assassination

[hollow stone]

I just think ppl had unrealistic expectations of what hero talents were to be

they're legit just the old talent system on top of the new one

[spice surge]

It means you get 3 charged combo points instead of 1

[lime crypt]

i mean all they had to do is not add hero talents and instead just give every class one more button to press like they´ve done every expansion and everyone would've been happier

[spice surge]

If you hit a dummy youll see

[hollow stone]

hard disagree, ppl would rage at that too

[lime crypt]

i just dont understand why some classes get to have active spell/skill in there and some classes just get a weakass fart in the wind of a passive

[hollow stone]

because we already have a full set of buttons

[arctic tusk]

yo is someone online how much is a wow token

[hollow stone]

idk

[hollow stone]

check wowhead

[lime crypt]

then remove/change some to open up a space for new one or something

[hollow stone]

but why?

[lime crypt]

because its cooler to press something new than to not ever notice some passive

[hollow stone]

when they gave us a "new button" in Shadowlands, everyone was pissed off

[lime crypt]

you mean covenant spell?

[hollow stone]

yea

[royal lantern]

tbf

all 4 buttons just sucked and where not even tested lol

[lime crypt]

id argue the reason they were pissed is cuz the one they wanted to play was marginally worse than what was the best spell

[ivory kraken]

current live raidbot sims are kinda broken/wouldnt make sense, right? I'm beating my ST sim by a considerable amount

[royal lantern]

rember 4 weeks before launch and 2 covenamt abilitys still just saying "work in progress"

[hollow stone]

bugs are one thing, but I dont think the hero talent SYSTEM is bad or that we got shafted the way ppl tend to say

[lime crypt]

okay say it works

would you say you like what we got?

[hollow stone]

are you hitting a dummy that's in execute range? I bet you are 😉

[ivory kraken]

ooo mightve been it, it was last night so ima have to check. Good call

[hollow stone]

it could always be better, Im not like 100% satisfied, but I dont think it's worth dooming as hard as a lot of ppl are

[royal lantern]

classic

same as "did you apply poisons?" when somebody asks about energy

[hollow stone]

"is sectec on your stealth bar?"

[lime crypt]

idk i found everyone glazing hero talents

and i just personally find it renamed worse level progression

[hollow stone]

blizz flat out said the intent was to have them mostly passive because they want to avoid button bloat

[lime crypt]

fuck what do i know, mayhaps its gonna be lit, everything is gonna be fixed and ill fall in love with coin flipping

[hollow stone]

are they flashy? no, not really
do they need to be (imo)? no, not really
you're opinion is 100% valid btw, Im not trying to say it's not

[lime crypt]

i mean i flippin love how the zones look

gorgeous stuff tbh

[hollow stone]

art team kills it yet again

[chrome hatch]

hi guys im having a problem with shiv and kingsbane some times they wont cast when i press them it say "target in combat" i keep pressing them 4 5 times for them to cast. anyone knows why ?

[fleet pagoda]

I haven't seen anything about that being a thing; you able to reproduce this reliably?

[limber abyss]

hey new to assa - and piggybacking maybe?

do we always hold shiv for kb

[haughty flicker]

ive mostly avoided spoilers but ive seen a bit of how the zone with the big crystal sun looks, and im genuinely excited to explore it

it looks so cool

[fleet pagoda]

#assassination message some rotational stuff here. probably worth checkin this stuff again as season 1 starts too. incase anything changes as more fixes/tuning occur

[normal mist]

short answer, yes

[fleet pagoda]

I responded with tea on the brain instead of shiv, disregard me

[normal mist]

Are you using any kind of macro for those abilities?

[hollow stone]

Im guessing the same -- probably have ambush or something in the macro causing the issue

sap maybe, idk

[fleet pagoda]

would anything provide the "target in combat" text that isn't, like, sap though?

[hard ocean]

if you won't overcap on energy, use tea with shiv instead of the last 5 seconds of kingsbane

From the pinned changes post — been following the guide wherein you tea+shiv, deathmark, kingbane and onward.
Can anyone elaborate on the quoted text? Specifically "instead of the last 5 seconds of kingsbane." I'm missing context due to being too new

[fleet pagoda]

but if sap was accidently macroed in those, shouldn't it still complete the cast successfully?

[fleet pagoda]

previously we were using tea on the last 5 seconds or so of kb for the mastery to further giga buff the last few ticks of kb

i think it's currently about gaining energy from it rather than buffing kb

[hard ocean]

So the post is suggesting that tea is married to shiv, and not the last 5 seconds

Well, married to shiv and used to gain energy. Not just mastery buff

[royal lantern]

the tl:dr is

you use tea on pull on the first shiv, so you do to get the charges rolling (cus you actually want the cd running)

and after that its "if you dont overcap on eneergy, use tea togheter with shiv"

[fleet pagoda]

sure, those conditions can overlap but i wouldn't look at the latter as a condition itself

[royal lantern]

and ofc use a charge if you would cap charges somehow

[hard ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-evil-headnod-jack-nicholson-gif-8019533

Perf

tyty

[royal lantern]

the kingsbane thing KINDA died a bit because KB is not 80% of our dmg anymore

and it was allready some very minor minmax thing to do tbh

so tea is not automtically kb anymore, but just with shiv now

(and that overlaps with KB anyway)

[hard ocean]

Been practicing a bunch and it seems like it's relatively easy to not be worthless as assassination, but lots to min/max.

Which I favor tbh that's a neat playstyle

[royal lantern]

ye, the basic gameplay loop is simple

but has a good amount of room to improve

which is why most people that play it like it tbh

[hard ocean]

Low floor, high ceiling type shit

[royal lantern]

• the "flow" feels good

[hard ocean]

letting empowered CPs just kind of "happen" instead of "forcing" them feels nice. Like a neat lil bonus to your "flow" as you said

[dawn elm]

heared fub saying that the bugs for deathstalker is like 10% in st for sub

do we know how much the bugs are for assa in st

decrease that is

[royal lantern]

not 10%

but still something i gues

[amber iron]

Did anything majorly change for our rotations with TWW?
Or are we still pumping the same rotation?

[hard ocean]

I used to alt-main outlaw in BFA and it's just...radically different now. But we don't talk about outlaw in #assassination 😉

[royal lantern]

ER not working with deathstalker is just kinda stupid lol

[fleet pagoda]

for sure. they currently don't interact too nicely with deathstalker marks and that capstone so keep an eye on that lookin ahead

[limber abyss]

in AoE we only garotte on opener/vanish window when you get spread with IC is that right?

but keep ruptures up for SoB?

[shy pecan]

Yeah

And garrote on your prio target

[royal lantern]

mostly the same

no real bigger changes

[fleet pagoda]

bleeds are also crucial for energy generation. if for some reason you forsake scent/demise you'll still want to reapply some bleeds if your targets are alive for a little bit longer

[royal lantern]

tea used slightly different, vanish used slightly different, thats it

[amber iron]

Yeah, tea is used after first shiv now instead of KB is what I read, which made me ask that question if anything else changed aswell, thanks dude

[royal lantern]

we use vanish now to re-apply the stealth garrote

instead of Crit fishing on KB

thats it tbh

[hard ocean]

Good change? Seems it

Less micro

[amber iron]

Then nothing changes on my playstyle because that is what I did anyways since I was too dumb to do the crit-fishing.

[hollow stone]

healthy change for gameplay no doubt (snapshotting is a stinky mechanic in modern WoW imo)

MA KB tech was also a crap mechanic imo

bugs aside, I agree w tryan, sin feels quite complete

feelsgood

[hard ocean]

I've been pleased

Almost didn't roll it bc I've seen so much dooming on the hero talents

[static glacier]

Tbh rogue in general is unappealing to most players

[hard ocean]

but I mean, I don't need much out of my hero talents 🤷

[hollow stone]

just passionate rogue gamers who truly want their class to be as good as it can be

least played class in the game atm

[fleet pagoda]

they're not great, but it's improving. some bug fixes would go a long way. it's alright really

[static glacier]

The issue with talents is you can’t please everyone, some people want complexity and gameplay in the talents while others find there’s enough in base classes, for rogue we lean more towards the second set

We didn’t necessarily need a lot more hoops to jump through for our gameplay to be engaging

[hard ocean]

I'm the only 1 in our raid group of 25 lul

[static glacier]

Compared to something like dev or Aug which is simpler at its core

[hollow stone]

this is when I hop back up on my soapbox and preach that the real problem is the rogue class tree (this is opinion of course :p)

[hollow stone]

this is the way

[hard ocean]

I'm team "delete aug"

[static glacier]

At this point I think the real problem is all the specs are too extreme in a sense

[hard ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[hollow stone]

I'd say that's a good position, does feel that way to at least some extent

[static glacier]

Issue is there is no real middle ground, you either spec for 75 apm OL with infinite auras to track or super methodical and extremely slow sub / sin gameplay

[hard ocean]

laughs in hpal gameplay

[static glacier]

It’s why finding people who love all rogue specs is rarer than the same for lock for example

[hollow stone]

yea, there's no "farm spec" like BM hunter to play on farm when you want to be lazy :p

[royal lantern]

switch to RH

read "delete aug"

I agree

https://tenor.com/view/cojestprawda-gif-2084691180186616053

[static glacier]

Aug was genuinely a detrimental addition to the game

Wow would be better atm if Aug never existed

[royal lantern]

tbf, that has been almost always the case

you know stuff is weird when monks are played more then the edgelord rogues

[tawdry flint]

For m+ will we be playing death stalker or fate?

[hollow stone]

it's been a race to last place between us and monks for a bit, yea :p

[royal lantern]

and monk is not really a thign that many people vibe with

[static glacier]

Unlike monk we don’t have anywhere near the amount of historical viability issues thankfully

[royal lantern]

tbf, people just always focus on WW there

brewmaster was THE raidtank for almost 3 expansions in a row lol

[static glacier]

Thematic aside monk has a lot of problems being tuned properly looking back

[hollow stone]

either

[static glacier]

And mw is turbotrash outside of like two or three tiers where it was omega tier 0 broken

[hard ocean]

✨play what makes your heart happy✨

[hollow stone]

I STILL think of Brm as "the raid tank" (tho, bdk may have something to say about that)

[hard ocean]

MW was kind of gross the last few seasons

[static glacier]

They aren’t necessarily as sturdy as they once were in BfA and before sadly

[royal lantern]

ye like

historicaly it was brewmaster>WW>MW most of the time

[hard ocean]

But beyond the last few seasons it's been dog water

[royal lantern]

WW and MW are both kinda good for a good while now

[static glacier]

Yeah, I think back to fallen order MW prenerf and HFC too

[hollow stone]

yea, they actually require some healing in current or recent states

[royal lantern]

and brewmaster suffers from blizz making tanks op lol

[static glacier]

BrM went from being smoothest dmg intake tank by far to being a glass cannon with insane dps

It’s so strange

[hard ocean]

Weird af

[royal lantern]

its a problem with blizz listening to people crying

and as a result making all tanks op

and now that they want to go back from that, they cry even more

[static glacier]

They had their historic weakness of needing more external raw HPs

[hard ocean]

I had some schadenfreude with the somewhat recent tank nerfs

All the tanks crying

[static glacier]

But then they kept buffing their self sustain and nerfing stagger

[hard ocean]

had me grinnin like The Grinch

https://tenor.com/view/grinch-meme-grin-gif-12994505

[royal lantern]

like, tanks had actual differences at some point

brewmaster needed always a bit healing, but where VERY sturdy and could not die in 1hit

blood not really needing healers but taking overall more dmg and struggled with sustained hard hits

warriors great against physical dmg but 0 selfheal

then they went and said

lol tanks are all invicible now

and all have endless self healing

[hard ocean]

"and do bunch of damage :)"

[royal lantern]

blood dk's niche of selfhealing doesnt exist anymore because ALL tanks do "i dont need a healer lol" now

which is just mindblowing stupid

[static glacier]

Differences still exist, but it’s moreso tuning and tier set based

[royal lantern]

ye

[static glacier]

Than inherent design

Unless ur veng and have enough stops to solo cc a key

Even then that got nerfed

[hard ocean]

Yeah I told my tank main buddy (after his crying about nerfs) that it's DISGUSTINGLY DUMB that tanks can solo mid-high key bosses from like 60% boss HP

Shouldn't ever happen lmao

[royal lantern]

like, its just kinda insane how they said "blood dk has worse mitigation because of its selfhealing"

and then they gave all tanks endless selfhealing

and blood dk still has the worst mitigation lol

like, not even a blood fan or smth like that, but its just the best example of what is going wrong there

[hard ocean]

Blood was unique because it has low miti but high self-heal

then blizz just laughed at it

[royal lantern]

the entire "i dont want to rely on healers!!!!" thing is so stupid

cus like

healers exists for a reason lol

[static glacier]

The issue is it’s difficult for them to decide what they want tanking to be about

[royal lantern]

ofc they should not need to pump into you 24/7

[high jetty]

Well and the downstream effect of this

is that DPS get fucking railed

[royal lantern]

but tanks sometimes needing a heal is 100% reaosnable lol

[high jetty]

because tanks arent taking damage. so healers need soem thing to do

[static glacier]

We’ve yo-yo-d from it being purely about surviving in early SL with kiting DH meta

[high jetty]

so the boss just fucking murders you through feint every 30 seconds

[static glacier]

And in DF tanks living is a given and they’re brought for utility and dps

[hard ocean]

I healed last expansion (er, this expansion. DF), and most of what I did "healing" was just coaching people to push their fkn defensives. because if they didn't, it's game over. and that's not fun lol

[royal lantern]

its not fun for anyone

[hard ocean]

That's what I mean

[static glacier]

The play is they blanket nerf defensives and make it easier to heal

It will feel worse for us dps but long term it’s the right thing

[royal lantern]

they started doing that tbh

nerfed all sustain stuff a bit

[static glacier]

I found you could cover for mistakes but at the expense of major CDs

And you had to be expecting the fail too

[royal lantern]

(but at the same time made deffensives even stronger with the mistake trees )

[static glacier]

It feels miserable compared to how easy pressing a defensive is for people

[hard ocean]

Correct. It was easier as a holy priest because if I was fast enough we could recover. But even still. The yo-yoing is egregious

[static glacier]

I mainly healed on pres evo, outside of having TTS, rewind or an empowered ability already casting it was doomed if someone fucked up

Can’t forget stasis too

But yeah outside of significant CDs you can’t save someone really

[hard ocean]

As they say…not my problem (anymore). I’m a rogue main now 😈 it’s my turn to stand in all the mechanics and give my healer something to do

Time to save Evasion and Feint for “when I need it”

[clever sapphire]

You mean stand in everything and use feint/evasion

And tell the healer to heal more

[hard ocean]

Yeah that’s the one

[haughty flicker]

why would i press feint

costs energy AND its on the gcd

shit button

[hard ocean]

AND I might need it next pull. Never mind if I could use it now…but that next pull is almost certainly closer than 15secs of CD

[royal lantern]

you know, that is always the funny part, cus you see so many people complaining about deffensives triggering a gcd or smth like that

and im sitting here like

"feint is that and more, and i cant even reduce my gcd lol"

and im 1 of those guys that is pressing feint probably too often

[hollow stone]

feint has gone through some STUFF over the years, I think we've had basically every variation of it over the years

on/off gcd, with a cd/without a cd, with nrg cost/without nrg cost

[royal lantern]

legion feint was 100% balanced and fair

[hard ocean]

Enlighten me, what was legion feint

[haughty flicker]

i wont be pressing it next pull either, why would i willing waste 25 energy when i barely have enough as sin anyway

dont even have that shit bound

[royal lantern]

50% aoe dmg reduction, no CD

only energy cost+gcd

[hard ocean]

W

[royal lantern]

could use feint on literally everything

its where the "rogue is unkillable" thing comes from

[hollow stone]

elusiveness was essentially baseline then too and stacked w the DR, was kinda large

[haughty flicker]

give back no cd feint

[hollow stone]

like, you always took it

so it was "baseline"

[haughty flicker]

and while they're at it give back burst of speed

[royal lantern]

even if "rogue is unkillable" is not really true anymore, and in some cases its 1 of the more squishy classes even

[shy pecan]

You’re squishy

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/saltobears-squeeze-gif-21180094

[royal lantern]

squish me please

https://tenor.com/view/colte-seal-squish-thing-hands-gif-23047502

[humble valley]

What hero spec is looking better for sin, or is it going to content specific?

[normal mist]

Both

[shy pecan]

All depends on tuning over the next month or so.

They’re both solid like royal said though

[normal mist]

You're right as well, anything they do during tuning next weeks can either fuck them or make them extremely op

Thats why all we do is pray for good tuning and bug fixes

[shy pecan]

Ok

[daring imp]

uh, sorry to ask, comparing to df, what made assassination be so good when compared to everyone else? the bleed spreading got easier?

[normal mist]

tuning

because we basically play the same

But tuning isn't final, so we might end up nerfed if we continue to overshadow every other spec (specifically in m+)

[static glacier]

People overlook that barely anything in the game is enough of a dps check for that global to matter bc we all love big meter bar and colours on log rankings

[static glacier]

They made our number higher, litterally it

Big number good

[royal lantern]

turns out, a 15% more dmg aura buff makes something that did slightly bellow average dmg doing above average dmg

[humble valley]

Utility/defensive wise are they pretty even too?

[royal lantern]

utility its like most others

Defensives rogue is a mixed bag

[normal mist]

we didnt really gain anything coming to TWW

[royal lantern]

its no mage/warlock/paladin, not by far

[static glacier]

All three rogue specs have slight variation, OL is tankiest, sin has aoe silences + interrupt with iron wire

Sub has f1 zoom zoom shroud

[wooden radish]

we gained 'zero' talents

everyone else got 'hero' talents

[normal mist]

Honestly fair take

[humble valley]

Gotcha gotcha. Preciate the answers

[static glacier]

Ayo we got 1 hr tricks

[wooden radish]

too bad trickster isn't a real talent tree yet

[static glacier]

There’s gonna be some gross abuse cases, calling it

[normal mist]

that comes with which Hero talents btw?

[wooden radish]

its missing a capstone

so basically trickster is still currently NYI

maybe 11.2

[static glacier]

Coup de grace was a coup against our mental wellbeing

[shy pecan]

Not for outlaw anyway…

[humble valley]

At least you’re not also hitting killing spree on CD. Poor pirates

[wooden radish]

maybe in the next two weeks we'll get an functioning trickster tree implemented for testing on early launch day

keep hopes up

[wooden radish]

yes its disgusting to play

god awful ability design

[humble valley]

Outlaw trickster is like the worse variation of a spec they’ve made in a while

[wooden radish]

outlaw trickster is what you get when you don't have anyone giving rogues any attention to care and design

deathstalker too

was god awful and made absolutely no sense at all

[static glacier]

Ayo imagine deathstalker OL

Dmg after AR cast

[humble valley]

Yeah didn’t sub not have a way to spend their deathstalker marks or whatever for a while there?

[wooden radish]

I heard some silly meme rumour from Max's stream that Rogues iterations (like proper attention and focus on the design of the class and hero talents), was next in line, but again, i suspect its a meme and not taking anything said on those streams seriously

[static glacier]

They over generated them and they used to stack

[wooden radish]

for now it feels like they've slapped sellotape on the rogue class for the past 3 months

but will eventually come back to us properly

sitdown

[static glacier]

If that’s true 11.0.5 is our time

[thorn fjord]

We just got a rework recently tho?

[wooden radish]

and have a good look

[humble valley]

Rogue receiving maximum attention (nerfing assassination)

[runic hinge]

Rework dn

[thorn fjord]

cap

[static glacier]

Mages did too slightly earlier

And they got reworked again

Well arcane did

[wooden radish]

they did, but in a way its kinda minor rework, because it didn't really get any further iterations after that, to sort of clean up new issues, bugs, and some problematic designs as well

rework stuff was great tbh

[royal lantern]

it wasnt really a rework tbh

it was a touchup

[wooden radish]

but it can still be great and have issues

[thorn fjord]

A decent one tho

[royal lantern]

and a medium sized revamp for assa

like, ret paladin was a rework

[static glacier]

Sub’s gameplay cadence changed significantly

More than ret did tbh

[royal lantern]

what they did was mostly unfuck the really really really fucking bad DF launch talent trees

[thorn fjord]

OL did too just not Significantly

[royal lantern]

cus wtf where those

[wooden radish]

yeah this tbh

but for some specs its still a huge mess tbh

it needed further iteration desperately

[thorn fjord]

I'd rather they not go hard focused on attention to Rogue... because more than likely they'll just end up fucking us more than helping us lol

[royal lantern]

like, its why im against calling it a rework

It was more like "rogue got the work done it needed during DF alpha/beta"

[thorn fjord]

But i dont think we need "help" per se

[royal lantern]

sub needs help

and the "hero trees" need nuclear fire

[wooden radish]

Nah I think if they gave us actual proper attention and care for our design, we'd see more bugs fixed and problems resolved, because at the moment it seems like only bandaids have been applied for months

[humble valley]

Can’t be a rework if it didn’t work the first time

[thorn fjord]

Im 50/50 on believing they'll fix the bugs in time for raid

[wooden radish]

no way

[thorn fjord]

But only time will tell

[wooden radish]

not with the current cadence

[humble valley]

I think like half the specs/hero trees are currently bugged in some way

[wooden radish]

they keep introducing more bugs

rather than fixing

[static glacier]

I think OL does tbh

[thorn fjord]

we still have about a month till raid so

we'll see

[royal lantern]

more like 80%

[humble valley]

I know 2 warlock specs are bugged rn. And I think shadow priest has some bugs too

[static glacier]

Sin and sub are functional

OL is a mess

[humble valley]

80% sounds accurate tbh

[royal lantern]

the funny thing about hero trees is

people jerk off the 4-5 good ones

nobody talks about the bad shit like oracle priest lol

[thorn fjord]

Which are the good ones?

[royal lantern]

holy and disc priest have literally 1 hero tree option

[wooden radish]

i think hero trees in general is an ass design

[thorn fjord]

iirc UH DK got really sick choices

[royal lantern]

cus oracle is so fucking bad lmao

[wooden radish]

its a garbage messy evergreen system

its so bad

[static glacier]

Is that the one that gives me anxiety bc of reverse halo looking like a mechanic to dodge / jump over?

[shy pecan]

Should see the arcane boomie one.

[humble valley]

I feel like they could’ve gone further with them. They seem kinda half implemented. So many seem like 10 passive points

[royal lantern]

nah, thats archon and its the good one

[wooden radish]

they made them overcomplicated by sharing hero trees between two specs

[royal lantern]

oracle is the "you have rotating buffs you give yourself"

[wooden radish]

they fucked themselves in the ass with this

[royal lantern]

which is a shitton of work for legit 0 payoff

on specs that need to pay attention elsewhere

[wooden radish]

and now they are struggling to make things even work or make sense

[royal lantern]

btw, that was the REAL problem with the first Oracle version

[hard ocean]

They fixed it kinda

Oracle

[royal lantern]

not the shity "omg externals"

but the "how are you supposed to play this at all???"

like, how was a disc supposed to juggle the oracle buffs at the right time for a mage/warlock

while also ramping his heals

and do mechanics

lol

[thorn fjord]

That’s how

[humble valley]

Healer mechanics

Also has to dispel everything

[wooden radish]

i wish max asked morgan yesterday about the state of hero trees

[humble valley]

And do everything else

[wooden radish]

i would love to hear what he'd have to say

such a missed opportunity

to not discuss how fucked hero trees are right now

across the board

[humble valley]

Probably wasn’t a permitted question

[royal lantern]

^

[wooden radish]

chickens

[humble valley]

Since they screen beforehand

[wooden radish]

honestly

[hard ocean]

DKs are in such a good hero talent spot lol

[humble valley]

Probably not ready to discuss that yet

[thorn fjord]

That or not relevant to what the whole thing was anyway

[wooden radish]

not a real interview then if everything was scripted oh well

[humble valley]

We’d get “we know there are issues and we’re working on them” answer

[royal lantern]

^^^^^^^^

[royal lantern]

DK is 1 of the winners

rider is funny enough by far the worst one lol

[humble valley]

Well scripted in the sense they tell you what questions they can answer

[wooden radish]

deathbringer is such a good talent tbh

tree*

[royal lantern]

ye, deathbringer is cool af

[hard ocean]

Thematic GOAT, but not great

[royal lantern]

and everyone sleeps on it

[wooden radish]

the fucking scythes

are huge

[humble valley]

B/c 5 questions that get answers “aware and investigating” would be boring

[wooden radish]

visually looks so good

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern prob gearing a DK with my
Rogue

[humble valley]

DK getting a shell sharing talent is sick

[thorn fjord]

Since we get so much time before raid

[royal lantern]

cus they see OMG MOUNT COMBAT?????????? when that part doesnt work in dungeons/raids

[wooden radish]

it does

well u do ride a horse in dungeons

[hard ocean]

It does*

Kinda

[thorn fjord]

Mr Ed coming to fuck yo shit

For you younger folk Mr Ed was a horse

A talking horse

[royal lantern]

people in general sleep on some stuff

frost mage spellslinger gameplay beeing literally just "spam icelance"

is not a good thing lol

[thorn fjord]

But the pews bro

[shy pecan]

I thought you were talking about me for a sec there

[hard ocean]

DK's problem is having too many resources now, can't spend em all

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/mred-horse-tv-wilbur-gif-10554030

[wooden radish]

that sounds like a good thing rather than problem

id rather be swimming in resources than having non to spend

[hard ocean]

It's a good problem to have

[shy pecan]

It’s not

Outlaw mentality

[wooden radish]

i hate waiting to press shit

[royal lantern]

its funny how thats a problem so many classes have lol

like

[wooden radish]

feels braindead

if u have to wait for a gcd

[hard ocean]

And it's a gripe of the highest order

But it IS a gripe

[royal lantern]

arms warrior has endless rage, assa rogue cant really run out of energy anymore

[wooden radish]

any time you have to wait for energy

[thorn fjord]

Oh the horror

[hard ocean]

First-world problem type gripe

[wooden radish]

or wait for resources

its braindead and disgusting

[royal lantern]

grow up

and play 1 of the 200000000000 endless resources specs then

[thorn fjord]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[royal lantern]

running out of resources means they are allowed to do dmg

[wooden radish]

i already do and it sometimes runs out still!

[thorn fjord]

[hard ocean]

Frankly I don't want unlimited resources

I want to feel like I can spend everything I have and watch my meter go

[royal lantern]

and heavens forbid if there are 2 specs in the game that sometimes have downtime

the horror

thats the mind melting stuff lovecraft was writing about

[thorn fjord]

Downtime just means we can focus on mechanics

😂

[shy pecan]

Or other shit, yeah

[harsh ingot]

is the wowhead m+ build accurate anymore or should i look at someone elses?

[thorn fjord]

Like eating a Cheeto mid pull

[royal lantern]

its accurate

[harsh ingot]

ok, ty

[wooden radish]

i love lovecraftian horros

old gods and the black empire needs to come back 😦

best part of wow

[royal lantern]

man you will be in for a suprise

when the next expansion is literally about the last old god

[wooden radish]

well i dont see the spidey people as lovecraftian

[thorn fjord]

I want a new god

[wooden radish]

but if thats the case

i thought nzoth was the last one

hmm

[royal lantern]

there where always 5

[thorn fjord]

Nzoth isn’t dead

[royal lantern]

and goonerbait is #5

we know that since legion lol

[royal lantern]

he is

[hard ocean]

Thought for sure I killed him

But

[thorn fjord]

Nah watch he’ll be back

He still sends me whispers all the time

[junior aurora]

unfortunatley we're past the point where they could retcon shadowlands by saying it was all a nzoth dream

[wooden radish]

apparently the 5th old god is on this image

A piece of artwork featured in Chronicle Volume 3 depicts the four known Azerothian Old Gods, in addition to a fifth creature in the top right corner.

[hard ocean]

sadge

[royal lantern]

its xalethath

we know it

she literally told us during legion

people just think she is a elf

[thorn fjord]

She a baddy for sure tho

[royal lantern]

cus they are stupid and missed the "its literally a corpse she just controlls" part

[wooden radish]

Xal'atath later freed herself from the blade in a pact with N'Zoth by possessing a deceased elven body. Her present location is unknown.

ah i see

so the body shes in is just basically a deceased elf

[royal lantern]

like, she is a full old god

[wooden radish]

ok gg

[royal lantern]

not a "omg hot elf"

[wooden radish]

lets goooo

[royal lantern]

[wooden radish]

i hope she has some tentacles

[thorn fjord]

Why can’t she be both

[wooden radish]

hot elf with tentacles

is the best

[royal lantern]

cus everyone knows that the elf body is a downgrade

smh my head

[thorn fjord]

[junior aurora]

big words coming from the vulpera main

[wooden radish]

so this is Xal'atath's true form

[royal lantern]

we dont know her true form

BUT in the trailer for TWW

[hard ocean]

might find out

[royal lantern]

you saw the spoder queen in front of a big tentacle

[hard ocean]

kekw

[royal lantern]

you know what they say

[wooden radish]

oh

[royal lantern]

big things come in small packages

UwU

[wooden radish]

so this is the original elf that Xal'atath is currently possessing:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Inanis

[royal lantern]

(my character is a worgen for a long time now btw)

[junior aurora]

im confused

does that make it better?

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[shy pecan]

I thought you were a vulpera

[hard ocean]

vulpera, worgen, same same

[shy pecan]

True

Damn furries

[royal lantern]

well

guild died

got an offer from a new one and they where alliance

[shy pecan]

So you became the other furry

[royal lantern]

and they payed me a transfer+faction change cus cross faction guilds didnt exist

mate

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

i play since tbc

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

and my character journey was

human->worgen->panda->vulpera->worgen

and i paid for only 2 of those

[shy pecan]

Imagine switching off panda...

Smh my head

[hard ocean]

Guild front it?

[royal lantern]

ye

[hard ocean]

rad

some NFL type shit

[shy pecan]

Probably was like "I'm horde :3", saw the :3 and they immediately were like "Done"

[dull cloak]

shouldve stayed panda

[royal lantern]

im ready for the dracthyr rogue

now give them transmog and im happy af

[shy pecan]

Was actually thinking about that

[sullen solstice]

Hello, I just decided to try rogue and im more inclined for assassination. Went looking for guides but havent found a good easy to follow one that is updated. Can anyone give me a pointer?

[static glacier]

Ambush animation about to go CRAZY

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[static glacier]

Pins

[royal lantern]

isnt ambush the same animation for everyone

[static glacier]

Yeah but they have wings n stuff

[royal lantern]

the guides will link you to wowhead, which is where our TC's put the stuff in

will answer 95% of your questions

[static glacier]

If you have specific q that isn’t covered by guides if you ask nicely the relevant TCs will answer

[thorn fjord]

or one of us degens

[sullen solstice]

ok, will follow the Wowhead guide then

[thorn fjord]

😉

[sullen solstice]

thank you all

what a nice discord!

[static glacier]

Whispyr is incredibly diligent, guide is good

[latent gazelle]

Just wait

[steel ridge]

*and cute

[static glacier]

😳

[royal lantern]

and maybe drunk

[static glacier]

Hiya

[thorn fjord]

thats me! Im drunk

poor @slate crown got to experience drunk dieslow in keys

[normal mist]

dont say that out loud, you may wake up whispyr

[thorn fjord]

Too early.. Theyre safe

[normal mist]

What time is it in america

[thorn fjord]

for Whispyr its 10:25

If he's even on the westcoast right now... last i knew he was in Eu or something? no idea

[normal mist]

he's back home iirc

[thorn fjord]

Ah then yeah

[royal lantern]

ngl, atleast if you look at the model viewer

they allready have a big Rogue+ by having a stealth animation that actually looks like stealth

idk why thats so rare in wow lol

[thorn fjord]

Make my tauren tip toe about

PLEASE

[royal lantern]

there are only like, 4 or 5 race/gender combinations where stealth actually looks like stealth lol

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/tip-toe-gif-18615126

[thorn fjord]

EXACTLY

[knotty radish]

Had a stomach ache all day, until I farted and now my office smells vile. Imagine crop dusting yourself out of your work place.

[runic hinge]

Male goblin

[normal mist]

You feelin better tho?

[knotty radish]

Leagues better mate.

[past forum]

the goated sneak

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/stealth-snake-hidden-sneak-sneaky-gif-19645540

[runic hinge]

I would never play one but the steath animation/walk is top tier

[past forum]

yeah i levelled a nelf and a goblin in the prepatch event, ill probably play the nelf for season 1 but there is something very satisfying of the goofy walk goblin does

[glad lark]

wtf guy?

[thorn fjord]

How long into TWW will people still be using Boon in keys?

[royal lantern]

yoooo

boon + killing spree outlaw

who needs character controll anyway

[thorn fjord]

Put it in gods hands

[royal lantern]

btw, wanna know a funny cool "new patch" thing

i cant open my mailbox

cus it just opens my bags for some reason and not the mail itself

[potent raven]

boonin

[thorn fjord]

You using bag add on or something?

[storm forum]

That happened to me last night. Mail and vendors just didn't open, just my bags.

[royal lantern]

nope

[storm forum]

I also don't have a bag addon

[hard ocean]

certified NA pre-patch moment

[royal lantern]

im not NA

and i feel deeply insulted that you thought that

[hard ocean]

It's more insulting to the NA servers

[south lava]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lunar oracle]

Dumbass question maybe, kinda new into trying out ass instead of sub/outlaw, what do you guys use to keep track of/check if envenom is still active?

[shy pecan]

I use a Weakaura to track

[hard ocean]

Luxthos has it built in - but you can hook it to a standalone if need be

[runic hinge]

LE also had a stand alone evenom tracker in their collection

[lunar oracle]

I am dumb then. I'm using luxthos. Where does it show?

[runic hinge]

below your combo points

there's a green bar

that ticks down

[severe sparrow]

i have to resize luxtho's bars a lot cuz im old and can't see my energy bar when it's like 3 pixels tall

[runic hinge]

that green is your envenom timer

[lunar oracle]

aaah, o boy, did not even notice, thanks!

[amber cobalt]

is doing AoE better or worse now with the SD removal?

[fossil oar]

should i use ashes with shiv on the last 8 seconds of kingsbane or just macro it to deathmark?

[runic hinge]

macro to kb

unless you're doing a lot of m+ and sending naked kb a lot then you can macro to dm and it's not that bad

[fossil oar]

i mainly do m+ yeah and i'm currently sending it with shiv on last 8 secs of KB on big bursts, is it gonna be a big loss if i macro it to DM instead or is it not a big dps loss

[thorn fjord]

Ive been lazy and just kept my DM macro for ash @runic hinge

Lazy boy gamers baby

[runic hinge]

yeah i have it macro'ed to DM so I don't send on naked kb in m+

[runic hinge]

it's probably like .4% to send on dm instead of kb

Sending it last 8 seconds is probably worse

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-rat-ratjam-catjam-ratjammers-gif-21929051

[zinc musk]

In your kingsbane / death mark window are you trying to output as many envenoms and shivs as possible? Ie you shouldn’t garrote or rupture in the window? Sorry new to sin…..

[runic hinge]

you wanna keep your bleeds up too

[zinc musk]

So it’s fair to garrote and rupture as well?

[proven jasper]

Refresh ur bleeds before u go into ur cd window

is the hope

[runic hinge]

and you just want shiv to cover kb

so you dm>shiv>kb then shiv again with 8 seconds left

[zinc musk]

Dumb question, what does shiv do to KB?

[runic hinge]

and envenom is a buff on yourself so you'll have time to refresh during dm if you need

shiv is 30% nature damage

[proven jasper]

Its a direct dmg increase

^^

[zinc musk]

Ah!

Shiv stacks always lines up with KB?

[proven jasper]

You want env and shiv buffs to fully cover ur kb window

yes

[zinc musk]

Got it!

So as long as shiv and env are going then you’re covered in the window?

[runic hinge]

you want to vanish>garrote into your dm's so you have empowered garrote up for it

[zinc musk]

And you can focus on pushing bleeds out?

Well bleeds should already be there

[runic hinge]

on your opener you wanna vanish during pandemic to keep imp garrote going

[zinc musk]

Perfect! If you go into pandemic during kb that’s okay to vanish to refresh as well?

[runic hinge]

okay during your first dm in the opener you wanna refresh imp garrote with like 6 seconds left after that you'll hold dm for your vanish cd and then go vanish>garrote>dm>shiv>kb

[proper tapir]

Just refresh the bleeds normally in DM/KB. And get as much Imp Gar in DM as you can. Don't overthinking it mate.

[runic hinge]

you won't have vanish for your naked kb so you'd envenom>shiv>kb

[zinc musk]

Ok! I’m honestly just following hero rotation right now trying to learn it. Just trying to understand the mechanisms behind it, sorry for the transparency.

I appreciate the knowledge!

[normal mist]

we don't really do anything new with the hero talents

Our gameplay is pretty much the same

[zinc musk]

Hero rotation is like hekili

[normal mist]

oh

[proven jasper]

I thought he meant hero talents also haha

[normal mist]

Let me then tell you that addon isnt good long term

So i'd advise moving away from it

[zinc musk]

I understand the stigma, lol

[normal mist]

once you think you have the basics learned

[proper tapir]

We love you no matter what, bro! Keep up the questions, we're happy to help.

[grim jay]

I felt a stinging sensation in my heart

[normal mist]

Hekili isn't bad to LEARN the basics, but it is BAD long term, you should learn the rotation on your own, it will help you understand what to do under certain circumstances

[grim jay]

and the urge to open sin chat

[zinc musk]

Thank you

[grim jay]

now I read hekili

so I know what it was from

[normal mist]

Davyn go cook a tmog for #1262437829150113855

you don't have hekili there

[grim jay]

what about a hekili mog

[normal mist]

Damn you got me thinking

Error 404

[grim jay]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/A8LCKIWKWBY/maxresdefault.jpg

thats the hekili mog

[normal mist]

A full set

obviously

[runic hinge]

I'm always a full set gamer I'll never win

[zinc musk]

I just like the programming challenge, of converting what you guys say into actuality.

[normal mist]

but that isnt what happens

[zinc musk]

I love SIMC but I’m not a robot.

[normal mist]

Hekili does not mean you're doing what you're supposed to in every single circumnstance

again, good for basic gameplay, bad for long term gameplay

[zinc musk]

Could you give me an example?

[normal mist]

M+

[runic hinge]

hekili doesn't deal with seal fate well

[normal mist]

bosses with transitions and invuln phases

[zinc musk]

Oh you mean holding cds?

[runic hinge]

it doesn't recognize pooling either

[rotund oak]

[zinc musk]

HR pools

lol

I laughed at the gif sorry

[grim jay]

I first thought its a deez nuts animated emoji not loading

ngl

[zinc musk]

Hahahaha

[normal mist]

Trust me Mookie, we're not saying this because we Hate the guy, the addon is really good for some specs, but that isnt the case for rogue overall

Thats why we are incentivizing you to actually learn the spec

[rotund oak]

Hekili actually makes u a worse rogue

[zinc musk]

Oh I agree, I just never learned how to do it without

I’m not using hekili

[rotund oak]

coz u completely eliminate the adaptation factor

[zinc musk]

Would definitely throw some cash to help break me out of addon useage

[rotund oak]

thank albert einstein and gauss

holymoly

a relief rly

[normal mist]

I'd advise on reading the Wowhead guide, written by Whispyr. You'll most likely understand the spec way better. Yes reading is boring but you might learn well that way. Whispyr also has a youtube channel where he goes over rogue stuff, really good information if you like video content better.

Other than that, its reading talents and abilities, and asking us questions

Most of us, altough we offtopic in this channel a lot, will answer every question you have in detail

So feel free to just ask stuff once you've read the guide

[hollow stone]

nahnahnah, just dont read the guide and ask questions that are in the guide(s) or pin(s), you'll get answers fast

[normal mist]

Thats a really bad take

and a quick way to make whispyr mad xD

[hollow stone]

yea it is, this is sarcasm, mookie, dont actualy do that XD

[blazing plaza]

hmm.. 🙂

[zinc musk]

I generally memorize the rotation and guides. I’m just really really slow at button pushing. Don’t know how to speed up

[normal mist]

Hi monster how you doing today man

[blazing plaza]

hey

[normal mist]

then you're playing the right spec

[blazing plaza]

good. and u ?

not drunk this time..sadly

😦

[normal mist]

Doing amazing today, altough its fucking hot man goddamn

[blazing plaza]

same here 40 ..im melting

[normal mist]

Can't you just get some ice beers?

[blazing plaza]

chilling today..going to drink tomorrow tho 🙂

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah B)

[blazing plaza]

hehe

[normal mist]

I've never drink so i can only imagine how fun that can be for some people

[blazing plaza]

well it is...but is also exhausting 😄

[brave lotus]

How do i import the whispyr WA’s? They’re just code

[blazing plaza]

./wa import paste

[spring stream]

s a m e

[blazing plaza]

😉

[brave lotus]

Nvm i have to click export/fork changes then copy string. Doesn’t have the little red copy string at the top like others usually do

[sullen monolith]

Good morning Assa gods!
I have a question: What is the target cap that worth to keep up CT on targets? 3? 5?

[normal mist]

3+

[sullen monolith]

3 and more or more then 3? 😄

ive just done an AA, and CT was my 1st dmg which surprised me a lot. I know AA is a bit special, because of the large pulls, but yeah

[past forum]

what key level? that also effects your damage breakdown a lot

[proper tapir]

Three or more.... For now

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[sullen monolith]

Thanks!

[grim jay]

beta info aint enough

sigma info where

[normal mist]

here: Transmog is the true endgame

[grim jay]

but thats a known fact

[normal mist]

Also a sigma info

[supple rapids]

So what's the deal with Echoing Reprimand?

[dull kindle]

How we looking in those 5 min ST sims for TWW?

Seeing a lot of different information

[normal mist]

And you'll keep seeing different information

because tuning isnt final

so if you want real answers you better off coming back during heroic week, or week after

Right now, its all "who knows"

[spice surge]

Not entirely sure what youre asking

[normal mist]

you press it and you don't force it

[supple rapids]

I just have no idea how to read that talent.

It seems confusing n

[lime crypt]

just press it on cooldown

and use finisher if you happen to end in those 3 combo points that glow blue

dont overthink it

[spice surge]

You press it, one of your combo points get "empowered" and turn blue, and the next time you land on that point you use a finisher

[shadow badger]

do we know if sub or sin is looking better for tww rn?

[normal mist]

no

[spice surge]

(and you likely resounding clarity, which means you empower 3 points instead)

[normal mist]

There you can see me using all 3 Echoing reprimand "charges" (aka the 3 blue combo points)

[vestal wren]

big icons

[normal mist]

:C

[vestal wren]

is that tellmewhen?

[normal mist]

yeah

I'm a TmW boomer

cant use WAs

[supple rapids]

That's crazy. Didn't know they still updated that.

[normal mist]

the important part was the blue combo points cmon xD

It doesnt look THAT big @vestal wren

[pure moth]

Definitely playing for the blind.

[normal mist]

[gloomy flax]

Thats what she said

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/maybeeeee-try-not-to-laugh-gif-12778510

[weak isle]

what

is this

banger ui

[normal mist]

TellMeWhen, an old addon, i could never get used to WA's like most rogues have, and since i use TMW since like cata (?) i can't use anything else now

[onyx venture]

Do you have a tracker for improved garrote in tellmewhen? If yes, please tellmehow.

[normal mist]

No idea, been playing assa for so long i do that without addons

[onyx venture]

Ok, thanks. That's one thing I use Weakauras for. Everything else i build in tmw.

[normal mist]

Its probably possible to do, but i just don't know how

[thorn fjord]

Can have a WA that glows a diff color when IMP Gar is active

Its what I have

[high jetty]

I stepped away from S4 once we got 3500. I see equinox and some other content people are ranking rogue pretty highly in m+ do we agree with this sentiment? I haven't played beta at all

[thorn fjord]

We're in a good spot right now

[normal mist]

Right now in beta assassination rogue is really strong in m+

[thorn fjord]

Meta boys unite

We're getting invited to pugs again

[normal mist]

Until we get nerfed in the following weeks of tuning

[thorn fjord]

Cries in S1

[high jetty]

Interesting. I see most live logs aren't playing cleave any more either. Little bit of a hybrid build

[normal mist]

SBS build is BiS

feels really good

[subtle tundra]

its tuned high
per the usual will be hit with a nerf to be brought in line and then another one to put us where we deserve

[spice surge]

Pins has info about builds

But yes, assa got buffed a lot and is now very good in keys

[thorn fjord]

Where we deserve

[subtle tundra]

in the gutter, as always

[high jetty]

I hit the AOE dummies for a while this morning. Can confirm SBS feels pretty good

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-oscar-the-grouch-gif-26259439

[normal mist]

accelerated opener is bis man, hitting that rupture into SnD

[high jetty]

Yeah that's gotta feel good. And Vanish doesnt seem like its worth any real damage any more besides imp Garrote. So you can probably chain pretty aggressively and just use vanish for your restealths. My tank would like that

[normal mist]

yeah atm vanish only purpose is to imp garrosh

no more vanishing the last 3 secs of KB

[thorn fjord]

I use vanish at parties all the time

[normal mist]

xD

[junior aurora]

irish goodbye is bis

[thorn fjord]

Dont be like Bill Cosby and use Envenom at a party tho

[slate crown]

Does it let you do scripting?

[normal mist]

aaaaaaaahm

Hard question for someone like to me answer

[slate crown]

Hehe

[onyx venture]

You can use lua code

If you know how to do that

[ivory kraken]

I've enjoyed the TMW simplistic approach in the past

[thorn fjord]

Just ask ChatGPT

[spice surge]

WA also has the simple options

Premade auras do exactly that

[normal mist]

thats all i know

[vast loom]

wait that layout seems just as complicated as WA's lol

[thorn fjord]

I actually wonder if chatgpt has the capabilities of writing weak auras for you

[spice surge]

Definitely could, you just gotta know what to ask for

[normal mist]

All i do is track buffs and debuffs and thats it

[onyx venture]

"Hey ChatGPT, how do I track Improved Garrote in TMW?" "Just play mage, nerd"

[thorn fjord]

I’m going to actually fiddle around with it for funsies

[high jetty]

Tuning aside. How does deathstalker feel in keys? like is playing around the mark rewarding? Or just cumbersome?

[spice surge]

mb

It didnt embed

[thorn fjord]

Did you just hack my phone

Enjoy the debauchery

[spice surge]

Pretty easy to do with weakauras too

Premade auras really underutilized feature

[shy pecan]

Confirmed

[spice surge]

I clicked a bit fast but when you press "debuffs" it just lists all the debuffs from your current spec, and similarly if you press cooldowns it shows the cooldowns etc

Very cool

[indigo epoch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

THE FUTURE IS NOW

[normal mist]

HOLY

[thorn fjord]

That is pretty cool

[normal mist]

that seemed rather........... fast man wtf what have i been missing xD

[midnight mist]

EWWWWWW

[normal mist]

tbf i still dont like the WAs where all the stuff is in the center of the screen so if i used WA i'd just use the same setup i've been using

[midnight mist]

I cant believe tell me when is still being updated ngl

[normal mist]

someone just said the exact same thing

and yeah i've been using it since cata i believe

[shy pecan]

Only boomers use TMW

[onyx venture]

I have once rebuilt my TMW interface in WA, just to see how that works. I maaged to do that, but I still think some basic stuff is easier in TMW.

[shy pecan]

Oh, hey @normal mist

[normal mist]

hey!

[shy pecan]

[normal mist]

i'm a '95 boomer

[shy pecan]

🙄

[midnight mist]

so ld

[runic hinge]

So you use it?

[shy pecan]

God no

[vestal wren]

its interessting how good templates are now, i never used them

[midnight mist]

tbf

once you know what a trigger is

[shy pecan]

I spent like a weekend asking zac about dynamic group resizing for bars

[midnight mist]

and how to just create a weak aura with a trigger

[spice surge]

I also leaked all my WAs, oh no

[midnight mist]

you cna do everything

pretty easely

without knowledge

[midnight mist]

[shy pecan]

Yeah, once you understand how triggers work, it’s so easy to set them up

[shy pecan]

All that work down the drain because back to static widths

[midnight mist]

im still using semi dynamic stuffs

but ye

[shy pecan]

I’m using the dynamic groups and sizing like CDs still. But not like bars or like RTB stuff.

[midnight mist]

have you seen my new one

ace weak aura

[shy pecan]

Nice

That's pretty sick

[potent dagger]

`84 in da place

[normal mist]

🫡

[midnight mist]

84

definitly too old for outlaw

[runic hinge]

I’m ‘90 boomer and I fear for my wrists if I were to ever actually do content with it.

I hit dummies a couple times a season to see if I could play it

Then I get scared

[potent dagger]

Nope XD

Never too old

Muscle memory has no age XD

[vestal wren]

damn, means i don't need the onlyfans subscription anymore for your weakaura set

[runic hinge]

[normal mist]

Damn fuu xD

[spice surge]

My passive income is ruined

[shy pecan]

Hey, can I get some gold?

[vale fox]

Hey guys quick question: Do you ever use ambush as Sin Rogue?

[proud pelican]

Fuu and Zac in the assassination channel

[shy pecan]

Blindside procs

[vale fox]

but not like outlaw when exiting stealth right?

like it's not part of the stealth rotation or the usual rotation besides the procs?

[proud pelican]

No sir let those garrotes fly

[vale fox]

got it

thanks

[normal mist]

Deathstalker will

Use ambush in the opener

[shy pecan]

True

[vale fox]

why so

new to rogue

still deciding between staying on my lock or coming to rogue and trying to understand the class

[shy pecan]

It's part of the new hero talents.

[vale fox]

ok got it

[versed mica]

Does mark still not work in subterfuge?

If so, doesn't that mean if you get thrown out of stealth for any reason you're fucked?

[spice surge]

It has always worked in subterfuge

But you dont spec subterfuge so yes you get fucked

[versed mica]

Oh, I swear I read somewhere that it hasn't worked with subterfuge

Wait

Bruh my brain

Okay yeah

Kms

[spice surge]

You'd just vanish for it

[versed mica]

Would anyone really be sad if we got rid of the rogue incentive to do stuff from stealth and just have stealth as utility lmao

Because holy shit so much stuff throws me out of stealth randomly

[hexed frost]

Main class mechanic
Want to get rid of it

[hexed frost]

It's like druids wanting to get rid of shapeshifting

[jaunty hill]

But I have to agree a bit. Infight Stealth feels weird sometimes. I dont mind it but it feels weird every now and then

[indigo epoch]

how the heck do you get to kil'jaeden in tomb of sargeras?

killed avatar, now nothing

[blazing plaza]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

Theres a platform near a guy there

[indigo epoch]

oh dang, i killed avatar too fast 😦

he never smashed the gorund

*ground

[austere sorrel]

That happened to me last week, I was able to get below by hearthing and running back. But got stuck there, couldn't use the portal, no npc

[haughty flicker]

if that ever happens again

make a group in group finder, then leave your own party

it'll teleport you to the entrance after a minute so you dont have to hearth and get all the way back

ive ran uldir like 20 times in the past 3 weeks doing that

[versed mica]

Well it's either that or they should rework stealth so I can't be targeted by mechanics when stealthed

Because holy shit it's annoying to be stealthong and then suddenly a mob decides to turn and cast something at me even though he shouldn't be seeing me

I'm saying this as someone who has mained rogue since vanilla

Stealth as a mechanic hasn't been changed since vanilla except for removing the movement speed decrease

Like update it or something idfk

[hexed frost]

Well I know which mobs can target through stealth, which mobs do aoe that breaks stealth and which mobs ignore stealth.

Ofc there is a little rng, but nothing game breaking by any means

Like I know the bugs and lashers in AA and AV can snap through stealth so I do my rotation early

[zinc musk]

Class fantasy

[wraith pebble]

The vast majority of mechanics you can reliably time it so you don't get knocked out

Or just work your CDs around getting things up before/after the phase or whatever

[placid cobalt]

stealth is a terribly outdated mechanic, imho, i'd be happy if they remove damage buff associated with it

[normal mist]

Class fantasy tho

[wraith pebble]

🤷‍♂️ never stopped being one of my favorite aspects off the class

[placid cobalt]

like as in leave it in the game so you can stealth around packs distract sap whatever you want, but don't make it so my damage is penalized if i'm in stealth, in a game where the objective is to do things on a timer

[versed mica]

That can be fixed by making stealth utility only, like keeping garrote silence from stealth

[placid cobalt]

i get the class fantasy argument, but when it hurts the gameplay i'd say fuck class fantasy tbh

[hexed frost]

So many bad ideas lmao

[versed mica]

Keeps fantasy but you aren't reliant on stealth for damage

[hexed frost]

Thank God you guys' opinion don't count

[versed mica]

Yours doesn't either lmao

[hexed frost]

[wraith pebble]

It's a decision you have to make, though they definitely should give more meaningful opportunities to use it for utility in fights

[versed mica]

I'm just chatting

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-mj-michael-jackson-thriller-thriller-popcorn-gif-5463189

[wraith pebble]

The damage benefit is really nothing insane

[placid cobalt]

"our guys opinion" wowhead post about rogue comes out and out of 25 comments 23 are people rerolling cos class is bad 😄

[hexed frost]

Most of us enjoy the damage amp from stealth or subterfuge. And the devs agree

[thorn fjord]

Its really not that big a deal tbh

[normal mist]

Yeah

But it adds to class fantasy imo

[versed mica]

Okay? And your opinion still doesn't matter. We're just discussing in a class discord

[normal mist]

Doing more DMG coming out of stealth