assassination

[limber lion]

It's still all the same

[raven panther]

you still like it

[limber lion]

Yeah, so not "way" less

[raven panther]

mastery could be higher in sim

[limber lion]

It literally still doesn't matter

Having all stats only be mastery or crit, doesn't make a difference

[kindred breach]

Yup I believe you dont go way less crit just because of DN

[raven panther]

you "love it way less"

[kindred breach]

You need bleeds to crit as much as possible so it stays relevant

[raven panther]

never said it wasn't the best stat

[limber lion]

You never loved it

Stats are literally all the sqame

It's not a joke or exaggeration

lol

Like one day crit is your best stat

the next is haste

then 2 hours later it's vers

then 12 minutes later it's suddenly mastery

like they're all so close and have been so close for 4 years now

where it literally doesn't matter

Unless you're ultra big giga bis gear with full mythic raid gear

where you can squeeze like 0.3% extra with the super most optimal stats

If you only focus on crit or mastery, you will do probably do less dps than some random who just uses whatever they want regardless of what the stats are

[jolly heath]

in my sim, I see it missed 1 kingsbane, does that mean it got parry?

[limber lion]

No, sims do not parry

Link the sim

[jolly heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xj4kHtCUu3mGTKLjV8YGpV/simc

you check 1st kingsbane at 10s

and it only do the second one at 2 minute mark

[limber lion]

I see what the issue is, let's see

kingsbane,if=(debuff.shiv.up|cooldown.shiv.remains<6)&buff.envenom.up&(cooldown.deathmark.remains>=50|dot.deathmark.ticking)|fight_remains<=15

I fear that the 50s Deathmark check here messes it up.

[jolly heath]

interesting

is it because of low energy

envenom was delayed for too long so deathmark cd < 50s

[civic knot]

Which slot do you think is going to be most desirable for crafting? Deciding where to spend knowledge on lw

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[limber lion]

It's because there's other conditions KB checks for before it uses it. It generally wants to send it on cooldown, but if Envenom and Shiv are both not up, it's not gonna send it. And yeah that delay causes it to desync and like you said the cooldown.deathmark.remains>=50 check comes in play, so it instead holds it.

Energy has nothing to do with it, just the Shiv/Envenom conditions prior.

[royal lantern]

i would be carefull and not do hasty desicions

BUT wrist is always a good choice, cus many classes use Wrist for the generic embelishments

[normal mist]

I went boots/belt on my crafting prio

[civic knot]

I was thinking wrist but isn't boots just better stat value?

[royal lantern]

crafted items are lower ilvl

so people use the generic embelishments on wrist/belts cus they give less stats by default

[grim jay]

I'll probably go ring/wrist

[earnest canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctzuw-9BSxk
0:12 = 1st time darkest night didnt refresh the mark had to vanish to reapply
1:06 = 2nd time darkest night didnt refresh the mark

this so fkn annooyyinggg

[civic knot]

yeah I guess depends on if you're lucky with vault/early mythic drops

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

wait, LW is only 20?

[normal mist]

each specific one yes

[royal lantern]

meanwhile blacksmith lol

[grim jay]

bcs you did the only thing that makes your mark disappear

and actually missplayed aswell

because that situation isnt something you should be in to begin with

[earnest canopy]

what i did?

tell me because im not aware

[grim jay]

you used your DN envenom for your last mark

and to cause that you ambushed even tho you had DN up

you dont ambush if you have DN up

[earnest canopy]

lol but ambush not canceling the proc

[grim jay]

DN is canceling the proc

bcs you have it already

[earnest canopy]

it happened to me when i didnt use DN as well

[normal mist]

also maxed daggers on my 71 warrior already :3

[jade abyss]

how ?

[earnest canopy]

and there is no source that confirm what you just said

[normal mist]

how what

[jade abyss]

you get so many knowledge points

[earnest canopy]

can you show me a soruce says u cant ** use ambush while target have DN?

[grim jay]

bro I sometimes do bugtesting and you can easily replicate it without failure. you literally did 2 times in the video

[grim jay]

every guide says play the capstone after your intial ambush for the rest of the dungeon if you can

[normal mist]

First crafts + treasures + NPC workorders that award knowledge + buying the knowledge points from vendor in both Dorn and Azj

[royal lantern]

i have legit 0 npc orders that give knowledge

its so BS that its rng

[earnest canopy]

but ambush its some extra dps for me i find no reason to avoide it

[grim jay]

its no extra dps

[earnest canopy]

depends on your talents

[normal mist]

this is good, the craft that is required isnt, so i cant do it xD

[grim jay]

if you play improved ambush for example you are doing smth wrong to begin with

[earnest canopy]

v.venumes

[grim jay]

vicious venoms isnt in the m+ builds either

and it applies to both mutilate and ambush

[earnest canopy]

this is not m+ bro\

and i test couple of builds

im not copy paste everything that i find

[grim jay]

you literally play the same builds in dungeons and m+

and vicious venoms is insanely bad for anything not st

[normal mist]

You could Rqp, the builds on wowhead were tested / simmed

[earnest canopy]

i know but in hc when things getting killd realy fast

i go builds that mid boss dmg to aoe dmg

[midnight atlas]

looks like you still had 1 more mark when trying to reapply it

[earnest canopy]

when

[grim jay]

the cleave build is the build for that and it doesnt have VV either. also as I said

VV applies to ambush and mutilate

no reason by itself to ambush

[earnest canopy]

dosnt metter if i had mistike in my rotation

thats not the issue

Mark not refreshing after proc thats the iissue

[grim jay]

its half of it. the other half is the bug

its a bug, yes, but you shouldnt ever encounter it

and you are complaining about it for days at this point

but seemingly refuse to take advise

[earnest canopy]

i do take the advice

but you said that like its my foult

and its not

[midnight atlas]

at the timestamps mentioned by you.

[grim jay]

if you really wanted to ambush every time btw, you would just need to make sure to consume the DN you have up on the first or second finisher

as long as your last mark stack isnt the DN 7cp finisher, you will still get the proc

[earnest canopy]

i dont know what you are talking about bro
in both times i had no stacks left only Darkest night procs which didnt refresh Marks

[earnest canopy]

i will try that in my next runs see if it fixing the issue for me

[grim jay]

its what I do if I accidently open with ambush, should work just fine

[earnest canopy]

so ambush acctualy forcing this bug to happen?

[kindred breach]

ok so thats why i was loosing my marks on DN ty

Need to track DN better i'm just re ambushing for no reason atm

[grim jay]

he probably means what I said, you had DN up from before the fight, opened with ambush and consumed markstack 3 and 2 with a <7cp finisher, but markstack 1 with the 7CP DN finisher

[little tulip]

[midnight atlas]

max CP envenom while target still has 1 deathstalker mark, if you were to do a 5+ finisher and after that a max cp envenom it would've worked.

[grim jay]

probably better to get rid of that habit, but sometimes happens to me aswell

[earnest canopy]

i didnt even notice i had stack while having DN in same time wtf

lol

so thats why ambush bugging it

[midnight atlas]

you track too much shit you need to declutter that luxthos WA

[grim jay]

thats what I said the whole time

[kindred breach]

yup absolutely true i'll put DN tracker 2 times bigger lol

[grim jay]

you had that both times

in the video

[midnight atlas]

spec is easy,

1. ambush once from stealth
2. consume marks with 3 finishers at 5+ cp
3. max cp envenom to reapply marks
4. repeat from step2

[earnest canopy]

ye the issue was i didnt tryed to track marks when i have DN because i didnt know it even possible to overleap them

tnx for pointing the prob out

[midnight atlas]

[normal mist]

All i have to say is: Item no longer available.

[rugged mango]

auctionator makes buying and selling no problem

[normal mist]

im using it

[earnest canopy]

so if by mistake ive started with ambush while having dn proc how do i fix that?

[grim jay]

you just consume DN on mark stack 3 or 2

not on the last one

[rugged mango]

then you shouldnt run into any issues if you use the shopping tab to buy

[normal mist]

nevermind... i was only using the selling option.

You just saved my butt.

[minor swift]

btw i tried swapping from zoldyck and arterial precision to DTB and poison bomb

boss dps went up at most 70k? but like aoe dps decreased with 800k or something

[normal mist]

ACTUALLY

I ALMOST FUCKED MYSELF

[earnest canopy]

ye thats sht is wiled

[rugged mango]

yeah someone bought that shit up lol

[earnest canopy]

the most anoying thing right now is trying to buy somthig that many people trying to buy

[grim jay]

I nearly bought stuff for 900k because I accidently added an additional number earlier

[earnest canopy]

and its kicking your buy out all the time

[grim jay]

that wouldve been fucked

[rugged mango]

good thing auctionator gives you warnings lol

[grim jay]

yep 😄

[little tulip]

everyone is doing ara ara so gloom chittin and stormcharged are dropping

[earnest canopy]

thats realy anying that they force you to buy the cheapest one on the market and you cant buy somthing more expensive to bypass the '' this item is no longer avilable'' for 1 houer

[little tulip]

i got 800 and hoping it goes back up to 20 one more time

[normal mist]

been trying tho buy this item for the last 20 minutes

[grim jay]

they only do it because they dont listen to a 1h ara ara mashup on repeat

else they would just loot their item

[rugged mango]

i can save any i find for you, they can drop from dirt

[earnest canopy]

go try buying potions bro
you will have to take a fkn day off

[rugged mango]

also if you are the correct mining spec you can make 100k/hour right now

[normal mist]

Appreciated but no need, i'll beat the shit out of the auctioneers

[grim jay]

is that considered much for gathering?

[rugged mango]

without that specific spec you'd make 30-40k an hour

[random fossil]

What's the correct one

Asking for a friend

[rugged mango]

before they stealth hotfixed the wax boxes you could buy you could do 150k/hour just farming dirt

[grim jay]

idk doing professions for goldmaking first and foremost always seems so tedious with comparatively lower gold/h

[midnight atlas]

im trying to make healing pots and yell in town to sell them like in vanilla, but i can't buy the herbs

[lofty inlet]

New to Assa rogue guys. Should I go fate bound or deathstalker for m+ ?

[normal mist]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[normal mist]

Oops wrong command

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[normal mist]

Check wowhead for the builds @lofty inlet

[lofty inlet]

Ty ty. I checked wowhead but in the m+ Assa build said deathstalker while in the rotation section there was only fate bound for aoe which got me confused

[grim jay]

you can toggle the talents

[normal lotus]

Is ER still bugged?

[grim jay]

bug list in the pins is updated

[normal lotus]

ty ty

[normal mist]

No there's also DS aoe

[compact stirrup]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[subtle tundra]

strongest assa rogue in aoe

[hallow ruin]

If I'm playing the deathstalker build, how do I apply ambush and then garrote? doesn't ambush take me out of stealth?

[royal lantern]

?

where is 80% of your dmg beeing sudden demise?

[languid gate]

Boots and Wrists for Crafts right? No changes here, even when you only play M+ correct?

[royal lantern]

dont craft rn

[subtle tundra]

least insane assa build

[languid gate]

Actually? Why not?

[subtle tundra]

THOUGH I RESPECT THAT BUILD, ITS MY DREAM TO PLAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND DO WELL

[grim jay]

read the improved garrote talent

[grim jay]

balancing and fixing still not done

[royal lantern]

because we dont know when they actually start fixing embelishments

90% of them literally dont work/are so undertuned that it cnt stay that way

[hallow ruin]

i feel silly. thank you

[grim jay]

dw it wasnt like that before

so easy to miss

[hallow ruin]

I was so confused too

[languid gate]

That's good 2 know, ty

[wild nest]

You got six seconds to get that garrote goin baby

Should just be ambushing straight into garrote everytime

[hallow ruin]

Yea, i was wondering why my damge was so low, just needed to rebind keys tbh

[golden relic]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rotund marsh]

is there no way to upgrade these season 3 legs anymore?

i really wanted to get the normal legs appearance 😦

[normal mist]

Maybe rip

[grim jay]

can just wait until people do mog runs

or its solo farmable

[rotund marsh]

just got into a normal run so maybe i can do it

legs are the last thing i need for the set lol

[polar sinew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[polar sinew]

hey anyone got the poison reminder wa ?

[raven egret]

Many of those wa groups have one, you can lift them from those

[polar sinew]

oh ok thanks !

[rotund marsh]

can you no longer get the season 3 gladiator set?

[dark token]

Mythic week after everyone crafted

[normal mist]

Conquest? Eventually

[visual sequoia]

why nobody sells authority of depth ench?

and what we use instead?

[dark token]

It drops from raid

[wheat whale]

When I do the opener rotation (Deathstalker) sometimes the last empowered envenom hits for 1.2M (Crit) and sometimes for 2.3-2.5M.
I cant really tell why its sometimes double the damage, what am I overlooking?

It's always a crit obviously because it is sent with Darkest Night

[toxic night]

hey question please is echoing reprimand not procing darkest night an intended behaviour ??

[limber lion]

No, it's a bug

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[toxic night]

thnx

🙂

[opal cove]

whats the assa rouge singel target rotation and i somehow cant seem to get it to work i only do like 400k max 500k single target

[normal mist]

Check wowhead

[twin plume]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[twin plume]

!sleep

??

[normal mist]

?

[rotund marsh]

yay got the legs in the group

[brave stump]

why ability bugged?
why no fix?
i want to speak to the Manager!

[normal mist]

[weak isle]

He just wants to sleep

[normal mist]

Fair

Me too

[subtle tundra]

im EU coded

imagine sleeping

[normal mist]

But I can't, I'm at the gym atm and my vacation ends today, tomorrow I'll go back to work 😦

[tame valve]

hi guys what is the best trinket atm ? please ❤️

[raven egret]

The highest Ilvl one you can get

[tame valve]

Ara-Kara Sacbrood not bis? 😮

:p

[tame valve]

i agree

[dire slate]

Yo. Is there anyone who might know why I have such a problem with energy?

[subtle tundra]

its hc dungeon trinket man youll replace that with the first high ilvl trinket you drop

[tame valve]

ok i see thx guys ❤️

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[ancient rain]

It seems that spenders cap out at 6cp even tho we can have 7cp. Is this true or a tooltip bug?

[normal mist]

Hopefully you also know the basics of the spec

[normal mist]

We can have 7 with talents

And what do you mean "cap out at 6"?

[opal cove]

i did still seems to not work quite right

[normal mist]

It must work right

[novel storm]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[normal mist]

Not in game to check myself but it goes up to 7

[ancient rain]

do you mean up to 7

Cuz I'm specced into 7 combo points and Envenom, Rupture and CT all say "1 to 6 combo points". Was wondering what's up with that

[normal mist]

Probably tooltips being messed up

[ancient rain]

Yeah. Tested on the dummy and they work with 7cp too. Just tooltips messed up

[winged widget]

We have shit gear, brother. Those numbers should be ok for now.

[ripe carbon]

wat training dummy do u use for ST? 'dungeoneers training dummy'?

[limber lion]

yupyup

[frail root]

Is it better to have the farmable bis item or the higher Ivl? Cause rn I got the haste mastery shoulders but I could get the auditors shoulders which are better in ilvl and upgradable so idk if it’s worth since the stats on them are pretty sht for sin

[limber lion]

ilvl

ilvl

ilvl

stats DO NOT matter

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[narrow basalt]

I am warming up to fatebound. I seem to get lucky coins quite consistently now. Just sucks that it runs out so quick

[dire slate]

Thank you. I just started. So not really. Wowhead guide is a bit hard to understand I donno why

[cyan summit]

any pvp'ers here ?

[normal mist]

#pvp

[cyan summit]

ty

[normal mist]

There's a basics section there but I'm mobile right now so I can't point you in the right direction

[earnest canopy]

so fkn unluky with the weapons .... all the time getting everything other then dagger from last boss -_-

[modest ginkgo]

is 5 combo rupture fine or should it always be spent on 7 combo points

[novel star]

going to 7 combo points is BAD

[normal mist]

It is fine if it's 5+

[dire slate]

Yeah I should read a bit more. But Sin has alot of damage right now, right? I'm asking so I know that if I come up short on damage then I know I am doing something wrong

[normal mist]

7 isn't bad unless forced for anything that isn't Darkest Night proc

[novel star]

DO NOT force 7cp in any context except when you are reapplying the mark for deathstalker

[winged widget]

Finish on 5+.
7 combo points is when you need to consume darkest night

[ripe carbon]

wats the rule with changing resounding clarity to 2/2 lethality? is it in both ST and m+ builds>?

!er

[novel star]

if you get a lucky crit at 3cp that pushes you to 7 it’s fine but you don’t ever aim for it

[normal mist]

Morning Oli

[novel star]

gm

[limber lion]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[novel star]

i’m actually going to sleep lmao

but gm

[modest ginkgo]

ty all

[limber lion]

You play 2 lethality always on Deathstalker if you want giga deeps because ER is bogged

[earnest canopy]

you dont acctualy ever want to 7 combo somthing other then DN
its there only to prevent point wast

[normal mist]

That isn't always the reason, specially in the current dungeons where everything dies in 2 globals

[narrow basalt]

Sin is doing good damage yes. But if you are completely new, I would recommend expecting to min/max damage completely yet. Just start out with learning the rotational basics.

[novel star]

^

[narrow basalt]

Also true. Everything dies so quickly just by the tank pulling and autoattacking 😭

[novel star]

[ripe carbon]

i shoulda stayed assass, playing ooutlaws made me rusty

[narrow basalt]

[dire slate]

Outlaw is fun as heck tho

[novel star]

ass ass

[narrow basalt]

ass rogue

[novel star]

ik tails is supposed to be the bad one or whatever but i love looking at it on the damage meter

[mortal badger]

shoot this guy down

[novel star]

silly coin…

[narrow basalt]

Haha true. Coin go pling

[dire slate]

😦

[novel star]

any in chat

[limber lion]

Sepsis on top

[narrow basalt]

Sepsis assassination main

[novel star]

beast…

[narrow basalt]

I must say. Getting the lucky coin from Fateful ending is a really good feeling.

Although that goes away when the next pull takes 45 min

[novel star]

wish the buff lasted a little longer ya

[narrow basalt]

yup

[novel star]

need good tank

or u get owned

[narrow basalt]

true. I find myself just hopping out of stealth early to keep the coin, which feels bad when vanish is on cooldown

[ripe carbon]

with 2/2 lethality is opener still the same ST?

[limber lion]

Ye

[novel star]

should be

[ripe carbon]

uh these training dummys keep having bone spike stay on them

[novel star]

taps on the whispyr chain pulling sign

[novel star]

go far enough away to despawn them

[ripe carbon]

ah ya

[novel star]

and u get the charges back

it never happens normally cause dummies cant die

[narrow basalt]

Bonespike staying loyal

[narrow basalt]

😂

[narrow basalt]

There's hope for me yet.

[minor swift]

btw this with envenom perma up

we just spam it when we have 5+ combo points right

or max for DS mark

if dots r up and slice and dice

[limber lion]

Read the command again

It literally says you should not just aimlessly spam

[narrow basalt]

😅

[minor swift]

yeah ik

but i mean if it doesnt make u go to low

[limber lion]

Those are the energy rules yes

[narrow basalt]

Spamming would tho

[limber lion]

If you're about to cap, you would use an ability

[novel star]

10% haste = 2 buttons per min is insane to read lol

[limber lion]

But you just playing properly and maximizing Envenom uptime already does that

[limber lion]

Why is that insane

[minor swift]

sure but lets say my energy is at idk 60% and dots and everything is stil active

[narrow basalt]

Yeah I was kinda blown away. Even though I knew it was negligible.

[minor swift]

why would i not envenom with idk 7 combo points

[novel star]

just a lot lower than you’d expect for 10%

[limber lion]

You get to 5CP and then you chill there until Envenom is in pandemic, after which you would Envenom

[limber lion]

10% haste is literally 1 energy per second.

The only benefit comes from Venomous Wounds

That's why we keep saying that haste is not that amazing as people make it out to be

[novel star]

yes i’m not saying i disagree with anything it’s just interesting to see

[narrow basalt]

😅

[limber lion]

Ye

Just weird to me that making a command that says the exact same thing we've been saying for 5 years is suddenly something new and revolutionary

But yeah I get it

[novel star]

[limber lion]

Makes sense for newer players who don't know how it works

[rotund marsh]

is there a reason hekili keeps telling me to garrotte the same person like 3x in a row

[limber lion]

Hekili is terrible for Assassination and you should not use it

[narrow basalt]

100%

[rotund marsh]

really?

[limber lion]

Yes

[narrow basalt]

yep

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund marsh]

why?

[limber lion]

Read a guide instead

It's just not optimized and doesn't follow the rules that Assassination follows

[rotund marsh]

why dont they just make it work right for assa?

[limber lion]

Following Hekili is worse than just hitting your head on the keyboard

[normal mist]

Ask them

[novel star]

ask the addon devs i guess

[narrow basalt]

Bc assa isnt as straight forward for the addon as bm hunter

[normal mist]

It works WELL for some classes, but not rogue

[limber lion]

Hekili will never work for Assassination

[rotund marsh]

i love it for enhancement

[limber lion]

It's too condition-based

Too many conditions and target counts and everything to take into consideration

[normal mist]

the creator of the addon is a shaman himself isnt it?

[rotund marsh]

no clue

but it calculates the procs way better than i could

[normal mist]

i'm fairly sure he is

[limber lion]

Are you not using weakauras?

[rotund marsh]

i am

using the hijack ones

[limber lion]

A good weakaura set tells you everything you should know and track

[minor swift]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[narrow basalt]

Hekili is just not well designed for rogue. It wont tell you how to manage energy in ST, it wont tell you to envenom in pandemic. It wont tell you how you should spread the garrotes. Much better to read a guide and figure it out through trial and error.

[limber lion]

Thanks for saying the same thing

[rotund marsh]

well if i just dont oonga boonga spam everything and pace myself i would be better off right?

[normal mist]

no

[limber lion]

No

If it tells you to literally press Garrote 3 times in a row in single target

that's omega giga bad and terrible

and not something you should ever do ever

Like

[rotund marsh]

i assumed that was a bug or something

[limber lion]

Don't use it

No

Don't use Hekili

Literally

!wa

[normal mist]

Even if its an AoE scenario is a badish

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rotund marsh]

cause in s3 of df it never did that

[limber lion]

Get a weakaura package

Get a WA package and use them

They have glow properties for stuff that matters

[rotund marsh]

ill try the afenar edit

[limber lion]

Like when to reapply bleeds

[vagrant pawn]

Luxthos is my favorite, big icons to keep tract of rup and garrote

[limber lion]

garrote will light up

[rotund marsh]

love afenar but they didnt update for tww

[limber lion]

Well there's not much that has changed

[novel star]

it’s probably a bug but still shouldn’t rely on an addon if ur interested in real improvement

[limber lion]

You don't really need to track anything for FB/Deathstalker

[novel star]

and yeah whispyrs wa edit is insanely good

[limber lion]

Mark and stacks pretty much the only thing

[rotund marsh]

my issue is that im playing like 6 classes

so its hard to really learn everything deeply

[limber lion]

Well you using Hekili will never teach you anything even on a surface level

[narrow basalt]

Imma have to try it. I have been a Luxthos WA enjoyer untill now.

[limber lion]

Much better to spend the 1-2 hours learning the basics instead of following a broken addon

[novel star]

are you really playing 6 classes then if you aren’t individually learning any of em properly

[vagrant pawn]

I'm def going to try and stick with rogue this expansion. Usually I end up going back to lock. But ff14 really got me into playing melee these days.

[limber lion]

I also used to play several classes and learned all of them

[minor swift]

Btw now when i have full heroic gear what r u guys doing? Like how to get valorstones etc

[limber lion]

And multiple specs for each class

[novel star]

i’m overhating prolly, never used the addon so i don’t really know

but yeah

[limber lion]

Assa, Sub, Outlaw, Feral, Spriest, Havoc, Affli, Demo, Fire Mage, Arcane, Frost Mage, Fury Warr, Arms Warr... it keeps going

[subtle tundra]

probably ok to use on simple specs, but then youre playing a simple spec so whats the point

[rotund marsh]

is this not just telling you what to press like hekili?

[limber lion]

Not really, it tells you what to track and what to pay attention to

You see everything is grey, thus you must reapply them

[subtle tundra]

what do you think its telling you to press?

[rotund marsh]

deathmark?

[limber lion]

But it won't tell you when to mutilate or when to envenom

Welp

[subtle tundra]

not even close to what youre supposed to press

[rotund marsh]

start with stealth garrote right

[limber lion]

Deathmark should not light up like that

Yes

[subtle tundra]

not really

[limber lion]

Well, with Ambush if you don't have a mark

[rotund marsh]

why is it lighting up then?

[subtle tundra]

ambush prob

its telling you the main cd is available

[limber lion]

Idk check the condition

[rotund marsh]

i just imported it

[limber lion]

Some people like having glows on their big cds

to remind them that it's ready

[novel star]

Depends if you’re deathstalker or fatebound, and within deathstalker it depends if you have the capstone buff or not

[limber lion]

It's not telling you what to press

It's just an effect

[rotund marsh]

im gonna pick deathstalker

[subtle tundra]

weakauras are used for reminders

[limber lion]

Just read a guide my guy

[subtle tundra]

id recommend fatebound

[limber lion]

It's not rocketscience

You'll figure it out

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

you have reprimand so i’m assuming you’re deathstalker which means you start with ambush unless the capstone buff is up

[subtle tundra]

deathstalker adds more to the rotation than fatebound, and you clearly dont know shit about assa

[novel star]

eh some ppl jump into the deep end with stuff and still figure it out

[subtle tundra]

he is a hekli user, i doubt

(not to be rude)

[novel star]

guy who was just rude: (not to be rude)

[limber lion]

If he literally uses Hekili on every single spec that he plays,

[subtle tundra]

well im honest

[limber lion]

Then yeah

[novel star]

[limber lion]

If he's never actually paid time to learn a class

And has always used Hekili

[rotund marsh]

i see

[limber lion]

He's probably not gonna suddenly start minmaxing DS Assa

[novel star]

none of this matters you’re all kind of just talkin shit lol

[limber lion]

So are you

[novel star]

deathstalker isn’t THAT much more complex than fb

[subtle tundra]

tryina help a guy

[limber lion]

It's not

[novel star]

it’s still 99% the same rotation

[limber lion]

But it's unnecessary addition and friction

[novel star]

let him learn what he wants to play

in the way he wants to learn

everyone learns differently

[limber lion]

The man literally asked us if he should press Deathmark as his first cd

like lol

[rotund marsh]

well i know you dont normally do that

but it was glowing so i was wondering if thats what the wa was saying to do

[limber lion]

Yeah no

Would recommend looking into Whispyr's videos

[subtle tundra]

we are on the assa discord channel, the point of this discord is to help people play better

[limber lion]

He goes through the rotation throughly

[novel star]

^

[limber lion]

If reading is not your forte

[novel star]

whispyrs 2 recent vids are very good

or the wowhead guide which is super detailed and also by whispyr

[rotund marsh]

ok

[hardy viper]

hello so just leveling my rogue and was wondering what is the recomended hero talents for assas bleed is it death stalker or fate ?

[vagrant pawn]

Yeah I've been reading from the wowhead guides lol good stuff

[novel star]

if your goal is to learn the spec you gotta sit down and learn it for real

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter, pick your fav

[novel star]

unless you don’t care about learning it which would be kinda based ngl but

assuming you do since ur asking questions

the guide answers all of them and more tho

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[limber lion]

yo

[normal mist]

yo

there are new commands!

[limber lion]

I think this is the 3rd time you answer the same thing I answered

:(

But yeah fancy command

[novel star]

owned

[limber lion]

I'll start spamming it instead

[normal mist]

It's easier bro

[limber lion]

True

[normal mist]

most of the time we wasting the keyboard

[novel star]

why am i up at 8:30 reading the fucking sin chat

i never should have come back 2 wow

it’s over

[limber lion]

True

[vagrant pawn]

I'm just hanging out, bored at work lol

[worthy sparrow]

yep

[hasty moat]

Hello, what are the macros for Assassination?

[limber lion]

Ain't many

Cold Blood + Envenom

Deathmark + Trinket

That's it

I don't use either personally but those are the common ones

[hasty moat]

If only there was a trinket suitable for this Deathmark + Trinket

[normal mist]

any 2min CD trinket is good enough

[hasty moat]

What trinkets do you know in TWW?

[normal mist]

literally none*

[hasty moat]

For example

[normal mist]

edited*

[vagrant pawn]

There's a trinket list on wowhead

[normal mist]

yeah

[limber lion]

?

Literally bis trinket

2 min

Stat boost

Literally perfect for DM + Trinket macro

[hasty moat]

There are trinkets from raids and M+

[normal mist]

but they arent out yet

[limber lion]

Yeah

But he was asking about macros in general

And what people use

That's it

If you don't have an instant on-use 2 min trinket, then don't use the macro

[hasty moat]

I meant what to use now

[normal mist]

probably nothing

until you have something

[hasty moat]

Got it, it means you just need to wait for the full release

[arctic venture]

now is time to have fun

[placid adder]

im using egg and pvp badge

[arctic venture]

dont worrie about the future bro

let is go

[limber lion]

Just use whatever you can get

[hasty moat]

By the way, has anyone passed the Tower of Mages?

[limber lion]

Yes

[normal mist]

yeah

the og one and the one released during SL

[hasty moat]

Any tips for passing?
I want to go through it myself

[limber lion]

There's a guide for it which goes through everything you need to know

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/mage-tower-dps-challenge-sigryn

[normal mist]

I've heard that it is extremely hard to do right now, not sure because i haven't tried myself after the expansion launch

[limber lion]

Important bit is to get all the consumables you can, maintain 100% activity in dps and never stop hitting

And dodge everything

[normal mist]

and then step everything

hehehe

[novel star]

if only u could get the appearances

mage tower stuff so fire

[limber lion]

Huh?

What appearances?

[pliant remnant]

[limber lion]

What do you mean "if only"?

I mean, just get it

[pliant remnant]

He meant the artifact weapon appearances

that you could only get during Legion

[limber lion]

Right

The tints

[grim prawn]

Ok now I got a hang of it a little bit but it still feels weird in m+

[novel star]

a hang of what?

[limber lion]

The daggers truly are pretty dank

[grim prawn]

Running around dotting stuff

[pliant remnant]

I'm so sad I can't get the orange kitty form for my druid

[novel star]

oh nice

[limber lion]

I use either them or Warblades

[novel star]

sin aoe is pretty different to other classes in the game

keep @ it

[grim prawn]

Yeah it’s very annoying

[novel star]

well it shouldn’t be like annoying lol

[limber lion]

Maybe it's not the spec for you if it's annoying to you lol

[limber lion]

Yeaaah same

[novel star]

havoc glaives :///

so much swag inaccessible

if only i started playing one expansion earlier

[grim prawn]

Being so reliant on energy is just sad imo

Gameplay wise

[limber lion]

?

Brother this is not the class for you

[novel star]

that’s just the class idunno

[limber lion]

Might wanna look into playing a warrior or something instead

[grim prawn]

Ok

[novel star]

every class has to think about a resource of some kind

[grim prawn]

Not really

[novel star]

yes really

[limber lion]

Say one

Literally one class

[novel star]

everything in wow has a resource nowadays

energy is just a diff flavour of it

[limber lion]

One class that doesn't think about a resource

[novel star]

feels pretty bad if you’re not used to it to be fair

[grim prawn]

All the casters

All melees except rogues

[woeful meteor]

[novel star]

rage? chi?

[cunning cloak]

Yeah dk has infinite runes and rp

[limber lion]

LUL

[cunning cloak]

And dh infinite fury

[grim prawn]

Ur pretty much overcapped on rage

[novel star]

ok this is accurate to be fair

[rotund marsh]

turns out im dumb

[limber lion]

It's okay

[rotund marsh]

the hekili reccomending the garrotes was only in aoe and i forgot to turn on the reccomend target swap option

so it didnt tell me to swap to another target to garrote

[grim prawn]

Like as a rogue I come to a point where I wanna press buttons but I can’t cuz no energy

I don’t like that

[novel star]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[limber lion]

Yeah, time to switch classes then

[novel star]

in aoe you basically can ignore energy if you maintain ruptures

but yeah

[rotund marsh]

has rogue always been that way

[novel star]

energy management is just a thing you have to do

[limber lion]

Yes

[novel star]

yes

[rotund marsh]

ah i see

[novel star]

pooling existed in classic and still exists to this day

energy is the whole class

[limber lion]

Currently we manage energy much less than before in any other expansion

[minor swift]

where could i read btw why we should save the sparks

[limber lion]

Pins

[novel star]

because they’re a time gated resource just like in dragonflight

and items/classes are still being tuned right now

[minor swift]

tyt y

[novel star]

i wasted my spark because i’m based(stupid)

[formal harness]

so we saving sparks? or is it a thing to craft dagger or smth

[limber lion]

Again

Pins

[novel star]

you should really wait until season starts but yeah i mean the pins and guide have all of this

[formal harness]

fair .-.

[novel star]

people being upset about energy is wild to me cause it already doesn’t exist in aoe

and like

[minor swift]

tbf i think our energy is fine?

aslong as u rupture alot of things

[novel star]

it’s like picking paladin and being mad about holy power or whatever

resources r the defining feature of pretty much every class for years now lol

[novel star]

in aoe yeah

but it’s still a real thing in st

[rotund marsh]

i know the addon is bad but what should i set this to

[proper ravine]

best trinket in heroic dungeon ?

[rotund marsh]

basically what energy should you be at when pooling to cast envenom

[surreal citrus]

waiting to pool energy in single target is your chance to talk smack in /g or alt tab and do the same on twitter or something

optimization

[rotund marsh]

lol

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[rotund marsh]

while youre pooling you can pull up the lowest dps in details and shit talk them lol

[limber lion]

Don't wanna talk shit about yourself

[rotund marsh]

theres always someone worse

surely

[vocal widget]

just came back to assassin from s3, and man, deathstalker feels so bad with so many anti stealth mobs

with no subterfuge at least

[broken ember]

Hey Guys - pretty new to Retail.. i ve got a small question:
in aoe situations do i swap targets to spread bleeds like garrote/rupture "better" or do they spread as good without swapping the target?

cant rly test it in hcs because mobs are dead too fast

[novel star]

optimally you should be swapping or using a mouseover macro yes

[limber lion]

Subterfuge literally changes nothing

Our entire kit already works without Subterfuge

It adds nothing

[vale shore]

even worse than shadowheart?

[novel star]

garrotte twice on 1 target spreads to 5 mobs (second one is “wasted” on main target refresh), swapping gets you a full 6

[limber lion]

Idk how you're getting thrown off stealth and not getting an Ambush in

[novel star]

if you’re in a 5 target pack swapping doesn’t do anything obviously but yeh

[limber lion]

It depends on target count entirely. It's fine to spam one target with Garrotes if you're fighting 3-5 or 7 targets

But if you're fighting exactly 6 or 8+, then you should be swapping

[novel star]

?

isn’t it just strictly optimal

[limber lion]

It makes no difference

[novel star]

ah i guess you’re hitting a 3rd one regardless at 7 is your point yea ic

[proper ravine]

best trinket from dungeon ?

[broken ember]

aight, i am using a mouseover anyways, but thought maybe its not neccessary
but i guess ill keep it

thx guys

[novel star]

it’s not “necessary” but it is optimal

[dusky token]

Which hero spec does more dps in single target and aoe? Fate bound or deathstalker?

[novel star]

and literally free damage for minimal effort

[limber lion]

I don't use mouseovers whatsoever personally

[novel star]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[limber lion]

Deathstalker if played perfectly, but it's a buggy mess and feels bad to play to many

[dusky token]

ty

[true hearth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rich kayak]

Is it okay to spend our weathed crests?

[minor swift]

" Using weathered crests is fine those are pointless when the season starts"

[weary shoal]

!wa+

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[weary shoal]

!macro

!macros

[normal mist]

there aren't really any macros

besides cold blood + envenom

and Deathmark + trinket + potions

[twin plume]

we need a command

[limber lion]

nah

[dapper cradle]

!goon

[strange python]

Morning

[normal mist]

yoo

[rotund oak]

its noon here but hi

[uncut knot]

Yo, cant seem to find right talents for MM+ as ASSA, could some1 paste me his ? The one pinned doesnt work for me i dont know why 😄

[flat musk]

Why is it that when I kill a mob with Darkest Night I sometimes get the buff back but other times I don't?

[subtle tundra]

theres like 4 different builds you can play lol

[strange python]

I’ve really been thinking about switching to Bleed and using fatebound. Just to give it a try

[subtle tundra]

there isnt one best

[uncut knot]

Oh rly, its been a while since i've played assa, isnt there a typical bleed build for "beginners" ?

[limber lion]

There is

It's just the bleed build

All the bleed nodes

[rotund oak]

most builds are within 2%

[limber lion]

AP, Sudden Demise, Scent, IG, Shrouded

[rotund oak]

there is nothing to worry about,just test and see what suits u better

[uncut knot]

Can i find the talent paste bin somewhere ? the one pinned its working

[strange python]

I technically have bleed build with death stalker

Hybrid and bleed pretty much the same

[rotund oak]

yes,all bleeds are pretty much the same

minor tweaks

here and there

[strange python]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

@uncut knot

[uncut knot]

Ty bro

[dapper cradle]

Yeah this happens to me too

[keen nacelle]

Hey guys. Would you cast "Imperfect Ascendancy Serum" before the pull or before casting Deathmark with your opener? (1.5 sec cast time = 4k agility)

[normal mist]

I'd cast it right before DM

[keen nacelle]

Thank you!

[languid gate]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[strange python]

For ST Fatebound, do we still stealth into ambush?

[normal mist]

There's no reason to ambush with fatebound

there's no mark to apply

[limber lion]

@spice spire whatchu hiding there buddy

[spice spire]

I’m in stealth wtf

[rich chasm]

is there a list of dungeon mechanics we can shadowmeld/vanish for yet?

[limber lion]

#wow-general message

[rich chasm]

perfect, thank you ❤️

[shrewd blade]

yo does anyone have a bleed tracker like it can tell me how many targets are affected by rupture at any given moment

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice spire]

Plater helps

[slim hamlet]

If it is for Scent of blood, I am pretty sure you can just make a buff tracker for it

[shrewd blade]

yea oh okay bet

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure it shows number for how many stacks on the buff

So should be easy by showing stacks on the buff in weakaura

[flint marsh]

my talent tree is bugged in a way I think whispyr would approve of

[worldly bridge]

Is there a WA for this ?

[slim hamlet]

Forced to get +5% dps

pog

[flint marsh]

the devs listened!

[slim hamlet]

Bro just leaked 11.1

[eternal ferry]

Does the mark still not work with echoing rep? Or did it get fixed?

[normal mist]

It doesn't

[fierce wave]

Are there sheets on Rogue for TWW ? (Sims etc.)?

[normal mist]

Not really

A lot of stuff is still bugged

[fierce wave]

I see

Ty

[daring cave]

Hello everyone, I was wonder what Poisons do we use

[spring stream]

is amplifying poison optional?

[normal mist]

Depends on the builds

And this answers both questions

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

Does outlw better dps than assa in Mythic +?
Fuu spreadsheet said outlaw is much better

[dark token]

wait rogues can equip bows right

can i craft a 2h bow 590

then upgrade my 1h daggers to 590 crest free

saving 15 crest

[little tulip]

is that true

that was just a dragonflight season thing

cause i have 2 explorer daggers and i still have to pay flightstones..so wait ur probably right? who knows.

[normal mist]

No

[normal mist]

Yeah it's not like that 100%. Downtime exists, burst windows exist

[strange python]

crestcels when i upgrade my items because i enjoy being stronger and not minmaxing

also two handed weapons take 30 crests and double flight stones to upgrade

[dark token]

they only take 15 crests to craft tho

[haughty flicker]

yeah the cost increase for 2h weapons doesnt seem to have carried over to tww

[fiery mauve]

[spice surge]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[crude ridge]

guys why do we use deathmark while stealth please?

[normal mist]

Wdym while stealth

[strange python]

Seems like ST Fatebound is a little weaker than Hybrid Deathstalker.

Well at least to me it does.

[normal mist]

2% +/-

[crude ridge]

we don't?

[normal mist]

No

[strange python]

My dps went up to like 624k playing Hybrid DS

My dps went to like 500s when playing ST Fatebound

[spice surge]

Not sure what youre asking

[crude ridge]

saw a video of a guys doing vanish into deathmark then garrot and rupture

for the stronger versions of garrot i think

[novel storm]

Is is safe to upg heroic items with weathered crests?

[strange python]

You're supposed to vanish into garrote for improved garrote

[spice surge]

Vanish gives you improved garrote

Which you want to line up with deathmark

But it doesnt matter when you apply it

[crude ridge]

is it better to deathmark before vanish or during the subterfuge time?

oh ok

[strange python]

Deathmark automatically applies when you rupture I believe.

Or is it ambush?

[normal mist]

No

[spice surge]

Thats deathstalkers mark

[strange python]

Oh right.

[rapid plover]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crude ridge]

talking about this

[strange python]

Yeah confused.

My bad.

[slate crown]

Nice

[strange python]

You deathmark before vanish.

[normal mist]

No

Holy damn

Can you stop giving random answers

[spice surge]

Whispyr had a mentyB and made a bunch of bot commands

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-dog-bang-gif-18192743

New bot commands new bot commands

[crude ridge]

we should garrot and rupture after deathmark and preferably during subterfuge, and deathmark should be casted before these then?

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

As long as you have imp garrote up during deathmark

[crude ridge]

oh okay nice

should i use dathmark right away in single target?

[hot fulcrum]

fck

[strange python]

You are supposed to deathmark before using vanish.

[normal mist]

Did you read the openers?

[strange python]

That wasn't a random answer.

[normal mist]

Just a wrong one

[hot fulcrum]

you want to have everything up BEFORE deathmark

to not lose any DM ticks

[crude ridge]

i'm going pvp so the openers i see are always different i'm confused

[strange python]

I was replying to Narretto.

[hot fulcrum]

vanish + imp garrote + DM

[normal mist]

Oh this is the wrong channel for pvp

#pvp

[crude ridge]

yes but i would guess single target rotation would be around the same?

[normal mist]

Ehhhhh

[crude ridge]

especially the DM stuff

[normal mist]

Go in there and ask @hollow river

[crude ridge]

okok ty

[fast olive]

pvp doesn't really have set rotations, it's too situational

[normal mist]

Yeah

[normal mist]

Why then

Where does it say that you're supposed to do that

[haughty flicker]

i mean theres still a correct way to press your buttons

[strange python]

Dawg. It's in the WoWhead guide.

[novel storm]

guys Is is safe to upg heroic items with weathered crests? which ones are going to be used for lower lvl m+s?

[haughty flicker]

you arent going full pve but you still follow a basic rotation in your go

[normal mist]

Where

Just point me in the right direction

I rather know if I'm wrong

[normal mist]

That's the opener

[hot fulcrum]

it's just opener. bcz you already have imp garrote from opener stealth

[strange python]

Alright I assumed he was talking about the opener. That's my bad.

[hot fulcrum]

so in opener you use vanish to make imp garrote longer during DM

[normal mist]

Yes

Around 6sec remaining

On garrote you vanish garr

After that you delay DM and vanish garr dm

[hollow river]

you guys are talking strictly PvE now right?

[normal mist]

That one guy was talking pvp

I told him to talk to you in pvp

[strange python]

However in the ST priority you are supposed to vanish before appliying deathmark.

[hollow river]

ahh

[strange python]

I might switch back to Hybrid DS

[normal mist]

On the second DM yes

[strange python]

DM?

[hot fulcrum]

deathmark

[strange python]

Ah I see.

But tbh I kind of like ST Fatebound.

It's not much of a dps difference either.

[hidden zinc]

Hm haste do we need % wise?

[normal mist]

Sim %

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hidden zinc]

Ah ty 🙂

[lucid meteor]

I really like the flow and playstyle of assa right now, I just wished there weren’t so many bugs with mark

[normal mist]

Same

[crystal basin]

anyone got a BiS list for me ❤️

[normal mist]

Yes

[normal mist]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[river patrol]

hi guys i would like to craft gear for assa for m+ i know that i should put crit and mastery but how much haste should i have cause i fell going full crit mastery i am gonna lack on haste or?

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rose sun]

Is there a way to have the gear be good for both sub and assassination?

I mostly raid and I wonder if Sub will be the spec for raid content over assassination

[grim jay]

@balmy condor maybe a good idea to make the last point fat and with underscore

[rose sun]

^im also a first time rogue so I’m only going off what some guildies said about sub vs assassination

[gusty mirage]

realistically, optimizing your stats for each spec will be a little different. So there's a trade off you'll have to do either way. Both like mastery, sub likes vers because it has cold blood for sectech, whereas Assa likes crit more than vers because seal fate

you can try to do a health mix of crit/mastery and vers/mastery and it won't kill your dps for either spec

or just fully lean into one and just accept you're giving up a few % of dps (big emphasis on few, like at most I've seen restatting gear be like 1.2%) for the other spec

[rose sun]

I was thinking about that just Lea big into one and hoping for the best with the other.

[gusty mirage]

ye you'll be fine playing assa with high vers, or sub with high crit

it won't be exactly optimal, but you're not inting either

[rose sun]

I’m not a world first raider / CE raider

So I can afford a 1-2% diff for keeping my sanity of not having to min max two specs haha

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

most based zero I've ever seen

[gusty mirage]

maintaining multiple sets of gear has to be the most annoying part of wow ngl

[mint urchin]

Is there a target count where you just spam CT or is Caustic + Envenom always the better play assuming the CT dot is up?

[gusty mirage]

CT doesn't do instant damage anymore, so you wouldn't spam it

[normal mist]

You don't spam CT

Fuck

[mint urchin]

Oh

[normal mist]

You win this time oxi

[mint urchin]

I thought it still had initial dam

thanks

[gusty mirage]

ye, that got changed relatively recently in the 10.2 rework

[grim jay]

honestly kinda okey-ish as long as you still actively run m+ for flightstones, if you are over that its joever for new gear sets aswell

[gusty mirage]

ye the new changes made it less miserable

for sure

[slate crown]

you made it less miserable. any by it I mean everything

[radiant raven]

It has a very pleasing animation though..

[balmy condor]

Damn.

[rare jackal]

did they fix spatter not working with singular focus?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[rare jackal]

big

[balmy condor]

Sanguine blades still doesn’t work

But ya know

[slate crown]

damn

[pure raptor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[pulsar apex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[runic hinge]

Any hangover?

[balmy condor]

Idk not really

But I did wake up at 6:15

For absolutely no fucking reason

[mint urchin]

any plater coders up in here able to help me fix a Caustic Spatter function?

[balmy condor]

Depends on what the function is

[frail geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint urchin]

I got it to work, it just turns the bar green if spatter is on... but im getting an error

[balmy condor]

Screenshot the code

[mellow oasis]

, not .

[balmy condor]

Ye

[mint urchin]

Oh sweet, thanks

[balmy condor]

Also you should use Plater.UnitHasAura not NameplateHasAura ideally