assassination

[desert cove]

should be about 2 hrs worth of work

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[raven egret]

Wait why do you need to be 590 again?

[desert cove]

his guild wants him to be

[lime crypt]

so i can raid with my guild :-)

[real pike]

?

I'm asking how much gold the mats cost people

[pliant remnant]

It kicks him out automatically if he's below 590

[raven egret]

Why is your guild being ridiculous?

[lime crypt]

they invited like 36 people

so i have to work for my spot

[ornate dawn]

Leather gear is Spelunker’s and jewellery is malleable band / pendant

[lime crypt]

idk why

i said to myself the same thing

[wide ferry]

They should have two groups at that point

[violet talon]

590 req week 1 seems sweaty af lol

[hardy venture]

Word. Thank you! I just need to hunt for those new Matrix's I guess,. Thank you again

[hardy venture]

[raven egret]

Getting above 590 won't be too hard at all mind you, but by Wednesday with people working and whatnot, your leaders could use a chill pill

[real pike]

bro's got Todd Bohely as his GM

[desert cove]

mats are expensive b/c you need R3 mats

[ornate dawn]

Check the names on here https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/Kallidus or search in the crafting bit, just need the enchanted weathered crests and some rank 3 mats, and a rank 2 missive

[hardy venture]

Legend. Thank you ❤️

[real pike]

talking like 20k+ per craft?

think that's what it was when I checked last week

[ornate dawn]

Daggers are ironclaw dirk @hardy venture

[desert cove]

easily higher when we're talking max ilvl stuff

[real pike]

yeah looking at 590s

[hardy venture]

yee. Looks like you crafted most of your shit. Is that the only way to get everything 590+? I am out of crests.

[raven egret]

To 590, no +. Rest is adventurer gear or veteran pieces to 593 at least. Don't waste carved crests on those to bring them higher, however

[acoustic roost]

Lots of people, on my server at least can do r5 590 with r2 mats and r2 missive. Usually if you need a embelly though you might need r3

[kind gorge]

i noticed that Ravenous Honey Buzzer does really nice damage on m+ do you guys use it ?

[distant halo]

Been a while since I’ve played melee. Wouldn’t upgrading weapon first with crest over wrist/belt/ring give us more damage from the weapon dps?

[hardy venture]

It's bugged atm, but currently abusing

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant halo]

Or how does that work

[grim jay]

im still not sure if you can even really "waste" carved crests

they seem pretty dead to me

you dont save any by dropping a m0 piece

[kind gorge]

Do you suggest any other passive trinket to combine with that ?

[grim jay]

instead of upgrading the adv gear

[raven egret]

Just how weathered were only useful pre-season, carved will be useful for the heroic raid week only.

Gets champion pieces to 4/8, early crafts, etc.

[hardy venture]

I use the Priory on-use. and once Bee gets nerfed the one from Threads. The Egg one from the first boss

[haughty lantern]

sim question

Was simming myself last night for gear pieces with double DTL (Dawnthread lining) with all the different stat combos. Bracers with crit haste, haste/mast, crit/mast, with belt with crit/haste, haste/mast, crit/mast, etc etc

and they all simmed within 0.2% of each other

but also when I checked the tool tip for DTL it said it only granted 60 crit (which i know isn't right, pretty sure gold gives like 756 crit)

so is the "error" in the sim the fact that DTL isn't like....statted properly or is there something else i'm not seeing?

[void mesa]

Dont think there's any crafts related to carved tho, but yes to the rest

[raven egret]

We have em might as well use em while we can

[raven egret]

Yeah true enough actually

[haughty lantern]

also hi guys i'm back :3

[grim jay]

yeah but champ pieces on 4/8 or also basically upgraded veteran pieces

so

[raven egret]

So this pieces will at least give you the option for further upgrades if you really are luck starved. Look point is; we have em, might as well use em as best we can

[haughty lantern]

oh we talking about trinkets?

[raven egret]

Not saying it'll matter after next week's over

[hardy venture]

These

[empty viper]

i run the same

[raven egret]

Deliciously replaceable trinkets

[haughty lantern]

if i may give my 2 cents on trinkets, from my research from yesterday, APPARENTLY broodsac and skardyn's will be "best" for us

they were the only 2 m+ trinkets that were simming above 0.5%. Even deadeye spyglass did not sim well

[hardy venture]

Yupppp lol

[haughty lantern]

you can even scroll back to this time yesterday, i shared all the sim results here

[empty viper]

i cant wait to replace the egg since it looks stupid to have it on my back

[haughty flicker]

replacing it with a higher ilvl one ye gg

[haughty lantern]

i do agree, the animation is one of the things i don't like about it

[ornate dawn]

I think we’ve know for a while now Skardyns is going to be extremely strong we just can’t get it right now

[fallen ginkgo]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[tired gull]

if you want a cool animation, get the mine cart trinket 😎

[haughty lantern]

that one ALWAYS makes me laugh

i want a mod specifically for that trinket that makes it play like an old timey car horn as it careens in from off screen

[tired gull]

it's my favorite in dungeons where others haven't seen it yet

[hardy venture]

I love the Bee one lol. ZOOP across the screen on a fucking bee. Amazing

[haughty lantern]

BUZZ BUZZ MFER

[desert cove]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raven egret]

tbh Skardyn's the only one I care about, its the nature of our spec as it is now to seek such a trinket. Second one I'll worry about after XD

[haughty lantern]

not to mention, batol has a LOT of good shit for us

[raven egret]

But remember, because its on a damn fist weapon we will NEVER be able to give the Queen to our Kingsbane

thats the real tragedy

[haughty lantern]

😠

BUT i look forward to getting it to play with in combat spec (I eventually want to go back to combat for world content and maybe specific M+s)

[empty viper]

you dont need outlaw , we have caustic splatter

[haughty lantern]

i was originally outlaw (I am a sucker for the Thunderfury artifact appearance) but Assassin just hits too hard rn....

[tired gull]

i'm a sucker for og thunderfury transmog

[void mesa]

We already have blade flurry at home

[distant halo]

The 5 target cap of outlaw legit turns me off it

[tired gull]

but rogue daggers are fine too

[empty viper]

it has what

[runic hinge]

It's 8

[dull cloak]

it's actually 8

[empty viper]

outlaw needs one hand sword and a gun as off hand

[distant halo]

Either way

[haughty lantern]

um akshually 🤓

[distant halo]

Still bad

[empty viper]

ye sounds like mm hunter

[haughty lantern]

i would die for this. 1h sword + offhand gun (would be fine if guns/crossbows got a magic dnd treatment where they could be used 1handed or 2handed

b/c adding a new weapon type just for a single spec seems dumb (and this is coming from a hunter main)

[kind gorge]

Isn't the Ravenous Honey Buzzer perfoming better than signet on m+ ?

[hardy venture]

It is bugged atm.

[haughty lantern]

bee pun intended?

[hardy venture]

I like to be punny when I can 😛

[ornate dawn]

Bee serious or buzz off

[distant halo]

Bugged good or bugged bad

[hardy venture]

Good. It is doing 1.2 to each target instead of splitting the damage

[raven egret]

I don't know that the sac will stay that dominant for so many specs, seems primed for an adjustment nerf

[distant halo]

Holy

[dull cloak]

good bug that will be fixed

[languid tide]

is there anything cool with pick pocket like back in the days? or is that just useless now a days?
did not find anything online

[empty viper]

u can pp wax iirc

[deft vault]

Is assas still on of the better PI target or nah?

[distant halo]

And they just had a fix tonight and didn’t do it 🤣

[tired gull]

yeah you can pickpocket bubbling wax

[raven egret]

You can pick-pocket wax to put on your weapons, they aint anywhere close to be as good as whethstones but eh, thats something. Oh and void-earthens you can pick pocket a 24g85s Void Pebble

that is all.

[dense lodge]

Does wax work for everything or just outdoor content?

[scenic nacelle]

Everything

[raven egret]

works everywhere

[languid tide]

k thanks 😘

[haughty lantern]

it's free, best thing going for it

[raven egret]

yeah, meanwhile some lunatic thought it was a great idea to lock our Whethstones being Null Stones

[dense lodge]

Tempered pots still going for 3k each makes me wanna cry

[dark token]

It's flurrying?

[silk bane]

its dmaage isnt being split

[raven egret]

so far I was able to secure myself to be self sufficient on food, pots, whethstones and armor kits. I'm shit out of luck for enchanting if it wasnt for my buddy, and flasks for my other buddy

[silk bane]

does full to any targets hit

[cobalt sphinx]

it doesn't look like an easy fix because it doesn't hit simultaneously

so how can you calculate a damage split when the hits aren't even simultaneous

they might just have to kill it

[silk bane]

u can delay the damage until duration is done

then recalcualte damage done

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that would work too

might be rewriting

[lunar path]

Is Subterfuge not worth it for the 50% damage improved garrote buff in AoE?

[real pike]

I guess it could take a snapshot of all enemies in the path when you press the button

and split between them

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah but if that means writing new code, you might as well just nuke it

[shy pecan]

You already get 6 seconds of improved garrote

[real pike]

but could mean the animation doesn't always sync

[raven egret]

That whole right side of the capstones area is positively useless. We can already spread garotte for 6 seconds - Plus, an empowered garotte isnt that meaningful

[lunar path]

how, carnage doesnt count as if it is casted out from stealth or am i wrong?

[lunar path]

so 50% of garrote damage is not that big for the 3 points in subterfuge in the left tree?

[raven egret]

we dont need subterfuge

is the point

[void mesa]

Subterfuge is redundant with our talents in Assassination

[lunar path]

ah lol

[raven egret]

its points thrown to the void

[lunar path]

i think its only 50% out of stealth

yeah got it

xD

thx guys

[shy pecan]

And it’s the same with IC.

[void mesa]

The only thing you'd gain is ambush for 6 seconds

Which you really don't want lol

[raven egret]

need mah spatter to spatter

[bleak sun]

anyone have a wa to track deathstalker mark ?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice spire]

I know whispyr’s does

Pretty sure le’s does

Unsure on devlin or luxthos

[winged widget]

Dtb+oil of deep toxins+the necrotic wake trinket for that juicy poison flavor.
That is the true bis

It could only be better jf the queensbane effect came from a dagger instead of fist weapon

[normal mist]

I like the way you think

[crimson crest]

we only crimson tempest on at least 3 targets right?

[slate crown]

[nocturne quail]

wtb servers

[raven egret]

If only I didn't have to take a loan for life to ensure a supply of whetstones

[spice spire]

While I have you here do you still have a kb timeline? (I haven’t checked and am on mobile atm otherwise I’d just click)

[haughty lantern]

so, assuming i have a blank check of a budget, what enchant(s) should i put on my weapons before we have auth of the depths?

[slate crown]

In collection above

[haughty lantern]

is there like....a solid cheap option? like get a bronze level mastery enchant? crit?

[slate crown]

But it only really tells you shiv

cause that's all that matters anymore for it

[spice spire]

Yeah kind of all I need

[slate crown]

It's in the pack, and standalone in the collection

[spice spire]

Never played kb iteration of sin

Ty ma’am

[slate crown]

[haughty lantern]

@normal mist you around here somewhere?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-appears-unhide-peek-gif-16884583

[haughty lantern]

can you help me understand this?

[normal mist]

You couldn't have summoned a worse person

let me call in the reinforcements.

@silk bane

[haughty lantern]

ah, well at least i know you know people

[normal mist]

Get in here armin

[haughty lantern]

who know this stuff

[normal mist]

Yeah im really good at knowing people that KNOW the stuff

My gf hates me for that

[spice sentinel]

So that used to be the condition but iirc whispyr said the other day 2 is also a dps gain. Id use the search function but 3+ for sure use it

[normal mist]

My armin call summoned Eleem

[crimson crest]

alright, thanks

[haughty lantern]

like is the sim just not simming properly??

[silk bane]

hi what can i do for you

[normal mist]

No idea, i'm not the sims guy, they understand better

[haughty lantern]

hi can you help me understand this sim i did

[normal mist]

#assassination message

^

[haughty lantern]

did a whole bunch of sims on 2 pieces of crafted gear with DTL, with different stat iterations, but they all simmed within 0.2% of each other

and then when i checked the tooltip for DTL it said it only gave 60 crit, which I know is wrong. Gold DTL should give 756 afaik

SO THE 0.2% DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. so am trying to understand

[shy pecan]

Don’t. Trust. Tooltips.

[spice spire]

Tooltips lol

[silk bane]

^ tooltips are often bugged

[haughty lantern]

I DON'T, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT

[spice spire]

And wdym the 0.2% doesn’t make sense to you

[loud light]

the wowhead tooltips on raidbots always have issues with scaling

[spice spire]

This is like

[silk bane]

another example from earlier today

doubt this is 0% but tooltip go brr

[spice spire]

The common thing

Stats really don’t matter that much. We like em all

A lot

[junior aurora]

there's enough rogue bugs that it could be 0%

[silk bane]

and the 0.2% thingy kinda makes sense to me, theyre not particularly strong

and theyre all clsoe

[haughty lantern]

so like......this may just be me not being literate in rogue mechanics, but how much does crit effect assassin dps?

If I have like...1500 free crit or whatever from double DTL, would that not make haste and mast more valuable and give it a higher like....dps yield?

[haughty lantern]

ok, gotcha.

SEE LIKE I SAID i'm not the most well versed in like how much stats effect rogue dps, so I'm here trying to learn and digest

[shy pecan]

It’s stats. You’re overthinking it.

[hollow stone]

other than the obvious "more crits is obvi more dam", there's crit rng that effects cp gen

[whole sand]

stats are fake

[haughty lantern]

i'm an engineering student with adhd, overthinking is what i do.

[spice spire]

Like.
Yes but no.
It all fluctuated but if you’re getting 1500 stat so yeah you should get more from them.
But it’s not going to like be night and day. 0.2% makes sense

[violet talon]

Honestly, being slow to move in and out of boss mechanics and not maximizing your uptime is probably far more impactful than the difference between this stat or that in your effective dps

[spice spire]

Also what pieces did you move or do it with

[haughty lantern]

ok, gotcha. if you say the 0.2% makes sense, and you have explained to me WHY the 0.2% makes sense, i believe you

[violet talon]

Sims exist in a vacuum, which isn't reality

[haughty lantern]

armin over there writing a fuckin novel

[spice spire]

Armin can probably go more in depth

[raven egret]

You're not real!

[spice spire]

I’m very much a big picture guy

[silk bane]

totally reasonable. generally stats arent that important for rogues specially for sin. (outlaw has a haste cap now but we ignore that spec no one likes them ).

Ill give you an example -> if you had full verse crit gear as outlaw in s3 with litearlly 0 haste and verse being the "worst" stat for sin, that gear vs litearl bis gear for sin ws like 4-5% off. u swapped some gems around and it would be like 2%

[haughty lantern]

i am too

[spice spire]

Sims are real. But they’re not the end all be all

[hollow stone]

pepperoni and bacon pizza sims the highest tho

[spice spire]

Unless we have a pure patchwerk there’s a lot more to consider. But yeah 0.2% especially if it’s like: bracers belt I totally believe

[raven egret]

Facts

[haughty lantern]

wow ok.

Because i'm a BM main* (not rn, obviously, but like gun to my head, can only play 1 spec for the rest of time, i'd pick BM hunter) and BM likes crit/haste/mast but HATES vers.

So i'm BM pilled. So Sin rogue really can make REALLY good use of all 4 secondaries? which is why everyone says stats don't matter?

[violet talon]

Patchwerk fights basically don't exist though. What I'm saying is that people get too focused on stat balance and 0.5% dps increases for sims, but the reality is that maximizing uptime and positioning through mechanics makes a far bigger impact in real performance.

[spice spire]

Yes. We like vers the least but still like Ike it some

[spice spire]

There’s PW almost every tier wdym

It’s just not a pure stand still and hit

[haughty lantern]

gotcha.

does....does vers increase the amount we get healed from crimson vial?

[spice spire]

No

[haughty lantern]

or is crimson vial just %

[spice spire]

Flat %

[spice surge]

It works, its just a tooltip error

Blizzard classic

[haughty lantern]

so i will like....I WILL DO MY BEST TO BREAK MY BRAIN and try to like vers again

[normal mist]

Imagine someone with ADHD being told "yeah you don't NEED TO CARE about stats"

[hollow stone]

vers is the best stat in the game in theory because defensive element

[violet talon]

Then it's literally not a Patchwerk fight lol. With Patchwerk you never lost melee contact with him except for 0.2 seconds to touch the poison trench.

[hollow stone]

just start thinking like that

[raven egret]

What kind of cooked take is that 🤣

[haughty lantern]

YOU DON'T NEED TO CARE ABOUT BREATHING

yeah ok buddy

[hollow stone]

the sadly accurate one -- obvi it's spec dependent but like

if all stats were equal

we would all stack vers

[whole sand]

pawn has done irreparable damage to the wow player's psyche i stg

[normal mist]

I'm now manually breathing, fuck you (jk i love you)

[shy pecan]

Then just think of it as it’s just a fucking game and things like 0.2% don’t matter.

[silk bane]

yeah pretty much. you have alot more options here. for example, sin doesnt really like verse either. BUT, when I was running keys as sin last season, I noticed that once i hit 18s, I picked up some verse, it helped me a lot with living mechanics, and didnt reduce my damage by much

[haughty lantern]

AS a bm main i kinda get this. Even tho BM hates vers, we are also fragile as hell (we have dam reduction but like barely any self sustain)

[cobalt sphinx]

they are all so close for sin it's not even worth worrying about unless you are picking a gem or missive

[silk bane]

yeah I assumed so.

[spice spire]

Magmorax guardian Terros

[junior aurora]

time for the daily conversation about stats

[spice spire]

There was one sepulcher

[junior aurora]

(they dont matter)

[spice spire]

Like there have been so many

[junior aurora]

(just play better)

[haughty lantern]

i am always being told dead dps does no dps, and my guild laughs at dead people who fail mechanics (not in like a mean way) so REALLY avoiding death is good

[hollow stone]

im not advocating fully going vers but if everything was equal.... YUP

most boring stat, but the best stat

[haughty lantern]

SO what you've taught me is that i should be using my vet track tinderbox

[slim tundra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[haughty lantern]

something to spend my....carved? crests on

[raven egret]

Then they wouldn't be equal if it was the best, duh

[shy pecan]

Minutes since we last talked about stats: 0

[spice spire]

[cobalt sphinx]

just use whatever's at the top of raidbots gear compare dawg

[junior aurora]

means the restealth convo has been queued up is all

[hollow stone]

ohshi, that's true (I meant equal in terms of DAMOOGE)

[haughty lantern]

LIKE I SAID, I'M BM PILLED and avoided vers like the plague. I didn't even sim it.

[normal mist]

this time it was actually a good talk

[haughty lantern]

but i will go back today (once i get home) and sim it

best dps is obviously the bottom line, followed closely by not dying to dumb mechanics (i.e. what vers is good for)

[raven egret]

Bro, BM turned your brain into soup. Just forget everything you knew

[junior aurora]

it was the same as every other time this talk happened

[haughty lantern]

reptile brain

[spice spire]

Nah

[normal mist]

I liked this one in particular

[spice spire]

This time someone learned

[normal mist]

^

also that

[cobalt sphinx]

finna open up trueshot lodge and fact check the bm vers thing

[shy pecan]

I mean I know probably BM hunters that have played the game longer than you and they just don’t give shit about stats. Just throw it into raidbots and be like “Cool” and done.

[junior aurora]

tbh i dont think ive simmed a top gear this expansion yet

quick sim to double check im pressing my buttons right

wait until real gear drops

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[normal mist]

me neither! xD

[slate crown]

I just did it for a set of trinkets

[hollow stone]

tbf, top gear is for CUTTING, and we are in the BULKING phase still

[slate crown]

and I only did it once

[normal mist]

im 585 with whatever i'm using

[slim tundra]

this isnt like classic can i hhave a whetstone and all my poisons?

[raven egret]

Imagine simming top gear pre season, now that would be a real meme

[normal mist]

yes

[slim tundra]

thanks

thats awesome

[hollow stone]

all women or just the scary ones?

[normal mist]

bro words of wisdom

[slim tundra]

every single one

[violet talon]

With Magmorax you literally have to run out if you get a pool drop lol

[haughty lantern]

do it. Like....even the sims will tell you to take more mast (even through diminishing returns) before taking vers

[junior aurora]

so the married ones are fine, got it

[raven egret]

Hell yes, mad gains next week

[slim tundra]

see u understand

[spice spire]

With the ability to immediately return losing maybe 1s

[normal mist]

no

you just stand there

and ALL SOAK

[haughty lantern]

aren't you....

yeah you soak it

don't run

[spice spire]

No no. Mythic you had to run out

[frigid copper]

hi - are there any recommended sin rogue streamers?

[normal mist]

Fuck mythic :C

I'm a casual

[violet talon]

Tell me you didn't mythic raid without telling me you didn't mythic raid lol

[spice spire]

Mythic was very fun

[hollow stone]

had acro for magmorax tho

[spice spire]

I enjoyed mag a bit

[haughty lantern]

our very own Whispyr

[junior aurora]

if ur a ranged dps its still a patchwerk fight

[frigid copper]

thanks!

[normal mist]

Hi, i'm the casual green name, how you doing today

[spice spire]

Or if you were an idiot that played sbs that tier

[junior aurora]

i played sub

didnt even have the option

[spice spire]

I played sbs

[haughty lantern]

you bridge the gap between casual shitters and the leet big brains who know how the sims work

[spice spire]

[oak fable]

!talent

[waxen oyster]

well technically

[spice spire]

It’s an important role

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[waxen oyster]

the middle soak still stacked for

after the initial round

[normal mist]

@oak fable check those guides

[spice spire]

Yeah but Ik what he meant

[oak fable]

thx

[spice spire]

I wasn’t gonna semantics the man

We have so many tools to make a lot of fights pw-esque

[normal mist]

Hopefuly i can do that job well

[haughty lantern]

A+ review as far as i can tell my boy

[tired gull]

i remember wotlk patchwerk, my guild was so terrible, we couldn't kill it without 3 rogues abusing HaT

[spice spire]

I remember vanilla patchwerk

[haughty lantern]

you're OLD

[violet talon]

Yeah, I guess that's my point. Getting in and out quickly improves your performance in that fight more than the difference between some stat weights does. Would you agree?

[spice spire]

OKAY DUDE

[haughty lantern]

😛

[spice spire]

Fair enough, 100%

[iron carbon]

Wait, I feel offended

[bronze pike]

Old

[silk bane]

youre the best of us

[spice spire]

Always advocated for better play, but not going to disregard sims completely tho

Was more my point

[normal mist]

Damn, thanks Armin,

[bronze pike]

Back when my bestie used to play wow

[spice spire]

Shut up remby or I’ll kiss you on the damn mouth

[bronze pike]

She was hyper focused on stats

[hollow stone]

devil's advocate tho:
if ppl are still going to make the same mistakes, then doesnt the sim actually still matter?

[bronze pike]

She has adhd

[haughty lantern]

Sims imo are like....excellent bumpers in a bowling lane

they can't teach you how to bowl like a master, but they can at least help you (but not ultimately prevent you) from failing

[bronze pike]

And I kept explaining that secondary stats are secondary but it was a thing she shouldn’t focus on

So eventually we just

[spice spire]

It matters less than the mistakes still tho

[bronze pike]

Focused on stat optimizations for the fun of it

[haughty lantern]

can't target secondary stats, so you can't kick them

[bronze pike]

Cause it wasn’t hurting anyone

[spice spire]

Would prioritize the mistakes over the 0.2%

[mental trout]

always played a rogue, havent touched him at all. ive been playing my mage. When the servers come back up should i jump on and start leveling as assassination? We look pretty strong in M+ huh

[cobalt sphinx]

secondary stats are easy to blame for bad dps, like blaming your teammates in league

[silk bane]

this is funny af to me because the person doing Sin APL and sims is whispyrs whos also a bowler! banger analogy

[hollow stone]

yes, addressing mistakes will be better, but if they ARENT going to address those then the sim is still the best bet, right?

[spice spire]

Brother you’re the hero class why would you play anything else

[bronze pike]

She was already a fantastic tank

[spice spire]

We are pretty good in damage tho

[bronze pike]

So not much to look at there

[bronze pike]

Promise?

[crimson crest]

do we try to get ruptures on 5 targets even if carnage isnt active?

[haughty lantern]

LIKE YOU CAN STILL FIND A WAY TO YEET A BOWLLING BALL INTO THE CEILING

[junior aurora]

crazy to think that used to be a difficult fight

[haughty lantern]

Or get it stuck in the gutter

[iron carbon]

Yes

[haughty lantern]

But you gotta be TRYING to tail

[junior aurora]

we were real dogshit back in 2005

[spice spire]

I wasn’t responding to you remby I

[hollow stone]

bowling analogy is s-tier

[frigid copper]

server up

[spice spire]

Were?

[bronze pike]

Ya cause dps checks were hard checks

[spice spire]

Brother I still am

[mental trout]

i havent been keeping up to date with every thing, just watched some videos and it looks like ass rogue is killing it. Are we going to be good in both M+ and raid?

[crisp stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[restive falcon]

@balmy condor my homie is saying Bubblign Wax is gonna be bis for rogue, is this true

[junior aurora]

did 1 mil damage in 12 hits gotta be

[spice spire]

Unsure on raid

[white pumice]

Is there ever a moment where u spam fan of knives into crimson tempest on aoe packs?

[haughty lantern]

Idk if it’s best for raid but it’s certainly bis for my wallet

[hollow stone]

no

[spice spire]

Spam? No

Cast? Yeah but caustic is a big damooj

[junior aurora]

the damage is in the dot now not the application

[white pumice]

just for dot/refresh

[spice spire]

Yep

[white pumice]

Cool cool

[topaz pebble]

Will you guys be going outlaw for the raid?

[haughty lantern]

Help

I just got in my car and I’m melting

Like the waaaaaax

[iron carbon]

Why should we?

[hollow stone]

unlikely but if it cranks, sure

[safe shuttle]

No Unless it’s insanely better. I don’t really like the spec like I like assa and sub and I will only touch it if it is by far and away the best

[lunar pond]

15+ years of time in the seat and how things were tuned. There's others like Sunwell, etc. from old, old content

[mental trout]

i really only like ass and outlaw haha hate sub

[topaz pebble]

Its cranking ST is it not?

[hollow stone]

based on what real content?

[junior aurora]

no people just didnt know how to press their buttons right

way less knowledge

[normal mist]

is that mage tower dmg?

[restive falcon]

yea my body said he saw it here and then sent me it

[safe shuttle]

Sims are kinda wacky for us tho low key so I usually wait for the meta to be defined by actual logs

[iron carbon]

Based on sim dummies kekw

[normal mist]

tcharan

how did i know

[hollow stone]

I forget who said this before me, but we all know how this one goes:
heroic week, we all play OL and sin
mythic week, we start to realize sub is the best
mythic week 2, we are all sub

(:

[normal mist]

thats most likely bugged in the mage tower OBVIOUSLY

[safe shuttle]

Exactly

[austere nymph]

plz no sub

[vagrant brook]

with the ER + DM bug, do we just play normally as if it wasn't bugged or?

[spice spire]

This was a @sudden brook banger tweet

[hollow stone]

IT WAS YEP

Guy knows

[waxen oyster]

worst part about sub is playing transmitter

[restive falcon]

it says "Coats ypir wea[pms om a bibb;omg wax that lasts for 2hours. Applying poisionous effects to your target has a chance to spill a 4yd wide pool of boiling wax on top of the target, dealing 87,853 fire damage split between enemies. Damage is increased for each enemy struck, up to 5 enemies"

[shy pecan]

I mean, no one is making anyone go sub.

[iron carbon]

And the infinite amount of bugs

[spice spire]

Actually I am

[austere nymph]

tell that to smolderon

[hollow stone]

technically no one is even making us play the game

[lunar pond]

i.e. time in the seat

[spice spire]

I don’t want to see logs this tier

[waxen oyster]

outlaw has more bugs than sub

[spice spire]

[waxen oyster]

i dont even know what bugs sub has rn

unique to the spec

[restive falcon]

so r we secretly wax gamers

[normal mist]

If that damage was dealt inside the MAGE TOWER CHALLENGE, its due to a bug.

[shy pecan]

Funny part is no one wants to in sub either

[junior aurora]

are u playing sub this tier? tf

[frail rune]

this chat is infinitely funnier then the other class discords xD

[junior aurora]

wrong reply

[runic hinge]

login

[junior aurora]

that was for quake

[restive falcon]

he said it does a ton of damage as well in regular world

[austere nymph]

for sure, and i will if ass is ass

[spice spire]

Damn that’s crazy that’s a @earnest remnant problem tho

[spice spire]

Absolutely not

[waxen oyster]

When people in a WR 1000 guild

feel "forced" to play a spec

[normal mist]

We've already established that WAX is only good for now because whetstones are EXTREMELY expensive.

[restive falcon]

ph

oh

[spice spire]

Work and then 15 day streak later

[waxen oyster]

magetower is kind of

[junior aurora]

are u in ed's alt guild

[waxen oyster]

piss easy even without bugs

[spice spire]

I am not

[junior aurora]

f

[spice spire]

I’m sending people his way tho

Or trying

@deft sluice u nerd

[shy pecan]

No one messaged me yet

[runic hinge]

NA IS up

[spice spire]

Ik

[junior aurora]

we have no rogues

[spice spire]

Work bud

[shy pecan]

And quake doesn’t wanna raid with us

[junior aurora]

gonna have to recruit tony from his guild

[runic hinge]

you cannot

[junior aurora]

can and will

[spice spire]

Raiding with my old guild

For one day a week

[restive falcon]

alright so jsut farm wax and use it till whetstones drop

[spice spire]

Don’t wanna raid twice a week unless I’m really vibing with wow

[deft sluice]

whomst pinged me

[spice spire]

So far so good

[mental trout]

@balmy condor you killed the youtube shit haha. was perfect for getting caught up with ass rogue

[spice spire]

Who else knows who the fuck you are u idiot

[shy pecan]

Toxic

[deft sluice]

idk, maybe someone did an everyone ping

[spice spire]

Tell me I’m wrong

Those aren’t allowed here

Fair tho

[shy pecan]

Disabled on this server

[deft sluice]

doz knows me

bitch

[neon drift]

Hey all im trying to farm some of this: https://www.wowhead.com/item=220156/bubbling-wax#dropped-by but having no luck whatsoever is it that rare?

[tired gull]

did you do the quest

[spice spire]

Doz would never touch this channel

Except to troll me

[shy pecan]

Same

[spice spire]

??

[neon drift]

Hmm ill have to double check maybe I did not

[mental trout]

servers are up

[wicked zodiac]

guys anyone have wa for [Darkest Night]?

[shy pecan]

????

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice spire]

Whispyr’s has it

[wicked zodiac]

ty

[sour relic]

What is the anticipated best spec for rogue in raiding? Is it sin or sub?

[normal mist]

Who knows

[hollow stone]

Fire mage

[normal mist]

raid isnt even out yet

[spice spire]

Outlaw but also yeah

The answer is 🔮

[gleaming geyser]

Blizzard will nerf sin after week one right as we go into mythic 🙂

[hollow stone]

the prophecy

[royal lantern]

and i will still do more dmg as assa then all those fotm monkeys that ask about it 24/7

so

[runic hinge]

same

[runic hinge]

ii love my guild tbh

[mental trout]

can some one drop a details meter of a break down of how many times you cast your abilities over a heroic please?

[normal mist]

you can have 3 thousand different answers

why does that matter?

[crisp pine]

honestly if you don't have exactly 98 envenom casts you're not doing it right

[strange python]

I cast mutilate 1-100 times per encounter. Thoughts?

[mental trout]

i mean it will stay pretty consistent id imagine with the rotation, im just starting to lvl my sin rogue and wanted to see which buttons ill be hitting the most for how i want the key bind.

[iron carbon]

Wtf

[crisp pine]

Dude

[iron carbon]

Bruh

[wide ferry]

Ive seen some wild questions but dam

[crisp pine]

Bind Deathmark on 1

and slice and dice on 2

[royal lantern]

100 casts is wasting energy tbh

[normal mist]

You honestly are OVERTHINKING IT too much my friend. Just play and level and learn your abilities, don't worry about such nonsense. Anything else we'll be here to help.

[neon drift]

Thank you that was it, I was silly and not finished the quest 🙂

[royal lantern]

its frking assa

you generate cp trought crits

you can have 50% more FoK/Mut casts simply cus no crits happend lol

[runic hinge]

do your keybinds like this

or dont

[fair stirrup]

Heroics don’t matter. For M+ and raid, get in as many deathmarks and kingsbane as you can

[manic quartz]

i have the same CT bind 😄

[deft ingot]

Man single target in m+ just feels bad right? We just kind of have to live with the energy starvation?

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[storm hedge]

Why have mutilate macro?

[normal mist]

Read above

[runic hinge]

it has cold blood in it cause i'm playing fatebound and im lazy

[storm hedge]

Shouldn't you CB envenoms though?

[runic hinge]

If i wasn't being lazy I'd hit the actual bind i have for it

[iron carbon]

Your keybinds give me anxiety

[normal mist]

doesnt matter

[storm hedge]

Oh yeah

[runic hinge]

same

[storm hedge]

Forgot FB makes it work only for envenoms.

[pure moth]

Why isn't k kick and e evasion. You've got alot of same letter lol

[sturdy stirrup]

thanks this way i can reach 100 parse right

[crisp pine]

SnD on 4 is fucking Chad

[normal mist]

SURELY

[iron carbon]

Your's too

[normal mist]

[gleaming geyser]

these keybinds also give me anxiety

[manic quartz]

wait till you see this shit

[sturdy stirrup]

delete pls

[gleaming geyser]

yall psychos

[iron carbon]

I want to remove my eyes

[gleaming geyser]

(on brand for sin)

[runic hinge]

kick is just always e on every character

[manic quartz]

r

[iron carbon]

W

[dusty zenith]

My kick is 5 wtf

[spice spire]

Q

[fickle girder]

shift + W

[gleaming geyser]

X

[spice spire]

X is for tea

[sturdy stirrup]

how can you press S9

[pure moth]

Big hands

[spice spire]

Easily

[fickle girder]

F for tea, to drink tea and pay respects

[manic quartz]

mouse binds

[gleaming geyser]

thats G because goSIPping

[spice spire]

G is CT

[sturdy stirrup]

cant even reach 9 with my peepee 😭

[storm hedge]

Why is U for FoK is the real question

[spice spire]

F is fan

[manic quartz]

mouse binds again 😄

[spice spire]

With your HUH

[crisp pine]

What do you guys have Detection and Pick Lock bound to?

[dusty zenith]

Q is for fan . How can it not be

[fickle girder]

Detection spam

[haughty flicker]

F is fsprint

[spice spire]

Miss me w that

[iron carbon]

It looks like u take random key and put spells on it

[haughty flicker]

Q is for qidney shot

[manic quartz]

Dont you do it like that 😮

[gleaming geyser]

I manually type /cast

[spice spire]

Because q is for kick

[storm hedge]

And shift Q for CT am I right?

[fickle girder]

Q is for Qloak of Shadows

[dusty zenith]

X is ct

[spice spire]

Clock is -

[pure moth]

Playing from spellbook is better

[runic hinge]

damn, I started the keybind comparison

[spice spire]

Cloak even

[gleaming geyser]

cloak is shift C and evaision is shift E obviously

[dusty zenith]

How do you all play

Jesus

[spice spire]

Evasion is =

[fickle girder]

ay yo

[spice spire]

[dark token]

https://tenor.com/bMn1r.gif

[storm hedge]

I mean everyone has their way of playing let's not judge.

[gleaming geyser]

shift X for deathmark because X MARKS THE SPOT

[runic hinge]

yes definitely

[royal lantern]

nah, i judge

[fickle girder]

I usually put big dick cds on shift 1-3

[spice spire]

Me pressing P

[haughty flicker]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions

Even the wrong ones

[spice spire]

To brez

[storm hedge]

Yeah this is assa channel what was I thinking

[haughty flicker]

Dude has pick lock bound

[sturdy stirrup]

mining skill lets go

[gleaming geyser]

envenom on 2 instead of garrote is WILD

[spice spire]

I don’t even have shift bound

[spice spire]

Envenom on 2 is objectively correct

[dusty zenith]

Ya I’d say garrote is a must on 2

[spice spire]

Garrote on e

[sturdy stirrup]

i'll touch your feet under bed

[gleaming geyser]

[gleaming geyser]

ill be waiting

[sturdy stirrup]

dont go sleep

[gleaming geyser]

shift 2*

[spice spire]

False bestie

Shift 2 is something more sinister

[strange python]

mutilate 1... ik ... cancel me

[gleaming geyser]

I like having my generators 1-5 and spenders shift 1-5

[fickle girder]

Got some free hotkeys

[dark token]

ur actually davey jones

[gleaming geyser]

LMAO

[dark token]

we dont even have 5 generators

[spice spire]

E garrote
R KB
T Shiv
M4 is ER

[gleaming geyser]

(we have at least 4)

[dark token]

kb doesnt count

[gleaming geyser]

FALSE

[spice spire]

Garrote shiv mutilate ER KB

[dusty zenith]

Doesn’t it

[dark token]

if it doesnt get lethality

its not a generator

it just awards combo points

[dusty zenith]

Don’t forget fok

[raw cobalt]

noone with good keybinds

[dark token]

here

[dark token]

its goated

[finite yarrow]

Garrote 1, mut 2, rup 3, env 4, feint 5, vanish 6, sprint 7, step 8, poison dagger 9, vend 10.
KB F, shiv G, fok E, vial R, CT shift E

[dusty zenith]

wtf am I looking at

[raw cobalt]

a headache

[sturdy stirrup]

fyrakk is so wrong

[gleaming geyser]

going past number 5

[finite yarrow]

Naga gamer

[dark token]

do you see number 6

[raw cobalt]

this is goat

[dark token]

there isnt

[gleaming geyser]

not you bojo

[storm hedge]

You can only go past 5 if you are esdf gamer.

[spice spire]

I go to =

[gleaming geyser]

yea and you`re a madlad

[slate crown]

build diffy

[dark token]

= cancer more like

[spice spire]

False

[dark token]

or = arthritis

[spice spire]

Nah no arthritis

[finite yarrow]

Shift = is blind

[gleaming geyser]

LMAO

holy

[spice spire]

Shift =

Is mad lad

[dark token]

whats wrong with my keybinds i arranged them stacked

[spice spire]

Not even I can cook that hard

[gleaming geyser]

ya thats crisp as heck

[dark token]

12345qerftgzxcv

[raw cobalt]

dude is using both hands on keyboard

[dark token]

then alt, shift, ctl of each

[finite yarrow]

Evasion f5, cloak f6

[spice spire]

1234567890-=qertfgzxcvp

Are the keys I use

[frigid copper]

for someone new, you all just recommend reading through the guides right? Nothing else to it like a 101 crash course?

[raw cobalt]

just use the spellbook if u gonna have that many numbers

[past forum]

i use 12345rvcxdsa and then have the modifier keys bound to my mouse buttons

[sturdy stirrup]

objectively this is the best one

[spice spire]

Yes but whispyr has several basic stuff on his YouTube channel

Oh m345 as well

Mb homies

[spice spire]

Nah

[frigid copper]

his raid guide or the m+ guide to start?

[spice spire]

Depends on what you go for

[gleaming geyser]

wowhead guide covers a lot in text form and goes through pretty much all the basics

[spice spire]

He even has some older more fundamental videos iirc

[frigid copper]

Or is there an intro intro one

yeah trying to find the fundamentals lol

[gleaming geyser]

if you go dracthyr, you can free Shift 1 🙂

[deep sorrel]

can't believe you'd waste such a good keybind like e on a 2 minute cd D:

[dark token]

we need ravenholdt pfp quiz

[spice spire]

It’s been a while sorry pretty sure he has a very fundamental one (iirc it’s df but a lot Carrie’s through)

[dark token]

like i always know this quake

[dark token]

wait didnt you have diff dog

[runic hinge]

gross

[spice spire]

That’s actually kind of a funny one

[spice spire]

No this is the same dog I’ve always had

I’ve had diff pfps of him

[deep sorrel]

mouse button abuser

[spice spire]

But same dog always

[raw cobalt]

New class, deathknight rogue?

[dusty zenith]

Dont know what Else I would bind to E

[spice spire]

Garret

[deep sorrel]

ENVENOM!

[dark token]

how do u guys only use 4 rows

[finite yarrow]

Fok

[dark token]

i need at least 6

[spice spire]

I only use 3

[stoic rain]

No one ever does it like me 😦

[spice spire]

But it’s packed

[deep sorrel]

what the fuck

[dusty zenith]

l;ol

[thorn fjord]

Have everything pretty much there

[raw cobalt]

wtf

[thorn fjord]

i have two off to the side

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[runic hinge]

i would not show people this

[thorn fjord]

that are click casat

[stoic rain]

LOL

[gleaming geyser]

lmao

[sturdy stirrup]

he cute

[dusty zenith]

you could condense that like 3 rows

and reclaim some real estate

[stoic rain]

retail space?

[spice spire]

@slate crown

[sturdy stirrup]

i'll beat my grandpa for this

[stoic rain]

it barely takes up anything

[spice spire]

Ty he’s my favorite

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-cat-gif-18770750

[spice spire]

[raw cobalt]

this actually makes sens

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[dusty zenith]

i need to trim the size of me WA down

[rancid bison]

anyone can explain me what i am doing wrong by the macro #showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/use Blood Fury(Racial)
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark

my potion don´t proc

[deep sorrel]

this is my unstealthed

[stoic rain]

I just like having my keyboard mimiced lol

[raw cobalt]

omfg u owe me new eyeballs

[deep sorrel]

sry for mid gcd lol

[dusty zenith]

/wa

[raw cobalt]

kinda the same but where is ur crimson? no raid out yet

[deep sorrel]

this was on a dummy

[royal lantern]

holy shit, soon we get the 10hour video essays about old games

[deep sorrel]

but for dungeons it goes on c

c for crimson, idk made sense

[raw cobalt]

u should move it to T

[deep sorrel]

ye it would fit better

but t feels awkward sometimes

[raw cobalt]

in line with ur finishers

[junior aurora]

old game tier list

dig dug at top

[limber moth]

One of these days I’ll find someone’s setup to copy - I’m so lost with it 😭

[deep sorrel]

i do generators on 1 line

spenders on the next

cd's above that

defensives lined in with cd bar

[limber moth]

Yours does look a little more intuitive to me

[deep sorrel]

and imo, ur either an alt gamer or a shift/ control gamer

i once alt f4'd out of mythic sylvanas

so i swapped keyboard and unbound alt

from everything

i no longer possess f keys

[finite yarrow]

Alt for Opie wheel

[deep sorrel]

do not recommend alt-4 as a keybind for anything lmao

[junior aurora]

guy in my m+ group has hero bound to altf4 and just clicks it when we need it

everytime he logs out we get sated debuff

[deep sorrel]

xd

[runic hinge]

I have objectively the best keybinds posted and i will not be taking arguements

[balmy condor]

Holy wax lmao

[spice spire]

GM king

[balmy condor]

[spring aurora]

Anyone got any nice profile for Elv UI?

[shell bloom]

Are raidbots reliable now? my ravenous honey buzzer sims a lot more than other trinkets that are recommended everywhere for single target and im a bit sceptic about it

[deep sorrel]

don't think so, and me too i don't trust it

so i used smth else

[spice surge]

Its good

Its just not available at higher ilvls

Which is why its not recommended for bis setups

[narrow marsh]

The bee trinket is a treat

[deep sorrel]

is it rly that good?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[deep sorrel]

cus ive got one

so mb i just rock it

[balmy condor]

Sims are fine

[deep sorrel]

TIME TO BEE IT UP LADIES AND GENTS

[balmy condor]

It’s just no guide is written for pre-season bis

Cause that’s cringe

[deep sorrel]

yeah fair enough

i thought some funny shit was going on

[shell bloom]

yeah makes sense didnt think about it

thanks

[toxic zephyr]

Yeah, damage breakpoints vary a lot for lower ilvl vs higher ilvl. The minecart trinket sims higher than everything rn for me

[rotund oak]

yo my man,do our embelishments work now?some guildies say that some stuff that give stats work

[balmy condor]

Well they “work”

[deep sorrel]

BZZZZZZZ time to become one with the bumblebee

[balmy condor]

The numbers still don’t make much sense

[rotund oak]

so they dont scale properly right?

[runic hinge]

Isn’t the damage just not splitting on it?

[dusky token]

which trinket is better, ara-kara sac or remnant of darknes?

[balmy condor]

Some don’t scale, some are really undertuned, it’s all very strange

[austere sorrel]

If I'm 14 yds from the sunset is it best to hold it or just send it?

[deep sorrel]

XD

[idle siren]

what is bis race for raid progress? or does not matter much?

[normal mist]

RWF?

[toxic zephyr]

sim sim sim. from my exp ara-kara is tho

[desert cove]

BiS is picking based on looks

[frigid copper]

dumb q: setting up UI - do we have a preference on naowh vs atro vs others?

[gleaming geyser]

Visage form dracthyr is BiS

🙂

[normal mist]

If you're not a RWF raider, it doesnt fucking matter*

[shell bloom]

i know a lot can still change.. but any predictions for best mythic raid progression rogue spec?

[normal mist]

raid isnt out yet

[robust axle]

Don't be mad bro

[desert cove]

and now that I can be a dracthyr without being evoker

[hybrid olive]

i have a question about sim. if i sim for 800k patchwork 5mins ST. and i attack a target dummy for 5 mins. is it simming the same?

[desert cove]

I will be race changing my rogue to dracthyr

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[desert cove]

b/c dragons are cool

[balmy condor]

Sub

[desert cove]

Sin

[normal mist]

i'm not mad

[balmy condor]

If nothing changes

[desert cove]

spin plates

[balmy condor]

It’s sub every fight for sure

[shell bloom]

fuck xd

[desert cove]

sin = win

boom

you can't beat that

[balmy condor]

Sin single target ain’t good enough and outlaw has no burst

[desert cove]

it even rhymes

[balmy condor]

So sub wins by process of elimination

[frigid copper]

m+ sin though?

[balmy condor]

Ye

Sins aoe is bonkers

Sins prio is bonkers

[gleaming geyser]

M+ sin is so fun right now

[desert cove]

unless you're pushing HoF I don't think it really matters what your preferred spec is in raid

except for outlaw

[blazing plaza]

atm im playing sub for heroica and probably m0 too because everything dies too fast

[rain mortar]

I don’t care I’m still playing sin in raid you can’t force me to sub

[deep sorrel]

you think even with the amount of adds on certain bosses that sub will be better?

i was looking at queen and the amount of platforms with adds, surely caustic carries

[orchid cedar]

Sin and Sub aren't that far in sims tho

for ST

almost identical dmg

[deep sorrel]

yeah but i think its the burst profile that sub offers

which makes it preferable

[blazing plaza]

i still think that sub dmg profile is better for raids

[deep sorrel]

if bosses have intermissions its nice to get dmg out asap

[waxen oyster]

its 1.5min spec vs 2min spec

[balmy condor]

Unless last boss wants you to run aoe talents, yes

[deep sorrel]

well you would run the aoe talents, makes no sense not to with the lack of pure single-target

almost an add in every phase bar p1

[balmy condor]

Second boss adds are important I guess but I don’t think you’d really run aoe for it and caustic doesn’t reach boss from adds and doesn’t reach adds from boss so kinda meh

[woeful lagoon]

Does it matter in any way what I craft pre raid? Would assume embellished dagger would be highest dps increase?

[balmy condor]

And the adds otherwise don’t matter

[tropic quiver]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[balmy condor]

So would be copium for last boss

But no one knows what last boss is going to need damage wise

[opal basin]

My personal copium is that they aren't fixing deathstalker because they're actually in the middle of completely reworking it.

[balmy condor]

So kind of just 3 layers of speculation deep

[deep sorrel]

sure yeah i agree

[balmy condor]

Speculating the spec, then speculating the fight, then speculating that we run aoe for the fight

[deep sorrel]

i think their will be a lot of 2-3 target cleave a lot of the time though

[orchid cedar]

it sucks needing 2 sets of gear for assa and sub

damn

[deep sorrel]

from what i have read and watched, i think caustic will be better for a majority of the fights, what do you think?

[waxen oyster]

You don't "need" 2 sets.

[vital flicker]

there is a lot of crossover with sub and assass

[balmy condor]

Think it’s just pad most of the time

[deep sorrel]

yes i am talking solely from private parse-son pov

[balmy condor]

Well if you’re a cringe parse whore then yeah of course

[deep sorrel]

im not cringe D:

[balmy condor]

Any time there’s adds you caustic and try and pad

[deep sorrel]

just competetive ;-;

[balmy condor]

Competitive parse padding strategies before the raid is out yet

Yeah okay

That’s pretty fucking cringe

[deep sorrel]

whats wrong w that, we all spend many hours here to try and get better at rogue right

[junior aurora]

padding isn't getting better

its padding

[balmy condor]

Cause you’re padding

[deep sorrel]

my way of getting better is having higher number so, like it is what it is

[balmy condor]

I mean more power to you

But as you climb guild ranks

[deep sorrel]

ye ofc i will be padding like heroic raid, what else do i do

[balmy condor]

Killing it efficiently?

[deep sorrel]

flex that i killed heroic first?

what sort of achievement is that lmao

[vestal cliff]

Whats padding?

[junior aurora]

optimizing for aoe on a fight that doesnt need it

[balmy condor]

We’ve kicked trials for padding heroic before because they’re greedy as shit

[deep sorrel]

sure, but thats from your perspective, and I wouldn't call that cringe whatsoever

[vestal cliff]

Why should someone do that

[deep sorrel]

imo ppl play how they like yk, for me a big part of raiding is logs, i really like them so thats my main goal for most expacs

[balmy condor]

It’s not really my perspective, it’s the perspective of most every high level guild

[gleaming geyser]

cheese log parses

[waxen oyster]

caustic is a bit different since its a relatively low investment way to pad

compared to full sending aoe talents

[warped moon]

ʰᵉˡˡᵒ ᶠᵉˡˡᵒʷ ʳᵒᵍᵘᵉˢ
(whispering so i do not break stealth)

[vestal cliff]

[deep sorrel]

that's cool, we're on different regions I believe so I'm sure it won't affect you in anyway

idk i just like logging ig my bad im big cringer

[balmy condor]

Is what it is

[deep sorrel]

one question though, once you clear hc for the 2nd-3rd time what do u do?

just speedrun it as a guild or

[balmy condor]

Well then I don’t care what you do

That’s farm

[deep sorrel]

well thats kind of what i'm talking about, i'm trying to optimize ahead of time bcs im bored idk

[iron carbon]

I go MM kekw

[warped moon]

i am a vanilla rogue enjoyer attempting to learn rogue on tww and haha wow it is so much

[tired gull]

there's just a few more buttons compared to vanilla

[vestal cliff]

Whispyr do you raid mythic for CE ?

[deep sorrel]

if my guild atm is struggling on heroic, which in my experience it rarely has, i'm not sat ignoring raid leader and hitting adds aoe xd

[balmy condor]

Optimizing for farm before the raid is out is just strange though like you gotta know the timings first and then optimize from there

[balmy condor]

Yes

[deep sorrel]

yeah you're right, a lot will change once I have played the raid and my opinions will also shift, but there's not a whole lot to do right now so like I said, i'm just planning ahead

[warped moon]

i have a question: should i generally be doing ambush -> garrote -> reprimand -> rupture (to fish for big rupture) OR reprimand after rupture and just go for 7cp rupture later??

[iron carbon]

Do you steam prog?

[balmy condor]

After the rup

[warped moon]

sorry for interrupting!

[balmy condor]

Yes

[opal basin]

it's almost like he's crafting a... theory?

[warped moon]

ok ty =]

[vestal cliff]

Always rogue or do you swap sometimes?

[balmy condor]

I basically only ever play assassination unless I really have to play sub

[spice spire]

He has a monk: don’t think it’s been touched since uh

8.3

[naive crane]

hey guys, can someone share a nice little poison apply weakaura?

[vestal cliff]

True chad

[balmy condor]

I progged smolderon as assa for example

[keen tree]

And he never plays outlaw because that is not actually rogue

[gleaming geyser]

The Zul incident

[deep sorrel]

also, wasn't ever ment to come across as bashing non-parsers, sry if it did, just think its important that ppl can disagree/ have diff views without just insta rushing to the word cringe lol

[frigid copper]

is there a large difference between the iv and wowhead guides? or roughly the same? do we favor one over the other?

[warped moon]

also does anyone have any addon tips for like.. tracking debuffs? or do you do that manually? ive been using shadowed unit frames but i have to like look at like every nameplate, gets kind of visually confusing in big pulls.. is there anything that can like, list out mobs that are debuffed/the debuff and its duration on that mob?

[keen tree]

Has anyone adapted quazii’s plater profile for sin? I really like it but it shows way too much stuff on top of the nameplates so I can’t see the stuff that really matters. What are the main things to track?

[spice spire]

I simp both authors

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean the way you worded it at the start was not for farm at all

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[warped moon]

ah ty

[spice spire]

Plater and weak auras help 🙂

[warped moon]

get all of these?

[spice spire]

Recommend whispyr’s weak aura and plater

[balmy condor]

Seli and I share notes (he asks for notes and I share them)