assassination

[chilly light]

is there a talent build for fated m+?

[weak isle]

Reload and try again?

Could also really be a debuff on target

But pretty sure it's a buff since it depends on ur 7cp

[jovial verge]

Out of curiosity when we talk about bleed being better for "low M+" and hybrid (and co) better for high end M+ , what is that roughly referring too?

someone just clocking in weekly 10's for vaults, for example

[grim jay]

hybrid will just be better for m+

there is no real low and high on release that much

because noone is overgeared

[grim jay]

are you stuck in shadowlands or do you mean smth different?

[fluid dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged quail]

abusing deathmark edge case, vanish and cold blood to force a ton of coins in opener can't be intended for Fatebound but it's very fun

[viscid python]

if I only play with one charge of shiv, isn't better to use it when kings bane is 8s remaining, instead after mark of death and before kingsbane?

[tawny pawn]

if i remember correctly sims were using Mark -> KB -> Shiv -> Tea

feel free to correct me im not as wise as you guys

[slate crown]

Only one shiv you should be using it at the end of Kb

then on cd after that

[hot fulcrum]

Last 8s of KB

[slate crown]

lol

[tawny pawn]

Guys were do i get those really cool emblems

i wanna be edgy and cool too

[hot fulcrum]

check 1st pin

not the latest one but the last one

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[lucid rune]

I seem to be pumping a lot harder on sin compared to my ‘supposed’ main of feral… lol

[normal mist]

numbers aren't final, tuning still happening, sin is a bit too strong in dungeons

[tawny pawn]

alright

😈

[lucid rune]

I guess it’s good that I got both ready to go

[normal mist]

yeah

[lucid rune]

I still think sin my fav dps of all time, Druid just gives the role diversity I like

[proven epoch]

is anything worth crafting right now?

[normal mist]

I'm saving my spark really, but i'll either craft boots or belt with embelishment

[grim jay]

590 ilvl stuff

so things that dont use sparks

[proven epoch]

thought about crafting daggers

[dense cloud]

i crafted daggers

[minor swift]

what profession?

[grim jay]

1 590 dagger is fine

[dense cloud]

cuz those we will probably hold for a while since the daggers from raid will come later in raid. gonna take a little bit to beat it down.

[grim jay]

2 is kinda useless

[minor swift]

sorry, crafting? as a profession or

what are u guys talking about heh

[dense cloud]

crafted daggers

ye

[minor swift]

as which profession

[dense cloud]

blacksmith

[minor swift]

which profession r the best for rouges atm?

ig blacksmith and

[grim jay]

no

you dont need to be any specific prof

you can just let others craft your stuff, crafting yourself requires investment anyways

alchemy is always good for longer flask duration

[dense cloud]

yeah and its not cheap

even more so during the early times of an exp

[minor swift]

so basically buy one from AH?

[grim jay]

no, crafting order

[grim jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/professions/creating-work-order-crafting-station

[minor swift]

tyvm, i usually just play wow arena 2v2's and then stop so i dont really know anything outside of just playing

[little tulip]

4.5k for a nascent crest for* the 590 dagger scares me

deathstalker is super comfy

[grim jay]

small money for people that play longer, but for new players its rather expensive ye

but you also can go the grindy route and upgrade the stuff yourself, will end up slightly lower on ilvl tho

[little tulip]

mostly a cheapass issue i can spend it b

ut

[minor swift]

but so is it not profitable to just craft ur own gear

[grim jay]

no

[minor swift]

aswell as "work" on the work order"

[grim jay]

letting someone craft your gear through workorders is what you will end up doing most of the time

if you dont plan on doing much crafting in general

just getting professions to craft for yourself is a major waste

[minor swift]

ah okay

[errant night]

guys, is 580 ilvl gonna be ok for the season start?

[minor swift]

i have like 300 000 gold idk if thats alot? i never spend it lol

[gusty mirage]

aren't the giga degen grinders like 587?

580 should be more than fine

[grim jay]

its fine ig, but still gotta mind your spending. I spent like 500k already in tww

[grim jay]

im 584 with barely much done

[gusty mirage]

you're literally a degen

[errant night]

dunno haha

[grim jay]

but ye 580 is plenty

[grim jay]

love u too babe

[gusty mirage]

such a degen that Davyn is german for degenerate

[minor swift]

just curious how do you "gain" gold anything specific you do

[errant night]

i've just seen a rogue with a craftable dagger and thought maybe i'm gonna do the same

[gusty mirage]

ye if it aint going to make you go broke and you have the gold, go for it

[slate crown]

Depends on what you do, for most general casual play 300k is probably fine. If you're seriously playing for raiding you likely have more as a result of sales. If you are actually gold making 300k is pennies

[minor swift]

and the work order gear that we can buy are they BiS? or

[grim jay]

imagine how cool it would be to have your name turn into a definition. I'd respect it, even if its related to smth negative

[gusty mirage]

but all of that shit is gonna get replaced in no time

[errant night]

i have like 70k

[grim jay]

I boost lazy asses

through m+

[gusty mirage]

dumping a ton of gold to get to like 585+ seems kinda pointless unless you're like bleeding edge raiding

[minor swift]

like sell items that drops?

[minor swift]

xd ig u can do that

[errant night]

you're right

[slate crown]

I craft. Play the AH. buy materials low, process/craft them, resell products when markets go up

[normal mist]

i made like 20k gold by selling everything i gathered by leveling my alt purely from herbalism/mining from 70 to 72

[slate crown]

Gathering works

[gusty mirage]

ye you're gonna be in m+ prison soon

[gusty mirage]

this man is cheating

report him

[slate crown]

there's tons you can do to make gold, all depend on what you like doing and what time you have to dedicate to it

[errant night]

no no i'm not an m+ person

[gusty mirage]

oh then ye you're chilling, just take your time with it

[errant night]

i like raiding normal and heroic. that's all

[gusty mirage]

no reason to rush to a giga high ilvl early

[errant night]

maybe mythic one day

[minor swift]

ouff that sounds like it takes alot of time to learn haha, i just play the game and hope i gain some ig :p

[grim jay]

bare minimum I'd probably get a 590 ring with embellishment, wrist/cloak with embellishment and just upgrade anything else with valor and crests. that would probably be like 40-50k spent all in all

[gusty mirage]

honestly boosting is the easiest way to get gold in wow

legit prints gold

[minor swift]

dont think im good enough for that :p

[gusty mirage]

I think you are

[normal mist]

[gusty mirage]

you're here, so you're already ahead of 90%+ of the wow community

[minor swift]

:o <3

[slate crown]

That's fine. If you like playing your character and being in the world I'd recommend gathering just cause it's chill and doesn't take much to learn, but there's still depth to it with things to learn if you want to later, but you don't have to if you just want to mindlessly fly around and click stuff. It's low output but it's consistent

[gusty mirage]

🙂

[grim jay]

you can boost m0 world tours

for tons of gold

[minor swift]

thanks i appreciate that haha

[grim jay]

at the beginning

everyone can boost m0s

[gusty mirage]

yeah but can you boost my satisfaction in life? HUH?

[minor swift]

but is there any gear in the work order that we should buy thats BiS? or just get drops from dungeons lol

[grim jay]

I'd get you addicted real quick

[gusty mirage]

[minor swift]

i didnt even know work order existed until 10 minutes ago haha

[slate crown]

Learning all this stuff is part of "playing" the game for me, but it doesn't have to be for you

[minor swift]

haha

[gusty mirage]

ye like I can't stand AH flipping

[errant night]

can someone explain this to me? i have two backs but Pawn tells me that crit+vers is better, though practically in every guide it says that crit+master should be better. am i relying on addons too much or i am just dumb?

[gusty mirage]

so I just kinda just boosted

[grim jay]

you only really want to craft stuff with sparks in a few weeks. there is stuff you could do for slight boosts with minimal investment tho

[grim jay]

first step towards a better life would be deleting pawn

the second one would be to forget about stat weights

[minor swift]

ah so i have to provide all of the ingredients and stuff aswell? i have no clue how the work order works lol

[grim jay]

and the third would be using topgear

[gusty mirage]

the problem with Pawn is you have to constantly update the string it uses to value upgrades

and essentially when you do that you can just run a top gear sim on raidbots.com

[grim jay]

yep you basically need to get the stuff that you require to craft and then pay someone else that can actually craft for a few k gold to craft it for you

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear is all you'll ever really need for upgrades when you get past the "bigger ilvl" aspect of gearing

[slate crown]

I like spreadsheet gaming

[errant night]

gosh, the game starts to seem a second work with all these theories and everything haha

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

who hurt you

[minor swift]

yeah like all of this is way above me hahah i just do dungeons and equip whatever drops

[grim jay]

it aint, you can just start a sim inbetween dungeons if you get something new or just wait until you have a few items. starting the sim takes like 30s

[gusty mirage]

ngl that mindset is literally 90% of the gearing aspect

[grim jay]

and the more gear you have the less you sim

[thick sigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[gusty mirage]

has bigger ilvl? just equip and move on

will solve 90% of any gearing questions most people will have

[minor swift]

yeah yeah, but i had no idéa people use work order and stuff haha

[grim jay]

what about me sitting at the crafting order guy for 45mins because noone can do leather stuff I need

[minor swift]

i used to do pvp, "oh i won?" buy new gear

[gusty mirage]

learn how to make friends idk

[grim jay]

they all went a different path aswell

[grim jay]

does he need help?

[little tulip]

shan't say

probably needs about tree fiddy

[errant night]

guys, am i right that these new "special assignments" are like twice a week? i saw one on the launch day and wonder if it appears tomorrow or on wednesday

[grim jay]

there were like 3 or 4 already

iirc

dont think it has anything to do with weekly reset

[minor swift]

i see all of my dots fairly well but it would be nicer to have a bigger font on kingsblade so its easier to time shiv when its 8 sec left

is there any easy way to fix that

or a count down, anything

[little tulip]

plater is really nice

[minor swift]

yeah i got plater

i am just not sure how to use it properly haha

[little tulip]

there's umm

if you target a dummy and open plater it'll show test debuffs so you can configure it

[fickle mirage]

which talents and hero talents are good for ST?

[little tulip]

but you might want a weak aura instead up to you

[minor swift]

ty

[scenic nacelle]

#assassination-faq

[little tulip]

[strange python]

Wait kingsbane 8 seconds left then shiv, Ive been doing it right after I kingsbane

[dapper cradle]

Isn’t that with two charges?

I think you shiv pre kingsbane with one charge

Or am I cooked

[pliant remnant]

With one charge you use it at the end of KB

[errant night]

no it's something different

special assignment was in hallowfall for me

[strange python]

So what does the opener look like?

[sudden ridge]

Yo thinking of changing to assa from sub.. i only m+ so is it gonna be better?

[exotic parcel]

What Darkmoon trink should i get to get some fast ilvls that is also good on rogue?

[minor swift]

what trinkets are BiS for us?

[errant night]

maybe ara-kara sacbrood and crystall

someone told me that

[minor swift]

tyty

[frail root]

So the echoing blue CP don’t count as ‚full CP‘ for the darkest night?

[worthy sparrow]

minecart bis but not bis

[minor swift]

i saw in a sim that someone use the skardyns grace?

idk where to find that tho

[pliant remnant]

It's from Grim Batol IIRC, which is a season 1 dungeon, so not out yet.

[pliant remnant]

Nope

[frail root]

Is that a ‚bug‘ or should it be like that?

[grim jay]

you would want to use ara ara ballsack and signet of the priory for now

[minor swift]

so out soon :D

[grim jay]

priory of the sacred flame drops the signet

ara-kara drops the sac

[lucid rune]

Is DS and ER a bug? Or the intended interaction? Lol

[grim jay]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[hybrid dirge]

what should be my first craft?

[grim jay]

pins

[hybrid dirge]

pins?

[grim jay]

look at the pins

[bitter apex]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[dense lodge]

Is this confirmed though? Sac doesn't Sim very high, at least for me anyway.

[brave bluff]

how does the hero talent Lingering Darkness work?

what does "expire" mean? i dont see the buff that often

[grim jay]

aside from it being whatever bcs its preseason

its what whispyr is using aswell

iirc

[dense lodge]

That's good enough for me

[pliant remnant]

This is a good occasion to @ him and ask him why he uses it

[little tulip]

why is everyone trying to get that ball

[grim jay]

you mean

to receive his wrath

[pliant remnant]

[little tulip]

does it stack or something?

[grim jay]

obviously

[little tulip]

i mean with chain pulls that's probably really decent but ew

spiked counterweight meme trinket

[grim jay]

hu

it stacks an agi buff on you

how is that spiked counterweight

[little tulip]

the minute long delay before the egg hatches is about as meme tier as the damage cap on spiked

[frail root]

Why is kingsbane used so late in the rotation? Doesnt the damage stack more with more poison in the enemie?

[grim jay]

???

you just get the buff

what are you saying

lol

noone cares for the hatched eggs

[little tulip]

oh i see now, yeah okay

i was eating sandwiches 🙂

[grim jay]

you wanna set up your stuff before, because of damage and energy, also need to maximize your DM (if up) for KB to deal more dmg

[chilly lichen]

Hi i have question how do you make Sudden Demise proc ?

[frail root]

Ok thanks

[grim jay]

it just procs as the talent says

with applied bleeds

[chilly lichen]

Ah okey okey when you crimson so ?

[grim jay]

all bleeds count

[chilly lichen]

it applying bleed and than he procs ?

Okey okey ty

[sand hemlock]

I've noticed that sometimes sudden demise just doesn't proc. Was playing with another assa rogue in rookery and i literally had 0 sudden demise damage when i checked recount after the run.

[grim jay]

yeah if he does more damage with his bleeds than you

then his proccs

and yours doesnt

[sand hemlock]

Makes sense, he was deathstalker and i was fatebound

[jovial plinth]

hay guys is anywhere a prebis gear build for ilvl580 items?

[grim jay]

no

[jovial plinth]

(focus on sin rogue)

[grim jay]

because its irrelevant and people refuse to do stuff that has no worth

[jovial plinth]

i think its irrelevant if you dont want to minmax right, otherwise its just prep and there is nothing to do else (besides farming mats/lvling jobs)

[grim jay]

no its irrelevant either way

[normal mist]

super irrelevant

[grim jay]

the top wr guys in here dont do it either

they at most sim some stuff themself

[normal mist]

I'm a top WR guy and i say its irrelevant

(top winning in raids)

Ilvl > caring about minmax

[desert cove]

@balmy condor can we get a bot command "!bis" so we can just post that whenever someone asks about bis lists for the nth time every day

[normal mist]

580 + ilvl? you're good to go

[subtle kiln]

!bis

[spring cradle]

I’m 583 at the moment

[subtle kiln]

Nah fam

You need 4 sockets from pvp. JC ring & neck.

[vale shore]

Anyone have a bis list for Northshire abbey before you go to goldshire?

[subtle kiln]

less clothing the better

[vale shore]

Just completed Kobold Camp cleanup

[desert cove]

!bis

[dense lodge]

Currently doing the PvP farm for honor cap so sadge

[radiant shadow]

guys, how can i disable the garrote silence icon on plater?

[desert cove]

you can exclude it

[hushed aspen]

Hey all! Returning player here.. Playing Assasin for Pve and PVP with a focus on PvP.. does the pact I chose matter? Is there a favorite for us? Thanks in advance!

[desert cove]

nope

doesn't matter at all

[normal mist]

nope

[hushed aspen]

Perfect tysm

[desert cove]

weaver gets a slight boost if you're doing a lot of professions, but eventually we'll all get all of the pacts

[hushed aspen]

Great - and speaking of.. I've not chose professions yet. I'm assuming LW/JC or something like that? JC still boost some substats for pvp?

[normal mist]

nop

[hushed aspen]

Have plenty of gold on old mains

[normal mist]

not a thing for many years

go with whatever pleases you more

in my case is LW and BS

can't be bothered paying hundreds of gold for crafts

so i said to myself:

[slate crown]

If you're just thinking about professions for how you can benefit your power, and don't care about gold or doing crafts

Then you can just skip professions

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[slate crown]

Do them if you want to do them.

And any of them are good for many things, nothing really matters for power or long-term strategy unless you're looking to actually make gold in which case it's a whole other conversation/rabbit hole

[hushed aspen]

So nothing benefits substats or stamina or anything like that .. and the crafts I can buy from people who can already craft them.. so to your point I can just not worry

[normal mist]

nop

[slate crown]

but if you're just passively doing them and want to, any of them are good, whatever you want to do and is interesting to you

[normal mist]

yes

[hushed aspen]

great - thank you guys

[minor swift]

does anyoine have a plater that disables all dots etc on target except for ur own as assa rouge

[hushed aspen]

I still have threat plates from prior.. I had to add the spells I wanted to see to the list and just blocked everything else

[mortal badger]

check out whispyr's

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[modern niche]

how does assass feel currently?

[orchid cedar]

to play?

[indigo sphinx]

To touch

[modern niche]

the last assass u felt?

no to play ofc 😄

[dusk sun]

Is double vanish better than ER for m+?

[normal mist]

no

[vale shore]

Assass feels pretty good on the hole

[tough gorge]

Heroics are piss easy but you will likely top every dungeon you do as assas

[modern niche]

all i need to hear

[rotund oak]

no

[minor swift]

tried it but it doesnt show kingsbane?

[desert cove]

imo better to have a WA tracking KB

lisonna's does a good job with that one

[grim jay]

just add it, I added it aswell

[desert cove]

adds a nice little bar that counts down

[minor swift]

how do i do that hehe

[minor swift]

ah really? how do i add that

[desert cove]

I just use lisonna's WA package for rogue

[grim jay]

/plater and then to buff tracking. the left list has KB somewhere, just gotta delete that. imo way better to just track it there aswell

[rotund oak]

or just make ur own WA's for ur own comfort

ive used lisonnas,Whispyrs and now slowly doing my own

for me only

its not even hard and u dont rly need fancy stuff

[grim jay]

I always modify whispyrs

[minor swift]

my first time really using these things so im getting used to it :p

but thnx adding kingsbane like u said really helped

[tropic goblet]

Was hoping i could get some rotation help. I'm currently trying to figure out what i assume to be an easy rotation. However Caustic Splatter is almost never as high as it sims due to the mobs dieing so fast. Is that just an thing when everyone is doing millions of DPS? I've been getting better results with a bleed focused build, but it sims much worse.

[rotund oak]

if the mobs die rly fast u wont do dmg even with bleeds

coz they dont tick enough to account for

but fyi sin gets more value in higher keys

its a bleed spec

[grim jay]

but thats a valuable lesson

not everything that sims higher is better

in your situation

[minor swift]

how worth is it to use valorstones / weathered harbinger crests to upgrade rn

[rotund oak]

if u have any rotational questions we are here for u

the 1st ones wont be needed by season launch

might as well use them now

[minor swift]

tyt y

[unique sentinel]

!fuy

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusk sun]

Basically vanish is only used to keep improved garrote up now?

[fiery mauve]

Hell yeah brother

[minor swift]

but like assa dps goes HARD in both single target and aoe

i feel like always always am an top

[steep crater]

for sure

so glad we dodged eventual nerfes

[errant night]

yeah me too

seems like only arcane is higher

[orchid cedar]

ppl are bad

[slate crown]

Not to rain on that parade but like

season hasn't started

[errant night]

but i think arcane will be nerfed even more

[heavy sentinel]

!wa

[slate crown]

there's still time for a bunch of tuning

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[orchid cedar]

don't take HC runs as proof of anything

[errant night]

just a fact nothing more xD

[orchid cedar]

well, we have 3 specs

one of them should be playable right?

[errant night]

right

like mage or warlock i hear

d

[heavy sentinel]

youll see the diff in dmg when you play with good people

[orchid cedar]

we don't have BL or combat ress tho

so we better do dmg

or dogshit class

[heavy sentinel]

like the diff between sin and frost is noticable

frost dk

[orchid cedar]

frost dk gonna get nerfed tho

[heavy sentinel]

overall nerf is less than 3% of their dmg

[orchid cedar]

ye they should still be on top

[heavy sentinel]

depends on the dungeon as well

[errant night]

am i the only one who thinks that blizz are making all these nerfs for us to level alts and play more? therefore pay more

haha

[orchid cedar]

if the class is good in mythic and raid that's fine

[heavy sentinel]

pallys really shine in cinderbrew

[spice surge]

Ye youre the only one

[orchid cedar]

even if it's nto the best

[spice surge]

Theyre doing it to balance the game, like they literally always do

[orchid cedar]

if it is not playable in one of them then iut sucks

couse Rogues only do dmg

[errant night]

yes but..

[orchid cedar]

they don't do it to balance the game

if it was for pure balance you can tweak the numbers as you want

until everytuhing does exactly the same dps

they never do for some reason

[spice surge]

?

[heavy sentinel]

that would be extremely difficult

[orchid cedar]

keeping stuff rotating in the meta is just better for player retention

[limber lion]

Lmaoooo

[static glacier]

nerfs more often lead to people quitting tbh

[spice surge]

Raid balancing has been expectional for a long ass time

[static glacier]

never seen nerfs make people play more

[orchid cedar]

nerfs + buffs

[subtle tundra]

mostly cause they sacrifice m+ balancing for it

[spice surge]

Not really

[limber lion]

I'm gonna seppuku

[runic basin]

!cb

do we bind coldblood in evenom?

[limber lion]

Whatchu looking for?

[static glacier]

the spriest compensation that turbobroke them in m+ was raid motivated iirc

[limber lion]

Yes

Sure

If you're lazy you can

[orchid cedar]

god comps will always happen in M+

[static glacier]

then again that spec has been broken for more than just dps

[orchid cedar]

it's the nature of the format

[spice surge]

Idk people vastly overestimate how important the meta comps are

[orchid cedar]

yes but ppl also follow it

there you have the data, when a comp becomes a god comp, nothing else is played

[static glacier]

gl getting invited being off meta, it's honestly a waste of tyime

[orchid cedar]

in high keys

just look at DF season 2

[static glacier]

despite the same people playing their mains to title season after season

thing is why would people take a gamble on off meta that needs relatively better play for the same result as aug xd

[orchid cedar]

that's the thing, ppl don't wanna get chances

which is fine, you won't get rejected from a +10

going further is irrelevant really

[static glacier]

yeah weeklies are chill

[orchid cedar]

but it sucks becouse with some classes/specs even finding a +10 takes a while

[short fox]

what should i craft?

[spice surge]

Its just wild to me that theres a huge amount of people playing this game without a guild or friends

[weak isle]

Some people don't have friends

Wow is my escape

[orchid cedar]

you won't always play with them tho

[weak isle]

My character is my friend

[shadow cloud]

They already have stuff in place that changes your spell/ability damage in pvp, idk why they don't just do that for when you instance into an M+ or Raid

[spice surge]

They do

[orchid cedar]

you change builds

[errant night]

That's what i'm talking about

[shadow cloud]

I've never seen in a patch note "+10% damage (Only in raid)"

[orchid cedar]

they don't have to ruin M+ to balance raid since they can target the specific talents for each content

[shadow cloud]

Until it gets to the point that it's "too good" and it starts getting used in the other form of content that it wasn't intended for

[spice surge]

Heres from the latest notes that drop on reset

[unique sentinel]

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[shadow cloud]

Fair, forgot about healing, which does indeed say in numerous areas that it's either buffed/nerfed in raid groups

[orchid cedar]

they can tweak a lot of things to balance M+ and raid

[errant night]

sadge

[orchid cedar]

they just don't want to

not worth the effort

if frost DK ends up being perma played in keys for S1

it will be fine

[shadow cloud]

Just buff ret paladin again 🤪

[orchid cedar]

for S2 they will nerf it into irrelevance and another class will take the pot

[timber basalt]

Couldn't find this in the guide, but do we force a 7cp envenom to use darkest night if we landed on 5 or 6cp? Or wait until land on 7cp naturally?

[spice surge]

Force

[shadow cloud]

Frost dk definitely deserved some of that love, they were pretty underplayed for a while, but not as much love as they got. Hopefully the nerf makes them still hit hard but not be broken as shit

[orchid cedar]

considering how the class plays

being mid should be enough for FDK

but that's another discussion

[drifting anchor]

Hey guys, I'm playing rogue the first time this xpac. I've gone through the guides on wowhead and icyveins and have done only 3 heroics...I'm still practicing the rotations, but my question is for raiding in mythics, which of the 3 builds should i really be learning? I feel like hybrid is good for heroics but when raids and mythics start it seems like i'll be playing more of the single target/raid aoe builds with shivs being a bigger part of the rotation

[spice surge]

Heroic dungeons die too fast for anything but bleed to be good

[orchid cedar]

hybrid is for M+ in fact

and ST build for raid

[mellow sun]

Sudden demise + fatebound is op build for heroics play that for now

[obtuse ruin]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[drifting anchor]

Thanks, but i'm also trying to practice the raid specs too...looks like bleed has some of the elements of both and would help me practice a rotation close to what I will be using in raids

[chrome cosmos]

I have a question about talents. All the guides say I should take both the Stratagems from both trees, which means I have 7 max combo points. But the tooltips of my finishers only has the value of 6 combo points. (I tried on Sub and there is numbers for 7 but it's not the same for assass) So is it a tooltip bug or is 6 the max we can have? If that the case can I just take one of the Stratagem?

[spice spire]

Tooltip bug

[chrome cosmos]

Ok thanks! Hope they fix it soon. It's been very confusing for me.

[spice spire]

Is it not in his weak aura?

[spice surge]

!wa

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[crisp sluice]

ahhh my bad. thanks guys

appreciate it

[odd flare]

what's everyone used their spark for so far?

[spice spire]

I’ve not

And won’t until heroic week likely

Extra week for tuning always scares me 🙂

[novel storm]

Isnt using animacharged point supposed to trigger capstone?

[spice surge]

Yep, but it doesnt

[spice spire]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[novel storm]

My god how did this go live with such bug?

Nonsense

[spice spire]

I did like 5 hours of dungeons last night and have a new hatred of darkest night 🙂

[pliant remnant]

Technically, ER just functions as if 7 combo points were used, which isn't explicitly the same as "maximum" 🤓 🤓 🤓

but yeh it's dumb

[iron valve]

[novel storm]

Well did they say anythint about it, if its a bug or intended?

[spice spire]

They’ve not

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-speech-bubble-small-guy-with-a-sword-speech-bubble-gif-2288421216251484021

[spice surge]

They havent said anything

But its pretty clearly not intended

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

[novel storm]

And using animacharged point that is on 4th or less spends mark on target?

[pliant remnant]

I mean...just read the command up there.

[modest gale]

Whats the deal with everyone doing pvp?

[fiery mauve]

There's nothing else to do yep

[trail mica]

!wa

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[fiery vapor]

why all guides says not use in m+?

😦

[spice surge]

Because its locked behind non-great talents for aoe

Its not bad, the other side is just better

[fiery vapor]

ohh

got it

[lucid rune]

ST good or meh?

[weak isle]

[tired gull]

!wa

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[drifting anchor]

in the normal rotation are we using shiv when kingsbane is on cooldown or just saving it all for kb?

[tired gull]

save

[frail root]

Is the lack of energy normal on longer fights? Or am I doing something wrong? Always gotta fill it with the tea

[minor swift]

this shouldnt be to bad to pop between deathmark and KB

[slate crown]

!pooling Yes, dealing with the fact that we don't have infinite energy is normal, and is part of the intended design of this spec

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[earnest gate]

Is assassination the go to for M+ and Raiding now? or am I tripping

[normal mist]

tripping

since no one knows the answer

[earnest gate]

Yeah I mean, that's fair lmao

Icy-veins have listed assasination rogue as 3rd on DPS tier list for seasion 1 of Mythic+... that's my source... I know it's hard to know right now...

[normal mist]

tier lists are stupid

[earnest gate]

I don't know what to do lmao

[normal mist]

play the game

?

[slate crown]

Play the spec you don't normally play to get acquainted with it

now is the time to do that

I mostly play sin but I'm playing sub right now while I'm running around the world doing stuff

[earnest gate]

Yeah I've been playing outlaw the last couple weeks, kinda thought it was best to do that too

[dense lodge]

is there some kind of thing we should be aiming for so our DN / Mark has max uptime on trash mobs? Feels like Im spending 2nd half of trash packs with no mark etc

[quiet flax]

!wa

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[stray vigil]

I’m brand new to rouge trying to learn assassin big aoe rotation any tips would be appreciated

[dusk sun]

Spread bleeds poison

Profit

4head

(Generally the icyveins and wowhewd rotation lists the aoe prio list so u can see it there)

[stray vigil]

Other than when you come out of stealth and the bleeds spread should I be spreading beyond that on big pulls

I’ve been looking at wowhead

[dusk sun]

I try to spread garrote as much as possible before going in to big cds, for rupture im fine with just having it on 3 on them (but that is likely a me problem and not maximizing)

[fiery vapor]

i need uso all of these or nah?

[keen spruce]

just pick one that you like

[charred helm]

you dont need to use anything, i use my own

[slate crown]

You can use one of those or one of your own, it's all up to you. The ones above are just meant as a quick jumping off point

[keen spruce]

the first 5 are HUD and the last 2 are for nameplates

[stray vigil]

What cooldowns are we using in aoe?

[slate crown]

Wowhead good .

[keen spruce]

I should re-duckify whispyr's pack again

[slate crown]

Same as ST. You spread your bleeds, then pick your target and get caustic up, then use cooldowns like st on them

[keen spruce]

I doubt my DF one is still gonna work

[normal mist]

read the wowhead guide

[floral vale]

I know we say "maintain garrote on the main target in aoe" but what about 2 or 3 target cleave? Do we want to use garrote on the non caustic target as well there or just rupture on the second / third target?

[spare nimbus]

How do you use vanish as assassin?

When ruptures running out?

[iron valve]

on single target: to get an improved garrote for deathmark
on multitarget: to refresh IC and spread ruptures and garrotes

[spare nimbus]

alright cheers, when IC is enough to spread rupture garrotes to everything i guess u just vanish when theyre running out?

[ruby moss]

depends on the hp of the mobs

like your not gonna blow vanish if theyre almost dead

[spare nimbus]

ye ofc

Feels like re-rupturing is a pain without vanish as it only applies to 1 target outside IC

[keen spruce]

you're normally going to use vanish with deathmark

even in AoE

unless you already have an imp garrote

keeping them sync'd up is way easier for most people

but you can use vanish to spread bleeds outside of CDs as long as you can get them sync'd back up for bosses and prio mobs n what not

[spare nimbus]

Hmmm, alright, thanks

[keen spruce]

and yeah manually rupturing outside of IC is a pain

but it iz what it iz

depending on the pull you can just keep like 3-5 ruptures out

[spare nimbus]

How should overall dmg breakdown look like in M+?

[keen spruce]

I have no idea i'm retired

[ruby moss]

depends on the tree your using

[keen spruce]

I play sudoku and tft now

[ruby moss]

and the key level

[lyric glen]

hello chat what class shoiuld i switch to when we get massively nerfed next week

[keen spruce]

we don't switch we just complain more

but next week is just the first nerf to "get us in line"

it's the next 2 nerfs

that will make people reroll

[fiery mauve]

why nerf when assass sims the least of the 3 yep

[ruby moss]

because people see sudden demise pad in herioc dungeons and think the spec is broken or something idk

[nova aspen]

the tuning yesterday didnt even have rogue on it

what nerf

[fiery mauve]

Tuning based off heroic dungeons

[pliant remnant]

His uncle works at Blizzard

We are getting annihilated in the next blue post

[nova aspen]

[fiery mauve]

[nova aspen]

i mean if frost dk got the dick

surely we will since we were doing better

[fiery mauve]

Frost dk in shambles

[frail root]

Is there a nice plater import for sin? I got one but it’s way to overwhelming to properly track the important poisons and debuffs for sin

[nova aspen]

!wa

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[nova aspen]

im using whispyr's^

very clean

[hallow token]

so what I am wondering is, nobody is making the Authority of Depths weapon enchant yet. So like, what's a good secondary? Seem slike Artistry, for mastery, and/or Coiuncil's Guile for crit would be good?

[frank condor]

since we're not running arterial right now, do we save shiv for darkest night envenom timing?

[hallow token]

or maybe Radiant Power for primary stat?

[runic hinge]

You save shiv for kingsbane

[frank condor]

ok wasn't sure since we only have 1 charge of shiv and it doesn't always line up with darkest night

i did try for memes to juice it up and it did do an absolutely absurd envenom lol

[pliant remnant]

https://wago.io/evOCGUhGi

Heard that one's pretty good

[frail root]

Thanks I try a few

I’ll see which one I like

Another question, how can I ceep like lots of bleeeds up and still focusing on DN procks?

[strange python]

So we would shiv when kingsbane is active?

[strange python]

You have to keep track of your spells and procs.

[fiery mauve]

I imagine you should be able to send on cd and with kingsbane

Since 1 charge

[spice surge]

[frail root]

It’s so hard tbh 😭

[strange python]

It takes practice but it can be done. I just look at the buffs on the target. And when it expires I reapply my dots.

Well before they expire

[frail root]

What do I do when I applied my bleeds, used tempest? Am I using mutilate or fan of knives in the meanwhile? And finisher always envenom until I need to reapply bleeds and tempest?

Im just overwhelmed Tracking bleeds in a big group, when there’s 10 nameplates with all buffs 🤯

[acoustic roost]

Mutilate only to reapply caustic spatter, other than that FOK

[frail root]

Even on single target?

[arctic socket]

On single target no you press multi

[frail root]

Okay thanks

[tight sparrow]

!wa

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[wispy pewter]

Oi, random pinapple on Pizza-man here again

Assa still ahead of sub after changes? Or do I need to learn that fucking dance macabre again

[chilly mist]

@frail root just remove every debuff on plates aside from Deathstalker's Mark, Rupture and Kingsbane. Rest is just clutter, could maybe include Garrote too if you feel like it

[wispy pewter]

id def save Garrote, for larger pulls than 5

on the plater that is

[spare hawk]

which repu i target first?

[fiery vapor]

in 2 or 3 targets is bettle mutilate o FOK?

better*

[limber lion]

2 Mutilate, 3+ FoK

[fiery vapor]

ty!

[chilly mist]

From what I've seen there is most rep to be had with Hallowfall, if you care about the Crest at renown 24. You also get a quest at renown 11 for a 584 neck

[limber lion]

np

[frail root]

There is 4 different things, like blacklist debuffs and buffs and stuff, which one is the right one I need to edit?

[chilly mist]

@frail root , also install the addon idTip if you haven't. Very useful for plater and weakauras

[normal lotus]

How much of an emphasis you guys putting into sanguine blades? I just watched whipyres m+ Video and it was much much higher than mine % damage wise. Idk why, I felt like I was always above half energy (clearly not)

[quaint spindle]

How’s everyone enjoying rogue (death stalker or bust) so far?

[frail root]

And o gotta delete all the others from blacklist debuffs right?

[spiral steeple]

if you are going on low energy in aoe you are probably not putting enough bleeds

[normal lotus]

I'm just testing at dummies and I am, idk if my damage is skewed so it appears lower

I'm bleeding all dummies on opener

[spiral steeple]

and are you refreshing the ruptures and garrotes?

if yes you really shouldnt be on low energy

[normal lotus]

Can I ask what % damage it's doing for you?

[spiral steeple]

sure let me login and hit some dummies

[steel parcel]

does assassination no longer have auto refresh of SnD?

[chilly mist]

Yeah just remove all passive stuff you don't play around. Should also remove stuff like Crimson tempest and just track it with a weakaura

[limber lion]

I mean if you have poisons on, you Garrote and Rupture everything in sight

You will automatically get full value from Sang

Because you'll be at 100% energy at all times

[limber lion]

It's baseline for all specs now

[steel parcel]

ah i see it now

but if im doing aoe and mass refreshing rupture and garrote i wont be envenoming much and wont be refreshing snd right?

[cobalt sphinx]

You envenom a lot in aoe

[frail root]

Can you recommend a good WA for sin? Mine is usually for sub and I guess it doesn’t really track stuff for sin

[limber lion]

You do Envenom enough

IC handles all the Garrote/Rupture spreading for most part

[limber lion]

!wa

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[spiral steeple]

thats more or less my breakdown for a 40 sec pull

[normal lotus]

Oh that looks just above mine

[spiral steeple]

you shuoldnt have to refresh bleeds for a pull like that

[normal lotus]

I'm likely not refreshing it properly in longer tests

Thank you

[spiral steeple]

yeah need to get a bit used to timings for that

[normal lotus]

Hard to test Assass in heroics so I'm just messing about at dummies making up m+ scenarios and seeing what I'd need to do 🙂

[spiral steeple]

yeah we still go hard with dps even in heroics

but u wont get many opportunitites to send cds properly in heroics

[normal lotus]

Think I maxed at 2.4m on dummies

I think only thing that's capped is CT right?

[frail root]

How can I deactivate a WA without deleting it?

[spiral steeple]

that sounds about right, you shuoldnt be doing any major mistakes if you are hitting that dps on dummies

[chilly mist]

Load - never

[frail root]

Ah thanks

[weak hemlock]

Hi, anyone knows a good Combo Point Weakaura?

[normal lotus]

Showing CP on plater is useful to me

But I'm not using ER

[hexed frost]

How is Fatebound for keys? As compared to poopstalker atleast

[glad cliff]

do we always send shiv beetwen mark and kingsbane ST and AOE? i see some ST openers that they dont recommend to use shiv first if u only have 1 charge

[fiery mauve]

I think it's neat

[slate crown]

!wa These packs have CP weakauras, you could look at them and pull out the CP aura you like best.

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[lapis epoch]

could someone kind enough plz explain the optimal usage for echoing reprimand and why if ran with serrated bone?

[limber lion]

Press it on cooldown

[fiery mauve]

just send it on cd

[limber lion]

That's it

[lapis epoch]

uhm ok thought it had more depth to it.. thx then I maybe dont need to understand it ^^

[chilly mist]

Shiv always has to cover the last 8 sec of kingsbane. So if you only run 1 charge then hold it for that and send 1 between kingsbanes I think?

[inland scroll]

any sources people are using for gearing?

[fiery mauve]

ilvl

[hexed frost]

Heroic spams and renown rewards

Easy 584ish

[normal lotus]

590 crests craft, should be able to get 8/9 items also works

Bit expensive like

[fossil sand]

g

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m gonna make it today along with !best or something for all the people asking about OUTLAW SIM HIGH GOOD????

[chilly mist]

Just farm valor stones, get all pieces to 580. Get crafted gear if you want, not really needed. Farm rep for the 584 pieces. Farm and hold your Restored Coffer Keys for Season 1 start for 603 Gear from Delves

[rotund oak]

1)Echoing reprimand(ER) now that it doesnt interact with darkest night(DN-deathstalker's final capstone),it doesnt trigger it in short,is used on cd and we press it is as early as possible into our rotation(because it generates cps we use to normally refresh slice and dice after our opener).
2)SbS(serrated bonespike) is just passive dmg that gives cps in return,its a generally very good thing to have,there is no downside.You can spec out of it if u want but as a passive is generally very very good.

[desert cove]

hell yeah, slay bestie

[nova aspen]

its the only spec that uses guns but is forced melee

[fiery mauve]

Don't let whispyr fool yall he said it cranks last night

[runic hinge]

Whispyr is usually cranking at night

[fiery mauve]

[pliant remnant]

multiple Outlaw god comp again?

Let's gooo

[fiery mauve]

[normal mist]

I like this plan

make everyone play outlaw

"outlaw too strong!" nerfed

Assa numbers seem low compared to outlaw.... Buffed!

Whispyr playing 3D chess

[fiery mauve]

[earnest hare]

someone have a double vanish build for M+?

[royal lantern]

there is no double vanish build

double vanish is wasting 4 points for nothing

[copper radish]

Hey, I kinda struggle with my aoe rotation. If there are a lot of mobs, should I be hitting each one of them with rupture after using ambush- garrote- rupture - fan of knives - crimson tempest? or just spam fan of knives + envenom

[normal mist]

You want to mainly maintain some targets ruptured (and garrote) for the scent of blood stacks and energy income. After that, just choose a target to caustic spatter and go ham

[rugged mango]

to make things easier you can ambush > garrote > rupture > rupture > garrote > fok > ct off the same mob and you'll have 5 targets with rupture/garrote and not need to worry about switching targets

[normal mist]

Yep that works well

[rotund oak]

u press garx2=>rupturex2=>(2nd gar while IC is active preferably manually on different target to stack scent)=>proceed with the rotation by picking ur target etc

and another thing

dont hold ur cds

send them

[viscid breach]

if you go past 7 too fast in coin flip build do you not get lucky coin?

[rotund oak]

wdym past 7?

[rotund oak]

u triggered fateful ending then

[viscid breach]

didn't get the lucky coin buff tho

[normal mist]

Yeah it's a bug iirc

If you skip 7

[feral mason]

6 to 8 doesnt give you the buff

[rotund oak]

bro edge cased twice?

[fast olive]

in ST deathstalker is it best to use envenom at 5 CP if i don't have DN? or is it better to mutilate to 7 then envenom?

[normal mist]

5+

And force 7 for dn

[fast olive]

okay ty

[vast basin]

hellow fellow rogue lovers

are we able to stack x2 embelishments so we get twice the bonus?

e.g x2 dawnthread

[rotund oak]

normally thats the plan but embelishments dont work right now

[vast basin]

ty sap

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[whole sand]

the minecart bit of darkflame cleft may be the worse thing they've ever made

[azure pumice]

Sorry if I'm late to the party but with Echoing Reprimand things are meant to act as if you have used 7 CP, but when I Envenom with charged CP it doesn't seem to trigger Darkest Night.
Is it cause one says 7 and one says 'Max' or is it just bugged or what? :/

[rotund oak]

bugged

u can check the pins,pretty sure there is a buglist

[azure pumice]

Damn. Kinda feels like that interaction is the point of those things existing in the first place.

Also roger that. Thanks

[lapis lantern]

HEY BOYS (:
two questions:

1. do i spam envenom with cds and out of cds (KB and DM) i chain it?
2. do you use the ambush procs of deathstalker even in AOE? 🙂

ty

love

[rotund oak]

1)U wanna spam as many finishers as humanly possible during ur cds and u wanna practice pooling while outside of them.There is a general guide/vid whispyr made explaining everything
2)Deathstalker doesnt play with blindside,should check the guide for an optimal build 🙂

but if u are still wanna play with it

there is nothing u can really do,blindside replaces mutilate anyway

u just press it

or u can ignore if there are 3+ targets which makes pressing fok ur main builder

[desert cove]

wait but according to the wowhead guide you play blindside in raid

[rotund oak]

''even in aoe''

[desert cove]

or are we talking purely m+

oic

mb

I missed that part

sorry bestie

[rotund oak]

much love

[lapis lantern]

ty 🙂 !

and i meant ambush/multilate

in aoe, since it consumes the stack, but im not sure at whoch target size in m+ i will consume

[rotund oak]

as a deathstalker u wanna apply the mark asap

[desert cove]

mark is highest prio

[rotund oak]

pick one target and max cp envenom

[desert cove]

b/c without mark you have no hero tree

[lapis lantern]

what im asking is if i consme in large packs the stacks with multilate

[iron valve]

no, ignore it and just use fan - unless you need to refresh caustic

[lapis lantern]

ok

🙂

[dense cloud]

bingo bongo

[lapis lantern]

ty

[desert cove]

grats

[lapis lantern]

gz

[rotund oak]

avoidance rolled

huuge

[crisp shard]

is it just me or is deathstalker really annoying?

[dense cloud]

I might up it to higher than 580#

[cerulean walrus]

How many Ara-Kara’s did you abandon for that one?

[rotund oak]

what for? 😛

u wont be using it anyway

[dense cloud]

so I can waste crests

[cerulean walrus]

Shit trinket

[dense cloud]

so i can handycap myself

[rotund oak]

[strange python]

shrinket

[cerulean walrus]

Real

[whole sand]

i like everything being purple on my character sheet

[strange python]

i’ll just do PvP slop to get conquest if i feel pressed for gear when the season starts

[cerulean walrus]

Wait

[rotund oak]

we will have to pvp btw for sockets

just sayin'

[dense cloud]

huh

[cerulean walrus]

Oh joy

[dense cloud]

why is that

[fleet pagoda]

our godking's wowhead guide recommends whetstone and weighstone each for consumables. the weightstone is likely an error, yeah, or am i missing something obvious?

[cerulean walrus]

You hear that @wheat nebula guess we’re going to get gladiator after all

[strange python]

assassination is good for pvp right? especially deathstalker i’m guessing

[rotund oak]

coz pvp gives free sockets

[rotund oak]

sub is light years ahead but sin still good ye

[trail locust]

Whetstone sounds pog tho

[strange python]

fatebound sounds neat if you’re fighting any frost mage

[rotund oak]

100%,those coins will definitely kill him

[strange python]

chain shadowstep genius

[rotund oak]

not enough

and u cant step in a nova

[cerulean walrus]

Just cloak and unga bunga

[rotund oak]

and he blocks,u die on the next nova with rank 1 frostbolt

like the old days

[cerulean walrus]

Ez

Go next

[crisp shard]

smokebomb the second nova?

[strange python]

get knocked out of stealth randomly for no reason eight times

[rotund jungle]

Does anyone know how i can use just the Combo points the energy and the envenom bar from luxthos? his WA is crazy

[crisp shard]

when he runs in blind

[cerulean walrus]

Just use sprint to break LoC

[rotund oak]

pet nova is aoe,same as the regular one

[cerulean walrus]

[rotund oak]

he will blizzard u cant reset

u die when bomb is gone

just go sub and murder his ass

[crisp shard]

be then he can't cast rank 1 frostbolt to do dmg

[rotund oak]

ye he can sheep u with veins

u die with a wand

[strange python]

we need pvp trinket that makes you immune to frost damage

[crisp shard]

or just trinket that kills mages

[strange python]

anti-mage twelve gauge

[rotund oak]

mage>any melee that wants time to ramp

not only frost

fire or arcane

same sht

u die

[lucid rune]

Do you all use mouseover shadowstep?

[strange python]

people use fire or arcane in pvp?

[rotund oak]

frost or arcane now

but mage got nerfed now

a bit

still god tier

[frail geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

that’s it. eight new movement spells and ten more defensives for mage immediately

also 42% aura buff and cloth armor value tripled

[balmy condor]

I don't use mouseover anything

[crisp shard]

mouseover pickpocket is useful sometimes

[strange python]

gurgling wax or whatever

[balmy condor]

gargle on

[lucid rune]

It’s definitely finicky

Might go back to regular

[balmy condor]

I find that 95% of the time when people are like oh my god you need mouseovers on step you need mouseovers on gar/rup or else you're bad and it's so much better

[iron valve]

just

/targetenemy
/cast Pick Pocket

[balmy condor]

they're kinda just

not good enough

[strange python]

shadowstep may unironically be the best ability for having joy and whimsy in your heart

[crisp shard]

I have it macro'd to my sap macro, so I just spam that tbh

[gusty mirage]

You need a mouseover step macro to murder your friends tho

[spice surge]

I didnt have it either but got one during sark

[gusty mirage]

Esp those boomkins

[royal lantern]

didnt play with mouseover sstep forever

[crisp shard]

I like a focus step/kick macro though

[spice surge]

Because you couldnt step the boss because of spooky circles

[royal lantern]

only started doing it 1 year ago lol

[strange python]

you can murder a boomkin with a leveling trinket proc

[gusty mirage]

Just waste cloak and move in the half second you have to realize where it put you

[rotund oak]

🫶

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

o/

[royal lantern]

murdering boomkins is always the ethical correct choice

[fiery vapor]

in your openner garrote + rupture, u need re aply those after use deathmark ?

or the damage of the break and club already increases if I use deathmak after

[errant mauve]

Sin the top rogue but how far off is my outlaw pirate rogue?

[fiery vapor]

rupture * garrote*

[strange python]

i don’t believe anything in game snapshots anymore

like at all

so it should be fine probably

[crisp shard]

I keep trying deathmark, but the fact that I never get a restealth in dungeons makes me dislike it alot

[spice surge]

Huh

[chilly mist]

If they die/you consume the 3 stacks, your next 7cp envenom applies it

no need for restealth

[crisp shard]

I know you can get the buff to reapply it, but I lose it sometimes in the really big pulls

[wheat whale]

Is Fatal Intent already fixed? the Bug List shows as fixed, but it almost does no damage

[strange python]

that isn’t always the most reliable though, i get the frustration but it feels really nice when you do get it

[crisp shard]

I also don't think it works with echoing reprimand?

[spice surge]

Its fixed, it just sucks ye

Before it did literally 0

Now it does almost zero

[strange python]

echoing reprimand is my mortal enemy and i will never touch it

[chilly mist]

Yeah that one is very weird, no idea why its like that

[spice surge]

Because its bugged

[chilly mist]

makes 0 sense

[crisp shard]

I dunno, I just feel deathmark is more annoying than fun

[spice surge]

Then play fatebound

[white crag]

what's higher prio with no restealth: gar/rupt targets or 7 combo point env to apply deathmark?

[strange python]

i just really like how the rupture thingy works in 2-3 targets with bone spikes

[balmy condor]

deathstalker's mark

[white crag]

thx boss

[spice surge]

Them calling it deathstalkers mark

When we already have deathmark

Is such a silly move

[white crag]

oh yeah lol

[chilly mist]

I think it will be better when m+ comes out. Hc dungeons feels like a pretty bad benchmark for assass potential

[balmy condor]

people shorthanding it to deathmark is even worse

[crisp shard]

our talent tree also needs more spikes and green misty clouds

[spice surge]

Ye

[strange python]

stalker stabby is my go to

[novel storm]

Hows outlaw compared to sin in m+?

[crisp shard]

deathstalker's mark *

[rotund oak]

deathlog parsing

[vestal wren]

DM best abbreviation if you play subtlety
😕 Deathstalkers macabre? Danse Mark?

[haughty flicker]

at least we get dn

[crisp shard]

I'm gonna have to givefatebound a try

[rotund oak]

deez nuts

[balmy condor]

yeh that's pretty awful

[stray fox]

are you supposed to not finish with env if it's gonna kill a target and you lose deathstalker's mark? or just do it and hope vanish is up so you can get it going again

[strange python]

yes it’s called edgving

[balmy condor]

as if secret tech, shadow tech, shadowed finishers wasn't enough

[strange python]

ignore whispyr answer

[vast basin]

what gems are you guys using at tho moment?

[spare nimbus]

anyone got a nice darkest night and mark weakaura?

[normal mist]

none

[strange python]

de beers

[balmy condor]

the cheap ones

[novel storm]

Simming how much worse?

[rotund oak]

outlaw outsims all the rogue specs

even itself

[crisp shard]

is sub decent in M+? I haven't seen any of the sims

[formal lynx]

Ye I saw that in sims but does it feel like that? Cuz assa is Poppin with deathst

[crisp shard]

I guess this is the wrong channel for that

[balmy condor]

deathstalker isn't even better right now

it's mostly sudden demise I'm gonna be honest

[formal lynx]

Real?

[balmy condor]

sudden demise doing like 15% of your damage in heroics

and then also being 10% bleed damage

it's just low content nonsense

assa aoe is good but it's not like insanely op

[formal lynx]

Ye but sims are made in high end content or right now?

[balmy condor]

sims are a synthetic

they aren't made in anything

[formal lynx]

Aight

With rbot

[rotund oak]

its one of those specs that sims pretty high but no one rly plays it and there is a reason why.No dance,nerfed CS capstone,no acro.

[balmy condor]

outlaw sims in a vacuum where there's no value in burst and no downtime

[rotund oak]

yeah

its just baiting

[formal lynx]

So if I wanna raid

[rotund oak]

no reasonable person plays this outlaw

[formal lynx]

Is it good assa

[rotund oak]

it makes no sense

[formal lynx]

?

[vestal wren]

raid design allowed that on many fights in DF

just don't look at amirdrassil

[rotund oak]

probably the best out the 3 specs if u are new

[formal lynx]

I've been maining rogue sin wod