assassination

[prisma monolith]

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[iron carbon]

Just take rules from these

[rotund oak]

no,with all the equipment i had i was about 8klg heavier

it was nasty

[dapper cradle]

that sucks big dawg, I hope you're doing alright now ❤️

[vital flicker]

does lingering darkness for deathstalker only increase rogue ability damage by 30% or is it any nature damage done by the rogue (trinkets, enchants, ect..)

[blazing badge]

Mine is better, I do them everytime I play DPS spec 🙂

[rotund oak]

was years ago when i was doing field work in the university,im very healthy ty 🙂

[blazing badge]

it really shows you perfect rotation.

[grim jay]

sounds like some sucky hekili shit

[blazing badge]

yeah, but better

cause u see everything

[grim jay]

it can only be better

[blazing badge]

When I have it, i will share for testing

[grim jay]

but rotation helpers are still bad

[blazing badge]

Mine will be 99% perfect

[iron carbon]

I was speaking bout rules, not all the wa ahaha

[grim jay]

[spice surge]

It should only be all rogue abilities, but its bugged and does work on items right now

[grim jay]

I dont think thats remotely possible

[vital flicker]

good to know, tyvm

[blazing badge]

You will have a chance to check

[rotund oak]

im 40 next january and im way more built

muscles and all

[blazing badge]

The only thing it won't do, is check how many targets have your bleeds.

[grim jay]

well he aint about that

[blazing badge]

E.g. if 1 target won't have rupture

[grim jay]

just about his biological age

n stuff

[blazing badge]

It won't tell u anything unless u target it

[rotund oak]

yeah ik,he is just trying to not age,idk what the fear is all about

[grim jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw2H_j81_50

[rotund oak]

makes no sense as a man to me

[solid venture]

R TATI N ADD NS

[rotund oak]

gonna check it out

[grim jay]

hes pretty clear about why and I think its decent, while I personally wouldnt wanna live forever

[iron carbon]

Plater

[grim jay]

and what he did to achieve that doesnt really sound enjoyable

to me atleast

(and I dont have a million to spend each year on crazy stuff that I dont actually need)

[deep wave]

there is a lot more to health than hairline and skin, but he is definitively squeezing stones in his mission

[grim jay]

ikr

but I love people being dedicated af to their own goal, work hard and stay true to themself

[haughty lantern]

I feel like I am going to be getting VERY familiar with these 2 dungeons....

at least Batol has one of my favorite voice lines

REINFORCE THE FRONT, WE'RE BEING INVADED (In heavy scottish? accent)

[pliant remnant]

YUGE MAST BUMP

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[limber moth]

!wa

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[dapper cradle]

wait what happened with mast?

[haughty lantern]

I KNOW, i know sims are the bottom line, always

but out of curiosity, do we have any indication on what 2 of the 3 trinkets will be bis? (Deadeye Spyglass vs Ara-kara Eggsac vs Skardyn's Grace)

[harsh sphinx]

Farming a titanforged spyglass

[haughty lantern]

i mean, it's a 2 min CD, lines up with our CD window, is just one of the best trinkets b/c it's on demand mastery which just like...makes our burst segment hit like a freight train (or so i understand it)

[dapper cradle]

oh I see I see

yeah that trinket looks like it'll omega giga pump

[proper tapir]

Skar Grace is like S+++

[vital flicker]

for deathstalker is it worth holding Kingsbane for 3-4 seconds after hitting Deathmark to get a few seconds of lingering darkness at max kingsbane stacks?

[haughty lantern]

b/c i THINK sin rogue still snapshots? So like....mast dump from trinket, use.....death mark? (whatever the red icon one is), kingsbane, shiv, follow up with basic rotation and watch as your target disolves from the inside

[grim jay]

no

no snapshotting involved

in anything

[haughty lantern]

(I'm still new i don't know how the internals works)

I can yap about BM hunter for over an hour but i'm still here taking notes about sin rogue

REGARDLESS skardyn's grace is stonks. THAT much i know.

[proper tapir]

Until the trinket nerf happens

[haughty lantern]

shhhhh shut the fuck up, don't summon the bad juju

[grim jay]

its just basically all your skill damage 📈 in your CDs, over the duration of the trinket buff. as simple as that

[proper tapir]

It's coming, it always comes

[dapper cradle]

imagine how fat the darkest night envenom will be with skar grace

[grim jay]

snapshotting died with tww

[haughty lantern]

so it's the fact that the trinket gives us a 20 sec window to let all our dots n stuff tick with a beeg mast buff

[grim jay]

ye all the dots and evenom

[bleak plume]

is there any reason NOT to use CT ST?

[chilly pike]

im still confused how the ring will interact with everything (im new to rogue)

[haughty lantern]

"The Ring" ?

[chilly pike]

seal of poisoned pack

[grim jay]

it usually deals less damage than envenoming, so for now you wont use it until there is something new

[bleak plume]

isnt CT more dmg per CP than envenom

[tired gull]

envenom also give you a bufffffff

[vital flicker]

Envenom does more than just the initial damage

[haughty lantern]

i mean....seems pretty simple to me

As you deal damage, get stacks. At 5 stacks, deal damage

except we get stacks faster because we deal a lot of nature damage

[loud light]

CT does more damage (per target) the more targets it hits

single target CT is very bad

[chilly pike]

will it stack with shiv dam increase?

[haughty lantern]

afaik our biggest competition (aside from other rogues?) are both shaman dps specs, and havoc DH. Then behind us are dps druid specs (apparently feral has a talent that lets them do nature damage?) and survival hunters.

[haughty lantern]

what is "it"

the nature damage proc from the ring? probably

[chilly pike]

yea the ring

[grim jay]

item damage typically doesnt interact with our kit

[haughty lantern]

there you have it

[bleak plume]

what buff

30% more poison application?

[kindred breach]

yes

[tired gull]

what ring we yappin about?

[kindred breach]

Which is huge

[haughty lantern]

the damage proc from the ring doesn't, but all of the poison damage (i.e. nature damage) we deal means in theory that we get way more stacks than "the next guy" no?

[west canopy]

!wa

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[grim jay]

I think I've heard the ICD being high enough that it doesnt matter as much

[vital flicker]

it also can proc poison bomb

[bleak plume]

what if you're not specced into PB

lol

[vital flicker]

it also deals nature damage not physical

[kindred breach]

aren't we like giga bis for this ring? Have we any competition?

[dapper cradle]

looks like shamans might be competition

[vital flicker]

there are a ton of reasons to hit envenom

[dapper cradle]

since they do nature damage consistently

not sure what their stats are tho

kinda nice that we're crit/mast

[kindred breach]

yeah you're right forgot about them

[haughty lantern]

so i wonder if it's like...... just rambling here

if the ICD is that low, then the extra proc like...check if the ring stack was activated by nature damage. If nature damage, grant 2 stacks, otherwise grant only 1 stack

[bleak plume]

also CT gives a 2% dmg buff due to being an extra bleed

[grim jay]

there is other stuff like rapid injection and amp poison buffing it aswell

[haughty lantern]

In theory, Assassin Rogue is one of the main contenders for this ring, alongside Elemental and Enhancement Shamans, Havoc Demon Hunters, and possibly both Feral and Balance Druids

[dapper cradle]

feral

[haughty lantern]

and then survival hunters behind that, and BM/MM hunters even further behind that

[kindred breach]

Havoc have nature dam?!

[bleak plume]

Ok but imagine you're playing arterial shock in m+

[kindred breach]

I'm learning somthing here ngl

[haughty lantern]

afaik, chaos damage counts as all damage types, and they do a lot of chaos damage

SO IN THEORY havoc can proc the ring

[bleak plume]

no PB no amp poison

is Envenom + deadly poison applications from the buff ACTUALLY more dps per CP than CT on single target?

[kindred breach]

wow ok I see disgusting broken class

[vital flicker]

yes

[kindred breach]

ty pal

Elem looks our strongest opponent imo they're huge atm

Time to start the propaganda with my guys

[haughty lantern]

like i know i don't know a ton about sin rogue, havoc DH, most other classes

BUT I AT LEAST KNOW INTRICATE WOW MECHANICS (dumb adhd obsession)

Chaos damage counts as all damage types. So DHs get to cheat on specific damage type procs. Fire proc ring from DF? yeah they get that easy. Nature proc ring now? They get that too.

[haughty lantern]

Elem and Enh ye

[tawny pawn]

Bros are you gonna do delves first going into tuesday?

[limber lion]

It's not even close

CT is only worth on 2+ targets

[bleak plume]

is there any math on this

or are people feelcrafting

[haughty lantern]

I'm thinking the priority is PROBABLY going to be like......

Ele Shaman / Sin Rogue > Enh Shaman / Havoc DH > Balance Druids (they do a good chunk of nature damage) > everyone else

[limber lion]

It was redesigned for that purpose

[limber lion]

No

[kindred breach]

Delves loot are higher ilvl i believe so if your lookin to optimize for 1st raid night i think you should

[limber lion]

This is facts

And has been this way for 2 years now

[bleak plume]

are there sims now or

[limber lion]

We don't do feelcrafting in here

Yes

[clever sapphire]

isnt it 3+?

[limber lion]

We don't feelcraft

[limber lion]

Not anymore with Deathstalker

[clever sapphire]

ah aight, forgot about that part

[limber lion]

We literally sim everything

[haughty lantern]

Feelcrafting implies the ability to "feel" things

I haven't felt anything in years

[tawny pawn]

yes its 603 vs 593

[tawny pawn]

chad

[haughty lantern]

too much exposure to atrophic poison

[vital flicker]

hasn't felt anything since you lost the frustration of not having a raid buff

[kindred breach]

Ok and I believe its 603ish in HM raid too so thats a good jump. But maybe waiting for higher cap delves will be a thing too i don't know

Think i'm going to spend half my keyz and hold onto the other half

[bleak plume]

oh cool sims work

[cobalt sphinx]

From what i have read, 8-12 are all 603

[kindred breach]

#cryptobro

[bleak plume]

how to make the sim use CT?

[haughty lantern]

i wish bottled flayedwing toxin was better/bis for us, the flavor of the trinket is just too good for us

[kindred breach]

oh really? ok so its not a thing to hold it?

[royal lantern]

its not better for rogue then it is for anyone else

like

the difference is really really really REALLY small

its not noticable

its litteraly just eranog ring 2.0, will do 1% dmg for everyone that is using it, and thats it

[limber lion]

?

[cobalt sphinx]

That’s what it looked like but you can play it safe and hang onto them

[limber lion]

Spec into it

[bleak plume]

How do i make the raidbots sim use crimson tempest on single target instead of... not usign it

[limber lion]

Read the apl line to see what it does

Change the apl

[kindred breach]

Oh ok i would have thought that it was best on us regarding numbers of nature dam spells we using

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah you’d have to write APL lines for it

[haughty lantern]

afaik a level 8 delve is like the same "tier" as max rewards

[kindred breach]

I'ma keep the previous narrative for propaganda purposes obv

[bleak plume]

nah idk anything about this scripting shit

lol

[limber lion]

You make an advanced sim

[cobalt sphinx]

Copy and paste a low tier envenom condition and rewrite it for ct if dot.remains<=[pandemic window]

[limber lion]

You find the section in the profile that has the line

Then change the line

But yeah no single buttons to make sim press ct

It's behind a million conditions

[kindred breach]

Can't you just try on solo training dummies and then on the pack, then divide the pack's result by 5 ?

[royal lantern]

thats not how aoe works

[kindred breach]

or it is fucked?

[spice surge]

You can also just wait a bit because theres been a couple of bugfixes and apl changes that is gonna get pushed somewhat soon

[bleak plume]

[spice surge]

Especially regarding CT and spatter

[limber lion]

Yep

[loud light]

Well current APL in simc github just add CT to the aoe_dot action list so you'd have to add a new line to put it in core_dot with the appropriate conditions

I imagine trying to actually maintain CT in single target would lead to horrendous envenom uptime

[bleak plume]

im too dumb to do this scripting shit so nvm i guess

[fiery mauve]

CT ST

[deep wave]

the only non-interruptable, non stealth CC we got is kidney shot?

[loud light]

does blind count?

[iron carbon]

Couge

[deep wave]

no

and no pvp talents

[loud light]

lol

[iron carbon]

It's not

[loud light]

confused by these conditions

[iron carbon]

But it's Interruptible

So nvm

Why this question?

[fiery mauve]

Don't most classes have a stun as the only non interrupt cc

Non interrupt in this case probably means unbreakable cc

[iron carbon]

Indeed

[deep wave]

it means stuff that doesnt get interrupted by damage

[iron carbon]

Yes, only Kidney so

[normal mist]

@royal lantern https://www.wowhead.com/news/dracthyr-classes-revealed-hunter-rogue-priest-mage-warrior-or-warlock-346427?utm_source=discord-webhook

[worldly sail]

ok start inventing funny dracthyr rogue names

[grim jay]

cheapshot

[iron carbon]

He ask from unstealth

[iron carbon]

^

[royal lantern]

transmog?

[grim jay]

my attention span is that of a goldfish rn

[normal mist]

no idea, just saw Dracthyr classes revealed and Rogue

[tawny pawn]

My guild laughs at me for playing rogue

[royal lantern]

like

transmog

or gtfo

if i wanna be a shit elf, i have 100000000000000000 Options allready

[native escarp]

am I stupid or does Fatebound not do as much dam as Deathstalker even with the ER bug?

[spice surge]

The ER bug is minor in terms of dps inpact, especially on aoe

It just feels bad

[bold lodge]

who added the nothing personnel blurb to the dagger off the last boss in raid

[native escarp]

i sit 2 - 2.3m AoE on dummies and Fatebound I can hit like 1.9 and then i stagnate at like 1.6

[iron carbon]

Same for me

[native escarp]

i was going to play aff lock until i saw how dog water the dungeons are for casters then i went rogue

[iron carbon]

My friends too btw

[true thistle]

what stats on crafted gear right now? is there ideal setup in stats on craft gear atm?

[native escarp]

sim but probably crit/mast

my stats rn

note: half of my haste is coming from Sacbrood trink

[true thistle]

im wondering on these stats

im wondering if going everywhere crit/mastery will be good

[spice spire]

Nothing to wonder about robot knows best

Me no think

Me use robot

[native escarp]

just sim

because the gear is such low ilvl you will not hit any diminishing returns so

[south lava]

!wa

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[native escarp]

sim

[cobalt sphinx]

stats don't matter at all for almost all specs in the game

[royal lantern]

@normal mist the best announcment is that outlaws can grind the kazzak neck again

[native escarp]

what is this take

[normal mist]

xDDDDDDDD

[royal lantern]

that is literally a fact my man

[haughty lantern]

explain plz

[royal lantern]

lol

[royal lantern]

neck that gives extra fire dmg on auto hits

outlaw scales with green words on items

its a item with green words

[sturdy python]

@balmy condor I just wanted to say thanks for all that you do, I just watched both your 1hr vids and read Icy Veins entirely (returning player after 10 years away) and I managed to optimise my gear and I'm completely pumping, excited for the raid and totally ready, all thanks to you - thanks man ❤️

[royal lantern]

[haughty lantern]

is it WoD kazzak or like vanilla kazzak?

[native escarp]

I mean sure ilvl is clearly the best but stats aren't irrelevant

[bronze marsh]

would assume vanilla

[molten sail]

for a floor comparison point, a good KB without double kriss is around which amount ?

double shiv*

[royal lantern]

stats have way way WAY less impact then most people act they do

[molten sail]

tbh

by taking ilvl over stats

i lost 400k dps few hours ago

[spice surge]

No

[iron carbon]

How come?

[spice surge]

The difference secondaries make are in the 0-5% range most of the time, which is not 400k

[cobalt sphinx]

by taking ilvl over stats i lost 2m dps 😦

[haughty lantern]

by taking ilvl over stats i lost my wife and my 401k

[molten sail]

change youre rings for instance, there's no main stat on it

beeing full versa will lead in =>>>> no dmgs

[native escarp]

anyway playing sub rn is more fun then assa until im allowed to get more than 4 seconds of kingsbane in AoE

[runic hinge]

400k?????????????????

Bro verse is damage

what is that take

[molten sail]

i mean in aoe *

[spice surge]

Yes

[molten sail]

not ST

[spice surge]

Im aware

That doesnt change my statement

[haughty lantern]

i have to wonder, once we get our hands on double DTL (Dawnthread Lining) embelishments, I wonder what sims will start suggesting. Will we be dumping full into mast/haste?

[royal lantern]

what is it with people thinking that SECONDARYS are this giga important thing that makes or breaks you

its literally in the name

secondary stats

[native escarp]

unless you're giga deep into diminishing returns with the buffs up, no

[haughty lantern]

it's all about tertiaries bro

if a dead dps does no dps, clearly i need 30% leech so i never die

[royal lantern]

the difference bettwen "only the "best" secondary stat" and "only the "worst" secondary stat" is still minuscule

[boreal aurora]

Should we have one piece crafted with embellishment or hold for season 1?

[native escarp]

if you want to embellish 590 pcs sure

[spice surge]

You can but embellishments on the 590 ones without a spark

But i wouldnt recommend using your spark

[tired gull]

shouldn't we have 1 spark plus 1 fractured ?

[runic hinge]

the other thing is this is season 1, secondaries and how things scale means we're gonna be on the low end of stats so everything is gonna be good

[boreal aurora]

Yeah I figured it was wise to hold the spark until we are in deeper to season 1

[native escarp]

that's probably the most realistic take yea

its the first season, the secondaries are so low on all the items anyway

[vital flicker]

even at 3 min I feel that dracthyr racials will be busted af for a lot of classes that don't have knocks, this also means that all of those classes will get double jump right?

[lucid cradle]

So im new to Assass, How do people get so much caustic damage? Sometimes I go crazy with it others it does nothing

[native escarp]

kingsbane probably

[lucid cradle]

Was in a dungeon just now with another assass with it popping off each pull

[native escarp]

probably just got more envenoms into caustic target than you, or crits

whats the difference of popping off and not popping off

[haughty lantern]

being on the top of the meters

[native escarp]

[cobalt sphinx]

2 assassination rogues in a dungeon is pvp

only one of you gets SD

you have to put up the biggest bleeds possible on eveything so you win the SD duel

[native escarp]

true

[native escarp]

anyway do u have pics or something

[lucid cradle]

yea 2 sec in dung

[native escarp]

i'd just look at what pulls his did way more than yours and just check envenom casts/kingsbane, those are the main contributors to spatter dam

[slow helm]

Is it just me or is sudden demise not executing half the time

[native escarp]

assuming you both had same uptime on spatter

[tired gull]

in what content

[slow helm]

all of it

[vital flicker]

kingsbane on trash in heroic dungeons is actually a waste though so I doubt they were using it

[native escarp]

and don't forget kingsbane double dips on deathmark also, so i'd probably ignore pulls where they deathmarked and u didn't

[native escarp]

ye

but if its enough to make him come here and post about spatter dmg being way higher

probably the case

[haughty lantern]

it is kinda....scuffed

[grand trail]

dracthyr rogues fly up

[grim jay]

only happens if something else kills them before your bleeds would be strong enough to

[lucid cradle]

he left halfwayt thru the heroic for t rinket but

thats his overall

[slow helm]

mobs with sub 1m hp left under 35% hp not getting executed for like 3 full seconds

[native escarp]

is that urs

[lucid cradle]

hitting 2mil burst

nah

[slow helm]

with garrote & rupture & crimson tempest active on them

[native escarp]

you sure your poisons didn't fall off halfway thru or something

[lucid cradle]

lmao that what is felt like

[cobalt sphinx]

Are you above him on the meters

[native escarp]

hahahaha

[lucid cradle]

nah

[cobalt sphinx]

Maybe he's just playing wrong

[lucid cradle]

he was shitting on me on short poulls

[slow helm]

in an entire normal dungeon this feels very wrong

[native escarp]

but you said he left right

[haughty lantern]

not enough dots

[lucid cradle]

which in heroiucs works

[native escarp]

were those taken with yours at the end of the dungeon and his from when he left

[vivid crown]

i mean, this is kind of an "is it turned on?" question, but you're specced into caustic spatter?

[fiery mauve]

Dracthyr rogue pog

[grim jay]

in normal stuff dies from 50% to 0 with a skill

idk

[native escarp]

[slow helm]

only sometimes in my experience

[haughty lantern]

it's definitely been weird nymph

[royal lantern]

thats literally a normal racial passive wdym lol

[lucid cradle]

the end

[haughty lantern]

me being a nelf with only 1% crit OR 1% haste

these MFers getting 2.5% MAST

[native escarp]

makes it a bit harder to tell then

[bronze pike]

whispy

[fiery mauve]

You could be earthen

[vital flicker]

rogue with a knockback and a knock up dracthyr rogue pog

[native escarp]

i'd need to see same pull from both to even guess what the problem is

[bronze pike]

should we race change to scalies now?

[fiery mauve]

And eat gems for no benefit

[bronze pike]

siince sin is gonna be uber duper m+ meta

[vital flicker]

I would think that 1% crit is better than 2.5% mastery

[vivid crown]

@lucid cradle that rogue's damage looks like mine. bleeds up with IC, mut focus target for spatter, and just fok/envenom spam. DN feeds you infinity energy and whole screen turns into numbers

[slow helm]

imagine having a prio target survive

[royal lantern]

because 2,5% mastery is often less then 1% crit???

[slow helm]

could not be me

[haughty lantern]

IS IT??? (I don't know rogue numbers man)

[royal lantern]

reminder that mastery is "SOME THINGS do more dmg"

while crit/vers is "everything does more dmg"

[vivid crown]

it's not really a priority, you just pick one and it dies, then mut another one. everything should have bleeds with IC

[haughty lantern]

fair, fair

makes sense

[royal lantern]

and haste is hard to calculate

[vivid crown]

DN just feeds the machine

[slow helm]

yeah, i always choose the one with the most hp

it always dies first

[haughty lantern]

the dps in your mirror may be closer than it appears

[royal lantern]

and reminder that there are 3 races with 1% crit btw

nelf/belf/worgen

kinda funny tbh

[slow helm]

especially on my affliction lock, and then i look like a schmuck reapplying haunt & UA on a new target

[grim jay]

@royal lantern how about you level my monk

[haughty lantern]

OH i know this is sort of a moot question but do we know like....what gear slots get what gem sockets?

Debating what gear to make (Bracers vs Belt vs Boots)

Afaik bracers get enchant + socket

Belt gets Socket and enchant? (are we getting another belt buckle)

Boots get Enchant

really idk what gets sockets atm, but those are the pieces i want to invest in

[spice surge]

They dont "get" a socket. You have to actively choose to not take a reward from your weekly vault and instead take an item which allows you to socket it into those slots

[severe bluff]

If I’m the only rogue in my mythic raid guild it’s safe to say crafting embellish on bracers and boots would be best no?

[slow helm]

which hero talent tree is most fun

[lucid cradle]

Ok im out of the dungeon. Yea I assume its just lack of time spent practicing uptime, I assume it had to do with just not keeping splatter up or knowing how the get the most out of it. Some pulls i can get it going crazy but most of the time i loose pr io target and it reall doesnt do anything, My end of dungeon brake down usuallylooks like Tempest top then garrote then rupter caustic

[grim jay]

yes

[spice surge]

Rings and necks get a socket, but you can also buy an item that adds sockets onto them (once the raid opens)

[iron carbon]

I think he's looking for piece he will not have to change so he can put socket on

[slow helm]

lemme rephrase
is fatebound worth playing at all

[lucid cradle]

On TD I get caustic doing all the damage but in dungeons I cant lol

[spice surge]

Ah

[haughty lantern]

Ok but what slots can get socketed? THAT is what I am unsure about

[grim jay]

fatebound is just vanilla retail rogue, tuning still happening for the "worth" part in terms of performance

[haughty lantern]

Ye this

[vivid crown]

spatter can only be on one target, so bleeds up, mut, and then aoe. if your target dies, mut another with bleeds, and aoe cleave from there.

[spice surge]

Helmet, belt and bracers from the vault

[severe bluff]

For pve I believe it’s still only head neck wrists and waist

And rings

[lucid cradle]

so how much time do you spend on the opener spreading?

[haughty lantern]

What about rings or neck? Do they get sockets?

[lucid cradle]

and can ou just spread from one target?

[vivid crown]

i'm playing IC, so none

[spice surge]

Jewelcrafters can make an item which adds upto 2 sockets onto rings and necks

[slow helm]

shame it f orces me to use cold blood

[lucid cradle]

It could also be me being shit at trackjing DN

I need some WAS other than this Luxthos I run on everything

[vivid crown]

if you're not using indiscriminate carnage then you have to choose to either spend time spreading more bleeds or just cleave off your main target. right now nothing lives very long so

the LE pack is great imo

[lucid cradle]

Im running the Wowhead carnage b uild

so I usually just tab spread garrote and rupture till; the window ends then look for my first target and ST off that

[haughty lantern]

ok so we got

Helmet: 1 socket*
Neck: 2 Sockets
Bracers: 1 Socket*
Belt: 1 Socket*
Rings: 2 sockets a piece

*temporary sockets that require item from great vault, get removed when upgrading crafted gear from one season to the next

[lucid cradle]

something like; Ambush, garrote, rupture, rupture off of BS the 2 garrotes into Tempest then ST

[iron carbon]

Correct

I would craft belt and wrist

[vivid crown]

IC smart targets so you can probably ambush garr garr rupture and then go

[lucid cradle]

so I can just spam all the procs on 1 dude>

[vivid crown]

right now at least

[errant night]

guys, a little bit off top. is it gonna be cheaper to buy different consumables and enchants right before the season or now?

[vivid crown]

that's how spatter works

it cleaves your poison damage off the one you're targeting, but only one mob can have it

[errant night]

it's just that it's my first season start in wow

[haughty lantern]

yup that's what i'm doing

and so we have 7 sockets

• 1 Diamond
• 2 Rubies
• 1 Amber/Topaz
• 1 Emerald
• 1 Sapphire
• 1 Onyx

(In a min/maxed scenario)

[bold lodge]

so i get dh glide , aoe knock up, 2.5% mastery as dractthyr?

[haughty lantern]

ahhhh i did not know this. So it's sort of like dump all your dots n shit onto a single target and caustic splatter cleaves 45% of that into everything else

i guess that's why the guide whispyr wrote describes AoE as a sliding scale. The "Default" is to take caustic spatter and dump everything else into ST, no?

[south lava]

!wa

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[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you can just double rupture double garrote the same target if you want

technically less efficient on 6+ targets but you don't need that headache

then ct and you have dn up so you need to put up spatter for the dn envenom

[lucid cradle]

if that sthe cas ethen it makes life so muc heasier

[primal jolt]

just now watching the maximum tww tierlist for classes

didnt know whispyr was a mechianic

gg

same

[sterile violet]

YOOOOOO

[primal jolt]

are all rogues mechanics

[sterile violet]

guys link macros

i need a macro this rogue class making me crazy

assassination rogue

[primal jolt]

theres like basically none

that would reduce buttons

[sterile violet]

anything to make my life easier

[primal jolt]

except cold blood

iirc

[waxen oyster]

yeah you cant macro anything

besides trinket to deathmark

[haughty lantern]

only macro you would have is

yeah, trinket to deathmark

and maybe some mouseover stuff....

[sterile violet]

omg

in raids its easy

dungeons so hard

no AOE

[primal jolt]

idk feels the same to me all around

[sterile violet]

only 2 skills smh

[waxen oyster]

its the same in both

[primal jolt]

try out a diffrent m+ build maybe that helps

or something idk

[sterile violet]

you guys spam Crimson and fan ?

[haughty lantern]

crafting gear with a spark but no enchanted crests makes the gear come out at champ track ilvl right?

[primal jolt]

you can see the aoe rotation on wowhead

[sterile violet]

let me check it out oh btw

[waxen oyster]

maintain 5 ruptures

ct once

[primal jolt]

play outlaw if sin is too hard i guess

[sterile violet]

whats the bis in TWW heroic dungeons

[deep wave]

is there nothing i can use to break cc? maybe at least a root?

[waxen oyster]

spatter on a bit target

[primal jolt]

no bis, wait for m0 and raids

[haughty lantern]

cloak of shadows? IN THEORY you can cloak of shadows before you get stunned (I think)

[blazing plaza]

what spec do u play in hc dungeons ?

[waxen oyster]

only if a stun is magic

[haughty lantern]

ah right

[keen nacelle]

When you AoE, always spam Fan of Knives as a generator? unless you need to re-apply Caustic splatter

[haughty lantern]

depends on target count

[clever sapphire]

assa, as always

[haughty lantern]

THAT much i know at least

[sterile violet]

bruh frost dk so much easier spam howling + oblit they all dead smh

[primal jolt]

play dk then xd?

[blazing plaza]

no..i mean..what assa spec ?

[haughty lantern]

no offense, then why are you here?

[sterile violet]

maxed it already

i wanna jump on the rogue

[keen nacelle]

like 4-5 plus FoK?

[primal jolt]

drop it then lmao

[cobalt sphinx]

just spread bleeds off one target and then spattermaxx

not too hard

[strange cargo]

any prio on our heroic upgrades ilvl?

daggers, chest ect?

[waxen oyster]

mh ilvl then chest pants or helm

[cobalt sphinx]

chest is technically renown

[haughty lantern]

4-5+ yeah. AGAIN don't look at me, i'm still fairly new here.

I think if you are talented into caustic spatter, you should ST your spatter until you hit like 5+ targets and then i kinda just go into panic mode and start spamming

[haughty lantern]

sim yoself

there's a button for that

[errant night]

please need answer

[haughty lantern]

"optimal dps upgrades I can afford"

[haughty lantern]

we ain't the wow marketplace, idk AH ecnomic trends

i just backstab people

[sterile violet]

lmao

[primal jolt]

wait as long as you can, prices usually drop as time goes on

[clever sapphire]

fatebound, i probably wont touch deathstalker in m+ before like +8 keys or so

[strange cargo]

alright thanks for the input

[haughty lantern]

on the flipside, i am doing deathstalker NOW to train my brain

[waxen oyster]

One time i asked my dk main friend about it

[haughty lantern]

am still topping the dps charts in dungeons so whatever i'm doing is working

[gaunt stone]

Has anyone tried maxroll builds vs icyveins or wowhead?

[sterile violet]

hahahah

[primal jolt]

idk i dont midn breath, im just used to it

[sterile violet]

not trueee we can play oblit

plus

[waxen oyster]

for now

[sterile violet]

its easy

[clever sapphire]

ye i dont wanna even begin to bother with deathstalker on mobs that live 5 seconds

[waxen oyster]

Might be slight bias from a guy who regularly calls frost braindead

and play unholy if you’re actually good

[haughty lantern]

tbf as someone who has never touched frost dk, calling in an undead dragon for frost breath drone strikes is one of the best class fantasies

[runic hinge]

3+ you fok and ct

[pliant remnant]

Professions used to make that stuff doesn't decay over time, brother

[sterile violet]

frost dk compared to the rogue its like comparing a normal raid to mythic easy af

[haughty lantern]

DEFINITELY understandable

[pliant remnant]

People sometimes cheese prices right after weekly reset

but usually the prices go down heavily over time

[clever sapphire]

whats a maxroll build

[pliant remnant]

Echo thingy

[haughty lantern]

it's when you roll 6 18s when you're rolling dice for your character creation

[pliant remnant]

ChatGPT guides

[errant night]

thanks!

[waxen oyster]

idk rogue is a chill time

but maybe played it too long

[sterile violet]

yep

[clever sapphire]

ah ye im just gonna trust whispyr over chatgpt

[runic hinge]

[shy pecan]

I think every FDK in the random queues that my friends and I have been doing are like doing 200k and then being like “this spec sucks” and never plays it again

[sterile violet]

bruh when i saw the new raid set for frost dk almost cried ... what is that ... almost deleted the class

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior is very epic in meme content

[keen nacelle]

Thank you!

[waxen oyster]

564 unenchanted blue mh

off the AH

[primal jolt]

like idk bros i think rogue might be a bit harder even with nothing selected

[haughty lantern]

ok but prot warrior is so high APM it makes my left hand hurt when i play it

[gaunt stone]

I only ask because I used maxroll on my lock and when I simmed maxroll builds against WH and IV builds, maxroll came out ahead.... but that's also subjective data so

just wondering if it checks out in real gameplay

[sterile violet]

then i wass like wait let me c what the rogue got clicked on Castle Nathria and i was like hello my new main

[waxen oyster]

Idk i’ve also played havoc when they regularly had over 100% haste

and fury

[haughty lantern]

jfc

[waxen oyster]

fast spec go brrrr

[haughty lantern]

at that point i feel you may need machine assistance

or like a hand brace

[shy pecan]

Who is it written by?

[waxen oyster]

also outlaw when dust gave you like 100apm

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't know if anyone is playing any single target sim builds right now

it's whatever blasts a heroic the fastest

[clever sapphire]

rogue sims are probably the most accurate amoung all the specs and classes in the game, i would trust what gets put on wowhead/icyveins over anywhere else

[gaunt stone]

perfecto?

[shy pecan]

Wouldn’t trust it.

Never heard of the guy

[pliant remnant]

[gaunt stone]

Heard

I just heard maxroll was leaning on Echo for builds and thought well I know Echo lol

[runic hinge]

maxroll is just taking their content from chatgpt which is scraping wowhead and icyviens anyways

[glass raptor]

Do we hold on to crafts or send?

[gaunt stone]

oof, did not know that

[shy pecan]

Wowhead and IV at least have people that are in here talking about the stuff they wrote.

[waxen oyster]

I’d trust a lock guide written by sparkuggz

[runic hinge]

and then slapping echo raiders name on it for cred

[clever sapphire]

pins, but in short, wait

[waxen oyster]

perfecto has been around for a long time but idk how much he knows theory

[haughty lantern]

unless you're filthy stinking rich, i'd wait

[glass raptor]

Im only filthy stinking rich because i dont craft shit till im told kekw

[haughty lantern]

at LEAST until next week. It depends on how much bang for your buck you want. People still leveling up their crafting, mats are still dummy expensive, etc

[spice spire]

Echo rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

bruh

maxroll doesn't have sudden demise

[shy pecan]

Yeah, I figured after everyone mentioned it.

[cobalt sphinx]

it's all raid builds in that case

[waxen oyster]

probably a raid build

[haughty lantern]

like i'm sitting on 3mil gold, and i am still trying to be frugal about my crafts

[errant night]

u answered to me, right?

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure most echo players dont care for keys

[haughty lantern]

WELL both you and miks

[waxen oyster]

outside of their mdi team

[clever sapphire]

i also just checked that, is his aoe build meant to be for m+ or for raid or what is that supposed to be

[errant night]

so the season start 11 sep, maybe 8 or 9 will be ok to buy everything

[spice spire]

Was about to say

Buddy they’re MDI gamers

[waxen oyster]

well

5-6 of them are

[shy pecan]

Like when the echo guys come here to talk about stuff and ask questions, then you know who to trust in terms of guides

[waxen oyster]

most of them likely dont care enough

to spend the time on it

[sterile violet]

xiani teach me the rogue

[royal lantern]

my feel craft

[waxen oyster]

they could push if they wanted i bet

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah but these builds will obviously sim 5 minute sustained better if you are running a raid build

[sterile violet]

AOE MYTHIC ROGUE

[shy pecan]

I’ll feel your craft

[proud pelican]

Does anyone have a screenshot of that gear upgrade track/crest spreadsheet that can send it to me pls and thanks

[lucid cradle]

little better

[proud pelican]

Why tf do I have a coup de grace symbol next to my name wtf is this

[haughty lantern]

it truly depends on your budget, wallet, and what you are expecting to achieve

are you trying to be the absolute supermostbestest dps on your raid team? in that case you're likely to splurge and spend WAY TOO MUCH money on the maximum quality craft for your gear piece

are you just trying to have fun and want a powerful piece? settle for like a silver or gold quality craft and save your gold

are you trying to be uber frugal with your money? wait a few more weeks until prices come down

[spice spire]

Garret 1 Garret 2

[waxen oyster]

40k meme

[haughty lantern]

Xenophobia increases

[spice spire]

Iykyk

[runic hinge]

Dammit I was just about to link it

[royal lantern]

a RH classic

[waxen oyster]

that guy was

[spice spire]

RH is better with the brah alive and well

[waxen oyster]

zerocool before zercool

[runic hinge]

it's so good

[royal lantern]

i love the insane gameplay of

applying empowered dots

exsang

refresh exsang+stealth bleeds with normal ones

[spice spire]

Hell yeah

[gaunt stone]

well they break it out into raid, high M+, low M+ and leveling builds

[waxen oyster]

a streamer did it

[sterile violet]

lmaaaaao

[waxen oyster]

it must be right

[gaunt stone]

But yeah, I'll stick to WH builds

[haughty lantern]

WE TRUST IN WHISPYR

[waxen oyster]

i heard if you untalent iron wire and talent double vanish

[lucid cradle]

holy shit boys

Dont play without action bars on

[waxen oyster]

whispyr will knock on your window

[lucid cradle]

This whole time

[waxen oyster]

at 3am

[lucid cradle]

ive been using mutilate out of Stealth thinking it was Ambush

[spice spire]

Lot of people don’t play with action bars

[shy pecan]

Bring back exsanguinate

[lucid cradle]

and getting literally 0% use of hero talent

[spice spire]

Did you miss the lack of mark?

[haughty lantern]

[haughty lantern]

he clearly missed the mark entirely

[spice spire]

I’m going to hit filter

[shy pecan]

I already did

[lucid cradle]

I thought Iw as going insane with no DM damage

but it turns out im just dumb as fuck

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[waxen oyster]

exsang was legit in first patch of legion

when vendetta could also be 45s

[haughty lantern]

so.....gearing question for next week

do we just farm m0s daily? are keys available? do we grind delves?

[spice spire]

Keys not available

The rest

[waxen oyster]

its going to be seasonal dungeons as m0

so i guess you can do grim batol daily

[clever sapphire]

with kingsbane in his hand

[whole sand]

daily world tour is gonna be fun

[spice spire]

Fun is a word

[haughty lantern]

shit. adhd brain don't like that. I hyperfocus on one thing for 8 hours until i get the trinket to drop.

[spice spire]

Not the word I’d use

[haughty lantern]

trying to do it daily will be a fuckin chore.

[spice spire]

Just one tap it

[whole sand]

yes this was me being a little silly

[spice spire]

I figured

This is a very serious chat mister velds

I’m sorry you did not receive the memo

[whole sand]

im sorry doggo

[spice spire]

[indigo totem]

Did that too, caught it a few days ago, you're not alone. There's a support group, we meet at the bar.

[waxen oyster]

it genuinely wont matter that much since once m+ comes out the following week

[lucid cradle]

Glad im not alone

[haughty lantern]

AA (assassins anonymous)

[cobalt sphinx]

Delves will be the best loot

[acoustic roost]

Do bountiful delves, use your 12+ keys you’ve stockpiled for 603 gear and pray you don’t get 12 cloaks 🙃

[haughty lantern]

writing furiously

spend....keys......

offer blood sacrifice

[waxen oyster]

get good delve gear on your alt

[haughty lantern]

prayge

[waxen oyster]

your main raider of said buff randomly quits

gg you have a new main

[haughty lantern]

but i'm the main raider of said buff (I'm the only rogue)

[acoustic roost]

It’s also the best vault reward for week 1. You get 616 from vault instead of 606 or whatever from m0

[haughty lantern]

explain

plz

[waxen oyster]

delves give a weekly vault

[lucid cradle]

shocker what hero talents do

[spice spire]

Yeah hero talents good

[waxen oyster]

well

warrior hero talents are good

i’ve had slayer’s mark in my top 3

[haughty lantern]

i have to wonder if like....delve vault option will give delve specific loot (like trinkets)

[acoustic roost]

Theres no longer a pvp vault, instead replaced by world/delve vault. Have to do 12 of them for max slots I think

[waxen oyster]

that delve ring that procs mainstat

is an interesting idea

[waxen oyster]

outlaw mains dreading the possibility they will wear conquest gear

[haughty lantern]

the

WHAT

[waxen oyster]

i got a green ring from a delve that procs agi

[haughty lantern]

ok but how much stat does it have

[waxen oyster]

would need to check

[halcyon crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty lantern]

also was it from delve loot or was it a random box

[waxen oyster]

it was delve chest item

[haughty lantern]

hmmmmmmm

[dapper cradle]

is it seasonals? or just TWW dungeons as m0s?

[spice spire]

Seasonals

[dapper cradle]

was it like that in DF?

[waxen oyster]

no

[dapper cradle]

oh word, so it's new

[waxen oyster]

unless we’re proven wrong and every tank is queueing priory next week

for trinket

[kindred breach]

!wa

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[haughty lantern]

or ara-kara

https://tenor.com/view/egg-iasip-always-sunny-philadelphia-gif-11094806

just as an example, broodsac is the highest rated trinket for blood dk (at the moment) just because it's free stats/dps with literally 0 effort

[dapper cradle]

i think it's good for a lot of specs

[haughty lantern]

so, i'm bored sitting in class, just running random sims for fun

ANY idea why a 606 spyglass is apparently only a 0.1% dps increase over broodsac and nimble candle both at 593? i thought spyglass was good for us?

or is it only good in ST?

[winged widget]

Maybe your particular gear favors other stats over crit at that point

[waxen oyster]

arakara is also a seasonal dungeon

[errant night]

i don't really want to spend a lot of gold and buy the best consumables. i just want to get some additional stats in delves and normal raids 🙂

[waxen oyster]

so you will have all season to try for it

[haughty lantern]

iirc i am sitting at a cool 20% crit right now

I'm not asking for like a full sim analysis, as we don't even have access to this dungeon and gear is still in limbo anyway, mainly i am asking just out of boredom and wanting to understand sin rogue better

[waxen oyster]

consumables in delves

Then again they nerfed awakening the machine

for some reason

[whole sand]

i wish they'd speed it up

[proper tapir]

Oh yeah? How far does Empowering Crystal of Anub'ikkaj get?

[haughty lantern]

if you can source most of the mats yourself and/or get a decent price on the AH for them, i would say go for the craft (without paying a crafter like thousands of gold for their concentration)

PERSONALLY in this scenario i'd settle on anywhere from like a silver to a diamond craft. I'm not echo or liquid, i'm not aiming for world first, but I don't like sitting on liquid assets, i like to put my mats into power.

[haughty lantern]

lemme check

just for thos wondering, i have like 20% crit, 15% haste, and like 38% mast

no embelishments, minimal enchants

[errant night]

u mean I should try crafting these potions etc? i don't have professions btw

[haughty lantern]

ALSO simming poorly for me

[haughty lantern]

no i mean crafting embelishments specifically. Concrete upgrades

consumables are based on supply and demand, and price will PROBABLY go down the longer you wait (more bots farming mats, more people getting their skill up)

[errant night]

got it. then I will wait 😄

[haughty lantern]

so, i'm not whispyr, i'm no master sin rogue

BUT based on these sim trends, i am half tempted to think that with double DTL embelishments, broodsac and skardyn's are going to be our 2 bis

[waxen oyster]

candlestick trinket big funny

[haughty lantern]

as a 606 (max vet track) broodsac and skardyns are the only trinket upgrades that are simming significantly as upgrades for me

[haughty lantern]

i akshually have a candlestick (with avoidance 😄 ) right now, so it's the competition for vet track trinkets

it DO be doing numbers

[errant night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNeQdGV5_2U&t=2s

[haughty lantern]

skardyn's grace DO BE DOING NUMBERS (my 2nd trinket is the candlestick, so replacing 2 minute haste proc with a 2 minute mast proc and 13 ilvls)

and ofc mainhand weapon do BEEG numbers

[waxen oyster]

yeah i got one from spider people weekly

isnt that the only source

[haughty lantern]

i don't think so. I do think it is weekly but i THINK i got mine from doing awakening the machine (from the bag you get from turning the quest in to the kobold)

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah all caches drop all those global trinkets i think

[waxen oyster]

it seems an on budget haste on use

with free movespeed

[haughty lantern]

so a direct upgrade of broodsac from 593 to 606 would be ROUGHLY a 0.7% upgrade for me

so yeah I definitely THINK that broodsac and skardyns will probably be the go to?

I say this because with double DTL and passive crit from gear seems to be more than enough for us at this point. (No idea what crit thresholds are if any for assassin, i'm just reporting the numbers i have rn)

like.....all other gear is simple to understand. more number equal better. I feel like trinkets are the only thing that are like.....more complex?

[waxen oyster]

i need like 400 rep with vizier and general

[cobalt sphinx]

honey buzzer clears all trinkets on anything more than 1 target

[waxen oyster]

to make the rep trinket proc 3

dont remember where to get significant rep gains for either outside the weekly though

[haughty lantern]

ok but buzzer has the same problem as the rest of the world trinkets: Item level

this is also why i will always preach the "sim yoself". If you can somehow get a high level buzzer, sim it, it will likely be stonks. but cinderbrew meadery isn't a seasonal m+

[cobalt sphinx]

there's 100 rep from the arena skirmish weekly

[waxen oyster]

yeah besides that

[haughty lantern]

PERSONALLY i am going rare hunting with the darkmoon buff. ~165 rep per rare

[waxen oyster]

isnt it 150 for the other reps

and threads is split amongst the 3

[haughty lantern]

threads is weird.....

[cobalt sphinx]

doesn't even matter when it is bugged and does 10m per use on aoe

if you plan to run keys you need a honey buzzer

[haughty flicker]

Well it’s also 100% not surviving m0 week

[haughty lantern]

threads i THINK is like a.....a sum of all 3 reps?

so 50 rep to each thread would be 150 rep total applied to the total renown?

[waxen oyster]

yeah i imagine spider people rares are 50 per factioj

[haughty flicker]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

not sure if any one item treasures are in that zone

[haughty lantern]

but with darkmoon buff it's 17 per

(also please know that i am a hypersarcastic PoS memelord, 99% of anything I say or emote is usually some form of sarcasm or joke)

[crystal delta]

am i being a bit dumb rn ? or do i only apply deathstalkers mark with ambush?

[waxen oyster]

i did one skirm though and cleaved down both the dk and hunter

only 160/1k honor though

[haughty lantern]

you only apply it with ambush but when it expires or something with it dies, you get a buff that lets you reapply it with a full combo points envenom to keep it rolling

[waxen oyster]

read the capstone

[haughty lantern]

because obviously in a 5-10 minute long raid fight, you only get so many vanishes

[crystal delta]

well i just read it... and i realize that until now i have not been using ambush xD

[novel star]

[crystal delta]

or let me rather say not as often as i obviously should

[haughty lantern]

open every encounter you can with ambush (or at least improved garrote to silence the annoying caster adds)

[novel star]

well without ds you use ambush literally never currently

[waxen oyster]

blindside

[haughty lantern]

imo, improved garrote is one of sin rogues strongest tools, being able to mass silence groups of adds to help the tank out

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

i said currently meaning in dungeons

[waxen oyster]

bleed build

[novel star]

fake

made up

[waxen oyster]

the dps meter says real

[novel star]

a farce

[crystal delta]

the silence counts for the full 6 seconds after you leave stealth tho right?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah so you ambush out of stealth and then have 6 seconds to spread bleeds and silence

[crystal delta]

good 😄 was thinking like that just making sure

[waxen oyster]

or be a fatebound chad

and ignore the ambush

[haughty lantern]

i THINK (as i have been saying, i am not the most learned rogue, don't come to me for a scripture reading from our spellbook)

[haughty lantern]

throw a coin to your dungeon boss

their as good as dead

[rotund oak]

ill be waiting for whispyr's final judgement before raid starts but my money is on fatebound as well

unless they fix ds that is

[haughty lantern]

fatebound is entirely passive no?

[rotund oak]

its not like deathstalker u press something actively

its all about management

both are passive

[haughty lantern]

well so is DS but DS requires like.....requiring an active application

ye ye

[waxen oyster]

only thing about fatebound is you need to open with something besides envenom as first finisher

[haughty lantern]

i will fold to whatever hero talent whispyr suggests with enough reasoning. Tell me why/how i should pick ds/fatebound and i will believe you

[haughty lantern]

so....rupture?

[waxen oyster]

yeah its mostly if your coins fall off

and you have cb

[haughty lantern]

just get a magnet 4head

[robust axle]

Does Carved Harbinger Crest cap out at 180?

[grim jay]

and be able to survive being a coin flipping weirdo

[waxen oyster]

caps at 270 this week

[crystal delta]

whats best racial for us rn btw?

[haughty lantern]

i....THINK all the crests are 270 this week?

[waxen oyster]

more if you have renown bags for crests

those dont count towards cap

[rotund oak]

sim urself but most likely orc for sin

human is very strong as well

[haughty lantern]

why orc?

[crystal delta]

isnt orc for pvp?

[rotund oak]

..

[crystal delta]

im void elf rn

[waxen oyster]

orc is usually good for first tiers

because their ap 2min cd

doesnt scale up

[tawny pawn]

Dont know about you guys but the bleed CB fatebound is the best variation for me, good ST/prio/ good cleave/ good aoe

[waxen oyster]

highest simming race is mechagnome

[haughty lantern]

also a LOT of people are definitely going to gravitate to dracthyr

• free slow fall/wings/pseudo double jump
• free 2.5% mast
• tail swipe/wing knockback

[grim jay]

why are we even talking about dps differences between races, its irrelevant af

[subtle tundra]

it isnt "free" its at the cost of another racial bonus

buddy

[haughty flicker]

Most importantly dracthyr visage form has great hair

[crystal delta]

in a min max universe nothing is irrelevant

[cobalt sphinx]

it matters to some people, might not matter to you

[waxen oyster]

void elf has 50% off transmog

[grim jay]

it is and its an established fact for ages

[crystal delta]

thats an argument

[kindred pewter]

Wait can drachtyr be rogue now?

[haughty flicker]

Soon

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[haughty flicker]

Anniversary event

[crystal delta]

you got your opinion, i got mine 😄

[haughty lantern]

THAT SAID i have enjoyed being a nelf. +1 free stealth.

[kindred pewter]

Drakthyr ugly af

[cobalt sphinx]

it's an established fact that a dps increase is irrelevant?

[grim jay]

its not "my opinion" at all

[crystal delta]

well seems like it to me

[grim jay]

the difference between races yes

[rotund oak]

<<maybe>> stealth

[crystal delta]

its a fact that, even if there is just a diff of 1 dps

[haughty lantern]

stealth-ish

[waxen oyster]

like the actual highest sim race is mechagnome this tier

[crystal delta]

its still a difference

[cobalt sphinx]

insignificant is fine, irrelevant is completely wrong

[waxen oyster]

for all specs

[haughty lantern]

do tell, why is that?

am curious

[waxen oyster]

mainstat

[haughty lantern]

all mechagnome world first raid team when

[tawny pawn]

the real statement is "For the most part, it doesnt matter too much", but there is def differences.

[crystal delta]

i think its not all classes but rather all rog specs

[haughty flicker]

Mechagnome could be 50% ahead and I would still die before willingly becoming a diaper baby

[haughty lantern]

THIS i agree with

[grim jay]

its not because it literally has no relevancy and you will 99% of the time get told exactly that in here by high wr raiders. if anything, you would go for stuff like dwarf and nelf for dealing with defensive things in m+

[keen glade]

every1 except Undead Rogue is ugly , change my mind

[haughty lantern]

THAT SAID there are those glamor thingies now that let you "race change" for an hour while keeping your racials n shit

[waxen oyster]

wowhead has the racial showing at 153 mainstat every 5 seconds, stacking up to 10

as long ad you stay in combat

[crisp stream]

guys as per rotation for ds = Amush > Gar > Rup > SnD > ER > into 2 CP envenom? i only get 2 most of the time is it normal? or should i mutilate for more cb before first envenom?

[haughty lantern]

so after 50 seconds you get a free 1530 mainstat??

that.....actually sounds significant

[grim jay]

you mutilate until 5+

[kindred pewter]

You prob gank Low level people

[crisp stream]

thanks ❤️

[keen glade]

never 😄

[nova aspen]

high res bloodfang

[grim jay]

its pretty bright, wouldve prefered it to be darker

[proper tapir]

It doesn't sim so well, I already looked. It's very mid so people won't play it

[waxen oyster]

yeah basically

theres a june 2023 comment that says 184

and that date is still df

so, unsure

[haughty lantern]

I'M FIRING MY BROADSIDES

[haughty lantern]

the scaleys will

[waxen oyster]

their aoe racials are 3min cd

but i can definitely see priests going drac idk

pretty sure double jumping is faster than running

[haughty flicker]

It is, plus can immune knock backs for free

[haughty lantern]

paper mario ttyd speed run strats

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean

if blizz makes any raid with a knockback

i can see a surge in dracthyr

[haughty lantern]

eating a poptart is faster than reloading....

[haughty flicker]

Inb4 rasz knockback is now the standard

[grim jay]

so many classes can actually just use anything in their base kit

[proper tapir]

You don't finish at 2cp (except for SnD), Mut to 5+ or until you hit a charged CP

[waxen oyster]

not priests

actual wheelchair class

[grim jay]

they can get grabbed by evokers

[waxen oyster]

oh im aware

priest players asking for evoker externals

[haughty lantern]

"who can throw who off a ledge" competition

[waxen oyster]

like ordering a mcdonalds combo meal

[crisp stream]

gotcha, also playing with lethality now since ER bugged, i hope thats the way to go

[teal dome]

has anyone else seen the have broke the tricks focus macro or is it just me they have broke it for

[waxen oyster]

can i get a rescue here

and a spatial here

and a paradox there

[grim jay]

why does it look like monks

have 2 anniversary set colors

[haughty flicker]

Because they do

[grim jay]

do we aswell?

[haughty flicker]

Surely everyone gets recolors right

[grim jay]

surely

I could see them using the actual recolors

like the blue one for rogue

I honestly might prefer the og rogue set tho

[zealous wolf]

what settings to use for sims?

[grim jay]

atleast everything but the shoulders

and maybe boots

[haughty flicker]

I like the runes on the pants

I’ll probably use those

[royal lantern]

the "free 2,5% mastery" is as much free as every single stat racial is

[haughty flicker]

Rest of the set is meh

[dapper cradle]

blue bloodfang high res would be insane

[zealous wolf]

!sim

[grim jay]

issue is that the set doesnt seem to match in color with the t2

the original one looks darker

might just be the screenshot tho

[dapper cradle]

[grim jay]

with different settings

[dapper cradle]

I think you want

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

no he wants to know how/what to sim

[zealous wolf]

omg light version just burned my eyes

[desert cove]

GUYS

OUTLAW SIM GOOD

OUTLAW GOOD?

[grim jay]

they always do

[desert cove]

😛

[grim jay]

for the 50000th time

[desert cove]

[dapper cradle]

yo I got a question is outlaw any good it's simming really high rn

[dapper cradle]

"I don't like it" is a reason lmfao

[grim jay]

I purposefully highlighted abuse or harrassment

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/bfuQS.gif

[dapper cradle]

do we snd with the refunded cp from the first rupture even in single target?

like when we just get 1 cp back

[novel star]

yes

cut to the chase

means cp you use snd at doesn’t really matter

[pliant remnant]

guys is arcane mage any good it's simming really high rn

[keen glade]

mages 🤮

[proper tapir]

You can always SnD at 1cp as long as you're going to cast envenom in the next 12 seconds. This includes if SnD falls off during intermission or something

[dapper cradle]

word, was just wondering where it neatly fits in the opener

ty king

[supple ermine]

what r the hero talents looking like for ass

[proper tapir]

One is purple and emo. The other is gold and coins

[spice spire]

[cobalt sphinx]

fatebound is just passives that you ignore, deathstalker technically better but you actually play around it

[spice spire]

Talents are ASS 🔥 🔥 (they’re fine just completely passive and the play around talent is bugged a bit so we’re praying it gets fixed)

[tawny pawn]

im playing fatebound, unless they fix DS

[cobalt sphinx]

the bugs aren't particularly devastating but they are a lil irksome