assassination

[royal lantern]

yeha, but AUTO ATTACK DAMAGE

[versed mica]

For this trinket, do we want the mastery or the damage hit? Assuming mastery

[gusty mirage]

Auto attack P L A G U E damage*

[royal lantern]

wait, i got it

deathstalker = undead faction

undead = vanilla wow Rogue stuff

vanilla wow = 90% you do is auto hits

[royal lantern]

i cracked the code

[gusty mirage]

[cunning basin]

I think you just brained harder than anyone has ever brained

[gusty mirage]

He just brained harder than whoever came up with the entire hero tree too

[cunning basin]

[robust river]

Anima combo points, does it matter what you use them on as long as you get full value? Like, I'm fine to throw a rupture with them if pandemic ready?

[hidden walrus]

!wa

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[royal lantern]

you just use them like you would use any other finisher at that moment

if that would mean refreshing rupture, you do it

[robust river]

Sweet. I keep throwing them with Envenom out of habit (partly cause I didn't read what it did properly) 😄

[steel parcel]

Have they fixed echoing reprimand not working with deathstalker mark?

[royal lantern]

no

[grand trail]

That never gonna get fixed

[slate crown]

yeah

[nimble hollow]

New to rogue what’s the standard rotation when doing dungeons ?

[clever sapphire]

spread garrote, spread rupture, keep up crimson tempest, do your ST rota on big mob

[royal lantern]

and spread the love

[pliant remnant]

RIP in piss FoK

[nimble hollow]

What’s ST , sorry learning rogue from scratch haha

[pliant remnant]

Single target

[nimble hollow]

Is slice and dice never used

[pseudo nimbus]

Probably just read through the faq https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856136418170896404

[nimble hollow]

Ooh alright

[pliant remnant]

Yeh, better look at the rotation guide and then ask if something confuses you or summin.

[clever sapphire]

or watch whispyrs video regarding m+

the guy did a full 1:30 long video about m+ where he covers like everything

[nimble hollow]

Will do thanks

[clever sapphire]

is that another bleed? sign me up for even more sudden demise value

[arctic socket]

Just make sure never to ask for stat weights or complain about not being able to stealth In m+

[clever sapphire]

i just leave party if tank keeps chaining

problem solved

[pliant remnant]

And then get a nice, juicy 30 minute deserter debuff

[clever sapphire]

i once got a deserter debuff because i got put into a group that just disbanded and i had to leave party since i was alone

like wth blizzard

[pliant remnant]

[grim jay]

Couldve just waited for 4 new people

Idk

Deserved

[clever sapphire]

how should i have known i would get the debuff

blizzard move smh

[grim jay]

Thats what every deserter would say

[pliant remnant]

[clever sapphire]

[manic coral]

Can we assume that Echo not working with Darkest Night is intended since it hasn't been hotfixed yet?

[grim jay]

No

We shouldnt assume anything at this point

Except that tuning and fixes arent done

[manic coral]

Cheers

[lavish hazel]

What is the other trinket we can play instead of raid one

[cunning basin]

I personally like to assume that some number of current bugs will still exist when the heat death of the universe occurs

I think that's a safe assumption

[subtle tundra]

one that drops from a dungeon or maybe one thats is not from a dungeon and not from a raid possibly

[grim jay]

So the wq on use with 1.5s cast time

[pliant remnant]

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

could be possible, but what if it also drops from raid that one

so you cant use it, cause its from raid

[grim jay]

Dang

[royal lantern]

mate, its #assassination

its a STD

[clever sapphire]

pog so its a burn also

[royal lantern]

eranog ring value

[clever sapphire]

thats almost like a plague, will that work with deathstalker?

[lavish hazel]

Which one from dungeon I think I read something about the build with 2x VV

[grim jay]

[sharp viper]

still waiting for ER deathmark fix 😦

[clever sapphire]

just flip a coin

and call it a day

[subtle tundra]

yea the one thats not from a raid, but from a dungeon and is pretty good

[pliant remnant]

This is going to be the internet in a couple years.

[subtle tundra]

this message might be readable in 25 seconds from now aswell

[lavish hazel]

And what is the effect lmao I’m sorry for this harassment

[robust river]

Just to check I understand properly, ER bug is that anima combo points don't count as a 7CP reset on DMark/DNight?

[runic terrace]

The one from Boralus if I'm not mistaken

[lavish hazel]

And then no use ??

[pliant remnant]

What is the effect, Varas?

Is the effect good?

[subtle tundra]

makes you do more damage when you use it

[lavish hazel]

It’s a 2min ?

[pliant remnant]

[lavish hazel]

From which dungeon lmao

[grim jay]

The bugs are in the pins

All of them

Or most of them atleast

[subtle tundra]

lol sorry dude ive been trolling
the bis trinkets that arent from raid arent available rn, its from past dungeons

[robust river]

Foudn thanks

Do we know if sims account for the bugs? Or do they currently assume ER works properly with DM/DN?

[subtle tundra]

grim batol, 2min cd and siege of boralus passive

[runic terrace]

They will be in S1, not yet though

[lavish hazel]

Noooo I know but when the season starts lol

[lavish hazel]

Thxxxx a lot

[royal lantern]

yes

[grim jay]

I wonder if I'll get the ara ara balleggsac today

[clever sapphire]

i got it today and then disenchanted it just to trigger the 2 people in the group who wanted it

[grim jay]

Based

Id do the same in that case

[clever sapphire]

then i restored it because i realised i still needed a 2nd trinket

i mean one of the guys asked nicely, the outlaw rogue just kept spam trading me

[royal lantern]

OF FUCKING COURSE

[subtle tundra]

YES MAN I CANT LIVE IF I DONT GET THIS TRINKET FROM A HEROIC DUNGEON

[pliant remnant]

god outlaw rogues are just the worst

It's like a piss-stained Havoc player

[grim jay]

[kind forge]

Holy

[clever sapphire]

its funny because its true, also he was doing healer dps in the hc dungeon

it was just a funny experience

[subtle tundra]

based

keep spitting

[pliant remnant]

uhhh

[subtle tundra]

its the loser version of the fury warrior

[pliant remnant]

Early access bad

[subtle tundra]

no... i mean outlaw slander

[pliant remnant]

Kinda real

[grim jay]

@brave gyro

Is it bad?

[grim jay]

Yeah if you wanna be a fury but dont have enough hair on your chest and your biceps is below the threshold

[robust river]

Our rotation, outside of applying more poisons pre fight, doesn't change between the M+ DSMark Bleed vs Hybrid builds on wowhead right? I don't see anything in the rotation page that suggests it would

[arctic socket]

Hit 482 last night

[brave gyro]

idk the context

[slim kindle]

Imagine using tiny daggers ew

[grim jay]

He said early access is bad

So I thought I'd ping an expert

[brave gyro]

water is wet

[arctic socket]

Early access was sick

[royal lantern]

same gameplay, yes

the builds just shift your dmg around

[arctic socket]

Blizzard really did say fuck the “poor” though

[royal lantern]

why

[grim jay]

Is water wet or does water only make the things it touches wet?

[arctic socket]

With the leveling

[royal lantern]

bro

stuff still dies in seconds lol

[clever sapphire]

tbh bosses die like 5 seconds later than before

its nothing

[arctic socket]

Not near as bad

[royal lantern]

you need like, 1more ability lol

[pliant remnant]

Damn bro that's sick, how's Amirdrassil btw?

[royal lantern]

legit nothing changed

[arctic socket]

582

[pliant remnant]

[arctic socket]

Idk if it did or didn’t I just saw a rage post by them

And laughed

[clever sapphire]

bosses take like 5-10 seconds more than before

so nothing changed really

[grim jay]

Tira said 70-80 on alts now takes 4h instead of 2

[cerulean walrus]

Classic Ara-Kara leavers

[clever sapphire]

took me 2 days to lvl 70 to 80 because i fell asleep twice

[cerulean walrus]

3/5 people leaving

[pallid solstice]

hey guys, are there any vods of an assa rogue beta testing the raid?

[clever sapphire]

id assume whispyr has videos on his youtube

[arctic socket]

Become one of them

[cerulean walrus]

Hell no

Because I am an ethical gamer

I am better than them

[pallid solstice]

thanks

[brisk pulsar]

@balmy condor howd you get those daggers?

[clever sapphire]

do it like me, loot the trinket, say no to everyone wanting it, disenchant it in front of their eyes

[arctic socket]

So do you have the egg

[cerulean walrus]

Absolutely true disenchant the shit

Leave

And then item restore

[unkempt stump]

Sometimes when bosses take longer than my CDs are running - I get energy starving, am I doing my rotations wrong?

I am trying to follow instructions which are on icy veins

[clever sapphire]

thats the moment you either use vanish to refresh your shit or you start spreading rupture

[robust river]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[clever sapphire]

ah bosses

man im blind

ignore what i said

[royal lantern]

i always do

idk what i replied to

[clever sapphire]

its fine neither do i

[pliant remnant]

Who the fuck are you talking to, Tryan?

[arctic socket]

He doesn’t know

[brisk pulsar]

anyone know how to get those ancient forged daggers people are running atm?

[grim jay]

You really ping him for shitty daggers you can just get any dagger, they are all equally good

[pliant remnant]

It's the second time he's been pinged for them as well

[arctic socket]

Screenshot the ones ur talking about about

[grim jay]

Take any heroic dagger and upgrade it

Done

[arctic socket]

What’s whispyrs armory

Wanna see how bad he’s slackin

[grim jay]

He posted a pic before

[viscid harness]

How are you dealing with stuff that randomly sends you out of stealth?

like when you are gatering mobs and a random chain lightning takes you out of stealth

[royal lantern]

suck it up and curse blizzard

[arctic socket]

Where

[royal lantern]

nothing else you can do

[arctic socket]

[viscid harness]

😦

sadge

[grim jay]

Somewhere in the chat

[viscid harness]

feels kinda bad to not have any way to apply mark

[arctic socket]

Fok tab rupture

Vanish ambush if you need mark lmao

[viscid harness]

yeah once every 2 min

[arctic socket]

But you should have it up

[grim jay]

Pretty irrelevant open world

[onyx rock]

Vanish 🤷‍♀️

[shrewd night]

[arctic socket]

You keep the buff for 30 seconds

[shrewd night]

Someone said a nono word

[pliant remnant]

[viscid harness]

guess it's just the hc routes people take right now that's horrible. All the gauntlets stacking mobs

[grim jay]

Outlaw was mentioned quite some time ago

[cerulean walrus]

Delete Outlaw

[arctic socket]

Bring back combat

[pliant remnant]

outl*w

[arctic socket]

You get used to it after a little while

[cerulean walrus]

I can't wait to queue into Ara Kara again and have half the dungeon leave for a fucking dook trinket they'll replace in a week

[grim jay]

Its Ara Ara

[cerulean walrus]

Real

[viscid harness]

ara-kara between the hanging spiders are horrible, Getting charged out of stealth before 1st spider so using vanish, and then I either have to refresh on a random mob running to 2nd spider or say fuck it

[pliant remnant]

I cancelled my 37 minute queue and now am sitting on an 8 minute queue

[arctic socket]

You don’t replace that little pog trinket until you get it in mythic+

[pliant remnant]

I can't wait to queue into anything

[viscid harness]

guess it's better to just take the L

[pliant remnant]

[hollow river]

[grim jay]

Holy

NoTrickz in this channel

[clever sapphire]

im just not playing, i do the weekly quest thingy and log off

[grim jay]

[cerulean walrus]

I'll still never forgive the loss of my beloved Slice and Dice badge

[unkempt stump]

Is it the ballsack trinket?

[cerulean walrus]

Gone, but never forgotten

[clever sapphire]

i will get my gear in m0 or whatever

[pliant remnant]

Based

[grizzled osprey]

!addon

[pliant remnant]

I do stuff on side monitors, but I'm about to give up

cba

[royal lantern]

!wa

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[arctic socket]

Ara~ara egg will forever be bis

[royal lantern]

that one?

[hollow river]

someone said a nono word

[royal lantern]

filter hit?

oof

[clever sapphire]

i mean hc dungeons arent even the best gearing option apparently

[royal lantern]

cringe

[arctic socket]

What is

[clever sapphire]

i have a friend thats 585 ilvl and he only did 1 dungeon

[shrewd night]

We love filter hits. Big brother watching and all that.

[hollow river]

[cerulean walrus]

Shiennar you know you get high off that shit

[royal lantern]

be lucky with WQ rewards

[cerulean walrus]

You love a good filter hit

[royal lantern]

its like catnip for him

[cerulean walrus]

You dirty dog Feral druid

[clever sapphire]

i dunno, he told me to do world quests and craft 590 gear since that crest is useless after m0 anyways

[grim jay]

My internet is so slow, I wouldnt notice any filter hits

[cerulean walrus]

Meownar stonks to the moon

[arctic socket]

That’s actually not to bad

Shame it would take a lot of gold

[clever sapphire]

any1 know if feral is fun currently? might be the next char i level since i got nothing better to do

[pliant remnant]

No, Feral is universally unfun

[shrewd night]

[clever sapphire]

was exactly my point, also AH down so its whatever

[pliant remnant]

There is no person that could possibly find Feral fun

[shrewd night]

Brave.

[rotund oak]

it wasnt me now

ha!

[clever sapphire]

feral is the closest thing to assa rogue

[rotund oak]

tricked ya for good

[clever sapphire]

in my head atleast

[grim jay]

Where is Owl btw? I miss your conversions

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1271336768624394272/theorb.mp4?ex=66d2a7a1&is=66d15621&hm=e4238f8b9e8e45a32b1095776334d5b5a09e8e4c945c28e3f9e5adc3fdc5de54&

[cerulean walrus]

YOU SIR

[grim jay]

Meownar ptsd

Was about to write smth

But it hit hard

[cerulean walrus]

Meownar deep dickin that damage fr

Meow meow and all that

[shrewd night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpiGrazJKJQ

[arctic socket]

Bro just got a watermelon from McDonald’s

I’m jealous

[grim jay]

McD could even make a watermelon unhealthy

Would handle with care

[arctic socket]

Something got deleted

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah that was nothing

Don't worry about it

[rare jackal]

anyone have a huge deathstalker mark weakaura?

keep forgetting to apply it lol

[arctic socket]

Won’t lie I just press ambush one time and pray I keep it in heroic dungeons

[grim jay]

Whispyrs pack has a shiny reminder

[mystic vessel]

hi, I've read a couple of times that fatebound is now better for m+. The wowhead guide shows ds as better tho

[cerulean walrus]

We love Whispyr's pack

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah old news DS everywhere

[still remnant]

is Fatebound better? or what I'm confused

[grim jay]

Where did you hear those blasphemous things?

[cerulean walrus]

Coinflipping stupid

[unkempt stump]

Maybe a noobie question but in the rotation why do we cast garrote twice? I dont understand the answer that is written (not English native)

Also on AOE do you cast garrote twice on every mob?

[nimble zinc]

hi i'm assuming this is bis for assa?

[south token]

do you think deathstalker's mark/echoing reprimand bug will be fixed before season1?

[nimble zinc]

tbh, I wish deathstalker's mark worked the same as reaper's mark for DK.

[spice surge]

The nature damage part isnt overly relevant, but yes, its a ring that has extra damage without a cost so its good

[nimble zinc]

yeah i wonder what % of overall dps it adds, it sounds like it would proc a lot for assa

[spice surge]

like 1%

It doesnt do much more as assa

[nimble zinc]

ah okay, so similar to diurna's ring

[urban plinth]

Kyrian sanctum bonus dps

what covenant did you guys choose?

[bright dew]

True

[strange python]

https://wago.io/oEgXLFhtk

[rare jackal]

thanks boo

[strange python]

guys I'm willing to make my dots look bigger on mobs how may I adjust this? I have platerr also but could not figure out

[eager vigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[nova aspen]

^ try whispyr's profile plater

[strange python]

ty

[maiden sierra]

Do we have bis gear sims?

[junior yoke]

So the deathstalker mark is only applied from ambush not mut?

[grim jay]

No

[junior yoke]

Wtf 😄

[grim jay]

Yes

[spice surge]

Ambush from stealth

[maiden sierra]

You use ambush once

Then evenome applies it

[junior yoke]

Yeah

Well

Will try fatebound

Or whatever is called

The coin flip guy

[spring cradle]

Fatebound or Deathstalker) for mpuls?

[maiden sierra]

Deathstalker in everything

Its ahead by good 3%

[junior yoke]

Is that boruto?

[spring cradle]

Yeah

[junior yoke]

Oh rly? Is it?

Thought fate was around 1% better

[nova aspen]

fatebound is ahead in aoe

but deathstalker has way more prio damage

which is typically more important

[junior yoke]

Yay

Okay

Ty

[nova aspen]

personally im fatebound right now for these heroics

[junior yoke]

It just doesn’t feel that good to play desthstalker (for me at least sorry deathstalker lovers)

[nova aspen]

no need to apologize

i also macro coldblood into envenom

its pretty lazy gameplay for minor dps loss

[twin forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[twin hull]

what darkmoon card should i buy for heroics? and what weapon enchant atm..like apart from authority of the depths

[kind forge]

authority of the depths is not even available right now

[grim jay]

For heroics, none

[nova aspen]

i am using rank 1 storms

[twin hull]

i know but..all the guides suggest that..

no beggar option for weapon enchants

[twin hull]

stormriders fury?

[nova aspen]

i think its called authority of the storms

cant remember, not online

[earnest canopy]

im realy pissed off that ''echoing repirmand'' not working with deathmark new talents

thats so fking stupid
and deathmark generaly feel so buggy

[nova aspen]

does like cleave nature damage

[earnest canopy]

many times its not even working

im the only 1 whos expirencing that?

[lucid rune]

In dungeon spams, is still worth spreading rupture beyond IC ones?

Just leveling atm

[nova aspen]

no

5-6 ruptures for scent of blood then crimson tempest and spatter envenoms

[clever sapphire]

during leveling it is

you dont even get to spatter

[grim jay]

Idk why it in general would feel buggy

Er aside

[clever sapphire]

so might as well go for SD value

[lucid rune]

Sanguine?

[clever sapphire]

sudden demise

[lucid rune]

Oops that’s what I meant

[clever sapphire]

bottom right capstone

[earnest canopy]

somthims its not triggering when ambushing

[nova aspen]

i always get to spatter cuz my groups suck

[earnest canopy]

happend to me couple of times

[clever sapphire]

its very rare that during leveling a mob lives long enough for spatter to work

[earnest canopy]

and the need to use it on max combo point when you have 7

[clever sapphire]

i just spread bleeds and run along the tank and got big sudden demise numbers

[earnest canopy]

feels like they forcing you to go blushht rotation

[nova aspen]

oh he is leveling

i thought he meant heroic dungeon spam

[grim jay]

Thats pretty unlikely. Never heard about that and it never happened to me either when I ambushed from stealth

[clever sapphire]

aye you did my mistake and didnt read fully, been there, done that

[nova aspen]

[faint path]

good with ara-kara?

[grim jay]

Ara ara *

[nova aspen]

ascend

[grim jay]

You only ascend if you listen to some ara ara compilation through out the whole dungeon every time

[lucid rune]

Does SD mean it’s good to full cp rupture instead of spreading smaller ones so you can spatter?

[spice surge]

No

You dont want to spread small ruptures anyway

[earnest canopy]

@grim jay another thing is take this for example

death mark has been proc after 3 stacks and finisher timer is runing from the adds before the boss

now while you use ambush as an oppener on the boss after reaching him it wont refresh the dauration of the timer
so in that secnario i started with ambush but untill i got to the time im using envanum on full combo points the buff is already lost and i dont have a way to recast it because for exmp vanish is on cd

[clear nexus]

should i spend weathered harbringer crests

[earnest canopy]

sorrry for the brighness its because of the HDR

[spice surge]

You dont need to ambush as you already have the capstone

[grim jay]

I cant open pics because my internet is bad, but if there is enough downtime for the capstone to drop, you will have enough time to restealth and if you dont have enough time to restealth you should be able to play the capstone in return

[earnest canopy]

yes but what happend if you kill adds and ur capstone is 6 seconds left?

you will lose deathmark complitly

[spice surge]

Then you ambush

?

[earnest canopy]

but boss already started

and u have 6 seconds left

[spice surge]

What

[earnest canopy]

let me explain again

[spice surge]

If you ambush the boss

You apply the marks to it

That has nothing to do with the capstone buff

[earnest canopy]

no its not!!

that what im saying

let me show you the vid

[nova aspen]

🐛

[naive pier]

shouldnt i like vanish and then garrot after deathmark since it duplicates the bleeds. and like make this a priority instead of waiting for garrot to reach like 6 seconds and then apply it and there is little time lkeft on deathmark

[floral vale]

I use a cancelaura macro for those situations

Cancel darkest night and ambush

[grim jay]

You already have the improved garrote on the target if you talk about the opener

[spice surge]

It duplicates bleeds already on the target too

[naive pier]

are you sure if bleeds already existing they will take affect?

[grim jay]

Yes

[spice surge]

Yes

[naive pier]

guz it says applied bleeds while marked

[spice surge]

No

[grim jay]

It dynamically copies what the target has at any damage instance

[naive pier]

what do you think the reason that its prefered theoraticlly to envom before deathmark ?

[high siren]

do we just give up maintening garrote on 4-5+ targets scenario ?

[earnest canopy]

If you come with capstone on you before boss and the timer is almost gone but they started the boss

You wont have time to refresh deathmark

[spice surge]

Kingsbane

[grim jay]

Poison application buff lasting long enough through your sequence before you envenom again.

[teal dome]

In m+ for scent of blood, firstly should I be tab target switching to apply ruptures and garrotes and 2ndly how many combo points should each be cast on to get up the 5 ruptures for sob?

[grim jay]

After the IC spread yes

[high siren]

alright !

[grim jay]

Just garrote your main target

[earnest canopy]

Can u sand me the macro brother
Untill blizzard will fix theyr sht

[agile wedge]

so just to get the new playstyle right. its only possible to apply the deathstalkermark via ambush or via spending 7 cp? no other way?

[kind forge]

but you have 18seconds left as you pull the boss ?

[earnest canopy]

and what if i had 7seconds left?

you will wast all your energy on 7 combo envenum oppener and lose all your bleed openers?

thats not optimal way to play

ambush 100% need to extend the duration of capstone in order to prevant that

[grim jay]

The 7cp only if you applied it once with ambush

[grim jay]

All your energy bcs you need to mut 2 more times before you rupture for the unlikely case you try to fabricate

[earnest canopy]

thats ambush+ x2 mutilates + envanum >> and then x3 mulitalts for rapture

thats more then 7gcds to get repture up

huge dps lost

and energy lost

[kind forge]

You won’t loose „all your bleed openers“

[royal lantern]

i mean, 2x mut is 100energy

thats quiet a bit

[grim jay]

Its garrote muti muti envenom muti muti at worst

[grim jay]

How much max energy do you have

[royal lantern]

irl 0

[grim jay]

And the situation is kinda one in a million to begin with

[earnest canopy]

you remmber that reapture need to be up in order for you to recover energy faster

all this combo will put you below 20% energy

thats means you must spand tea

[grim jay]

Yeah and thats the cast after that

And no it doesnt

[earnest canopy]

thats just lazy work by blizzard

im sure its not intended

[ashen rover]

I feel that

[spice surge]

Have other people experienced this bug

[grim jay]

Idk you are trying to explain an issue thats so rare that you probably are the only person to have ever experienced it if it occurs

[spice surge]

Or is it just this guy

[grim jay]

This guy

[spice surge]

Because for me when i ambush it applies the mark

[grim jay]

I guess

[spice surge]

100% of the time

[grim jay]

Same

[spice surge]

Regardless of darkest night or not

[earnest canopy]

you know when you see somthing you cant unsee it?

im sure now you will see that yourslef

more often

[royal lantern]

i had it not applied once

[spice surge]

No

[verbal blaze]

how good is signet of the priory? it seems like it'd be one of the stronger ones at least for heroic gearing phase

[royal lantern]

"heroic gearing phase" is the biggest meme in the world

[grim jay]

The only explanation I might see is him playing with another rogue and it really is fucky again with 2 deathstalkers, or he has blindside and thinks that should apply the mark (cant watch his videos/pics)

[spice surge]

Its alright, but you cant get it higher than heroic dungeon ilvl so

[teal dome]

Looking at whispyr guide on wow head for aoe. Do you tab target garrotte and rupture on multiple targets to get scent of blood? Does say anything or do you just let indiscriminate carnage do it

[minor swift]

do you guys use any macro on assa? i dont feel like there is any i should really use ^^

[grim jay]

Nope

[verbal blaze]

is bis all crafted then?

[earnest canopy]

aoe >ambush > x2 garrot >x2 rapture > fan of knifes untill 5+ points then crimson > mutilate > snd

[raven panther]

Mouse over on garrote rupture can be really usefull in AOE when pack will be longer. To stay on main target but just refreshing dots

[spice surge]

Sure but it doesnt really matter

You'll be replacing it with m0 loot anyway

[teal dome]

This for are rqp?

[verbal blaze]

true just curious

[earnest canopy]

use abilitys on mouse pointer much easyer then tab targeting

just hold left mouse button when you wanna go for tab target

[teal dome]

Ok grand with this for ruptures are just casting 1 combo point ruptures on multi targets to spread bleeds ?

[grim jay]

You never cast low Cp finishers ever

[earnest canopy]

when you x2 garrot or ratpure in stealth its will automaitly spread to mobs that dosnt have beleeds on them
but do it only if you have 4+ mobs

[raven panther]

if you couldn't stealth and have no energy you need to, else never

[grim jay]

Even then you dont

And you missplayed if you have no energy on a new pack

Majorly

[teal dome]

So your saying with your opener on main target carnage should spread enough with double garrotte ruptures to get you enough spread bleeds ?

[raven panther]

even in boss fight, when I am really low energy no tea left, if a random mob spawn and I know he isgonna get killed soon, I drop a rupture or garrot asap on him to regain big energy when he dies

[grim jay]

You can comfortably stay on your main target until more than 9 targets and spread without changing target

[spice surge]

Carnage applies bleeds to your target and 2 other targets

So if you dont swap youll apply 5 total bleeds with 2 casts

If you do swap youll apply 6 total bleeds with 2 casts

[minor swift]

tbf i usually just spam fan of knives and crimson tempest in aoe's haha

and ocassionaly rupture

[teal dome]

Ok that's basically what I wanted to know as wasn't sure if you had to peel off main target to spread manual ruptures and garrotes to optimise scent of blood

[spice surge]

Spamming CT does nothing

[crisp walrus]

Just be wary of ur first carnage rupture giving you full combo points because of bone spike

[spice surge]

Its just a dot, it doesnt do any damage when you cast it

[crisp walrus]

So best is to open with ambush > garrote > double rupture > garrote > mutilate > tempest

[earnest canopy]

i need to make plater that will show only bleeds debuffs on mobs so its will be easyer to spot and choose mobs that dsont have it on them

[crisp walrus]

Assuming I already have snd up

[minor swift]

refreshing it* while its up i do envenom

[grim jay]

Would be a gain on 10+ if you do it perfectly, which probably isnt the case anyways, so you can just take a small L and stay on main target even on that target count, however rare it is

You wanna saturate energy and Max scent stacks only anyways

With rupture

[crisp walrus]

I have garrote, rupture and the mark as special buffs in plater, makes them show up to the right of the name plates instead of above with all the other debuffs

Makes it waaay easier to track, really recommend it

[earnest canopy]

nice

can you share the string?

[teal dome]

Ok cool I appreciate that I'm about start playing assassination so want to build good habits as I practice rather than correcting bad ones half way through

[crisp walrus]

not sure how to do that lol let me check

[grim jay]

I highly advise you to watch whispyrs m+ Video if you got the time, its 1.5h long

[earnest canopy]

/plater > profile > share profile

then wait untill it load the code

[crisp walrus]

yeye on it

[teal dome]

Yeah I'll watch it for sure. Watched his stream in heroics last night but again heroics die so fast it just is meh

[crisp walrus]

I'll send u in DM, dont wanna ruin the chat 4 ppl

[dense cove]

I’m not at my computer right now so I cannot check, but what is the talent that gives you energy back when a target dies with a rupture still on them?

[earnest canopy]

❤️

[minor swift]

me too please :D

[crisp walrus]

2000 character limit lol

[earnest canopy]

rip

can u split it?

[crisp walrus]

one sec

I'll just throw it in a google docs

[spice surge]

I'd recommend just removing all other debuffs

[crisp walrus]

I wanna see other debuffs but yeah u can do that

[feral mason]

ui bloat

[minor swift]

can u send me the docs aswell :D

[feral mason]

wouldnt recommend using that

[earnest canopy]

i had realy good plater for DF and made clean install then lost it without backup feels bad...

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[earnest canopy]

with class colors importent inturrpts and sht

[spice surge]

Has a bunch of them

[nova aspen]

whispyr's combined his own with quazii's and im lovin it

i think im still using zac's WA pack

he should add it to this one too instead of just outlaw's

[formal pasture]

it looks good and all but i just cant use it in practice

too many colors too much bling bling

i get epileptic

[crisp walrus]

Does anyone know if the lack of interaction between echoing reprimand and deathstalker is bugged or if it's just intended to be that way?

[spice surge]

Its bugged

[crisp walrus]

Cause it feels really shit to just ignore reprimand in order to get to 7 cp

[crisp pine]

It'd be so cringe if that was intended

[crisp walrus]

yeah makes sense

hopefully it'll get fixed before season 1

Feels awful at the minute

[faint path]

I crafted generally haste mastery due to deathstalker because we are getting crit from there is it mistake ? 😄

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[minor swift]

^how to simulate? :D

[earnest remnant]

Pretty sure wowhead has a guide as to how simming works

[minor swift]

tyty

[oak eagle]

What does the >= mean? That mastery is only a tad better than Haste?

[grim jay]

Yes overall, but the last point is the important one

[oak eagle]

Yeah i know the last point is the important one, just always see that when looking at stats for classes that Im learning, and never actually figured it out till now.

[minor swift]

honestly is Improved Garrote even that good^ not better to take like a point in poison bomb

[earnest remnant]

imp garrote

very good

[oak eagle]

imp garrote

=

big dot

[severe kelp]

Think how often you use garrote in a dungeon

https://tenor.com/view/think-pooh-winnie-the-pooh-thinking-brain-gif-17755939

[oak eagle]

and it gets doubled when using deathmark which mean bigger dot, and also youre typically starting every pack from stealth, which is big dot every pack

[minor swift]

while stealthed

[oak eagle]

"and for 6 seconds after stealth"

[severe kelp]

x2 Vanish too, and after coming out of stealth for 6sec

[oak eagle]

like i said, youre getting a restealth between packs most every pack

[grim jay]

You dont play 2nd vanish

If that is what you tried to imply

With the x2

[severe kelp]

I personally do with pug, they like to chain a lot

[grim jay]

Good chaining is good

2nd vanish is bad

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[severe kelp]

Personal preference

[dapper cradle]

zac's outlaw pack is dangerously based

whispyr's sin one is goated tho

[nova aspen]

[rocky sluice]

what weapon enchantment should we temporaliry use? since i'm not seeing Authority of the Depths in the AH yet

[earnest remnant]

mine is goated (i dont have one)

[spice surge]

It drops from the raid, so ye its not gonna be available

[dapper cradle]

i wanna kiss you so bad bro

[spice surge]

But id suggest just anything thats cheap, you'll be replacing the dagger soon anyway

[earnest remnant]

[spice surge]

And the difference between the stat enchants aint that big, just having one is the main thing

[rocky sluice]

thanks guys

[nova aspen]

trash panda avatar is based

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-jumping-raccoonjumping-gif-460805335907106932

[dapper cradle]

based on what?

[nova aspen]

idk its just based

i also am an enjoyer of trash pandas

[dapper cradle]

they're cute af bro

[arctic socket]

Did I just want a raccoon commit uh

[dapper cradle]

owari da

[nova aspen]

raccoon wants to fly

i say let him fly!

[grim jay]

Thats the horny no jutsu we practice in here

[earnest remnant]

thief

[arctic socket]

@earnest remnant what trinkets u rocking

[earnest remnant]

w/e happend to drop

i dont remember

[arctic socket]

Oh shittt

He blasting

You 600ilvl?

[earnest remnant]

no

[shell goblet]

hi everybody, i'm new to rogue and especially assa. i am not sure which build to go for generel open world content and heroics where everything dies super fast. i have the wowhead build "bleed" build in right now. is this fine or would you suggest something different?

[arctic socket]

Is it troll to spark craft some boots?

[dapper cradle]

how do you even get 600 rn?

[arctic socket]

Full 590 crafted gear I guess

Plus some

[dapper cradle]

i don't think that'd be enough

you'd need a lot of 600+ gear to average it up to 600

[vale shore]

Enough to get to 590... yeah

[minor swift]

but i mean

i feel like i use envenom 10x stealth garrote

in packs surely it should deal more dmg?

[vale shore]

Do you have indiscriminate carnage?

[nova aspen]

personally i've been using the hybrid build for everything

[minor swift]

nope*

[vale shore]

In packs with more than 3 you have to garrots and rupture twice to get it spread. Damage kicks in when you have that set up

[oak eagle]

..........................

[next quarry]

Anyone else getting caustic splatter bug? Its not working this dungeon

[minor swift]

:p

[shell goblet]

alright. i just wasnt sure if that ones ideal because things die too quick to make real use of kingsbane and the added poison dmg no?

[vale shore]

Garrote and rupture do their damage by spreading.

[solid venture]

i never pop kingsbane or deathmark in heroics unless on bosses

its not worth using it on trash

[split cipher]

^

[nova aspen]

i find quite a few uses for kingsbane like in delves or rare spawns or bosses in heroics

[spice surge]

Did your deadly poison run out?

[vale shore]

Trash is most of where you make your money in dungeons

[nova aspen]

i am also fatebound and macro coldblood into envenom, very simple gameplay

i plan to switch back to deathstalker when ER bug is fixed

[vale shore]

Spreading those bleeds also gives you energy

[nova aspen]

[next quarry]

the apply talent thing was bugged, managed to fix it by relogging. Thanks anyway 😛

[shell goblet]

so would you guys play the "hybrid" build or rather stay an the "bleed" build i am on now

[wild star]

Looking for help with rotation on AOE

anyone can help? 😄

[grim jay]

Did you check the guide or whispyrs youtube Video?

[grim jay]

Hybrid

[rotund jackal]

Random question maybe. But how are you going to use your first spark?

[nova aspen]

at the end of the day as long as u have IC and SD talented u can't really go wrong

[royal lantern]

not at all

[wild star]

nope

[minor swift]

but like u think i should rly use indiscriminate carnage?

[vale shore]

Of course

[shell goblet]

ty ❤️

[vale shore]

You also get energy back when things die with bleeds

[shell goblet]

sounds good. thank you

[minor swift]

ye i mean ig

[grim jay]

Can potentially be worse rn on heroics, but definitely the build for m+

[vale shore]

And energy makes combo points which you turn into damage

[robust river]

I don't think it's optional in dungeons...

[vale shore]

Things dying too fast is the opposite of a problem

[minor swift]

but idk rn i dont feel like i struggle w dmg or energy

[vale shore]

You topping meters on both bosses and trash?

[raven panther]

long boss single target is a bit boring because of the energy lack

[minor swift]

ye

[minor swift]

sure but IC doesnt rly change that?

[vale shore]

Ic is for trash and boss adds

[minor swift]

yeah but rn i still top dps on trash

without it

[oak eagle]

with IC youre getting 20% more agi due to Scent of Blood.

on trash

[minor swift]

a thats right

[nova aspen]

u would top dps even harder, with it

[oak eagle]

20% more agi is massive when it comes to actual keys when season starst

[minor swift]

but like idk when i had it at first, ig i just did something wrong bcz i never really noticed it heh

[viscid breach]

is reprimand fixered yet?

[nova aspen]

applying 5-6 ruptures in 2 GCD's should be very noticable

[minor swift]

do you guys not go for arterial precision then? and go for IC and poison bomb instead?

[nova aspen]

https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?t=3745

watch this video

all your questions will be answered

[minor swift]

i did watch it

[nova aspen]

are u sure? because he answers all your recent questions

he is the king nerd of sin

[minor swift]

heh

but yeah idk i did check it and look at his talents aswell

[nova aspen]

arterial precision is good but he explains why its not as good as bleed and hybrid builds

he does the maths

but if u want to play it go for it

[oak eagle]

whispyr is the big nerdge

[vale shore]

Play what you want, we are rogues. There are no rules!

[minor swift]

yeah yeah but its also interesting to see what other people say and thing :D

like kinda curious why you would want iron wire

[vale shore]

Silencing packs is super clutch on pulls

With casters

Almost no one has an aoe silence

Ours comes baked in with damage reduction too

[past forum]

You can drop Iron Wire for irrelevant content like heroics but please please please don’t be the kind of rogue that drops iron wire “for damage” in mythic+

[minor swift]

hm

[arctic socket]

Love trolling

[past basin]

be the kind of rogue that depletes the key cuz of no iron wire, but then dont forget if the key is bricked and ur doing that much more noneone will dare to blame you

[past forum]

It’s one of the strongest pieces of utility a dps can bring to keys and you will can only get the smallest most irrelevant amount of dps from dropping it

[past basin]

so ur safe either way

[runic hinge]

It’s like 1% dps to drop iron wire

[nova aspen]

"im not here to get ur money" "im just here for 10 dollars"

[runic hinge]

Pls don’t

[vale shore]

Even other rogue specs can only envy iron wire!

[arctic socket]

[minor swift]

really hah

so like dropping 2x vicious venoms 75% dmg on mutilate

is worth the silence and dmg red

[robust river]

70% increase but also costs 10 energy more right?

[minor swift]

yeah

[robust river]

And for M+ going for higher keys DR/Silence will be worth more yeah IMO

Maybe some dungeons vary were silence/DR just doesn't matter much, or you will never really get to stealth but I'll be running it as standard personally

[nova aspen]

ur a team player in keys, 1% dps wont save the key, but constant silences and damage reduction would save the key

[spice spire]

#off-topic

[vale shore]

Make the key trivial in some cases!

[royal lantern]

and, you know

m+ means high amount of AoE

AoE = you dont use Mutilate

[spice spire]

Every key is trivial

[minor swift]

but thats like, when used from stealth

[past forum]

I would never dream of dropping iron wire in keys unless my stated goal was to troll my team

[spice spire]

Keys are a joke

[arctic socket]

You know like I know this is the off topic channel

Brotha

[spice spire]

Nah

[sturdy python]

Is it true assassination is the lowest dps spec of the 3 atm for single target O.o

[vale shore]

When the mobs can't cast and do 15% less damage yes

[sturdy python]

someone linked me these sims

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[minor swift]

yeah

[past forum]

Ur so real for that

[minor swift]

but like open from stealth into garrote

[vale shore]

Sims aren't real. They can't hurt you

[minor swift]

and you lose deathstalkers mark

unless u already got it procced

[spice spire]

Let’s not go that far

[robust river]

You get 6 seconds to garrote remember

[spice spire]

But I like the energy

[spice surge]

This sheet is a meme and take anything it says with a huge glass of salt

[minor swift]

but only silence from stealth?

[spice spire]

A whole glass?

[sturdy python]

phewwww

[spice spire]

I think that’s the actual meanest thing I’ve ever seen you say eleem

[minor swift]

only inc dmg for 6 sec after breaking stealth

[sturdy python]

was actually so shocked lol

[sturdy python]

nah that's exactly what I wanted to hear XDD

[robust river]

Ermm I actually don't know if the silence applies to the 6sec silence window or just the initial one. Anyone confirm?

[minor swift]

it doesnt say that it applies 6 sec after stealth so it shouldnt

so neither does the dmg red

[nova aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

It silences from improved garrote too yes

Not only the first stealth garrote

[robust river]

So you can iron wire multiple casts then?

[spice surge]

Yes

[robust river]

Sweet, thanks!

[minor swift]

really?

[spice spire]

Yes

[vale shore]

6 seconds of no casts and damage reduction is enough for the tank and healer to get control

[sturdy python]

damn that even shows outlaw ahead

[vale shore]

You can also use vanish and your aoe blind in emergencies

[spice spire]

Maybe for you but mine are built different (worse)

[robust river]

Outlaw is notorious for over simming I believe.

[nova aspen]

^

[vale shore]

Yeah I leave outlaw far behind in both m+ and raids

[spice spire]

Need more intense outlaw haters

[nova aspen]

i would not say outlaw is far behind at all, they are still competitive

just not as good as sims show

[sturdy python]

you mean in DF right? we don't have either of those in TWW yet, or do you mean in your personal sims?

[past forum]

But how dies outlaw sim in touching grass or acquiring maidens

[vale shore]

They are rolling dice while I am flipping coins. Statistically, I'm more likely to win!

[spice spire]

I think they mean in general

Damn that logic is insane

1/6 < 1/2

[sturdy python]

[nova aspen]

they are rolling dice AND flipping coins

[vale shore]

Even worse!

[rotund oak]

yeah,pretty much

much worse

[alpine garden]

Gamblers anonymous is calling

[spice spire]

Also true though

Gotta respect the gambling grinders

[past forum]

I’m down like 150k from scrapping Thorium Widgets trying to highroll a quick mil, so I can’t really talk

[viral shard]

Yo I got a question. With assass in dungeons/aoe. Do i open out of stealth with Improved Garrote or Ambush to apply mark?

[rotund oak]

if u are a deathstalker ambush

if fatebound garrote

[viral shard]

word up

[rotund oak]

BUT

[spice surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546693896441430027/1278886215902564362/image.png?ex=66d317da&is=66d1c65a&hm=754221ee61b27b41a4e2c28b9b283bb4328d3d0152b461b57bc2d94a5422d3f7&
Im having a lot of fun with my dawnthread army too, surely it keeps multiproccing so i can recoup my losses

[viral shard]

is fatebound no fun? should I give it a shot?

[rotund oak]

if u have the DN proc on you

u can always open with garrote

[spice spire]

Never stop gambling bud

[rotund oak]

and envenom on full cp

and apply mark

[spice surge]

Im prepping so hard to gamble

[spice spire]

99% of gamblers quit before they hit it big

[spice surge]

The tempered potions

Once the season hits you know ima pull that multicraft lever

[slate crown]

Not a gamble if your expected returns are positive in the long run

keep on keepin on

[rotund oak]

if u are new its much easier to start getting the flow of the spec

once u mastered the opener and cds etc

u can bounce to deathstalker

[viral shard]

Im very familiar with assass but as a Pvper lol

[past forum]

As long as you remind yourself that next one is the payoff, you’re never in the hole

[rotund oak]

yeah its not that different but u still need to track deathstalkers mark

[spice spire]

Don’t ruin this for me

[rotund oak]

and play around it

[spice surge]

Thats why you gamble all your gold away instead of your irl money

[viral shard]

Figured as much

[rotund oak]

if u screw up u lose everything

[spice spire]

If I’m expected to win what’s the point

[viral shard]

Thanks for the help love you <3

[past forum]

We’re dealers of fate, we’re built knowing when to hold ‘em AND when to fold ‘em

(never fold, that’s for quitters)

[spice spire]

Amen

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[fast pine]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[minor swift]

but shouldnt this work? or like skip 1 point in lethal dose and also get IC

[vale shore]

Next expansion we proc card draws on our attacks and have to build winning hands of poker for damage buffs

Improved garrote is mandatory. Even more than shadowheart

[subtle tundra]

lethal dose is very potent

[minor swift]

Got it

[vale shore]

If you are spreading your bleeds they might as well also do more damage

[glossy remnant]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[faint path]

I'm done for now

[subtle tundra]

ugly ass mog

[grim jay]

Brother playing rogue and still looking like a paladin

[minor swift]

But worth losinh 1 point in lethal to get IC?

[faint path]

I'm using these that's why not doing tmog that much hahaha

[spice spire]

#transmog

[shell goblet]

i would need your help guys. i really like my plater setup i have, but i'm getting absolutely bombed with debuffs on the enemy. which ones would be the ones i really wanna track? i would blacklist the others then, so i can actually see whats going on.
i was thinking about keeping garrote, rupture, shiv, crimson tempest, kingsbane and deathmark. anything missing with fatebound specifically?

[subtle tundra]

bro whats that build though, you get amp without dtb?

[grim jay]

I track rupture garrote ct DM kb and shiv

Could probably get away with not tracking shiv and kb

[vague portal]

our 4 potions are deadly,amp,cripling and numb correct

[shell goblet]

i'm gonna make deathmark and kingsbane as a "special buff" so i have them on the side for visibility

[minor swift]

Dtb? On my phone rn

[shell goblet]

so i'm not too far off then i guess

[subtle tundra]

dragon tempered blades, that build is a complete mess

[minor swift]

Hahaha

[vale shore]

I use atrophic. Never know when the damage reduction is the difference between a one shot and a quick lay on hands

[lavish ruin]

What we thinking our best raid spec gonna be lads sub or sim

Sin *

[grim jay]

we dont think

we wait for balancing and fixes

[uneven plume]

crit chance in shambles

[quaint spindle]

double crit embelishment or 1x and the dagger?

what we thinkin

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[uneven plume]

double weapon grip till embels are not horse shit

at least for me

[grim jay]

considering he meantioned the dagger, he meant with sparks

[uneven plume]

ahhhh

[grim jay]

so none at all is the answer

rn

[lavish ruin]

Right now with no changes what u picking

[feral mason]

spatter on dummies is getting more bugged by the day

[faint path]

No embel 5 6 items crit mast but still low 😂 death hero talents gives enough crit I guess 😂

[uneven plume]

if youre DS ST then then its fine. I think DS prefers mastery

and ST prefers haste

[prime fable]

Hey all I'm new to rogue. Quick question, for DeathStalker it mentions "with maximum combo points". Is it always considering 5 as max or if traited for 7 then 7?

[spice surge]

If you have 7 max you need 7

[fluid smelt]

7 if you have 7

[spice surge]

(which you should have in all scenarios)

[prime fable]

Appreciate it!

[robust river]

Note, the anima combo points don't currently count as "max". Known bug.

[pliant terrace]

is that a bug? that sounds intentional

[spice surge]

Its a bug

[pliant terrace]

at least for deathstalker

[fluid smelt]

I'm beginning to think it's intentional

It would definitely help the spec flow if they do implement it

[robust river]

I don't think we have any official ackowledgement of bug vs feature but community in general believes it's a bug.

[pliant terrace]

noob question but we always use deadly poison for everything right? instant vs amplifying is the only poisons contingent on talent choice?

just wanna make sure

[fluid smelt]

I use deadly, Amp, atro, crippling for everything. We envenom alot so amps important imo

[feral mason]

pretty sure every talent set with DTB has amp

instant is just not picked

[pliant terrace]

well I know amp vs instant changes depending on if DTB is picked. I just wanted to confirm that we always use deadly no matter what.

[fluid smelt]

Always deadly

[pliant terrace]

rip

[spice surge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[pliant terrace]

thank you

[quasi stump]

I gotta admit

I'm not the biggest fan of how I have to open with ambush in stealth for deathstalker

[grim jay]

you mean once or twice

at max a handful

in 30 min

or once per pull

[pliant terrace]

I only hate it if a tank is chain pulling and you don't get to restealth

[grim jay]

I dont mean it as an offense, but idk how people can enjoy the game getting stuck up on minor stuff like that

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[pliant terrace]

yeah but not getting resealths still feels like shit with the bleed build if your vanish isn't up

[fluid smelt]

Honestly the more you get use to darkest night the more you can let tanks chain pull without restealthing. It's nice to stealth. But we can manage well without

[quasi stump]

oh no I mean like, all through DF I opened with garrote in stealth so its hard to get used to

[grim jay]

idk, just feels like a spec that does much of its damage through dots should feel

multidotting is always a part of that

[grim jay]

thats true, I still sometimes forget it

and I played quite a bit with it

but you can make a bigger WA to get used to it

[pliant terrace]

if im not getting indiscriminate carnage resets for my rupture and garrotes on a fresh pack im crying man

[coral sierra]

I feel like a DH using that honey bee trinket but I guess it sims best out of current trinkets for me

[pliant terrace]

yeah this took some getting used to for me as well

[stray olive]

so true, i love assass but these unga bunga tanks that chain pull without leaving combat make me so irrationally mad

[fluid smelt]

If you can't restealth, just apply a few ruptures, apply mark with darkest night of it didn't bug out and fall off, caustic that primary target and just go to town with fok, ct, and envenoms

[vale shore]

If the empowered envenom from darkest night kills the target, you lost deathstalkers. That's what made me switch to fatebound

[spice spire]

Deathstalker keeps giving holy fuck

[shy pecan]

From #rules-and-guides:

[flat rampart]

ah my bad

[grim jay]

honestly gotta ask yourself if you shouldve envenomed there

99% of the time the answer is no

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

because you wouldve wasted damage anyways

[fluid smelt]

Ya it's a bug. Try and not use dn before they die. Like just wait for them to die and reapply on a higher hp target. It bugs out to easily if they die as you consume the mark

[strange python]

should i only be consuming deathmarks with 7cp ?

[grim jay]

no

[vague portal]

just wondering, does doing the wq and getting the caches with higher ilvl matter or no

[grim jay]

you dont go for 7cp unless you apply marks with darkest night

[vale shore]

Deathstalker is a super fiddly thing. Just easier to throw coins around

[grim jay]

idk its like 2 things you gotta look out for

and the annoyance of the ER bug

[vague portal]

i was watching whiper yesturday , i think he was playing fate

[grim jay]

he plays both

bcs TC n guide writer n stuff

and he loves sin

[vale shore]

Boss that jump away to rp also hose deathstalker

[hearty reef]

So this... is the power of anton chigurh...

[grim jay]

ye thats one of the 2, but can definitely play around that

[strange python]

fatebound so unbearably lame

[vague portal]

im still trying to wrap my head on DS, idk if i should play fate for my smooth brain

[vale shore]

Getting the capstone and keeping it going is fun

And not super hard

Opening from stealth gives 2, cold blood two and vanish 2

[pliant terrace]

It's kind of hard to practice the deathstalker capstone right now because everything in heroic dungeons dies in 2 seconds

[dire ivy]

do we have any preferences on which 590 item we craft or is it whatever since its only preraid stuff?

[hot fulcrum]

check pins

[vague portal]

i wouldnt craft anything until week after mythic raid opens

[hot fulcrum]

latest one is about craft

[dire ivy]

pins doesnt say, since its NOT a spark item

[vale shore]

Craft a plate bracer and vendor it for charity

[hot fulcrum]

then I guess you can do whatever you want, depends on gold propably 🙂

[haughty flicker]

just craft whatever you need for ilvl