assassination

[tropic tundra]

I like its visual effect tho

cosmic damage

[balmy condor]

what'

[rotund oak]

deathstalker is much more interesting to me,i like it more but fatebound is solid as well

does dmg

[thorn crater]

i dno deathstalker makes sense in my mind

[waxen oyster]

I guess you if you have downtime

and 5+ points to send on snd

you can snd to preserve high coin stacks

maybe?

[thorn crater]

its like reapplying poison/bleeds on a target to deal more dmg

[tropic tundra]

maybe(maybe)

[balmy condor]

you realize there's no visual for the tails flip right

[tropic tundra]

wait really, I saw that purple-blue-ish explosions

was it the new trinket

[thorn crater]

nerute sent here from DHcord to trigger whispyr im callling it noow

[whole sand]

they didn't have the budget for that

[thorn crater]

LUL

[tropic tundra]

that really sucks

[brisk plank]

so deathstalkers mark never completely disappears after the first application with ambush? you dont ever have to reapply it using ambush from stealth on next packs etc?

[shy pecan]

The voices were telling me that there were visuals for tails

[balmy condor]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[waxen oyster]

I mean you can track coin stacks

if you wanna get sad

when you have 8+ and flip the other

[tropic tundra]

something like fyralath drop chance tracker

[waxen oyster]

Like it doesnt impact your gameplay

it just makes your mood worse

[whole sand]

is it not worth tracking for double jeopardy? or is that a waste of a vanish

[nimble tartan]

when u say run 2/2 lethality does that mean just dropping resounding clarity..

[balmy condor]

you're going to vanish for deathmark anyway

so

idk

what would you get out of tracking double jeopardy

[balmy condor]

yes

[nimble tartan]

tyy

[whole sand]

yeah, no you're right, its literally pointless

[fresh coyote]

Whispyr, sorry to bug you again (and if this is a stupid question), but in your non burst windows (M+), do you just have to keep rupture on 5+ targets, Crimson Tempest up and Envenom the extra cbs and that's virtually it?

[whole sand]

what a hero talent

[tropic tundra]

if you get that feeling, go check out wildstalker

[balmy condor]

yeah

[grim jay]

Just deal with the situation thats present. If it drops for whatever reason, press ambush. It can drop due to bad play

[balmy condor]

you wanna garrote at minimum your caustic target obviously

but yeh, you got it

[fresh coyote]

Garrote on one target for Caustic, yeah, but you odn't need to try garrote every target, 6 seconds at a time, no? Haha

[balmy condor]

no

[fresh coyote]

Okay, thank you!!

[balmy condor]

the unempowered garrotes

are pretty meh

you'd only cast them if you SUPER need the energy

but with 5 ruptures and your main target garrote

you shouldn't really need it

[waxen oyster]

at least ruptures give scent

[balmy condor]

yeh sims don't bother with rupture after scent cap

[fresh coyote]

Ah yeah, okay! So garrote on main with rupture on same target + 4 others and should be fine.

Crim is also prio, right?

[balmy condor]

with deathstalker I guess yeah

I haven't really looked into hyperoptimizing prio yet

was waiting on tuning to be done

[grim jay]

Catering....

[fresh coyote]

That's fair. It is very early in the expan. 😅 What you've done so far has been super helpful, btw!

[balmy condor]

sanguine blades not working with singular focus for example is a bit rough

that'll potentially change priority damage values

also singular focus working with mastery and such

lots of variables in taht regard

[fresh coyote]

Sounds complex asf; ngl. 😭

To figure it all out, that is

[balmy condor]

it's a bit finnicky

[fallen arch]

Make sb great again

[grim jay]

Shadowblades?

[sharp trellis]

I know it's could be a little bit too early but any good weak aura recommendation with update tracking of kingsbane and capstone ?

[spring socket]

whispyrs pack is aight at the moment

[balmy condor]

just aight

[spring socket]

ive had better

had worse aswell

[grim jay]

Brother just woke up

And chose violence

[spring socket]

he he was catching up and reading about echo had me chuckling

[grim jay]

I like it and use it if it helps you. The other WAs are just way too big for my UI

[spring socket]

i use it i need all help i can get

[balmy condor]

double the size of my wa

got it

[grim jay]

Even tho I stole liss's darkest night Cp thingy

[cinder grotto]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

lis has some weird darkest night tech?

[grim jay]

It basically charges the Max Cp purple if DN is up

[balmy condor]

hm

[grim jay]

Like anima charged, only purple

[spring socket]

hope they fix it soon

[balmy condor]

that's a reasonable idea

I could do that

[spring socket]

wish we had more visuals for the hero talents their a bit meh

[grim jay]

I think its pretty good, actually better than a separate buff symbol imo, because I personally look at my Cp anyways

[royal lantern]

do the same for your ass aswell

[shy pecan]

Whoa

[balmy condor]

[shy pecan]

[spring socket]

got weird

[balmy condor]

tryan likes his femboys thick

[royal lantern]

its monday and i had ~4hours sleep, the takes will be more stupid then ussual

[grim jay]

Is that possible tho

[royal lantern]

not really

[shy pecan]

the takes will be more stupid then ussual

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

The takes will th ussual

That was cooked brother

[manic coral]

Whispyr do you know when will you have time to release the m+ guide on youtube?

[balmy condor]

tomorrow

[manic coral]

oh nice, thank you

[spring socket]

so we r dropping resounding Clarity for x2 lethality

?

[balmy condor]

ye

[grim jay]

Cant wait to link it in Mr Zs chat

So he can see some actual Art

[rotund oak]

💀

[balmy condor]

💀

[sharp trellis]

Just got Whispyr WA . How can i desactivate the deathstalker mark while Capstone is actif ?

[grim jay]

I got hit with some m+ andy takes yesterday and it wasnt fun

So I gotta give smth back to the community

[rotund oak]

if u dont wanna see it at all just delete the specific aura in the package

else deactivate from spec specific display

[grim jay]

I mean its not wrong for it to show. It just means you need to apply marks

[rotund oak]

yeah 10/10 but the man asked..

whispyr plater is godmode btw

high value to just not use

[sharp trellis]

yeah but it show even while capstone is actif lol

[spring socket]

it doesnt

[balmy condor]

my wa specifically hides the mark when capstone is active

[rotund oak]

u can create a condition

[balmy condor]

that's something I added

[spring socket]

yeah just checked it doesnt

just shows the cap

[rotund oak]

why is the man asking

[sharp trellis]

Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit this one ?

[rotund oak]

am i missing something

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim jay]

@balmy condor as an m+ andy take connoisseur, how cooked would you say is the take that BP on sub is padding and every sub was padding in every dungeon, so its really good that BP sucks for aoe?

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Imagine, every class can do aoe, but if a rogue does it its padding. Guess why? Because we can funnel

[balmy condor]

I mean look

I get that aoe sometimes is padding

like in raid fights with a boss and adds

[full summit]

which aoe is simming higher atm>

[balmy condor]

that often is pad

[full summit]

am i dumb theres only 1 aoe hahaha

[balmy condor]

but like, it's m+

[full summit]

(im losing my fucking mind)

[balmy condor]

1 aoe?

[keen spruce]

[full summit]

on wowhead the build

im losing my mind

ignore me

[sharp trellis]

but i don't get it , the one on right side of the screen isn't your's ?

[spring socket]

thats not his

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

yeh that is for sure not mine

[grim jay]

I think its that degeneracy that people think rogue = giga funnel and ever mob in a pack needs to die at the same time, which is the rogues job

[balmy condor]

the energy/combo point bar

looks nothing like that

that's edited

but regardless

you can add a condition if you don't want to see that

[grim jay]

Dont listen to Whispyr
You cant add conditions, you must use his WA

Jokes aside, I would if they are already similar

[sharp trellis]

What the condition set up ? ( sorry )

[grim jay]

And whispyrs gets updated frequently

[waxen oyster]

oh @balmy condor the raid build on the talents page still has sanguine blades

compared to the "quick" one that has vicious venoms

[hot fulcrum]

Want to clarify small question.
I have a darkest night proc and I'm going into boss fight. So I have 2 options: Consume proc or just simply start with ambush since I have stealth available.
Both will apply mark (our main goal). But is there any difference? Should I consume proc for some reason as prio over just ambush?

[spring socket]

depends how many cps going into fight surely

[grim jay]

The difference is that darkest night will refresh the marks of your ambush unless you dont hit it, which might happen and it takes longer to cycle

Also using a dead skill

(ambush)

[hot fulcrum]

I don't think I'll come into boss with 7cp 🙂

[cunning needle]

this still triggers memories of shadowlands where i had to funnel

Meanwhile the destro warlock is just dropping down infernals and rain of fire doing more damage to the mob that i'm funneling into

[spring socket]

u wont have DN either

[grim jay]

Just do your darkest night opener

If you have it

[grim jay]

Its literally a remnant from ancient times. Like the situations where funneling is actually better are pretty rare, even more so without bolstering

More often than not its other people wanting to "pad"

So they dont want you to steal their dmg

[hot fulcrum]

Last but not least.
If I have a proc and apply marks with ambush will it remove proc buff? Or it will remain even I've already have marks applied from ambush?

[rotund oak]

does he though

[grim jay]

The proc doesnt interact with deathstalker as you arent stealthed

[waxen oyster]

Problem is

[grim jay]

Dont they even rain of fire on ST now?

[waxen oyster]

one streamer says it

and the sheep follow

Streaming is a terrible thing

[grim jay]

So real

[cunning needle]

streamers suck

imagine streaming

wouldnt be anyone here

[runic hinge]

I won't imagine it

[grim jay]

The amount of bad takes from m+ streamers is wild

And people follow them religiously

[cunning needle]

itspushweek.mp4

[waxen oyster]

Well

streaming wow in general

is pretty cooked

[tropic tundra]

how about watching wow stream

[waxen oyster]

probably one of the worst games if you want to make a viewership streaming

[tropic tundra]

its my best way to fall asleep

[waxen oyster]

worse honestly

[grim jay]

One heal in my guild is so down bad, I wouldnt even be surprised if he had a Dorki pillow

[waxen oyster]

why dorki

[tropic tundra]

[waxen oyster]

thought healers jerked off automaticjak

[cunning needle]

yeah wow sucks for streaming. people who have no idea how about wow can't watch it

like you try and watch some wow pvp championships

and youre just watching dudes run around with shitty animations happening

and running behind pillars

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure wow pvp

[grim jay]

Because he is their m+ god for overall knowledge on all the specs

[waxen oyster]

doesnt even get above 3 digits

in viewers

[cunning needle]

yeah

[grim jay]

Bajheera alone is higher tho

[cunning needle]

pikaboo gets a few thousand but he's acutally entertaining

[grim jay]

On average it wont

[waxen oyster]

pika is a personality more than player

hes good but hes effectively dunking on people

at the bottom of the ladder

[cunning needle]

somehow made smurfing enjoyable to watch

[rotund oak]

its more like going above SF with aoe,sounds pretty farfetched to me

i think only one class can do that now,its the mage

[waxen oyster]

i heard hes tried multiclassing lately

he used to get memed for being an otp where his team tries to play other classes

then proceed to get 3-0ed in 1 minute games.

[grim jay]

SF?

[rotund oak]

singular focus..

thats the funnel

[cunning needle]

shadow focus?

[rotund oak]

what

[grim jay]

They literally mean stuff like

Fok/storm - > evis/env

Instead of bp

Or whatever one could rather invest in St

[waxen oyster]

The problem is the playerbase see niche scenarios that the top 1% players do

and think it applies to their

last month CE guild strat

[grim jay]

But its m+

There is no CE

[waxen oyster]

oh m+ is worse

[grim jay]

[waxen oyster]

because you know these mfs be doing weekly vaults

or at best 1-2 key levels above

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

The issues usually come from those with high rio tho

(which they mainly have bcs of time investment in those cases)

[waxen oyster]

Here's the thing though

Is rio really an indicator of skill

or time spent

Because there's alot of good players who don't care for it.

[cunning needle]

both

[grim jay]

Its roughly like raiding. Doing shit 5-7 days a week majorly lowers required skill

There are some that guaranteed are only as high as they are bcs they do 20 keys a day

[cunning needle]

honestly raiding is also a bit like that as well

[waxen oyster]

Raiding you can go by pull counts etc

[cunning needle]

just throw time against the wall

[waxen oyster]

But then it often comes with an officer core

[cunning needle]

and hope your raid team doesnt implode

[waxen oyster]

that preps alot outside

[terse orchid]

Raiding is even more so. The biggest difficulty there is just finding enough players

[silver otter]

finding enough players with half a brain at least

[cunning needle]

yeah i take that back acutally

sometimes no amount of pull counts help

[cerulean nest]

yo that poison pact ring looks nuts

[balmy condor]

it's like 1.2% dps or something

basically copy paste eranog ring with a different coat of paint

[cerulean nest]

yo that poison pact ring looks alright

[waxen oyster]

I think that's the thing though

roster boss is usually an issue for mid tier guilds

While higher guilds typically dont have issues

[grim jay]

Finding enough players with half a brain that you actually like to play with, with raid times fitting your schedule

[waxen oyster]

It's kind of a catch 22 in guilds, if you don't have a proven record it's hard to reliably recruit good players.

[grim jay]

Idk ive seen many guilds having like 28 people in the roster because people are unreliable

Some years ago everyone did just fine with 20-22

[waxen oyster]

Really?

I've seen guilds not allow more than 2-3 unannounced absences per tier.

[grim jay]

I mean thats pretty basic but

[waxen oyster]

I can see people overrecruit on expac launches

[grim jay]

What if people just announce they arent there and it happens often

[cerulean nest]

hopefully not as hotly contested though

[grim jay]

Its still - 1

[terse orchid]

They should just remove mythic lockout

[waxen oyster]

due to people drop out in the first month due to new expac copium

[balmy condor]

think it's bis for basically everyone

[cerulean nest]

tight

[waxen oyster]

I've seen guilds with stricter attendance

That's also a thing tbh, better guilds will often not have a shortage of recruits

or possible

[spring socket]

any 1 know on plater i like using the special buffs for my bleeds, is their a way i can get it highlighted to show improved garote ?

[wanton depot]

yo about to sub tomorrow for the first time in like 15 months. Quick question, best spec for m+ and raid?

[grim jay]

I mean yeah it depends on what you call better. There definitely are plenty CE guilds with those issues tho.

[waxen oyster]

Oh im talking moreso like

top 50/100

[grim jay]

Yeah alright, aint much of an issue there

[waxen oyster]

yeah like generally higher guilds its a non issue because

people value their spots

[lapis coral]

as far as I know, they still doing a lot of buffs/nerfs and bugg fixing, so probably have to wait a bit longer, before you know the best spec

[waxen oyster]

i'd say its hard to run big rosters and keep very good players

since often those people want to see more playtime

[cunning needle]

the best spec is the one you enjoy playing the most 🙂

[grim jay]

Yeah depends on rotation and everything. Its pretty obvious one way or another that the roster will get smaller over time

[wanton depot]

[waxen oyster]

oh for sure

[cunning needle]

[waxen oyster]

and accounting for if you have people quit due to irl

which often happens in longer standing guilds due to people getting older and more responsibilities

[grim jay]

What I personally found interesting is the player difference between a 2 day guild and a 3 day guild at roughly the same WR

[waxen oyster]

2 day usually requires better players because you have less hours

imo

[grim jay]

Which in turn also means you gotta be a "better" player if your schedule allows only 2 days and you wanna improve

[cursive sparrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cunning needle]

2 day raiding is so comfy

fuck 3 day raiding. i could never go back

[cursive sparrow]

do we have fuu's chart this patch?

that is a super helpful source

[waxen oyster]

I feel the good teams that do that schedule are shrinking.

[cunning needle]

my guy the game is not even officially out yet

[grim jay]

Stuff is constantly changing

Bcs of fixes etc

[wanton depot]

it matters though

[balmy condor]

but imagine

I could know what bis is

[cursive sparrow]

wait unstil everything settle?

[balmy condor]

so that I can never get bis

[royal lantern]

2day raiding is BiS

[balmy condor]

SUPER good

very helpful

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you slide whispyr some $$$ maybe he'll do some inaccurate in 2 weeks sims

/j

[cunning needle]

imagine if one of the guide writers said X crafting gear is BiS because that's the one they decided to specalise in

would be funny

[waxen oyster]

set up the EA sim patreon

[grim jay]

Your are BiS for the slot beneath my left musculus pectoralis major

[royal lantern]

as a blacksmith, the emb dagger is really really good and you should trust me

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

willing to sell my morals for a twitch prime

give me twitch prime and I'll give you some rancid bis profiles that you can stare at for hours and get nothing of value from

[grim jay]

Based, tho im currently basically 4daying bcs 2 guilds, helping to build smth

[waxen oyster]

twitch prime sounds too cheap

esp with how some people charge that for their ui

which they took from someone else

[cunning needle]

just twitch prime subbed

gimmie garbage bis profiles pls

i need something to gaslamp people with

[terse orchid]

That's just good business

[cerulean nest]

sims want me keeping s4 2set but dropping 4set

interesting

[cunning needle]

i knew i should have played s4

its so jover

my parses are going to be ruined

[grim jay]

Yeah you are behind

For the m0 week

Deadge

[cunning needle]

may as well quit now

[rotund oak]

[cerulean nest]

burn your computer

[rotund oak]

just play diablo

[waxen oyster]

I like knowing that most of the people complaining theres nothing to do in EA

[grim jay]

I dont grind renown for the items, might aswell not do m0 at all with that loss

[cunning needle]

surely blizzard wouldnt disable tier sets on actual release

[waxen oyster]

quit in a month

[cunning needle]

right 🙂

[balmy condor]

incoming bis sim with 127,000 agility well fed buff and half-working embellishments

[cunning needle]

new combat potion going hard

[cerulean nest]

seeing shadowlands items in my droptomizer feels like trauma

[grim jay]

Oh wait true they will

[waxen oyster]

"accidentally" do the sub sim with a sword offhand

then complain to blizz it needs buffs

[cunning needle]

taking a lesson from the warlock playbook

i see what you did there

[grim jay]

Wait until there is shadowlands timewalking raids and you will farm edge of night every single time

For your offhand

[cerulean nest]

shut your mouth

[grim jay]

You know you will do it

And you will like it

[waxen oyster]

wont it only appear

if you have sl items in your bag

[cerulean nest]

what are the new combat pots called

[waxen oyster]

Money

Sink

[grim jay]

Hes just trying to think of something other than timewalking SL EoN

[cerulean nest]

lol I dont see them in my alchemy list unless im stupid

[cunning needle]

probably this?

[cerulean nest]

oh right

[grim jay]

Dont you need to get the recipe first?

[cerulean nest]

nah its there

so if you have a crit flask on, your pot gives you mast/haste/vers?

thats odd

[waxen oyster]

that benefits specs that like all stats

[grim jay]

Glad we do

[cerulean nest]

actually if youre using the chaos flask you'll get everything with the pot

[waxen oyster]

Oh wait that'd mean

outlaw gets 1/3 the pot ruined

nice mastery

[modest gale]

is it slow to level as assa

[balmy condor]

bout as slow as anything else I suppose

I was one shotting pretty much the entire way

[rotund oak]

much slower than sub

[slow tulip]

hey, can i ask if someone have like a to-do / cheat sheet for what to do during the first 2 weeks - like crests etc ?

thx in advance

[rotund oak]

there isnt rly anything u can do bro,just farm renown,do some heroics/delves and lvl up profs

[ripe carbon]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-P988ibclxaKCGrAcrx_v1X-hLdkCVUgy_ZFPzLNn_s/preview

[slow tulip]

thank you

[cunning needle]

for some actual useful info

[slow tulip]

hahahah real

[cunning needle]

there's no augment rune you need to farm

so renown is sorta whatever

you can maybe get t7 renown to buy these

but then also, shits so replacable its sorta who cares

[rotund oak]

u wont replace veteran gear that easily this early

even 3 weeks in or a month u will still have couple of veteran pieces on

[balmy condor]

that sounds not right

[cunning needle]

yeah you say that like im not gonna ultra degen m+ when it comes out on day 1

[runic hinge]

Maybe you will but I’m built diffy

[nova kelp]

you can do what I did and degen your way to r9 with everyone for absolutely no raisin

[rotund oak]

idk man,ppl hard cope with imaginary stuff,like the gear is free for trade or something

[cunning needle]

yeah im doing all the side quests now that give rep

and leaving it for darkmoon faire

for that 10% gain

so i can get even more renown

because theres totally a ton of player power hiding behind it

[runic hinge]

Fuck the fair bro

[nova kelp]

can just do them all on side toons once the faire is up

warband baby

[balmy condor]

if I have veteran gear a month from now

I want you to shoot me in the face

[cunning needle]

yeah but if i do it now, i can just turn in next week

[balmy condor]

M+ 2-6

[rotund oak]

[cunning needle]

noted, will check your stream in a month

[nova kelp]

that's fair

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

ain't no way

[nova kelp]

whispyr volunteering to be an outlaw target? #doubt

[balmy condor]

nah but like

2 weeks of normal/heroic raid

and any m+

if I have veteran gear after that

[raven egret]

EZ

[balmy condor]

I'm inting

[dire sparrow]

its monday, no HC yet

[nova kelp]

I feel that

I think I'm going to be so bored of the dungeons by the time that M+ opens

[rotund oak]

574 here,need valorstones

u ultra degen dungeons aight?

[raven egret]

no, dungeons are litterally useless

[rotund oak]

how do u go that high then

u craft?

[raven egret]

dungeons will be the absolute last thing I do this week, when I run out of everything else to do

[cunning needle]

dungeons give poop gear anyway right?

[rotund oak]

its not gear its VS

..

how do u climb that high

whats the secret

[grim jay]

Bro gear is so free

Idk

[raven egret]

3x Veteran pieces from Renown (used Weathered Crest to get those 4/8)
5x Aventurer pieces 4/8 (480)
Rest is 564 explorer until I find replacements

I am not spending any Carved crests, those will be useful in season. No use for weathered crests when season starts so, using those

[rotund oak]

ye same 5 adventurer u rng'd them from stuff around the map?thats wild

[raven egret]

sadge in explorer daggers

[rotund oak]

u lucky mf 😄

[raven egret]

I'm not xmoging out of that, its a work of leveling beauty

[rotund oak]

that makes sense ye

cool stuff

[grim jay]

Like heroic dungeon spam next reset is easy gear without doing anything else (only slightly behind the annoying grind rn) , m0 daily ez gear once its open and if m+ is open and you arent nearly full heroic gear week 2 you are kinda trolling I imagine

[raven egret]

Heroic dungeons are explorer gear, thats lower than what we got access to right nwo

[grim jay]

Can still upgrade

And its pretty close then

[raven egret]

yeah my point is spending resource to upgrade explorer is kinda wasted, as opposed to waiting to get Adventurer

plus

Anyone can be kited in full explorer gear already

[grim jay]

I wouldnt upgrade anything other than stuff with whelpling until close to raid anyways, but just saying

[quiet oar]

Renown Farmer

Frfr

[grim jay]

There is no need to grind any gear rn

[quiet oar]

Im grinding alts

[grim jay]

And you wont have any real advantage

[quiet oar]

6 80s

[grim jay]

Same

4

Kinda had to touch grass

[quiet oar]

But lvling now with sidequests

For renown

[raven egret]

I mean I'm having fun, and padding that extra stam for the early season push, is it needed? not particularly, but whatever helps

[royal lantern]

why dont you grind some bitches

[quiet oar]

Im neither Hot or funny

[grim jay]

Early season should be redundant no? Like m0 should be better and you get plenty chances for gear unless you cant play daily

[royal lantern]

you are a horrible liar

[quiet oar]

And im currebtly at 0 mythics

[amber stream]

Is anyone having an issue with Mutilate replacing Ambush every time on stealth bar?

[quiet oar]

Pretty Hard to farm bitches

[grim jay]

Guys dont need to be funny all day, kinda cringe. What are we, tools for entertainment?

[plain onyx]

lol

[stuck plaza]

dwarf

[quiet oar]

And doing gardenning work

[raven egret]

Yes, but theres otherwise 0 uses for what we have access to right now once S1 start, so just putting to use what I got is all

[grim jay]

Yeah im not saying you shouldnt do, its all about the fun at the end of the day

Saying its def worth it for s1 just aint really right tho

[grim jay]

Tbf there aint no woman that doesnt like a nice big garden

[raven egret]

I mean its not essential, still worth closing hte ilvl gap a little and getting some extra stam like I said, works out either way!

[cunning needle]

honestly we're just starved for actual content

so we'll wring what little content we can acutally get

[maiden sierra]

Do we have a bis gear list yet?

[cunning needle]

yes but you gotta subscribe to whispyrs twitch to get it

[maiden sierra]

[grim jay]

I personally just get my chars set, get some profs done and play smth different.

[quiet oar]

Also plus points if she has a dog

Dog + garden

Cheat code

[grim jay]

Thats why there is that force of attraction between us

[quiet oar]

[bronze pike]

R u guys ready for sin to be meta

[quiet oar]

I am ready for shitty dungeons

[grim jay]

If they shift the damage a bit more to ST, im ready

[quiet oar]

Dark Flame cleft

[grim jay]

[quiet oar]

Last area

Is disgusting

[peak condor]

you boys play with Echoing reprimand? if yes, why? i see from it about 1% dmg in my details, its not better to play on the right side with 1 additional charge at vanish?

[grim jay]

Im ready for mists

[quiet oar]

Like 5 yds circle to maneiver and dmg???

[grim jay]

[quiet oar]

You know thst it empowers cps

[grim jay]

1 vanish extra is useless

[quiet oar]

?

[grim jay]

Subter is useless aswell

[quiet oar]

Its Not the pure er dmg

You can finish earlier

With er cps

[peak condor]

i dont know what does to CP

i dont understand what animacharges means

[grim jay]

You gain 9 free Cp basically

[quiet oar]

It empowers combo point 3 4 and 5

And if you finish on them

It acta like it is a 7 cp Finisher

!er

Unlucky

[peak condor]

if i have 5CP will act like 7, ok

[grim jay]

Once

[quiet oar]

When the buff is active

[rotund oak]

why are u here mr NW German

[quiet oar]

Nw??

[rotund oak]

northwest

[grim jay]

Naughty wanker

[languid tide]

in case you are 80 and unlucky with weapons you can get as starting weapon i guess ( hallowfall )

[rotund oak]

[tepid vessel]

question, what darkmoon decks are we going for for ass?

[cobalt sphinx]

you can get better on the auction house for pretty cheap i think

[grim jay]

Like 8k or smth yesterday, ye

[peak condor]

Crimson tempest i have to kind of spam or just make sure its active on them and renew when its about to expire?!

[quiet oar]

Ahh

[cobalt sphinx]

i got a 564 for 999g

[grim jay]

It deals no inital dmg

You just keep the dot active

[rotund oak]

bruh i aint insulting u out of nowhere,there has to be a reason 😂

[peak condor]

tyvm man, i was loosing lot of dps

[languid tide]

oh damm i payed 9k but yeah even that is not much i guess was more for poeple that just want a weapon for free to do hc tonight ^^

[normal mist]

ascension seems okayish. Remember you can put gold on the warbank and search various servers for a good price. I bought 2 trinkets 577 for less than 8k

[grim jay]

So much effort

I rather pay the premium

[onyx mesa]

Anyone know how often the delve scenarios change?

[grim jay]

[normal mist]

what effort, what premium

[quiet oar]

I am here because i have to wait that copying is done

[grim jay]

Effort of changing servers, premium as in the higher price

[languid tide]

what devles are you guys running? i like to do abyss takes like 5min on t3 did not find anything faster for xp farm on bran ( on beta thats the one i did on +11 ) guess its pretty good for rogues to abuse

[grim jay]

I dont do any

[rotund oak]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

wait what copy

ive read cope

btw its raining,and the land smells amazing,this is heaven

holysht love this

[grim jay]

Using keys rn for delves isnt worth it either

[grim jay]

Thats pretty good ye

[rotund oak]

nature asmr

[quiet oar]

Im doing a Migration in a School administration, need to copy data

[rotund oak]

cant add any ''back''- up scent to it,its a school thing

[quiet oar]

Nah because its from another System

Need to copy

[rotund oak]

[normal mist]

@peak condor

[grim jay]

Can copy deez

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[grim jay]

[quiet oar]

Too unique, i prefer the og ones

[grim jay]

Idk they are a bit on the smaller side, but I wouldnt call them unique

[somber fractal]

anyone know if the info in the wowhead guide or the latest whispyr youtube video is most current?

[grim jay]

Should both be the same actually

[somber fractal]

minor talent diff. in wowhead it has shrouded over scoundrel and resounding claity over 2/2 lethality

[grim jay]

Thats probably because the 2/2 lethality tech is just because of some bug with ER that should get fixed

And he usually doesnt use stuff that wont last long in guides

!DN

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[grim jay]

Thats what its about

[somber fractal]

yeah the bug was talked about in the video. i guess im mostly interested in scoundrel over shrouded or not

i dont like the opener without shrouded but the energy regen without scoundrel feels bad

[normal mist]

I don't think any build plays scoundrel

Let me check pc

[grim jay]

Dont think dashing scoundrel was that impactful either

[normal mist]

just checked

literally no build plays it

[grim jay]

I didnt check out the last Video yet tho

And thats what he is referring to

[normal mist]

i checked wowhead

[grim jay]

Yeah that was the initial question

[balmy condor]

talents are a bit all over the place cause bugs

[grim jay]

Bcs it seems to be different in the video and on wowhead

[balmy condor]

don't worry about it

raids not out for a while

literally doesn't matter

[marble hemlock]

mine are all there when i press N

have you tried that?

[balmy condor]

main thing is vicious > sang looks good

and that's it

[grim jay]

[somber fractal]

but i wanna doom NOW

[normal mist]

come back in 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

there are literally all simming within margin

ttb/dashing/shrouded

literally every path to poison bomb is perfectly reasonable

[royal lantern]

brb taking ttk

[normal mist]

I really wouldn't want to be on your shoes, with the amount of viable stuff going around + bug fixes + stuff, everything can change and back you are at explaining everything all over again

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean welcome to TWW

"whispyr what's best"
brother I have no fucking clue

[grim jay]

I think its just a new step into the direction of catering to casuals. Telling everyone nothing matters

[normal mist]

then they dont believe you

and DEMAND answers

and back in whispyr's DMs they are

[grim jay]

For maximum dps, do I get up from bed on my left or on my right foot?

[royal lantern]

pizza toppings sims when

[balmy condor]

a lot of these talents are on margins so razor thin I think you'd reasonably change talents if you got PI or not

[glass hemlock]

hey rogue gang, i am assuming that no vault until season starts?

[somber fractal]

no vault only cave

[grim jay]

(watch em all thinking about how they stand up in the morning)

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

Pineapple and olives 100% f tier

Low sims

[balmy condor]

I'm not kidding about this btw

[grim jay]

But if they are so close and we might change em with PI, why dont we just always use the PI ones?

[balmy condor]

this build with PI is 0.4% better than 2/2 vicious and no sanguine

[nova kelp]

lol PI

[balmy condor]

and without PI, the above build is -0.5% behind this

[grim jay]

Unlucky

Doubt we will get PI tho

[balmy condor]

like all the bleed stuff is just barely good enough with haste steroids

doesn't have to be PI

I have skardyn's in this sim, but there's a delve trinket that gives haste

which has the same issue

mastery buffs vicious, haste does not

so like play whatever man idk

[somber fractal]

wait are we actual pi targets again?

[balmy condor]

all of it is actually balancing on a knife edge

[somber fractal]

ive been asleep for far too long

[balmy condor]

we're not bad pi targets, we're just not BiS either

but I think especially in like smaller raids or scuffed rosters/multiple priests assa could reasonably get a PI

or you're using a haste trinket and all of this comes to pass anyway regardless of PI

or you're just really unlucky and have a fuck ton of haste gear

or blizzard fixes vicious venoms not working with shiv and none of this conversation matters

WHO FUCKING KNOWS

[grim jay]

Or someone stacks haste because of energy regen

[balmy condor]

legit could wake up tuesday and they're like hey yeah so the deathstalker mark doesn't buff mut by 50% anymore

and all of a sudden every vicious venom build collapses overnight

[grim jay]

Unholy might not be a PI target this time around either if the sanlayn tree is better

Bcs its a 1.5min spec then ive read

[balmy condor]

yeh idk man

there's

actually just way too much up in the air

I can't make sense of any of this

also like if ER gets fixed with the mark

you lose 1/2 lethality points

which buffs garrote

so small nerf to imp gar/sang/shrouded

which then compounds and makes vicious better

:3

I'm gonna mcfreakinglose it

[grim jay]

Im still hoping vicious aint better

Never liked that talent at all

[somber fractal]

i envy fury warriors. just spin the feels away

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

and all of this is in bis as well

lord only knows what monstrosities are lurking in the depths of like heroic week gear

missing 20% mast and 5% haste? have a fuck ton of crit?

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/PCS1Sd2.jpeg

this one doesnt seem half trash

[balmy condor]

get ready for some god forsaken talent permutation I haven't even thought of yet

[marble hemlock]

but 2min30

[grim jay]

2 min 30

[marble hemlock]

[grim jay]

Brother

What is that thing

How did that make it

[balmy condor]

anyway @normal mist hope that helps /endrant it's 3am I'm gonna sleep

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/2gpT3XC.jpeg

i like this one atm

too bad it didnt proc higher ilvl

have to create new rogue until i get an epic one

then make all augs get it too

[normal mist]

it does, sleep well man

[marble hemlock]

and get everybody else to move away from me

[frigid thicket]

is lingering darkness still broken?

[rotund oak]

yup horn is cool with DM

[balmy condor]

oh also the fatebound hotfixes for coins might just make fatebound better anyways

so

maybe none of this even matters

cause we just fatebound

[marble hemlock]

thank fucking god

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

i really just

dont like deathstalker

i still garrote from stealth

[rotund oak]

rky?

[grim jay]

Seli likes to blow the horn

[marble hemlock]

like half the time

[marble hemlock]

i can blow something for you

[balmy condor]

no they fixed it uhhhhh

Fixed with hotfixes on 6/12/2024, build 55412

[rotund oak]

isnt fatebound like 8% behind deathstalker

[balmy condor]

what

on what fucking planet lmao

[grim jay]

I got the ascendance trinket thingy where you need to channel 1.5s at high ilvl

[marble hemlock]

cosmic dam proc is big dam

i actually like it

too bad it has no animation

[rotund oak]

okok forget about that,do we have an actual comperative between those two

[marble hemlock]

you just see mob die from 50% and know "oh that was a proc"

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

of course I have a comparison between the two?

what do you think I am

[rotund oak]

can we learn about it as well

[grim jay]

@marble hemlock

The channel tho..

[balmy condor]

what haven't I already said

[grim jay]

He wants the numbers

[rotund oak]

ok im scrolling up

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah I've said those too

fatebound is 2-3% behind

[rotund oak]

nvm nvm

ah nice cool cool

[limber lion]

[royal lantern]

aka "unplayable garbage and you troll by considering it" in WoW player terms

[grim jay]

I mean the coin stuff throws it back atleast another 10%

Because theme = transmog = 10% dps

[rotund oak]

fatebound huh

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwentcard-nilfgaard-bribery-gold-coins-gif-13939580

[rotund oak]

yeah im down whatever

rogue is rogue

gonna finish off azj kahet and the sidequest nonsense,final acts of degeneracy

laters

[quiet oar]

Just be ultra lucky and its 2-3% ahead

[balmy condor]

bug list updated

also when I simmed my own character earlier, best fatebound build was whatever the fuck this disaster is

actually just give up

[hushed roost]

I'm down, say less

[balmy condor]

35 different builds lets fucking go

[hushed roost]

or be a giga-chad and start doing shit without talents

and just back to the days of melee being top damage

[primal jolt]

hello rogue frens

[hushed roost]

👋

[primal jolt]

are we still allowed to make fun of deathstalker

ive been away for a while

or is it like cool to be deathstalker now

[hushed roost]

I haven't been paying attention enough to answer that. I'm just happy assassination seems pretty good in keys that don't require them to be a keystone level of 37 or higher

[terse orchid]

It'll never be cool

[cedar dagger]

why do u have 35 diff builds?

[cunning needle]

don't you?

[cedar dagger]

I count 38

[primal jolt]

unfortunately blizzard didn't take sin rogue in account so i cant actually have all 35 builds saved :(

[balmy condor]

blizzard either is goated at talent tuning or nothing on this spec matters

depends how you view it

[primal jolt]

would you say sub is in a better state

ive deleted my rogue, im like reformed

[balmy condor]

"better state" is a pretty vague term

what does that mean to you

[primal jolt]

WOW EPIC SUB GAMING

like feels better to play

and not this hot mess

i cant even restore my rogue, the restoration is disabled

[balmy condor]

I mean this hot mess is just talents being viable or not

the gameplay of assa is good regardless of if you're doing extra shiv damage with ttb or getting extra poison crits with dashing

[primal jolt]

ive played some arena with a sub rogue with deathstalker

like it looks pretty strong on sub rogue

i could be wrong but the damage sometimes goes crazy

haven't touched sin since start of s4 dragonflight

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee you that blizz put excatly 0thoughts into the "hero talents" for PvP, because they know that most people dont care about it

[analog kelp]

is it a bug that darkest night doesnt work with echoing reprimand or is it intended? sadge anyways

[grim jay]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[analog kelp]

thanks!

[grim jay]

Pvp folks dont care either. Blizz will nerf stuff anyways if its too strong and they just copy Youtuber x no matter what the build does or has

[analog summit]

ist ok to just play fatebound and still be relevant? i enjoy a bit less micromanaging

[grim jay]

Yes

Just a couple % diff currently

[analog summit]

cool thx

[hidden herald]

But filk is the truest wiseman that exists. Comes in, knows where to spend his brain power and leaves

[arctic socket]

Maybe today some sin bugs will be fixed

[normal mist]

Prayge

[blazing badge]

Guys (and girls), is it correct to use damaging finishers at 5+ CP? Unless you get into an animacharged point and you need it at 7 CP (hero talent).

[spiral escarp]

I was also wondering the same thing. E.g. we are at 6 CP currently: do we waste a combo point with mutilate to get to a 7 CP Envenom?

It feels very counterintuitive if we have to do it. Not to mention the energy starvation that comes with it.

[crisp ridge]

finish on 5+ unless cp is animacharged or you need to activate captone then at 7

[spiral escarp]

So to activate the capstone is higher priority than wasting a CP if we land on 6?

[terse orchid]

Do the forbidden technique of waiting till garrote is in pandemic window and use that to get the last CP

[arctic socket]

Press the dagger toss button

[terse orchid]

Real gangster stuff

FoK, yolo

[arctic socket]

Fok actually isn’t a bad thing to press now with the hero talent

[spiral escarp]

So fok to get the 7th CP

[arctic socket]

But you would still waste a cp sometimes

[spiral escarp]

True

[terse orchid]

it applies an extra cp so that'd be wasted

[arctic socket]

.

[strange python]

It's probably better to hit mutilate and waste a cp - as opposed to hitting a worse spell and not wasting a cp though

[terse orchid]

That implies that Throw is a worse spell instead of the most g shit we have

[arctic socket]

Hopefully tho the anima charged combo points get fixed to apply the mark (the anima powered envemons aren’t even consuming a stack)

[strange python]

I mean the end result is the same - you get 1 cp. So you should probably just hit the spell that does the most damage for that 1 cp.

[hazy horizon]

Fok for extra style

[arctic socket]

Fok also does more damage with the proc

[terse orchid]

Style points translate directly to dps

It's why outluls are dooming

no flair

[arctic socket]

Not even style points it still does more damage 😂 assuming you have the hero talent proc up

[plain whale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brisk plank]

@balmy condor What would you say about this one? I was wondering about what to do in that situation too but im just not sure being new to sin

[strange python]

Dawnuts answered

[normal mist]

he's currently sleeping

You mutilate

to 7CP

[limber lion]

If you have the capstone buff that is

Otherwise you always finish at 5+

[normal mist]

yeah was assuming capstone as well

[weak isle]

New finisher rules

[limber lion]

Yeh providing context just helps for whoever else is reading

As the 5+ is a fairly recent new rule

[normal mist]

used to be 4+

[weak isle]

5+ been since DF

[normal mist]

negative

4+

[weak isle]

[dark token]

4+ since legion

[normal mist]

5+ only on opener before DM-shiv-kb (in DF after 10.2)

[limber lion]

Well, it's been max-1

Not 4+

Very important depending on whether you use Deeper Stratagem or not

[normal mist]

Its been so many rules and changes man

[limber lion]

:P

[normal mist]

Cev will it be impossible seeing you playing this season / exp ?

[limber lion]

Well I might level up and do casual heroics and whatnot, but that's about it

My enjoyment in the game generally comes from pushing the highest raid content, but I simply do not have the time to do that

[normal mist]

just to feel the game i see

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[normal mist]

Have your auditions / plays going good?

[limber lion]

Currently sitting at a solid 10k loan to the bank on top of the normal student loans, so I can't even afford the game atm lol

[static glacier]

debt sucks

[dapper cradle]

so to play around the ER bug, we just run the second point in Lethality?

[limber lion]

Yeah nothing special, we're chilling. Still got 3 months until the major audition and the competition is in 5 months

[normal mist]

yes

[limber lion]

To play around the ER bug is to honestly just not care about the bug and do whatever you want

[dapper cradle]

hope blizz fixes it :/ ty for the response!

[dapper cradle]

based

[limber lion]

It's such a small thingy and doesn't really matter

[normal mist]

wait there's a command

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[limber lion]

deez nuts command

I see

[normal mist]

ahhaha

it will be an hard expansion

[dapper cradle]

lmfao

[limber lion]

hard indeed

[normal mist]

LOl

[buoyant pewter]

hi guys, how bad is cold blood compared to ER ?

[dark token]

good for fatebound bad for deathstalker

[drifting basin]

Is there anyone that has released a guide or similar to how to play assassination in M+/AoE? I just watched Whispyrs recent video for Raid and its a masterpiece

[dapper cradle]

he doesn't have a formal guide, but you can watch some of Casualaddict's beta streams

he plays sin a lot

[drifting basin]

thank you, ill check it out

[grim jay]

Whispyr will release one tomorrow

Just wait

[drifting basin]

oh pog!! legend, ty

[fluid dust]

Which spec is the highest st

[grim jay]

Nothing beats a video by the ass master

[dapper cradle]

deez nuts? ass master?

[grim jay]

My crystal ball says we are some weeks away from raid and there will be changes

[dapper cradle]

what's happening to sin

[grim jay]

Ikr

[fluid dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brisk plank]

So if on 6 points with capstone we mutilate to 7 for env, thanks man

Learning this spec is actually fun

[normal mist]

a lot of stuff keeps changing, whispyr have so many viable builds, he's going insane.

Also a lot of bugs to fix

you can see a bit of his earlier rant starting here: #assassination message

[brisk plank]

Yeah he is amazing for his work for fellow assa rogues

[brisk plank]

Ill check it out. One more question about the other finishers that arent being used for ER / capstone, we finish at 5+? Ruptures, envenoms etc

[iron valve]

you can also garrote something for the 1cp if it otherwise makes sense to do so

[normal mist]

Yeah other than that specific 7CP for darkest night, its 5+ cp finishers

[brisk plank]

Oh yea, Ill have that in mind too, cheers

[alpine lichen]

Hi peeps, new to using class discords. Seeing all of this has been great, something I’m having trouble finding (maybe because it doesn’t exist here?) is a weak aura tracker I saw Whispyr using for deathstalker. Is that listed somewhere and I just can’t find it?

[iron valve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[alpine lichen]

Well that was easier than expected lol, thanks!

[raven panther]

In general, if I am in a pack of ~5 mobs and couldn't stealth because tank pulled too fast, should I spend time putting rupture on everyone ? is there a good limit (before switching back to main target) or should I rupture/garrot everyone in prio

[grim jay]

If you dot have IC you most likely skip garrote entirely on the offtargets

Rupture rule stays the same

Rupture them all until max stacks of scent

[raven panther]

Ok, shadowmeld is broken on assa for mm+ I guess. You get IC so much more

[grim jay]

No its bad

Because it doesnt work most of the time anyways

And even then, you wouldnt need it if the tank chainpulled correctly

[marble hemlock]

you need to manually restealth after shadowmeld, which means you have to run away from the mobs youre attacking as you will otherwise instantly be put back into combat by one of your many many dots ticking. ~10y usually does the trick, but that also means you lose about 3-4sec of uptime pressing buttons.

[grim jay]

And even that doesnt work that often

[marble hemlock]

and any pack that already has dots ticking, you wont get much value out of IC

meld/vanish are nice fallbacks if a chain happens and its not a good one/you didnt prepare for it properly, so theyre nice tools to have in those situations.

[quiet oar]

!meld

Damn

[buoyant pewter]

how do you prepare for a chain ?

[marble hemlock]

the better you play/the higher you get in content and the better the tank youre playing with, the lower the value of things like shadowmeld or vanish to get restealths for IC. but on the lower end, where things are chaotic and unpredictable, they can have good value for sure

[buoyant pewter]

like wait a bit so you dont get in combat to stealth ?

[marble hemlock]

making sure you still have a few dots running on the previous pack, so you dont starve energy when building dots on the new one

[grim jay]

You need to be harsher with your words

You sound way too positive

[marble hemlock]

the #1 goal in aoe is always to be able to spam abilities every GCD, and you need a certain amount of energy regen for that, the passive one doesnt cover that.

its all highly situational, unfortunately. there is no "guide" on how to play a chainpull correctly, as it largely depends on how many mobs are still alive from the previous pull, how high HP they are etc.

[grim jay]

@marble hemlock which race are you even playing btw? Dont tell me its dwarf

[marble hemlock]

ive played belf since legion. ive bought a race change in vault to swap to nelf for m+, but had to stay belf for raszagussy and never used the racechange after cuz my m+ grp died

[limber lion]

I had to racechange to Tauren for Raszageth

[quiet oar]

Based

[limber lion]

Awful

[marble hemlock]

but ye i think

[limber lion]

From Belf to Tauren, yuk

Belf is bis

[grim jay]

Elf enjoyer, I see I see

[marble hemlock]

in an ideal world, you dont need meld or vanish cuz chainpulls work out great

[grim jay]

Velf is BiS ngl

[marble hemlock]

then i think back to the times i felt the tank actually played around chaining properly, and i can count the amount of tanks capable of doing that on one hand. a hand that lost 3 fingers in a sawmill accident

so the "chainpulling > restealth" is just a very theoretical advice cause the vast majority of players wont be able to benefit from good chainpulls

[quiet oar]

Only race i would change my belf to would be nelf

Ngl