assassination

[granite mantle]

isnt it reitred?

[minor swift]

but i'd assume you do v high tier mythics rightttt

[indigo mulch]

There are some really cracked sin players around here.

[whole sand]

whenever i use a wa app it just gets stuck installing shit

[novel star]

weakauras companion works fine

[balmy condor]

Not really no

[novel star]

i just started using it for the first time in my life like 2 days ago

[indigo mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[whole sand]

is it better than the wago one?

[balmy condor]

I don’t have time in my life to maintain all the resources and still also smash my face into m+ for 12 hours a day

[novel star]

wago is the one that doesn’t support plater or something isn’t it

[indigo mulch]

This is why you need to quit working so you can focus on whats important in life.

[minor swift]

understandable

[indigo mulch]

[earnest remnant]

tbf you could easily raid top 100 i think

[balmy condor]

Yeah I could

I like my guild though

[earnest remnant]

m+ you can cut down like 95% of the grind you need by just having a static group

[minor swift]

is there any "leaderboard" where you can see the top assa rouge etc

[indigo mulch]

Playing in like a top50ish guild requires to much time investments ;C

[earnest remnant]

like the way my group does it

4 weeks in total during a season where we play

[novel star]

raider.io i guess

[earnest remnant]

my guild is top 50 its really not that bad until you get into top 20 area

thats when split hell comes in

[balmy condor]

Yes but uh…. High end m+ does stuff to your brain, it’s like watching egg white solidify into cooked proteins

[indigo mulch]

Thats true actually. I've not played in anything above top100 in my career. :S

[earnest remnant]

like my schedule is 3 days a week

during prog

[nova aspen]

i like watching my eggs cook

[earnest remnant]

10hours and 45min a week

[indigo mulch]

That's not bad.

[minor swift]

yeah yeah, im just also curious how those who play at the top do talents, rotation etc

[balmy condor]

Watching a certain high end m+ rogue track doomblade made my eyes hurt

[novel star]

@balmy condor do wow builds have a similar issue to like league items where people just ignore/deny math to copy suboptimal shit because pros are doing it

[indigo mulch]

But finding a 3 week guild that manages to dop top50 on a 3 days schedule and not cancer to play with is pretty rare though

[novel star]

im not as experienced with wow in this area

[balmy condor]

Yes but arguably worse

[nova aspen]

i dont even know what doomblade is

[novel star]

oh fuck

surely not worse

it’s REALLY bad in league

[earnest remnant]

i cant wait to do speed kills again next season, imma cook some absolutely horrible assa builds

[balmy condor]

It’s REALLY bad in wow

[spice surge]

Definitely worse

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

so people keep poking whispyr about them

[novel star]

FUCK

[spice surge]

Because the math in wow is way better with simc

[whole sand]

without a trace is good

[balmy condor]

Especially with mythic+

[novel star]

why do both the games i like the most have the same issue 😭

[balmy condor]

Mythic+ players will close their eyes and forcibly give themselves a lobotomy if it meant they could ignore math

[indigo mulch]

<---

[minor swift]

xd

[earnest remnant]

hey now

[novel star]

awesome

[earnest remnant]

me and Eleem do m+ sometimes

[spice surge]

youre an allstar

[indigo mulch]

I equip high ilvl. I hit things, then i loot then i leave.

[earnest remnant]

and we sometimes do math

[spare nimbus]

Is ST rotation just use CDs on CD together, keep tempest, garrote and rupture up, and spam envenom and use slice n dice once? Mix in thistle/shiv correct times?

[static glacier]

no

[spice surge]

Dont tempest on ST

[static glacier]

dont keep tempest up

[spare nimbus]

But everything else?

[static glacier]

ye

[novel star]

you only do tempest at 3+ targets same as fan afaik

[spare nimbus]

and aoe basically the same except you tempest and dont focus as much on garrote compared to rupture for scent of blood? and use FOK instead of muti (except muti every 10sec for the thing)

[dapper valley]

sin is doing insane dmg in pve yo!

top dmg all the time

by miles

[spare nimbus]

Anyone got a sweet mark WA that turns to darkest night or something when its rdy

[solid venture]

just use whispyrs wa pack it has everything u need

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[minor swift]

sin? :)

nvm im dumb

[novel star]

assassination

[balmy condor]

Great example is just in the last 2-3 seasons, I’ve argued for taking iron wire is really good and really strong, and top players were dropping it for 1.5% dps.

For years I’ve been arguing restealths in m+ aren’t important because the math for dps ain’t there, but I’m apparently dumb for that because improved garrote and carnage exist so of course naturally restealthing has to be +300% dps right surely

So then now we have double vanish as a talent, which is mathematically horrid, like easily 3-5% worse right off the bat, but now apparently it’s taken by high end m+ rogues because need the restealth, but when I counter with the math for the damage, the argument now is “you take double vanish because of iron wire utility whispyr you big idiot! How did you not know that!”, which is the thing they were fucking dropping for 1% extra dps in the first place AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[minor swift]

yeah i got that 1 sec after i typed it lol

[earnest remnant]

ass

[novel star]

LMAO

okay i was under the assumption that in wow it’s more just like complacency but no

ppl do actively argue with numbers in every game it seems

[balmy condor]

No it’s legit just brainrot

[novel star]

🫡

[earnest remnant]

skibidi

[novel star]

i spent like 2-3 straight months arguing about one item on one champ in a league server

i didn’t get a single person ever to hover the item and tell me how much damage it dealt

out of like dozens of people getting mad at me

[minor swift]

i really appreciate you responding to everything tho :) ill just do w.e you showed, and ultimately go based on my feelings heh :p

[novel star]

caring about being optimal kinda sucks!

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean I don’t mind when people try their own things

I VERY MUCH MIND when they then pawn it off as some secret hidden op technology

[novel star]

yep

[earnest remnant]

On farm whispyr imma rock a double vanish build on one of our speed kills

get ready for the unslaught

[indigo mulch]

[minor swift]

but then also on the rouge talent tree why would you take "rushed setup" over "improved wound poison" if it can stack 2 additional times surely it also increased the dmg on KB?

[balmy condor]

Onslaught* learn English before you try and fuck with me you ratcoon

[earnest remnant]

"hIdDeN oP tEcH, dO tHiS aNd Do InFiNiTe DmAgE"

sorry english is my 4th language no bully

[balmy condor]

We don’t use wound poison

[minor swift]

ah mby wound posion is not a lethal poison aswell

[minor swift]

oke

[indigo mulch]

"New S+++ Tier Assassination build!! OP DAMAGE" I can already see the youtube videos.

[novel star]

legit getting ptsd remembering my league debates im so sorry its the same in this game LMFAO

[earnest remnant]

gonna cook up some crazy speed kills

just for Tiktok to call for us to get banned for exploiting

[balmy condor]

It’s okay hyeong, I still saranghae

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/korea-코리아-대한민국-비브라토-gif-8137832463459982691

[minor swift]

we use atropic, crippling, amp and deadly then ig?

[earnest remnant]

Hyung* learn korean before trying me bud

[balmy condor]

I wish you’d hyung yourself sometimes

[earnest remnant]

same

[balmy condor]

Damn

[indigo mulch]

제 한국어 실력은 훌륭합니다

[earnest remnant]

also Saranghae is just "love"

its missin a yo

at the end

[balmy condor]

Fuck you I don’t even speak this language

[novel star]

numbing>atrophic in m+ i think? but yes

[earnest remnant]

how do you know if i speak english or not?

have you heard me speaking it?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

I mean, you speak the superior language as a second language anyway Whispyr. Is ok.

[earnest remnant]

fak

[minor swift]

i just asumed atropic as whispyr has it in youtube heh

[balmy condor]

If only there was maybe a guide or something

That would outline these poisons

And when to take them

[novel star]

couldnt be

[balmy condor]

Maybe with a table

[spare nimbus]

I shouldnt mutilate to get caustic spatter up while IC is up right? Its not worth?

[balmy condor]

That divides them neatly

Into lethal and non lethal

[balmy condor]

Correct

Carnage is for bleeds

[earnest remnant]

very excellent indeed

[spare nimbus]

Ye just did a normal dung and everything died so fast i barely had caustic spatter dmg so i was wondering

[indigo mulch]

[minor swift]

thxn :D

[slate crown]

Yeah I don't focus on caustic at all in these heroics

I just apply bleeds, and I'm still running AP

[indigo mulch]

You barly have time to get caustic up in HC.

[waxen oyster]

i can caustic in pugs

[slate crown]

just because shit does so quick, and I just use shiv for aoe damage

[waxen oyster]

because the dps suck

[slate crown]

dies*

[balmy condor]

I’m considering dropping kingsbane entire when I run with my guild group

In pugs though it’s miserable

[waxen oyster]

just play bleed and watch everything insta die

[slate crown]

Plan on switching when we move out of heroics into M+

[waxen oyster]

to SD

[balmy condor]

How are people in heroics like 575 and barely doing 250k

I don’t get it

[slate crown]

But rn just shock build entirely

[novel star]

some combination of not caring because its a hc and just being bad

[waxen oyster]

same people who leave arakara after first boss

[balmy condor]

I farmed it with a 5 stack where we reset first boss over and over

[waxen oyster]

yeah i did it with guildies

[balmy condor]

I would insta run right and solo the mini boss while they went left

[waxen oyster]

we had a leech one drop

[balmy condor]

I had the middle mini boss at 40% by the time they caught up

4 people

What the fuck

[earnest remnant]

majority of the people in this game is absolutely horrible at the game

i see the same shit in Lost Ark all the time

people being like 80-100 ilvls above the content they are doing but getting beating by on ilvl people

[waxen oyster]

play classic angle

[novel star]

i cant wait to play world of warcraft catacl

mimimimi

honk shoo

[balmy condor]

[minor swift]

Btw what’s the point of DTB if u consider dropping KB

[silk bane]

a racoon is mole people shaming.

smh

[balmy condor]

There isn’t a point

In normals last week I wasn’t even talented into deathmark

[violet sonnet]

is it already safe to craft with our sparks? or better wait until the raid is out?

[minor swift]

But now I’m confused you said it wasn’t worth losing the single target dps

[balmy condor]

Wait for now

[earnest remnant]

bro you have seen some of the screenshots ive sent you

[minor swift]

So why would you drop KB

[earnest remnant]

its bad

sometimes

[slate crown]

Whispyr crab build?

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s normal and heroic dungeons

[somber nimbus]

In Aoe, I should always be in stealth then, pop ambush to try to get more bleeds on more targets??

[slate crown]

I have kb and deathmark but I only use them on bosses

[minor swift]

Ah so when you mentioned to drop KB you weren’t talking about mythics

[slate crown]

otherwise they just sit on cd

[somber nimbus]

if i can that is

[whole snow]

Whispyr do u have a current assa patchwerk sim?

[slate crown]

I really don't need to have them in my build

[balmy condor]

Current meaning what

[whole snow]

Idk working I guess

Someone linked me some cooked patchwerk sim that showed 3 mil dps

[balmy condor]

That confused me even more

Bis is like 1.4

[whole snow]

Does that make sense

[balmy condor]

Would assume it’s not single target sim

Or it’s from like a week ago

[whole snow]

It said 5 min patchwerk with 3.3 mil dps

[balmy condor]

When was it simmed

[whole snow]

No idea

[balmy condor]

No idea either then

Last week blizzard fucked the spell data on food

So feasts were giving like 140,000 agility or something

But if it’s recent then idk what that sim it

Would need to see the sim

[whole snow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/38bWK148npyweG3Px1bzg8

Found it

Oh it’s for sub

[sullen mural]

that is not assa

[verbal blaze]

LMAO

[whole snow]

I am illiterate btw

It’s still cooked either way

August 25th it says lol

[novel star]

me when i dont look at the items

[whole snow]

That’s max myth track ilvl

???

[novel star]

ah

[whole snow]

You when you are unaware

[novel star]

i thought u were talking like currently accessible shit compared to this lol

[silk bane]

this is how misinformation gets spread by idiots who ont look at anything, just see a number say woah must be true. (not pointed at you).

[novel star]

im just sleepy

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the good thing

[silk bane]

if you want an explenation for this sim, there was a bug with simc food buffs, they were giving you like 20k agi

[balmy condor]

6 days ago

[whole snow]

Yeah someone linked that in my guild and said rogue is nuts

Like bro there’s no way

[grim prawn]

What’s our openers on packs in m+?

[sullen mural]

You dot everything

[novel star]

WOWHEAD DOT COM

[violet sonnet]

wowhead guide is fine for tww? not like the scuffed df guide?

[grim prawn]

I’m so energy starved all the time

[earnest remnant]

what was wrong with the DF guide for assa lol?

[sullen mural]

Thistle tea

snipe stuff with rupture

[violet sonnet]

@grim prawn put on poisions

[sullen mural]

for refund

that dies

[novel star]

if you are energy starved you didnt apply bleeds

you need like 6 bleeds up or something to spam spells every gcd and remove energy as a mechanic

[grim prawn]

Man so much to keep track off compared to warrior

[copper pollen]

when using iron wire is the intial buff to KB more important as buffs the overall damage or only last 8 seconds for big ticks?

[novel star]

sin aoe is a little complicated but its not unlearnable

i believe in you

just remember that rogue is not a class without energy because you cant press buttons

[earnest remnant]

what does Ironwire have to do with KB?

[grim prawn]

Warrior we just unga bunga

[novel star]

and you get energy by using rupture

use rupture

[grim prawn]

Same openers

[novel star]

you can also play outlaw

[earnest remnant]

Ironwire is a silence + dmg reduction onto mobs

[novel star]

if you want a baby no brain spec

that doesnt change rotation for aoe

[grim prawn]

But assa is much better ?

[novel star]

who knows!

its still being tuned

[sullen mural]

Assa sucks in heroic

big balls

everything dies to fast

😭

[copper pollen]

i mean shiv window. late and tired sorry

[waxen oyster]

sudden demise

[violet sonnet]

@sullen mural depends on the group. also the execute is nice

[novel star]

ultimately you will get the best results playing a class you actually understand and enjoy

[earnest remnant]

if playing 1 charge

[grim prawn]

I’m just spamming fan of knives and the aoe finisher

[earnest remnant]

then the last 8 sec

[sullen mural]

Yes ofcourse execute is nice but

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

if two, to cover all of it

[grim prawn]

[sullen mural]

being able to kingsbane a prio target

and spread it with caustic

[novel star]

Crimson tempest does not generate energy

[sullen mural]

is also nice

[waxen oyster]

and thats why you’re starved

[novel star]

read the tooltip for venomous wounds, the energy income is only on garrote and rupture ticks

also spamming CT doesnt do damage anymore

its only a dot, no instant damage

[grim prawn]

I’m using instant poison

That’s bad?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[novel star]

yes

[waxen oyster]

read the guide

[grim prawn]

[waxen oyster]

[novel star]

deadly poison and amp poison both are the same as instant poison + extra effects

instant does literally nothing

[balmy condor]

Not understanding basics of the spec and then not doing damage

[light garnet]

[balmy condor]

The world is making sense

[violet sonnet]

@grim prawn in this case you really gotta read the wowhead guide right now

[novel star]

yea

[grim prawn]

I guess so

[novel star]

the guide has a section for basics

you dont have to read the rotation part first

if its overwhelming

just understand what your class is even doing

before you try to learn how to play it

[violet sonnet]

my jaw just dropped from that "instant poison"..

[grim prawn]

Did it

[novel star]

👍

[balmy condor]

Knowing just basic interactions and being able to read the tooltips on your skills is a long forgotten ability it seems

Tons of people just like

[grim prawn]

I played rogue in vanilla

Last time

[balmy condor]

Failing basic knowledge checks

[grim prawn]

[novel star]

u get venomous wounds at like level 12 dont u ...

thats like 5 seconds into leveling

[balmy condor]

Yeh but like even with deathstalker

[novel star]

you read the tooltip

surely

SURELY

[balmy condor]

The capstone talent

People don’t read

[grim prawn]

I haven’t read any tooltips

[balmy condor]

And then go “wow this sucks”

[novel star]

theyre good to read you should know what your spells are doing

[balmy condor]

Cause they don’t get that it reapplies marks

[grim prawn]

I just leveled up my rogue from 1 couple of hours ago

[novel star]

knowing when to press a button will never let you be as good as someone who understands why

[balmy condor]

Also the fuck is that supposed to mean

[novel star]

LMFAOOOOO

u got owned there

tbh

[normal mist]

Whispyr just go offline

[sullen mural]

Yo guys instant poison bad?

[grim prawn]

Went into some TWW dungs and was like “yeah this doesn’t flow right”

[normal mist]

you're being cooked alive

[balmy condor]

The scuffed guide that race to world first rogues used

Incredible

[novel star]

yeah rogue in classic is a no mechanics class

there is really no cross over except energy and combo points which both have different logic now anyway

[violet sonnet]

@balmy condor came back mid dragonflight and the guide didnt align with nearly every log i had open as example. probably not updated for s3 ?

[normal mist]

AH! But these players are NOT race to world first rogues, thats why they don't get it

[normal mist]

bruh

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

high logs doesnt mean the build is optimal

it just means a player in high keys took a build

that is pointless information

any insanely good player can take a build that is bad

[balmy condor]

We get paid to update the guide, there’s deadlines to have it maintained and updated for new seasons

[novel star]

by clicking left mouse on the wrong talent

[fiery saffron]

There is always Ele Shaman, click Chain Lightning and Earthquake, Tempest when procced, rinse and repeat.

[somber nimbus]

at what point do you say, im going to stop spreading bleeds in aoe, you cant just keep spreading bleeds all the time right?

[grim prawn]

Who pays u?

[balmy condor]

Season 3 the guide was legit the most accurate it ever was

[balmy condor]

Wowhead

[normal mist]

Next we'll read "But this streamer did it this way"

[novel star]

wowhead.com

[grim prawn]

I have one

[sullen mural]

I mean you kinda just do it in the opener rn cuz things die too fast in heroics

You can like shoot out some ruptures but idk

Poison bomb prob does more cuz stuff wont survive

And caustic is huge

[novel star]

Never.

[violet sonnet]

@balmy condor might be a bad timing from my side anyways. never had problems before.

[novel star]

bleeds are your top priority

[balmy condor]

Rogues in liquid legit had a chat command in their stream that was like “don’t ask me how to play assa just read the wowhead guide” during their prog

[novel star]

if you dont have bleeds you cant press other buttons because you dont have energy

[somber nimbus]

what do you mean

[novel star]

THIS

VENOMOUS WOUNDS LEVEL 12 TALENT !!!

[somber nimbus]

i mean what if things die too fast

[sullen mural]

Just do it in the opener

you get like

10 blees out if not more

[novel star]

if they die too fast you were never in a situation where you had to reapply bleeds in the first place so it doesnt matter

[spice surge]

But theyre using ashes but branch is simming better?

[novel star]

you still need to bleed in your opener to have energy for the rest of the pull

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[balmy condor]

Fun fact, that was in the guide as well

[grim prawn]

Man back in vanilla we applied instant poison on our weps

[novel star]

vanilla is a fake game with no mechanics

warlocks were casting shadow bolt 20 gcds in a row

[spice surge]

That requires you to read

[balmy condor]

Back in vanilla you also tracked swing timers

[sullen mural]

Swing timers 🐐

[grim prawn]

U cheap shot into kidney with instant poison and mage died

That was it

[balmy condor]

Shit

[novel star]

whispyr you should make the entire guide a bunch of images like the opener

[grim prawn]

I’m a warrior I still track swing timer

[novel star]

and make it interactible like put little bubbles that show up and if you pop it it makes a cool sound

[sullen mural]

?XD

[zinc willow]

you dont have a swing timer weak aura in tww? casual

[violet sonnet]

@novel star that would be a warrior guide.

[novel star]

swing timer doesnt do anything in retail

its literally like a removed mechanic

[grim prawn]

Not for arms

[rotund osprey]

Do I just slam vanish on cd or if I need to apply several garrotes now? Same with Thistle Tea, any point in using it for Mastery buff in KB?

[balmy condor]

Yes for vanish, or line it up with deathmark for burst, thistle tea is for energy

[slate crown]

what fucking cursed ass convo did I just join

[sullen mural]

If stuff survives long enough yes, you should vanish to reapllys

[slate crown]

that swing timers

are being mentioned

[balmy condor]

Now’s not a good time dear

[novel star]

for rage i guess?

[grim prawn]

Ofc

[novel star]

but that still sounds so fake

[balmy condor]

It’s…

[sullen mural]

Kinda is fake

[balmy condor]

A mess in here

[novel star]

im locked in tbh

big things happening in ravenholdt

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

HAHAH

[grim prawn]

Warrior brain trying to learn rogue

[normal mist]

we don't zugzug

(we do sometimes)

[sullen mural]

Can you read the guide before asking questions though

😭

[vale shore]

My bot just informed me swimg timers have been mentioned. Are they back?

[normal mist]

No

[raven merlin]

are there any sims for the new race?

[normal mist]

?

bro

If you were a world first raider i would (not really) understand that question

[silk bane]

never left

[novel star]

reading is too hard

[balmy condor]

I just rubbed the bridge of my nose so hard my fingers went straight through my skull

[silk bane]

we've alwaysbeen back

[novel star]

you should go to the ER

that sounds bad!

[normal mist]

its too expensive

[spice surge]

Why should he go to echoing reprimand?

[silk bane]

nah walk it off

[balmy condor]

The doctors would just tell me to restealth

[novel star]

I'm going to do it.

[grim prawn]

Also what does the blue combo points mean lol

[novel star]

IM GOING TO DO IT

[normal mist]

read Echoing reprimand

[balmy condor]

Okay well

[slate crown]

I just so happened to have turned on your hour and a half long M+ video while I was making food to listen and just finished you talking about restealths and wat, I'm ready to go

[violet sonnet]

by the way.. is stealth bugged right now? its canceling alot in the past week or is it just me

[slate crown]

as I sat back down

[balmy condor]

I think that’s my queue to go scream

[sullen mural]

It hurts when the guide is basicly answering most questions...

[novel star]

please please read tooltips

i know u said u played in classic

u do not understand literally any of your spells right now

[raven merlin]

if u mean its not necessary if im not raidin world first, ok, but it dont answer my question

[vale shore]

A lot of boss right now knock you out of stealth o. The pull

[novel star]

you cant just use other people as google when u have like a 2 text line tooltip

ingame

that does it

[normal mist]

it does 100 more dps

[sullen mural]

Thats why you pull the boss with ambush with tricks of the trade!

[slate crown]

!stealthbreak Don't know if anything has changed lately, may be one of these

[solar lake]

yo, is deathstalker mark bugged? sometimes a mob dies with 2 or 1, and i dont get the darkest night buff

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[somber nimbus]

can we macro kingsbane and deathsmark together?

shold we?

[slate crown]

You cannot.

[novel star]

no

they are both on the gcd!

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

HAHAHSDHJKGADKHJ

[normal mist]

Whats happening with this channel today

are we outlaw

i dont see yellows tho

[novel star]

im fucking crying

[somber nimbus]

bro come on gimme breakj

[zinc willow]

has anybody asked for a cast sequence macro to play for them?

[novel star]

the brain melting in here

[somber nimbus]

i just starte rogue

[normal mist]

oh no a yellow

[normal mist]

and yes xD

[vale shore]

Can I just macro all my skills to one button and have a drinking bird play while I do chores?

[earnest remnant]

did anybody say castsequence

[novel star]

its okay but just like think for a second or maybe a second and a half if ur feeling brave

before u hit enter on some stuff

[balmy condor]

whats the bird drinking

[earnest remnant]

white monsters

[balmy condor]

based

[vale shore]

They key I bound it to ostensibly

[sullen mural]

Yo can i just like teach my cat how to play and do nothing

[zinc willow]

is there any dps increase to give my bird a sugar free monster?

[somber nimbus]

some feisty rogues in here

[normal mist]

yes

[novel star]

being new and learning is fine but theres a guide and tooltips you can be reading which would allow you to learn a lot faster

[normal mist]

nah, just keep in mind 99.9% of the questions are answered in the tooltips / talents and the wowhead guide

and yet we keep answering the same things 1000 times a day

[twin plume]

What should i craft

[normal mist]

we have way too many commands right now to prevent so much texting

[sullen mural]

Yo guys should i press abilities

or nah

[zinc willow]

man i find it wild how often people @ whispyr for the most basic questions lol

[balmy condor]

okay I'm making !craft a command as well since we can't read pins either apparently

[vale shore]

I type /cast for everything manually

[balmy condor]

losing my shit!

[slate crown]

Check out the channel pins.

[grim prawn]

Okay so the echoing reprimand empowers our combo points does that mean we always use finishers when we got blue combo points or what

[twin plume]

It was

[normal mist]

by the way

[twin plume]

It was /s to que with the dumb questions

[waxen oyster]

Yoy dont even need to craft anything

[violet sonnet]

ay yieks... never used the pin feature. didnt even notice

[rugged mango]

whispyr right now -->

[slate crown]

Yes. You land on blue, you finish.

[normal mist]

thats 99% of the time

[grim prawn]

Makes sense

[normal mist]

blue CP = 7CP power

[grim prawn]

What if we go over

[sullen mural]

Not for our herotalent sadly

[waxen oyster]

peole be minmaxing for gear that gets replaced in less than 2 weeks

[normal mist]

then its a normal cp

[grim prawn]

Red red red blue blue red red etc

[normal mist]

red ones are normal

[sullen mural]

What

[normal mist]

blue ones are = 7CP if you finish on them

and you always want to finish on 5+

[normal mist]

unless its a blue cp

[sullen mural]

If you dont land on it you just go over and go agane

Im poretty sure

[slate crown]

If you go over, you just act normally

[sullen mural]

thats answered

[novel star]

answer every question with a tooltip screenshot

[sullen mural]

in the guide

aswell

[grim prawn]

So overcapping combo points over blue is bad

[normal mist]

?

[slate crown]

No

[normal mist]

no

[slate crown]

It doesn't matter

You will sometimes hit it, you will sometimes not

[novel star]

if you go over you still get a normal finisher and youre not in control of it

[slate crown]

You don't try to hit them, you just passively use them if you get it, if you don't ignore them

[novel star]

u know why ur not in control of it? because of another talent that you also didnt read

[waxen oyster]

It’s legit impressive how much the players complicate ER

[twin plume]

How to learn everything if I dont want to read?

[grim prawn]

Ok thx

[rugged mango]

okay let me try to eli5 this

[normal mist]

thats a you problem man

[rugged mango]

always use finisher at 5+, always use finisher if you land on blue

thats it

[sullen mural]

You know what guys im normally never in this chat and i don't regret it

im going insane

[normal mist]

Today's special

Legit chat insane

[violet sonnet]

@sullen mural ye.. i know what u mean!

[novel star]

im only back in here because im excited for the new expansion

i'm not very excited anymore

i forgot wow players are like

[sullen mural]

If we could just read a guide

holy

[novel star]

made in a fucking lab

and NOT in a good way

[sullen mural]

Society if we could read :

[normal mist]

like the wowhead one? xD

[spice spire]

Why

[sullen mural]

I'm not gonna answer that

[spice spire]

No i really meant why in the world do you think anyone asked

(You get used to it)

[grim prawn]

I thought assa rogues were the backstabber boys

[twin plume]

Hahahahahahah

[normal mist]

We dont have backstab for quite some years now

[violet sonnet]

i cant anymore. xD

[grim prawn]

Backstab defined rogue gameplay back then

[violet sonnet]

go on era realms then

[normal mist]

the one backstab every 5 seconds

[grim prawn]

I’m just saying

[normal mist]

because no energy

[rugged mango]

wait until he realizes backstab doesnt need to be from behind anymore

[twin plume]

Those were the times of the swing timers?

[waxen oyster]

classic was what

[tired gull]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[waxen oyster]

20 years ago?

[normal mist]

yeah

[grim prawn]

Yeah

2004

[waxen oyster]

boomers

👴

[grim prawn]

Ye it was good times

[normal mist]

the only good times was the friends you did and the community

the game itself was shit

[rugged mango]

i also like to do my friends

[waxen oyster]

I mean wow is kind of a unique experience when you are a total noob

[grim prawn]

Nothing will beat classic though (at that time and place)

[waxen oyster]

But you never unlearn

[normal mist]

Well there was indeed nothing better back then

WoW was peak gaming

[grim prawn]

True

[waxen oyster]

new expansions always bring back people high on copium

its funny

[grim prawn]

Nah I’ve played for a bit, but now they made it ultra easy and nice QoL to level alts that’s why prolly

[normal mist]

Still imma say, its all about the community and not the game itself

[waxen oyster]

expansion launches always have the most people

[rugged mango]

wait what are we even talking about? is this a... normal conversation?

[normal mist]

Yeah it seems people started breathing again

[rugged mango]

hey guys im trying to keep garrote and rupture up on 43 targets but im having troubel what am i doing wrong

[normal mist]

[waxen oyster]

Yeah, I mean I’ve said this before I dont dislike M+ as a game mode

i hate the “community” of m+ players

[normal mist]

For me, M+ is just an "in and out"

[waxen oyster]

M+ got ruined by streamers

All im going to say

Although streaming wow is a shit source of viewership

compared to almost any other game

[normal mist]

You want good wow viewership?

"Tmog competition"

BOOM

[waxen oyster]

Dayhouse gets more viewers

[vapid geode]

this might be the dumbest question yet but it wil seriously solve all my questions. when looking at the assa rogue guide on wowhead is ds bleed m+ = ds cleave on whispys youtube video

[normal mist]

aaaaaaaahm would need to check his video

unless he's still here

@balmy condor get in here if you're free

[sharp mural]

tf is going on with stealth ?

[waxen oyster]

just compare the talents he shows?

[normal mist]

Bugs

[waxen oyster]

with the build

[vapid geode]

im doing that now but the talents are kind of in different parts of the video

[waxen oyster]

i find it really funny that the undead racial will knock you out of stealth

[normal mist]

after years

[vapid geode]

i was just asking, i will look more into it to see if im missing a part of the video

[waxen oyster]

Playing undead in 2024

tbh

[normal mist]

can you tell me the timestamp?

[novel star]

try harder

[novel star]

what does this mean

[normal mist]

Stealth break

[sharp mural]

I mean, it's insanely bugged lmao

[solid venture]

¿

[sharp mural]

Feels like playing DF S4 with the cape

[waxen oyster]

I’ve not run into one issue

[sharp mural]

while partying with 3 evokers

[normal mist]

PvPers specially have that problem

[balmy condor]

what happen

[waxen oyster]

playing undead maybe

[balmy condor]

oh

[normal mist]

was trying to fix the problem myself

but its about your video

and wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

bleed for now cause everything blows up instantly, I'm putting hybrid as recommended later

[waxen oyster]

apparently if you have rupture on someone and your passive procs

it will pull you out of stealth

[balmy condor]

what was the thing I was missing, !best, !hero, !craft

there was another

[normal mist]

Bis?

[waxen oyster]

I pplay hybrid only for delves

[balmy condor]

ah bis

yes

thanks

okay brb

[waxen oyster]

and rare mobs with like 12m hp

[twin plume]

!newrace?

[normal mist]

Our boy working hard today

[shy pecan]

Was wondering when you'd do those

[solid venture]

Hybrid for everything

[waxen oyster]

worse than regular dwarves

[tall jay]

He’s always doing the lords work

[shy pecan]

To not have to repeat yourself like 10,000,000 times

[normal mist]

yes

because this is assassination

#subtlety

[twin plume]

Fk em all im orc

[waxen oyster]

orcs smell

[normal mist]

zugzug

[tall jay]

lol

[waxen oyster]

female orc looks alright in mogs though

male orc is just

[twin plume]

Female it is

[waxen oyster]

pvp andy race

tbh

[sharp mural]

don't be too harsh, it's a small indie company and the spell is only here since 2004

[twin plume]

Made in bfa s1 when pvp gear was bis for pve

[waxen oyster]

No undead didnt have touch of the grave.

[normal mist]

^

[waxen oyster]

in 04

[waxen oyster]

I mean i was still playing belf

[normal mist]

you mean shadowlands?

[sharp mural]

ikr, but stealth was

[twin plume]

Yes sry im lost

[waxen oyster]

you really didnt need to be orc for your average glad and below player

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

and now we wait

[twin plume]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[twin plume]

Hell yeah

[balmy condor]

oh no

why would it do that

[normal mist]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[twin plume]

What is happening

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[balmy condor]

okay

fixed

[normal mist]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[shy pecan]

Naisu

[normal mist]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[normal mist]

Aight now i gotta remember these commands

i should make a document

[balmy condor]

you can just open the sheet

you have access

[normal mist]

Oh right

[twin plume]

More commands than words in a guide

[novel star]

how

what does bugged stealth mean

[twin plume]

Ppl see him when he hits them

[waxen oyster]

@normal mist its funny since my rogue was 4 diff races

throughout DF

because boredom

[normal mist]

you too?!

[balmy condor]

there's mobs that zap you out of stealth in like rookery I think

but idk

feels normal to me

[waxen oyster]

tauren looks terrible

in every mog

do not recommend

[novel star]

if its a pvp thing then i dont know yeah

but i havent noticed any bugs with stealth in pve

is your internet fucked or something lol

[balmy condor]

people keep complaining about stealth in dungeons

but lowkey

I think it's literally just cause everything gets giga pulled

and keeps them in combat

[novel star]

skill issue if you enter stealth while theres a dot on you or something tho right

[balmy condor]

yeah

[novel star]

[twin plume]

Stealth not important anways hehe

[balmy condor]

true

it is annoying though

[twin plume]

There are some mobs that just insta hit everyone when pulled, stealthed or not

[balmy condor]

yeh

aoe pulses exist

rookery I think is pretty awful for it

maybe darkflame

I haven't noticed it much otherwise

[normal mist]

The only thing that makes me happy when i get pulled out of stealth, is that other people can now see clearly how fucking awesome i look in my transmog, and speaking of which, you guys should check #1262437829150113855

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

AHAH

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/song-hye-kyo-now-we-are-breaking-up-hye-kyo-aniyo-disagree-gif-24401756

[normal mist]

I felt like belular and his sponsor transitions

[novel star]

my mog is 2 pieces from the same set + a scarf

[rugged mango]

my mog is a sexy bear outfit

[novel star]

sheesh

[solid venture]

I've been rocking the venthyr look since castle nathria and havent switched once

[slate crown]

Damn you're way smoother than I am with the self promo

[normal mist]

I was writting that when i randomly remembered how Belular used to do his transitions from his video to the sponsor he was doing, xD

[balmy condor]

I'm here at my local dennys with a goth girl about to get a sweet syrupy footjob, but you know what else is sweet? The amazing deals from our friends over at Displate! Displate isn't just any poster or artwork company, they print their designs directly onto glass, so it's built to last forever

[normal mist]

YES

LAUGHING SO HARD RN

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[shy pecan]

#transmog

[novel star]

i wouldnt want a syrupy footjob tbh

[novel star]

too sticky

[rugged mango]

bear

[balmy condor]

more for me!

[novel star]

bro.

goat

respect

[normal mist]

Dang it you're so real for that

(i gotta get people to vote for the event)

[spiral gale]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-jugger-nuggets-gif-19032506

[rugged mango]

he doesnt even know about my Lorena Bobbitt xmog

[waxen oyster]

Are there new illusions this expac

[indigo meadow]

@balmy condor hey, quick question.. In dungeons when you have darkest night rolling from the last pack going from pack to pack or pack to boss the wowhead guide and the apl suggest to open garrote from stealth but then you have to wait several GCDs for max cp envenom to reapply the mark and if you don’t have enough energy to get there in time before darkest night falls off you just lose your chance for the mark to be applied. Isn’t it just correct to just restealth every chance you get and always open ambush out of stealth to guarantee you get the mark especially on bosses?

[indigo mulch]

In current HC dungeons ignoring Darkest Night is completly valid anyway ;s

[silk bane]

Use your judgement. It’s a 30 second buff and your openers like 7-8 gcds max before first envenom. If you have more than 10 sec left u sjould be fine

[balmy condor]

the case that you would drop darkest night you would obviously forcibly reapply

ambush is a dead gcd even in single target though

so it should be avoided

[indigo meadow]

So we’re just using the garrote from stealth instead of opening ambush because we don’t have too because of darkest night will reapply in time and we don’t have to waste vanish in our opener is this correct?

[normal mist]

Haven't seen nothing yet

[spare nimbus]

hey guys, why do we play this:
https://i.gyazo.com/af57d7e77c1a844a902528dbb15f5e46.png
over this
https://i.gyazo.com/2d230e6155be4f8a60b51526152bcd98.png

second one seems way better, no?

[balmy condor]

yes

[solid venture]

Oh no no no

[balmy condor]

second one is -5% dps :)

[strange python]

This without a trace trend is still alive huh?

[spare nimbus]

really? in m+?

[balmy condor]

really

[normal mist]

Yes

[balmy condor]

in everywhere

[solid venture]

Not the double vanish

[dapper cradle]

B-but zerocool and casualaddict play it!!!!

[balmy condor]

YOU GOT ME

[spare nimbus]

wait but why tho i dont get it, how is double vanish and subterfuge worse than kyrian + 1% crit

[balmy condor]

subterfuge does nothing

literally nothing

[spare nimbus]

doesnt it keep IC going?

[balmy condor]

all our shit is already 6 seconds

[strange python]

What exactly does subterfuge do for sin?

[normal mist]

No

[balmy condor]

ic is 6 seconds

[cerulean walrus]

NTHING

[dapper cradle]

It doesn’t extend IC

[spare nimbus]

ooh

[strange python]

[arctic tusk]

how often are we keeping envenom chains this tier compared to amirdrassil? while cooldowns arent rolling

in st

[balmy condor]

always

just as much

perma

idk

[arctic tusk]

gotcha

:]

[cerulean walrus]

God I love rapid injector

Whispyr do you mind if I rapidly inject you?

[balmy condor]

yes I would

[glass hemlock]

After reading this chat daily, I feel like “play the exact same as season 4 except we get a cool flippy coin or a new mark” is the advice for everything

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean walrus]

I’ll baste you like a turkey

[glass hemlock]

😂😂😂

[balmy condor]

the spec plays near identically to season 3 and season 4

[waxen oyster]

thats literally what it is

ambush first global

occasionally env at 7

there we go

[glass hemlock]

Or play coin flippy

[cerulean walrus]

Until the ER bug is fixed

Coin flipping is the dumb

Little tiny coin falling out of your pocket can’t even see it

[glass hemlock]

I just pretend it doesn’t exist and play like s4 tbh

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean

you can think of fatebound

as an extra trinket slot

[dapper cradle]

coin pumps tho ngl

[cerulean walrus]

Meanwhile outlaw rogues ripping entire fucking cubes out of their ass

Every 30 seconds

[dapper cradle]

idk if tails does as much for sin

[waxen oyster]

it does

[dapper cradle]

but it cranks for law

[glass hemlock]

Finally get to play when I put my son down for a nap soon, haven’t been on all week 😦

[waxen oyster]

its usually in my top 3 on st

[dapper cradle]

ya it's like 2 or 3 depending on rng

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah that’s cause outlaw only does damage when they duct tape and glue random bullshit to their body

[dapper cradle]

huh, wdym

[cerulean walrus]

Half your damage is just random shit

[dapper cradle]

lol not really

it's usually always bf, bte, and then dispatch

[cerulean walrus]

It certainly was in S2-3

[dapper cradle]

we ran mydas and igira

and they were both like 2-3% of overall

[solid venture]

UTLAW

[rugged mango]

outlaw in s3 was pure vers stacking so the most random shit was bis

[glass hemlock]

Also just to check im on the right path:
Hit 80 with campaign
Spam heroics/delves to get gear
Go for 580ilvl
Maybe do some world events

[cerulean walrus]

Yep

[waxen oyster]

get 590 crafteds if you’re rich

[spare nimbus]

are the garrotes during IC empowered same way they would be if in stealth?

[rugged mango]

"yo i got this neck from kazzak thats 30 ilvl below rare mythic raid drop and its better!"

[cerulean walrus]

Yep I remember

[balmy condor]

well empowered garrote and IC have the same trigger condition regarding stealth

so they're both active at the same time

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure theres nothing stopping kazzak neck

from being strong

[normal mist]

I'm not rich and I have a bunch!

[waxen oyster]

in this upcoming anniversary

[dapper cradle]

it was the only crit/vers neck in the game

[cerulean walrus]

The return of kazzak neck

[dapper cradle]

besides ouroboreal

[cerulean walrus]

Could always craft a neck

[glass hemlock]

What’s making crafted cost a heap?

Just expac things?

[cerulean walrus]

New xpac

Everything is expensive

[dapper cradle]

crafted had like 1.5k less vers

[waxen oyster]

unless for sin the free damage doesnt outweigh it being lfr ilvl

[glass hemlock]

Is it even worth getting crafted before mythic dungeon?

[waxen oyster]

nah crafteds shouldnt be expensive

[dapper cradle]

you can craft 590s

but don't use your spark rn

[waxen oyster]

just crafters are limited on how much they can craft per day

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[cerulean walrus]

Onyx Annulet doing 20% of my damage as outlaw during that period

[rugged mango]

the only reason that neck was used for outlaw was because outlaw stacked so much vers it made the proc hit harder

[cerulean walrus]

Glue and staple random junk

All over your body

And let the vers carry your ass home

[dapper cradle]

it was literally the case for every spec

[waxen oyster]

the more cursed part was it being bis in s4

on st

due to eranog ring

[balmy condor]

annulet was never more than like 10-12% for assa

[waxen oyster]

outlaw s1 was like 20% annulet

[dapper cradle]

blizz has no idea what to do with secondaries for law

[waxen oyster]

10% torch

[dapper cradle]

so it's just vers/crit stacking

[cerulean walrus]

Which is precisely why I’m saying

You only do damage

When you staple junk

To your junk

[dapper cradle]

how is crit/vers stacking stapling junk

???

[rugged mango]

[dapper cradle]

WW does it - destro did it

[cerulean walrus]

He doesn’t get it

[earnest canopy]

i dont even know why law still considerd as a rogue

[twin plume]

How to go to sleep on time

[balmy condor]

!sleep

[rugged mango]

id much prefer if they scrapped outlaw and make a ranged ninja spec that throws shuriken

[dapper cradle]

!goon

[twin plume]

Yes please hahaha

[silk bane]

!feet

[cerulean nest]

hey is me simming higher with sanguine than VV in patchwerk a goof of some kind @balmy condor

or jest if you will

[cerulean walrus]

!hiya

[silk bane]

did i stutter

[rugged mango]

might want to keep this away from whispyr, especially if theres syrup around

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-butcher-gif-5041092981331887802

[twin plume]

Once you go syrup you dont come back

[shadow patio]

any weak auras for Darkess Knight

and Clear the Witness

[rugged mango]

batman doesnt use weakauras

[shadow patio]

im not batman

[silk bane]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[silk bane]

most of them should have it

[shadow patio]

https://tenor.com/view/short-king-wolverine-deadpool-and-wolverine-variant-logan-gif-14697799484022119654

just need single weak auras

[rugged mango]

i saw it

the secrets i know

[jovial imp]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[vale shore]

Fatebound is so chill

[novel star]

it is

[normal mist]

But getting those 7cp DN envenoms feels way too good

[novel star]

i feel the opposite

forcing 7cp feels way too bad

it's just not right

[normal mist]

I don't really see it that way, because you're building towards a big finisher

Literally

[waxen oyster]

I personally feel like sin is the only stable spec design they make

[novel star]

everything in my brain tells me using another builder at 5cp is risking insane overcap

which feels bad

but you have to do it for mark 😭

[balmy condor]

link

[waxen oyster]

and sub/outlaw get reworked every expansion

[normal mist]

I bet DS will feel better to play in later seasons where we're over geared to the teeth with huge amounts of stats (especially a bit more CRIT for those 3+ cps mutilates). Okay to be fair this applies to every spec lol

[thin gate]

guys, about necrotic wake M+, didnt Master assassin apply to the "items" like spear ect?

wasnt there like a op rogue interaction back then

[normal mist]

It was fixed during shadowlands

[thin gate]

yh, i wasnt sure about that

[normal mist]

No more shenanigans

[thin gate]

cries in s tier

[novel star]

getting to 7 points isnt the issue

forcing 7 points when youre at 5 (usually the place where using another builder is unsafe and suboptimal) is when it feels weird

[rugged mango]

that only exascerbates his personal gripe with the hero talent lol

[novel star]

its not like you cant get there cus u dont have enough crit lol it just feels icky to overcap on purpose

[mental vessel]

this

[thin gate]

guys, do we use fan of knives, when we have that plague damage proc on it?

like in single target

[novel star]

with vicious venoms talented, no.

[normal mist]

Yes if you're not using VV

[novel star]

without vicious venoms, yes

[thin gate]

aight, ty

[novel star]

so basically in m+ yes raids no, assuming standard builds

[normal mist]

I mean, I can see where you're going, and yet, when I see those 1.something million damage from a single envenom I'm like "yeah totally worth the 7 CP"

[waxen oyster]

so many tanks chainpull nowadays

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

i swear df caused severe brainrot

with double cheat death

[novel star]

outside of getting the mark up you arent actually happy about being at 7 points really

[thin gate]

is ER still "only" 7 CP, even if we got 7 max cp?

[normal mist]

I don't personally mind

[thin gate]

or is there a tooltipp issue?

i thought ER is always max cp + 1

[normal mist]

It's 7

[thin gate]

kk

[waxen oyster]

always was 7