I did for the effect items
#assassination
subtle tundra
I didn't want to seem like a sandbagger to my guild, more than I already am
grim jay
What if its on the one slot you just dont drop 
Also idk how much ilvl it is
Its mainly the vault loot tho from what ive seen
Id probably do 2 slots
runic hinge
I didn't want to seem like a sandbagger to my guild, more than I already am
they already know
royal lantern
good
cus im 1 of those weird guys that actually plays wow to play with, you know, other people
grim jay
cus im 1 of those weird guys that actually plays wow to play with, you know, oth...
I have 2 words for you
Dis
Gusting
balmy condor
cus im 1 of those weird guys that actually plays wow to play with, you know, oth...
the follower dungeon honestly isn't even that bad
you have to hit the little button to make the tank go ahead of you
but the npcs aren't that dumb honestly
fallen arch
I thought it worked fine too
grim jay
Mildly amused
fallen arch
Last hour or so it seems pretty bad, before that everything was peachy
grim jay
Idk personally not a fan of delves
grim jay
Last hour or so it seems pretty bad, before that everything was peachy
More people coming online 
balmy condor
Idk personally not a fan of delves
I think they're pretty fun
but I think they're gonna get old
grim jay
but I think they're gonna get old
Probably. Gotta see what they do with them aswell
Wouldnt surprise me if they double down
And you might need to do them anyways
After some patches
subtle tundra
Havent done any yet cause I'm not an early access Andy, but to me they seem torghast but without the only fun part
random fossil
Delves are bussin
grim jay
you just kinda press W and win
But that kinda was torghast aswell
balmy condor
torghast you had to do 10 minutes of nothing and pray you landed the win condition
subtle tundra
Yea torghast before you get op is very hard
subtle tundra
torghast you had to do 10 minutes of nothing and pray you landed the win conditi...
Well since the number of total powers was kinda low you were guaranteed to get op eventually
grim jay
Im pretty sure I just stealthed through and killed the necessary things rather quick
subtle tundra
Just rng if it's instantly or you had to suffer
random fossil
The grapple in the first delve is crazy
toxic timber
Hello quick question about vanish, if you used vanish in the opener to refresh improved garrote, do you try to line vanish with the next deathmark or do you just send deathmark on cooldown ?
balmy condor
you line up
toxic timber
perfect, thanks !
bitter crow
I thought vanish wasn't in the ST opener?
grim jay
I thought vanish wasn't in the ST opener?
Guess you thought wrong!
Its roughly 6? seconds after DM
raw tusk
What professions are you guys going? I was enchanting jewel rafting in Df but wanna change it up
runic hinge
Engi lw
raw tusk
Engi lw
Anything looking fun in Engi? Havent been that since HC
Alch I dont think I've ever been might be an option
runic hinge
Idk but I have too many toys and stuff made I don’t wanna lose out on
Jeeves and tinkers and whatever
Haven’t really looked at new stuff
grim jay
I went alch jewelcrafting
Why jwc tho 
runic hinge
Got a few weeks until the season starts to care about professions
balmy condor
Why jwc tho <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
never been
runic hinge
Why jwc tho <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
Secret lariat sims being released soon
raw tusk
honestly jc always comes in handy
grim jay
never been
Based. Im thinking of capitalizing on the m+ andys going engi
raw tusk
I was JC in df and it was nice making my own gems, decent money. Was nice during that forgotten reach phase
All my alts always needed rings and necks crafted too
balmy condor
imagine having alts
royal lantern
What professions are you guys going? I was enchanting jewel rafting in Df but wa...
blacksmith enchanting
balmy condor
blacksmith enchanting
you better hope that 2.6 dagger gets buffed to 1.8 or else you're a giga bozo
random fossil
blacksmith no bueno?
balmy condor
blacksmith no bueno?
just pointless as long as the embellish dagger is 2.6 speed
random fossil
perhaps i dont drop engi then
grim jay
GOT BUFFED BY AN AUG IN THE OPEN WORLD
Report it
strange python
What talents are best for general levelling?
short sedge
Whatever you like
grim jay
Any m+ build
short sedge
Leveling is your chance to play any talent you think looks cool without caring about the meta
don't squander it
grim jay
don't squander it
Squander
random fossil
what if u want meta levelling talents tho
strange python
Haven't played since s3 so just wondered if anything changed is all 🤔
normal mist
Almost legit nothing
short sedge
What's up with squander
grim jay
Not much
short sedge
Personally I love that sbs is a passive
normal mist
Same
short sedge
I would never talent into it otherwise
grim jay
Wouldnt associate it with wasting anything tho, since the most enjoyable part of leveling is being done with it
short sedge
I get where you're coming from but putting a talent point into this or that will only make a 2% damage diff
normal mist
I win when I have fun
short sedge
It's marginal as far as leveling speed goes
Unless for some reason you decide not to play capstones or something
balmy condor
I win when I have fun
I win whenever we get to beat it to xal'atath
I mean beat it to xal'atath
short sedge
?
normal mist
I mean beat it to xal'atath
Don't worry, same
short sedge
ok gooners!
marble hemlock
I win whenever we get to beat it to xal'atath
so youre winning right now?
balmy condor
is that she's always got the toes out on purpose
normal mist
LOL
balmy condor
you think it's a coincidence she's always got the dogs breathin
marble hemlock
its just whispyr saying out loud what were all thinking
grim jay
fun is for casuals
You kinda gotta decide at some point
marble hemlock
grim jay
You are the casual caterer my man
grim jay
https://i.imgur.com/lv6brBk.jpeg
People are so down bad ngl
marble hemlock
idk i dont kink shame
balmy condor
I kink shame people for being boring fucks
suck some toes you sticks
life is short
grim jay
Its not about the feet, its about those being the feet of some video game villain character
split maple
I kink shame people for being boring fucks
he does. confirmed
balmy condor
there ya go
grim jay
Whispyr converted me
grim jay
where are the fucking swirls
Looks like you didnt reduce ground clutter
In the settings
grim jay
I have it on 5 either way
tribal hamlet
Will this be a big deal for rogue?
didnt test yet if works inside instances
candid hull
y'all thought poison bomb sucked
I never thought that..
grim jay
y'all thought poison bomb sucked
Btw did you see death and decay with decay talented?
Literally covers everything and you dont see shit
subtle tundra
XAL'ATATH FEET SELLS
YES YES YES YES YEEEESSSSSSA
grim jay
grim jay
Sign me the fuck up for the feet
subtle tundra
We better get feet cutscene when we get her as a boss fight
candid hull
this is crazy work
coarse narwhal
which darkmoon deck is best for us?
midnight atlas
probably none.
upper meteor
!wa
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upper meteor
did Whispyr update his edit yet?
cobalt moth
are we breaking tier?
strange python
Any thoughts on Deathstalker vs Fatebound so far?
I just switched over to Deathstalker, seems fun
grim jay
Any thoughts on Deathstalker vs Fatebound so far?
You could read whispyrs deathstalker vs fatebound article
strange python
You could read whispyrs deathstalker vs fatebound article
Does it gives people's thoughts on it?
meager echo
!macro
grim jay
Does it gives people's thoughts on it?
Yes, Whispyrs thoughts
Also they dont really differ much at all
strange python
Yes, Whispyrs thoughts <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
Also they dont really differ...
What about other peoples?
like those that I asked
grim jay
What about other peoples?
"also they dont really differ much at all"
strange python
ok thanks for your input
Anyone else have any thoughts so far on Deathstalker vs Fatebound (besides Davyn)
grim jay
strange python
bro
if you dont have anything to say other than "go read whispyr's thoughts" and "they dont differ" just be quiet
if someone has thoughts they can share them - if not, they wont
grim jay
did Whispyr update his edit yet?
He earlier this morning said in about an hour, but was still changing stuff
strange python
Every time you ask a simple question or wanna get someone's opinion on how stuff is feeling in here, there's always someone to pepe you or act some certain way with emoji's and stuff.
fiery mauve
grim jay
if you dont have anything to say other than "go read whispyr's thoughts" and "th...
How about you calm down a bit instead of getting triggered and dont tell other people if they have to be quiet or not
strange python
I'm calm
Just asking for people's thoughts man, you chill
I already thanked you for your input
grim jay
Im entirely chill
fiery mauve
grim jay
You just didnt like my input and acted up
grim jay
which darkmoon deck is best for us?
Wouldnt do anything on that yet tbf
Just wait until everything is settled
grim jay
I don't care about your input, but i thanked you anyway
Cool, you always act the same. Have a nice day 
fiery mauve
Aren't darkmoon decks non embellishment
strange python
So - now that the troll is done talking to me. Anyone tried both and have any thoughts on Fatebound vs Deathstalker so far?
grim jay
Aren't darkmoon decks non embellishment
Its rather about them probably not being done with changes, they just fixed something with trinkets recently
cobalt moth
So - now that the troll is done talking to me. Anyone tried both and have any t...
feels about the same
strange python
feels about the same
Yeah - which one you playing? Feels weird'ish to open with ambush a lot of the time to me?
grim jay
So - now that the troll is done talking to me. Anyone tried both and have any t...
Would appreciate it if you would stop calling me names like some child as I obviously wasnt trolling you at any point
strange python
Would appreciate it if you would stop calling me names like some child as I obvi...
dude stop talking to me
normal mist
He isn't wrong tho
grim jay
dude stop talking to me
You literally cant stop mentioning me in your messages, so if you dont want interactions you should just get over it
strange python
🤦♂️
balmy condor
if neither of you dipshits cut it out you can both catch hands
fiery mauve
I bet ascension is the best deck
balmy condor
now shut it
fiery mauve
strange python
I came in here looking to have a friendly conversation with people and share thoughts. That's all.
quiet oar
Daddy Whisp is 
balmy condor
tf you guys arguing for
cunning cloak
Ah, the rogue discord, always something to eat popcorn to
balmy condor
get it together
grim jay
@normal mist tell me about the BiS leveling transmog
normal mist
Boy oh boy will be a pita having to tmog every time you get a new piece of gear xD
quiet oar
Boy oh boy will be a pita having to tmog every time you get a new piece of gear ...
Only replace gear when you are 80
grim jay
It is what it is, everything for the enjoyment bonus
quiet oar
normal mist
Only replace gear when you are 80
I must look good ALL THE TIME
bitter trout
You always look stunning
Thanks bb 
normal mist
Dang you guys out there making your best putting my ego up
grim jay
Dang you guys out there making your best putting my ego up
Obviously, why wouldnt we
normal mist
spring socket
question, if deathstalkers mark doesnt expire cos u kill a target too fast, you dont get the lingering darkness buff?
tall jay
Twitter
normal mist
Don't do it
normal mist
Might result in bans / items removed
tall jay
That’s what I was thinking as well
grim jay
question, if deathstalkers mark doesnt expire cos u kill a target too fast, yo...
It works with your 2 min CD DM
weak isle
https://twitter.com/Humanitydh/status/1826816950384656543
This true?
True but u will get banned
grim jay
Not mark
grim jay
Nah you'll probably get the items removed but not banned
People got banned for less
spring socket
It works with your 2 min CD DM
sorry need to read tooltips properly
grim jay
sorry need to read tooltips properly
No fam, just ask whatever is unclear
fiery mauve
That's why exploit early, exploit often is said in wow a good bit
grim jay
That's why exploit early, exploit often is said in wow a good bit
They handle exploits differently
Kinda depends on what it does
And how to get there
fiery mauve
So , right , who knows what would happen
grim jay
Personally wouldnt risk it either way
final star
pretty easy to track who exploited it, don't ya think 😛
fiery mauve
Yeah it would be easy which is why items would be removed
But is it an exploit though or an oversight
S4 isn't over
Til official release
Just wanted to do m+ with my lvl 70 homies
sturdy wasp
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grim jay
Because it should be obvious that it isnt supposed to be possible
grim jay
Alright I wont argue on that further
fiery mauve
For all classes
tall jay
True but u will get banned
Yea that was my first thought. Glad I’m not 80 and hate S4 dungeons lol
grim jay
Yea that was my first thought. Glad I’m not 80 and hate S4 dungeons lol
I think they werent THAT bad
short sedge
So crafted weapons are a no-go?
indigo mulch
Did they do something with Sudden demise? I feel like it does so much damage now o_o;
tall jay
lol only as bad as a minor tooth ache
fiery mauve
So crafted weapons are a no-go?
What makes you say that
tall jay
Agreed
grim jay
I just hate dungeons as old as that
quiet oar
Hows the population for you so far in the zones?
Its relatively "empty"
grim jay
On retail
short sedge
What makes you say that
I saw someone talk about it earlier
fiery mauve
Oo interesting
short sedge
Crafted daggers attack speed is too low or sum
fiery mauve
I know the crafted 2.8 dagger embellishment is bad
grim jay
Its relatively "empty"
Sounds good. I can only start in like 3.5h, guessed that most people would be done around now
fading quiver
its normal to do shit damage the close i am to 80? im 78 and doing no damage right now xD
fiery mauve
Yessir
grim jay
But I'd imagine a basic crafted dagger would still be fine
Kinda, depends on drops
Thing is probably that the embellishment you want is for armor
fiery mauve
Kinda, depends on drops
That wasn't his question though really
grim jay
It feeds into it. Crafting one is still better than having a shit mainhand but BiS embellishments
Its the one circumstance under which its not a no go
hexed canopy
when are you breaking S4 t set while levelingß^^
fiery mauve
Probably never when leveling as ilvl is relatively high
Won't be til wq drops most likely
dim yacht
i didnt bother till level 80
hexed canopy
thank you
short sedge
I want the BiS list to come out already
balmy condor
bis list brainrot pog
fiery mauve
Meh*
fiery mauve
fiery mauve
Professions shouldn't have anything to do with bis lists
But rogues wear leather so leather working would be your best bet
Their embellishments be leather this season
balmy condor
!update
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Updated.
balmy condor
!tierbreak
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You will not want to break your tier until roughly 40 or 50 item levels above your tier set, at which point you should simulate yourself through top gear to get direct, accurate answers. This is highly dependant on your gear as a character so make sure you check with a sim first before swapping/deleting gear
balmy condor
!wa
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balmy condor
!stats
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
balmy condor
!restealth
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Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
- While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
fiery mauve
grim jay
I'm just trying to figure out professions man
If you wanna make bank you gotta choose based on what the popular classes craft anyways. Leather like monke said if you wanna be self sufficient
Alchemy is always good
grim jay
we update bot commands
Did you update your WA?
fiery mauve
balmy condor
Did you update your WA? <:bla:1264689429424115795>
yes
balmy condor
Whispyr what’s looking like the go to hero talents currently
both are fine
wide ferry
Anyone else like..not rushing to 80
im just enjoying the f outt this expansion so far
balmy condor
I took it pretty slow but finished campaign like 2 hours ago
dark token
In the assa rogue guide 
Almost like whispyr wrote a guide for everything already and it's on wowhead
arctic socket
grim jay
https://tenor.com/view/chappelles-show-dave-chappelle-chappelles-tyrone-tyrone-b...
!guide
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dark token
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day
Teach a man to fish and feed him for his whole life
spring socket
where do you spend your dragonriding glyphs ?
short sedge
If you wanna make bank you gotta choose based on what the popular classes craft ...
I always go leather but idk about second
fiery mauve
Professions really are just personal preference
short sedge
I guess enchanting couldn't be bad
fiery mauve
And don't offer player power
spice surge
Warbound
short sedge
It's for your ele alt once you're done coping about sin
short sedge
balmy condor
I'm never playing a different class
fiery mauve
Rolled a socket on dk 
balmy condor
give me leather
short sedge
What's max ilvl going to be this week
arctic socket
Does the wowhead guide say which hero talent tree is better
I’m looking for it
fiery mauve
Idk whatever heroic ilvl is
arctic socket
I haven’t found that yet
fiery mauve
balmy condor
literally the very first section of the hero talent page
fiery mauve
Oh look at that
arctic socket
short sedge
How do we run necrotic wake btw
fiery mauve
Wait until season starts
short sedge
Since our hero trees are dogs
balmy condor
what
balmy condor
what do the hero talents even have to do with necrotic wake
short sedge
The mark doesn't work on 3rd boss does it
balmy condor
it does, you just have to be careful that he doesn't fly back to his platform with a mark up
short sedge
What about mists
balmy condor
what about it
arctic socket
Whispyr last question for you, do you go over when what we use vanish for now?
fiery mauve
He does
balmy condor
Whispyr last question for you, do you go over when what we use vanish for now?
improved garrote
short sedge
1st & 2nd bosses of mists are weird with marks no?
arctic socket
improved garrote
Thank you 
balmy condor
1st & 2nd bosses of mists are weird with marks no?
you just have to be careful that the first boss doesn't go friendly with a mark up
second boss isn't that weird though
short sedge
Yeah it is kind of cringe
balmy condor
then play fatebound
fiery mauve
short sedge
This is an even bigger headache
I have to explain to my tank that he shouldn't chainpull but also pull within 10 sec
fiery mauve
It's really not terrible cause you can just consume last mark and then don't envenom at max cp
short sedge
All for it to drop during some rp or whatever
arctic socket
Goblins rogues should get something special playing fatebound since it’s coin based
short sedge
Poor design all around
fiery mauve
balmy condor
I have to explain to my tank that he shouldn't chainpull but also pull within 10...
??????????
your tank should 100% chain pull
what are you smoking
short sedge
So you just don't use IC
balmy condor
you do
balmy condor
you get value from IC completely naturally even with the tank chaining
weak isle
homie should go to sleep
balmy condor
have to push github update
odd nebula
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balmy condor
and github being a bitch
weak isle
real
short sedge
I'm missing something then because besides vanish I don't see how I get value out of it staying in combat perma
balmy condor
your tank will not chain EVERY pack
there's pack that just naturally let you restealth
grim jay
you get value from IC completely naturally even with the tank chaining
Would you hit me if I trolled on that with the forbidden class talents?
balmy condor
they're the scary ones
you'll get value from those
even in the highest keys with full chaining
you're still getting like 15 stealths
chaining is good, it's a dps increase
but keys exist in a medium
people love pretending like it's some binary option
you either ALWAYS chain
or you ALWAYS restealth
and if you do one you're fucked and if you do the other you're also fucked
that's not how dungeons work
indigo mulch
I don't feel like most tanks actually chainpull properly though ;s
fiery mauve
balmy condor
I don't feel like most tanks actually chainpull properly though ;s
play with better tanks then
indigo mulch
Bruh, i'm old and super casual 😄 there are no "good" tanks here 😄
balmy condor
of course Sammy Shitpants in your +10 weekly vault pug isn't going to chain properly
fiery mauve
Become the good tank
balmy condor
you should be grateful that he woke up from his coma long enough to get aggro
but you're also not doing keys where this conversation is relevant
plain flower
Are we holding vanish for second kingsbane or send everytime
arctic socket
With the key scaling system is it possible to get ksm week one (when keys are released) doing 10s?
balmy condor
vanish is used for improved garrote, has no bearing on kingsbane
balmy condor
With the key scaling system is it possible to get ksm week one (when keys are re...
yes
arctic socket
Pog
plain flower
vanish is used for improved garrote, has no bearing on kingsbane
We dont stack it during kingsbane deathmark open?
balmy condor
you do, for improved garrote
kingsbane is not in this equation
it's purely improved garrote uptime during deathmark and that's it
plain flower
Subterfuge my beloved
grim jay
Oh no he mentioned the forbidden talents
plain flower
Surley master assassin gets buffed to 60%
balmy condor
and then what
plain flower
And then we take double vanish
balmy condor
???????
arctic socket
Let bro cook
plain flower
balmy condor
trolling or?
arctic socket
He might be onto something
balmy condor
he might be onto the best weed I've ever witnessed
grim jay
trolling or?
Ngl you had that conversion with him already
indigo mulch
LOL
grim jay
Or was it someone else that had it with him
plain flower
Smh my head
balmy condor
if you buffed master assassination to 60% you might not even take master assassin
arctic socket
What about 80%
balmy condor
I mean just make it 100 at that point
plain flower
if you buffed master assassination to 60% you might not even take master assassi...
Please theorycraft something to make me want to take double vanish
balmy condor
probably taken then
balmy condor
Please theorycraft something to make me want to take double vanish
I can't
it's literally impossible
the talent is unsalvageable
balmy condor
they should replace it with any effect that provides value
as opposed to the current talents, which do not provide value
like idk
add more points of lethality
just make the entire right column a 2/2 lethality, and then a 1/1 lethality
instantly like 5-6% better
royal lantern
ngl, deathstalker plays so bad, its incredible 
grim jay
I can't
#assassination message
Nvm it was cev. You wont change cozys subter/vanish addiction
royal lantern
peak clunky bs for no reason
arctic socket
ngl, deathstalker plays so bad, its incredible <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
Why’s that?
balmy condor
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1275383545057...
oh I'm wasting energy on an idiot
despair
arctic socket
I haven’t hit lvl 80 yet to test it
balmy condor
What the fuck do you want me to do about it I can't tell who's just clueless, who's huffed way too much paint thinner, and who's trolling
grim jay
Why is it paint thinner
austere sorrel
Why not all 3
fiery mauve
balmy condor
paint thinner definitely damages your brain way more
austere sorrel
Min max your brain damage
grim jay
The more you know
earnest remnant
just open outlaw channel for 5min then you are 95% there
grim jay
Guess I should stay away from that before the few remaining cells die
arctic socket
Can we theory craft the best way to commit brain damage
grim jay
arctic socket
Outlaw players built different
royal lantern
Outlaw players built different
ye, magnificent how the human body can function without a brain
grim jay
Think you would need to atleast hammer a nail into your head to be faster on the brain damage
fiery mauve
grim jay
THE LAG
Someone earlier said he had lags so bad he felt like he could jump through time
royal lantern
im legit auto hitting enemys dead with the lag
good thing our HeRo TrEe buffs auto hits
royal lantern
Eu isen't lagging either D:
ringing deeps is hell
grim jay
Maybe its just Cluster based
balmy condor
does azj-kahet not have world quests
grim jay
does azj-kahet not have world quests
Bless you
candid hull
@balmy condor Do you have any thoughts on what they could rework in the hero talents to make it more fun/engaging
balmy condor
why are there 0
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> Do you have any thoughts on what they could rework in the ...
no
candid hull
balmy condor
rogues spent all of dragonflight bitching that the class was too complicated and had too much going on
blizzard made boring ass hero talents
now we gotta live with it
balmy condor
the only thing I can suggest is just making it visually cool
candid hull
I think sub is a little complicated
arctic socket
Rogue was complicated?
royal lantern
its impressive that the hero trees are boring as hell AND AT THE SAME TIME make gameplay feel worse
arctic socket
Feels more complicated now
royal lantern
like, that deserves an shit award
indigo mulch
I hoenstly really hate that you have to be in stealth to activate the whole deathstalker thing. 😒
fiery mauve
Feel like there's too many resources available for any class to be complicated
indigo mulch
even if its not super duper big but it feels really bad when you can't get it off.
candid hull
I hoenstly really hate that you have to be in stealth to activate the whole deat...
Darkest night makes it a bit easier but still
wide ferry
What do you do when you get a chain pulling tank lol
candid hull
I just dont like pressing ambush, feels weird
grim jay
even if its not super duper big but it feels really bad when you can't get it of...
There shouldnt be a case where you dont get it off
Ever
Actually
fiery mauve
What do you do when you get a chain pulling tank lol
Be excited
indigo mulch
There shouldnt be a case where you dont get it off
Nah, i'm just talking when your running around in open world collecting things and randomly get into combat, i don't think it will be a gigantic issue in m+
grim jay
Nah, i'm just talking when your running around in open world collecting things a...
I can see it being annoying but does it really matter in that case?
candid hull
Open world stuff dies fast af anyways
fiery mauve
They dying slow at 80 
grim jay
They dying slow at 80 <:cryge:987225278768103444>
Thats kinda deep. But if you think about it, humans start dying slowly in their 30s
maiden sierra
@balmy condor when assassination delve guide (for dummies) 
royal lantern
I can see it being annoying but does it really matter in that case? <:bla:126468...
if you cant interact with a MAIN FEATURE OF THE EXPANSION outside of higher level dungeons or raids, yes, its kinda a failure
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> when assassination delve guide (for dummies) <:dogeing:109...
bleed stuff then envenom
maiden sierra
🙏
grim jay
if you cant interact with a MAIN FEATURE OF THE EXPANSION outside of higher leve...
Its whatever dungeons or raids or content
Except combat you enter involuntarily
In open world
Especially
Which should be rather rare outside of open world
candid hull
Even in open world I always just stealth when unmounted for the 20% speedbuff
balmy condor
if you cant interact with a MAIN FEATURE OF THE EXPANSION outside of higher leve...
tf you yapping about
grim jay
i got to 76 then had to sleep for work <:Sadge:925061644978114670>
Wish I could sleep for work
gusty mirage
How do you do fellow wow players?
grim jay
Easy money
gusty mirage
Jk I’m still not playing LMAO
gusty mirage
normal mist
How do you do fellow wow players?
Hoping you're doing amazing my man
gusty mirage
Well someone decided to drive into the car in front of them today adding 20 minutes to my hour drive to work
So we’re off to a bad start
But it’s Friday
grim jay
Well someone decided to drive into the car in front of them today adding 20 minu...
Had that yesterday
Ngl
candid hull
Well someone decided to drive into the car in front of them today adding 20 minu...
Someone totaled my car couple days ago
grim jay
They only touched with their bumpers but decided to just stay in the middle of the lane instead of driving to the side
candid hull
Their insurance will buy out my car and pay the market price, still sucks
gusty mirage
Someone totaled my car couple days ago
Yeah dealing with having to get a new car these days fucking sucks
Esp because everything’s so expensive
grim jay
Its kinda insane depending on car
gusty mirage
Its kinda insane depending on car
Idk man I’m looking at prices of all cars and it’s insane either way
Stock models that were going for $25k-28k brand new are like $40k+ now
Shits crazy
grim jay
Idk man I’m looking at prices of all cars and it’s insane either way
I could sell mine for 7k profit compared to what I paid 3 years ago
Electric cars are rather cheap around here
Used ones
sharp plover
So buy used?
gusty mirage
Same, the place I bought my car from 4 years ago won’t stop calling me
They keep insisting they can get me a better deal, but idk who’s going to give me a 0% interest loan on a car
God bless the Germans and their financing
grim jay
Currently if your record is fine you are looking at about 3-4%
candid hull
They keep insisting they can get me a better deal, but idk who’s going to give m...
This is impossible where I live
grim jay
If you just take money without directly financing
gusty mirage
This is impossible where I live
Ye it’s impossible everywhere now, I got giga lucky with this deal
Volkswagen was having a special financing deal and I jumped on it
grim jay
So buy used?
Would never recommend buying a new one
Unless its way below your yearly income
gusty mirage
Would never recommend buying a new one
Depends where you live sadly
candid hull
Depends where you live sadly
Here 2nd hand cars and 1st hand are almost the same
gusty mirage
In some markets used cars are just as expensive as a lower end new car
candid hull
Giga inflation where I live tho
grim jay
In some markets used cars are just as expensive as a lower end new car
Depends on which cars you compare I guess
cosmic saffron
guys is it bug or working as intended i.e blindisde procs don't put deathstalker mark on target ?
gusty mirage
Giga inflation where I live tho
Seems to be common everywhere these days 
spice surge
guys is it bug or working as intended i.e blindisde procs don't put deathstalker...
You are not in stealth, so its intended
candid hull
Seems to be common everywhere these days <:pepeW:945862126273191987>
We are 2nd after Argentina xd
gusty mirage
I mean obviously a used 911 costs more than a new middle class car
Brother
candid hull
I mean obviously a used 911 costs more than a new middle class car
A 2024 A3 here costs the same as a 2nd hand 2021 A3 somehow
I dont understand the market
gusty mirage
The markets haven’t made sense in 4 years, it just gets more and more confusing lmao
grim jay
A 2024 A3 here costs the same as a 2nd hand 2021 A3 somehow
Thats wild. The 2021 would be around 2/3 of the price around here
Currently
gusty mirage
I can sell my car and pay off my loan and put like
$8,000 in my pocket. But the problem is idk what I’d get to replace this thing
candid hull
Thats wild. The 2021 would be around 2/3 of the price around here
Imagine paying 57K euro for an A3
That's the price here
grim jay
Imagine paying 57K euro for an A3
What the 2023 a3 150HP 30k km 32k without haggling
gusty mirage
We should all just return to monke
grim jay
Top ad on car site
candid hull
What the <:PogO:1160145144872435792> 2023 a3 150HP 30k km 32k without haggling
Yeah but I cant get a car outside of country
Sucks
grim jay
Differences are wild
grim jay
Any decent used car is like $12-15k
I cant make sense out of your american prices anyways
gusty mirage
I cant make sense out of your american prices anyways
Don’t forget the tax for being American
Aka health insurance
fiery mauve
We should all just return to monke
yes
grim jay
Mine starts at 60k and goes up to 75k, weird american pricing
grim jay
Aka health insurance
Yeah thats wild anyways
And your cost of living in general
I mean compare yearly income. You are on the richer side if you earn 36k after taxes a year already
In germany
People probably average only slightly more than half of that
wide ferry
Cost of living is unreal in the northeast states. I pay 3k a month for a 1bedroom apartment w my wife lol.
spice spire
I pay 2450 for a 500sqft apartment in Toronto
Canada cities are cooked.
I 100% believe it
fiery mauve
Yeah but u guys use like not American dollars
wide ferry
With all due respect thats a closet, thats insane.
grim jay
3k a month is wild. We are looking at 1k euro in monthly rent for a 150m2 house around here
spice spire
2450 is still 1800 for 500 sqft
dark token
3k a month is wild. We are looking at 1k euro in monthly rent for a 150m2 house ...
I pay 2k pounds a month for a 50m2 flat
spice spire
what should I pick?
Deathstalker is like 2% better
arctic venture
nice.
spice spire
I pay 2k pounds a month for a 50m2 flat
aren’t you like literally in London
dark token
Yes
arctic venture
Tkx Makeit!
dark token
Still ridiculous
wide ferry
Wife has a ton of family in sicily, we can literally buy a 3 floor house on the ocean for 250k lol. Made of stone and cement.
spice spire
Still ridiculous
Agreed, similar to NYC pricing of “this is wild that you’re paying this”
But I expect it
lofty gazelle
Yeah idk housing is also cooked in Canada. My partner’s family home is attached with only 2 beds and the estimated market price is ~1.095 million. (According to the other similar houses that have sold on the street)
We’ll most likely have to move provinces because shit that’s 3-4 hours away are becoming just as expensive
wide ferry
dude nevermind if you have some sort of health complication thats costly. Its just nuts how they expect people to live nowadays.
grim jay
Always amazes me how you basically pay up to double of many peoples monthly expenses over here just for rent where you guys live
royal lantern
aren’t you like literally in London
spice spire
Oi
Really frozen has it the worst
He has to pay that ridiculous rent
Then has to look forward to beans for breakfast
spice spire
For breakfast?
grim jay
Uh wait do they just throw them on bread?
spice spire
Yes
grim jay
With or without seasoning?
spice spire
Yes
grim jay
Yeah idk about that one. Dont think tomato sauce really is it for that
grim jay
I did bake some red beans with spicy seasoning for a snack (no sauce) , might be a good snack in the morning tbf
grim jay
Rest of it looks fine tbh
Idk what that thing on the bottom is that looks like meat
distant plinth
fuck i went into a empowered delve so i wasted 1 key T_T
spice spire
Tomatoes + mushrooms eggs toast and meat
spice spire
fuck i went into a empowered delve so i wasted 1 key T_T
F.
distant plinth
gotta make a new rogue then
spice spire
Good thing it’s quick
grim jay
Think it’s meat of some kind not 100%
Looks like some weirdly shaped sausage (like Mettwurst)
grim jay
Tomatoes + mushrooms eggs toast and meat
Idk about the mushrooms tbh
stuck ridge
does envenom itself count as poison dmg or just nature? (for things like caustic splaster)
spice spire
Just a source or veg and it’s not like super duper common
spice spire
does envenom itself count as poison dmg or just nature? (for things like caustic...
Nature damage but it’s also a poison iirc they made it consistent across mastery Zoldyck’s etc
grim jay
Envenom is a poison
spice spire
is it really that bad or xD?
No
spice spire
Ok old man
grim jay
Ok old man
You are half a decade older than me
strange python
first time assassination user and i have no clue what im doing
stuck ridge
Nature damage but it’s also a poison iirc they made it consistent across mastery...
zoldyck?
grim jay
first time assassination user and i have no clue what im doing
!guide is what I recommend
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strange python
!guide is what I recommend
wont really apply til im 80 really right?
spice spire
first time assassination user and i have no clue what im doing
On a less overwhelming side, recommend a guide both written by great sin rogues
grim jay
wont really apply til im 80 really right?
Nothing really does, also the m+ builds are good for leveling. Never too early to learn tho
spice spire
The super basics
strange python
On a less overwhelming side, recommend a guide both written by great sin rogues
ooo cool ty for these
spice spire
Keep snd up maintain your bleeds and finish on max - 1 (that part changes later pending hero talents but I digress)
arctic socket
@spice spire new expansion new log reviews? 
spice spire
Unfort
spice spire
No man
spice spire
Nah
minor gate
How’s the first day boys
nova aspen
ngl, fatebound seems much easier to play and for only 1-2% less dmg i might roll with it
playing fatebound perfectly > deathstalker subpar i would imagine
zinc frost
Did minimal was fun
Based
stuck ridge
why does shadowmeld stealth macro often doesnt work in combat ?
agaisnt trash that is
its very inconsistent
little tulip
hey i have this video of me playing sassin in a low key, i have some questions about stuff
like when do you refresh envenom and also stuff i could do better i guess
it's fun
i should be trying to rupture extra mobs to get more energy regen right? like when do you FoK
royal lantern
Baked beans
you are out little baked bean 
raven night
i like the ui, its so put together
raven night
nah just the whole thing, low resolution
and u kinda put it together nice
the hud is cool too
grim jay
its very inconsistent
Because its just like that. Thats why its not worth to go for that aswell. Everything can pull you back into combat again.
little tulip
:b
grim jay
ngl, fatebound seems much easier to play and for only 1-2% less dmg i might roll...
Defensives are a thing aswell tho
little tulip
doing short form videos is kinda fun
grim jay
And it isnt really that difficult
little tulip
none of the responsibility to the audience but yeah idk what to look for
bronze heath
Hey guys i dont know why but my tricks weakaura isnt working with the macro : here is my wa
https://wago.io/kQ2LnX4zP
and the macro #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
used to work before i updated it,
Any thoughts?
raven night
none of the responsibility to the audience but yeah idk what to look for
well if u want advice ur prolly gonna want to include logs and/or an action tracker
little tulip
yeah i figured heheh
raven night
as much as i like it, its kinda impossible to tell what ur pressing
little tulip
can you answer any rule of thumbs? does refreshing crimson tempest follow rupture/garrote where you want to wait for pandemic
bronze heath
It's high priority on big number of target
little tulip
so i just spent +5 on a crimson should my next finisher be another crimson or an envenom?
since it's a bleed you just envenom?
tawdry flint
does anyone have a good weak aura for marks / darkest nght
nova aspen
Defensives are a thing aswell tho
managing fok more just seems more annoying
nova aspen
i should probably read what that does
i was following this, assuming the norm was playing without it
grim jay
Whispyr is following vicious venoms closely as there are things getting fixed
nova aspen
the top rotation just looks so much easier than the bottom lol
but i guess its just ER and the occasional fok
shy dust
grim jay
the top rotation just looks so much easier than the bottom lol
Yeah they arent that different in the grand scheme. But with vicious venoms you dont fok in ST either way
And odds are it might be the play
nova aspen
would vicious venoms only be a ST talent?
grim jay
Yes
late surge
blackjack > tricks
full summit
What hero talents should I run?
grim jay
so in m+ you would still fok in st
In m+ yes
nova aspen
in a 2.5m overall m+ we're talking +50k dps for going deathstalker over fatebound?
so 2.55m overall
late surge
isnt deathstalker just insanely superior defensive wise?
grim jay
isnt deathstalker just insanely superior defensive wise?
Dunno if its insane
But decently yes
full summit
Whatever you like
kk
late surge
yeah kinda overexaggerated
grim jay
I mean you basically have more options for all the damage
Which sin definitely wants
On the high end
late surge
its only the evasion gives magic dr and cloak gives phys dr node right?
or am I missing smth
late surge
yeah its nice, was just wondering if I overlooked something
cyan socket
guys my rogue is orc and im thinking about spend my lvl 70 boost to get an nightelf rogue. Its is worth to progress/m+?
normal mist
Not really
grim jay
Not at all
normal mist
But it's your choice
Meld works and it's cool to meld -> stealth, but it's not guaranteed
It can not work sometimes
spice surge
For raid orc is the best
normal mist
Probably
spice surge
Its orc
cursive frost
But also not a big enough difference to influence your decision
Transmog look should really drive decisions
spice surge
Ye ofc
cursive frost
There is plenty of scientific research that shows looking good = more dps than just selecting the highest sim dps race even though it’s ugly
normal mist
I totally agree with those scientists
spice spire
For raid orc is the best
You’re the best tho
cloud basin
of course they make the dagger i want a quest reward so now i gotta hunt for it..
final star
you are out little baked bean <:dracthyr_love:1002454142524067861>
cultural appropriation
final star
Yeah idk about that one. Dont think tomato sauce really is it for that
it's not regular tomato sauce, it's more sweet
final star
Tomatoes + mushrooms eggs toast and meat
that's not toast it's an overcooked hash brown
spice spire
Isn’t toast pretty common
final star
britain mentioned
spice spire
Not using that one specific
spice spire
I’m ngl ourside if beans and (I think it’s some weird pudding?) British breakfast is fine and makes sense to me
final star
beans are good
spice spire
But BEANS buddy?
final star
surely you've had some proper baked beans
spice spire
I’ve had barbecued (American) and non American (British)
wide ferry
black beans in a spicy burrito is top tier
void pecan
When Americans think beans, we think like.. canned beans for BBQ. Those British beans ain't that.
final star
barely a sauce
spice spire
I’ll die on this hill
spice spire
That makes it worse 
final star
makes it better 
void pecan
Is it because it's separate? But you're fine with like a breakfast burrito?
spice spire
Or wait.
The logic is that it cuts the saltiness?
spice spire
Is it because it's separate? But you're fine with like a breakfast burrito?
No it’s the fact that it’s sauced
Even frijoles with huevos rancheros makes sense to me
void pecan
Ahh. Yeah fair enough. It is kinda strange.
spice spire
Also don’t normally do beans in a breakfast burrito but that also makes sense
spice spire
I knew I could count on you, Rae.
final star
I'd be with you if they tasted like kidney or pinto beans or something
But they don't
spice spire
Not saying they do.
I just don’t get it.
Maybe contextually in an exact bit it makes sense. But otherwise it’s very strange to me (just like many American foods to you, I’m sure)
ancient tangle
do you guyz know the time that serrated bone spike last in pvp ?
spice spire
That’s fine
final star
they are even less of breakfasty beans 
void pecan
I was just trying to get down to if it's beans it self for breakfast or if it's like... Something else.
slate crown
I should also say beans are a default/primary protein source for me so they go with everything for me, maybe I'm biased
spice spire
I was just trying to get down to if it's beans it self for breakfast or if it's ...
It’s the something else for me.
Beans themselves are whatever
spice spire
I should also say beans are a default/primary protein source for me so they go w...
Are you vegetarian/vegan?
slate crown
Yeah, the latter
spice spire
Oh hey TIL
Vegan food is good as fuck because you have to put effort into it
Anywhere I’ve had it
slate crown
Vegan food is good as fuck because you have to put effort into it
yeah had to learn to how actually use spices n shit
final star
yeah had to learn to how actually use spices n shit
So not British food then
slate crown
spring socket
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slate crown
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final star
I love you so much Kieron
my chef credentials are out in the open, so I get the pass 🤝
spice spire
Agreed.
Sometimes you post sus takeout
Outside of that your stuff looks non British so you get a pass 
final star
arctic socket
@spice spire what’s your thoughts on vegan meat
spice spire
Half and half.
I’ve had some very good versions of vegan meat,
I’ve also had some very bad
Kinda depends on who does it ig
arctic socket
Fast food stuff they try in my opinion is horrible
slate crown
Best vegan "meat" I've had is the stuff that doesn't try or pretend too hard. It's not meat, it's something else, and should be used as if it's something else, and when it just tries to be its own thing it's good
spice spire
About the same LE
Fast food meat substitute has never worked for me
Also had a vegan burger at my favorite vegan place and it tasted like liquid smoke on top of like cafeteria burger
So it’s like the one thing I’ve had there that doesn’t work
grim jay
beans belong in breakfast burritos
You are so real for that
Also thunfisch texana or mexicana
For breakfast
candid hull
!pooling