assassination

[dusty zenith]

You gambled and lost sir

[balmy condor]

you can't choose quality on public orders

[agile wedge]

ah i see

thanks

[dusty zenith]

Just find someone to recraft

[balmy condor]

even if we were, personal crafting orders are by realm so 99% of us wouldn't be able to help anyway

but also you're right that it's a weird place, we don't really allow crafting order requests in here

[deep sorrel]

worth a gamble for tarren mill :d, getting desperate at this point sorry if it's irrelevant

[balmy condor]

was weird in dragonflight

people trying to like sell their stuff in #wow-general

insanely cringe

[dusty zenith]

Personally I hate the new crafting and work order system

[deep sorrel]

mb mb, shot in the dark rly

[balmy condor]

I think the crafting system is super cool

[rare jackal]

!wa

what was the command again

[balmy condor]

that is the command

bot is down

[shy pecan]

Moroes down

Damnit

[runic hinge]

Moroes DEAD

[rare jackal]

oh seven bozo

[runic hinge]

someone killed him and I have one suspect

[shy pecan]

Starts with T ends in ugz

[runic hinge]

It was Stu

[shy pecan]

[rare jackal]

anyone got a good plater profile?

[balmy condor]

no

only bad ones

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

[rare jackal]

thanks babe

[pallid solstice]

!wa

hey whispyr whats the weakaura u use for ur abilities on ur vids

[dusty zenith]

Does that replace luxthos wa?

[royal lantern]

uhm, self Advertisement???

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cat-funny-smite-gif-17567204071102087896

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8

[covert sierra]

anyone know the best embellishment on a 590 weapon?

[pallid solstice]

thank u

[onyx crow]

When do we change out the old tierset ??

[river hawk]

what is that icon bug?

is that normal?

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that looks like cold blood

idk why it's doing that

[river hawk]

okay never use it,

maybe is for that

never put 1 point there

[balmy condor]

I mean you do when you play fatebound

[river hawk]

never do it

im only play MORTACECHADOR

spanish name

YEP

[balmy condor]

wtf

[river hawk]

but the reprimand dont work neither when selected cold blood

hahahaha

[balmy condor]

how are you doing that

[river hawk]

i only put the wa

nothing more

[royal lantern]

every version of the WA is personalised

[river hawk]

its okay, i dont mind to have that there

[balmy condor]

I'm not able to get it to bug out the icon

[river hawk]

i use luxthos

i quit and put ur Wa and that happen

[balmy condor]

I understand

but

I literally cannot get it to do that

both, neither, only one

[river hawk]

i restart the game

[balmy condor]

its working fine

[river hawk]

i see

[dire sparrow]

isnt this trinket pretty good? cant see it on the list on wowhead

[balmy condor]

if it's not on wowhead it's not a season 1 trinket and will be replaced nothing matters until the season releases

[river hawk]

still there

HAHAHA

i update addons

maybe...

nah

i have the best version of ur WA

the bugged one

and i can say all the time, and its not false, ur wa dont work

hahahahaha

u want the WA from exported?

maybe some is diferent

[feral mason]

Is aoe APL not updated yet? feels like its simming way lower than what I actually do

sims around 1.6m no consumables / raid buffs, while average 5target dummies is around 2m-2.1m

[strange python]

I need to download my addons

I currently have none

[humble valley]

Wait, what's the weak aura command again?

-wa

[river hawk]

no bot i think

[prisma coral]

got i wish we could fit in shadowrunner. would have loved a hero talent making deathstalker faster in stealth

[balmy condor]

link the sim

[feral mason]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6cefYjRHaC4AJ8XCqEGxeJ

goofy 1m30 but 1m results in the same

[balmy condor]

looks normal

[feral mason]

but the apl is updated right?

[balmy condor]

is the breakdown wildly different

[balmy condor]

yes

[feral mason]

think my rupture is slightly higher

[balmy condor]

hm

[river hawk]

ur sim, was 5 boss

1 min 30 sec right?

nothing more

[feral mason]

yeah

oh my caustic is absurdly high

wasnt looking

[river hawk]

u have more ilvl than me i sim for idk info

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/96yvstAUoCwbRdnTQcwHmd

[balmy condor]

yeah

that is

wildly

higher

[daring hamlet]

does rupture not have a pandemic window to refresh in like garrote does?

[balmy condor]

it does

30% like everything else

[feral mason]

dummies not functioning properly again probably

lmao

[balmy condor]

well yeh, you turned buffs on

[daring hamlet]

okay, I don't see the pandemic window highlighted like it is for garrote using your plater import

[river hawk]

oh, where?

i see

no buffs

[balmy condor]

oh, strange

[feral mason]

rest of my damage distrib looks fairly normal, it is just caustic

haha

[daring hamlet]

ill check again to make sure but yeah thought maybe there wasn't one at first

was doin things slowly to see what exactly was causing what indicators since i recently swapped to yours

[balmy condor]

oh wtf

the plater

doesn't have rupture in the script anymore

it's tracking the deathmark rupture

[feral mason]

one last thing, is the shiv in aoe opener still right after deathmark with 1 charge? or is it more ideal on 8s remaining on kb

[balmy condor]

you would skip like in the single target one, but it's a lot less important

[tardy egret]

It's gonna be way better if you have have 5T shiv and the pack dies relatively fast

[balmy condor]

no build runs that though

[austere bramble]

u guys think sin or sub will be the better raid spec

[daring hamlet]

I also don't see any specific highlighting on the nameplate for deathmark debuff

[royal lantern]

🔮

mage will be OP

[balmy condor]

you don't see this?

[royal lantern]

thats all my future sight told me

[tough gorge]

I got too lazy to play deathstalker for these dungeon spams. Just playing fatebound and calling in the easier gameplay. Don’t care if damage loss

[daring hamlet]

oh weird that's what I see with rupture only

[balmy condor]

its with both

[strange python]

is there any benefit to focusing a reputation?

[balmy condor]

no

[strange python]

ok coooooool beans ty

[daring hamlet]

ah - so that indicator is used for deathmark and rupture, makes sense - so if I have rupture already applied, I shouldn't see anything different from a coloring perspective when I also then apply deathmark?

[balmy condor]

correct

[solid venture]

without 2nd charge on shiv, do you still use it right after deathmark or at 8 sec before kingsbane ends?

[daring hamlet]

taking out the irrelevant debuffs is so nice lol

[solid venture]

nvm scrolled up and got the answer

[wind falcon]

which Azj-Kahet faction do we want to choose as rog?

[final star]

some one make me an aura that shows scent of blood stacks as 1-5 and not 4-20 please

[daring hamlet]

and there's no specific kingsbane coloring of the nameplate ya?

[solid venture]

just for clarification, you mean that no build runs 1 shiv only for aoe / m+ ?

cuz the hybrid deathstalker build only has one

im a bit confused lol

[balmy condor]

talking about the dude that said arterial

[solid venture]

shiet mb

[balmy condor]

no

your kingsbane/deathmark targets are your caustic targets

it recolors for caustic/deathstalker mark

[queen copper]

hi all, is the bleed rotation the same as all build rotations on wowhead?

[balmy condor]

yes

[queen copper]

thanks @balmy condor , and thanks for all the work on rogue as always

[daring hamlet]

and caustic is just the same as rupture ya? didn't see any different highlighting specific to caustic EDIT: I see, goes green similar to mark

[final star]

I did some colouring for my nameplates cos I'm a chimp

[balmy condor]

np

[balmy condor]

there is no way this is readable

[final star]

I'm just buiilt colourful

[balmy condor]

do you not color mobs as well?

[final star]

No

[wind falcon]

oooo how do i change my plater target to show which target is our caustic/deathmark target?

that would be mega useful!

[daring hamlet]

yeah my bad, I imagine mark just overrides the splatter coloring

[balmy condor]

oh okay then you're chillin

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

scripts

[daring hamlet]

word, it all is sensible, just wanted to make sure i had a sense for it all before i started playing with it

[balmy condor]

[final star]

orange for garrote, blue for rupture, green for both and deathstalkers overrides that

I kept losing my marked target so had to fix that

[wind falcon]

those wouldn't work with a plater profile that already colors nameplates though right?

[final star]

nope

[daring hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-8764636

[final star]

I plan on just using prio scaling nameplates for that instead

cos that works with my monkey brain better

[wind falcon]

im using a plater pack that shows which mobs cast, which should be hard stoped, etc.

[final star]

yeah I can just set the size of those nameplates instead

bigger size more important

[craggy basin]

are any of the dark moon decks worth snagging for early trinkets?

[wind falcon]

what's the script to identify which nameplate has your deathmark?

or am i asking the wrong Q

[onyx rain]

!wa

[wind falcon]

!wa

[onyx rain]

[wind falcon]

I want to incorporate the deathmark thing into my existing plater profile

[daring hamlet]

the only thing im curious about is why rupture/dm have same coloring. will that not be an issue in aoe when i have like 5 ruptures out and for wtvr reason do something and come back and wanna quickly identify which has dm?

ig in practicfe ill just be dm'ing a pretty obvious mob

[balmy condor]

that's what caustic/mark coloring is for

[daring hamlet]

got it makes sense, just follow the prio coloring

[wind falcon]

Whispyr, do you have a plater profile?

[balmy condor]

yes

[wind falcon]

mind linking me to it?

ill give it a whirl

[balmy condor]

I'm fighting the limitations of plater atm kinda cringe

I'll link when I fix this bug

[wind falcon]

$$

[real rain]

!wa

[faint geyser]

Question about caustic spatter - i've noticed it not applying to new targets (after using rupture->mutilate) does anyone know if this is a bug or something?

[balmy condor]

does the target have deadly poison applied

[runic hinge]

It also only goes on one target at a time just so we’re clear

[faint geyser]

hmm i actually havent made sure abt that.. 😅 i'm checking now

yes i just thought it would reapply on a new target

[lyric glen]

dear chat are we going to get nerfed

[runic hinge]

Well it’ll swap if you mutilate something new but I don’t want you to think you have to spread it

[runic hinge]

No

[woven shore]

hay can i find the best rotation for Assa somewhere here?

havent played assa since bfa and im kinda giga lost

[lyric glen]

just follow the 25 step decision tree and you'll be fine

[faint geyser]

okay i think you might be right about the target having deadly poison for it. thank you!

[woven shore]

some guy with 628 gear out damaged me MASSIVELY while i have 567

[woven shore]

you mean the guide on wow head?

[lime fern]

is there a weakaura for nice displacement of combo points also 😄

[velvet cloak]

i have a question about the 1 shiv for aoe spec

when do i shiv for single target? the last 5 sec of kingsbane or what?

[runic hinge]

Last 8 seconds

And then you’ll have a shiv charge to use in between kbs

[plucky forge]

!wa

[velvet cloak]

ok is there a wa that will let me trach the secs left on kb

[full summit]

which nerubian pact should i join

or does it not matter?

[dark token]

pog i got shadow blades as assa

[woven shore]

where do i find that sir

im kind of lost tbh
hope im not interrupting you

[lyric glen]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[quartz halo]

Do wwe keep our old tier set or we change it for ilvl

[woven shore]

thank you

[spice spire]

In case an infographic is needed 🙂

[manic quartz]

set is gonna be disabled. so replace it

[raven egret]

sets will be disabled at lvl 80, just replace

[balmy condor]

I just wanted to record a video today man instead I'm having to fucking code plater scripts I'm gonna slam my cock into my case fan AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[woven shore]

thank you alot!

[spice spire]

Call me your case fan?

[eager solstice]

@balmy condor ok to craft 590 boots this week
?

[lusty thicket]

Might be a question that was answered already but why does my mutilate "cancel" my final deathmarker's mark?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[spice spire]

Was about to ask how you were doing now that deadlines are done.
I see not well

[balmy condor]

I can't have two scripts using rupture as a trigger at the same time, so I need one script that handles multiple things

and juggling all of that and turning them on/off at the correct times

is..... tricky

[spice spire]

You’re a better man than I

[balmy condor]

but I think we getting there

and then maybe I can record video

and then maybe death

hopefully death

[finite yarrow]

ive had this thing happen where i have 1 stack left to proc capstone, but still have capstone buff. when i proc the last one with max cp the buff just disapears. have to vanish to reaply

[balmy condor]

update, pandemic glow is NOT working as intended

[violet island]

I'm trying to figure out if a second spark fragment became available today due to the typical turn-in quest. Can anybody confirm that they've managed to get a full spark today?

[spice spire]

Bless

[manic quartz]

30sec pandemic 😄

[balmy condor]

DUDE I DIDNT EVEN SET UP A GLOW FOR THIS WHERE IS IT COMING FROM

[runic hinge]

Your aura

[wicked dagger]

is there a BiS list for heroics dungeon gear ?

[balmy condor]

no

pre raid bis is cringe and pointless

[feral mason]

pre raid bis is outside

swim trunks and sunglasses

[wicked dagger]

gotchya, so just go for the best stat items, crit mastery etc. ?

[balmy condor]

ilvl is fine

anything ilvl

if you're giga pushing then craft a bunch of 590's this and next week

and flightstone grind to make things 580

and then you can replace all of that when the season launches

[twin plume]

how bad is it to not go ER for m+, i just hate having it

[feral mason]

whispyr is it possible caustic spatter is also doing wayy more damage in dungeons thann in sims?

[wicked dagger]

okay thank you!

[feral mason]

like the dummy issue I talked about earlier, seems the exact same in heroics

[balmy condor]

caustic ain't doing shit for me in dungeons

[main solar]

You can just play fatebound so you can use cold blood instead of ER 🙂

[feral mason]

maybe weekly reset fixed something dk

[balmy condor]

can you log it

[feral mason]

yeah ill go in one now

[daring hamlet]

whatcha changing? seems pretty good from what ive seen

[balmy condor]

fixing that rupture thing you said

[daring hamlet]

oh sorry lol

[balmy condor]

(very hard)

it's like almost working

but then randomly

I get a rupture

that decides it's in pandemic

and I can't for the life of me figure it out

[daring hamlet]

is it something to do with rupture pandemic being diff based on how many combo points were spent on it?

i have no idea i jsut remember seeing a weakaura dedicated to somethin like that

[balmy condor]

nah, plater has no access to player resources

my best guess is that it's the order

but yeh idk

very cringe

[feral mason]

my issue with plater that ive been trying to figure out for a while is with deathmark, trying to hide the cloned garrote/rupture but spell ids seem the exact same

unnecessary clutter to have that on plates though

[balmy condor]

oh that's easy

it's the 360k

[feral mason]

thats the one i whitelist?

[balmy condor]

blacklist

[daring glacier]

Quick questions- i just picked up rogue and went for assassination spec and im still learning everything, what should i prioritize attack wise?

[feral mason]

oh yeah i have it on manual so i have to add the ones i have to see

[feral mason]

When I whitelist the default garrote spell ids it still makes the duplicated 360k ids show up

[balmy condor]

idk

I do everything off of blacklist

[amber sand]

I was reading your guide for the mythic plus build. Could you take Arterial Precisions instead of kingsbane for more AOE dmg.

[balmy condor]

sure

you'd lose your burst

[tacit axle]

any of the darkmoon cards good for sin ?

[balmy condor]

can't really commend it

but if you really want to arterial, go for it

[daring glacier]

this helps a lot, another question, what attacks should i use for point building, for ST and aoe?

[balmy condor]

mutilate/fan of knives

[amber sand]

I wonder what the dps diff would be on dung slice

[balmy condor]

would really recommend you read a guide

[balmy condor]

a large loss

like 2%

[manic quartz]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[balmy condor]

probably more

[amber sand]

Thank you

[daring glacier]

ty

[amber sand]

Ps I enjoyed the Maplestory back ground music on your YouTube video!!!

[balmy condor]

maplestory music is a banger

[magic shuttle]

I've been following the AoE dungeon opener which has shiv right before kingsbane, reading above, should I actually be holding for the last 8s of kingsbane?

[runic prairie]

maple music is goated

[magic shuttle]

since I have 1 shiv with the dungeon talents

[normal mist]

@balmy condor I've noticed that sometimes i consume a mark on the 4 ER cp

(sometimes)

[past forum]

i'm pretty sure i have as well

[normal mist]

doesn't happen on the 3rd

[tall jay]

I’m enjoying your plater whispyr, take your time make your adjustments, make your videos, drink a monster, and have a some fun lol

[balmy condor]

no

[normal mist]

i'll try to replicate it

[oak ember]

is deathstalker in a dungeon the clunkiest thing ever made?

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

exsanguinate existed

[oak ember]

At least you could pretend it wasn't there

[main solar]

I would still prefer exsang over deathstalker, but there's certainly been worse mechanics over the years

[oak ember]

Every dungeon it feels like the mobs aren't stacked so you can't even spread dots that well

[daring hamlet]

yeah this is what might cause the issue - not sure how it calcs pandemic but like garrote has a static pandemic window for example but ruptures pandemic window will vary since its 30% of the duration or wtvr and that duration depends on how many combo points you spent on it, ya?

[mortal badger]

deathstalker sucks

[feral mason]

deathstalker kinda fye

[normal mist]

@balmy condor

skip to like 25+ sec

[daring glacier]

ty for the help guys, i was hitting 30k dps ST and between 80-110k groups, now im hitting around 170k ST and 250k+ groups

[balmy condor]

hate you

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[normal mist]

but it doesnt happen 100% of the time

[nova kelp]

I knew I'd noticed this happening, I couldn't work it out

Figured I was just seeing things

[balmy condor]

yeh that's the same bug with the 3cp er last week

but now it's 4cp

[normal mist]

LOL

[balmy condor]

and it works on the capstone

[feral mason]

incredible

[daring imp]

has anyone been using that "shadowed essence" trinket?

[nova kelp]

yeah, it's pretty good

[feral mason]

alsoi was trying to log it but consecutively got two completely ass caustic dungeons

[amber mountain]

I like it

[feral mason]

doesnt seem to be performing out of the ordinary though

dummies probably just bugged

[daring imp]

i found it to be unusually "okay", i just don't have another one to compare against it @_@"

[nova kelp]

i feel llike it's hard to tell what's good atm though coz in the current dungeons SD just giga nukes everything

[feral mason]

ravenous honey buzzer is funny asf

pretty bad though

[cerulean nest]

thank god skardyns drops off first boss

for farm

[balmy condor]

why is that a thank god

[waxen oyster]

needs to farm that m0 one

[feral mason]

farming preraid bis

[waxen oyster]

[feral mason]

farming it on hc is stupid as fuck

[waxen oyster]

actually wait

[feral mason]

and if you leave on m0 you're a dickhead

[spice surge]

You cant run it on hc rn

[waxen oyster]

you cant

because old expac

[feral mason]

oh its a seasonal one

point still stands ig

[spice surge]

Hcs should be seasonal once the season starts too

Thats what they said atleast

[feral mason]

yeah but why farm it at that point

[spice surge]

[waxen oyster]

m+ players are kind of dented

[tawny pawn]

Guys you think bleed build will still be poggers when dificulty ramps? I feel like although it does some impressive dmg on big packs with low health, we lost a lot of ST dmg and pump potencial for less dense packs that live more

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah that's why people usually don't play bleed in high keys

[woven shore]

what rotation do you do if Deathmark is on cooldown for another minute but kingsbane is up

• echo

[waxen oyster]

Why would you not kb

[woven shore]

spend cd's or wait

[balmy condor]

the exact same but without pressing deathmark

[woven shore]

what is kb

[waxen oyster]

kb is 1min

dm is 2

[woven shore]

ah

kingsbane haha

and how do you play with shiv

only with kb ?

[waxen oyster]

Read whispyr's wowhead guide

[glass spade]

!wa

wa!

help

[spice surge]

Bot is down unfortunately

[glass spade]

ok

[daring glacier]

ty @balmy condor

ive only done abt 30k ST damage before joining this discord

[normal mist]

bro

you beat tom cruise

[feral mason]

and then the one run i dont log again

caustic is tripping

[cold parcel]

agreed

[balmy condor]

well

if you guys ever find a way to reproduce the bug

that would be cool

[feral mason]

ill log all my runs tomorrow to see if theres some diffy

might genuinely just be the pull size in dungeons though

dummies is fucked but if it isnt on NA its probably something they fixed alr

[daring hamlet]

anyone ever have an issue with elemental potion of ultimate power in a macro? I have a macro for it

-made this one just to test it by itself
-but when I put it on my bars it thinks I have no pots
--but I have pots
--and they are ultimate pots

[violet acorn]

test through #showtooltip elemental potion of ultimate power if macro understands that u want to drink potion

[dawn kelp]

Do we CT in st?

[spice surge]

No

[daring hamlet]

well it thinks i have no potions

like the count is 0

i added in that showtooltip line and nothing changed

[violet acorn]

#showtooltip
/use item:191914
/use item:191913
/use item:191912

/use item:191907
/use item:191906
/use item:191905

/use item:191383
/use item:191382
/use item:191381

/use item:191389
/use item:191388
/use item:191387
try this

[daring hamlet]

yeah thinks I have 0 potions

oh weird but when I click, it does use the pot

Which of the codes is for ultimate?

[mystic kettle]

First time playing assassination. Really loving it!

[rough rapids]

how do i get yout deathstalker's mark weakaura please 😛

[normal mist]

I did it with TMW (tell me when) addon

You're probably better off doing a WA for that

[rough rapids]

ok thank you

[rich kayak]

Does anyone have a WA or Plater to show your deathstalkers mark on a mobs health bar, like you can see it over their model and health bar, or change the color of the health bar.

[wanton depot]

!fuu

[mild copper]

Hi guys! Question. (AoE scenario +5 targets) when you apply garrote on a target, you should apply garrote on same target again? Or should I switch to a target without garrote? Same question for rupture

[crystal star]

if you want to be sweaty yes, use a mouseover for diff targ

[brazen oasis]

if its 5 targets, you can garrote the same target again since it is: main target +2 (3) > main target + 2 (5) - so it doesn't matter if you garrote a different target

[edgy crystal]

u guys use icy veins for rotation

[ember leaf]

wowheads guide seems more thorough

[edgy crystal]

@brazen oasis can u make it like ur explaining to a 5 year old monkey , im new

@ember leaf thanks ill read that i guess

[balmy condor]

icyveins guide writer uses information from wowhead guide writer

but we love seli

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8

should work

[woven shore]

what is that

[balmy condor]

oh

that's the wrong link

that's a weakaura

[woven shore]

what is the wa for ?

[balmy condor]

@wind falcon https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi this one is the plater

[balmy condor]

assa rogue?

[woven shore]

aah its your interface ?

[balmy condor]

it says so in the title does it not

yes

[woven shore]

ah i just see its you 😄

i have a question since i didnt see that you mentioned anything about using Shiv

should i use Shiv only in combination with KB ?

[balmy condor]

if you have 2 charges yeah

[woven shore]

and what after full single target rota

when Dm is off

and kb is up
1shiv up?

do kb with shiv and Echo ?

[onyx quiver]

is it worthit to crat a crit/mastery ring now?

[woven shore]

or use echo on cd

[balmy condor]

well if you have 2 charges you always hold for kingsbane, if you have 1 charge you cast it on the last 8 of kingsbane and then on cooldown

[onyx quiver]

or ring is not good to craft since stats are divided

[balmy condor]

what's echoing got to do with it

[balmy condor]

you can craft basically whatever

it's all item level at the end of the day

it'll get replaced in 2 weeks

[woven shore]

i was wondering if i should use it in combination

but it doesnt really matters does it

[balmy condor]

you just use it on cooldown

[woven shore]

okay thank you

❤️

aaah one more small question

[edgy crystal]

@balmy condor do u have an armory link for ur rogue

[novel star]

you can never really guarantee when ur gonna hit the reprimand point afaik

so it doesnt like matter

when u push it

[balmy condor]

I haven't used armory in like 6 years I have no clue

[novel star]

terrible spell

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/whíspyr

[woven shore]

after rotation

big cooldowns out
and energy is running under 100-150 would it be better to try to keep dots up and auto attack
waiting for kb or echo to spend ?

[novel star]

cb is equally cringe honestly both builds are stupid rn

[balmy condor]

would this work?

[edgy crystal]

lemme check

[balmy condor]

you want to maintain uptime on envenom

[balmy condor]

yeh I just dont know what exactly you're looking for

[edgy crystal]

yea works thanks bro

[balmy condor]

np

you gonna log check me?

[woven shore]

crazy logs

my god

[balmy condor]

they're not that good

couple of stinkers in there

[woven shore]

just rank 17 haha

*Just'

[balmy condor]

yeah well

that means there's 16 more to go

[woven shore]

haha

well better than millions haha

[edgy crystal]

[junior aurora]

hes mount checking u

the real endgame

[balmy condor]

I'm cooked

[slate crown]

me too

[balmy condor]

I'm not a collector

[junior aurora]

get shit on

[slate crown]

I have no idea what's going on

[balmy condor]

I'm getting log checked

[junior aurora]

whispyr whipped it out and the guy said there's still 16 better to go

[balmy condor]

yeah that's accurate

I'm a victim

[junior aurora]

hate to see violent crime here in rh

[woven shore]

so
from what ive read on your post
keep garrot and gauge up prio bc energy

and as you said here
envenom uptime

do you mean i should go even under 50energy to even generate combopoints to cast envenom or should i gain +100 energy so i can maybe do a small spender combo with echo or Kb with shiv's

im sorry if some of what im saying makes no sense or you dont understand

[balmy condor]

!pooling

fuvgho;iasderhgp;iousheraw'pgos

I KEEP

[junior aurora]

even moroes said

get rekt

[balmy condor]

^

moroes isn't alive to tell me to go fuck myself

[junior aurora]

moroes has been dead since before tbc started so that checks out

[woven shore]

okay thanks

im playing your Hybrid Talents right now
AND the single target talents

improved my damage BY ALOT with the hybrid

like ALOT

[balmy condor]

that's what it does yeah

[burnt furnace]

Picking up this class from being an outlaw player is so hard, and i find it difficult to learn from guides. When is your m+ guide releasing Whispyr ?

as in video

[balmy condor]

I'm collecting sims

to record

[pliant remnant]

HIYA

Sim collector here

[balmy condor]

problem is just there is frankly WAY too much shit going on

[edgy crystal]

play dota in the mean time while server is down

[balmy condor]

servers are up

my mental isn't

[sick sail]

yea can’t wait for the war within guides. Haven’t played yet due to scheduling but assa looks fun AF

[edgy crystal]

my dps is so bad i need to learn all this stuff

[cold parcel]

how did you get access to his hybrid build? I am curious to try it

[balmy condor]

he opened wowhead

[edgy crystal]

wtf is a hybrid build

[balmy condor]

we have too many viable builds

so for m+ we've separated them out into 3 archetypes

bleed, hybrid, cleave

[slate crown]

I've barely played the game because I've been whiplashing between 3-4 different crafters learning new things and just not actually engaging in anything outside of town. cross comparing spreadsheets and shit, researching avenues of getting mroe AA, I prepared a bit for the launch but not enough clearly. My mental is scrambled too

[spice spire]

Okay nerd chill

(It’s a lot I’m sorry)

[sick sail]

hmmm it’s cool there are 3 different builds

[cold parcel]

lol just found it under builds.. I was looking under talents before and it wasnt there

[balmy condor]

3 build archetypes*

there's like

[sick sail]

bleeds sound like the strongest m?

[balmy condor]

probably 36 + builds

[sick sail]

Thanks for putting the time whispyr

[balmy condor]

hybrid is the go to for basically every key level

[edgy crystal]

ok bro im done

[sick sail]

appreciate ya

[balmy condor]

it's not my fault man

[sick sail]

ok hybrid it is, trusting the master ty

dude sounds like my patients at my job, upset they have a 10 dollar copay for a cleaning lmfao

[junior aurora]

no thats how many chambers there are

[sick sail]

I’m happy the spec isn’t easy

[edgy crystal]

[sick sail]

but i’m also casual so it’ll be hard. Won’t play any other spec tho

[balmy condor]

it's not my fault that all of these are somehow within 1.5% of each other

what am I supposed to do about that

[tall rose]

Is asssass currently better than Ret? I see alot of ret players but not alot of rogues.

[sick sail]

No that’s good bro

[runic hinge]

NO KB

[junior aurora]

cringe

[onyx quiver]

the current build u are using there is your m+ talents?

[balmy condor]

ret has insanely high play rate, rogue has insanely low play rate

[balmy condor]

uh

[runic hinge]

There are more rets than there are all 3 rogue specs

[spice spire]

Fatebound heroics

Bless

[balmy condor]

yeah but I play fatebound, deathstalker just for testing

[cold parcel]

your hybrid si suggesting ER and the point underneath.. I tried that and tried with with a point in without a trace and it seemed to work better for me... the bugged ER I feel is just absolute garbage

[balmy condor]

ok

[tall rose]

Doesnt mean its better. Was curious which one is performing better at the start. Havent heard much about either.

[sick sail]

so fatebound and hybrid prob good start for newbs like me

[edgy crystal]

havnet played fatebound yet

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, no one knows what's better or worse currently, I'm just telling you that you'll see infinitely more rets simply because there are infinitely more rets

[edgy crystal]

i tried hybrid seems good

[balmy condor]

yeah that's what I've been playing since launch

[sick sail]

I like passive stuff

[sick sail]

awesome! Thanks

[woven shore]

wowhead

[deep sorrel]

whyspir, quick q, your guide sais to craft in order of bracers > boots, but isn't this clashing with the rep boots from council at 16?

[sick sail]

Life is tough with a hard schedule so I love how easy you all make this spec for me

[deep sorrel]

wouldn't bracer > belt be better or am I missing something

[balmy condor]

the rep boots from council that you're replacing the moment m+ goes live? yeah I guess that does clash man shiiiiiiiiiiii

[woven shore]

i had another rogue on my team he had 43 less item level than me and he managed to absolutely OUT DMG me by far so i asked him where he got his build from WOWHEAD he said hahaha

[deep sorrel]

sure but u get 1 spark per week right?

[balmy condor]

you get half a spark

[deep sorrel]

so first craft will be when heroic goes live?

[balmy condor]

well you just recraft

but heroic week is 2nd craft I believe

[edgy crystal]

why is mythic + in 3 weeks

whats haoppenig

[woven shore]

sooo. whisp
there's this deadeye lense or what the name is and the other Mythic dungeon Trinket

they will be better doesnt matter if you drop a raid trinket ?

BiS

[balmy condor]

well this is launch week, heroic dungeons are out, then nothing next week, and then heroic raid week, and then mythic raid with m+

[woven shore]

cant wait for this 5000crit wtf X:X

[balmy condor]

for reasons idk

[balmy condor]

yeah

[woven shore]

remembered that from BfA

Outlaw rogue was so fun >;(

[deep sorrel]

im hella confused, did everyone already have a half pre reset?

[balmy condor]

you get a full this week

and then a half

[deep sorrel]

ohh

[balmy condor]

so full + half + half

is 2 crafts for heroic

[deep sorrel]

yea yea im with you

[balmy condor]

but yeh the renown shit is all bait

[woven shore]

yes i thought the same

[deep sorrel]

yea i think so but we raid on wednesday once reset happens

[balmy condor]

perfect

[deep sorrel]

and im thinking to enter highest ilvl possible

[balmy condor]

that gives you all of tuesday to slam your face into m+

[woven shore]

i farmed revown for 1 whole day

[balmy condor]

well

m0

[deep sorrel]

so idk if i will have time to replace with m0

[balmy condor]

but close enough

[deep sorrel]

im eu though, so like for me reset is happening rn

[woven shore]

and then when heroic came out i realised that the Heroic gear outshines it

[balmy condor]

oh

[woven shore]

thanks for nothing

[balmy condor]

yeah idk

I think the best you can do for heroic week

is you craft 2 pieces of 590

doesn't really matter which

[woven shore]

really ?

isnt weapons best choice

[balmy condor]

and then you just 580 all your heroic gear

[deep sorrel]

i made dagger, will create bracer with shard

but dagger wasnt with spark

[woven shore]

since dropping wep from m+ will be hard duo to daily lock

[deep sorrel]

so its like the downgraded version with crest or w/e

[balmy condor]

you just get a weapon man idk

that dropped off of a rare mob for me on like day 2 of early access

[deep sorrel]

cus i can equip 3 pieces of crafted right

[balmy condor]

or get a dagger from heroic

[balmy condor]

as many crafted as you want, max 2 embellish

[deep sorrel]

oh ye so i will just do

crafted dagger with crest

• bracer + boots/ belt with new currency whatever its clled

[woven shore]

well... today was the first day i actually dropped just dropped a weapon

20 m+ around 10 shoulders later

[balmy condor]

I've probably vendored like 7 or 8 daggers at this point

[woven shore]

my luck was horrible af

[deep sorrel]

i crafted wep no embellish anyway bcs i think dreamthread looks better and the proc chances on weapon are not clear so

[woven shore]

XDDD

i hate you

[balmy condor]

I got an offhand with speed

[deep sorrel]

jigachad

i see u r too a darkmoon card enjoyer

[woven shore]

ive been praying for daggers

[deep sorrel]

that trinket just doesn't drop lol

[woven shore]

but guess what

i already have like 6-8 pieces of gear for my Death knight

everything 467 - 471

[deep sorrel]

idk how u playing 2 chars

[woven shore]

including a weapon

BUT no dagger ofc

[deep sorrel]

i am still flying around whole of new zones listening to granny kobold tell me about her candle stories

so i can get +150 rep

[woven shore]

i dont XD
rogue is i lvl 667
DK is lv 70 hahaha

[deep sorrel]

ah ok

[woven shore]

and since i found out today that next week NOTHING wcomes out i will play slow

i was stressing myself out to get high gs for raid

[woven shore]

god i dont want to hear that

if i think back of renown farming i will lose my mind

forcing myself to grind first 70-80 on last sunday for like 14hours was the worst BUT farming renown quests NOT knowing if i will get 500 rep was the worst

[deep sorrel]

really it took u 14 hrs?

for me it was like 6 but i did dungeon from 76-80 and i didn't watch more than a collective 3 seconds of cinematics

nor do i have any idea of what is happening in the war within

so maybe i took an L

[woven shore]

7:30am -12am UI configurations and Abilities XDDD

12:00am sunday - 5am monday

okay longer

[balmy condor]

interesting flex to say you don't play the game

[woven shore]

XDDDDDDDDDD

[deep sorrel]

surely i can't be the only person to speedrun skip cinematics

[balmy condor]

I mean you're not but also like why

[woven shore]

wtf i level 10 levels for 17 hours what is wrong with me

and i really dont know why i was so slow

[glass spade]

Is anyone else struggling using deathstalkers mark in dungeons? It feels very clunky.. I have to open from stealth and it applies it to the target I engage with, but I’m supposed to be applying bleeds to everyone else in the pack, and then I’m supposed to go back to the original enemy to finish the DS mark?

[deep sorrel]

was scared servers would blow up and quests would be impossible to finish so i tried to run away from everyone on launch

[woven shore]

i think one reason was because im from EU Playing on US Area 52 and people were sleeping at the time when i finished story and wanted to rush dungeons

[deep sorrel]

i feel like i have to open from stealth anyway or its rly hard to play

but i just ambush first button rather than garrote

[woven shore]

there are mousse over macros and stuff

you can go over different enemys press rapture for example and it will apply on them

i think its important for idiots like me who are too lazy to fix nameplates so i dont missclick or get lost under 20 enemy pulls lol

[deep sorrel]

i think it does feel awkward in heroic right now though

most pulls are 20+ mobs, and then by the time u finish bleeds ur marked target is almost dedge

[arctic crown]

Anyone knows whats the bests embellishments?

[woven shore]

this

feels akward to play assa tbh xd

[novel star]

need m+ so bad

20 min heroic queue is unbearable

[woven shore]

i run out of energy so often and my tank just keeps pulling and pulling and i cant apply my dots and just lose millions of dps xD

[balmy condor]

dawnthread, read guides they help

[woven shore]

only 20 ?

[novel star]

[arctic crown]

The icy veins guide just say that they were bugged in beta

[balmy condor]

yeah praise be m+ so we can go from people complaining about 20 min heroic queues to people complaining about getting declined in group finder for 2 hours

WAHOO

[novel star]

i mean at least you can get in low keys for rio and shit

to have some small amount of influence

heroic is pure gamba

feels worse to me

[woven shore]

oh god please
i dont want to read this

[deep sorrel]

@novel star if u find healer friend q is almost instant :D

[woven shore]

i will cry

[balmy condor]

that's wild to me

pugging m+ is by far the most miserable thing I've ever done in world of warcraft

[woven shore]

XDDDDDD

[deep sorrel]

prefer raid also

[woven shore]

one of two reasons i quit wow after new expensions

[deep sorrel]

m+ is nice for maybe 2 runs then i am bored

[edgy crystal]

[balmy condor]

heroic queue I just sit there and wait for the queue to pop and go mining or something

m+ queue you just sit in town

and get spam declined

over and over

[woven shore]

but why

[balmy condor]

wdym but why

that's the m+ community

[deep sorrel]

play aug dragon and prepare for invites

the master plan

[novel star]

its definitely bad lol but idk it feels slightly less hopeless

[woven shore]

gotta find a m+ community group

[balmy condor]

if you're not playing exactly one of the 6-7 "good" specs

you're shit

and should die

and never queue

[novel star]

then again all of my dragonflight grind was on havoc

[balmy condor]

cause you're just fucking over my key

reeeeeeee

[novel star]

so like

[woven shore]

i had one back then in Shadowlands
it was so nice wow

[deep sorrel]

our spec is almost in the 6-7 this expac tho no?

[novel star]

prolly bias there

[deep sorrel]

problem solved

[woven shore]

so basically Rogue?

[balmy condor]

up for debate

but also like

[novel star]

arent outlaw and sub kinda dog

[balmy condor]

who knows what tuning brings

[woven shore]

do you believe that Rogue will be one of the good classes this Expansion ?

'Good'

[deep sorrel]

rogue is always decent

[woven shore]

yes BUT

[balmy condor]

lemme ask god

god said ask my crystal ball

my crystal ball said you're on your own

[woven shore]

from my experience
people ALWAYS want

Mage, Druids

Priest

Dh tank

[balmy condor]

it would be easier for me to predict a hurricane than it would be for me to predict m+ meta

[deep sorrel]

well boomkin blows last i checked

[novel star]

you can never just assume these things before the meta has already established itself

[woven shore]

if i hold her gently will she stay by my side 😦

[novel star]

who the fuck predicted guardian druid to be S+ tier in the beta

noone

[deep sorrel]

no one i think

[novel star]

you can never predict wow meta

lmao

[balmy condor]

holy shit I'm rerolling guardian RIGHT NOW GO GO GO GO GO NEED TO BE READY FOR M+ RELEASE

[deep sorrel]

another reason why i prefer raid > m+

ur class can be terrible but logs still give sense of competition

[novel star]

then wait for them to panic nerf and we get another 2 years of vdh

[woven shore]

lmfao

[novel star]

rip your gold on all the crafted gear youve already bought for no reason

[woven shore]

Fire mage sitting in the corner crying

aah yes good old Flamestrike

[junior aurora]

in 6 months when it drops

[woven shore]

[junior aurora]

plenty time

[manic harness]

Deathstalker or Fatebound for Assassination?

[onyx quiver]

Hard to prsctice rotstion now in dungeons. Tanks are pulling everything

How long does this usually go on?

[fickle girder]

Until m+ lol

Practice your rotation on target dummies

[onyx quiver]

M+ is coming out tomorrow right?

[fickle girder]

No

11th

[onyx quiver]

How abot mythic zero?

[drifting cloud]

m+ is on the 17th, m0 is on the 10th

[icy osprey]

isn't 11th m0 and m+ 18th

[onyx quiver]

So nothing to do much until the 11th?

[fickle girder]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[icy osprey]

heroics basically

[onyx quiver]

Is there any point for heroics aside from the gear?

[icy osprey]

i suppose you could stock up on valor points for m0 release

[fickle girder]

Spam heroics, upgrade gear with valorstones while staying near cap, do your weeklies, farm mats, level alts, that's about it

[onyx quiver]

Hmm itms quite ghoulish

[silk bane]

can you guys see another rogues deathstalker mark on a target?

like the little pink purple thingy on the targets head

I could see a sin rogues in a key i just did

[balmy condor]

yeah

you see the visual

[silk bane]

huh thats neat ig

[wind falcon]

@balmy condor any progress on the Plater profile?

[balmy condor]

pinged you earlier king

[wind falcon]

weird, disappeared

[balmy condor]

I got you

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

[wind falcon]

beeeeeassssttttt

[fickle lotus]

Does anyone have a link to the spreadsheet with all the rogue bugs or is it not currently updated?

[wind falcon]

im my my ww monk now but will check it out 😄

[thorn crater]

for some reason the plater brought up a vertical bar with a huge question mark icon on bottom

[fickle girder]

Check pins

[fickle lotus]

link is dead in pins 😭

[fickle girder]

Oh it's just a screenshot

[balmy condor]

[fickle girder]

Yeah rip

[fickle girder]

I think most of them were fixed anyway

[thorn crater]

ill send you a photo later, its 5am here now lol

[balmy condor]

and now it isn't

[fickle lotus]

goated with the sauce ty

[topaz parrot]

Guys, have you already thought about the first spark? what to craft?

[thorn crater]

just started yday and im chillin with leveling for now

[dusty zenith]

Me over here trying to find the right talents to run still

[desert cove]

anyone able to figure out which bug this fixed yet?

[balmy condor]

none

we didn't consider that a bug

[desert cove]

nice

glad to see blizzard has their priorities in order

[south lava]

Which flask should we use?
Mastery one? Or secondary stats one

[runic hinge]

I’m just glad they’re looking at deathstalker bugs at all

[balmy condor]

chaos

[desert cove]

I agree, but I wish they would push a fix for echoing reprimand not counting towards mark or darkest night outside of the weird edge case on the 3rd cp

[south lava]

For both m+ and raid?

[runic hinge]

Maybe it’s complicated

[balmy condor]

yes

[south lava]

Thank you

[desert cove]

it might be, but at the same time I don't think that's a very good excuse when rogue got little to no changes over the course of beta

[brittle quail]

this kind of fixes when every spec as a long list of bug makes me want to cry

[desert cove]

so you would think that b/c of that they would've been able to fix bugs faster

[brittle quail]

fix outlaw being able to use CD that do nothing

[runic hinge]

I’m not gonna pretend I know what their bug catching and fixing looks like for a 20 year old game.

[desert cove]

yeah that's a fair point

[brittle quail]

its not a question of bug catching, most annoying bug that are present are all found by player just look between assa and outlaw there is too much

they just dont have the ressources to fix them

small indie company

[haughty flicker]

yeah idk why people are expecting blizzard to fix these bugs

they only have multiple dollars

[whole steeple]

whats crazy is i was just about to ask for something like this

[balmy condor]

that is crazy

[violet island]

that is so crazy

[hollow blade]

!wa

[balmy condor]

bot dead

[hollow blade]

oof

[balmy condor]

use search

[hollow blade]

kk ty

[balmy condor]

discord had an outage and moroes never recovered

F to the boy

[brittle quail]

honestly we need to ask asmon to shit on the game one more time by showing him how long some cd just don't work at all and pray it get enough traction to get fixed

at this point i have no hope

[balmy condor]

okay but on the other hand

[brittle quail]

F bot

[balmy condor]

we don't need to ask asmon anything

cause holy hell that guy is off the deep end

[brittle quail]

for sure

but enough traction get things fixed

and he as a lot of it

[stray fox]

with deathstalker and er, do you bother trying to to hit any of the empowered 3 and 4 cps?

[balmy condor]

every now and then a clip of his curses my eyes and incredibly it's both the most insane shit I've ever heard but also somehow a completely expected talking point given his views

[brittle quail]

xD

[balmy condor]

when they get fixed, you will want to hit them yes

but "trying to hit" is finnicky

you don't actually do anything different for the cp

they just happen

[hasty gate]

tried to import this and it isnt working

[brittle quail]

yeah thats usually what happens with every rogue spec if you take er

[stray fox]

ah yeah, i was wondering since it reduces the darkest night frequency

[balmy condor]

for a second I thought your name was Izen and my blood pressure SKYROCKETED lmao

what's the error

[hasty gate]

im idiot is th error

[balmy condor]

should be increasing it but alas, bugs

[hasty gate]

tried to post in WA and not plater

fucking my day

[balmy condor]

so is the real izen

[stray fox]

so it's just a tradeoff and hitting ER cps when empowered is overall better? sadge

[brittle quail]

wow

that escalated quickly x)

[stray fox]

darkest night is fun

[hasty gate]

if that someone else not sure but i dont really stream any more

[whole steeple]

whispyr senpai when are you dropping that A to Z m+ sin rogue rotation ❤️

[balmy condor]

let me know how it goes though

[balmy condor]

wheeps softly

[somber dove]

please tell me sin is doing good enough numbers in m+ and raid, if I have to play outlaw imma shadowstep out my window

[balmy condor]

yeah it's good

[whole steeple]

😮

[brittle quail]

everu rogue sped seems good

[balmy condor]

yeah that is, I just read the name wrong

you're a king

[whole steeple]

im struggling heavy lool I cant learn from reading guides i need to be told haha

[balmy condor]

I am trying to conceive of a way to keep the video under 2 hours

and failing miserably

[brittle quail]

but currently content dying too fast i get the most performance from outlaw but i have no doubt it will change

[whole steeple]

brother I will take that 2 hours

and play it on repeat while I sleep[

[balmy condor]

yeh that REM sleep learning

poggin

[runic hinge]

Release at 1.5x speed

[brittle quail]

solution : 2 video
basic rotation opener burst

and the other every optimisation you can think of ?

[balmy condor]

yeah... not that easy

it'll be chaptered

will be fine

copium

[brittle quail]

yeah i know x) i'm just saying that for the algorithm

[balmy condor]

yeh idc bout the algorithm much

if I were doing it for money or whatever I'd be releasing like 25 videos

[brittle quail]

true

[balmy condor]

but I don't care and that's too much work

I'm a lazy mfer

[brittle quail]

but at the same time if more people see your video

more people will try to play correctly and not be weight in my keys x)

[nova flax]

!fuu

[balmy condor]

yeh but then some streamer is going to say some dumb shit and wreck all the info I just gave

it's the cycle of life and death

[brittle quail]

yeah

[fickle girder]

What about the Echo guides on Maxroll?

[brittle quail]

idk if you do it but do you link this discord or advise to come for people who want to progress ?

[deep sorrel]

soo the reset happened

where my spark at

[violet island]

is there a #wowheadnews channel

[echo blaze]

do the weekly

[violet island]

yeah

there

[deep sorrel]

wheres it at?

[fresh kelp]

Should I be saving my coffer keys until heroic week?

[violet island]

#wowheadnews has that info

[violet island]

yes

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

yes

[echo blaze]

in donogal by the inn

[fickle girder]

[balmy condor]

good one

[deep sorrel]

yea im here, no weekly though

[deep sorrel]

i think im dumb, pretty sure the weekly reset is at 8am not after maintenance

[rose needle]

What's the best flask for us? Wow head said alchemical but isn't vers kinda bad?

[balmy condor]

alchemical is best cause of the potion

[rose needle]

So in theory if I really wanted to min Max would I keep taking alchemical flasks until I get crit or mastery and then use my pre pots to further those stats?

[echo blaze]

oh if you are dirty EU player, then yeah. 😄

[balmy condor]

what

no

the alchemical flask cycles on its own

but it doesn't count for any of the 4 stats

so your potion gives you all 4 secondaries

if you use a vers flask, your potion would give you crit/mast/haste, and not vers

if you use a crit flask, your potion would give you everything except crit

etc etc

so alchemical is just better potion

[rose needle]

Ah understood, thanks!

[balmy condor]

np

[worn badger]

hah , droptomizer telling me to get the bee mount trinket for a 25k increase, vs 17k for sacbrood, i dont even care if its less dps i want to ride a giant fire bee