assassination

[placid adder]

@grim jay I got another report for you

[spice spire]

Idk man I’ve had marks just ripped from me and it’s pretty sick

One thing i’m trying to log is if I place mark on target with DN active and I use the final part of the mark on a full finisher envenom, I just end up with no deathstalker stacks

Pretty wicked stuff

:^)

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah apparently dn vs 1 stack will lose your mark

that one sucks

[runic hinge]

I’m purple and emo

Irl

[spice spire]

Hard to be emo with Stuart harassing you constantly big dog

[grim jay]

nah I like arcane

[placid adder]

-_-

[runic hinge]

He took a bath today. Water everywhere

[spice spire]

Death.

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/vi-arcane-vi-vi-arcane-league-arcane-gif-25279826

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

did someone say arcane

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

SNIFF

[spice spire]

HUH

Batman couldn’t get that one outta me homie

[runic hinge]

My favorite show

[novel star]

she’s so fucking hot im gonna kill myself

my bad

[haughty flicker]

[novel star]

had to let that rip

real ones get it

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

its a really fun spec

[crisp pine]

What the fuck

[grim jay]

and the best mage spec

[spice spire]

Low bar

[tawny pawn]

what? i didnt type anything

[spice spire]

Mage is death by default sorry king

[dapper cradle]

pruned

[novel star]

[haughty flicker]

wizards are unethical

[supple ermine]

so uhh

[grim jay]

if death is by your hand, I dare choose it

[spice spire]

It’s fine Davyn is a year or two off of death natty anyway

[tawny pawn]

the entire reason i love fatebound

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-inevitable-marvel-avengers-endgame-gif-14599588

[spice spire]

Cold blood in the year of our lord 2024

[haughty flicker]

i like purple mr clean too

[grim jay]

the entire reason I love fatebound

[supple ermine]

deathstalker ig

idk

[spice spire]

[supple ermine]

MY EYES

[tawny pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[spice spire]

Yeah deathstalker is slightly better

[haughty flicker]

get fucked

[grim jay]

rip guys

[tawny pawn]

what you gonna call me coinflipper too?

[haughty flicker]

no i respect everyones opinions

[cobalt sphinx]

burger flipper

[haughty flicker]

even the wrong ones

[grim jay]

I'll call you copper clown

[supple ermine]

yeah but is the slightly enough of a reason to change your rotation

[ocean ferry]

Is there like a minimum CP we want to cast SnD?

[tawny pawn]

coin goes TING

[supple ermine]

when you could just go fatebound and ball

[spice spire]

You don’t change much at all

[tawny pawn]

1

[spice spire]

Ambush and force a max finisher on DN

[cobalt sphinx]

you play deathstalker because you want to believe rogue hero talents are interesting

[tawny pawn]

its litterally 1

[spice spire]

Well

The forcing max finisher is a big one

Ngl

[zealous wolf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[ocean ferry]

So I prob spread dots and then SnD?

[tawny pawn]

UNHINGED

SOMEONE STOP THIS MAN

[supple ermine]

meh fatebound sounds more funny

[spice spire]

Enjoy what you want

[tawny pawn]

COIN GOES TIIIING

[grim jay]

you?

[spice spire]

Dog

You good?

[dapper cradle]

davyn is down abyssmal

[grim jay]

I wish, thanks for asking

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-wilson-hes-out-of-line-but-hes-right-just-saying-gif-24518939

[proper tapir]

I got failbound to sim 1.4% better than DS. I think either are fine.

[zealous wolf]

is the trinket list from wowhead good or just sim?

[spice spire]

Always sim

But should be good pending sweeping changes

[tawny pawn]

right now, fb is just objectively better, but when they fix DS, its another talk

oh no i should not have said that

[spice spire]

[zealous wolf]

ive got the sac, empowering crystal and the candle stick, sac+candle sims best but idk if i use it good enough to justify xd

since its the only on use trinket, and i just bind it to deathmark

i guess all in all it wont matter untill m+

[runic hinge]

Would you use this

[spice spire]

Isn’t that just

Puzzlebox 2.0

[runic hinge]

Cast time kinda stinky

Yeah

But it was like 7k dps

[spice spire]

Yeah I’d fw it if it was big damage

[haughty lantern]

it's good but very jank/annoying to play around

yes it's basically puzzlebox 2.0

[zealous wolf]

are you guys just playing fb untill the fix echoing interactions?

[runic hinge]

I’m playing fatebound until something actually lives 3 envenoms

[grim jay]

actually sims the same on st and worse on aoe for me

than the dungeon on use

on same ilvl

[spice spire]

I’m learning the jank of deathstalker

Then going FB

[runic hinge]

It was better for both for me using orb and pheromone trinket. I haven’t been spamming heroics tho. Only 579

[dawn heath]

is there a button shadowstep kick macro on mouseover?

the problem with mouseover on kick in the same line of the macro is that sometimes the cursor gets moved off target when u step

[grim jay]

imagine your have 2 decades of experience with your game

and a fucking world event

lags the whole server

[grim jay]

#pvp those guys probably have one

[tropic quiver]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[spice spire]

I have been when I’m on and I’m only 576

Missing pants and bracers

Still in the 550s there

[zealous wolf]

is fatebound just playing

[spice spire]

Yes

[zealous wolf]

I mean, u dont track anything xd

[waxen oyster]

pheromone is probably good if you have the 3 guys at renown 4

[zealous wolf]

i didnt even try it

[gusty mirage]

how do you do fellow wow players

[runic hinge]

I don’t. That zone is stinky

[tawny pawn]

you dont need to, and you get quality of life CB

[runic hinge]

MISS U(S)

[spice spire]

You can in the same way that you could have tracked frost shards.
There’s nothing meaningful to help

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Hey king

[waxen oyster]

tbh for deathstalker

you can just track darkest night

if you wanted

[runic hinge]

Stu took a bath. The floor is soaked!

[tough canyon]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[spice spire]

Love tracking DN

[gusty mirage]

whats DN?

[spice spire]

Darkest night

Capstone for deathstalker silly

[shy pecan]

[timber grove]

i expected deez nuts joke

[zealous wolf]

wait is bugged deathstalker simming more than fate?

[fair coyote]

do the current sims available take into account DS bug or do they assume how it should work?

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[zealous wolf]

or do the sims not consider bugs?

[tame nymph]

I was just about to ask this. Do we know if sims are still bugged for sin or not? ran a sim for both sin and outlaw using highest parsing ST builds and the difference is...large.

[dawn heath]

i got a goated macro to work

with some help

[dawn heath]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Kick
/cast [harm,nodead][@targettarget,harm,nodead] Kick
/targetenemy [harm,nodead]
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget

[torn sierra]

How difficult is the 20 Wave weekly for Ass.?

[dawn heath]

thank me later guys

this macro is nuts

[spice spire]

Piss easy

[torn sierra]

Well then I really suck at Rogue lmao

[dapper cradle]

is this like a pikaboo step kick macro?

[dawn heath]

try it for yourself

idk what he has

[gusty mirage]

same

[haughty flicker]

same

[cobalt sphinx]

it's really not extraordinarily easy, rogue is pretty bad for solo content

but you should be able to do it still

[dapper cradle]

sims can be misleading - a lot can depend on uptime

[livid ruin]

Use your iron wire silecne for the casters

[dapper cradle]

we won't really know definitively until raid is out

[livid ruin]

Kite the mech into the tower lasers

[cobalt sphinx]

i think if you CC the guys that do fire beams, they die instantly

[torn sierra]

Yeah, they do

[dawn heath]

literally used chat GPT To write me the macro

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

that's why we demoted @spice spire, replaced him with chatgpt

[sudden brook]

Do you do clear witness outside of the opener?

Orrr

[livid ruin]

Is double dawnthread still the way for crafted?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah apparently fok is still used single target

[robust axle]

Pins

[sudden brook]

weird its not mentioned on wowhead

[livid ruin]

Yeah I read but its a week old so just confirming 🙂

[robust axle]

Generally hold sparks until after HC tuning, cause Asceension is still way stronger but will probs get nerfed

[livid ruin]

Alright thanks

[spice spire]

Iirc any time you apply mark you’ll end up using ctw proc

Not 100% but like 99% here

[gloomy otter]

is there a plater profile for rogues that only shows my bleed timers?

or a weakaura

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice spire]

Several

[spice spire]

Rude to call @slate crown that dude

[dawn heath]

anyone tried the macro?

[gloomy otter]

thank you will check out

[deep wave]

what do assa rogues generaly do in pvp after vanish

ambush to add mark? garrote? cheap shot?

[spice spire]

#pvp

PvE noob here

[hexed matrix]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[lilac sparrow]

Think if you run vicious venoms you don't bother idk if that's there

[hexed matrix]

is there a current bug list? the one above looks old. and/or heres my confusion.... my stealth keeps getting broken by... nothing. randomly happens. open world, in town, dungeons, wherever. i first thought my keyboard was double tapping stealth, but i ruled that out. anyone else having stealth randomly break?

[spice surge]

The one in the pins

[hexed matrix]

oh... god dangit. / slap

oki dont see the stealth issue there. i found some forum threads but just came here as the ultimate source.

[novel star]

only without vicious venoms talented assuminmg u mean st

[sudden brook]

SO you only care about it in the opener?

Oh so you fully ignore it with vicious venoms

I see

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

damn you read chatgpt and think of me, I'm shattered

[gusty mirage]

your first mistake is acknowledging his existence

[spice spire]

Damn.

[slate crown]

I know, but that bridge was crossed long ago

[sudden brook]

[slate crown]

there's no going back

[gusty mirage]

lmao bozo non-green name

[sudden brook]

wait

Whats the st build

Is it deathstalker or fatebound

[candid seal]

Hi folks, quick question, are Earthen decent as sin rogues?

Or should I stick to Goblin?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah ctw st looks like .7%

[strange cargo]

hollowfall chest reknown 7 not too bad eh?

[spice spire]

Sorry for ur loss

[slate crown]

no you're not

[spice spire]

Gonna eat ur shitter like an apple fritter big dog

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[lavish hazel]

is this accurate ?

[arctic socket]

Woah bro fell off

[spice spire]

Ur next dog

[runic hinge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[lavish hazel]

thx

[dark token]

this doesnt show delve

shit graphic

best one i found

[royal lantern]

the raid build with viceous venom doesnt cus mutilate/ambush are simply more value

in the m+ build without it, you can do it, but its a minor thing overall

[marble hemlock]

white text with no shadow on bright red background

[dark token]

rofl you literally ignore the proc if you have VV talented or

[marble hemlock]

[royal lantern]

yes

turns out, when the marks by themself buff mut/ambush (for some reason)

and you take talents that buff mut/ambush even more

they kinda get a good chunk value

[slate crown]

item levels are also hard to scan all the way across, should have item level labeled down the right side as well so it's easy to see the ilvl from either side

[jolly lion]

yes

[marble hemlock]

true

[lavish hazel]

xd

[rapid plover]

which weapon enchant on dagger for assa bis enchant is not aviable at this point

mastery?

[remote trellis]

pretty sure you sim that

[deep wave]

does this mean i should recast garrote etc to have 2 stacks on the enemy or just that garrotte now deals x2 damage

[cobalt sphinx]

it duplicates existing dots

and freshly applied ones

i think

[marble hemlock]

yep

the moment you cast it, your garrote and rupture will be duplicated, no need to re-apply

and itll also inherit any bonus damage effects aplying to it, i.e. the bonus damage from improved garrote will be active on both garrotes

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vital moon]

!build

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[young dust]

guys, do we have a trinket tier list besides the bis ones?

[torn sierra]

It is possible...I'm too dumb for Rogue lol

[young dust]

was also wondering if this works with a BM in party, for example

[dusky token]

What about Druid in feral stances?

[queen egret]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[dim yacht]

do we use crimson tempest on single target if talented into it? looks like it does more than rupture?

[young dust]

oh well, i recall looking at bloodmallet several years ago, just to get the bigger picture about the trinkets

[normal mist]

no

[dim yacht]

why is that? looks like it does around double the damage of rupture

according to tooltip, at least

[slate crown]

tooltips

[ripe umbra]

Is Echoing reprimend bugued with Crimson tempest? Its just giving 16 sec and not 23

[slate crown]

[dim yacht]

my tooltip says 6 cp rupture does 626k over 28 seconds, and that ct does 769k over 16 seconds

so is the tooltip just straight up wrong

[spice surge]

Yes, tooltips are very unreliable

And often miss out on a lot of effects

[dim yacht]

what a pain

[young dust]

my tooltip says 1million for rupture and 717k for CT

[dim yacht]

so ct only on 2+ targets then?

[young dust]

lmao

[iron carbon]

Correct

[dim yacht]

forgot were still playing pre alpha

cheers

our hero talents will be fixed by release right?

[iron carbon]

Same kekw

[dim yacht]

...right?

[young dust]

might not be combo point efficient as well considering the low duration

[dim yacht]

it says it does triple the damage of my envenom

lol

love it

[iron carbon]

Why 23? It should be 18

[jolly holly]

is the signet from priory a good farm before next week?

[dim yacht]

so what about 7 cp finishers? all the tooltips only tell us what happens at 6cp, but they still consume 7

so i assume they still count as 7cp finishers, and the tooltips are once again just not accurate?

[spice spire]

Yes

[iron carbon]

Yes

[spice spire]

Tooltips are

[spice surge]

Its not a new thing that tooltips suck btw

[fiery radish]

does thistle tea snapshot like tiger's fury

[spice surge]

That has been the case for like 10+ years

[dim yacht]

yikes

[spice surge]

Nope

[balmy condor]

No

[fiery radish]

thanks guys

new to assa

lul

[iron carbon]

But it's damages and duration per CP
So you can easily guess how many it will do

[tough trail]

what talent are you guys playing atm?

[spice spire]

Whatever someone smarter than me (whispyr) decided

[iron carbon]

Bleed + Fatebound, I don't want to think

[spice spire]

[young dust]

I also didn't find in the guides if you guys macro tea with deathmark

[dim yacht]

also CT doesnt do any upfront damage anymore right? is the tooltip right on that part atleast?

[ripe umbra]

When i hit it with 7 combo points and it has 5 ot 6 seconds left it goes to 23, but with ER goes only to 20

[forest chasm]

is the nightly sims alright? my guildies thinks my sims are way too low, but they are arcane mage and ele shaman so not sure whats right 😛

[slow hatch]

!POISON

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[dim yacht]

so no reason to spam CT in aoe anymore

[spice spire]

When do we use tea

[spice spire]

Correct

[iron carbon]

Oh you count during pandemic

[ancient tangle]

does Outlaw really going to be far superior to the 2 other specs like the fuu sheets shows or is it because of the bugs / simc not being accurate or fully up to date ?

[iron carbon]

Outlaw sim really high, yes

[iron carbon]

Don't

[iron carbon]

But you're right, duration is bugged

[young dust]

so from my understanding tea is when

shiv on deathmark
energy starved?

[royal lantern]

yes

not the deathmark part

tea when you use shiv and it gives 100energy

thats all

[ripe umbra]

going to report then, ty

[iron carbon]

Maybe it's already known

[young dust]

got it, thanks!

[atomic creek]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[young dust]

at any point during the 5 sec shiv window, right?

[iron carbon]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[iron carbon]

We should check damages as well

Cuz may ER get consume but not apply

[pine zephyr]

Guys which m+ guide is more updated (or better i have no clue). Whispyrs youtube video or wowhead?

[spice surge]

Its whispyr in both cases

So they should be the same

[spice spire]

[vapid geode]

what alli race is everyone im tired of being orc, does it really matter for m+

[clever sapphire]

dwarf because stone form

[fringe surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[cobalt bison]

how bad is it using rupture on ER combo point?

[slate crown]

it's fine

it's not bad at all

[cobalt bison]

okay

if we garrote from stealth, should we wait till it almost runs out instead of refreshing it on pandemic timer, or will the new application still benefit from the increased dmg

[spice spire]

Wait until almost runs out

[queen egret]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tranquil trout]

are the sin sims up to date in the spreadsheet?

[cobalt sphinx]

they are 5 days old

should be fine

you can probably also take the raw input and run it again on the nightly build if you want

[errant hawk]

hey @limber lion your plater is update for tww brother? 😄

[spice spire]

Yes

[vast loom]

how high of a prio is using our max combopoint env to reapply marks?

[haughty flicker]

the highest

[spice spire]

Yes

[desert cove]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

Yes

[desert cove]

[haughty flicker]

[desert cove]

[thorn fjord]

[limber lion]

Should be fine yeah

I guess I should ask for a new import so it updates in the page

[errant hawk]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr this one imported in 2023 is fine?

[strong wing]

who the fuck is doing this tier lists? xd

[rotund field]

Whats the best race for assas rogue?

[sturdy mesa]

Prolly the one and only Petko

[normal mist]

the prettiest

[rotund field]

is it Orc?

[normal mist]

orc / dwarf

[rotund field]

Earthen is p shit then id assume?

[normal mist]

yeeeeeep

[vivid crown]

you're better off with no race than earthen

it's that good

[sturdy mesa]

It's whichever you prefer to look at 🙂

[strong wing]

Assa 3rd best dps in raid? xd

outlaw ahead from sub? xd

[sturdy mesa]

ayo i didn't make it man

[waxen oyster]

Who is looking at tier lists

[strong wing]

bro but why is people spreading fake info always

[waxen oyster]

Generate clicks

from dumb people

ig

Tierlists purely exist to generate ad revenue.

[cobalt sphinx]

Windwalker not at the bottom holy

[spice spire]

Big ad revenue propagating tier lists to the masses real

[strong wing]

the only ones correct id say arcane and both druids xd

[cobalt sphinx]

Zamn time to make your own tier list

Pretty hard to tell at this point tbh

Frost is pretty low for the hype generated though

Fdk

[waxen oyster]

Frost is a spec for the casuals who can't play unholy.

[winged widget]

the 6% dmg nerf makes it unplayable, surely. 😛

[spice spire]

Ironic

[waxen oyster]

Or as someone I know put it

[real pike]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[waxen oyster]

"boomers who try to rp as arthas"

[velvet vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged widget]

it will get even better to do it with the new DK set coming in the anniversary

[waxen oyster]

That set looks ok

dreadnaught is best dk set

[winged widget]

50% the reason we didnt get tier 3 instead is because they couldn't give that set to DKs instead of warriors.
the other 50% is so they could launch the pally tier2 remake.

[waxen oyster]

No I'm pretty sure T2 is more hyped amongst boomers.

Than T3

Judgement is THE iconic paladin set.

Not sure why someone asked to remake bwl weapons

Ashkandi got remade twice.

[celest latch]

I have only played Outlaw rogue before, never tried assa but since its so much better RN iam gona give it ago. Anyone have any nice video for rotations?

[cobalt sphinx]

Dreadnaught is peak

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[robust axle]

Lete us know why you think Assa is so much better 🙂

[waxen oyster]

I use tabard of the void now with it though since they gave every pleb frost tabard for free

[spiral gale]

Can't go looking like a pleb

[waxen oyster]

REAL

[wild nest]

trading card items

[spiral gale]

Can't wait for spectral tiger to get added to TP

[vernal walrus]

can someone say me the hunter´s discord?

[waxen oyster]

trueshot lodge?

[vernal walrus]

ye

[gloomy otter]

is there a way just to copy the buff indicator of a plater profile?

https://i.imgur.com/fUy9Xso.png

without the ugly ass plater display

[iron carbon]

Just read wowhead guide

And check Whispyr's videos

And you'll have to learn to stop spammin your keyboard

[slate crown]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793 - This is the wowhead guide author's channel, if you prefer video format

[shy pecan]

If it’s a script or a mod, then just export the string.

[iron carbon]

@slate crown maybe you can help me

[slate crown]

I'm about to be out of the house so only if it takes less than 2 minutes

[iron carbon]

On my nameplate I use a script to color nameplate depending debuff target got, is that possible to have it without the debuff indicator ?

[slate crown]

I'll just say I don't know

Because I don't do plater customization much

or scripting

but like

if it's anything like I expect, yeah you probably can, but I can't provide advice for how to do it

[iron carbon]

Thanks anyway

[balmy condor]

Ow

[balmy condor]

I’d take screenshots of the settings and just copy them over

[balmy condor]

No

I fought with this for hours

[iron carbon]

Yeah, I saw it on your video

[rose kraken]

I know this is more for people askin' questions but I don't have any, I'm new to the spec and a returning player and just wanted to say thank you to the fine folks helping in here and answering questions. ❤️

[balmy condor]

The best you can get is auto-hiding the buff the moment it shows

But then you get this

[iron carbon]

Hmmmmm

[balmy condor]

I have one more cook I need to try but that’s maybe next week

[slate crown]

Glad I could be of assistance to you.

🫡

[iron carbon]

I'll be happy to know if you find a solution

[novel star]

dracthyr rogues furry stocks

[rotund marsh]

which hero spec is is better for ass

[novel star]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[amber blaze]

so you always start from stealth with ambush playing Nightstalker ?

[iron carbon]

Correct if you don't have DN buff

[cinder quartz]

just ask mike hawk

[novel star]

basically deathstalker is simming better in all contexts but has annoying bugs while fb is a lot cleaner and only a few % worse at most

[cinder quartz]

just crit more

[young dust]

DN?

[novel star]

darkest night

ds capstone

[cinder quartz]

deez nvenoms

[young dust]

Oh

[iron carbon]

The buff that make the 7CP envenom apply marks

[young dust]

btw is this another HxH reference just like the legendary from legion?

zoldyck's training shackles if im not mistaken

[cinder quartz]

i mean there is a zoldyck family in wow that is a reference

so like they originally referenced hxh, then they reference the reference

[young dust]

big brain time

[royal lantern]

scalie here

no transmog, no race change

gigantic bozos at blizzard, ngl

[novel star]

fair lol

[cobalt sphinx]

the talent does the same thing as the legendary so it's the same reference yeah

[novel star]

can show off mog in human form ig

[dark token]

who did

this

who tf nuked the entire enchant market by 5k across the board

[novel star]

LMAO

[dark token]

its not even profitable at 10k

this is genius tbh

[novel star]

buy them all and resell

[dark token]

nah

[normal mist]

@balmy condor downloaded plater for the first time in my life, gave your profile the honor.

[novel star]

it’s free real estate

[dark token]

too risky for me only have 2m capital

10k a piece goes quick

you need like 30m to play games like this

[normal mist]

(i really like the deathstalker marks target nameplate being purple)

[royal lantern]

why the fuck would i play the dragon race and then walk around as a frking blood elf

i would play a belf then

[dark token]

visage form > belf

[raven egret]

What kind of crazy take did I just walk on to

[cobalt sphinx]

for the lizard wearing human skin vibes, american government cosplay

[royal lantern]

plater

you dont use it and think "i dont need it tbh" until you download it once and notice how convinient it is

[novel star]

true

[proper tapir]

What are you trying, to recolor a plater when SBS is up but without showing the icon itself?

[runic hinge]

Okay pink name

[normal mist]

no longer pink name

[runic hinge]

It’s there

Just hidden

[normal mist]

somewhere

[runic hinge]

Layer to your unyon

[spice spire]

Onyo

[balmy condor]

Caustic but yeh, was talking to a plater dev but script trigger conditions are filtered by the aura filter so it’s kinda doomed

Is what it is

[past forum]

what are some of y'alls highest rolls on flips? i had a 12 tails going into the last boss of a stonevault and procced it 5 times and just sent the boss to the shadow realm. was kinda funny lol

[balmy condor]

Had a 22 flip during testing

[runic hinge]

My highest is like 14. Feeling unlucky about it tbh

Did a priory last night and never hit capstone

[cinder quartz]

can you make plater debuffs get a size of 1x1 based on aura ID?

[quartz halo]

Is using crimson tempest worth on boss in m+ with the hybrid build?

[limber lion]

Wait I'm confused

[past forum]

i didnt even have cds up for the boss, just went completely cosmic

[limber lion]

What's the issue?

My plater colors SBS/Spatter without the debuff icon

Or kind of

[royal lantern]

no

[limber lion]

It's automatically hidden and put behind every other debuff in the list

[balmy condor]

Yeh the kind of part is the trouble

[limber lion]

Why is it an issue?

[balmy condor]

I tried that too but there’s some auto-centering that happens

So you still get the stutters

Maybe I just turn that off idk

[limber lion]

Is that a new thing or

[balmy condor]

Idk

[limber lion]

Because that never happened to me

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

That is a solution technically

[limber lion]

Like on this screeny I have spatter on one target and it also has the max amount of debuffs

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[limber lion]

Idk

[balmy condor]

I ripped that logic out of your plater and it stuttered

[limber lion]

Maybe tww broke

[balmy condor]

But I try later

Think it’s a config thing

[limber lion]

Do you also have the aura reorder?

Because by default it appears in its normal slot

[distant moon]

which plater profile is this?

[limber lion]

So you have to set use aura reorder script as well

to make sure it's the lowest in the order

So it never appears in front of the other debuffs

[balmy condor]

Nah I got rid of it cause it didn’t help but when I try again I’ll get it

[rich kayak]

Did anyone else not get a worldsoul quest this week?

[limber lion]

my sbs/spatter are both like -500

ah fair rip

[spice spire]

His

[limber lion]

Mine yeh

[spice spire]

I’m a Cev plater simp Unfort

[limber lion]

I think I'm gonna give this WoW a quick go once I get my salary

[runic hinge]

Oh shit. Cevs gonna log in

[cobalt sphinx]

i've been using a plater profile from a dude that doesn't even play the game??

[quiet flax]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[proper tapir]

Most of us don't play the game, we just sim it

[normal mist]

i play the game and i dont really play the game

[hazy horizon]

I dont sim i play

[spice spire]

That’s former Method player that no longer plays the game to u

[hazy horizon]

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[royal lantern]

we had a guy doing logreviews that didnt play the game

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Post rework too

Never even played that iteration of sin

[royal lantern]

tbh, could be summed up with

"did you keep shiv running? did kb crit?"

[spice spire]

Nah I had a few sequencers and a lot of like

Super duper basic uptime stuff

There was a super weird one where kb dropped off milliseconds after dm ended that kind of sucked

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/send-the-logs-send-the-log-files-gif-7419926888397076395

[winged basin]

we kinda like priory trink right? seems decent atleast

[craggy dagger]

hey guys, is this best M+ talents for rogue?

[young dust]

same setup i have

[spice spire]

Priory trinket is decent - worth simming

[young dust]

is sim out already?

[iron carbon]

I guess it's okay cause you see all debuffs. But if you blacklist everything but not spatter, does it appear?

[winged basin]

ty ,3

[spice spire]

?

[iron carbon]

I guess I'll do some more test tomorrow too

[young dust]

i mean correctly tuned for TWW

[balmy condor]

his trick is reordering stuff to the end and then hiding it

[young dust]

heard they were makign a few adjustments

[spice spire]

Ongoing

But loosely you can sim your gear and get a fairly reliable response on gains and whatnot

[iron carbon]

Yes, but why do you need to put it in the end? I don't get how it helps

[balmy condor]

makes it not jitter

[limber lion]

No...

[iron carbon]

Got it

[limber lion]

It jitters because you update the debuff and it appears in front or in between other debuffs

That happened to me too previously

But not exactly like what happened in Whispyr's screenie

looks a bit different

[iron carbon]

Your debuff are centered?

[limber lion]

No

They are in a fixed order starting from the left

[iron carbon]

There's reason they move so

If spatter is supposed to be always the last

[glass fulcrum]

any idea what the best embellishment?

[limber lion]

Pins

[sour oasis]

Hey guys

I see ytb video where people played with 2 vanish

On mm+

Was nerfed ? Why we prefered play with the kyrian spell

[spice spire]

2 vanishes equates to 2/4 extra casts across a 40 minute dungeon

It doesn’t have separate cooldowns

So If you use both in 45 seconds, your second charge comes back in 3:15 from the first

[sour oasis]

Hmm ok

[spice spire]

Not 2 minutes after the second cast

[sour oasis]

So not a good value

Thanks for your help

[spice spire]

Generally no

If you’re super coordinated and will need CDs after a large pull

Could see worth

[limber lion]

Some fancypants use it for utility or whatever

[spice spire]

But 99% of time

[limber lion]

instead of damage

[spice spire]

No

Yeah

[limber lion]

but if you want maximum damage, don't play it

[sour oasis]

More survibality

[spice spire]

Or if you don’t have giga coordinated group

[sour oasis]

I understand that couid be important

Ok thx

And the Ambush

Do you use it at pull ?

Even in aoe

[limber lion]

In the beginning yeah

once

To get the mark rolling

As Deathstalker

If you play Fatebound, no

[sour oasis]

Yeah i understand

But you have to choose the good one

[limber lion]

Fatebound is the good one

because it's not a buggy mess

and you do maximum damage without the game fucking you up

[sour oasis]

Bc u had to back fast on your main target

[limber lion]

huh

[sour oasis]

Maybe it’s because hm mode

[limber lion]

I think you're way overthinking about this

For heroic

[sour oasis]

But when u put two garrot and two rupture

Yeah i think too

But i want to anticipate mm+

And even in mm+ i think fatebound will be better

In fact

[dense cloud]

so is fatebound better than deathstalk?

[winged basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged basin]

look at this

[sour oasis]

In fact i think

Not in theory

[dense cloud]

so its not

aight

thats what i thought

[sour oasis]

Because we can’t deny it

[winged basin]

everything dies in 2 seconds

practical doesnt exist rn

[sour oasis]

Sure

[rich python]

im proper lost outside of the opener hey, cannot hit this sim dps at all unless the dummy is already dead

[sour oasis]

I am’better since i understand that i have to use less the tempest for’more envemom

[limber lion]

Maintain CT is all you do

[limber lion]

Why are we only looking at the opener

[rich python]

opener is fine i just cant piece together the pieces to keep the dps rolling until the next window - so many questions, ie am i saving energy to roll a few envenoms, am i pooling a bit before kingsbane, do i just spend energy as i have it and then pool for kingsbane - watched the hour long video whyspyr chucked up but it seemed to focus mainly on the opener - highly likely i missed a few key points though

[ashen rover]

i rather have elusiveness over cheat death in m+, especially high keys but thats up to you ;D

[sour oasis]

Ct?

[normal mist]

crimson tempest

[sour oasis]

Like the rupture

6 sec ?

Before the end?

[tawny junco]

Will it be a big loss going fatebound in m+ instead of deathstalker?

[runic hinge]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[runic hinge]

^

[ancient tangle]

is it normal that on dummy i can consume a mark with whatever number of cp (even with one) after having reapplied the mark ?

[tawny junco]

Thank you sir

[limber lion]

Yes but not 6s

It's 30% of applied value

Much lower than 6s for CT

Like 3s

Your weakaura should glow

You don't really know if you just look at the glowy buttons

[sour oasis]

Hmmm i think i need a better wa

! wa

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[safe shale]

Yo, just got myself pretty much pre bis, stats and all, currently wondering if its just me that feels slighty energy starved with the serious lack of haste my simcs are convincing me to get?

[empty viper]

what hero talent do we play in raid?

DS or Fate?

[slate crown]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[slate crown]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[empty viper]

oh thx didnt know about that

[safe shale]

Okay, so we are pooling a little more to extend evnenom, gotcha

[empty viper]

should have done it earlier

[slate crown]

!pooling Yup, here’s some more info on pooling specifically

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[safe shale]

Shit, thanks for that :D!

[hushed marten]

Can anyone tell me how much of each % I need to achieve?

[empty viper]

you mean secondary?

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[vernal prism]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[safe shale]

Not a thing, need to be simming, as having 10% of a stat for you could be around 4k, and 6k for me, depends on gear

[hushed marten]

like, should i put crit + mastery on every piece or let some haste?

[safe shale]

sim it bro, but yeah mostly

[hushed marten]

thanks

[safe shale]

🙂

[balmy condor]

Slowly turning assassination into bot spam with all the repeat questions

[normal mist]

^ yes and thank you

[safe shale]

Happens sometimes xD

[slate crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181122276633083964/1224757157484822609/image0.gif

[cobalt sphinx]

You could pin it all and then just tell people to check the pins

Then it becomes pins spam

[limber lion]

We do that already

The only thing that's not a command is what embellishment to use

Ez "pins" autoreply right there

[normal mist]

even that

has a command

kinda

[limber lion]

Pin good

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[limber lion]

Bigger and better

[shy pecan]

I thought we were all bots

[limber lion]

Yeh

[empty viper]

What you guys personally like the most ? DS or Fate

[normal mist]

DS personally

[hushed marten]

!sims

[limber lion]

Neither

[normal mist]

But Fate for now is just better

[lucid meteor]

How so??

[empty viper]

mobs die too fast atm

[normal mist]

^

[limber lion]

Easier, not buggy

[normal mist]

^

[limber lion]

Not prone to as many mistakes as DA

[normal mist]

I'm so hyped for the announcement that ER is fixed and now properly works with Deathstalker's Marks and Darkest Night (SOON HOPEFULLY)

[ashen rover]

[balmy condor]

I made a pin for crafted gear, and then no one read it, so I also made a bot command, and now we spam that too

It’s just doomed

[ashen rover]

im having fun with DS even if its bugged

[limber lion]

Like I can 100% gurantee you there are people running around playing DS and doing less dps than they would on FB just because they play it terribly or don't know about the bugs

[normal mist]

no doubt

[digital sigil]

Looking forward to seeing that in the patch notes by the end of the expansion

[normal mist]

LOL

[limber lion]

They go "but ds is like 5% ahead so why play fb"

And proceed to fail to apply a single mark during a dungeon

[normal mist]

xD

[empty viper]

opening without ambush in DS

classic

[ashen rover]

"but top m+ player is playing without a trace"

[normal mist]

Its gonna be something 100%

I fear for those that are going to have to deal with that

[balmy condor]

Easy 2 step process for m+ players:

1. This hero talent sims higher so I’m playing it
2. Without a trace is utility, fuck the sims they’re inaccurate anyway

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Win any argument with just two steps

[ashen rover]

more stealth !!!!!!!

[cobalt sphinx]

Blizzard cooks up these fun and exciting new trees with meaningful choices that fundamentally alter how you play your class and your tree is just another cold blood

[digital sigil]

More stealth = better gamer

[empty viper]

tank*

[balmy condor]

Technically more stealth = worse tank

For most situations

[empty viper]

i can remember that part of your video

[spiral gale]

ambush? nobody uses that

[digital sigil]

Whoever is fixing our hero talents is definitely stealthed right now

[empty viper]

The dev is without a trace

[safe shale]

Last one... how far into kingsbane is the second shiv?

[empty viper]

8s

[balmy condor]

The last 8

So 6 seconds in I guess

[safe shale]

Neat, think i cracked the spec then xD time to sit at a dummy

[novel star]

i dont really like deathstalker in dungeons (maybe it'll be more fun in m+ im not sure) but i'll prolly run it for raid

i just like assassination so fatebound not adding anything isnt really an issue

[safe shale]

Itll be fun once stuff stops dying after 2 seconds

[balmy condor]

Surely

[safe shale]

There are some parts where im reaching 3mil dps in hcs though

[novel star]

i just really dislike the 7 point envenom thing and also reprimand as a concept

even if it wasnt buggy

but yeh

[safe shale]

Like, the first room of meadery, and thats with bad misclicks

[cobalt sphinx]

Assassination is pretty good for short pulls because sudden demise is so crazy

[novel star]

disagree

[safe shale]

What makes ds shocking, is when you chainpull into a boss, and vanish is on cd...

[regal kiln]

Is it normal that my ER doesnt prock deathstalker stacks when its lower than 5 ?

[novel star]

having your mark already decided from the very first gcd means every possible source of singular focus damage is going to that target

[safe shale]

Feel like i just dont have hero talents

[novel star]

and you arent wasting some bleed damage on other mobs as the mark moves around

[digital sigil]

7 is higher than 5 so it's obviously better /s

[limber lion]

!dn @regal kiln

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[ashen rover]

yeah it pains me to waste cp to force envenom but i got the hang of it now so im just doing it autopilot kinda lol

[empty viper]

!enchants

[limber lion]

!guide

[empty viper]

what you guys use pre raid?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

read the other messages i sent after 4 my reasoning

[regal kiln]

ty sir

[limber lion]

Np

[novel star]

obv that doesnt really apply as much when youre just cycling DN for 99% of the dungeon but still

[empty viper]

the enchant for the weapon is the raid one in the guides , thats why im asking pre raid ^^

[novel star]

your options when refreshing bleeds in that case are either to tab target and move the mark around (suboptimal) or not tab at all and lose IC value (suboptimal)

it would feel way worse

[safe shale]

having upkeep on dsm is low key awful gameplay in hc, m+ it might work, as you can think more ahead and save your reapplies for next pack, but in hc, suddenly a warrior exuctes a target and i lose my hero talent

[empty viper]

or at least make ambush have the effect of subterfuge by default

[spiral gale]

CB talent says "next ability" but tooltip says Envenom?

[safe shale]

This is weird that it doesnt

[patent igloo]

!plater

[safe shale]

Is it a bug?

as i swear ambush should be able to be used in sub

The subterfuge tooltip literally says that abilities the require stealth can be used after existing stealth, but ambush literally doesnt xD

uh, yes

[cobalt sphinx]

uh oh

[safe shale]

No,

My mistake i missread my screen xD

[cobalt sphinx]

you are gonna get in real big trouble if you take that talent point

[slate crown]

If you take Fatebound, there's a point in there which makes CB only apply to Envenom. I guess it updates the tooltip when you take it, may be why

[safe shale]

Yeah ignore me there was in wrong spec xD

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[safe shale]

is deathstalker objectively better in ST or can i go easy mode fatebound and sleep on bosses?

[spiral gale]

just noticed this lol thx

[safe shale]

Ive literally not tried fatebound, but might be worth testing out

oh dont do that xD

[slate crown]

!hero you can play either, promise. The tree that keeps you playing and enjoying your time is better

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[slate crown]

It's all viable.

Unless it's outlaw.

[small wagon]

coin flip go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[safe shale]

ill try fate and see in that case xD

[winged basin]

priory trink and arakara trink acquired, I now own 1 of all the heroic trinks in case of nerfs lmaoooo, call me me anything but unprepared XD

[safe shale]

priory trink? why would you want that?

[cobalt plank]

fix deathstalker , 5 cp from a [Echoing Reprimand] usage

it hurts as hell

[dark token]

2 min CD???

[safe shale]

Yeah but m0 comes next week and youll just have to get it again xD

[ripe rapids]

Is Deathmark not having any interaction with ER intented or a bug? I see it is on the bug list but just curious if it was confirmed a bug or intentional?

[slate crown]

Trickster is good for sub. Trickster and Deathstalker have different profiles for Sub. It is considered good where it's good

[novel star]

i believe DS sims better in all content but yeah they're so close you can really do whatever you enjoy

[slate crown]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[safe shale]

idk my sims show arakara and honey bee trinket

[novel star]

No confirmation but it being intentional would make deathstalker an unbelievably pathetic design failure

[safe shale]

way above the rest

[novel star]

so it's like 99% a bug

surely

[sharp mural]

why is fatebout all of a sudden trendy again ? what happened ?

[safe shale]

bec ds broken

[slate crown]

Is it?

[novel star]

deathstalker bugs and low difficulty of heroic make it not fun

[ashen rover]

ppl tired of bug

[novel star]

for lots of people

[safe shale]

ds would be cool if hc mobs didnt die in 3 seconds of ramp

[sharp mural]

true

might change when m+ are out tho

[heavy sentinel]

Is there a good secondary enchant for weps until raid drops?

[faint quartz]

I don't get what you mean with "but the 3rd cp or something" regarding Echoeing Reprimand

[safe shale]

if echoing procs on ur 3rd cp, evenon with use ds

Thas it

[empty viper]

i run crit , mast enchant idk if its right but its cheap for now

[heavy sentinel]

I was looking at radiant power

Gives main stat

[limber moth]

anyone feel like they have a good keybind for garrote nd rupture. bound to 1 and 2 rtn but feels akward tabbing

[safe shale]

4r

XD

[empty viper]

1 garrote 3 rupture for me

[tired gull]

Rupture has been Shift+R for me since vanilla

[safe shale]

Fake news

xD

[novel star]

my keybinds are so bad

[novel star]

i’ve had the same keybind structure since week 1 of my first toon

[safe shale]

I used to pvp, so spenders went on 1 for easy movement

[novel star]

1 mut 2 env 3 fok 4 gar 5 rup s+5 ct

q/sQ/cQ defensives

it’s not ideal

[tired gull]

Imagine not being able to press mutilate when you need to strafe to the right

[novel star]

but i cant change now

[safe shale]

Spammers need to be on 3, as im using qe to rogue shuffle duh

[empty viper]

mouse 4 for spam is nice

mouse 5 gang

[strange python]

Fan of knives = shift+e

[safe shale]

JESUS

Everyone stop

will make each other sick

and yeah i agree there, rotationals shouldnt be on Shift

xD

[empty viper]

ye

[safe shale]

Thats crazy shift e for fan

[limber moth]

whats a rotational

[safe shale]

I want to watch you play

[limber moth]

i have shift r for fan for some reason

it's terrible

[empty viper]

how you zoom

[runic hinge]

Fan is shift r and ct is shift f

[safe shale]

Mods, can we have a keybind chat ban please before we all throw up at each others keys

[empty viper]

mhh thats not so bad

[obsidian oyster]

Guys which WA you suggest for assassination?

[empty viper]

but i need to watch my b11 ass

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

i try to avoid it but its just hard for me to sacrifice what my brain worms are used to and i would always do shift+5 for PW on feral

🙃

[fiery mauve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

the only other combat button on a modifier is snd but thats fake

[empty viper]

i need that 1% crit obv

[fiery mauve]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[empty viper]

for that crit and enchant bonus obv

[dusty zenith]

are we running vicious venoms for raid ST?

[obtuse quiver]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[cyan summit]

how do i remove some of these debuffs

on the weak aura

im a bit lost

[wraith briar]

those that crafted 590 gear, should i worry about embellishments?

[safe shale]

wild question, rekcon its ever worth macroing tea with kingsbane?.... might crazy take

[balmy condor]

It is not

[balmy condor]

It’s an option yes

[slate crown]

That looks like plater, not weakaura. In Plater settings you can filter

[vital flicker]

@balmy condor for deathstalker is it worth holding Kingsbane for 3-4 seconds after hitting Deathmark to get a few seconds of lingering darkness at max kingsbane stacks?

[cyan summit]

yes its in plater but i cant find the settings , please help

[wet ruin]

apart from just feeling bad, how much of a dps loss is the ER bug for deathstalker? Is it gonna be something noticeable

[safe shale]

Let me try again, as apparently i cannot read, Its probably a fairly decent dps loss atm, as if you think about itm you coukld be blasting 2 extra stacks, per ER, but idk

Or at least... consuming the stacks faster..

[cyan summit]

@slate crown ill dm uu

[covert jewel]

yea, void elf all the way

not even bad dmg wise

[gloomy otter]

is there a huge dps difference between fatebound and deathstalker?

[cunning needle]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[winged basin]

I mean its not like I went out of my way to get em, but spamming heroic for valorstones, naturally led me to getting them all.

[vital flicker]

does authority of storm's nature damage scale with the 30% buff from lingering darkness for deahtstalker and does that make it worth using?

[ocean wasp]

just switched to assa and found out we have 300 energy cap

[glass hemlock]

Need every drop

Of energy

[plucky fable]

hello, new at assa wich is the main difference on fatebound vs deathstalker :o?

[dusty rivet]

What trinkets are you guys using right now, im having a hard time replacing Ashes of embersoul. I have a Sacbrood on and I've been exeperimenting with other trinkets from heroics but nothing feels quite as good

[slate crown]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[junior aurora]

gotta use the candlestick rbo

mage be nimble, mage be quick, mage use the big haste power of the candlestick (to do 3 million dps st)

[runic hinge]

Haste is useless. Can’t even make my gcd lower

[dusty rivet]

I was using ashes for the 10k on use agi, is that not just better than candlestick?

[junior aurora]

haste lets u think faster

the faster u think the faster existential dread sets in and u get to capitalize on that extra psychic damage

[native heron]

that sounds alot like something else that i heard of.

[runic hinge]

Entropy comes for us all

Nice. Didn’t miss my daily existential crisis post in #assa

[junior aurora]

a lot of things sound like a lot of other things because the english language is a collection of words that have been strung together infinite times for infinite possibilites

[proud yacht]

at what target count do we stop caring about SnD?

[novel star]

never

more attacks = more poisons = more aoe from caustic spatter (especially the kingsbane synergy)

[sour patio]

What's a good haste % that I should be aiming for?

[novel star]

youre naturally maintaining snd by spamming envenom when theres nothing else to do

its not like old versions of sin where you would mash CT as that button has no instant damage anymore

[mystic ermine]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater