assassination

[silk bane]

is that bronncena?

[quiet oar]

Yes Mikanikos had bronn

but i mean the CDR per target struck

up to 20 seconds

i think

[mystic osprey]

[haughty flicker]

i miss kyrian phial

because i was bad at the game

but phial fixed that for me

[silk bane]

er had this?no shot

idk anything about shadowlands stuff

just know kyrians got an owl or something

to sing for them

[shy pecan]

Yeah it was nice

[quiet oar]

Well now that you say that im not sure anymore

[grim jay]

That was the worst shit ever

Id play hunter if I wanted pets

[quiet oar]

Ye bronn was a terrorists

[shy pecan]

You did

[quiet oar]

Did ER "explode"?

to get the 20 seconds

i remember something, but my memory is bad

[earnest remnant]

yes

it cleaved with a tiny dot

[quiet oar]

25 second ER

[earnest remnant]

and gave some cdr

[quiet oar]

poggies

or was it less

for ER

i know it was 5 second er enemy as Survival

[earnest remnant]

i do not remember how much it was

[quiet oar]

but that made a 1 minute cooldown to 40 seconds for survival

maybe it was 3 seconds for ER

[grim jay]

S

[grim jay]

Fucking

Urvival

[quiet oar]

I was too slow

just screenshotted it

[quiet oar]

I played it before S3

actively

dont meta shame me

[grim jay]

Idk honestly since its half ranged half melee it kinda sucks

It was cool as melee only

[quiet oar]

i mean ER every 30 seconds still kinda pog

[royal lantern]

mf tells that the server scalie

[shy pecan]

Oh Tryan is here. Can talk even more about how great having SL abilities for today’s rogue are

[royal lantern]

huh

[shy pecan]

Yeah

Your favorite

[royal lantern]

im confused

[shy pecan]

Talking about great things to come from SL

Like the rogue covenant abilities

[rotund oak]

flag

[steel ridge]

That one was cool

[hexed frost]

Sub with double sylvanas daggers and flag was absolutely broken

[analog hornet]

What means in Raider-Io "Realm"? Is that the Server? 🤔

[hexed frost]

More broken than uldir sub funnel padding

[earnest remnant]

thats a take alright

[quiet oar]

thats definitely a take

[hexed frost]

Oh man why can't we have kingsbane and queensbane as a choice node

[quiet oar]

not a sane one

but a take

[hexed frost]

[hexed frost]

I had more fun tunneling with flag and double daggers than on uldir with that particular talent

[quiet oar]

Thats someting else

than saying its more broken

Because it was not

[hexed frost]

Anyways it's year of the assa now

[quiet oar]

You mean

3 weeks

[hexed frost]

[quiet oar]

because it gets nerfed again

and sub will succeed as best spec again, because no one played it before

[hexed frost]

Why is this server so pessimistic Jesus

[royal lantern]

cant wait for assa to be nerfed even thought its allready mediocre in raids, and the thing is that 2 aoe things are overtuned

[hexed frost]

Ya all are more pessimistic than the outlaw guys and that says a lot

[earnest remnant]

History always repeats itself

[royal lantern]

we saw that pattern like 5x in a row now

[quiet oar]

Ye

that happens very often

[earnest remnant]

its a massive W for me tho

so i take those

[hexed frost]

BfA azerite traits made assa M+ kang, atleast sort of

[quiet oar]

its a massive L for me
so i dont want to take those

[earnest remnant]

yeh for half a season lol

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/v-a-sly-racoon-gif-20903340

[hexed frost]

I don't want assa to be dumbed down now because the more the people play it, the more chances of it getting nerfed

[royal lantern]

huh

[hexed frost]

Like, bring back nighstalker and snapshotting

[earnest remnant]

my two cents

Assa AoE is gonna get smacked down a bit

[royal lantern]

by that logic, paladin/warrior/druid/hunter/mage would always be giga nerfed lol

[earnest remnant]

but i dont see a reason to nerf its single target

[royal lantern]

ye

like, it overall could use some SMALL buffs to its ST, and some nerfs to CT/general aoe talents

and thats it

[earnest remnant]

nah very much doubt

[hexed frost]

Remember the vampire chicken didn't get nerfed throughout shadowlands season 2, because playing around 3 min CDs was very tough, even though the burst was absolutely insane

[earnest remnant]

its in a good place right now

[earnest remnant]

cuz the cd itself was broken, but their overall dmg was not

they just broke certain encounters

with how much burst they had

[hexed frost]

Remove CT and buff splatter maybe..less buttons to press

[earnest remnant]

spatter is the one thats getting nerfed lol

[royal lantern]

ans venthyr balance evened itself out by the fact that boomkins are the most stupid mf's on the planet and could barely play it

[earnest remnant]

i think Spatter is gonna take an 8% hit to its ratio

[royal lantern]

ye, smth like that

[earnest remnant]

or probably down from 45% to 35%

[hexed frost]

One of the best things to ever happen to assassination
Gets nerfed

What did blizzard mean by this?

[earnest remnant]

cuz its currently overtuned?

its that simple

and the only way to touch on Spatter being like 50% of your AoE in keys

[hexed frost]

We also losing the current 4P explosion, so it balances out (not talking about rapid injection)

[earnest remnant]

is to nerf spatter directly

and not the abilities affecting it

im not talking about live assa

[royal lantern]

???

how does it balance it out when its overtuned in the BETA without it

[hexed frost]

Maybe it's year of the assa afterall

[earnest remnant]

Spatters conversion ratio is just to high for where the rest of its dmg is

[hexed frost]

[royal lantern]

ye, like

[midnight mist]

spatter is 45 % ?

[royal lantern]

stealthi is correct in every way there lol

[earnest remnant]

yeh

[midnight mist]

wtf

bf is 50%

[earnest remnant]

BF is also all of your dmg

[royal lantern]

bf is all dmg, spatter is only poison dmg

[earnest remnant]

Spatter is only poison

[hexed frost]

Isn't splatter like 14-16%, atleast on live though. Bf even on live is 50%

[earnest remnant]

Just so happens that with DS

[midnight mist]

sure ye

[earnest remnant]

Envenom hits like a nuke

also iam definitly over shooting it when i say 50% of their dmg

its more like 20-25

but hopefully they only touch the AoE part of the spec

so its still viable for the people that wanna raid with it

[round nexus]

first key ever as assa, +4 HoF..
At least it's a start

[glacial stump]

Great start

[quiet oar]

Best we can do is nerfing envenome mutilate and Autoattacks by 10%

and KB by 20%

just for the memes

[round nexus]

Well, i am 514 outlaw geared, but no enchants on daggers and never pressed my trinkets the whole run xD

[glacial stump]

Beating a pally and enh in a +4 as a sin is really good man

[round nexus]

🙂

Do we use echoing reprimand or 2 vanish charges in dungeons in TWW beta?

[remote vector]

Hi, is there any guides for the pre-patch and TWW Assa rogue?

[royal lantern]

2vanish is 100%ussules

[royal lantern]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[remote vector]

I can only find ones for PVP, although i mainly do Raids and M+

[royal lantern]

wowhead is written by whispyr

the guy that does all the stuff + much of the TC things here

answers 95% of questions

[orchid pewter]

Very much depends on your tank id say

[royal lantern]

no it doesnt

its ussules lol

[terse orchid]

Why doesn't this link Maxroll? I was told that was also Whispyr's guide

[orchid pewter]

Sure buddy

[static glacier]

@balmy condor It's now confirmed you are a robot

[round nexus]

I just think echoing is a bloated skill, wish it didnt exist

[royal lantern]

and 2nd vanish is 4(!!!!!!!!!) dead talent points for literally 1 additonal vanish use trought out an entire dungeon/raid boss fight

like, you can drop ER and take Coldblood+lethality

but 2nd vanish is the most stupid thing you could take

[royal lantern]

its no "sure buddy" its a fact

[round nexus]

sure buddy ❤️

[royal lantern]

like, if you really dont wanna play er

just take coldblood+lethality and call it a day

[limber lion]

Again, it's not twice as many Vanishes. It's literally just one extra vanish

Instead of 20 vanishes in a dungeon, you now get 21

And have to path through Subterfuge which is useless

Very cool

[terse orchid]

But soothing darkness tho

[orchid pewter]

Eh idk, having extra vanish when tank doesnt give you restealth beats er every day of the week imo

[royal lantern]

literally

read

[terse orchid]

If you're needing to use vanish between pulls because your tank is a douche nozzle, you have bigger problems than the talents you pick tbh

[royal lantern]

what cev just said

[jovial verge]

here we go again

[royal lantern]

• you dont need IC for aoe dmg

but cool, i gues

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

something something definition of insanity

[remote vector]

I just looked at the M+ rotation and noticed the Caustic Spatter gets applied super late. Isn't that a whole lot of damage loss?

[earnest remnant]

spatter only copies poison dmg

you dont really do alot of that until you are done setting up

[static glacier]

spatter doesn't do dmg until you start env / kb

while ur just spammning out gar / rup and ct it only copies wep poison applications which is tiny esp since you dont have env up to improve application rate

[remote vector]

ah, thats why i use Fan right after to apply the juice

[static glacier]

gar > rup => ct > spatter > kb for debuff prio

in aoe if ur opening

there's openers in the guides for aoe

[remote vector]

yeah i'm looking at them rn

what if kingsbane is on cd?

[static glacier]

then you just do everything else

all kb does is tie you into trying to hit 1 target + makes maintaining spatter on that 1 targ super high prio

which in turn makes it essentially a requirement that you've already rupture'd the target

[remote vector]

which of the M+ Talents are "best"? cause there is Bleed, Hybrid and Cleave

[mystic osprey]

hybrid

bleed for low keys

it should say on the threead

[kind forge]

the obsession with restealth ^^

[kind forge]

i personally like the hybrid with bone spike

[static glacier]

whisp reccomends bleeds more than hybrid iirc

ye

[limber lion]

Bleed everywhere

[mild trench]

This was pinned 2 weeks ago

[grim jay]

Think Whispyr said it might realistically be 2

Depending on holding

But ye same point

[limber lion]

Well obviously

[static glacier]

1-3 would be what i'd expect

still its not good enough

[limber lion]

Also depends on the length of the dungeon and whatever

And whether you use Vanish on CD or not

[grim jay]

At this point tbf its more frustrating that its so bad

Rather than people thinking its better than it is

[limber lion]

It's missing the part where it's good

Like 30s less cd on Vanish or whatever

[thin kernel]

It should have been 1 min vanish

[static glacier]

we're never going to get away from BfA's reliance on SS gar being stuck in people's minds

[grim jay]

Yeah either flat cdr for vanish or separate cooldowns for the charges

[limber lion]

Funnily enough the current SS works out of stealth anyways

You don't get the cp, but you do thr damage

You's only vanish for IG and IC

Which is super whatever anyways

[royal lantern]

then it would be actually worth soemthing

[safe rover]

Nelf meld on trash allow a re stealth?

[rotund oak]

i think u dont understand how meld works but lemme explain

Meld is a diff type of stealth but u need to be stationary

u get out of combat and press stealth

then u can continue

Meld can backfire many times,its not 100% consistent

u cna range-agro and stay in combat or bugs out,or u get some random dmg and randomly breaks meld or stealth

and last but not least,meld doesnt trigger stealth bar nor subterfuge

[safe rover]

So it is possible, just inconsistent but might allow a few restealths when tanks chain pull

[rotund oak]

it allows u to get more stealths yes

[safe rover]

🫡

[kind forge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[rotund oak]

this was my next big move man

[terse orchid]

isn't IG like 50% extra damage?

[kind forge]

got your back sap

[grim jay]

Still sucky

Not worth

[haughty flicker]

at least if you play nelf for meld you still get to look good

[grim jay]

Ancient sap cant reach to his back anymore anyways

[haughty flicker]

not like playing stinky dwarf

[grim jay]

So someone else needs to have it

[static glacier]

imagine if blizzard took out the stealth mechanics for sin

[kind forge]

yeah relatable for me tbh

[static glacier]

life would be good

[terse orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-gif-3478694

[grim jay]

Would be pretty bad tbf

[grim jay]

We are all getting old ngl

[static glacier]

we wouldn't have to constantly argue about restealths

[terse orchid]

At that point we'd just be non-furry ferals

[grim jay]

I dont mind englightening the illiterate

[potent dagger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

the core issue is there is truth in that losing restealths is a dps loss, it's just the scale of the loss that is wildly overblown

[grim jay]

But its also a situational truth

[static glacier]

don't you come at me with the group-wide view

you have to know that only MY dps on details matters

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

as long as him here, assa is a furry spec

get used to it buddy

[grim jay]

I mean thats part of it, but I was about to hit you with the "good chainpulls are still a net gain" bat

Btw are they used so much that I need to have them there 2 times?

[static glacier]

ye that's the groupwide bigger picture argument

I would be in favour of IC being its own button like pre-rework

on a 1m cdish

[grim jay]

I mean same

[rotund oak]

heretics

[static glacier]

this might be a cooked take if people don't think on it too much

but s dance in s3-4 offered a lot of flexibility

[grim jay]

But I would double down and prefer a separate IC button AND the buff from stealth

[static glacier]

and it was completely fine to desync it from kb in aoe

[royal lantern]

emotes of RH

[grim jay]

Should just be full of

[acoustic sky]

is the best one imo

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

[static glacier]

I think that would work, main issue I have in an IC + danceless world is the ramp up time - yes I agree real chain pulls are good

issue is tanks will leave a pack with like 1-2 mobs at sub 5% hp about to die in 2 secs

and they chain then

so it's not really a chain, it's just a fuck you

[grim jay]

And an insanely bad tank

[static glacier]

no player who actually has a feel for sin would complain about real chain pulls

since you'll have SoB stacks up for the whole time anyway and good energy economy

the way I explain it to friends is "if you wanna chain fine, if you wanna pack by pack fine, don't chain with 1 mob thats dead in 1 sec though"

[grim jay]

Maybe they are sad because without restealths they cant

Garret 1
Garret 2
Garret 3
Rupture 4
Vendetta exsanguinate
FoK fok
Rupture again
Vanish to reapply Garrets
Then gonna CT
Look at my damage
Fucking 40k dude its fucking over

[kind forge]

[static glacier]

it's spinning plates, people need to wake up out of the env spam haze they live in and realise they will have to reapply ruptures

[grim jay]

Best thing was when he exsanguinated the target that only had rupture and no garrote

[static glacier]

maybe there's an argument for there being too many plates

gar / rup / spatter / ct are the main ones

[terse orchid]

Spinning plates has always been the best part of the spec anyway

[grim jay]

Sounds like a bad setup

[static glacier]

I think for the average player without time dedicated into the spec it can be unintuitive

how are they supposed to judge rupture vs ct vs gar vs spatter

[terse orchid]

Nothing wrong with that. Not every spec has to be unga bunga havoc

[royal lantern]

mate

[grim jay]

How did you judge it after the rework?

[royal lantern]

havoc is harder and more involved then 90% of specs lol

[static glacier]

me? I read a guide xd

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/jackpot-aj-paul-777-jack-rabbit-gif-27438555

[static glacier]

but my mind naturally prios rup and gar during IC

[bronze pike]

This

Ret is like

Unga boonga now

Warrior too

[static glacier]

it's not harder, it's just hard in a different way

[terse orchid]

Fine Fury then. I haven't looked at havoc since release and saw the idiocy that is momentum

[grim jay]

"now"

[static glacier]

if that makes sense

[bronze pike]

Based that is momentum

[bronze pike]

More than normal

[haughty flicker]

ret has become very ooga booga

[bronze pike]

My cd is gone

[terse orchid]

Tho afaik havoc still has an extremely low skill floor. It's just to get the last 10% out of it requires skill

[bronze pike]

It’s wake of ashes now

[bronze pike]

No?

It’s skill floor is average with every melee spec

Essb window

[static glacier]

the lining up immo aura charges for eye beam > death sweep + glaive tempest or EB burst windows is reminiscent of sub, playing inertia dashes is where I think havoc is difficult for people bc it's unlike any other class

[bronze pike]

Kingsbane window

[static glacier]

I personally find havoc super pleasant and intutiive to play

[bronze pike]

Same

[plain flower]

Assa will be fine

[bronze pike]

There’s a million stand still specs

[plain flower]

Double vanish

All we need

[bronze pike]

Let havoc have movement

[static glacier]

you baiting brother?

[grim jay]

Please tell me you are trolling

[static glacier]

we just finished this debate for the 1048893202 time

[plain flower]

Always having vanish for kingsbane is nasty

[quiet oar]

[static glacier]

they don't interact

[grim jay]

Alright must be trolling

[static glacier]

ngl this was an unexpected angle, the kingsbane + vanish angle

[plain flower]

We still have master assassin or whatever the crit thing from stealth

[haughty flicker]

if they cant see you use kingsbane they cant parry it

genius really

[static glacier]

they nerfed kingsbane + took away shadow dance, vanish is more important as an IC activator than as a MA button in aoe

[grim jay]

Except that its bad

And that you still dont have vanish for every kb

With 2nd vanish

[static glacier]

and you wouldn't take double vanish bc it costs so many capstone talent points

[plain flower]

We will be fine

[static glacier]

yeah we will

[plain flower]

And if we arent theres always sub xd

Until it gets nerfed then by transitive property assa will be good again

[grim jay]

We sure will be, but not because of vanish

Sin also deals more dmg on beta currently

(probably gonna get nerfed)

[plain flower]

Yall sleeping on double vansh fr fr

[haughty flicker]

the hidden sims show double vanish is op

wake up sheeple

[plain flower]

+1

[grim jay]

Nah, double vanish is worse and everyone spreading 2nd vanish propaganda should stop

[limber lion]

It's not even double vanish

Why ya'll saying double vanish

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-sleepy-kitten-tired-cat-good-night-gif-25943194

[limber lion]

It's one extra vanish

[plain flower]

Its two vanish charges

Contrarian

[grim jay]

Especially since Whispyr even said sims overvalue 2nd charge already

[static glacier]

wake up sheeple, its double vanish

[plain flower]

Ass

[static glacier]

i press it twice in a row

duh

[haughty flicker]

big er wants to hide the truth of double vanish

[static glacier]

entered a deeper level of vanish

[haughty flicker]

dont let them

[grim jay]

Its just "double vanish charges" but ye I guess it might be missleading

[plain flower]

You cant vanish away your depression though unfortunately

Even with 2

[static glacier]

true stealth, can walk past mobs with truesight now without a priest

[terse orchid]

they're just sandbagging to make sure we don't get nerfed in 3 weeks

[limber lion]

It's 2 vanish charges

[plain flower]

You say this like it isnt the case

Like not even talking vanish rn

[static glacier]

whispyr sandbagging rumors v5 edition

[terse orchid]

That's why we have arterial precision

[static glacier]

depression is so 2010

[haughty flicker]

just dont be sad

[limber lion]

2 vanish charges is the worst talent in the tree, I'll say it. Taking it means not taking ER or CB, so it's actively a big dps loss to pick it

[static glacier]

exactly, bel gets it

[limber lion]

At least the utility nodes at the top are compared between other 0 dps utility nodes

[plain flower]

https://tenor.com/view/tweakin-gif-22987107

[limber lion]

Not a 0 dps utility vanish node vs actual good dps nodes

[static glacier]

I think subterfuge is worse

[royal lantern]

holy shit

[limber lion]

Nah because the path to double vanish is longer thus a bigger dps loss

[quiet oar]

Are you a therapist

[grim jay]

Yes so its double the charges

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[grim jay]

[limber lion]

Subterfuge is a loss of 1 dps point

Double vanish is 2 points

[plain flower]

1x1=2

[static glacier]

subt alone is 2 points, double vanish is 3

[limber lion]

Yeah

[static glacier]

we can add soothing darkness to the count

bruh 4 talent points for an extra vanish charge

how scam

[quiet oar]

OP

[static glacier]

atleast shadowheart doesn't actively hinder your dps output

[quiet oar]

Only 4 talent points for 1 extra charge

[plain flower]

60% crit on kingsbane 2 times tho :////

[quiet oar]

insane

[steel ridge]

xD

[plain flower]

[grim jay]

Except that you dont

[static glacier]

where you getting that crit from

tell me

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[quiet oar]

BEcause doulbe vanish press

[plain flower]

I cant count

[limber lion]

Very interesting

[quiet oar]

30% + 30% is 60%

[steel ridge]

those nodes are outlaw only

[quiet oar]

easy as tthat

[static glacier]

I NEED THAT CRIT

[limber lion]

As if you even play MA

[plain flower]

Why not

We have 2 vanishes

[royal lantern]

i just crit anyway

[quiet oar]

This dude is trolling

[royal lantern]

MA is for losers that cant crit

[grim jay]

Cozy is trolling really hard rn

[quiet oar]

This is the way

[limber lion]

Yeh

[plain flower]

[limber lion]

But some people genuienly don't know the difference between 2 vanish charges and twice as many vanishes

[plain flower]

Well im gonna be running it pvp 100%

[limber lion]

Good for you

[quiet oar]

PvP

[terse orchid]

Used to be those types of people would be contained to outlul. What happened

[plain flower]

And pve 😉

[haughty flicker]

ok but the pvp mog in tww is sick

so better learn to double vanish

[royal lantern]

beta has only m+ rn

assa is overtuned in beta m+

fotm monkeys now flood in here

[grim jay]

But the logic is really sound actually. If you already gimp yourself with double vanish, you might aswell use whatever other talents you feel like

[royal lantern]

the ussual thing tbh

[steel ridge]

oh no

anyway

[royal lantern]

[quiet oar]

[grim jay]

[plain flower]

Need vanish emoji with the 2 charges

[quiet oar]

[grim jay]

Whispyr would probably close the channel before that happens

[plain flower]

Next you guys are gonna say youd rather have shadow dance back then 2 vanish charges 🗣️

[grim jay]

How did you guess

[static glacier]

sheeple don't understand that dancing is for losers

[plain flower]

Right let the twink subs do it

Assa needs a smegma poison

Alright ima log off

[static glacier]

[grim jay]

I think double vanish comes close

[plain flower]

Alright you got me there

[kind forge]

[grim jay]

Cant fault the brah

[steel ridge]

muskelbruder?

[grim jay]

[steel ridge]

[grim jay]

Imagine calling yourself that

Even if he were jacked

(he aint)

[quiet oar]

💪

[cerulean walrus]

Garret 1 Garret 2

[plain flower]

What is our stat prio looking like early?

[quiet oar]

Doubl Vanish > Agility > idk

[grim jay]

Based

We need critcap tho

For maximum restealth value

[plain flower]

Dont need crit we have Ma

[grim jay]

Critcap is separate

You always need critcap

[spice plover]

In a M+ build with only 1 Shiv charge do I use it before the Kingsbane or at the end of Kingsbane?

[limber lion]

Ideally towards the end, but it's probably safe to just send it on cooldown if you play AP

If you don't play AP, then def with KB

[terse orchid]

Don't you mean you're gonna vanish?

[limber lion]

It's a bit of a thing that you yourself make the decision depending on current circumstance

Shiv on CD is pretty good atm

As much as possible

You kinda don't wanna sit on Shiv for like 15s, that's not great

[spice plover]

k thanks, looking at the hybrid Bonespike build from wowhead as my starting point. So no Arteriel Precision

[limber lion]

Good stuff, just save one for KB and use it with it

Glgl

[spice plover]

perfect

and keep 1 Tea charge for that as well and use the rest when energy is needed I guess?

[limber lion]

Well tea is a bit different

Because you kinda don't wanna do that anymore with KB and always for energy with Shiv

But in big packs you're already max energy, so you kinda wanna use it for the mastery buff

But in ST you only use it for Shiv + energy windows

If you're at 3 charges, just send one charge right away after setting up the initial IC bleeds in packs

A bit convoluted answer, sorry

But yeah ST = for energy during Shiv
AoE = for mastery or if capped on charges

[spice plover]

I only did outlaw/sub in the previous seasons with a bit assa to try it out. Should get the hang of it after a few runs. Specially with only 1 shiv charge it is less demanding on timing. Can send it at 8 sec remaining on Kingsbane with a Tea and be happy.

and then figure out what to do with the other 2 charges and see how it feels

[wide sand]

@balmy condor dont you dare talk to Max when rogue is good, thank you 😄

[rotund oak]

whispyr is famous,max talks to him

its the other way around

[earnest remnant]

ive happily dodged that bullet

not the speaking to whispyr part

the not being on max's stream

id crumble

stagefreight would kick my ass

[oak eagle]

same

[rotund oak]

wdym stagefreight

like are u afraid of the stage?

[earnest remnant]

thousands of people silently judging me reacting in chat

[rotund oak]

bruh let dem btchies be

[earnest remnant]

so yes the term stagefreight

[rotund oak]

who cares,they need to come to ur lvl

its like going to the toilet and someone passes outside ur door when u pee

u dont care,u just pee

[earnest remnant]

i care, otherwise i wouldnt have stagefreight

[limber lion]

Can't get rid of stage fright if you never perform

[rotund oak]

yeah thats what im saying,u dont have to care

abandon fear,its simple

[limber lion]

Well it's not that simple

[grim jay]

Wouldve gladly listened to some lovely raccoon tunes

[quiet oar]

Damn this is so wise

[limber lion]

I hate that I no longer have the ability to delete messages

[limber lion]

That's literally what it is though

[quiet oar]

Ye it is

[limber lion]

Nothing wise about it

It's the literal definition

Lol

[quiet oar]

I know

[grim jay]

As long as he doesnt come in and chooses the one next to me

[quiet oar]

Im Sarcastic, because Sap used the

"Just dont be scared"

[limber lion]

Fair fair

[quiet oar]

Its like goin to someone with Depression "Just be happy"

[rotund oak]

yes its the gentle slap to awaken his alpha spirit

[grim jay]

Thanks im fine

[limber lion]

Just don't be poor

[quiet oar]

TRUE

[grim jay]

Thats based

Could just work

[quiet oar]

If you are a man and have depression

[earnest remnant]

just be born into a trustfund?

[quiet oar]

Why dont you hit the Gym!?

[earnest remnant]

just buy a house

[grim jay]

Didnt help

[quiet oar]

Its so easy

smh my head

[quiet oar]

Just pay it out of your pocket

Wdym with debts !?

[grim jay]

Idk there are countries where its nearly impossible to be poor

[rotund oak]

give birth to a trustfund,be chucknorris

[grim jay]

As in not being able to afford the basics

[earnest remnant]

trustfund is a bit different

just slightly xD

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Just let your parents pay off the debts and get it for free

#lifehacks

[quiet oar]

Just buy the house from your mother for a third of the price

[grim jay]

Why would you buy it tho

[rotund oak]

or just pay for ur own stuff,never listen to anyone,be a king
#NoFsGiven

[quiet oar]

So she doesnt have to pay anymore and can afford stuff for herself

[grim jay]

Id just pay her rent or something ig

[earnest remnant]

imagine have house debt

why didn't you just buy the house back in the 30s?

were you slacking or?

[quiet oar]

Damn

[grim jay]

Jokes on you

Would be in debt

In germany

[quiet oar]

I knew i shouldve bought a house instead of learning to walk and speak

[rotund oak]

that house should be 100 years old now,the entropy should be storng enough to make it crumble buddy

[earnest remnant]

just be 14 with 20 years of work experience

[earnest remnant]

that would be some 3rd world typa house shit

[grim jay]

German houses dont crumble

[quiet oar]

Even better advice, Just have enough money ??

[rotund oak]

especially if they never existed

[quiet oar]

German Houses are very solid

[low ruin]

This is legit i've heard stories of people turned down for jobs because they don't have enough years experience using a tool that they actually wrote

[grim jay]

But ngl if you had a 1930 house here you would be in debt because they will force you to change shit at any point

[limber lion]

But yeah, I never used to have stage fright when I was younger, but suddenly developed it when I noticed how good other people around my age or younger than me are. Now I don't really have it anymore, having worked on it quite a bit

Easy to develop stage fright, not as easy to just get rid of it

[quiet oar]

This sounds more like omposter syndrom

or not?

[limber lion]

No

I mean there's some similar qualities, but you can still get stage fright even if you know how good you are

[rotund oak]

even if u managed to build a house in the 30s with materials from the 21st century u would need to renovate it like 5 times to keep it standing buddy.Ive got my own house from my dad its 20 years old and ive changed the roof/ceiling 3 weeks ago(8k Euro).It has nothing to do with 3rd or first world type of thang bruh.Stuff break down,erosion,moisture,time u name it.Everything crumbles

[limber lion]

Just because music-making at a high level is often driven by competition, like auditions

[quiet oar]

Ye i see that

[limber lion]

You know you're super good, but you still have to be better than others and you also know how good other people around you are

[grim jay]

I have mine and its 40 years old. Changed the roof once because I had to get work done on the roof anyways (expanding), that aside I had to paint it. Houses are build different around the World

[rotund oak]

it also has to do with the climate but ye,u would still need to renovate no matter what

mine was hit by a severe thunderstorm,was unlucky

[grim jay]

Changing visuals inside and painting/changing wallpaper isnt really much work

Climate is a thing aswell

But look at the american paper boxes for example

Even if thats because of climate partly aswell

[rotund oak]

climate is the main factor for everything,and the main factor that creates problems is moisture

no matter the place in this rock rotating a star

[grim jay]

Well germany is kinda big on moisture

Aint it?

[earnest remnant]

there are worse places

[rotund oak]

relative or absolute

[grim jay]

Relative

[rotund oak]

Med sea is much worse

u dont have temp fluctuations to create mechanical erosion

Med Sea has saharian sand and winds

makes it worse

[earnest remnant]

only times we have changed stuff to the house is whenever my mom gets bored looking at it

[grim jay]

We have fluctuations of around 20° day to night, we just dont have the extremes, which is actually worse in terms of humidity from what ive seen

[grim jay]

Yeah about the same

Or storm damage on the slates

[earnest remnant]

my mom would just one night go " im getting kinda bored with our porch can we get something different"

2 months later

new porch

[rotund oak]

yeah the extremes are what destroys,no one rly cares for the average normal fluctuations

[earnest remnant]

my mom spends why too much money

[static glacier]

better be careful she doesn't get bored looking at you

[quiet oar]

[rotund oak]

dont take it personally fam,all women do

mine broke her car 3 times this year

[grim jay]

Idk we know people that live in croatia that barely need any work done on their house and Id argue croatia is pretty extreme

[rotund oak]

Compared to Greece its pretty stable

[grim jay]

So the tldr is

Just build a house somewhere outside of greece

And you are fine

[rotund oak]

generally away from Sea

[earnest remnant]

thats the mart part

i have the 2nd / 3rd floor all to myself

so she doesent have to look at me

[grim jay]

Thats probably the reason you have that

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-stressed-study-racoon-stressed-gif-19033566

she already got rid of you

[earnest remnant]

well this is willing expenditure not incompetence for driving a car

[rotund oak]

more like both,she aint driving from next year,enough is enough

[royal lantern]

man

where do all those raccon gifs/pics even come from

like, who recorded them

[earnest remnant]

me

[royal lantern]

is it all stealthi?

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[static glacier]

racoons are s tier models

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-sleepy-gif-9082732687452887429

[tired yacht]

this might be a bit of a noob question but can somebody tell me if nature damage spells like envenom and kingsbane are considered magic or physical damage? do they profit off of DH magic damage buff for example?

[static glacier]

they are magic and do benefit from chaos brand.

[tired yacht]

thanks ❤️

[spice surge]

Everything that isnt explicitly physical is magic

[static glacier]

everything that is not physical / bleed is magic

some stuff is both physical and magic like stormstrike (nature + physical) or flamestrike - the damage type, not the spell (fire + physical) but those are fairly rare. Chaos damage counts as all damage types.

[zenith prairie]

Is battle shout basically an agi increase then? Or does it not impact nature dmg

[spice surge]

Its literally an agi increase ye

[zenith prairie]

Thanks

Is night elf or dwarf the best for m+? Just dwarf if you’re hard pushing but ne for dmg?

[rotund oak]

Human

but between those two,for dslice idk

probably dwarf

[gilded spade]

!plater

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gilded spade]

ty

[rotund oak]

between those two its dwarf for dmg https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/races/castingpatchwerk5

[spice surge]

Thats for dragonflight though

[rotund oak]

its still dragonflight though

[zenith prairie]

Oh figured being able to restealth was the best and we had survivability for the mechanics

[spice surge]

Shadowmeld is not vanish

[zenith prairie]

Doesn’t it drop combat

[spice surge]

To get the benefits you need to stealth after shadowmelding, which means shadowmeld needs to take you out of combat

Which it doesnt do on bosses, and often times it doesnt do on packs either because its janky

[royal lantern]

everything that is "elemental dmg" is magic dmg in wow

physical dmg and bleeds are....well....physical dmg, everything else is magical dmg

Its a reason why the DH debuff is so stupid strong it buffs basically every single spec in the game with only a small exceptions

[rotund oak]

@vestal wren sorry for the tag but how do we sim the racials for TWW

is there any ready custom sim we could check?

[spice surge]

Its orc

for pure dmg

[rotund oak]

huh

thats cool

assuming we are talking for sin right?

[vestal wren]

its orc but you can use:

just copy/paste below your /simc in advanced sim

[rotund oak]

ty 🫶

[zenith prairie]

Thanks

[rotund oak]

btw whispyr proposes goblin for horde and ne or ve for alliance utility/mobility reasons

[zenith prairie]

If shadowmeld functions on trash and pulls are fast enough then the re stealth seems like it would help a ton. I didn’t play beta so idk if the instances are spread that way

[rotund oak]

its as all instances ever were

nothing changes in that

even the new onws

if u wanna secure a restealth u can try melding but its not guranteed,there are bugs or random stuff that make it backfire

as eleem mentioned

its not vanish

[spice surge]

Id recommend to just play what you think looks the best

[fleet pagoda]

yeah meld is mighty unreliable for regaining stealth. has been great for canceling certain dungeon boss abilities/mechanics in DF though, not sure if you can cheese similarly in tww

[rotund oak]

cool orc is ahead

always liked orcs

might swap for the lols

[royal lantern]

include VE for mobility but not worgen?

[wide ferry]

Anyone have wa that tracks envenom uptimer, accidentally deleted it lol fml

[spice surge]

Most packs have, but its also really easy to make one in the premade aura section of WAs

[cold rampart]

when is the best time to drink thistle tea?

[nova aspen]

when ur thirsty

[rotund oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[nova aspen]

[cold rampart]

?

[spice surge]

#assassination message
Like in this but press buffs > envenom instead

!wa or yoink any from these packs

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rotund oak]

alliance classes are utility marked

or either Night elf or Void Elf as alliance due to their utility.

[nova aspen]

when u shiv

check the wowhead guide it tells u

[cold rampart]

where is the link

i cant find the beta info

[nova aspen]

i thought the rotation was mostly the same in beta

but i could be mistaken

[spice surge]

Yes, theres very few differences

[rotund oak]

its the same as the prepatch,can pick it up from the wowhead guide

[spice surge]

you can find them in the pins and the beta info threads

[rotund oak]

or ye its in the pins

[nova aspen]

wait orc is the best?? fuck

[tawny geyser]

Are we still gonna be using Kingsbane Timeline weakaura?
Shiv/Tea/Vanish during KB? Or has anything changed ?

[nova aspen]

i just used my race change

[rotund oak]

what did u change to

[spice surge]

No, dont use the timeline

None of it applies anymore

[ripe carbon]

shiv still does i thought?

[nova aspen]

human, but i much prefer horde

[tawny geyser]

So we dont Shiv/Vanish/Tea anymore during KB?

[static glacier]

still wanna use shiv during kb ye

but the tea and vanish timings ain't a thing

[tawny geyser]

Ah 😦

[spice surge]

If you have 2 shiv charges you want to have it up for all of kb yes

[static glacier]

tea during shiv for energy and shiv during kb for damage

[rotund oak]

ive got most races but i prefer human,coz its simply superior.In any case ye,from the sim orc is ahead now

[static glacier]

im starting to consider races based on prof bonuses atm

[slow helm]

what's some commonly made assassination mistakes?

[rotund oak]

i just like humans more

[cold rampart]

so i macro tea with shiv?

[slow helm]

specieist

[static glacier]

nah, seperate bind

[nova aspen]

female human*

right??

[static glacier]

you want to tea for energy primarily

[rotund oak]

thats some alternative woke kungfu

[rotund oak]

yup

[nova aspen]

human males

[rotund oak]

human males are just as cool

[nova aspen]

idk i think they walk funny

[rotund oak]

most ppl just play dem cringe paladin humans

or wars

those look cringe

[slow helm]

I'm a cloth of color belt in wokefu

[cold rampart]

what if i shiv and still has a lot of energy do i still drink?

[spice surge]

You dont want to waste the energy from tea

So dont drink if youre above 200

[nova aspen]

only in the opener?

[rotund oak]

Although im not a psychopath or anything ild throw u into the fire just like witches like the inquisition did

[slow helm]

my current haircut

[static glacier]

lovely

[rotund oak]

ive got no hair so

[static glacier]

sapzilla has no eyebrows confirmed

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-eyebrows-eyebrows-gone-ssj3-goku-gif-15490480218216627801

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/shining-gif-25596284

[rotund oak]

ive got eyebrows lol

but ye no hair

[static glacier]

dw im on the way

my hairline is in dire straights

[rotund oak]

this is disturbing,who does that

[static glacier]

I don't think it's real

[rotund oak]

mentally challenged ppl idk

[royal lantern]

ofc its not real, you dont cut eyebrows 100% clean by going over them 1x lol

[slow helm]

those things can't even do my shitty stubble 100% clean by going over them once

[rotund oak]

yup thats me(with eyebrows)

[slow helm]

So, common assassination mistakes i should watch out f or?

[static glacier]

some people do have slits n stuff

but fully shaved eyebrows are rare

[rotund oak]

ye idk,looks weird,why would u do that

[rotund oak]

not reading the guide for starters

[royal lantern]

not meowing during gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[static glacier]

you better rupture right meow

[slow helm]

Guides are for knobheads

[rotund oak]

u sound like a healer

[static glacier]

keep ur dots up, dont be out of range of the boss, don't send cds on an enemy that wont live through them

[slow helm]

checks out

[static glacier]

voila ur ready

[rotund oak]

makes sense

[royal lantern]

i mean that fully serious

make sure poisons are applied

that shit happens really fast

[rotund oak]

no guide would ever say that btw^^

[royal lantern]

pulling a boss and realising 20sec into the fight "oh fuck, poisons run out" is the true assa experience

[earnest remnant]

pretty much same length as mine

[slow helm]

it's a joke

[strange python]

Does our spatter spatter

• centered from around out target
• centered from around player

[past basin]

centered from the origin point of the universe

[royal lantern]

target

[limber lion]

10y around target

[rotund oak]

Whispyr said target-based.There was a similar question like 3-4 days ago

[strange python]

I figured that, but would sometimes put myself in an awkward position just in case

[limber lion]

Otherwise it would literally just be bladeflurry

[strange python]

yeah it makes much more sense that it comes from around our target

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's a debuff on the target, not a buff on you

[nova aspen]

did some1 say bladeflurry?

[rotund oak]

no go away pirate person

(joking ofc)

[strange python]

kind of

[slow helm]

begone outlaw

[spice spire]

Dead spec (they lost Acro)

[slow helm]

massive L

[strange python]

As someone who picked acro even when it was a dps loss for assassination...i miss it.

[spice surge]

You mean nimble flurry?

All specs must flurry

[nova aspen]

for now, ive got the in, ill get it back

dw

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

[slow helm]

[surreal yew]

how are ppl feeling bout the assa hero talents? the wowhead articles make it seem like a mess that nobody understands how to play

[spice surge]

I mean theres very little to play around

Its mostly just some passive extra damage thats uninspired

[royal lantern]

bladeflurry and deeper stratagem are the crabs of rogue talents

everything eventually evolves into them

[static glacier]

the most outstanding issues have been sorted, deathstalker just features slight considerations about who you apply the mark to and using high cp finisher

[royal lantern]

bad

[static glacier]

other than that they're largely passive

[rotund oak]

i think thats not the case with hero talents anymore,at least for rogue.All specs are kinda of an ''induced dynamo'' per se

spec feeds the tree which feeds the spec into a passive routine

outside deathstalker ofc which just doesnt work

[spice surge]

Nah for assa it mostly works now, some minor stuff left

[rotund oak]

ah ye for assa true,u can reset

its just cringe now

[spice surge]

Idk what you mean by reset

[rotund oak]

trigger faster DN

it still doesnt interact with ER though

u cant reset with a charged cp,thats cringe

[spice surge]

Still no idea what you mean

[slow helm]

how are we feeling with the hero talents? other than they're boring

they any good or?

[rotund oak]

when DN expires it reapplies it,so sin is into a routine,just the ER interaciton thats not there

[spice surge]

Its the same as sub

[rotund oak]

unless its fixed and im not aware,which would mean im wrong

[royal lantern]

half backed

in all regards tbh

thematical and gameplay wise

[slow helm]

but we're not worse off compared to now?

[past forum]

They’re without a doubt some of the hero talents they’ve made

[dire slate]

I've been seeing people complain about needing to be in stealth and some 6s window. What is it about? Is it really that bothersome? 🙂

[kind forge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[slow helm]

is it worth focusing on garrote in low keys in AOE?

[dawn elm]

outside of carnage windows u only keep garrote up on the main target, rupture is more important to keep on atleast 5 targets if they will live for a while

[drowsy creek]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slow helm]

So in low keys, it's not even worth it to spread rupture?

approximately how long should mobs live for before it's worth it

[fallen arch]

U get energy back

And sudden demise does lots of dam in low keys

[dire slate]

I'm sort of getting second thoughts because of all the yapping on youtube. Everyone says rouge are trash....

[fallen arch]

Who is everyone

[bronze rain]

i literally see the contrary everywhere

[fallen arch]

Same

[bronze rain]

your youtube is biased XD

[fallen arch]

Hence my question

[dire slate]

Damn. Bellular warcraft for example

He talks about how rouges are in need of rework or something like that

[bronze rain]

Bellular is for lore only, leave real numbers to others 😄

[fallen arch]

And what does he know

Not the greatest source for this kind of stuff i’d say

[dire slate]

Hahaha who should I watch?

[bronze rain]

the hero trees are a bit "boring" being basically all passives, that i can agree, but for being trash..Assa is looking to be best melee for M+ with Frost

[fallen arch]

Depends on the content

[dire slate]

Should I do the hybrid tree?

[fallen arch]

I’d say take all the tier lists with a metric ton of salt

Cause they will still tune the heck out of everything

[slow helm]

it's looking to be one of the best dps

[urban heart]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dire slate]

Alright. I'll just commit to assa hybrid and wish for the best. I did one expansion each for sub and outlaw. I have to complete the circle :). Thank you guys for the input!

[slow helm]

yeah i'm probably gonna roll with assa for melee in TWW s1 as well

[dire slate]

Is there anyone good for assa?

[fallen arch]

Zerocool is a huge gamer

[rotund oak]

until outlaw rework hits live

[fallen arch]

But his content might not be for everyone

[rotund oak]

then bounce back

[fallen arch]

I really like Kush too

[slow helm]

nah

didn't play outlaw in s4 either

[fallen arch]

Both are active on twitch

[rotund oak]

u dont know how to lie but ok

[dire slate]

I'll take a look. Thank you!

[fallen arch]

And our @balmy condor ofc

We all love him

[nova aspen]

did some1 say outlaw rework

[nova aspen]

[rotund oak]

dw its not happening

[nova aspen]

[rotund oak]

10weeks ago was s4 wasnt it

[slow helm]

Yes

i did 5 keys

[rotund oak]

so u lied

[slow helm]

I've played it less than my 460 frost dk

so suck my upper left nut, thanks

[rotund oak]

[fallen arch]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[dire slate]

Haha one last question. Where do I find rotations? Is the wowhead ones good?

Does not seem to be many videos on it right now. PVE atleast

[rotund oak]

its on the pins as well friend

[fallen arch]

Yes

[rotund oak]

same person wrote them

10/10 reliable

[nova aspen]

upper left nut

[fallen arch]

Bruh, the new exp comes out literally in 3 days

[weak isle]

my guy has 4 nuts?

[fallen arch]

Patience

[weak isle]

upper/bottom left, upper/bottom right

[lost hamlet]

you don't?

[rotund oak]

we need coordinates for that

[weak isle]

i had 2 sucked out

[rotund oak]

[nova aspen]

🥜

[fallen arch]

But yea, be on the lookout for the wowhead guide which is always good and up to date. It’s maintained by one of the mods here

[dire slate]

Lovely. I'll be the veeery best

[fallen arch]

Doubtful

But go you

😬

[queen egret]

Does anyone have a mod for plater that changes the nameplate color to green when mob is ruptured?

i tried asking chatgpt but that aint working

or maybe im jsut not setting it up correctly

[weak isle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[weak isle]

doesnt whispyrs platers do that?

i dont know

so dont take my words forit

[split cipher]

The only plater addon I know if changes a frame to green for spatter

[fallen arch]

I think Ceverions made them green when they had Bonespike

But not sure

[queen egret]

JPCs used to do it

but i dont have that anyomore

[rotund oak]

idk im using whispyr's stuff

all based

plater also cool

but once i start raiding ill make my own WAs again

im not rly a fan of playing with other ppl stuff

Lisonna's group is fine as well

[weak isle]

we do a pretty good job i'd say so myself

[midnight atlas]

is bleed dmg considered physical ?

[limber lion]

Well yes, but no, a bleed is bleed. It penetrates armor.

I mean it is physical damage yes

[rotund oak]

its physical

[limber lion]

But it functions differently to say melees

[rotund oak]

its what the tooltip say it is

[limber lion]

Or other physical abilities

[midnight atlas]

i was curious if bleed is influenced by the monk mystic touch

[rotund oak]

ye if its physical then it gets the buff,if the bleed is lets say shadow dmg then no,or buffed from brand

[trail locust]

Bleed sounds like it should not be physical

Cause its like liquid dripping

So and physical sounds like something is touching

So liquid doesnt sound right

[nova aspen]

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