assassination

[spice surge]

Which aint available during the season

[cobalt sphinx]

gotem

[balmy condor]

Nah I got rid of it

[cobalt sphinx]

just use whatever raidbots says

[strange python]

only use cool purple orb

[spice surge]

Its still there for me, but ye its probably just cache or something idk

[strange python]

fuck what is that

[dark token]

we could submit a profile to bloodmallet so they put up trinket sims for us

so people just look there and dont ask questions as much

its nice to see em compared anyway to run droptimizers less

yeah trinkets will be changed/tuning occurs but bloodmallet will rerun the sims in that case, assuming our profile doesnt change much

[haughty lantern]

BIGGEST complaint with the broodsac is the fuckin animation

i don't like seeing spider egg sacs on me...

[errant willow]

Stupid question but is there any kind of BiS list for heroic gear?

[haughty lantern]

KIND of

[pliant remnant]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[solid copper]

am i the only 1 to dumb to find authority of the depths enchant

[haughty lantern]

i made it myself. BASICALLY chase the vet track gear from council/machine speakers/arathi, and then chase anything from heroics with crit/haste/mast. that will hold you over

[haughty lantern]

i.....how? doesn't it come from the raid??

[dark token]

i dont even see an animation what

[royal lantern]

hey, now you know how whisp feels

😄

[balmy condor]

I refuse to compile data on pre-season

[pliant remnant]

Guys

You think he refuses to compile data on pre-season?

[drifting cloud]

m0 bis list when

its not preseason

[errant willow]

No worries, as I said it was a stupid question, mythic gear is coming, it was just to get a sense of direction, I have been doing the usual, stack crit/mastery gear

[haughty lantern]

lmao this is us in a nutshell

[fluid smelt]

In Soviet Russia pre season refuses to compile data on you

[balmy condor]

Item level > item without vers >= item with vers

[bronze pike]

r u ready

[deft geyser]

why does assa doesnt get nerfed today? when fdk ele and enh got nerfed, why not assa, strange

[bronze pike]

for sin to be meta guys? now that fdk is deadge

[balmy condor]

Right on queue

[pliant remnant]

Better question is why didn't it get buffed today?

[alpine garden]

Did they fix the ER bug?

[deft geyser]

is assa not the most dmg dealing meele right nowß

[arctic socket]

Wait sin got nerfed?

Someone link me the post pls

[late surge]

can we nuke sin already

too op in hc dungeons!

[late surge]

it didnt no

[sweet shore]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-september-3-1937024

[balmy condor]

I swear to god

[sweet shore]

@arctic socket here if you wann see

[late surge]

deep breaths

[balmy condor]

There will be a pin when it is rest assured

[late surge]

ull get through it

[arctic socket]

I don’t see bug fixes

[balmy condor]

There aren’t any

[arctic socket]

I’m sad

[alpine garden]

and a small party and cake

[pliant remnant]

I have ceased all jorking, so that I can jork extra hard when they fix the ER bug

[past forum]

okay but bug fixes? where?

[arctic socket]

0

The wording on mark is just a typo

[spice spire]

Man’s edging to bug fixes

[arctic socket]

They will fix it soon

[spice spire]

High key a real one

[arctic socket]

Mood af

[thorn fjord]

Sucks he have another week of nothing to really do

Damn I want raid

[arctic socket]

There isn’t anything to do

Next Tuesday tho

We up

[past forum]

down so bad he already in the ringing deeps before launch day

[late surge]

next tuesday nothing happens

[spice spire]

Real

[arctic socket]

I can’t wait for er to finally be fixed then rogue get hit with a 15% nerf

[spice spire]

Weeklies reset bud get woke

[arctic socket]

Gonna be great

[late surge]

oh

my bad g

forgot about the prime content

[arctic socket]

Raid comes out

[spice spire]

10th

[arctic socket]

Next Tuesday I thought

[late surge]

I can do theatre lag again

[arctic socket]

Oh

[thorn fjord]

On the 10th

[pliant remnant]

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[late surge]

dw

u can farm rares for another 12 days

to min max renown

!

[spice spire]

Hell yeah

[arctic socket]

Why does it take casuals 4 weeks to get heroic geared so they can complain about normal being too hard?

[spice spire]

And by hell yeah

I mean

[arctic socket]

Bliz L

[thorn fjord]

Because feet

[spice spire]

Time to level ele

[late surge]

I dont mind the schedule tho

[arctic socket]

Lemme level up all my shit lmao

[thorn fjord]

They gotta appeal to the casuals

[pliant remnant]

I do

They really shoulda cut out the second week of absolutely fuck all

[thorn fjord]

They know our dumbasses are already paying up

[spice spire]

Sorry I touch grass got one slt in me

[late surge]

I mean I would prefer it to release next week

[arctic socket]

Who wants to play RuneScape with me while we wait?

[late surge]

but like

its not too bad

[red bloom]

you tell em peter

[spice spire]

Not in a million years big dog

RuneScape in 2024 ain’t no way

[royal lantern]

assa has high aoe dmg in dungeons

thats it

Its ST is mid at best lol

[pliant remnant]

Thank you Hames

[arctic socket]

No reason it shouldn’t release Tuesday 😦

[pliant remnant]

[royal lantern]

people jerk to dungeon overall so hard, its crazy lol

[arctic socket]

Sin st Doodoo

[thorn fjord]

They gotta build up the hype

[arctic socket]

Compared to arcane mage

[late surge]

but but

my overall

[arctic socket]

We dumpster

[late surge]

means I good

!

[deft geyser]

same as fdk

[arctic socket]

Dude it’s gonna be so hyped when sin get bug fixes

[royal lantern]

[arctic socket]

When er gets fixed I will post feet pics

[late surge]

@blizzard

[flat olive]

is it our time to rise soon

[vital hound]

I dont like echoing reprimand, is there a build thats close enough without it? I wont be raiding mythic, probably not even heroic on rogue

[late surge]

fix quick

[spice spire]

Don’t do that

[late surge]

fatebound uses cold blood instead

[past forum]

he didnt say where

[novel storm]

is there wago to track scent of blood?

[vital hound]

Sick

[arctic socket]

“He”

[late surge]

d oyou perhaps

dabble in league

[arctic socket]

I’m diamond 2

In league

[drifting cloud]

my condolences

[flat olive]

in 2024?

[late surge]

agreed

[spice spire]

Holy

Mental Illinois fr

[arctic socket]

Lmao Illinois

[royal lantern]

📸

[spice spire]

Still waiting on the tryan dogs

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-a-sign-of-affection-yuki-itose-yubisaki-to-renren-blush-gif-14011784774876811587

[solid copper]

are we running hyrbrid or bleed build in dungeons rn?

[novel storm]

any scent of blood wago guys?

[desert cove]

pyf, but hybrid is imo better rn so you can actually kill bosses

9/10 heroic dungeon groups I've been in are just full pad builds with no boss damage

[royal lantern]

i have no dogs

[spice spire]

You diabetic or

[arctic socket]

He meant your dawgs

[spice spire]

Cuz I ain’t talking about canines

[arctic socket]

Show them grippers off

[spice spire]

(Do not actually)

[arctic socket]

Do it

[late surge]

(do actually)

[arctic socket]

And @ him

[eternal hawk]

[royal lantern]

?????????????????????????????????????????

[late surge]

@royal lantern where the grippers at

asap pwease :3

[spice spire]

Dog no shot you checked right this second

[arctic socket]

UwU

[spice spire]

Absolutely ain’t no way

[eternal hawk]

SHUT

[past forum]

"bro the assa community is great, they have peak theorycrafting discussions." the peak in question:

[arctic socket]

You entered at wrong time homie

Come back in like

15 mins

[late surge]

tryans grippers is prime theorycrafting

[eternal hawk]

i just needed to check the pins man and i come in to see gripper discussion

[late surge]

wdym

[spice spire]

Terra’s a former raider of mine, they’ve seen way worse

Nice filter

Hell yeah

[arctic socket]

Poor thing

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

@royal lantern where them toe beans at?

[balmy condor]

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[faint path]

!wa

[arctic socket]

You would have something like that

[cosmic rune]

!help

[late surge]

wheres step 3

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-20866919

[spice spire]

Those look way better than the ones you sent

[late surge]

ive seen 1 and 2

[faint path]

Can someone link weak auras

[spice spire]

Oh is the bot dead

[royal lantern]

!wa

[spice spire]

!wa

[arctic socket]

!wa

[balmy condor]

It was a medical emergency

[faint path]

fuck its deadd

[spice spire]

Oh he’s dead

[royal lantern]

moroes dead

[arctic socket]

Shit dead af

[past forum]

i'd rather swim in a sea of toes than try to speak in the boomie channel, ngl

[late surge]

rip 🪦

[faint path]

I need plater aura that shows shiv and crimson tempest buffsssss

[arctic socket]

The grippers talk killed the bot 😦

[past forum]

tf moroes been dead for years and that aint stopped him

[haughty lantern]

guys what should i do for lunch?

[late surge]

grippers took him out man

rip

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor is feet considered nsfw content here?

[spice spire]

Poke

[bronze pike]

the real life

xalatoes

[haughty lantern]

not a fan of raw fish/meat.....

[vocal cypress]

any idea of top dog this season? is is sub>sin>outlaw?

[faint path]

sin> all

[arctic socket]

Mexican food

[haughty lantern]

had taco bowl last night......

[late surge]

yo

Im jealous

[balmy condor]

That’s actually a good question, considering all the xal’atath feet memes I’m gonna say probably not but this feels like I’m walking into a trap

[spice spire]

Posting

[slate crown]

!toes

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

I got permission

Screenshotting it

[cloud heron]

Worth going Fatebound until they fix the Echoing Reprimand/Deathstalker interaction?

[violet sluice]

!wa

[harsh harbor]

definitely worth it for heroic dungeons

[haughty lantern]

i'm more so sticking to deathstalker just to get the like...gameplay and mindset ingrained into my brain wrinkles

HELP

[orchid cedar]

which rogue spec do you guys think will perform the best in general?

[violet talon]

Pressing Ambush instead of Garrote out of stealth still messes with me half the time lol

[zealous wolf]

I hate when tanks dont stop for a sec for me to restealth

[haughty lantern]

i'm thinking maybe grilled cheese for lunch

[zealous wolf]

Or when random chain lightning or some other random damage gets you out of stealth

So you dont get the mark

[faint path]

didnt even know that never read that shit how I'm gonna get used to it: d

[past forum]

only really matters on the first pull, otherwise you can reapply with the capstone

[royal lantern]

mate

you apply most marks with capstone

not with stealth

[violet talon]

You'd be surprised the number of times my dumb ass opened with garrote out of habit, then I went "oh shit", vanished to try again and STILL pressed garrote immediately after from muscle memory 😂

[grim jay]

Dang

Holy

Tryan defended something

Deathstalker related

Mum, am I dreaming?

[cerulean nest]

its pretty fun getting broken out of stealth somehow every 3 seconds in dungeons and not getting ambush off

[grim jay]

As he said

You barely ambush

[cerulean nest]

i understand ty

[zealous wolf]

Wdym by capstone

I may be dumb

[alpine garden]

Darkest night

[zealous wolf]

Ah, yeah

[cerulean nest]

getting broken out of stealth for nothing is still dumb

[plain flower]

Assa losing in single target to outlaw is blowing my mind

[royal lantern]

its still a dogshit tree that should be deleted and done again from ground up

but the entire "i cant stealth = no mark" thing is just people not reading their talents lol

[orchid cedar]

in aoe too afaik

[royal lantern]

how do you know that/where do you see it

and if you say sims

lol

comparing sims

[zealous wolf]

How do you deal with trying to find the target with the mark?

[robust axle]

But sims

[zealous wolf]

In large pulls

[grim jay]

People not realizing outlaw always sims higher is blowing my mind

[cerulean nest]

im complaining about something else lol. im saying if im stealthed, why are random mechanics taking me out of it all the time. not extending it to say "and therefore I cant get off my crucial ambushes which I need for damage"

[zealous wolf]

After you spread dots

[violet talon]

Which makes it all the more confusing imo why they chose ambush to be the trigger. Or why it is only from stealth and not simply when stealth effects apply (like Subterfuge)

[royal lantern]

outlaw always sims high

sim dmg doesnt matter lol

[past forum]

https://tenor.com/view/false-facts-fake-news-gif-3718583105056900815

[plain flower]

Its a massive difference that even bugged sims cant change youd be more fair saying wait for heroic tuning

[royal lantern]

mate

outlaw ALWAYS sims high

[grim jay]

Its always a big diff

Wtf

[plain flower]

Not for me!!?

[grim jay]

For everyone

Literally

[royal lantern]

like, the entire thing is

high sim number doesnt matter, cus thats not how the game works

[plain flower]

[vague portal]

what missive we use?

[past forum]

while it is definitely a thing you'd rather not have happen, you still get IC and imp garrote even if stealth is broken so it's rarely that big of a deal

[sudden hound]

easiest way is to use plater or some other nameplate addon change the color of the nameplate that has your mark

[orchid cedar]

assa is simming the worst out of the 3 specs

[robust axle]

Probs crit/mast

[cerulean nest]

I get it, not arguing that

[royal lantern]

almost always did

in like, the last 3 expansions

[grim jay]

Literally everyone thats a rogue for longer than a few months can tell you that

[royal lantern]

and outlaw is always highest

[plain flower]

Cope

[prime quail]

is Fatebound atm far behind in dungeons?

[novel storm]

@balmy condor im using your afenar edit, its fucking awesome, but id like to see s&d all the time in wago, what do i have to do for it?

[royal lantern]

the thing is, sim numbers dont matter cus bosses are not you afk hitting the enemy for 5min

[grim jay]

You indeed are coping

[robust axle]

Just play Outlaw Cozy, and let us cope 🙂

[plain flower]

I play all 3

[royal lantern]

burst windows/mechanics are literally the #1 thing in raids

[orchid cedar]

we'll see when raiding starts and logs appear

[royal lantern]

outlaws always cry that they are "Unplayable" in raids, yet their sim number is high

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[orchid cedar]

same with mythics

[balmy condor]

Go into the trigger and set to always instead of aura missing

[royal lantern]

difference bettwen trees is 2-3%

[dark token]

holy moly

free alt drip

[robust axle]

I play all three, yet doesnt know Outlaw is the biggest simbait every xpac 🙂

[dark token]

might even use on main over 590

[spice surge]

Just like how outlaw simmed way higher in amirdrassil

[royal lantern]

ye

[grim jay]

Nah we are coping

[royal lantern]

meanwhile #outlaw was 24/7 complaining that its "unplayable"

[novel storm]

@balmy condor fuck nice man, thanks, you are awesome!!!

[true rapids]

!wa

[dark token]

just like how outlaw sims higher every tier

then never shows up

[balmy condor]

Np

[dark token]

perma oversim

[royal lantern]

moroes is probs dead rn

not showing up all the time

[prime quail]

@royal lantern where can i find builds are some listed in this discrd? on wowhead there is jst one with deathstalker

[orchid cedar]

i was wondering, other than dmg what does Rogue bring to a M+ run?

[true rapids]

it do be like that I scrolled up and found it

[inner swift]

anyone here renown 11 with dornogal?

[orchid cedar]

Shroud doesn't seem that important

[royal lantern]

wowhead should have builds for everything

[dark token]

nothing rly other than shroud for convenience

[royal lantern]

i doubt that whisp is only putting 1 build in there lol

[true rapids]

do you need companion app to update a plater profile without reimporting the whole thing?

[robust axle]

Honestly, shroud is our buggest utility now-a-days lmao

[dark token]

especially cause

invis pots dont share cd with pot now

u dont need shroud

[royal lantern]

dmg is what matters most of the time soooo.................

[crystal delta]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[prime quail]

@royal lantern ye mb just looked in talent builds what makes deathstalker stronger is it the single target ?

[dark token]

the only "utility we have"

[spice surge]

Iron wire

[dark token]

is group aoe speed during shroud

(sub)

and iron wire for sin ig but dh can do that too (silence start of pull)(

[royal lantern]

like, people love to cope on utility etc......

but you wont bring a spec into m+ because "muh utiltiy" when it does low dmg

and you will bring a spec that does BIG dmg even if it bring "nothing"

[orchid cedar]

will we do dmg tho?

[royal lantern]

assa is looking good for overall dmg in dungeons rn

but looking at numbers at the current moment is not a thing you should do

[dark token]

a bit op tbh

[robust axle]

Didnt watch much beta did you

[orchid cedar]

nope that's why i'm asking

[dark token]

wonder what made us so good is it just the bonespike change

[grim jay]

Id like to look at your phone number

[dark token]

cant be

did bleeds get overall buff

[grim jay]

Blizzard wanted to reward us

[prime quail]

is assa a good 2nd main pick to have for m+ ? Are the pumping rn?

[grim jay]

[formal pasture]

i just did a homemade spec and pretend its legion

[royal lantern]

the aoe setup is really fast rn, spatter does stupid high dmg cus envenom does hit like a nuke

[robust axle]

You cant have a 2nd main lmao

[royal lantern]

DN envenom on a enemy with spatter does silly dmg

[gleaming geyser]

partly; SBS expedites our bleed maintenance and you get into kingsbane spatter really fast

[orchid cedar]

imagine they fix ER bug 😦

[dark token]

ye i think its deathstalker buffs on envenom spattering

and it resetting on kill

[round lantern]

when running vicious venom, your first evenom after echoing should be 5 combo points right? the guide on wowhead is having you send right after (which should be only at 2 combo points?)

[dark token]

at the same time, kingsbane window became less about stacking it

[jaunty dew]

@balmy condor Just imported your wa and got a bugged icon -

[royal lantern]

i mean, fatebound is not much worse

Its literally that spatter + high envenom dmg is constant high aoe dmg

[quaint dragon]

!pooling

[dark token]

so u dont need perfect uptime for giga stack

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[jaunty dew]

Any clue which one is it? 😮

[royal lantern]

kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Yeah other people have reported it too but I can’t for the life of me figure out what the fuck it is

[jaunty dew]

No kingsbane is on the bottom

[royal lantern]

leme go onnline and hit an enemy

[jaunty dew]

It has to be a core rogue/sin thing because its on both hero talents

[balmy condor]

Like gar/rup?

[sudden swan]

Isn't it normally spatter in that position?

[royal lantern]

spatter for me

[jaunty dew]

SBS maybe?

[sudden swan]

Oh wait spatter is already on that screenshot

[balmy condor]

I don’t track sbs

[jaunty dew]

wait wait

i procced something

and it changedf

[royal lantern]

without spatter its SnD

[dark token]

last tier also had envenom buffs tho

from tier set

[royal lantern]

why is your setup so different overall lol

rupture is missing aswell

[balmy condor]

It’s a dynamic group

[silent ether]

Hello i am a new rogue player, should i be scared of assasination?

[balmy condor]

It’ll shift with talents and stuff

[jaunty dew]

@balmy condor ok i think its something from rupture

[misty torrent]

Which Embellishment should I use with my crafted gear?

Dawnthread Lining?

[balmy condor]

Yes we bite and do spooky things like rupture

[alpine pagoda]

i need a bi8g ass envenom buff timer

[round lantern]

@balmy condor

[silent ether]

i mean as complexity lmao hahahaha

[balmy condor]

Just crit and you’re on an animacharge it’s very simple

But yeah go to 5 obviously

[dusty skiff]

Is assa ahead of outlaw and sub in terms of damage output?

[balmy condor]

Right now you shouldn’t embellish anything, but if you must, go Dawnthread

[balmy condor]

No one knows

[royal python]

Why is assassination simming about 100k DPS lower than sub at 582 gear, is it accurate

[alpine pagoda]

feels like it, i hated playing outlaw leveling.

[balmy condor]

Be like that

[robust axle]

Why does Outlaw sim 200k more?

[jaunty dew]

Wait until 1st vault at least to see if you get a weapon

[balmy condor]

Be like that

[robust axle]

Ikr

[misty torrent]

Oh thank you. Also thank you for your Assassination Deathstalker guide on WoWHead.com. I started WoW a week ago, and it has helped me out immensely

[balmy condor]

My pleasure

[gleaming geyser]

Took me 20 dawnbreakers to get dagger off 2nd boss 🧓

[nimble tartan]

dear sin players when you see outlaw doin more than you in raid just know that its only normal and heroic and some mythic but your bosses will come!! there are a few!

[royal python]

Be like that means sims are wrong or that's a pretty accurate representation of state of tuning

[arctic socket]

Hopefully you left after the second boss

[balmy condor]

Neither

[arctic socket]

To fulfill your true rogue potential

[gleaming geyser]

no, im a good boy and carried on

[royal python]

Then?

[balmy condor]

Be like that

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

Outlaw simming high is nothing new

Stop looking at simdps

As a metric for balance

[royal lantern]

comparing sims is not something you should do

[jagged gulch]

hello all new to sin and a bit confusing, any tips?

[balmy condor]

Read guide

One step at a time

Maintain bleed

[royal lantern]

sims are for maximizing your gear and talent choices, not to take the numbers and compare them with eachother bettwen specs/classes

[balmy condor]

Spam envenom

Press CDs on cd

[jagged gulch]

is there a way to spread bleeds on packs with no restealth?

[dark token]

u realize sims cross spec are pointless right

all sims are good for are comparing behavior for ONE spec at a time

[vestal wren]

sims cross spec is good

[royal lantern]

fok until 5+ cp->rupture, and tab to the next guy

repeat until you have endless energy

[vestal wren]

because you can compare output

but its not a good measurement of balance

[jagged gulch]

ahhh ok ty whispyr and tyran

[royal python]

How can cross spec sims be irrelevant, i don't get 😄

[dark token]

you literally cant, look at outlaw vs other specs every tier or try to compare any other class sims to ours now

because each spec has varying levels of implementation

[royal lantern]

what fuu said

you CAN compare output

but people use it to compare balance

which is not what they do

[dark token]

like fire mage vs fire mage sim will tell you what gear is better

because relatively spec decreased

[jaunty dew]

It was SBS

it was still loading

[vestal wren]

i think s3 DF was the best showcase

[dark token]

but fire mage vs sub is not gonna tell you shit for the class dmg diff, its usually pretty off by like +- 10-20% or more

[royal lantern]

yes

[royal python]

Are we disguising the problem as a sim coder problem

[vestal wren]

the raid was way more specific than a patchwerk sim

soo many figths with specirfic timings or damage amps

[dark token]

im talking even patchwerk 5 min fight

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

a sim can show you all the data points

[dark token]

its not gonna match the sims

[balmy condor]

Aight I guess I need to hunt down stuff

[royal lantern]

outlaw was dominating in sims

sub was the best spec because 2 big fights REALLY played into sub, and the last fight was good for it aswell

[runic hinge]

Wish it was me

[dark token]

you guys are saying fights dont match patchwerk sims

[royal lantern]

if you used sims to talk about balance? outlaw was broken OP and sub was "just good"

[dark token]

sure i agree

[vestal wren]

but you need to understand that you can't just look at higher number = best

[dark token]

thats obvious

[strange python]

Imagine running cold blooded

[dark token]

but even target dummy one class vs another and comparing to sim outpuit

it doesnt match well

[balmy condor]

Don’t need to imagine, I’ve done it all expac

[dark token]

only loosely correlated

[vestal wren]

there is one fight that patchwerk sim fits perfectly

[jaunty dew]

[strange python]

Is it better?

[dark token]

look at like terros or something

outlaw was top simming every tier

didnt win on terros

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s must play on fatebound yeah

[vestal wren]

no, petchwerk

its literally called like the fight

[dark token]

terros is patchwerk you dont lose contact with the boss

[brave stump]

except you hold w

[vestal wren]

but thats correct, some fights are close to patchwerk

[strange python]

What I did was untick resounding clarity and added a tick to lethality. Running deathstalker hybrid build.

[dark token]

having played the game for so long its obvious to me the sim ranking does not match dps ranking in a patchwerk fight

every tier

[balmy condor]

We’re not disguising any problem, you’re just wanting sims to be something they aren’t idk man

[dark token]

again i think this is due to varying levels of goodness from aplk

some specs are rly good with minmaxing it some cba

[balmy condor]

Well yeh on deathstalker you run echoing

[dark token]

some simc coder diffs as well from ingame maybe

but when you compare one spec relative to itself

[strange python]

Right but animacharged cp are bugged they don’t work with DN.

I was told this today

[dark token]

you DO get useful info for comparison what is a better rotation

or gearing

[balmy condor]

Yeah they are

[strange python]

Sucks. Hopefully it gets fixed soon.

[strange python]

How does one become a Shadow?

[balmy condor]

Many years of moderating this clown show

[strange python]

How do you step into a moderator role?

[royal python]

By writing reliable sim code

[balmy condor]

Many years of providing help and good information followed by many years of moderating after that

[loud girder]

Is ass rogue the slowest mobility class or am i missing something

[balmy condor]

What are you talking about brother

[balmy condor]

Sprint + 2 charge shadowstep

[pliant remnant]

[strange python]

Alright well Ill begin to offer help.

I mean I do code

[dark token]

to help others you must first help yourself

[strange python]

I’m an indie game developer

[loud girder]

I yearn for the outlaw chain

[thorn fjord]

There is no spoon

[balmy condor]

You’re more than welcome to look at the sims, they’re open source on github

[strange python]

Oh nice!

What are sims though? Like amount of dps?

[thorn fjord]

We’re fortunate that rogue sims have historically been one of the better ones compared to other classes

And we have some bomb ass theorycrafters

And whispyr is cute

[strange python]

lol

Is he the owner of the discord?

[thorn fjord]

Nah

[nimble tartan]

it was fr good ah on terros first weeks

[balmy condor]

Simulations

[nimble tartan]

but obv when the timer shortens then the cd classes win

[royal python]

I mean, till now it's always been recommended to sim stats, but now a cross spec comparison is to my understanding be ignored, so not sure how to interact with sims

[balmy condor]

They’re how a lot of theorycrafting get done

[strange python]

What is theorycrafting?

[royal lantern]

so like the "real" world then

[balmy condor]

Aight surely you’re trolling at this point

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/code-purpose-of-life-matrix-gif-5601363

[strange python]

No I’m serious.

[thorn fjord]

He might not be tbh lol

[strange python]

I don’t know these terms

[dark token]

no one recommends to sim stats

[thorn fjord]

Mods

[dark token]

they recommend to sim top gear for ur spec

to compare ur gear

ignore cross spec data

[royal python]

Simming gear, individually, not the stat option

[balmy condor]

Theorycrafting is the act of taking data and various findings and putting it into rotational gameplay for the spec

[strange python]

I would like to learn everything and off to help with the community

[thorn fjord]

Them fun bags are delicious

[strange python]

Offer *

[dark token]

what is rotation

[balmy condor]

There’s experts for each class/spec community that have done this for years

[dark token]

this?

[balmy condor]

They’re usually also the guide writers for wowhead icyveins etc

[warm patio]

Just wanted to say thanks for the Wowhead guide. Certainly one of the more detailed and concise guides as someone completely new to Sin rogue.

[balmy condor]

Np

[strange python]

Okay so. If I were to run my rotation in such a way that gives higher sims than previous rotations. The data is called theorycrafting.

[balmy condor]

I mean that would be a simmed gain, you can’t just take every simulated gain and expect it to be better though

Sims are still robots

They’re gonna do inhuman things if you ask them to

[thorn fjord]

They aren’t actually playing the game

A robot is compiling the data from imaginary gameplay

[balmy condor]

You gotta balance what sims are telling you with what a reasonable player would be able to do

That’s how guides get written

[thorn fjord]

Terminator would be a sick ass rogue

Rank 1

[balmy condor]

Like it’s not helpful for a sim to play 100% perfectly and then have people sim themselves for gear upgrades or something

[thorn fjord]

Are there ability types that historically break the robot @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

When it could be playing like 95% perfectly and model a human better

[royal python]

But then the sim writer has an advantage in what to discount- are you saying we examine the changes in spell casts between different sim runs n assess manually

[strange python]

So. Let me get this straight. We have imaginary robots that sim the rotations. The data that is collected is called theorycrafting. This data is then compiled. Then the guide writers edit the guides based on the data compilation.

[balmy condor]

Wdym ability types

[thorn fjord]

Like certain spells that require more human interaction

[shy pecan]

Like a channel?

[balmy condor]

I mean the imaginary robots are coded and edited and tweaked by the same people, the sims don’t just randomly spit info out

[thorn fjord]

You know how blizzard puts quests in that are meant to fuck up botters

[balmy condor]

But yeah close enough I guess

[strange python]

Alright I’m just trying to understand the terms here

[haughty lantern]

apparently this is what the ez-mine nodes are intended to do

[strange python]

So the guide writers are the ones who program the robots.

[balmy condor]

Theorycrafting just ends up being an umbrella term for the action of looking into improvements

[balmy condor]

Sometimes yes

[strange python]

I seeee

[thorn fjord]

Notice how we got a lot of those cooking type quests where the npc tells you to do shit

[strange python]

But wait you said it’s open sourced.

[thorn fjord]

That is for sure anti bot quest

[haughty lantern]

ahhh ye

[strange python]

So anyone could mess with it

[balmy condor]

Correct

[haughty lantern]

sort of like inserting a wow capcha into the game

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I think it’s pretty smart

[strange python]

What language is used for the script?

[woven shore]

Almost fixed Echos bug

[haughty lantern]

annoying as balls to go through, but definitely smart

[strange python]

do people bot story quests?

[thorn fjord]

The gold farmers prob do

[balmy condor]

The engine is written in c++, the instruction list for the sim itself (the apl) is similar to make or lua I guess but it’s mostly just cast if=list of conditions met

[thorn fjord]

Good old C++

[strange python]

Well I know the engine was in C++ and the scripts were LUA.

[thorn fjord]

My midterm was to make a calculator haha

[strange python]

Tbh I don’t know LUA. lol

I know some of C++

I know some of DM and python

[balmy condor]

It’s not really lua

The apl’s are kinda just their own interfacing language

But it’s hardly code

[strange python]

Ah I see

I’d have to look at it

I’m not the best programmer. I’m still learning.

I wanted to apply for a career at blizzard.

But I can’t just move to Irvine lol

[haughty lantern]

not trying to flex here, just curious, what's everyone's ilvl? i'm 586 and really i think that's the highest we can get it at this point no?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[strange python]

I’m 559.

[balmy condor]

If you went hard you’re like 580-583

[strange python]

Well I still have heroics to do and WQ

[abstract canopy]

Theres people 588-591

[haughty lantern]

i went so hard b/c i missed what questing felt ike back in df, i felt so underpowered so i craved the feeling of easy questing

586 is enough for me to tackle....MOST things and rares

i do miss being a BM hunter tho

but BM is just....so bad rn*

[strange python]

I’ve been working on Sojourner of ringing deeps. I need the other 2 zones also.

I did isle of dorn already

Truth be told. Never played hunter before

Didn’t appeal to me

[haughty lantern]

like sin rogue feels VERY good right now, but after 10+ years of wow, nothing comes close to BM hunter for world content

[strange python]

I started in Legion

Yall have played much longer than I have

And I still have lots to learn

[strange python]

I agree

I’m loving sin rogue

I boosted to 70 from level 1

Never played rogue before either

[normal otter]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[soft dew]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[royal python]

So given that sims are to be ignored cross spec, how do we decide what to play?

[soft dew]

does this mean we space our envenoms and try to clip them on pandemic window on st? or is that a dps loss since we are holding combo points

[violet talon]

Just play the one whose playstyle you like most?

[strange python]

Use envenom at 7 cp

[soft dew]

that was anything but what i asked

XD

[royal lantern]

5+ CP = finisher

you go up to 7CP when you play deathstalker for the capstone

[balmy condor]

Yes, you would hold on 5 or more cp to clip the buff, its not wasting any resources

[royal lantern]

otherwhise always 5+

[balmy condor]

Whatever fits the fights better

[royal lantern]

you only "lose" dmg when you overcap energy

[royal python]

I can play both dagger specs pretty well 3k rating+ mythic 6-7 bosses on current content - what's the sim relevance then

[royal lantern]

not by waiting a couple seconds

[soft dew]

yea i figued it just feel odd in the rotation, like ur sotimes waiting 2-3 secs for energy to clip envenom, is that normal or am i messing something up

[royal lantern]

i got CE on almost every single tier on many different world rankings

spec choice almost never matters in any way

[balmy condor]

That’s the core gameplay of assa yes

[strange python]

also if you drop a really cool weapon that isn’t a dagger i know outlaw has to use those main hand and subtlety can use them offhand

[soft dew]

gotcha

[royal lantern]

no, sub cant

like

its HARD trolling to do it

[soft dew]

ty for fast answer

[strange python]

So you’d envenom at 7 cp when you have DN? Otherwise finishers at 5 + cp

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim tangle]

what's DN

[strange python]

Darkest night

[royal python]

Play bfa sub 😄

[strange python]

It’s from Deathstalker

[royal lantern]

I MUST RESIST

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[strange python]

Ngl. DT + DTB, SD, IC is amazing

I run the hybrid build

[balmy condor]

Yellow if you don’t play fatebound this tier I’m log checking you bud

You can’t keep cosplaying outlaw and then not delivering

[strange python]

lol

fatebound for assassination doesn’t even make sense. you’re a master class murderer and infiltrator because you’re… lucky?

[green elk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

Every tier I open rankings and see an assa rogue named yellow bumping me down one slot, I’m mad!

[royal lantern]

none of the trees make thematical sense, deathstalker doesnt even have a theme

[haughty lantern]

fatebound definitely makes more sense for outlaw imo

[vestal wren]

luck is a universally good thing tho

[strange python]

Whispyr do you make the guides on rouge?

[waxen sandal]

Sims arent up to date right?

Cause i sim higher as HO outlaw, but NO way im doing more in dungeons then i am as sin atm

[balmy condor]

I write the wowhead and method guides for assa

[strange python]

Wow

[abstract canopy]

Whispyr needs to make the guides for every spec for every class. Literally goated

[balmy condor]

They are, dungeonslice just loves outlaw and always has

[strange python]

i know but why would someone who’s entire gimmick being how refined their skills are need luck and chaos on their side

[royal lantern]

give the man a break lol

[strange python]

Like I feel like I’m in the presence of greatness

[shy pecan]

Please no, dont' make him suffer having to write these things

[waxen oyster]

playable in uldir

[royal lantern]

• thats unrespectfull to other guide writers

[waxen sandal]

cause in reality, i feel i do ALOT more as sin atm, both single and on packs

[abstract canopy]

Damn right it is

[balmy condor]

Then play sin

[waxen sandal]

yeah but my guild tells me im stupid since outlaw sims so much higher in dungeon hah

[waxen oyster]

I’d probably be so depressed playing outlaw in cindermead

target cap

[robust axle]

Guild sounds stupid 🙂

[balmy condor]

Well tell your guild they’re idiots for being shackled to the whims of imaginary sim numbers

[distant plinth]

No one did the deez nuts joke? Shame

[waxen oyster]

Didnt warriors have a talent called DN

for much longer

[strange python]

if its a deez nuts joke i’m assassinating you and myself

[royal lantern]

ye but #assassination is a space filled with degenerates

[bronze pike]

its also a sapce filled

with

DN

[distant plinth]

Haha have you tested SM then?

[royal python]

If sims are not reliable through comparisons - how does BiS get announced

[bronze pike]

WRONG ONE

FUCK

[runic hinge]

They’re good for comparing gear

[haughty lantern]

hey @balmy condor do you have any suggestions for good passive trinkets besides eggsac? currently using the imperfect ascension serum but i don't like the cast time to activate. Was wondering if i could just keep an eye out for anything passive as i do world quests

[waxen oyster]

i mean sims are reliable within the same spec

[runic hinge]

Not specs on different fights

[strange python]

the orb calls to you

[royal lantern]

what has that too do with finding out the best gear

and BiS doesnt exist in 2024 really except on trinkets and obvious stuff like items with bonus dmg effects

[waxen oyster]

Realistically for the majority of players none of the rogue specs look that much behind the others.

That you can’t play at a non wf level

[haughty lantern]

i think i sold the orb on my rogue b/c i got it to 593 on my hunter and it was just not simming well....

[robust axle]

Just farm eggsac 🙂

[balmy condor]

Bro found out you can’t compare sims across specs and is having a crisis now

[haughty lantern]

already have eggsac, i want ANOTHER passive trinket

[vestal wren]

📣 This is an announcement, BIS is the gear that sims the highest for you on Raidbots

[haughty lantern]

just so i don't have to think

[strange python]

fool. you must ponder it better

[waxen oyster]

the threads trinket looks good

[robust axle]

Get Priory trinket, macro it into Deathmark and dont think

[waxen oyster]

if you have all 3 guys at renown 4

you can proc 3 stacks of the stat buff

[haughty lantern]

forgot priory trinket existed. thank. it will likely hold me over until i get a skardyn's from batol

[royal lantern]

uhm, its 2 guys and 1 girl

🤓

[robust axle]

Its very good yea

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor ayo

[haughty lantern]

i'm only at 4 with weaver, BUT i haven't done like ANY questing in ahj kahet

[balmy condor]

But you said cap

[waxen oyster]

yeah its like branch orbs

you get one spawn per proc for each member of the threads you have at least 4 with

[haughty lantern]

you mean like the pheromone trinket right?

[arctic socket]

it was from 4 hours ago

you forgot

about it

[waxen oyster]

yes

like a 2kish mainstat proc per stack

stacks to 3

[balmy condor]

I wasn’t awake 4 hours ago

I sent it last night

[arctic socket]

cap

[haughty lantern]

and at renown 11 i can get an upgraded (vet track?) version....

i will at least consider this

ty xiani ❤️

[arctic socket]

im also apparently on dalaran realm

[balmy condor]

Wdym apparently

[arctic socket]

i dont know how to see my realms but i checked

and it's dalaran

[bronze pike]

he didnt send me a friend request :(

[balmy condor]

💀

[balmy condor]

I don’t associate with ret

[waxen oyster]

ret players claim to be melee

while hitting you from 30yd

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor thankie

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[haughty lantern]

i very much how like......shitposty this channel/the rogue discord is

my favored terrain, if you will

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/this-cat-i-have-hired-this-cat-to-stare-at-you-hired-cat-cat-stare-gif-26392360

[balmy condor]

It’s either shitposty or I’m having a mental breakdown with wannabe m+ title-haver #37 complaining that he could’ve timed the key if only his tank let him restealth

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-german-flag-germany-trikot-gif-12722037627503073743

[balmy condor]

Or copy pasting the guide for people too lazy to read

Either or

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor whats our stat weights? c;

[bronze pike]

m+ brains are the worst

[waxen oyster]

”i read the guide”

[bronze pike]

across all specs

fr fr on god

[waxen oyster]

asks a question covered in the guide

[bronze pike]

gyat on them xalatoes cross my heart in ohio

[balmy condor]

First prio kill
Second prio you
Nvm in game

[waxen oyster]

i said m+ is brainrot

in bfa

got even worse

[arctic socket]

we up

[strange python]

Your mastery is op

[royal lantern]

~SL is where the m+ "community" went full degenerate

[strange python]

Aye I liked SL

[royal lantern]

and only got worse every single patch since then

[forest nacelle]

we compareing stats now?

[waxen oyster]

”i only do m+” just reads as “im cooked” to me

[bronze pike]

back then

we tanks had to balance defense and daamage equally to time kets

now people just do dogshit choices and actively makes themselves worse by 30% for double cheat

[royal lantern]

dont need to read that

they will combine "i only do m+" with "raiding is literally a crime against humanity and i shoudl get every single piece of gear i want on the maximum possible ilvl because i did a +11 now, which is equal with a mythic endboss!!!1111!!!"

[woven torrent]

how does the fan of knife combo generation works? it varies from 2-6 is it always random rng ?

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor so cani still get that wep enchant

kek

[cobalt sphinx]

What the fuck are you guys talking about

M+ is a great format

[royal lantern]

1cp + 1cp for each crit

[cobalt sphinx]

5 man, scaling difficulty

[royal lantern]

its ok

the community around it is 1 of the absolute worst in gaming

[strange python]

I agree

It’s wild

[abstract canopy]

It's great but only when the tank let's you restealth

Jk plz don't ban me

[royal lantern]

bunch of people that do the same dungeon for 16hours a day, failed it 30x, then are lucky and timed it once and start acting as if they are godlike players

[woven torrent]

@royal lantern so if i fan of knives and get 3 cp do i do it again or do i switch to mutilate for the sake of avoiding overcapping

[knotty nexus]

Wait... Isn't raiding trying the same boss for 16hrd

[royal lantern]

while at the same time have blizzard pandering to them like crazy, and acting as if blizzard is hating them

it would be hilarious if it was not so sad

[cobalt sphinx]

You could dumb down raiding just as much

[limber lion]

You always FoK in AoE

3+ targets always FoK for CP

Unless reapplying Mark or Spatter

[strange python]

I don’t overcap. I do ambush and garrote, rupter, garrote, rupter, and then fan and that gives me 5 cp to use on envenom

[royal lantern]

i like that im talking about the m+ COMMUNITY and instantly 2 people show up and talk as if i insulted the mode itself

[knotty nexus]

Nah I agree with u

[balmy condor]

Can’t trade cross realm

[arctic socket]

can do gold tho

[knotty nexus]

It's just there's better things to bring up lol

[balmy condor]

Can you do items?

[strange python]

I lowkey use mutilate as a filler to grain more cp

[arctic socket]

honestly

idk

lol

[waxen oyster]

imagine if you lost io

for key bricks

[limber lion]

In AoE that's simply incorrect

[knotty nexus]

Delete Ur char if key bricks

[robust axle]

MIght wanna CP first no?

[knotty nexus]

Hc m+

[limber lion]

CP?

[balmy condor]

Every “best player in the world” sitting at -7000io

[robust axle]

CT lmao sorry

[royal lantern]

remember that time during BfA where some people went crazy over "i dont want failed keys on my IO" and left after 1 wipe?

that was really close to that

[waxen oyster]

Also

[royal lantern]

like, the m+ playerbase really feels like the league of legends SoloQ community in a MMO

[runic hinge]

I never brick a key

[waxen oyster]

m+ title should not be account wide

[runic hinge]

(I don’t do key)

[strange python]

Nah my opener goes like this: Ambush, Garrote, Rupture, Garrote, Rupture, ER, Fan, Envenom. Then regular priority.

Works for me

[waxen oyster]

it encourages fotm

[cobalt sphinx]

It would be very cool if it were handed out per class too

[runic hinge]

One of my friends got m+ title on 4 different healers. He might be an insane person

One for each season that is

[royal lantern]

yeha, he is insane

close your windows at night

[waxen oyster]

yeah but again

[runic hinge]

Sham>pally>mwmonk>druid

[waxen oyster]

they only earned it on one class

that season

[robust axle]

I thought you were meant to CT after rupture/garrotes - But im probs just stupid

[runic hinge]

Yeah he’s degen af

[strange python]

What is CT?

[balmy condor]

You are

[knotty nexus]

Bro just likes healing the homies

[robust axle]

Crimson Tempest

[balmy condor]

Like with deathstalker you’d amb gar rup rup gar gar ct for example

[cobalt sphinx]

Your first rupture will give you max combo points depending on target count yeah

[strange python]

Oh yeah. I don’t really use CT. Only for ape

Aoe*

[balmy condor]

But wasn’t your opener an aoe opener

[limber lion]

Yeah which is what we're talking about...

[robust axle]

The opener you posted looks very much like an AoE opener

[strange python]

I thought my opener was for ST… I need to read the guide again.

[limber lion]

Hopefully you're not double garroting and rupturing in ST

[strange python]

I’m still new at sin

[limber lion]

That's giga giga bad

[strange python]

Yeah I am…

[limber lion]

Definitely ahould

[knotty nexus]

Hidden tech

[strange python]

I’m doing it for all

[limber lion]

Yeah

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[strange python]

Ugh

[cobalt sphinx]

does the apl refresh garrote at 6 seconds

[balmy condor]

Hopefully not

It’s not in pandemic until 5.4

[cobalt sphinx]

no i mean 6 seconds into combat

[knotty nexus]

That's a game tick bro

[strange python]

So it’s ambush garrote rupture mutilate slice er envenom?

[balmy condor]

Oh

Hopefully not but x1000

[limber lion]

Perfecto tech

[balmy condor]

That’s awful

[limber lion]

🤦

[strange python]

Whispyr teach me rogue plox

[limber lion]

Did we not learn anything from SoD

[strange python]

🙂

[limber lion]

He did

He wrote the guide

[balmy condor]

That’s what I have all the guides for

[robust axle]

Ambush Garrote Rupture Slice ER Envenom DM Shiv KB into rotaion then vanish Garotte when pandemic

[limber lion]

Literally read it

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[knotty nexus]

There's legit a 1.5hr vid with maplestory music too

[storm axle]

are you guys pooling energy for sang blades talent

[limber lion]

No

[strange python]

I’ll have to look at it again.

[agile wedge]

in s4 dragonflight, which talent was it, that gave us an ambushproc from time to time and is it gone? 😄

[balmy condor]

Blindside

It’s in the same spot

Does the exact same thing

No changes

[normal otter]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[gritty laurel]

don't you not want to pop vanish since it'll delay your second DM in fights >2min?

[limber lion]

Blindside

[hearty reef]

9 heads

lets go boys

[zealous crag]

Hey ! "echoing reprimand + deathstalker" it's a bug or really intended by Blibli ?

[robust axle]

What

[limber lion]

Normal IG pandemic rules there

[balmy condor]

Bug

[limber lion]

No forceful Vanishing

[agile wedge]

ty, i always need to translate due to no english game.

[robust axle]

You Vanish Garrote when you reach pandemic on your opening Garrote

[royal lantern]

i wish i could vanish from my responsibilitys

[strange python]

I see now. I’ve been doing it all wrong

I’m gonna practice it.

For some reason icyveins was better to read than wowhead.

[knotty nexus]

Oof

[limber lion]

Lol

[agile wedge]

oh did the talents change on wowprogress? i took one build from release and was wondering, why it does not proc anymore. its just not talented 😄

[strange python]

What?

[balmy condor]

Wowprogress?

[agile wedge]

mybad

[balmy condor]

Haven’t heard that page in years

[agile wedge]

wowhead ofc

[balmy condor]

Oh

[strange python]

Whispyr you write the icyveins one too?

[agile wedge]

your guide 😛

[balmy condor]

Well yeah the talents have changed with the expansion

[limber lion]

No

[royal lantern]

one of the multiple websites that is wow"inser another word"

[agile wedge]

no worries, it was just me being stupid

[balmy condor]

No, seli writes that one I just give him all the info

[strange python]

Now I feel like a total dick

X.x

[limber lion]

I mean doesn't matter really

The info is the same in all of em

Just use whichever you prefer

[balmy condor]

Except maxroll

Don’t use maxroll

[limber lion]

True

[royal lantern]

isnt seli writing guides for multiple games

[balmy condor]

Seli is gigachad yeh

Writing for multiple games and then also news and then also raider.io for race and mdi

[strange python]

For some reason I don’t have an icon next to my name even though I have one picked

Whyyyy

[waxen oyster]

Wtf is maxroll

[limber lion]

You have not

Pins for icons

[agile wedge]

in an mplus scenario, is momentum of despair a huge improvement over the other talent? maybe i got it wrong

[limber lion]

Streamer trash

[strange python]

Wym pins for icons.

[knotty nexus]

Came from arpg games

[balmy condor]

In any scenario its better

Follow the blood is perma shit

[strange python]

Oh?

[limber lion]

A wrbsite for guides for a bunch of games and most if not all writers are big streamera

[strange python]

There we go cool

[runic hinge]

Plus AI stolen content

[strange python]

Serrated is goated

[limber lion]

Not necessarily super knowledgeble individuals

[knotty nexus]

Sponsor all the d4 Poe and lost arm streamers

[limber lion]

That too

Big viewerahip and ChatGPT

[arctic crown]

!addons