assassination

[grim jay]

Its my green rogue thats missing

He isnt whatever sadly

[quiet oar]

im missing Warri, Druid and Mage

(and Paladin but fuck paladin)

[winged widget]

ain't an issue for me because, you see, I'm not leveling any alts

[quiet oar]

Every other class is 80

[terse orchid]

I wouldn't expect the poors to be rational about things tho

[bronze pike]

[strong sleet]

!wa

[vague portal]

do we benefit from any profession or nah

[royal lantern]

profs dont give a benefit since....idk, Cata?

[frigid lagoon]

!trinkets

[grand trail]

Longer flask tho

[crimson crest]

alchemy is always nice for longer flasks, and now free pots and stuff imo

[frigid lagoon]

any idea where i can find trinket sims?

[grand trail]

[clear viper]

@grand trail i like your name

[grand trail]

[unkempt warren]

engi so you can rez the tank and healer after you solo the pack

[royal lantern]

everyone can have engi wrists

[quiet oar]

MOP

MOP had it

still

I think with Dreanor it got removed

[rotund oak]

wdym benefit

as in direct stat buff or something

[vague portal]

if being a leather working and skinning is better but i got mining and alch

[dim rock]

is echoing reprimand still bugged? should I take CB insttead?

[rotund oak]

it isnt bugged

[indigo comet]

!sims

[rotund oak]

the interaction with darkest night is

[dim rock]

ah im sry, thats what I was getting at with dark stalker capstone

[rotund oak]

deathstalker**

but ye the capstone cant be triggered from er charged cps

we all waiting for it to be fixed

[dim rock]

copy that, cb it is. ty @rotund oak

[rotund oak]

if u are playing deahtstalker its still better to get ER over CB

[royal lantern]

how would LW be better

[rotund oak]

CB becomes stronger with fatebounds inevitability node

[dim rock]

ah so aim to lose minigame after echoing?

or does it not trigger regardless

[rotund oak]

if it lands on a charged cp u should press a finisher

but dont actively play around it

proceed as the rotation commands

just have ur mind when and if it happens

to press a finisher

[dim rock]

copy ok

tyvm

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[brisk plank]

In m+ aoe packs when i am about to pop cds, do i play 1 shiv at start and one just as 1st expires or do i play only one towards end?

[static glacier]

Question is would the mob survive kingsbane?

If not you wouldn’t wanna send shiv at all, since no aoe dmg increase, would be better to FoK > env

Shiv dmg amp doesn’t translate into caustic

[keen viper]

Are both hero talents good?

[brisk plank]

Im not playing arterial, is it necessary then to pop shiv?

At cds time

[grim jay]

If he has 2 charges of shiv

He is playing bleed

And you play that without AP currently right?

Cant check

[grim jay]

You already answered my question

Ye shiv increases KB and your other poison dmg

[brisk plank]

Im playing 2 charges without arterial

Bleed build that is

[grim jay]

Close enough to play what you like if you dont engage in any high end content

[brisk plank]

So i was thinking about saving both charges for kb, im asking if lets say only one is enough

[keen viper]

Looking to play for mythic raids etc ☺️ i was away for 2 years

[grim jay]

Mo basically meant that you dont need to send a shiv onto your kb target after the 1st one expires, if your target will die in 3s afterwards

So much of it would be wasted

That aside, you would probably want to use both charges with kb if possible if you dont play AP

[brisk plank]

So if the mob lives through saving both charges is good idea is what im getting, i assumed that too

Thanks both

[grim jay]

Would check the wowhead guide tho

It might have some toggles for that build on the rotation site

[pale ember]

what phials/flask are we gonna use in dungeons/m+? crit or mastery?

[winged widget]

alchemical chaos, so the tempered potion is better

[clever sapphire]

new shaman spec confirmed?

[grim jay]

Yeah it will turn the shaman into an earth elemental

[clever sapphire]

atleast the earth ele knows how to get aggro

[manic pebble]

Do you ambush on the new pack if you already have darkest night buff?

[grim jay]

No unless it will expire before you can use it

[manic pebble]

I see, thank you

[dawn oracle]

what is the best weapon enchantement right now for assa?

[rotund oak]

!wa

[fringe lily]

Mongoose

[rotund oak]

!wa

hmm

[fringe lily]

The big ones don't look like they've been updated yet

Links on wowhead for the WAs

[rotund oak]

ik im wondering why is the command not working

[fringe lily]

Bots in stealth

[iron carbon]

!dn

Yep, bot is in timeout

[rotund oak]

on a strike

not getting paid

found it,jsut wanted to add couple of conditions for mark

all good

[iron carbon]

Wich are?

[timid wedge]

Why is deathstalker's mark not an active ability(on gcd for all I care), what a dumb interaction with stealth. How did this go live?

[feral mason]

pretty fine interaction if you ask me

[royal lantern]

nobody knows

[timid wedge]

You enjoy randomely getting into combat and being screwed for a pull?

[feral mason]

you only have to hit ambush for the first pull or when there hasnt been combat for a while, at which point you dont get randomly kicked out of stealth from dots

darkest night does the rest

[timid wedge]

Cooked ok, got it

[royal lantern]

the fact that a "fail sate" exists is stupid at all

doesnt matter how easy or hard it is to keep it running

[feral mason]

plenty of bugs and issues with these talents but having a skill issue shouldnt be a knock on them

[timid wedge]

"skill issue" grow up, holy shit

[winged widget]

why dont we have a void assassin themed hero talent since this entire first season have a shit ton of roguish stuff with the nerub quests, the kyvexa boss which is basically a void rogue with a rare drop weapon that applies "QUEENSBANE" effect on the target.
This entire season is filled with rogue themes. why are we stuck with "we are bringing back marked for death, but this time, it's a passive to avoid button bloat and deals dmg instead of giving CPs"? Why a coin flipper?
So many questions, so little answers

[royal lantern]

the second somebody says "skill issue" in a serious manner, its pathetic mate

again

a "fail state" should not exist at all

cus wtf is that

it doesnt matter that its easy to have it running, i know that

its a gigantic flaw that it exists at all

[feral mason]

stopped being serious when goober started insulting over opinions about hero talents

[timid wedge]

You were insulting me first, by having a terrible opinion

[grim jay]

Idk, having no skill expression at all is pretty stupid and if its something trivial, there is no problem with it either way

[lusty delta]

Fail states allow for skill expression

[dawn kelp]

!wa

[timid wedge]

What sort of skill expression do you want? I've played Rogue since Tomb of Sargeras, and completed all the content. I think it's terrible to play, skill expression doesn't fix that

[fallen arch]

Who are you to call out someones opinion to be terrible though

[timid wedge]

Assassination is still the best of worst for me, so I am committing to that, I am just frankly shocked this went live

[fallen arch]

It’s in opinion

[timid wedge]

And then clown says it's a skill issue, come on.

[lusty delta]

Keeping track of my buffs and debuffs to ensure optimal uptime while also dealing with boss mechanics.

[royal lantern]

then why doesnt it exist for anything else in the entire game

[grim jay]

I mean what you complained about is literally a result of wrong play in 99% of cases

[timid wedge]

Ok so when a wipe occurs, I go in combat due a random mob still attacking me

And I am forced to vanish to get deathstalker going again

This is good design according to you?

[fallen arch]

Vanish, ambush problem solved

[feral mason]

just dont wipe, skill expression as well

[fallen arch]

Idk what you want to hear

[alpine garden]

It was pretty annoying doing the rookery and getting chain lightning-ed out of stealth at range

[grim jay]

If a wipe occurs you are dead and can 100% restealth

[lusty delta]

Yes that's fine you got into combat before ambushing that's a skill issue

[timid wedge]

Jfc, no wonder rogue is in this state

Imagine defending this

[fallen arch]

Nobody is defending this

But it’s not that big of an issue

[winged widget]

considering both Sin and Sub couldn't even benefit from the capstone for opposite reasons, I think it's fine now. Applying a mark at the beginning of the pull feels as some "mandatory setup" just as much as putting up bleeds first. just an extra step. more of a "gotta get used to it" case than "omg that's so bad right now, time to reroll"

[royal lantern]

mate, 99,999% agree that its horrible

its literally 3-4 people in here telling everyone "no its good, u just bad lololololol"

[feral mason]

we already complained about everything a long time ago and it didnt get fixed, you are just getting way too worked up over talents

ts funny as hell

[royal lantern]

cus it makes them feel better or soemthing, idk

[grim jay]

You are literally exaggerating and complaining about non issues instead of the actual bad points

[timid wedge]

Sure I got a sick macro /cast [stealth] etc, it's not like it's hard?

[grim jay]

Thats what it is to me

[timid wedge]

It still feels awful

[grim jay]

[feral mason]

DN not resetting if a mob dies within 0-1 seconds of you hitting it with it is a way bigger issue than the ambush stuff if you ask em

or all the ER rng bullshit

[grim jay]

Thats you killing the Mob with DN, because the buff gets consumed on damage increase for envenom and the mark gets applied after the damage instance occured

[feral mason]

yeah im aware why it happens its just unfortunate since DN procs from random ER ticks sometimes as well

so i literally cant do shit to prevent it

outside of stopping dps entirely

[manic pebble]

That explains why my deathmark buff is missing

[radiant yoke]

can we get the new enchant authority of the depths?

[grim jay]

I swapped targets if mine is at 600k HP instead of envenoming that, which I usually do anyways, because I dont wanna overkill stuff

[royal lantern]

uhn, skill issue?

[royal lantern]

raid drop

[radiant yoke]

k

what's good until then?

[grim jay]

Arguably

[royal lantern]

idk, mastery i gues

or just dont buy any enchant

[radiant yoke]

im trying to level enchanting but also learn something i should use, lol

[royal lantern]

i mean, you wanna craft each item 1x anyway in that case for knowledge

[radiant yoke]

authority of storms, firey resolve

[brisk plank]

As deathstalker has those bugs im thinking about playing fatebound for a bit, is the gameplay rotations etc exactly the same minus worrying about the mark?

[nova aspen]

i think u also want to keep energy above 50% instead of below

!pooling

i forget the command

[desert cove]

the bugs mostly don't effect gameplay anymore

only time it happens is with the animacharged combo point

[feral mason]

theres also a bug with DN just randomly disappearing sometimes

feel like ive noticed it occassionally but havent figured out why it happens in logs

[desert cove]

I haven't seen that one yet lol

nice

[nova aspen]

i dont want to play cold blood deathstalker so i am also currently fatebound

not being able to finish on charged CP feels bad for me

[desert cove]

you don't play cold blood deathstalker

and you can finish on the charged CP

you just need to do a certain sequence

check the pins to see what I mean

[slate crown]

This is the command, Moroes is sleepy

[desert cove]

even bots get eepy

[slate crown]

#assassination message

[nova aspen]

[kind forge]

@prisma monolith wake up

[brisk plank]

And if i simply wanna play fate what about then, do anything in gameplay changes?

[grim jay]

Didnt encounter that yet

[desert cove]

then just play fatebound

you just play like normal

and you get coin flips and do more damage

[slate crown]

lol crafting orders still down

[desert cove]

despair

I was really wanting to craft today

[nova aspen]

[weak isle]

oh THATS why

[desert cove]

get that sweet sweet crit stat

[weak isle]

[royal lantern]

noob trap

increasing crit %

just crit bro

[sonic schooner]

[desert cove]

mb you're so right

I'll get the vers one instead

[grim jay]

Ye I have like 19% ingame

[desert cove]

[grim jay]

But its still 50/50

[shut leaf]

What spec is go to now? Or can I play what ever right now?

[grim jay]

Either I crit or I dont

[grim jay]

You can always play everything

Tuning isnt done

Content isnt relevant

[royal lantern]

21% crit

it feels like 50% most of the time until i need to trigger DN, then its 0% and i stand there pressing mut 4x in a row

[shut leaf]

Yeah I understand that, but I wanna get more used to a spec when the big guns hit 😉

[grim jay]

Well then your guess is as good as ours

The only thing thats fairly certain is that outlaw aint the raid spec

[desert cove]

not if he plays mage

[minor swift]

Hello!
what hero talent do you guys prefer :D

[grim jay]

Relatable

[grim jay]

Deathstalker

[minor swift]

why though

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor got a question for you, I looked on wowhead and the signet of the priory isn’t there but when I sim it’s really strong

[nova aspen]

it puts a spin on an otherwise boring rotation

[subtle tundra]

cause the other option is fucking fatebound

you have to choose from shit and shit

[arctic socket]

Sim bug or?

[grim jay]

Damage 📈
Coins 📉

[minor swift]

hahaha

[desert cove]

I simmed it and it was barely ~3k over a darkmoon deck (ascension) in dslice

[nova aspen]

im currently using it and the sac

macro'd it into deathmark

[desert cove]

it's definitely a solid trinket, but it's gonna get replaced by the grim batol trinket in like 5 minutes

downside

we have to play grim batol

[minor swift]

another curious question, in wowhead etc talents dont choose sudden demise? just reading it makes it seem op?

[desert cove]

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[nova aspen]

not just play grim batol

farm grim batol

[arctic socket]

7k stat on use sims rly strong over other options

[desert cove]

[arctic socket]

And I did a st sim

Ima just follow what robot tells me

[desert cove]

ah that's fair, I'm not caring about ST sims until raid comes out

[grim jay]

They do except for raid and cleave

[desert cove]

nothing lives long enough for deathmark anyways

[grim jay]

Whispyr didnt bother with all the pre raid/season stuff

[arctic socket]

It’s basically a 1/4 to be a grim batol trinket truly a gamba

[feral mason]

cant wait for goobers to leave my m0 dungeons to farm trinkets

hooray

[grim jay]

Unlikely to happen

They are still daily dungeons and most people will need multiple items

[feral mason]

these people are stupid as hell they'll do it anyway

after a few days for sure anyway

[desert cove]

don't forget as well that delves exist for gear too

tier 8 delves guarantee a veteran gear piece

[feral mason]

after seeing people leave heroic dungeons for trinket farming i dont put anything beneath them anymore

[lunar pond]

Remnant of Darkness is missing from the tier list as well and looks similar to Broodsac but with instant damage AOE proc rather than a dot? Unintentional?

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[feral mason]

unless trinkets recently got tuning its definitely intentionaal

[desert cove]

also I don't think that dungeon is in the season

yeah it's not

so who cares

downside

dawnbreaker is in the first season

[spice surge]

No rookery or cinderbrew either

Sad times

[desert cove]

it's fine it just means s2 will be a banger

they just have to

not have a shitty cata dungeon in the list

[nova aspen]

rookery and cinderbrew are fun

[spice surge]

Black morass coming up

[royal lantern]

Shrine of the Storms appears, 100%

[desert cove]

STOP

[royal lantern]

[marble hemlock]

they just need to stop designing dungeons for m+, cause m+ was more fun when they didnt do that

[grim jay]

They shouldnt include any dungeons pre mop

[spice surge]

Although black morass was unironically not that bad

Violet hold sucks way more

[marble hemlock]

oh god

shivermaws from m+

[desert cove]

I still have nightmares from dragonflight s2 VP week 1

[royal lantern]

desinging dungeons around m+ and then trying to make them "competitive"

[kind forge]

shrine of the storm would be cool

[royal lantern]

while at the same time filling 50% of the dungeon list with 10y old dungeons lol

[spice surge]

With all the void stuff going on i would be very surprised if there was no shrine

[grim jay]

Cant wait for shadowlands timewalking tho. Especially if theres sanctum tw raid and we will farm the dagger for offhand usage. Great time

[royal lantern]

if any SL raid gets timewalking, its gonna be CN

[grim jay]

That will be the worst recycled content across any mode

[royal lantern]

they use popular raid for those

and sanctum was the opposite of popular

CN was liked

[grim jay]

Really? I only heard good things, tho cn is way better indeed

[royal lantern]

long time i saw a raid get so much

if at all

fuck sanctum lol

[grim jay]

The thing people around me hated was the gem system

[nova aspen]

i dont understand why they think flying around mid dungeon and apparently mid boss fight is fun

[grim jay]

Worst thing imo is the cart shit

In cleft

[nova aspen]

i thought it was a neat idea but poorly executed

[grim jay]

It felt like some Mario minigame idk

[royal lantern]

hey look, you summed up every single "special" dungeon mechanic

[desert cove]

my favorite part about dawnbreaker is that the death sphere the 2nd boss does is WAY bigger than the animation

[dusty zenith]

Azure vault on dungeon list ?

[desert cove]

like I'm talking ~two mounted characters extra distance

[nova aspen]

are u supposed to grab the yellow balls during death sphere?

[desert cove]

they just give you stamina

for flying I mean

[lunar pond]

Boss absorb intermissions generally need to be done away with in dungeons.
Ship, Bird, etc.

[nova aspen]

ahh ok

[hybrid dirge]

which hero talent should i take if i plan on doing m+

[desert cove]

pick your favorite

only ~2% dps loss to go fatebound

[grim jay]

And survivability

More than 2%

[desert cove]

yeah deathstalker gets a lot more in that regard

evasion giving magic dr is huge

[terse orchid]

Keep forgetting about that

[desert cove]

the cloak giving phys dr is worthless tho lmao

unless there is like a phys damage aoe going out at the same time you're cloaking an effect

[grim jay]

How is it worthless

[spice surge]

Its worth less, but its not worthless, especially in m+

[grim jay]

You would still cloak if you die

Otherwise

[desert cove]

yeah I guess but if you're in that scenario something has gone wrong

[grim jay]

Its mainly important for oneshot stuff

[desert cove]

unless it's a super high key

[grim jay]

Well thats where the lack of survivability was relevant

[desert cove]

[nova aspen]

was the smash on last boss in everbloom a physical aoe?

[desert cove]

no

lol

it was magic

iirc

[nova aspen]

im trying to think of a physical aoe

lol

[spice surge]

3rd boss brh

But also bleeds

[grim jay]

There are some, but it wouldve mainly helped with stuff like nokhud ghalearrow etc to have more access to survivability, thats where the difference became harsh, even if it mightve not really been applicable in that case

[hybrid dirge]

so overall deathstalker is better?

[desert cove]

yes overall

but unless you're pushing super high end content, it's really just pyf

[hybrid dirge]

i plan on trying to push as high as i can in m+

[desert cove]

then learn deathstalker

easy as

not even really much to learn

[hybrid dirge]

thank you all for the help!

[desert cove]

you just open with ambush

and keep your eye on the mark in aoe

[hybrid dirge]

i normally do that anyway

[royal lantern]

huh

[desert cove]

you opened with ambush before deathstalker?

brother

[grim jay]

Hes just from the future

[nova aspen]

bro bruh brosef lilbro bruv

[hybrid dirge]

yea i found it was better than garrote

[grim jay]

Literally built to play deathstalker

[desert cove]

[hard river]

@balmy condor I don't think this works as custom apl, it has to be expert mode footer

[slim pasture]

i feel like im ripping right now is ass ripping ?

[hard river]

ripping ass?

[slim pasture]

yes

[ripe carbon]

i havent tried the spec yet... got all gear so im about to after i finish simming

[desert cove]

might wanna change your diet then

[grim jay]

Id see a doctor if my ass was ripping

Ngl

Sounds concerning

[slim pasture]

i didn't say it was my ass

[ripe carbon]

gyatt spec

[desert cove]

then whose ass is it?

[slim pasture]

wouldn't you like to know

[desert cove]

https://tenor.com/view/answer-me-question-dean-winchester-supernatural-gif-14288459

[slim pasture]

you gotta subscribe to my OF

[grim sonnet]

No one has beaten me in heroic dungeons yet with assass so yes its doing well

[grim jay]

The heroic dungeon benchmark

[slim pasture]

haha

[grim sonnet]

Thats all we have so far….

[ripe carbon]

theirs hardly anyone doing good dps in heroics ive found

[deep sorrel]

guys, mid vanish in opener when reapplying garrote, is it worth hitting ambush as first ability out of stealth when playing deathstalker?

makes sense to refresh the mark right

[grim sonnet]

Ele sham and frost mage is going ham

[spice surge]

No

[grim jay]

Thats why we have nothing and cant say anything about what will be good or bad

[slim pasture]

it should keep going on its own no/

?

frost mage def going ham

[spice surge]

A. Ambushing again wont refresh it
B. Youll extend it anyway with darkest night

[grim sonnet]

Okay so mute all channels then cuz its worthless to talk at all

[hard river]

true

[grim jay]

Literally not remotely the same

[sonic spindle]

I’m arguing with someone on Reddit, they told me to come here and ask some to explain why sin doesn’t need restealths in M+ for better dmg

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[deep sorrel]

ok, makes sense, either way, we spec improved ambush right

[grim jay]

And whispyrs m+ video

[desert cove]

no

tight spender is better

[feral mason]

equivalent to "im 100-0 against toddlers in the boxing ring"

[sonic spindle]

I just unga bunga, thank you

[desert cove]

unless it's ST

[deep sorrel]

yeah i'm talking about single target

and if we do spec ia in ST then out of stealth mid opener you get a free combo point + double the damage a mutilate does if your first button is ambush not garrote

[grim jay]

Brave to say that in 2024

[grim jay]

You dont ambush unless you get a blindside proc or at the beginning to apply mark

[deep sorrel]

yeah but why wouldn't your first button out of stealth be ambush

its free combo points + more dmg

you're gonna mutilate after the garrote anyway

[brisk plank]

In m+ deathstalker bleed build we er on cd?

[grim jay]

Its potentially less cp for the same energy

[deep sorrel]

it's more?

[grim jay]

Its 2 + crit = Max 3 and mutilate is 2 + crit = Max 4

[deep sorrel]

sure but I have 30% crit right now in current gear

i'm gambling 40k flat dmg

for maybe 1 extra cp

[terse orchid]

Wouldn't garotte be better?

[deep sorrel]

i'm hitting garrote also

[grim jay]

Not only that, you also apply less poisons and waste doomblade

[royal lantern]

tf are you guys yappin about

[grim jay]

He thinks its better to ambush after vanish

[deep sorrel]

yeah ok, i think this is right

[desert cove]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-talking-cat-meowing-gif-5392431604456469183

[royal lantern]

idk, use ambush for mark and on procs, thats it

who cares

[deep sorrel]

i care :(

[royal lantern]

ambush vs mut is stupid anyway, we talk about 1 GCD lol

[deep sorrel]

yeah i know but was just curious ;-;

thought i'd ask the experts ;p

[spice surge]

Ambush and mutilate does about the same damage

[deep sorrel]

ye i wasn't factoring in anything besides flat dmg

thanks guys

[grim jay]

Yeah you kinda garrote bcs of multiple reasons

[indigo oyster]

Is echoing Reprimand bugged?

[grim jay]

Some are those mentioned above

[grim jay]

!DN

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[indigo oyster]

Thank youi

[spice spire]

Yeah deez nuts

[cedar hare]

Deos anyone else have problem now more then ever with stealth? It drops randomly all the time

[grim jay]

Someone earlier was ripping ass

Im still worried

[desert cove]

yeah it was a very concerning development

[spice spire]

Huh?

[terse orchid]

Ripping ass aint a sin

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[terse orchid]

I've felt this as well, but I figured it was just me not really paying attention because heroics are a joke

[grim jay]

It sounded like it was his

Because he felt it ripping

[spice spire]

Ahhh I see

[grim jay]

Maybe you could help with your life experience

Considering how old you are

[cedar hare]

No but we are tralking im standing still. And it drosp stealth. happens often in PVP

[grim jay]

Mustve been through many things

[spice spire]

Aren’t you literally 50

[grim jay]

Bish you are 4 years older

Only sap and zarr rival you

[verbal sky]

Someone know how we got this effect ?

[spice surge]

Its an embellishment

[verbal sky]

oh ok ty

[nova aspen]

i dont understand crafting 590 daggers when u can upgrade adventurer to 593

[desert cove]

saves on crests

and also means you don't have to spam farm a dungeon on heroic

[worldly sentinel]

Crafting costs 30 crests. Upgrading 45 or 60

[nova aspen]

yea but weathered crests are useless

[toxic tiger]

saves on a shitload of valorstones

[desert cove]

weathered crests are worthless

[worldly sentinel]

Overall more item level and less crests, just burned money

[desert cove]

but it saves on resources

[waxen sandal]

Wait, can you craft 590 now? I only have half spark

[desert cove]

which is way more important in the long run

[spice surge]

Without a spark

[nova aspen]

so u just burn gold over valorstones

[desert cove]

you can get your other half of a spark as well

[elfin cove]

But won't we replace the crafted daggers anyway once the season starts?

[desert cove]

gold is way easier to get

[spice surge]

Yes

[nova aspen]

personally im ripping heroics for a JC recipe so ill have valorstone cap anyway

[spice surge]

Its replaced almost immediately

[worldly sentinel]

Everything gets replaced

Doesn’t matter if crafted or not

[indigo mulch]

Wait whats the ilvl going to be like in m+?

[worldly sentinel]

Maybe some 593 BIS trinkets stay for some days

[elfin cove]

Exactly xd Im not upgrading anything or crafting it

[grim sonnet]

Don’t craft until the season starts. Pretty standard

[elfin cove]

saving it for when the season starts

[worldly sentinel]

Dont craft with spark. Rest doesn’t matter

[nova aspen]

im surprised they threw a spark at us already

[desert cove]

I'm all in on dawnthread

[nova aspen]

all the noobs out there that will waste it

[desert cove]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-committed-all-in-michael-cera-gif-17888459

[indigo mulch]

I mean, right now we can't even do m0's. I'm overalling around 800k to 1mil in hc dungeons with crap gear. Not sure why i would spend a bunch of gold on a dagger that i will replace the moment s1 is released :C

[desert cove]

it's a minor optimization

[flat kindle]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[desert cove]

just don't be poor /s

[indigo mulch]

True i am poor 😦

[nova aspen]

like if weathered and carved crests could be upgraded

to the heroic or mythic crests i could see saving them

[robust river]

!wa

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[lucid rune]

Fatebound for dungeon spamming?

[sturdy stirrup]

can someone explain how to get sparks

[strange python]

What the JC recipe from them??

[deep sorrel]

do the weekly thats in the isle of dorn city, and then you can trade your half for a full one in the same place :)

its near a forge or smth, for the turn-in, and main weekly is near innkeeper

[sturdy stirrup]

it wants me to choose between 4 or 5 option is it weekly ?

[deep sorrel]

what do u mean

[nova aspen]

its for one of the primary stat gems i cant remember the name

it sells for like 100k on the AH

so its pretty rare

but there is nothing else to do for 2 weeks so i might as well lol

[strange python]

Oh the ruby one I think??

[sturdy stirrup]

there is 1 blue and pink quest

[dim shoal]

This bug is still active right?

[nova aspen]

whichever one it is its used to level JC to 100

currently

[kindred hinge]

!wa

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[spice spire]

If it’s still there it still exists

[dull cloak]

the 590 craft doesn't need spark and only needs 30 crests. it takes 60 crest to upgrade the heroic gear to 593 so craft is actually pretty good

[soft dew]

would anyone be able to tell me how envenom works with anima charged combo poinst?

is it only the duration or does it apply to the damage too

[iron carbon]

Should be both

Like rupture

[hearty coral]

wasn't the tea cd 1 min? now it has 3 charges

[spice surge]

Tea was not changed

It had 3 charges before too

[iron carbon]

Rofl, always been 3 charges and 1 m cd each

[hearty coral]

so i can use it 3 times in a row?

[iron carbon]

Yes

[hearty coral]

what a burst right?

[iron carbon]

Nope

Use it at 3 stacks for mastery

Then use it when u starve energy

Usually with KB, so u never sit on charges

[hearty coral]

im confued now

[spice surge]

Use tea during shiv

and make sure you get 100 energy out of it

[iron carbon]

I'm not clear?

[deep sorrel]

they mean use 1 charge of your tea to use the mastery buff you gain

the other two, to regain energy when you are low

and eleem said to use the mastery buff during your shiv window in kingsbane, to utilise it for the most damage

[median flicker]

The difference between deathstalker and fatebound are within a percent or so right?

[royal lantern]

2-3%

[median flicker]

In favor for deathstalker correct?

[clever sapphire]

aye

[nova aspen]

assuming u play it perfectly

[raven panther]

and fatebound is full passive right ? so hopefully DS deal more

[nova aspen]

yes, fatebound is full passive

[fallen arch]

Deathstalker does more prio

Which is considered good value in m+

[earnest remnant]

could spin it the other way around as well, Fatebound is only 3% behind if you play it perfectly otherwise its even worse

[nova aspen]

fatebound currently leads in m+ aoe, but deathstalker has far more prio damage yea

[hollow moss]

What do you mean play it perfectly?

[royal lantern]

tbf, if you "fuck up" fatebound, you just do normal mistakes in general

[nova aspen]

he posted a at the end

hes just memeing guys

[minor swift]

the dps combo is "dots" - deathmark - tea/trinkets - shiv - kingsbane right?

[earnest remnant]

tbf if you fuck up either of them, you are doing general mistakes

[unkempt warren]

me ^

[minor swift]

tyty

[nova aspen]

i think the only thing u can mess up with deathstalker is clear the witnesses

sometimes i forget about it

[median flicker]

idk i just hate ambushing out of stealth my music memory is just getting bleeds up first then blasting with dm kb

[nova aspen]

but it really only matters in ST

ur doing it passively in aoe

also sometimes i end up without a boss marked

depending on how the pulling goes, my mistake for not foreseeing it

so i can vanish for a mark

[royal lantern]

you know the biggest mistake

creating the trees

[earnest remnant]

Weakaura glows = i press FoK

[royal lantern]

we wont even do that in ST

funny enough

[nova aspen]

i mean in m+ single target

not in patchwerk

raid

[clever sapphire]

i shall be a hater with you and not pick an icon

i want my spike icon back

[earnest remnant]

[royal lantern]

nah, they icons just all look bad

[tulip gust]

hey guys is the ring "binding of binding" worth the upgrade?

[haughty flicker]

i actually like the coup icon

but i cant support that ability

[earnest remnant]

also i like Deathstalker

so L bozo

love me some big envenoms

[grim jay]

Always knew I like you for a reason

[earnest remnant]

Fix coup for sub

and then trickster sub is a BANGER

keep in mind all i care about is how it feels to play for me

couldnt give less of a shit about thematics or animations

[haughty flicker]

if/when er works with darkest night i think deathstalker will actually feel pretty good

thats the only thing ive noticed myself actively disliking so far

feels bad to land on an anima cp then build past it anyway to proc dn

[fallen arch]

Yes, forcing max cp is eh

[haughty flicker]

i dont even mind building to max by itself

[fallen arch]

Awkward

[haughty flicker]

just building past the er cp instead of being able to use it

[grim jay]

Yeah. Would kinda like the mark to get consumed and dmg the marked target no matter what other target you attack with a finisher that would trigger it

Would also alleviate the "marked target turns friendly" stuff to only make it a minor bummer for some secs if you didnt watch out

[high siren]

whenever I'm at 6 combos pts and want to proc darkest night, do I force a garrote refresh or use mutilate? Or do I evenom at 6 and go for the next round ?

[haughty flicker]

just press mut

[gusty mirage]

Guys don’t tell stealthi, but I have a crush on him

Ty for sharing my secret

[high siren]

okay, thanks 🙂

[iron valve]

I won't tell

[grim jay]

What about me

[gusty mirage]

I already have four Germans don’t need another, sorry bud

[grim jay]

Racism

Hello meownar

Help

[gusty mirage]

Since when is nationality a race bud?

Aren’t you Germans supposed to be highly sophisticated?

Smh my head

[full dune]

!wa

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[gusty mirage]

You have to fight @royal lantern for the fourth spot

[grim jay]

We are currently fighting anyways

Because of deathstalker

[arctic socket]

Just didn’t resim and got about 30k more dps did something change?

(My gear is the same)

[iron carbon]

Toxic spatter bugged

On simc

[arctic socket]

Oh Bugs finally got fixed! Sweet

[gusty mirage]

Some did at least

[arctic socket]

Oh

[covert basin]

Does he know

[arctic socket]

No I don’t

What happened

[haughty flicker]

thats a very broad question

[arctic socket]

Please tell me they at least fixed the anima charge bugged

[gusty mirage]

[amber sun]

!wa

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[covert basin]

Regressing

[gusty mirage]

Ready to ship 2 days ago, don’t stress it guys. They’ll surely fix it by tww launch

[arctic socket]

If I have to go into raid and it still isn’t fixed imma scream

[gusty mirage]

[rotund oak]

[covert basin]

Get your vocal cords warmed up buddy

[gusty mirage]

Listen, it could be worse. My coworker just found his hearing is in person, it started 30 minutes ago. He’s having a much worse day than you

[minor swift]

if you kill a target when darkest night is active

you lose the deathstalkers mark

is that a bug?

like with max stack envenom

[arctic socket]

Nah sin bugs probably worse

[gusty mirage]

It’s not, it’s unfortunately the way the ability works

[minor swift]

thats sad

[grim jay]

Is that some hidden code word or are you not sophisticated either?

[gusty mirage]

Poopstinker is poopy

[gusty mirage]

True

[gusty mirage]

No, he thought the hearing was via Zoom. Now he has to drive downtown and pay for parking

[arctic socket]

Oh that’s what you meant

I thought you meant like

[gusty mirage]

The motion hearing was called at 9:30am. It’s currently 9:58am

[grim jay]

Hearing literally sounded way out of context idk

Didnt associate it with your job

[gusty mirage]

He’s having a fun Thursday, meanwhile I’m vibing in my office shit posting in discord with you wonderful people

[arctic socket]

Listening to someone

[high siren]

do we have to play around the bug of echoing reprimand and the marks, or do we just "ignore" this and only go for a 7cp evenom when we have the darkest night ?

[grim jay]

The latter

You go for 7 if you have DN up

And play the er Cp if you hit them inbetween

[high siren]

okay !

[minor swift]

is it worth losing the ones in red and getting the ones in blue do you guys think? :D

[arctic socket]

If you’re at 6 cp and can apply the mark you have to multi up to 7 which fills criminal

[minor swift]

^not the systemetic failure"

[grim jay]

Those are totally different builds

Whispyr did all the necessary cooking

[minor swift]

where can i read the pros and cons? :D

[fallen arch]

Youtube

[robust river]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[robust river]

Whispyr has an "A-Z" video for M+ and Raid that covers some of it

[rotund oak]

dont wanna ruin ur fantasy but its already a thing

should watch whispyr vid

also,u dont ditch IC

ever and for no reason

period

(assuming u talkin' m+)

[twin plume]

!wa

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[cyan summit]

whats the best item to craft ?

[green harbor]

is there a specific reason why assassination is popular currently

[unkempt warren]

cus its good

[nova aspen]

good, fun

[grim jay]

Great community

[slate crown]

[nova aspen]

although if outlaw ever gets their range back i might swap back

[slate crown]

Fair weather fan I see

[grim jay]

You are safe then dw

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kitten-fight-short-small-gif-26811898

[indigo oyster]

I love playing assa but Outlaw just aaalways does more dmg. I hope to fuck when the season starts were not in for a rude awakening

[arctic socket]

I can’t wait to

Farm grim batol

[nova aspen]

[grim jay]

Pretty accurate

[nova aspen]

at least its better than farming dawnbreaker

[rotund oak]

[arctic socket]

Dawnbreaker is miles better

[minor swift]

yeah, watched them a bit, anyother youtuber to checkout for pvp talents etc?

[grim jay]

Sin survivability might be fixed, so we probably gucci

[indigo oyster]

My reserves are empty. Only reaming thing

Is bitterness

[grim jay]

#pvp

[minor swift]

lol missed that, thanks

[rotund oak]

yeah practicing outlaw for a certain amount of time does that to ppl

my condolenses

[indigo oyster]

Thank you

[nova aspen]

i will prob build an outlaw set with heroic+ gear when we get there and mess around with both specs

its still a blast

but there are 2 dungeons that suck for it

so theres that

[west crown]

any ideas on a ilvl to be at for week 1 heroics?

raid

[primal jolt]

just have full adventure gear

oh

[rotund oak]

if u upgrade all ur adv gear u should be 593

or more

[rotund oak]

b4 raid

[arctic socket]

580-585

[nova aspen]

zac is right

[arctic socket]

570 for normal

[west crown]

I planned on doing that, i just know there are a few things you can do to be super sweaty and didn't know if that was necessary

[primal jolt]

i am rn 800ilvl

[arctic socket]

Can push up to 590 if you upgrade stuff and farm renown

[primal jolt]

im just built different

[rotund oak]

if u do ur weekly quests,ur delves and the world quests and special assignments u dont ever need to log till next week

literally

and u will be 593ilvl

[elfin musk]

so we're not saving coffer keys?

[arctic socket]

Is it worth doing delves?

[manic cave]

What Embelishment

[indigo oyster]

Imma save them for the quest with bountifull delves

[manic cave]

are we playing

[arctic socket]

How do we get 8s

I have yet to go into delves

[indigo oyster]

Pretty sure it gives HC raid loot then

[rotund oak]

if u dont have gear and u want to get some ye,if u can save keys do so

[west crown]

8s are season start i think

[rotund oak]

ill keep 3 not more

[arctic socket]

In my opinion I believe the move would be to keep keys until 8s are released so we can have decent gear for mythic

But I’m also now into a “pushin” guild

[grim jay]

They are your best vault loot in one certain week, else they are kinda whatever tbf

[indigo oyster]

Imma save it all, all of it. I will not use a single dime for anything, no upgrades, no coffers, I will be as destitute as a newly divorced father of four. But when the season starts. It will all be worth it.

[rotund oak]

u are getting fragments from world quests and radiant echos,u practically replenish ur keys if u do

maybe lose 1 per week

and valorstones toupgrade ur gear

[arctic socket]

I was just gonna save them up

[rotund oak]

then do so

[arctic socket]

I’m already at 476

[rotund oak]

ur excuse is wrong

thats all

[indigo oyster]

No u

[west crown]

576?

[unkempt warren]

no u

[royal lantern]

no u

[rotund oak]

no u

[rotund oak]

no u

[rotund oak]

🫶

[unkempt warren]

time to reroll havoc

[onyx falcon]

whats the best 2nd trinket atm ? Sacbrood & Edict?

[grim jay]

[manic cave]

Which Embelishment is going to be the best ?

[rotund oak]

if only there was a guide

[manic cave]

the Crit above 80% hp or waepon

[spice surge]

No clue

[rotund oak]

for all these questions

[spice surge]

We'll find out once they work

[boreal lichen]

do we know which item we craft with the spark of omen ? or still unsure bc constanly patches ?

[rotund oak]

..

[grim jay]

Directly above

[rotund oak]

i mean

[wide ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-omg-shocked-what-the-gif-16789848374806317711

[boreal lichen]

is there a list for trinkets ?

[calm tendon]

I think it plays horrible.not close to fun

[nova aspen]

ok

[rotund oak]

there is literally an assassination-faq that links to the wowhead guide which has a trinket list of the msot valued trinkets

3 clicks away

[solemn lance]

sin doing good in tww?

[pliant remnant]

I also heard you can google for it really easily

something like "assassination rogue best gear" maybe

[rotund oak]

😅

[cunning basin]

We'll know once there's content to do

[somber fractal]

Are the darkmoon weapon embellishments not good at all for us?

[lunar pond]

Yes there is a guide, that has gear that isn’t complete. One the reasons some of these questions keep popping up. I mean no offense to Whysper in saying that. I wouldn’t want to put the effort into doing even a shitty job

[iron carbon]

Asking about stuff that you can't have yet is kinda cringe imo

[cunning basin]

What's incomplete about the gear? It says what embellishments to use, bis pieces you cant get yet

Even has a trinket list

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[somber fractal]

Not understanding that things you can’t have yet can still be simmed is kinda cringe

[arctic socket]

Should be 580 with upgrades

[lunar pond]

Making a BIS list is not the same thing. Not everyone will get the S tier trinkets and some are missing. Not all groups will get the weapon enchant out of the raid yet it is the only one listed last I looked. I mean look at Fuu’s there is a bit more there

[cunning basin]

I mean, in the most respectful way possible, gear genuinely does not matter in the slightest until raid and m+ are out.

[subtle tundra]

well it matters a bit to have decent gear going into raid so you dont struggle in it

[cunning basin]

All the gear currently available sucks, and will suck very slightly more or less depending on the stats you get on it.

[iron carbon]

U dumb or?

[subtle tundra]

sure its all getting replaced fast but you cant be wearing fresh 80 gear to go into heroic

[nova aspen]

[cunning basin]

But not wearing fresh 80 gear doesn't require a guide or help to acquire

[iron carbon]

Stupid to ask what is the best now when you can't have it, even if you can sim. Just wait.

[static geyser]

any plater expert that know how to make a script for glowing

[iron carbon]

Guide will be updated

[somber fractal]

Relax bud. You’re just flaming people for no reason

[subtle tundra]

if i were a content creator id make guide after guide on gearing

farming views

[stray fox]

Are raid bots sims against a dummy a good gut check for rotation mistakes or are they off somehow

[cunning basin]

Kekw

[subtle tundra]

but im not even lvl 80 on my main

[lunar pond]

But having a correct and complete trinket and weapon enchant tier list would be a good thing. But I’m lazy and I’m sure not going to hold it against someone willing to do the work

[frigid lagoon]

what most people want is bis gear for before m+ week

[cunning basin]

I don't understand what's not complete about the list? If it's not on the list it's not worth mentioning

[frigid lagoon]

even if it will be outdated quickly

[cunning basin]

Bis gear is always going to be the best ilevel you can get, preferably with secondaries you like

[desert cove]

mY BiS TrInKeT liST

[spice surge]

There is one, its just aimed at the actual season and not the 2 weeks before it

[desert cove]

bro people complaining about trinket lists including non season one dungeons is wild

like you cannot hyperoptimize that hard for gear that will get replaced within a week

[iron carbon]

I'm chill, I just lack of patience with stupid questions or commenting

[cunning basin]

I just don't get the obsession with bis gear. It's blue gear. Upgrade it as much as you can and pretend it's relevant for a week.

[lunar pond]

And yet there are a bunch of shit pre season trinkets? Why include anything then lol. Your reasoning is interesting

[spice surge]

What?

[lunar pond]

Have you looked at the list or are you just white knighting?

[spice surge]

I have?

What

[desert cove]

ah yes antagonizing the moderator

great choice

[lunar pond]

There are other dungeon trinkets on there. No remnant, no priory, no other weapon enchants lol

[rotund oak]

What gear isnt exactly complete in the guide

[desert cove]

b/c they do not matter

like

at all

[cunning basin]

^

[desert cove]

oh boy you got a couple thousand dps increase from a trinket you spent hours farming for

[somber sparrow]

i think the guide mentions that other trinkets exist but weren't worth putting on the list as they're below the rest

[desert cove]

well guess what

[spice surge]

Ye theres dungeon trinkets on there

Because they drop from m+

[desert cove]

it gets replaced almost immediately

[spice surge]

The ones that dont

arent on there

[cunning basin]

My best suggestion for the moment is to work on your gameplay

[spice surge]

Besides the rookery feather i guess for some reason

[cunning basin]

It will improve your DPS infinitely more than having the correct blue gear

Again in the most respectful way possible, it is simply not that real

Lol

[spice surge]

And theres delve trinkets on there

Because you can get them at relevant ilvl through delves

[rotund oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear literally has even the catalyst slots,overall bis gear,what are you talking about dude

[lunar pond]

What enchant are you running before raid weapon enchant

[spice surge]

Anything that doesnt cost 100k

[royal lantern]

its pre-raid, just not any or buy w/e proc enchant is cheap rn

T1 stat procs are like 5k, buy one and be happy

[lunar pond]

Ok, it doesn’t drop and you are running mythic, what then?

[royal lantern]

?? what

[spice surge]

Buy it from the AH?

[royal lantern]

the recipee drops from raid

people will have it in week1 lol

just expensive af

[rotund oak]

does it matter?pick either councils guile or the mastery one,low ranked,the difference is minimal

sim urself

[lunar pond]

Or cost prohibitive

[rotund oak]

they cost 1.5k gold on AH

[spice spire]

Deal without then

[rotund oak]

u done with the wannabe shittalking on a guide?

[shy pecan]

Guy is really upset over non-comprehensive BIS lists huh?

[pliant remnant]

I mean, assa's stat weights are pretty fluid anyway, like how tf do you make a specific "tier list" of weapon enchants when your gear is in flux all the time pre-raid anyway?

[rotund oak]

unreal

[pliant remnant]

Just sim them if you care that much

[desert cove]

bro is gonna hyperoptimize like this and then green parse then complain about rogues

[rotund oak]

bro is toxic af and projects hate even into written guides

[royal lantern]

allright, you guys dont have to go toxic aswell

just saying

[rotund oak]

also true

[spice spire]

Don’t care about the toxicity

Purposefully obtuse questions are just kinda wild

[somber sparrow]

we may be rogues, but not everything has to be laced in toxins

[spice spire]

But yeah let’s not like immediately condemn and toxify even if he sassed my goat (eleem)

[lunar pond]

I made an observation of things missing and you all went on full attack mode defending something you didn’t even create

[rotund oak]

defend what exactly

literally nothing there to defend

u jsut created a strawman and started beating it

[lunar pond]

What would you call it then?

[rotund oak]

delusions of someone that doesnt understand

[shy pecan]

Anyway, BIS lists are just something for SEO and getting clicks for wowhead these days. They’re not actually anything worthwhile because they’re an old concept. Simming is always your most accurate answer.

[royal lantern]

^

like, "BiS " lists are literally

2trinkets

cus there is always a objectively best trinket choice

and maybe enchants/embelishments

everything else is random

and depeends on your gear

[lunar pond]

Understand what?

[royal lantern]

and the problem with enchant/embelishments rn is that they are tuned REALLY weird, so nobody knows 100% what is good or bad

[stray fox]

Aren’t BiS lists still useful? Sims don’t know the optimal path to getting the best gear, they just know what’s best given a set of options (which could lead you down an unoptimal path)

[hearty coral]

for leveling main i should go collecting professions ?

[shy pecan]

Even this becomes preference (e.g Everbloom trinket vs Ashes S3, Grieftorch vs Puzzlebox in S1)

[nova aspen]

oh god the puzzle box

[shy pecan]

They’ve never been useful. You have so many ilvls of gear available these days that they don’t make sense to make a BIS list.

[nova aspen]

ptsd

[spice spire]

It’s just a list of a collective group of items that’s 0.x% better than the next combination.
Lists are important in terms of trinkets (not always obvious which is best) and cantrips but outside of that simming will generally provide the best path to gear anyway

We don’t have breakpoints we just like everything. Some things more, some things less. But that priority changed as you get more stats and different bits

Simming is always best atm

[spice surge]

In general outside of trinkets ilvl is just always the best, and when youre comparing two different items of the same ilvl the difference is typically very small

[stray fox]

Ah yeah I was approaching it from “I want the absolute highest simming gear” angle (not that I do that in game, but if somebody did…)

[spice surge]

For some specs rigns and necks might be valued a bit differently, but not overly so

[spice spire]

I’d say about a dozen people a patch benefit from an assassination bis list

[nova aspen]

i only look at the list to see what tier slot will be my open slot

[shy pecan]

Also, keep in mind BIS lists are also pointless if you never will get certain pieces.

[robust river]

Another note on BIS lists is if they were done perfectly [i.e. this is the max available sim with the max available gear], you would have to have EVERY item on that list in the correct iLVL for it to be relevant AND you would haev to be playing the exact same talents. Swapping 1 item out or one talent and it can throw the entire list out as it would sim different and may suggest replacing other pieces.

[ripe rapids]

So do we want to craft on bracers and belt now instead of bracers and boots?

[rotund oak]

plz no,not the guide,its bad

[robust river]

Can't wait to get no value from Dawnthread cause I'm bad and get hit by everything

[nova aspen]

[royal lantern]

my personal recommendation: WAIT

cus embelishments are really wonky rn

[ripe rapids]

Just wanted to make sure, because the wowhead says boots and bracers are the best but pins say bracerse and belt

[royal lantern]

and many many dont work

we dont know how stuff will look like if they actually fix them

maybe the dagger is good then? maybe 1 of the flat dmg procs actually does dmg? nobody knows

[sharp viper]

I'm waiting for sure, not gonna use the one spark I have way before raid even opens

[lunar pond]

lol you don’t let things go do you. I never said it was bad jfc

[rotund oak]

shhhh

just stop

[blissful bronze]

is there a bis list for assa?

[robust river]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cuddle-cat-cuddle-cat-cuddling-gif-21947726

[rotund oak]

😂

[royal lantern]

@rotund oak @lunar pond do that rn or i will do horrible things to you both

like, hiding your car keys

[rotund oak]

ild never

[sharp viper]

how can they be cute kittens?

can kittens use discord?

[royal lantern]

yes

orange/green/purple names = kitten

proven fact

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-killer-slow-mo-slow-motion-kill-gif-16144093

[royal lantern]

shien even plays one

[sharp viper]

okay but the two persons you tagged don't have such a colored name

[nova aspen]

behold, cat skill

[royal lantern]

yes, they should do kitten hugs

[rotund oak]

definitely a cat using shadowstep

[royal lantern]

btw, i hate that 1 story quest

[nova aspen]

yea thats a sin trying to lock on to a rookery charge bird

[royal lantern]

where you need to collect 6 pheromone thingys from neruibians with a 20year spawn timer

30min, 0/6

[nova aspen]

damn i thought i was unlucky

[spice spire]

Explain why I’m not green then bud

[nova aspen]

20min 1/6

[royal lantern]

you own the kittens

[spice spire]

True

[sharp viper]

don't worry, you'll be rewarded with a bugged cut scene!

[spice spire]

I actually need to level makeitmeow

[rotund oak]

as u walk the 2nd stairs on the right side there is a hole,same as the one we port on azj kahet,in that platform there are enough,i did the campaign in 10min

[royal lantern]

the last cutscene had no sound for me

:c