assassination

[mint urchin]

I just frankensteined it from a moonfire one so im sure its not perfect lol

[lone lava]

Do we know if Singular focus double dip into Spatter dmg?

[mint urchin]

I appreciate it

[balmy condor]

Caustic damage goes back to the main target through singular focus, but it does not spatter after that

[lone lava]

Yeah ok

[balmy condor]

I have a similar script in my plater that also colors deathstalker marks so I know the pain

[lone lava]

Singular Focus is giga busted then, jesus

The focus dmg you get from that synergy is crazy

[severe sparrow]

I feel like I have to fix my plater to make my marked target more opaque when i leave it to put ruptures out

[lone lava]

Mouseover rupture is the easier way to handle that

[severe sparrow]

Sometimes it takes me a minute to find it, but ig people are also doing gigapulls rn so maybe ill suck less later

Yeahhhh i considered it but

I fuck my mouseover kick occasionally cuz the nameplates jiggle a lot with my current settings

[balmy condor]

I mean the vast majority of singular focus is still just bleeds

[severe sparrow]

I had been thinking to swap to more focus kicks

[balmy condor]

Caustic spatter is nice but it’s in no way ridiculous

[wooden kiln]

Hi everyone, sorry for disturbing you guys, but I have a lil question

I saw somewhere that we could put 2 talents points in lethality instead of taking reverb cuz of the bug with echoing reprimand + deathstalker, but all the guides still put only one point in letha and take reverb, is it just in case it gets fixed? Or reverb is still better anyway?

[slate crown]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[slate crown]

You are doing it correctly.

[wooden kiln]

Ok so guides are just written as if it gets fixed
Ty a lot

[rare jackal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[iron valve]

anyone know why I'm seeing Flensing Knives damage on training dummy?

[balmy condor]

Cause game is working as intended

[lapis depot]

Hey quick question, on single target im often energy starved, will this be better with higher haste or do i missplay? 😅

[silk bane]

sins not a fast paced spec, energy management is a part of it. its probably not a haste issue, but rather spamming gcd's issue

[lone lava]

Just keep Envenom buff up and be under 50% energy is your main concern in ST @lapis depot

If you play Deathstalker*

[coral agate]

Woah...was there a hotfix for ER to work with DM?

[stoic urchin]

hi, is it a bug that eviscerate extends SnD on assa rogue? i thought only envenom should do it

[lapis depot]

Yeah i play deathstalker, okay so i assume i f... something up

[coral agate]

O_o how do you have Evis as Assassination? Are you below the level for Evenom?

[round nexus]

Why under 50%?

[stoic urchin]

yeah

[stoic urchin]

oh, lmao

last time i've played rogue was Wotlk 10+ years ago

[lone lava]

You are not able to keep efficient Envenom uptime if you let Sanguine blades drain your energy

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

its a passive for all specs now

[glossy grove]

did you guys craft already something=?

[limber lion]

Nah

[main agate]

can someone dummy explain sudden demise for me? just played with a rouge in a dungeon, his SD procced way more often then mine? am i doing something wrong

[subtle tundra]

it did cause he is more geared

[main agate]

He was 557 im 584

[subtle tundra]

so his dots do more dmg -> procs first

[normal mist]

If one procs and kills the mob, the other can't

[subtle tundra]

well then youre not bleeding enough

maybe he is bleed build and youre not

[main agate]

garrote + rupture + crimson tempest?

[glad cliff]

Should I hold Vanish for Deathmark always? When I have all cds vanish is about to come in 10-12 secs and feels weird to wait those 10 sec. Should I use that vanish later?

[limber lion]

You should just hold and use them together

It's completely fine to wait

[strange python]

could you explain your opener once you see +5 mobs

[glad cliff]

i was also thinking on waiting but when I sim the bot sends all cds without waiting and it confuses me why

[main agate]

Garrote - get 6/7 combo points , rupture, garrote the last 2 mobs and ruptore does

then FoK and CT

[normal mist]

Then you garr garr rupture garr rupture?

[distant moon]

I noticed too, this should´ve been removed no?

[main agate]

Garr - Multi - Rup - Gar - rup

[normal mist]

Why do you muti?

[main agate]

extra bleed instead of stacking double gar

[normal mist]

muti bleed?

[proven jasper]

U def want to double gar

[obtuse ruin]

is recuperator talent working now?

[normal mist]

i believe not

@main agate

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#fatebound-aoe

[main agate]

so switch multi out with garr

[normal mist]

yeah because that one mutilate is useless

also, you can just double rupture

back to back

Garr garr rupture rupture and add more Garr if necessary

[red wolf]

keep in mind the sudden demise damage itself being so high currently is just because we're in low content where mobs have no health

[royal lantern]

beeing above 50% energy mostly means you are not using enough abilitys

deathstalker really wants you to use abilitys

[red wolf]

the talent is basically just "your bleeds do more damage and you lose less potential damage when they die and you have a bunch of time left in bleeds"

[royal lantern]

above 50% = use abilitys asap

bellow 50% = keep envenom buff running and play more conservative so you dont run dry, just slam abilitys again if you go above 50%

[limber lion]

The sim either sends or holds depending on the fight length and other conditions.

If it knows it can get an extra cast off before the fight ends by instasending, it will do that

If it doesn't lose out on a cast by syncing, it will sync

Generally for a mere mortal, it's easier to just sync stuff unless you're giga sure of timings

[copper radish]

Do you think Fatebound or Deathstalker is stronger overall?

[limber lion]

Sending is also fine, it's not that big of a deal

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[limber lion]

Deathstalker is stronger but asscheeks to play

[limber lion]

I like how this command doesn't even specify which one is the better one lol

[glad cliff]

i started playing assa this week, i'll probably hold then. i thought that was a dps gain to have improved garrote during all deathmark

[limber lion]

It is if you won't miss out on a cast, right

[main agate]

suddenly went from 1.1m total

to 1.5m

cause double garr

[royal lantern]

mate

[normal mist]

Yeah using the right openers and pressing the right abilities does make a significant difference

[royal lantern]

what numbers are you looking at lol

[balmy condor]

that's on purpose

[limber lion]

You say that, but it kinda doesn't for our spec

lol

[limber lion]

Yeh figured

[normal mist]

he was mutilating on the opener

[royal lantern]

whisp hiding the REAL numbers once again smh my head

[normal mist]

before rupture

it does make a difference

[limber lion]

Trolling doesn't count

[normal mist]

[main agate]

my sudden demise procs way more often now aswell

[limber lion]

The talent that procs from bleeds

procs more when you use more bleeds

Damn

That's crazy

[main agate]

same amount of targets is garroted.

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

and when you don't have a second rogue that's outgearing you

[main agate]

the other rogue wasnt outgearing me 😄

[normal mist]

the problem was the opposite

he had a lower geared rogue stealing his S.demise

[limber lion]

Wait Royal said you weren't garroting but now you're saying everything is garroted?

[balmy condor]

I mean that could just be timing issues

[limber lion]

Who do I believe in this world

[balmy condor]

but yeh

[main agate]

My opener was - Gar - Multi - Rupture - Gar Rupture on 5 targets

[crisp reef]

does anyone know what % of damage do we lose when spreading bleeds without changing targets?

[balmy condor]

feels like this gonna have to be yet another command isn't it

[limber lion]

That's fine

I mean it's not super optimal but yeah that's fine

[balmy condor]

depends on target count, but not a lot

[limber lion]

Using Mutilate there kinda serves no purpose

[fathom valve]

does anyone know what is generating combo points after finishers as ass? (fatebound)

[crisp reef]

thanks

[limber lion]

SBS

Serrated Bonespike

[fathom valve]

not using it

[balmy condor]

[vagrant pawn]

not sure if I like the fate or deathstalker rotation more.... I really like how simple the fate rotation is... but then again I like the lil minigame w/ combopoints that echoing gives lol

[red wolf]

what's the question exactly? Like spreading bleeds without IC or

[fathom valve]

im still questing, chill xD

[crisp reef]

with ic

[balmy condor]

not using mouseovers etc to make sure you're not double bleeding things

[red wolf]

ahh

[balmy condor]

no I'm confused how you're getting cp back without bone spike

[fathom valve]

exactly!

[balmy condor]

that's the only thing it could be

[fathom valve]

i've searched and searched

[limber lion]

Let's see the talent tree

Link it right now

[red wolf]

oh I thought he said talents instead of targets lmao

[fathom valve]

am i allowed to post images o.O

[limber lion]

Yes

[normal mist]

damn

thats kinda cursed

[balmy condor]

I have no clue where your cp are coming from

[fathom valve]

bruh, im literally killing questing npcs, not optimizing for mythic

[normal mist]

what level are you?

[strange python]

Doesn’t explain the combo points tho does it?

[limber lion]

And now

[balmy condor]

who gives a shit about the tree

[limber lion]

Let's see you use a finisher and get CP back

[fathom valve]

uh, standby

going to dummy

[strange python]

I’ll go crazy during this standby

[normal mist]

I was watching crunchyroll while hitting the AoE dummies for a while, missed some timers and CDs alignments

Thats a full anime episode of me hitting the dummies LOL

[limber lion]

Brother you don't watch Crunchyroll

You use Crunchyroll to watch something else

Are you too embarassed to say what it was

[normal mist]

One piece

[limber lion]

Based

[proven jasper]

[crystal delta]

So do i go amppoison or deadly + instant?

[limber lion]

Did they release a new episode

Or was it SP shit

[normal mist]

Currently at EP 858

[limber lion]

Oh you're so far away, fair enough

[normal mist]

cake islands

[limber lion]

Amp + Deadly

[limber lion]

Whole Cake Island yeah

[red wolf]

use the poisons you talent into

[dire slate]

New. Last week was TB

[limber lion]

That arc was a bit of a drag for me personally

[normal mist]

without many spoilers i can tell you that a whole ass CAKE is being cooked

so you know where i am

a second one

[limber lion]

Oh nice, manga's on a break this week

[limber lion]

Very nice

Just gotta push through it

Wano's waiting

[red wolf]

so deadly always, plus amp if you take that and dragon tempered blades for lethals, then either atrophic or numbing always then crippling with dtb

[normal mist]

IM SO HYPED

I miss zoro

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[normal mist]

too many eps without him

[limber lion]

Yeah Wano has some nice dishes for the boy to cook

[normal mist]

I've been spoiled several times

[uncut knot]

Hey guys, new to assa here (stop playing it end BFA), just dinged 80 and trying to buy gear at AH, i see in pinned comments that there is crit is as good as mastery, is this still accurate ? or do i need to hit a haste cap ? ( crit = mastery >= haste > vers)

[normal mist]

so i "know" what happens

[limber lion]

There is no haste cap

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[limber lion]

Stats do not matter

Just get high ilvl

[limber lion]

Ouch

[dapper knoll]

Hey, just getting in assa, thanks for all the community content. Just playin the spec I do understand how "Echoing reprimand bug" affect greatly the Deathstalker playstyle. So it is still viable ? Or viable with some other talent ? Or is it advised to play Fatebound waiting for thing ? 🙂
+bonus question, any Fatebound flip WA advised ? 😄 Cheers !

[limber lion]

Play 2/2 Lethality

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[normal mist]

You fast as fuck boy

[limber lion]

Any WA that tracks the coin is fine

[normal mist]

was still reading it

[limber lion]

heh

[normal mist]

Atm both are okayish. If DN interactions with ER get fixed, DN pulls ahead a bit more

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[limber lion]

DN pulls ahead?

Deez Nuts

[normal mist]

LOL

Cev, any anime / manga (with anime) you recommend? I'm watching Slime, Vinland and OP atm

[limber lion]

Sounds like a very shounen taste

Honestly, it kinda depends what sort of stuff you're into

And what you've seen in the past

[normal mist]

The list is big and i'm bad with names

[misty torrent]

does shadowmeld work in combat?

[normal mist]

yes

BUT

If you want to shadowmeld - stealth, you can't do that in BOSS fights

only on trash pulls

and even then it might not work

[fathom valve]

alright, have instant replay running and recording here in a second. need to rewatch and post timestamps

[limber lion]

I'm personally looking forward to the new Bleach season once it drops.

Have you seen the other mainstream big animes? Like Naruto (Shippuden), FMA:B, AOT and so on?

JJK? BNH? Demon Slayer?

[normal mist]

All of those, yes

Boruto was a mistake

change my mind

[limber lion]

It has its moments

[normal mist]

i did not see bleach tho

[limber lion]

Momoshiki fight was fucking amazing

[misty torrent]

Oh how come? But it works in PvP?

[normal mist]

sometimes

[normal mist]

YES

[limber lion]

It's the highest viewed scene in any anime on Crunchyroll's Youtube page

Other than openings

Solid 68m views

[misty torrent]

Sometimes seems kinda sus

[normal mist]

if your question is pvp related, go to #pvp and ask Trickz

[limber lion]

Yeah it's a bit old and hasn't aged super well and most arcs are a mess, but it has some really great moments as well and some of the reveals in the story are great.

[normal mist]

the past ones i've seen were: shangri-la frontier, mashle, SAO, SLeveling, 86, re:zero, Black clover, and the list goes on

[fathom valve]

too large to upload, but it seems to be coming from fatebound coin (tails) after rewatching

[noble willow]

Does crippling poison count towards Lethal Dose talent?

[limber lion]

Wut

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yeaaah

How about No Game No Life

[normal mist]

YES

[limber lion]

Pretty chill one

[normal mist]

seen it

[iron valve]

yes, but most bosses are immune to slows

[balmy condor]

do you have a log

[red wolf]

It just relies on a lot of factors like if something randomly triggers you back into combat in between melding and stealth, etc so is generally inconsistent

[royal lantern]

the poison is still applied

it just doesnt do anything

but it works

[iron valve]

oh, TIL, thanks

[fathom valve]

let me enable and look

[slate crown]

Did you get parried?

Sorry if it was already asked, didn't read through the whole history

[fathom valve]

nah, behind dummy

also, what gives combo points for being parried

[slate crown]

finishers

it doesn't give them

[iron valve]

maybe someone gifted you a combo point

[slate crown]

it's that your finishing move doesn't go through

so you retain/refunded your cp

but it can seem like you are getting free CP, even though you aren't really

(Though fun fact an envenom that gets parried still gives you the envenom buff for the appropriate duration)

[lapis depot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[strange python]

are you fatebound? maybe deal fate

[fathom valve]

@balmy condor it's fate intertwined, critting with envenom is giving me a combo point

[strange python]

how the fuck does that work

[iron valve]

🧑‍🔬

[fathom valve]

wait

[limber lion]

Surely not

[fathom valve]

it's when the fatebound coin tails crits

which is why double jeopardy has given me two before

because both tails crit

[strange python]

so if it crits it’s 3 per tails, and you rolled twice?

[fathom valve]

nah, it's not fate intertwined, it's just when a tails crits i think

lemme keep looking

[limber lion]

Let's see the log

[iron valve]

just repro'd two tails crits giving two CP (used slice and dice to trigger), but I don't have my full log on ._.

[fathom valve]

the question is bug or unnoted change?

seems kinda crazy strong

free combo points gud, from what i've heard

[balmy condor]

the question is can I have a log

[strange python]

i doubt it’s unintended, just probably weird interaction

[limber lion]

Very cool

[fathom valve]

gotta be a bug lmao

[next dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

yes it's a bug

can I get a log

[bronze pike]

No

[strange python]

lumberjack:

[balmy condor]

just one log please sir

[proven jasper]

No log for u

[bronze pike]

I can tho, express my dislike about iron wire

[fathom valve]

you can have a text file of my log, uploader isn't recognizing the text file

[balmy condor]

at this point man

that works for me

[strange python]

careful whispyr it’s probably a bait to install eighteen viruses on your computer

[red wolf]

disliking iron wire? this should be good let's hear it

[fathom valve]

can i go back to finishing my campaign now xD

[bronze pike]

Campaign is pretty good ngl

[strange python]

actually that’s genius hold on i might try that somewhere else

[bronze pike]

Tww cooked

[gilded bone]

hello guys is there anyway to see which mobs have true sight except for blue thingy above their heads ? like a plater buff or something ? thanks

[balmy condor]

ye it works thanks

I got it from here

[fathom valve]

im sorry to have derailed everyone with the weird thing i noticed ._.

[balmy condor]

it's a good find

I just can't do anything without having something to point at

[vivid crown]

i am not sold on the honey buzzer being as good as the sim says it is

but also maybe i'm just dumb

[balmy condor]

its okay I'm not sold either

[proud salmon]

wait so with fatebound there's no way to guarantee the capstone in your opener?

it's rng

[fathom valve]

uh.... you can get to 5 and then guarantee 🙂

[bronze pike]

Don’t be sorry for having help find bugs for the spec

[proud salmon]

so you're holding cold blood till you're at 5?

[spice surge]

No

[limber lion]

No

Send everything

[proud salmon]

and then pray

?

[spice surge]

Youll very likely get it before next KB either way

But yes

[late surge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

Theres no way to guarantee it

[strange python]

its more likely when you get to the envenom part of your rotation, less likely if you have to use crimson tempest or the like

[proud salmon]

i see

[left radish]

Hello. Following scenario: You chain pull from pull 1 into pull 2 and you can't Stealth, what do you do first? Rupture 5 targets or try to get 7 combo points to apply your deathstalker mark on a target?

[limber lion]

Throw out few Garry's and a Rupture and then the mark

[fathom valve]

we flip coins here, sir

[limber lion]

You want some energy regen before you start slamming Envenoms

[balmy condor]

well

technically mark is highest prio

the rest is still accurate though yeh

[limber lion]

Yikes

[runic hinge]

first things first, i cast shadowmeld

[red wolf]

which works every time, obviously

[tall jay]

waht is a good addon that hides the ojectives etc or like mouseover etc that it shows up

[left radish]

Even though I might run into the possibility of getting unlucky with combo point generation and therefore having no energy left? I mean Thistle Tea is always an option. Is that enough?

[strange python]

i think the hope is that something with rupture dies earlier than other mobs in the pack

[left radish]

True, I forgot about that. That's a possibility as well to regen some energy

[balmy condor]

yeh whenever you're chaining you should always have ruptures on the last pack to move you into the next pack

energy should never be a problem

[left radish]

Alright, thanks for the advice guys!

[novel storm]

Do we pop Er on cd in m+?

[balmy condor]

in everywhere yes

[novel storm]

And we use those 3 and 4 animacharged points for finishers yeah? We dont force all finishers on 5+ ?

[twin sparrow]

is assa still better than outlaw for raids?

[balmy condor]

if you land on a blue cp you finish yes

[balmy condor]

generally yes

[novel storm]

Understood, thanks man

[heavy sentinel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[quaint dragon]

What are bis trinkets atm?

[near canyon]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[normal mist]

Heroic gear doesn't really matter

[indigo elk]

outlul simming so high now? @@

[spice surge]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[shrewd blade]

does sudden demise behave diffrent when 2 rogues are in one run i swear me and this guy had similar rupture and garrote uptime but his sudden demise was doing his 2nd most dmg mine was like 7th

[sharp viper]

his sudden demise got the kills so yours didn't even proc

[hexed frost]

It should do 2nd most damage anyways

[subtle tundra]

think about it logically, if it kills the target

and one of the two procs

what happens to the other?

THATS RIGHT

it doesnt!

[novel horizon]

Anyone else having trouble with dungeon finder? Been sitting in que with a friend for an hour, we've requeued 3 different times

[hexed frost]

Improved garrote uptime and crimson tempest heavily influence demise damage

[shrewd blade]

oh thats so silly lmao

[subtle tundra]

how is that silly

[ashen rover]

cucked by fellow rogue

[pale haven]

hello hello

I uh

[normal mist]

[tall atlas]

is DS ahead in all enviroments

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[tall atlas]

ty bby

[spring socket]

what 2 trinkets am i wanting from heroics?

[normal mist]

Ilvl

[vivid crown]

in a perfect world probably sac and crystal

[normal mist]

Don't worry about trinkets you'll replace once m0 / raid opens

[lavish pine]

|WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[normal mist]

What truly matters is when m+ starts

Our bis trinkets come from there

Grim batol and boralus one

[novel star]

mid midol and mid of midalus

[normal mist]

I'm actually happy that our trinkets are this simple

Mastery on active, CRIT on passive

[novel star]

they’re chill yeah

just complaining about the dungeons

[normal mist]

No idea how grim batol will be

[novel star]

i like the 2 sl ones a lot but the other 2 are stinki

[normal mist]

Boralus isn't THAT bad

[novel star]

it’s not the end of the world but like freehold is just better

[normal mist]

True

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

[novel star]

and the bosses r kinda annoying iirc

[turbid harbor]

necrotic wake is an odd choice of sl dungeon

[novel star]

it’s one of my favs so i’m okay with it

i like the other green sl one more tho

[iron valve]

my only memory of boralus is it being a chaotic clustertruck

[turbid harbor]

clearing dungeons with items is cringe imo

[novel star]

slime boss at da end

[turbid harbor]

plaguefall

[novel star]

apparently they nerfed them significantly

if i remember the quazii video correctly

so it’s fine probably

[novel star]

yeah that one rules

[pure moth]

Still bad

[novel star]

sl dungeons were bangers across the board tbh

that expansion kinda ruled if they had like the df/tww qol systems in it

sanguine depths my beloved

[tall atlas]

which darkmoon card are we buying if any

[proven jasper]

De other Side would like to speak to you, had multiple nearly 2 hour long dungeons in there pugging

[slate crown]

Boralus (the city) is pretty good

[proven jasper]

What a time

[patent bolt]

soooo whats a good sim atm for sin?

[acoustic roost]

Only if you need ilvl to get into heroics

[novel star]

forgot that one even exists

so i’ll take ur word for it

[proven jasper]

Admittedly it was good, just a ballbuster

[copper radish]

Where should I take build from? icyveins or there is sth better?

[royal python]

Anybody else agree that way too many sin simps now after videos on it's really good

[acoustic roost]

Wowhead. Check #assassination-faq

[normal mist]

What videos

[royal python]

Youtubes

[normal mist]

Our AoE DMG is good yeah but our single target isn't anything special

[marble hemlock]

Whispyr and I typically compare notes to ensure the same info is found on both sites, so whichever you prefer works.

(As in, he sends me his notes most of the time and I feel bad about it)

[lapis depot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[grand trail]

nice 🙂 14 hallow

[normal mist]

Damn

[hexed frost]

Apart from the hc gear at 21 I think, any other advantage of renown maxxing?

[marble hemlock]

profession knowledge at some earlier stages

but thats pmuch it

[hexed frost]

Cool

Still at 8 for all, renown grinding is boring

[marble hemlock]

well its not really grinding

just doing all sidequests and stuff

[normal mist]

That gets you to 9 renown max

[grand trail]

that 14 is good it give you extra key and proff KP

[marble hemlock]

nah, you can get more, at least people in my guild have who just did all the side shit

they got to like

11 on some

some might be easier than others ofc

[hexed frost]

I'm getting pissed by losing deathstalker marks when the target dies instantly by envenom with darkest night.

Any fixes for this?

[normal mist]

I did EVERYTHING and I'm at 9

On all 4

[little tulip]

i just got world quests today and got a key instead of adventure gear

evil

[marble hemlock]

built diff

[grand trail]

i did not do everything and im 14

[dark token]

ive done every side quest every wq and rare famred weekly

and im onyl on renown 10 all

so 11 is hardcore

[normal mist]

I literally don't have a single quest in the game to do (tww)

[marble hemlock]

thats because youre weak

[pale badger]

is deathstalker bugged ?

[dark token]

yes

you should ask more specifically

[little tulip]

i did isle of dorn to full exvept for 2 chains for sojourn

[marble hemlock]

@normal mist you like siege of boralus, so thats your punishment

[normal mist]

LOl

[pale badger]

should i play fatbound then ?

[little tulip]

bag on the road and some poster on the wall lmao

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[dark token]

fatebound also bugged

[marble hemlock]

just level 10 characters to 80 and get delve keys and use them on alts for renown

[dark token]

rogue also bugged

[marble hemlock]

totally not degen or anything

[dark token]

trickster also bugged

[normal mist]

My highest alt is lvl 76(?) just from mining and gathering

[little tulip]

nah like it'ts beautiful except for foliage reflections on water

fucking hell madness

[pale badger]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[copper radish]

How should I be using blind in dungeons?

[dark token]

aoe stop

[normal mist]

To AoE cancel casts

[little tulip]

save tank

[copper radish]

oh, really useful then, thanks

[little tulip]

yeah

[pale badger]

how tf can we play rogue then

if it is all bugged

[vale shore]

If bug-free is the only way you play any game, I have bad news for you

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[balmy condor]

never link that shit again thanks

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[acoustic roost]

Press your buttons idk

[normal mist]

Lol

[little tulip]

cool but damn actually tree fiddy moment

[balmy condor]

bugged doesn't mean unplayable

you can play it fine

[normal mist]

It's not that bad

[little tulip]

yeah like it's whatever direct x wow is running on according to source engine wizards

[glad cliff]

can i proc improved garrote with night elf racial?

[little tulip]

can't fix it, so evil 🙂

[balmy condor]

if you go into stealth after casting the racial yes

[glad cliff]

is it a big dps gain? or i can stay dwarf

[normal mist]

Almost nothing

[zealous wolf]

which is like 50% chance you wont get it, atleast in my exp, idk if its bugged or i get hit by something

[normal mist]

AoE stuff man

[balmy condor]

a slight breeze will knock you out of meld

[zealous wolf]

on bosses it never works

[balmy condor]

yeah

[little tulip]

i swear to god

[normal mist]

Isn't supposed to

[balmy condor]

that's intended

[little tulip]

tree fiddy joke

i'm sorry it's really really good like 🙂

[normal mist]

What is?

[little tulip]

about three fiddy

[normal mist]

Oh yeah looks good

[little tulip]

yeah like having some fucked up directx and a half kept people safe from ring zero madness and stuff

but no reflections or get unstealthed randomly lol

[tired gull]

do we consume er points on 3 and 4 with the lack of interaction with deathstalkers mark

[balmy condor]

you even consume er points on 5 sometimes

it's incredible stuff

[fathom valve]

am i crazy? where did i see a ping

[tired gull]

well, 5 makes sense because it consumes dm

[balmy condor]

someone replied to your fate intertwined bug and then deleted cause it was dumb

[fathom valve]

aight

[balmy condor]

3 and 4 make sense cause the talent is good and talenting into something but then not using it is really dumb

[tired gull]

fair

[little tulip]

in 20 years no one has gotten remote code execution'd in the history ever

that's pretty good

like for real 👋

like you played some source games at the wrong time you'd get the entire hard drive deleted ;-;

[balmy condor]

who are you talking to

I feel lost

[little tulip]

sorry i just mean most blizzard game bugs are self contained

[royal lantern]

i always do, dont worry

[little tulip]

you lose stealth

[robust axle]

Comes with being a Rogue

[little tulip]

i'm just comparing my blizzard experience to my source engine experience, it's different lol.

[visual crow]

I have been practicing rotation on training dummy's and i am feeling very energy starved, is this normal?

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[visual crow]

@balmy condor thanks! Ive been watching your video as well, tons of information thanks for that, but even on the AOE i am feeling energy starved so i must be doing something wrong then

[balmy condor]

not enough bleeds

[tired gull]

10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute <--- this is wild, didn't realize the effect haste has on energy regen

[balmy condor]

if you have like 5-6 bleeds out it's basically impossible to ever drop under like 140ish energy

sanguine blades will eat a fair bit

but you'll never starve

[visual crow]

i am ambushing then garrote twice to get it up on all targets and back to back ruptures as well right off the bat

ok

[balmy condor]

yeh if you amb gar rup rup gar

you're never running out of energy

[visual crow]

ill keep messing around

gotcha

[balmy condor]

that's what

[acoustic roost]

Make sure your poisons are on your weapons as well 🙂

[balmy condor]

12 bleeds?

way more than enough

[balmy condor]

yeh it's real minor

[visual crow]

ok cool thanks

[balmy condor]

people love pretending that like 5% haste will solve all energy problems forever

[fathom valve]

does venomous wounds trigger for rupture and garrote?

[balmy condor]

yes

[fathom valve]

why the FUCK does it say "or"

[balmy condor]

well

because it's rupture or garrote

if either of them tick

you get energy

[tired gull]

the wording is so you don't h ave to have both on a target to gain the benefit from a tick

[balmy condor]

yeah

if it were rupture AND garrote

[fathom valve]

so it doesnt trigger for both

[balmy condor]

you would need both

and that would be cringe as hell

[balmy condor]

it does

rupture tick -> +8 energy

garrote tick -> +8 energy

[fathom valve]

it should totally say and

[tired gull]

no, it shouldn't

[balmy condor]

well no

cause what we just explained

if it were rupture and garrote, it would imply that you only get energy if both are present

which is not true

[ashen rover]

the and implies needing both, but you only need one of them

[fathom valve]

sorry, it should say "you regain 8 energy each time your garrote deals damage..., and you regain 8 energy each time your rupture deals damage..."

[balmy condor]

why would they write it like that

[little tulip]

cleared the dawnbreaker on heroic without lieutenant kills today, it's a fun game to decide what's good lol

[balmy condor]

when they could just say rupture or garrote

[fathom valve]

becauses then it's clear that you're getting 16 energy every 3 seconds or w/e

[queen egret]

Whisper to build on this, assume you have those 12 bleeds up and running, but we're fighting +12 targets, are envenom spam globals then worth more dps than proceeding to bleed up targets which are missing gar/rupture?

[kindred breach]

Pals do u have any platter to recomend? I used to play with Naowh's but feel like its tracking too much shit on my targets

[balmy condor]

it's clear like this as well

[little tulip]

sudden death the goat lol

[kindred breach]

And I had one time where i believe i saw a message that was adressing that exact problem

[balmy condor]

yes

[acoustic roost]

Whispyr’s is good and has a bunch of spell bloat blacklisted

[queen egret]

even when playing sudden demise in heroics?

[kindred breach]

oh so that's the one thanks bud

[balmy condor]

of course

you never want to reapply for sudden demise

[kindred breach]

And ty whispyr as always

[balmy condor]

it's not efficient

[queen egret]

alrigth

[balmy condor]

gotchu homie

[acoustic roost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[ashen rover]

Oh so whispyr your plater includes the quazzi m+ one? that's amazing

ill get it

[balmy condor]

it does yes

[ashen rover]

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[tired gull]

it's so wild to me seeing damage breakdowns with 25+ sources of damage

[balmy condor]

well designed spec

[mossy sentinel]

how many targets we crimson tempest?

[balmy condor]

3 or more

[tight gorge]

3+

[mossy sentinel]

fok also?

[kindred breach]

yes

[mossy sentinel]

mutilate only to keep caustic?

[normal mist]

yas

[balmy condor]

brother is speedrunning guide any% holy

he's on wr pace

[tired gull]

😄

[normal mist]

If he does that WHILE understanding, that's honorable

[mossy sentinel]

me?

[balmy condor]

you

[mossy sentinel]

i know how to play

assa

just wasnt sure about the numbers

and playing a dung so didnt wanna google cuz i knew u guys have the answer in 2 sec

[balmy condor]

yeh yeh, we're google

personal use even

[junior yoke]

doesn't harvester's edict proc on dummies?

[limber creek]

Whispyr if you took one day off this entire community would implode

[balmy condor]

nah

[kindred breach]

If playing DS you fok on singletarget one time right after applying mark too

[balmy condor]

if I disappeared tomorrow things would keep on just fine

[kindred breach]

because its buffed and shit

[kindred breach]

so much orphans though

[balmy condor]

it should

[balmy condor]

someone else would just take up the mantle and everything would move on

same as it did with me when zine quit

[kindred breach]

I agree but would he shotgun monster like an absolute boss

I'll be like where dad?

[balmy condor]

I'd hope so, or else what kind of legacy am I even leaving

[junior yoke]

well I don't see it

[mossy sentinel]

yeah might have to read my herotalents

seems like a lot of unecessary shit

[junior yoke]

I was like 4 minutes hiting and not a single proc and nott mastery stat either

[balmy condor]

did a quick search, seems like melee hits don't proc it right now

kinda strange

[kindred breach]

you should at least do a monster contest to chose your successor

[sudden brook]

How good is tier

[balmy condor]

2%

[kindred breach]

yeah this one is pretty sad tbh

[sudden brook]

Still

[balmy condor]

they haven't changed it at all

[mossy sentinel]

looking forward to the nerfs

[balmy condor]

the 2p poison buff still doesn't work on kingsbane

[nova aspen]

well as least its better than outlaw's

[junior yoke]

It says just skills, not hits, anyways i tthought 1 proc in 4 minutes was really strange

[nova aspen]

[junior yoke]

I'll keep watching

[balmy condor]

skills are hits

but yeah

think it's not proccing

cause it doesn't see the skills

[junior yoke]

i did not think about hits like skill

[mossy sentinel]

any1 have assa sims?

[balmy condor]

raidbots.com

[junior yoke]

I lied and wattched now, had 1 proc, but 4 min fight

[mossy sentinel]

i was asking cuz i wouldnt want to bother

if someone has a spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

what would that do for you

[mossy sentinel]

I'd like to compare with minimum effort

[robust axle]

How would a spreadsheet have a sim for your character specifically?

[mossy sentinel]

i couldnt care less about simming my quest greens

[balmy condor]

yeesh

fine

bait yourself

sorry

suit yourself

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[robust axle]

Might aswell spec Outlaw now, you will after looking at sims 🙂

[little tulip]

idk i've been stacking mastery and crit and i haven't and any issue

[woven shore]

On Pawn it shows that i deal more damage by getting 1 point of haste
Is this because i have too much crit/mastery so that haste became priority ?

Is there a "too much" for mastery and crit?

[balmy condor]

pawn

[robust axle]

Dont use pawn

[balmy condor]

in 2024?

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[little tulip]

bruh it's so

[woven shore]

Why :o?

[little tulip]

liek bruh

heart

[balmy condor]

cause stat weights fucking blow

[limber lion]

You get 100 haste, then suddenly haste is your worst stat and mastery is your best

[robust axle]

Aint relevant - Sim yourself

[limber lion]

then you get a new item with 70 mastery

[little tulip]

it's so comfy for a hunger for blood era gamer

[limber lion]

oh look, now crit is your best stat

[little tulip]

like aaaaa die

[limber lion]

You get 17 crit

Oh woah vers is suddenly best stat

[balmy condor]

it's more work to keep your pawn string updated, and you get less accurate results

[distant halo]

I can’t for the life of me figure out what’s giving a free 7 combo points after my first rupture on a target (stealth > ambush > garrote > rupture) then 7 combos points??? I’ve looked through all my talents and I can’t see where this is coming from. Please help

[balmy condor]

it's legit just lose/lose

[balmy condor]

bone spike

[distant halo]

I thought it might be that but doesn’t show in the tooltip? Or am I dumb

[limber lion]

Read what it does

[woven shore]

Okay
Thank you

[robust axle]

I dont wanna call you dumb, but since you asked

[woven shore]

[little tulip]

i just get unstealthed sometimes

i dunno why, it's probably dragonflight's fault or something

[robust axle]

We all do, hard to stay hidden all day

[distant halo]

OHHHH it’s because when I’m at the target dummies they have the perma spike on them and I’m getting credit for that. THANKYOU!

[balmy condor]

probably some new bug but yeh not sure what people are getting knocked out of stealth

[junior yoke]

are u guys using some weakaura for dungeons right now?

[little tulip]

noipe

[junior yoke]

or are you waiting until S1 comes

[robust axle]

I have yet to see a mechanic

[little tulip]

weak auras aren't it for me

it's just buffs and debuffs eheh

[slender pewter]

Any decent sin rogue content creators that I can watch to help me get up to speed?

[versed rapids]

plater has been nice by renaming everything to frontal, frontal cone, curse fear ect

[balmy condor]

I just kick the thing that my plater screams about and then gg

[robust axle]

Defintiely not Whispyr

[balmy condor]

yeah that guys an idiot

[little tulip]

my worn troll dice are never gonna sell not ever

[balmy condor]

I heard he does kindergarten math

I already forgot the meme

[little tulip]

and they're worth stacks

[woven shore]

Its better to Play 1 proc and one / use trinket right?

Or it doesnt matter

[dapper knoll]

Any weak aura out for fatebound coin flip and fateful ending stacks ?

[indigo mulch]

Generally having a on use trinket for cds is a good thing. Helps you burst a bit harder.

[balmy condor]

yes

[arctic tusk]

envenoms in cooldowns still 5+?

combo point

[robust axle]

7 if you consume last DN stack

[balmy condor]

can steal any of the ones in the following list or use weakauras template feature but you don't need to track any of them for your rotation

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[dapper knoll]

Thanks !

(Great guide btw 😉 )

[balmy condor]

ty

[indigo mulch]

I really hate DN forcing you to go to 7 CPs to proc. 😦

it should be like 5+

There are way to many times where you just need 1 more cp to proc it 😦

[bronze pike]

cant be worse then mingoble for shadowpriest

absolute degenerate gameplay, poor priests

[misty torrent]

Is Cleave or Single Target best for 3v3 Arena?

[junior yoke]

jesus 😄 so bad trtinket

[little tulip]

idk sending damage for outlaw made higher mythic+ keys for newer players

pop adrenaline rush before tyr goes untargetable etc

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[little tulip]

it's good pve design

looking forward to sending season 1 with some of the ppl i met in df s3 and s4

we'll surely crush it and also fail and lose and stuff 🙂

[hollow moss]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

ass master but not the rogue kind

[balmy condor]

real

[green python]

Yoo all, new here, anyone can help me? any recommendations on what to spend the spark on?

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[green python]

tyy

[balmy condor]

np

[indigo mulch]

I'm i the only one not crafting until hc? :x

[runic hinge]

i crafted an engi helm

but then i realzied i can't put secondary stats on it until i get more kp

so it sits in bags

[slate crown]

😦

[little tulip]

i'm gonna leave skinning if gloom chitin doesn't bounch back in a day or 3 and hit rocks instead honestly ;-;

just full on jewelcraft for season 1 and maybe level a hunter or something lol

what the heck is execute spamming ._,

[grand trail]

where my mark go

[balmy condor]

poof gone

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/tims-trims-vanish-magic-its-gif-24307968

[indigo mulch]

[nova aspen]

🐛 stalker

[vagrant pawn]

really wish blindside turned mutilate into ambush :/ instead of just making ambush useable out of stealth

[tired gull]

it does

[shadow badger]

It does

[vagrant pawn]

o

ahh maybe it's cause my mutilate is on a macro

[shadow badger]

Yuh

[vagrant pawn]

derp

[balmy condor]

you can't macro out of it

[vagrant pawn]

sadge

[balmy condor]

if you have blindside up and /cast mutilate

it'll still ambush

cause of how the replacement works

[vagrant pawn]

ohhh cool

tyvm

[balmy condor]

np

[tired gull]

caustic is honestly so satisfying even though it's passive

[stone minnow]

guys what is the stat priority for assa rog again?

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[stone minnow]

so mastery haste for deathstalker...

[normal mist]

reading is hard

[stone minnow]

curious - have you updated your WA?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

yes

[normal mist]

Whispyr, is it possible to make the last line of that command in BOLD?

and sprinkle some fairy dust

[bleak ledge]

[twilit hollow]

People still won't read it. Trust me @normal mist

[normal mist]

[chilly nimbus]

guys, how many haste assa need in end game? Exist some cap for this or whatever?

[normal mist]

another one

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[sweet inlet]

is there a bis list for M+ which includes raid drops? i can only find one on wowhead that is for raiding?

[normal mist]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[stone minnow]

Sorry, did I miss to read something? I am not interested in sim'ming and the command says Deathstalker prefers more mastery/haste so what's wrong in saying what I said?

Just asking to learn 🙂

[balmy condor]

it prefers more

doesn't mean

that crit is bad

you're still Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > Versatility

it's just more mast/haste than fatebound

[little tulip]

trinkets that give pure haste lose versusmastery though

[balmy condor]

what

[normal mist]

Answer: Sim

[little tulip]

really

[stone minnow]

Thx!

[normal mist]

We use what the maths machine tells us to

if the maths machine tells us to use haste trinket, we use haste trinket

[balmy condor]

there isn't even a haste trinket this patch is there

[little tulip]

simmed it, 554 signet of the priory lost versus a 570 quest trinket that gave haste on proc i think

there is

[normal mist]

Idk, didn't even look at drops

[little tulip]

it's umm

[balmy condor]

what kind of comparison is this

[rotund oak]

ara-kara 2nd boss

[little tulip]

i simmed it

[balmy condor]

yeah but they're 16 item levels apart

[little tulip]

i just mean mastery wins via signit even if it's 15-20 ilevels behind

[balmy condor]

well no

signet wins cause it's an on use

versus a proc

and having an on use on a burst spec is kinda really good

[gritty laurel]

i mean, it's not great but that number is misleading because if you intercept the blobs it gives you mastery instead of doing damage

[balmy condor]

has little to do with the stats

[little tulip]

fair, it's -6k dps at 571 afair

when does haste win though like what does it actually do lol

[gritty laurel]

i think haste wins when the sim says it wins based on the rest of your gear

[normal mist]

^

[vale shore]

Oh I have that trinket. Not played around with it yet

[balmy condor]

haste increases dot tick rate

also attack speed and energy regen

but mostly it's the dot tick rate

[pulsar apex]

“Deal Fate” here a typo?

[balmy condor]

no

deal fate is a talent on fatebound

that's correct

[rare jackal]

rings are good crafts cause free sockets
cant you put 2 sockets on rings now? or am i totally off base

[balmy condor]

yes

but if you craft

you get a free one

:)

[stone minnow]

do we get max 4 crafts in this patch and which parts do you guys suggest?

2 rings?

[normal mist]

we might get a lot more crafts

[balmy condor]

I crafted wrist belt 2 rings

but who cares

you're replacing it

[normal mist]

does he mean spark crafts?

[balmy condor]

no

you get 4 crafts this week with your weathered crests

[normal mist]

i got 5

[balmy condor]

did you upgrade your main hand

[normal mist]

Yea

[balmy condor]

what

[normal mist]

sec

[stone minnow]

I actually had no idea on this 😄 is this in the guide?

[normal mist]

lemme log

[stone minnow]

I was actually farming dungeons to make my adventurers 8/8, am I on wrong path?

[normal mist]

wait i actually have 6 crafts

[balmy condor]

it's more efficient crest wise to just craft 590's instead but it doesn't matter for shit

it's cringe preseason min maxing

[stone minnow]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

I'm probably missing one time crests or something

[normal mist]

Plus dagger and back

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

keep in mind i have literally NO quests available to me in game

i've done EVERYTHING

[soft merlin]

you get from renown as well

[normal mist]

true

[soft merlin]

also flying in areas where the spark things are in the air

[normal mist]

i'm renown 9 across the board

[soft merlin]

dunno what they are called

[balmy condor]

that's probably what I'm missing

I can't be fucked to do renown

[normal mist]

i did it passively

doing loremaster

[little tulip]

been trying to replace 554 trinkets for 2 days

basically 570

[normal mist]

auction house

[upbeat ivy]

is it bad to use the spark already ? for 606 ?

[normal mist]

not bad

[balmy condor]

it's not not bad

[little tulip]

well since i got wow open lol

[upbeat ivy]

oka 😄 good

[balmy condor]

but it's also not good

it's just

something

[upbeat ivy]

sadge 😄

[little tulip]

oh yeah darkmoon is this week, really should drop skinning and level mining/jc

[narrow basalt]

So siphoning stiletto is not worth it right?

I mean when its available

[little tulip]

evil

[balmy condor]

stiletto is just like crafting a dagger with ascension, except stiletto damages you, does less damage, and doesn't do any aoe

[white spire]

Any idea if those embellishment daggers are going to look good for us?

[balmy condor]

if ascension survives, yes

[narrow basalt]

I see xD Bad cantrip L

[balmy condor]

if it doesn't survive, no

[pearl mauve]

Any tips on what hc dungeon trinkets to aim for? Is dmf trinkets worth dueling AH for?

[balmy condor]

droptimizer

[normal mist]

keep in mind im LW and BS myself, i can craft my own daggers and my leather items, where i have 2xRank4 (gloves/pants) and 2xRank5 (belt/boots)

back is R4 and dagger R5

[fair stirrup]

Am I reading this right that outlaw is simming nearly 15% higher than sin on single target?

[normal mist]

when hitting a dummie yeah

[balmy condor]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[normal mist]

where there is no downtime nor burst phases

where sub and assa shine more

[tired gull]

15% to not get carpal tunnel

[fair stirrup]

Right. There are mechanics to move away from

And bleeds and poisons be bleeding and poisoning

[little tulip]

say less lol https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHs-ikuZ35LYSMW03FVbQ2guuy0uVuKgP5Fg&s

but for real ._.

curing rsi is a surgery, ended the career of olafmeister and my grandma lol

the answer is never more training it's rest days and nutrition

[normal mist]

Its better than nothing

its worst than anything else ifaik

[tired gull]

quest reward for stealing some candles

[waxen oyster]

i leveled alts to do renown sidequests

[royal lantern]

whetstones this Expansion are so fucking stupid, jesus christ

1null stone for a single whestone

[balmy condor]

cooked

[royal lantern]

jesus christ

that shit is insane

[little tulip]

designing play touys for 16k hours, 9k hours gamings**

yeah like

your rsi is affecting you lol

[waxen oyster]

those characters were almost 80

from dungeons pre scaling fix

[fair stirrup]

Raids about to cost 50k gold per night

[snow kindle]

What servers are you guys on to cost that much 😭 they are only like 100g on illidan

[fair stirrup]

what are, null stones?

[snow kindle]

Oh STONES

[fair stirrup]

was gonna say...i'm about to come clear out your AH

[snow kindle]

Thought said null lotus

[balmy condor]

they're all region wide anyway

server doesn't matter

[tough trail]

what are you guys playing, fateboud or deathstalker? only tried fatebound so far

[lavish brook]

Whispyr, do you have a stream where you're attacking a target dummy for a couple full rotations? I feel so energy starved in my downtime, and I'm not exactly sure when I shouldnt prioritize the envenom extension when I'm low on energy or bleeds are falling off.
Overall, if I could just watch you attack a single target dummy for while, it would clear stuff up

[balmy condor]

bit of both for fun

[balmy condor]

you always prio maintaining bleeds

[tough trail]

I guess theres no big difference in dps then, I watched ur video earlier

[balmy condor]

I don't think I have a vod