assassination

[spice spire]

Oh no

[warped moon]

ok ty

[spice spire]

A lot of them are overlaps

[deep sorrel]

fair, mb in that case, post 10hr shift so words don't always come across through text as intended

[warped moon]

ohh ok

[spice spire]

Just find which one works best with you

[frigid copper]

oh LOL

[balmy condor]

Yeh all good

[warped moon]

ill try just the whispyr ones then ty (and ty whispyr)

[hoary apex]

Is the free stealth from NE racial a dps boost for sin or does it not matter too much?

[knotty radish]

Sex is great and all but have you ever farted out a stomach ache?

[deep sorrel]

jfc

[frigid copper]

Whisp - for sin fundamentals, which of your videos do you recommend starting out with? There's so many on your channel lol

[keen tree]

50% chance it’s going to be more than a fart

[iron carbon]

Not matter a lot

[spice spire]

Luxthos Devlin LE and Whispyr have a weak aura that’s good for cd + st tracking.
Whispyr and Cev both made good players for multi target

[iron carbon]

All wa / plater are banger

Just take your fav

[wind falcon]

@balmy condor is your plater profile supposed to flash bang you when you have the cursor over your target?

[balmy condor]

For like raw basics you can look at these https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEA6xZzXyHDTaaoXTsHXj9HdgvK34u-Vj&si=as-qhjarCt6f4i9J

But they’re VERY basic imo

[balmy condor]

I fixed that in the latest update

[deep sorrel]

why are they timed twice

[wind falcon]

oh lordy gimme

[deep sorrel]

seems like there is white number underneath then yellow above

[frigid copper]

this is where I'm starting then ig haha

[wind falcon]

some dumb bug with omni cc

[deep sorrel]

oh i c

[balmy condor]

There might be some out of date stuff

But they should work

And then from there the long-ass ones have everything for rn

[warped moon]

do you ever just want to be the very best, like no one ever was

[balmy condor]

But gonna make shorter ones when I have time

[iron carbon]

Btw Whispyr, did you check the Cev hack for spatter debuff on plater?

[vestal cliff]

Whispyr are you EU or NA?

[frigid copper]

gotcha. Lots of stuff to figure out what's what lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s not really a “hack” so much as it was basically the same thing I was doing but with the buffs left aligned

The problem was my buffs were center aligned, so hiding them causes the jitter

I updated it last night to left align and hide caustic/mark

We’ll see how that goes

I might want to bring the mark back

[iron carbon]

I mean, wasn't he using à mod to order it?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you still gotta hide it somehow

The order doesn’t matter

[iron carbon]

He need to order it last at least

Can you share the mods?

If possible, ofc. If not, I'll search by myself another day

[orchid cedar]

@balmy condor so are you going sub for this prog or are you giving Assa a try?

[spice spire]

Always

But then cuties like whispyr exist

[warped moon]

aww

[spice spire]

Don’t tempt him with the dark side

[sturdy stirrup]

[vestal cliff]

Is sub better for prog? And if yes why?

[balmy condor]

My auras were centered, so if I have gar/rup, one is left of center, one is right of center. If I add caustic, now it’s 3 auras, so left goes left, rup goes into center, caustic goes right. So everything shifted. And then you hide caustic, so now it’s back to 2, so everything shifts back.

That’s why I left-aligned it in the newest update, cause if you tack on another buff at the end, the others don’t shift, so you get the full illusion that they’re hidden without any of the jitter

[deep sorrel]

the vast majority say yes, more dmg faster

[balmy condor]

Can pull from the plater if you want

[balmy condor]

I’m na

[deep sorrel]

big burst up-front and cd's align for 1.5m

[balmy condor]

I don’t plan on playing sub at all

It’s not prepped

[iron carbon]

I'll do so, ty

[spice spire]

What about outlaw whispyr

Thoughts on outlaw

[balmy condor]

Unironically more prepped than sub

[spice spire]

I know

That’s why I asked

[vestal cliff]

I always thought assa is the best for prog because the dot dmg ticks when you are not on the boss xD

[iron carbon]

It's right when all sim are equal

[spice spire]

Uptime argument

[iron carbon]

But it's more complicated than that

[deep sorrel]

gotta also think about intermissions etc

[runic hinge]

Uptime on DN

[spice hawk]

Better than me. I'm one tricking Assassin to start lmfao.

[iron carbon]

If I put 500k dps for 30 sec then 0 for 30 sec, it's better than 300 k for 30 sec then 100k for 30 sec

[spice spire]

You don’t want to have darkest night uptime

That means you don’t have deathstalker marks

Hello?

[spice spire]

So is he

[runic hinge]

Don’t tell me how to play

I need my buff bar full

[spice hawk]

lol yeah yeah but I literally have prepped NOTHING outside of working on Sin gear XD

[spice spire]

Mf I’ve been telling you how to play for 2 years now

[spice hawk]

that being said...wait for logs...see what others are doing...and to quote Ross.....PIVOT

[spice spire]

The only living thing that owns you more than my dog ass is your gf and Stuart

Nice friends reference

[spice hawk]

ty!

[spice spire]

Showing my age there

[spice hawk]

90s kid here

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll buff ur bar if you sass me again

[spice hawk]

and by 90s kid I mean I was literally born in 1990 lmfao

[sturdy stirrup]

tell me how to play so blizzard can nerf sin and i can play outlaw ( i'll get 50 parse )

[spice spire]

Damn

I wish I could show you the amount of threads I’ve uh

Done here

[waxen oyster]

sin gear is the most flexible

[spice spire]

I’ve showed a lot of people how to play

[warped moon]

i am scared to do m+. what if i miss an interrupt

[spice spire]

Hands no worry tho

[iron carbon]

You die

[spice spire]

Gg and move on big dog. One mistake does not equal a wipe

[iron carbon]

And you get flamed

[warped moon]

well as long as its just me!

[spice spire]

Also it’s okay to mess up. You learn and move forward

[glass spade]

If we can garrote rupture, garrote rupture, and garrote rupture 3 times during IC is it a DPS gain to get the bleeds on 7 total targets or once we get it in 5 is it best to just start pumping ST

[spice spire]

And if people are mean? Fuck em.

[sturdy stirrup]

dont tell anyone but you can just blame healer and tank

and leave party

like a chad

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[iron carbon]

You spread as much that you can under IC

[glass spade]

My tank was pulling big last night and I was able to get the bleeds on 7 targets during the IC window so that’s what I was doing

[spice spire]

Big pulls also juice for IC because you can silence casters

[iron carbon]

Lore accurate

[glass spade]

I was typically staying in stealth and letting him pull big and then shadow stepping in and applying bleeds to 7 targets

[iron carbon]

"GG no interrupt" leave group

[sturdy stirrup]

dont forget to report them for their names

[spice spire]

I hate that it just doesn’t work in a few dungeons because of aoe casts

So you’re just kind of fucked out of IC windows

Like the big city of threads pull after first boss

[iron carbon]

Run and los?

[glass spade]

Yeah that’s been my biggest takeaway is how much it hurts when you lost your DSM and can’t reapply it without burning your only vanish

[spice spire]

Can’t get there before a cast gets off

Well

Depends on the tank

Because the toxic aoe is pretty close to beginning of the pull

[deep sorrel]

u tried fatebound? been getting better results with that in these hc dung

[haughty flicker]

fortunately it'll be a lot harder to lose it when things dont die to a single envenom

[spice spire]

If you have someone that can CC the first one

You’re gucci

[haughty flicker]

unless you get hit by it randomly disappearing that is

then its gg

[spice spire]

But it’s a heroic so

[iron carbon]

Didn't pay attention enough at this trashes to give others advices, soz

[spice spire]

[iron carbon]

Tricks and spread dot while running

[glass spade]

If darkest night finishes a target do we lose DSM?

[iron carbon]

They put a fix to avoid that

But I didn't test yet

[spice spire]

Tricks in this economy? Miss me w that

[plucky fable]

hello, someone can help me with a tricks of the trade macro D:?

[haughty flicker]

killing an enemy with a dn envenom still loses the mark

[quiet oar]

based

[iron carbon]

Download the add on auto misdirection

[glass spade]

So if something is super low and your DN envenom would finish it just hold onto it for next pull ?

[iron carbon]

It will create a macro that put tricks on tanks by default

[haughty flicker]

well if you can restealth it doesnt really matter if it gets munched anyway

[iron carbon]

So the fix didn't solve that

[haughty flicker]

and if you cant then you probably have something else nearby to envenom instead

[haughty flicker]

it mightve solved a similar issue idk, i havent been playing rogue enough recently to know all the bugs

thats just one that i know still exists

[spice spire]

I got one eaten last night

Don’t think it was fixed

[iron carbon]

They put delay between damages and buff consumption

So of you kill with your envenom, you keep DN buff

Or something like that

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats definitely not what happens in practice

at least not when i tested it right after patch

now im paranoid ive been spreading misinformation though

[spice spire]

It didn’t happen last night in the dungeon I ran

Lost stack

Will test tn

[iron carbon]

#assassination message

@normal mist explain yourself plz

[normal mist]

You read it correctly

for further info annoy whispyr

[iron carbon]

Thanks

[normal mist]

(im trying to find where i read it atm)

[haughty flicker]

im happy to be wrong then

maybe i just was dumb and tested it before the patch was applied or something

[iron carbon]

#assassination message

[cobalt bison]

on my quick sims using the ST build the bot is not using any FoK, guide says to use it tho, whom do I trust ? I tested both sim with & without lust

[haughty flicker]

wait not

[iron carbon]

whispyr's words

[haughty flicker]

it definitely just didnt work

[normal mist]

As you can see, i'm the king of being right

[haughty flicker]

so its not consistent

[normal mist]

do you play vicious venom?

[iron carbon]

Meh, I was not false

Cause I had the information from you

[normal mist]

And i had it from the Gods themselves

[cobalt bison]

yes

[normal mist]

that's why

[iron carbon]

That's how you call Whispyr?

[normal mist]

TLDR if you play VV, you never FoK

[cobalt bison]

ah okay mb

[normal mist]

to consume the buff

[cobalt bison]

Yes, I didnt uncheck it on wowhead. thanks

[normal mist]

No problem

[waxen oyster]

i should do the weeklies

only did theater one so far

[normal mist]

Whispyr, Armin, Eleem, the list goes on

[waxen oyster]

kind of sucks its hourly and cant do it on 2-3 characters like you could with feast in the same one

[haughty flicker]

it seems to save the mark the majority of the time

[iron carbon]

All the lovely people

[haughty flicker]

but ive had it twice now on random killing shit that it hasnt worked

maybe its just unlucky and a poison/bleed tick is killing at the same time or something

[iron carbon]

Maybe

[haughty flicker]

definitely better than it was for sure

[iron carbon]

0.2 sec delay is few and big in the same time

[haughty flicker]

oh i see the issue i think

if you have dn active and accidentally apply mark with ambush, then kill the mob with the dn envenom, you lose the mark and dn

which is like, an incredibly niche issue that would only come from misplaying in the first place anyway so

[iron carbon]

This class is so bugged

[frigid copper]

is there an easy way of incorporating the plater stuff into existing platers?

or is it just an all or nothing typically?

[iron carbon]

I think you can copy some parameters

Like mobs colors

Or buff tracking

[frigid copper]

what's the main thing, poison tracking?

[runic hinge]

Bleed tracking

[iron carbon]

Garrote, rupture, spatter and marks imo

I track CT on my WA I assume that if my main target got it, all others got it too

Spatters and marks are for coloring nameplate

[frigid copper]

I see... Trying to get bits and pieces in settings to figure out what is what lol

[iron carbon]

Gl hf

[wary valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[final maple]

any resources on which missives to use for crafts?

[raven panther]

sim yourself

[scenic nacelle]

[final maple]

like for the 590s?

⭕

[frigid copper]

holy shit there's so many buttons rotationally lol

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah there is

That’s what I’m here for

[frigid copper]

slowly binding everything rn lol

[runic hinge]

If you scroll up a couple hours there’s an unhinged convo about keybinds

[scarlet spade]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[iron valve]

https://tenor.com/bqYm0.gif

[frigid copper]

yeah, reading through that now and still there's so much haha

[fair stirrup]

which quest is that?

[runic hinge]

People are very varied but you can see some consistencies with what people have bound for easy access I think

[frigid copper]

I typically try and bind to builder/spender/upkeep/smallcd/majorcd but jesus it's so many haha

especially reading through the aoe rotation rn, and there's a lot of things going on

[cobalt sphinx]

it's more important to understand the general idea, which is spread bleeds then maximize spatter

[frigid copper]

oh god... stealth bar to do as well

[clever sapphire]

Stealth bar = normal bar but with ambush instead of mutilate

[frigid copper]

do we not keep ambush on normal bars for procs?

[clever sapphire]

Nah mutilate turns to ambush on proc

[frigid copper]

oh

[warped moon]

so to maximize spatter i am like, tab-mutilate-tab-mutilate?

[balmy condor]

spatter is limit 1

[devout mist]

Nonono

[clever sapphire]

Unless you are crazy like me and still use ambush on a seperate keybind from the days where it didnt auto turn

[warped moon]

oh i didnt realize it had a limit ok

[devout mist]

We are not playing bfa unholy here

[balmy condor]

yeh you're meant to pick a target and slam envenoms into it

[warped moon]

okie dokie

[spice spire]

What if I target you and call myself envenoms

[devout mist]

When to tea

[robust axle]

[frigid copper]

so for maintenance we have garrote/rupture/slice and dice... and in AoE also track crimson tempest/caustic splatter?

[clever sapphire]

Slice is cast once and forget it exists, rest yes

[frigid copper]

got it. snd cast and forget.

[spice spire]

Caustic also isn’t something you have to track so much

[warped moon]

snd lengthens with envenoms

[spice spire]

Snd yeah gabby beat me to it

[frigid copper]

so this will lengthen with normal rotation then?

[balmy condor]

call me snd and quake envenoms

[spice spire]

[warped moon]

i want to be the very best, like no one ever was

[devout mist]

U got a pikachu?

[clever sapphire]

Aye

[warped moon]

idk i have been playing retail rogue for approximately 5 hours :x

[spice spire]

You got this homie

[warped moon]

envenom makes it last longer!

usually im a healer 😅

[clever sapphire]

Envenom is your main finisher, unless you manage to not cast a single envenom for like 50 seconds you wont have to worry about slice

[balmy condor]

thank you for your service soldier

[devout mist]

How do u go from healer to rogue

Who lied to u

[spice spire]

Maybe they wanted to be a rogue

[devout mist]

Lies

[warped moon]

i like the stealth sound

[frigid copper]

I went from caster-only to trying to pick this up lol

[devout mist]

Rogues are born not made

[clever sapphire]

Wasnt there a guy here today that i insta blocked, but i still read him complaining about a healer? Maybe we found our healer

[frigid copper]

lol

[spice spire]

Maybe gabby was born to rogue but forced to heal

[warped moon]

haha

[spice spire]

I’m not one to judge

[devout mist]

Fair

[spice spire]

I healed too at one point

[balmy condor]

mandatory draft

[spice spire]

[devout mist]

I healed only once

[balmy condor]

you say you heal but bob died

[devout mist]

Mw shadowlands s2

[warped moon]

it was my first ever class back on release! i like healer too though. i got up to like +20s back in the early days of shadowlands

[spice spire]

Bob died because his drunk ass couldn’t jump to the right spot and he got stranded on a bridge

[warped moon]

i pugged the whole way 💀

[spice spire]

Dragon soul after I finished rogue

What a gamer

Pugging is heck

[devout mist]

[warped moon]

it was very bad for my psyche haha

[clever sapphire]

Pugging is the worst, yet i still only pug

[spice spire]

Yeah my mental boomed in sl too

But that was Covid compared to the game

[warped moon]

i would be like "hi i have soa++14 just looking for +15 to finish my achievement" and theyd be like "name not blue. name pink."

[spice spire]

Rough

Wasn’t hpal kinda insane until 9.2?

[clever sapphire]

My mental was close to booming when we had a 5% fyrakk wipe cause the bm hunter got hit by a frontal with a seed

[warped moon]

it is a long story

yes and no

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

imagine not being rsham in shadowlands

[spice spire]

You weren’t venthyr were you

[warped moon]

people only cared about rsham up until a streamer made a video

[spice spire]

Ah

[warped moon]

and then people only cared about my hpal lol

[spice spire]

14/15s were a wild range anyway

[devout mist]

Mdi had hpal

Hitting 20k dps

[spice spire]

Meta comps for easy hecking dungeons

[haughty flicker]

ye because ashen hallow was a very silly button

[devout mist]

With venth and pride

And ppl went insane

[warped moon]

yes i had a venthyr and a kyrian

[devout mist]

Even tho for the average pig resto sham was better

[spice spire]

Kyrian cranked too

[clever sapphire]

Are we gonna talk about aug release? People wanting an aug for +2s?

[warped moon]

and they were both fine tbh but mald and the fairy one were not too good

[tired gull]

even though passive, why is spatter soooo satisfying

[spice spire]

I abhor Aug

[spice spire]

Because you wanted blade flurry for so long

[devout mist]

Well our officers bullied 2 devs into augs

[tired gull]

if i wanted bf i would just play pirate

[devout mist]

So my +2 is covered

[spice spire]

Same

[devout mist]

Got the augs in house

[frigid copper]

I'm watching whispyr's intro basic video.... do we just send everything on cd? lol...

[warped moon]

anyway, rogue now =]

[spice spire]

In keys?

Absolutely

Welcome also

Hope u enjoy big dog

[tired gull]

just ran a roic with another sin rogue... he didn't have spatter

[violet jackal]

in raid also absolutely

[frigid copper]

shiv, echoing reprimand, vanish+deathmark, bone spike, etc

[devout mist]

Welcome to rogue, run

[clever sapphire]

Spatter overrated for heroics

[haughty flicker]

are there even that many specs that dont send cds on cd

[clever sapphire]

You dont even get to spatter in a good group

[haughty flicker]

unless holding for an amp phase or something obviously

[proud badge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warped moon]

💪🍤

[devout mist]

In heroic i dont even snd

[frigid copper]

yea, was about to ask - what's our large large cds as sin?

[clever sapphire]

Thats a shrimp

[worldly sail]

using shrimp as the other arm will always be funny

[devout mist]

Garrote , rupture, ct

[frigid copper]

kingsbane?

[devout mist]

Pack dead

[safe barn]

hows the raid looking for the specs in general, do we have this info?

[tired gull]

legendary

[clever sapphire]

Deathmark

[spice spire]

Dm vanish and kingsbane

[cerulean nest]

@balmy condor are talents for bosses similar to last tier in the sense that swapping caustic in and out for cleave/aoe is essentially the only change we'll be making

[spice spire]

Yes

[frigid copper]

never use poisoned knife right?

unless to tag something?

[spice spire]

Correct

There’s a very rare time to pk

I don’t even have it bound

[clever sapphire]

I use pk as a builder just to annoy people

[frigid copper]

what's off gcd for us?

[haughty flicker]

i use pk instead of mut

its like clawing shadows for unholy

[cinder quartz]

in heroic i dont even leave stealth

[spice spire]

Tea and cold blood

[haughty flicker]

ranged builder pog

[cerulean nest]

cloak, vanish, tea

[spice spire]

Hate u

[frigid copper]

do we send tea on cd as well? lol

[spice spire]

No

[frigid copper]

o ok

[spice spire]

Use as you need energy or at the end of kingsbane

[clever sapphire]

And then you get the trinket that only procs off of ranged attacks

Smart

[spice spire]

[rugged sphinx]

what is the 'patch' embellishment called on weapons? i don't see it on the list in game

or is it not a weapon embellishmentr

[clever sapphire]

(I like how everyone stopped typing because nobody has a clue about embellishments )

[frigid copper]

does blizzard even have a clue about their tuning

[rugged sphinx]

its just in the pinned message 😛

[robust axle]

Ascension

[haughty flicker]

ok but only nerds read the pins

[quiet bridge]

wowhead says bracer craft is bis, wouldnt a higher ilvl weapon be the obvious choice?

i read pin, still confused

[frigid copper]

you can get 593 ilvl weapon with upgrades//crafted is 590 iirc?

[quiet bridge]

crafting order guy shows 593-636

[robust axle]

2x Dawnthread is BiS IF they fix/nerf the Ascension thing going on right now. If they nerf Ascension, you can sill craft a dagger with one of your 2 sparks, should you get unlucky with m0 drops

[quiet bridge]

dont raid till wednesday so i can wait abit thankfuly

[clever perch]

hmm what crafts do we use? effect/set crafts i mean

does any1 know?

[iron valve]

scroll up about 2 messages

[clever perch]

but this is for st/raid?

[robust axle]

You should probably hold your sparks until after HC tuning regardless

[clever perch]

or m+

[robust axle]

Raid for sure, but probably both tbh

[clever perch]

dawnthread is which items?

was going to craft right now

[robust axle]

Whichever armor pieces you feel like

Dont craft now

[clever perch]

crafting with lfr shit crests

[robust axle]

I mean in that case I'd craft the dagger+patch any day

If you wanna craft right now

[clever perch]

i wanna craft right now with lfr crests

im kinda crafting all gear except the 584 gear u get from rep

but i dont think u can use dawnthread on those gear

[dim brook]

Hello !
i'm looking for some weak aura, do s1 got a clean pack? mine currently look like this but i'm missing a lot of the new stuff (got them since like bfa)

[velvet vault]

which trinkets are the best ones right now ?

is shadowed essence trinket better right now ?

[heavy sentinel]

so my mplus kings I dont like pressing KB or DM in trash packs cause i like to have them up for bosses but i feel like this may be an overall loss. Should i just send it whenever i can deo the caustic dmg or is it good to hold for bosses?

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[haughty flicker]

all of these are good to either use or take inspiration from

[dim brook]

thanks m8, gonna try them

[robust axle]

I mean right now it really doesnt matter, but you defo wanna send CD's on trash when shit starts to live

[heavy sentinel]

yea right now they die to fast to even care about KB

but im always hesitant to push it for trash

[robust axle]

If you get a full KB off you press it on trash 🙂

[haughty flicker]

i mean unless you have an actual route planned out in m+ you're probably just pressing kb on cd on the biggest dude

a bad kb is better than no kb at all

[spice spire]

[strange python]

what's an alternative to authority of the depths enchant?

[raw tusk]

radiant power i think

[strange python]

thx

is authority of the depths not out yet?

[robust axle]

Correct

[strange python]

so are you guys using radiant power?

[robust axle]

Aint using anythinh until I get relevant daggers

But it would be Radiant Power, yes

[warped moon]

hey what are my stat weights for assassination?i guess i want mastery and haste?

[robust axle]

You have to sim your character to get the answer to that question my man

[warped moon]

seems like mastery is pretty good

[robust axle]

Generally its Crit > Mastery > Haste

[warped moon]

ah ok

[dense lodge]

Thats counting for everything being BIS, you dont have BIS so it doesnt apply to you.

[shy pecan]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warped moon]

ty!

[real pike]

@balmy condor are you planning on doing a section on the guide for the raid with all the individual bosses like you did for the dragonflight ones?

those were uber helpful

[balmy condor]

That’s due tomorrow

(I haven’t started)

[real pike]

sounds like me with all my work assignments

[dire bane]

Anyone know why when i sim my deathmark dot do so much damage but when i actually go on the dummy it does nothing?

[nimble tartan]

i need it bro idk what bosses do ❤️

[real pike]

send log

[hasty vine]

deathmark on sims includes all of the subsequent doubled bleeds/poisons in its damage

[spice surge]

In sim it includes all of the damage from the doubled bleeds and poisons

Whereas in logs and details its labelled differently

[dire bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/geNWwbQ9tGrJbh5LxAZP8N

[real pike]

oh I thought you meant literally nothing :>

yeah what the others said

[dire bane]

oh okay thank you everyone

[neon drift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tired gull]

nice name

[dire bane]

yes on ym actual detail ingame it does like 1.3%

on a 4min fight

[hasty vine]

yea then details just adds both ruptures together instead of having one of them under deathmark

[dire bane]

i only see one

[spice surge]

If you press the arrow on deathmark on the sim youll see all the components of it

[hasty vine]

with the arrow dropdown?

[dire bane]

oh okay ty didnt know this function

[hasty vine]

ye :3

[dire bane]

thank you alL!

[real pike]

gawd I'm so HYPED to raid

I cannot fucking wait to discover all the new stupid ass ways there are for me to die

[dire bane]

are they gonna fix the kyrian animacharged bug for the mark or its intentional

[fervent rune]

What embellishments look the best for us? The guide says dawnthread but some are saying dagger

did it get buffed?

[tender bay]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[fair coyote]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Check pins

or read this

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[normal mist]

Hopefuly

[slow hatch]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[real pike]

for aoe build what dmaage node are people going for when not running iron wire? imp poisons, fatal concoction both look reasonable, don't think 1 in VV would work

[spice spire]

Iron wire is extremely valuable I don’t recommend dropping it

[normal mist]

^

[spice spire]

But

[real pike]

even for blasting through hcs?

[spice spire]

Idk outside of that because I’d never drop IW

I’m not making a different load out for heroics

Gonna keep it a buck

I just have m+ fate m+ deathstalker and call it a day on aoe content

[cursive cloak]

Just picked up rogue again and went to wowhead to check rotation.. is it really as confusing as it looks or do I have full smooth melee brain?

[real pike]

I don't see changing one node as making a new loudout haha but agree it'll be minimal

[real pike]

get the kingsbane window down and you're 80% there

[cursive cloak]

I just checked the m+ opener and almost had an aneurisym

[spice spire]

Column a column b

Open with spreading bleeds

Setup

And then maintain CT, envenom to dump and keep caustic going

[old badger]

What is the best embellishment to put on a weapon for assassination rogue ?

[cursive cloak]

Ahh okay, makes sense, ty

[balmy condor]

who just pinged me

show yourself scoundrel

[real pike]

once you understand what all the different buttons are doing it starts to make a lot more sense

[balmy condor]

HAVE AT THEE

[violet berry]

So what’s the move for raid. Assas or outlaw?

[real pike]

hear me out. whatever you enjoy more

[cursive cloak]

I mained rogue for 6 years and then went to DK, so I am running on full DK brain which let's be honest, 3 buttons at best

[spice spire]

Rough

[severe sparrow]

i love how every time i open this discord that question is on the screen

[spice spire]

They were asking about the set

[acoustic sky]

It was me, i posted my message while it was not finished, sorry for that

[balmy condor]

I must swash thine buckle

[acoustic sky]

Is it true that the 4p bonus of the assa set only represents an improvement of about 2%?

[balmy condor]

yes

[acoustic sky]

[open rapids]

I have a law rogue in my guild talking about how OL is amazing in ST and will be a top spec in raid. How is sin looking against OL in ST on the sims? I know it's way early but just curious.

[real pike]

are we gonna have 2pc bis again

wait am I getting confused with wrath classic I think I am

ignore the idiot

[acoustic sky]

I mean... This has to be the worst set % wise ever, right ?

[violet berry]

Ew that’s no fun

[somber sparrow]

well i'm a little biased 😄

[shy pecan]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[past forum]

i'd say all 3 rogue specs are solidly in the top 36 of specs for raid

[spice spire]

Damn

[balmy condor]

it's similar to the vault set

[warped moon]

doing m+ with you but im rp walking and speaking only in early modern pirate savvy because im outlaw spec

[spice spire]

Death.

[shy pecan]

Life.

[severe sparrow]

i cant even remember back far enough to vault other than cursed box opener

[spice spire]

Dog

That was like 21 months ago

[somber sparrow]

history repeats itself

[severe sparrow]

that's like 2 years

[spice spire]

Yeah I was happy then

Times change

But we remember everything

[severe sparrow]

im old now and just cant remember anything idk

[spice spire]

Fair enough

Explains the spec choice

[normal mist]

No idea if someone answered you yet but read the pins

[somber sparrow]

in draenor I was capable of assassination and subtlety. Now when I try sub I feel like I don't know what to do. And outlaw even moreso since they reworked us out of combat. Maybe i'm just old and can't learn new things

glad i like assassination though

[spice spire]

Me too friend

[vocal cradle]

with the crafting thing even if the embelishments get tuned the bracers and boots will still remain the best slots to use them right? or how wrong am i?

[past forum]

hell yeah

[severe sparrow]

i learned sub enough to be ok at it for parts of sl and then apparently dumped all the knowledge i had in the trash cuz that's how i am at it now

tried for smoldy

cried for smoldy

[warped moon]

im really enjoying assassination. i havent felt this busy since elementalist

[keen viper]

Is it worth to upgrade more than 580 ?

[real pike]

in the opener, if the first ER doesn't land us on the charged point, do we muti to 5+ before the envenom still?

[spice spire]

Or to a charged point yeah

[real pike]

sweet ty

god landing on 6 CP and having to muti again when you have darkest night up feels horrible

[spice spire]

It sure does

[devout mist]

There is a solution

[dapper cradle]

when your 6th cp is anima charged and you have to mut again

[devout mist]

Embrace the coin

[real pike]

oh wait so we prioritise DN over ER point?

so priority is DN > ER > DsM proc

[dapper cradle]

that's how I've been playing

[real pike]

I've been like sending envenom when I land on the ER point when I have DN up

[dapper cradle]

could be wrong though

[real pike]

I feel like it doesn't matter?

[spice spire]

When dn is live

You prioritize it

[cerulean nest]

I added 4 pieces of normal tier (603) to my sim and it went up by only 14k. is that real? lol

[real pike]

with ER points not proccing DsN

[spice spire]

To get marks back asap

[spice spire]

4 piece is 2%

[dapper cradle]

ya cuz marks can be consumed at any cp?

[real pike]

ohhhh no it does make a diff

[spice spire]

Any above 5 iirc

[balmy condor]

good thing your 6cp cp is never animacharged :)

[spice spire]

And er counts

[cerulean nest]

ah does gear compare not recognize set bonuses?

[spice spire]

It should

[real pike]

I was thinking it would be 2 envenoms before you proc the DsM but you could skip the ER point and do it the next time

[cerulean nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rwgpMuJfVvVdmMuidcfZrC

[brave stump]

should i avoid the 5th charge in kingsbane?

5th cp

[balmy condor]

what

[brave stump]

in opener

like

i go into my cool rotation and try to avoid the only anima charged cp that counts towards deathstalker

idk if the dmg gets accounted properly

[dapper cradle]

do still FoK in ST after consuming DN and reapplying marks?

[balmy condor]

this looks pretty normal btw

[brave stump]

since its a buggy mess apparently

[dapper cradle]

does that loop start again?

[balmy condor]

I don't see anything wrong

[real pike]

anima charged cps don't count towards deathstalker unless it's mambo no 5

[cerulean nest]

damn

[balmy condor]

no, why tf would you do that

use the thing you're talented into

[cerulean nest]

lackluster bump up there

[balmy condor]

you talented into ER

use the ER cp

it's a good cp

[real pike]

oh shit is it only 2-4 that can be charged

[balmy condor]

3-4-5

[celest helm]

you can priotize DN 🙂

[warped moon]

deez nights

[spice spire]

Babe?

[spice spire]

[brave stump]

only the 5th one

[balmy condor]

no

they're all worth

use the damn talent

[brave stump]

BUT

MAH DEATHSTALKER

[balmy condor]

brain issue

[cerulean nest]

so getting the ansurek ring on normal is almost 10k more of a boost than getting 4set lol

[brave stump]

do i fok it up

[cerulean nest]

thats wild

[brave stump]

in cd?

for ctw

[wintry pagoda]

whispyr, ive watched ur a-z vid like 2 days ago but i didnt catch if u mentioned that indis carnage is smart on its own or if its able to double tag targets?

[balmy condor]

tier is 2ish%, the ring is 1%

[spice spire]

Yes if you don’t have VV

[real pike]

without vicious venoms yes, with you do not fok about at all

[balmy condor]

carnage is smart

[spice spire]

Supposed to be smart

Fuck

[brave stump]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

brother what

[wintry pagoda]

ok good for my small brain, thanks pals

[spice spire]

Amen brother

[brave stump]

why sim say 46% ctw

when no fok

[real pike]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rTwFfGiabxCGTc65i2VsCV is there a glaringly obvious reason I'm simming way below most others I see or is it just pure ilvl slackiness?

[balmy condor]

cause the buff drops off you ape

[brave stump]

OH

[lone parrot]

hello is deathstalker or fatebound the best at the moment?

[brave stump]

[haughty flicker]

[brave stump]

ok i will have a proper talk about the spec when its not past 12 pm

lmao

okok one final

which has more priority

[celest helm]

iu noitced this too

[brave stump]

anima charged finisher or blasting trough cps asap for darkest night

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[real pike]

darkest night is prio over ER points

[spice spire]

Darkest night when you don’t have marks

[real pike]

but ER points are prio over 5+ when the mark is active

[spice spire]

Weird overlaps if you’re not tracking where you can have marks + dn

And if final consumed mark is a max cp envenom; you lose all marks 🙂

[balmy condor]

no on use is a massive L

[spice spire]

And dn 🙂

[balmy condor]

[real pike]

what you simming badly or me 😄

[spice spire]

Man also missing the egg

Unfort

[brave stump]

ye im speaking pure st

[balmy condor]

egg is whatever

he has a buzzer

[brave stump]

shouldnt happen there

[spice spire]

Love buzzers

[brave stump]

right?

[real pike]

goodness

the buzzer is fucking hilarious

[haughty lantern]

fabbawhatnow??

[brave stump]

i use buzzer on dk as movement spell

[real pike]

you heard

[brave stump]

[haughty lantern]

about the bird?

[tawny junco]

Do you have any way to farm Valorstones fast?

[real pike]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-birdistheword-theword-petergriffon-peter-gif-5972786

[haughty lantern]

imo, wax

[remote vector]

Hi guys, i think i am doing something wrong in my rotation and wanna figure out why before the raid is released. Is there any way to log a dummy fight and analyze it?

[haughty lantern]

go hunt down the wax piles

get anywhere from like 3-10 stones per "chest" (usually on the lower end). Each wax is worth 2 (turn in 5 at a time for 10 stones)

[real pike]

download warcraft logs client, enable advanced combat logging in settings, /combatlog, hit dummy, /combatlog, upload, send link

[tawny junco]

Sounds tedious

[real pike]

I saw someone saying about follower dungeons being super fast

[haughty lantern]

you wanted fast

[real pike]

something about the first boss in one of the dungeons

[balmy condor]

also you got no enchants or anything, aapaa up there is at 810 with like 10 ilvl on you, some ring enchants and a leg/chest/weapon enchant

it adds up

[ripe carbon]

stonevault

but i dunno i tried it and its boring

[real pike]

ok cool yeah just checking the difference tracks and I haven't missed anything major

tyty

[orchid cedar]

mmm i'm simming a lot better with Assa than with Sub

in ST

i guess stats matter

[haughty flicker]

[distant beacon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[real pike]

just seen something, you don't think my crit being way above the other 3 secondaries is a big deal?

[fathom cove]

oh damn whispyrs plater profile looks a lot like what I have set up

if only I had known about it sooner

[balmy condor]

I mean it's probably not ideal but I wouldn't really worry about it

[wintry pagoda]

too early to stress about stats

jsut equip highest ilvl and run withit

[real pike]

bosh

thanks guys

[wintry pagoda]

only thing to actually look out for is not to equip int daggers

(i 100% did not do that)

[balmy condor]

that's a classic

[spice spire]

It’s okay @ember mural equipped a strength sword and I clowned him hard for it

And I love that mf

[real pike]

but what about that sweet sweet weapon skill training

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Gonna preemptively say “stealthi shut ur handsome ass up” but he stopped typing

[fathom cove]

there's no UI channel or something like it here on this server huh?

[earnest remnant]

only thing clownable is your lack of spine for actually quitting the game and not instantly do a 180

[daring cave]

Hello everyone, coming back after the weekly reset. Just a quick question but im assuming Sin is still doing good/ looking good for M+ when they come out?.

[spice spire]

10 months is instant u right

Get ur weeb ass back to lost ark

[spice spire]

Yes looks very good

[earnest remnant]

you just jaelous lost ark has my ass and you dont

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

You right

And?

[daring cave]

Lol thanks boss,

[spice spire]

Any time big dog

[wintry pagoda]

[spice spire]

Nah tiger stole it from me sorry king

Emote hits tho

[cloud fox]

for the ST sequence, do we vanish to reapply garrote while the garrote from the opener is still ticking? I assume we want it to be within the deathmark window, but is it fine to overwrite it or do I need to wait for the last few seconds?

[spiral warren]

guys whats the AOE as assa?

[normal mist]

at around 6sec remaining on the first garrote yeah

[normal mist]

Whats what

[spiral warren]

like what spells for aoe, in df used to spam shurikens and powder

sub

[normal mist]

Oh

Fan of knives, Crimson tempest

those are the AoE ones

[spiral warren]

tried but energy drains fast

[normal mist]

But we do a lot of SPREAD damage

[wide oasis]

do we use fatebound until they fix echoing + deathstalker or use deathstalker + Cold Blood instead?

[wintry pagoda]

dont spam ct tho right

[normal mist]

I'll guarantee you its better if you just lose 15 mins of your time and read Wowhead/icyveins guide for assassination

most of these questions will be answered there

[wintry pagoda]

upkeep c tempest, caustic outside of that id assume

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[spiral warren]

ight

[normal mist]

Exactly, CT does not have instant damage anymore

[wide oasis]

thanks

[normal mist]

^ image from wowhead rotation page

Everything is explained there

[celest helm]

is there any reason to hold onto upgrading now? I heard someone say theres no reason to upgrade gear currently wasnt sure

[fair coyote]

another stupid vanish question from me: on the second vanish when we are supposed to do it before cooldowns do we clip garrote or delay cooldown to hit the pandemic window?

[normal mist]

You can upgrade gear up to 580 because that does not use crests

[wintry pagoda]

youll get new gear on m0 week so prolly not worth to spend crests yet, yes

[normal mist]

theres no point in upgrading heroic dungeon items above 580 because in m0 dungeons you'll drop way above that and this way you save valorstone for when they actually matter.

~~so the upgrades you did on items you're now replacing for higher level that will now need those same crests, are lost ~~ I was wrong and this is false

[wicked lynx]

[spice spire]

He’s right

No need to monka him

[normal mist]

On the second vanish we just wait for its CD, once we've vanish, we envenom - Vanish - garrote - DM - shiv and proceede as normal

[grand trail]

m0 drop 593 and from 593 u r using better version of crest

[worldly sail]

you probably wont be using weathered crests for anything

[fair coyote]

thanks

[grand trail]

so the current weather crest are useless

[worldly sail]

🤝 giga ping replies at the same time to overwhelm royal

[normal mist]

Damn i had the wrong idea this whole time then, because i didnt really care to upgrade heroic items and instead crafted like 7/8 items 590 with those crests, im a bit dumb hehe

[grand trail]

crafting is cheaper than actually upgrading

[fair coyote]

my guild raids on thursday so personally i will use wheatered cresets on whatever i dont hit with m0/delves

[dark token]

i even crafted the slots i had 584 renown gear in to get better stats

[forest whale]

I second this, but no because there’s no point in upgrading them because they will be replaced, because you can craft enchanted Weathered Crests and save 15 per 590 crafted item. That’s what I did. You don’t “Lose” them either because 1. They’re useless in a week, and 2. You get to upgrade gear to 590 without crests once it’s crafted.

[grand trail]

i run out of the crest

so i cant

stuck at 588,5

[normal mist]

Hero it seems i was wrong with the explanation i gave you, had this idea since launch and failed to actually re check. you can upgrade heroic items further than 580 at the expense of valorstones and small crests, but its probably just better to craft a 590

[celest helm]

yeah i wont be crafting anything for a bit, waiting to see how embellish and itemization goes, just deciding if i vibe at like 570 till m0 or spend the time to upgrade

[normal mist]

You can craft without spark

those are pretty free if you have a guild with crafters

[celest helm]

ah that makes sense

[normal mist]

Its always good to help other understand when they are incorrect (and saying bullshit) so i appreciate it my boys

[grand trail]

they are usually free even in trade chat

[normal mist]

example

all 590

[celest helm]

what resources does that cost to craft

[normal mist]

and normal crafting materials

[celest helm]

thank you!

[forest whale]

U da goat 🐐

[normal mist]

[desert cove]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[magic dust]

Are assa sims accurate atm? Im performing quite noticably worse then my target dummy sims. Never had that big of a gap tbh

[zenith prairie]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[desert cove]

are you basing this off of your sims or off of spreadsheet sims

[magic dust]

my own sims

[spice surge]

Sims are fine

[west willow]

this content lull is a fucking snooze

[magic dust]

I guess its just me then huh

[west willow]

are you talking about aoe or st

[magic dust]

st

[west willow]

whats your sim say and what are you at

[magic dust]

sims at 410k im at 365k

[west willow]

are you m+ spec or raid spec

[magic dust]

raid spec

talents and everything should be fine

[west willow]

lemme go hit the rotation on a dummy and see how it compares to my sim

[magic dust]

ty my guy

[celest helm]

To tack onto his sim question, is Outlaw simming right? Seeing alot of sims that is putting it at the top DPS for rogues, but all i see is outlaw rogues crying, and the RWF rogues are playing sub/sin

[normal mist]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[normal mist]

Outlaw doing fine in a target dummy environment seems normal in sims

that does not translate to a boss fight

[celest helm]

Yeah im not new to the game or rogue in general, I asked a specific question not what is the best lol. Asking about simulations if they are accurate, Outlaw is simming noticeably higher than I remembered it being lately

[west willow]

i sim at 750k and its pretty much 720-800 on a dummy for 2 cd rotations

thats without buffs too

[normal mist]

Did you read the command?

or just assumed i thought you were a new player or something

[celest helm]

I read it lol

[normal mist]

"While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline."

[quaint spindle]

Wow thistle tea is now gonna auto proc below 50 energy I feel like that’s awful

[magic dust]

Allright ty

[normal mist]

wat

[warped moon]

is it really

[normal mist]

What do you mean?

[quaint spindle]

Yeah check patch notes

[merry shell]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-major-class-changes-and-more-346469?utm_source=discord-webhook

[warped moon]

thats how i drink my coffee irl

[quaint spindle]

^this

[fathom cove]

can the everforged stabber be crafted yet?

[normal mist]

thanks

[clever perch]

Do you guys think Assa will be better than subt on raid?

[flint tusk]

The tea chance is a bit weird.
But i sort of get it. They’re trying to make the talent less min max.
Not sure if that’ll work though.

[strange python]

'

[warped moon]

ilike the cut change

[faint vessel]

you mean min/max how much we pay attention to energy now

[normal mist]

@balmy condor time to cook

[faint vessel]

I guess

[normal mist]

"Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend."

[warped moon]

the cut change is good

[muted ridge]

Tea change is interesting

[warped moon]

shadowstep is like weird

[flint tusk]

There was some very niche times you’d use for the mastery buff and others energy so they’re forcing what it’ll be

[warped moon]

i think they are trying to hurt my small yellow brain 😦

[rain oyster]

im gonna cum

[desert vault]

Yeah, removing it, but not really for step

[warped moon]

Shadowstep has been removed. Shadowstep is still automatically granted for Assassination and Subtlety.

[rain oyster]

pog changes

[faint vessel]

I think for sin shadowstep is affectively unchanged, and now outlaw has 2 grappling hooks instead of hook + step

[warped moon]

[flint tusk]

Yeh am i reading it right we’ll have 3 step charges?

It’s a bit confusing

[warped moon]

removed. granted

[rain oyster]

flag + ER icon update best part

[warped moon]

😵‍💫

[rain oyster]

finna blow

[balmy condor]

mama mia

okay typing time

[worldly sail]

when is this patch even coming. like november?

[normal mist]

Now we just need to fix ER + Deathstalker

[quaint spindle]

Live shiny whispyr reaction

[desert vault]

Jeez Outlaw with blade flurry, sounds a little nuts on the surface

[warped moon]

twist the knife seems cooler

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bills-ugh-gif-9811803164280522639

[whole sand]

these notes are for like oct right

[normal mist]

"was talented." they did a typo

[warped moon]

Twist The Knife now enables Envenom’s beneficial effect to overlap up to 2 times. Envenom Tooltip updated to contextually reflect the overlapping behavior when Twist the Knife is known.

[whole sand]

or nov, whenever its coming out

[warped moon]

overlap = stack?

[quaint spindle]

Sounds it to me

[flint tusk]

Yup

[warped moon]

or is it like

a buff duration thing

ok neat

[flint tusk]

So going to want to be juggling double envenom stacks at some point o.o

[warped moon]

sips thistle tea

[flint tusk]

Might actually have to watch amp poison stacks 😂

[normal mist]

We already do that passively, but now we gonna have stacks

[cerulean nest]

removing tea keybind LFG

[cinder bone]

NO MORE CASTING SLICE AND DICE

[warped moon]

pretty neat!

[cinder bone]

XPAC SAVED

[quaint spindle]

Yeah that’s major pog

Never thought I’d see the day

[warped moon]

slice and deez

[flint tusk]

Nice increase to opening tempo removing that gcd

[quaint spindle]

Gonna go buy a lotto ticket

[cinder bone]

The thistle tea change is nice too

Really smooths the opening rotation out

[warped moon]

now just give me renatakis charm of trickery 🙂

[novel star]

what

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor pretending you didnt know good job

[quaint spindle]

Time to remove thistle tea from my bar ig

[dapper cradle]

Lmao is this real

[quaint spindle]

Assuming it’ll be passive now

[flint tusk]

2 free buttons next patch

[novel star]

yes

[quaint spindle]

What if it had unlimited charges 🙂

[novel star]

20th anniversay ptr notes

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-991789866523373942

[proud pelican]

i dont like the thistle tea change but slice is pog

[novel star]

why would they do that

passive slice and dice rules but what man

[warped moon]

The currency transfer pane now has a button that allows you to quickly input the maximum amount of currency from a given character. unrelated to rug but yay

[dense lodge]

Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend.

They finally listened to us and got rid of the snd press?

[quaint spindle]

Yes

[normal mist]

seems like it

[dense lodge]

Thank fk for that

[novel star]

yeah

[pliant terrace]

that thistle tea change is so fucking stupid who even asked for that shit

[novel star]

that change rules but i'm really not happy with thistle tea

[restive falcon]

[quaint spindle]

Ditto

[flint tusk]

I think we should start gambling how many paragraphs we’re going to get from whispyr

[novel star]

genuinely a change you can only make if you dont know how the rotation works

[warped moon]

thistle tea emoji pls

we will never forget u, hot green friend 🥹

[orchid cedar]

did they buff every class? lol

[warped moon]

🍵

[quaint spindle]

Imma start using my thistle tea in my bag from legion☕️

[flint tusk]

That’s some gold right there

Should frame it

[maiden sierra]

HOLY THEY COOKED

[uneven plume]

wait so are they replacing the tea talent with something?

[covert jewel]

thats for 11.0.5?

[uneven plume]

or its just useless at this point

[quaint spindle]

Probably just making it passive

[uneven plume]

and we can talent into something else

[novel star]

i think its still an active but they also auto consume a charge at low energy

[upper dock]

it doesn't say tea is now passive. it means you can treat it as if it was passive if you don't want to keybind it.

[uneven plume]

i dont want it to be passive

[maiden sierra]

sooo never need to press slice and dice ever again

[uneven plume]

it can screw up your Kingsbane

[novel star]

this sucks though because thats not how the spell works

[quaint spindle]

Gotcha

[warped moon]

outlaw got some improvements

[clever perch]

it says it will automatically trigger if u're under 50 energy

[wet meteor]

Don’t get under 50 energy then……. /s

[quaint spindle]

What’s outlaw

[bleak sun]

Thistle Tea now automatically triggers when energy is reduced below 50. mehhhhhhhhhh

[gilded oasis]

the hell is this tea change

[upper dock]

sure but it doesn't say you can't also trigger it yourself

[gilded oasis]

I like my oolong when I like it

[golden roost]

Whispyr has to redo the guide videos now

[flint tusk]

Its next patch

So november

[pliant terrace]

the cut to the chase change is really nice but the thistle tea change is actually so idiotic

[novel star]

blizz forgot their own !design

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

[warped moon]

did u see the paladin notes? its like they added a new class

its like 20 lines of new talent

these notes are wild

[uneven plume]

trhey gave sub two symbol of death charges O.O

holy shit

[dense lodge]

They took out dust though

thats an overall nerf

[novel star]

inevitability change(bugfix) presumably meaning you dont need unmacrod envenom anymore is fucking tight tho

deathstalker loses again

[spare viper]

Does indiscriminate carnage work with shadowmeld?

[uneven plume]

no

[spare viper]

okay nice

since im not night elf :d

[orchid cedar]

looks like Sub boys aren't happy

[severe sparrow]

does anything actually even work with meld other than cheesing bosses?

[normal mist]

you'd need to shadowmeld - stealth

[placid adder]

?

[orchid cedar]

they removed shadowdust damn

[warped moon]

[winged widget]

Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend.
one less button

feelsnice