yeh
#assassination
balmy condor
what is this?
his fucking spreadsheet, the thing we were just talking about
@spice surge note the crop on this as well 
unreal
silk bane
his fucking spreadsheet, the thing we were just talking about
oh idk about his spreadsheet, but I saw one running around. seems kinda old though because it has specs simming from 900k to 1.7M for arcane
balmy condor
that we have to do this shit
silk bane
probably atleast 2-3 weeks old
strange python
oh idk about his spreadsheet, but I saw one running around. seems kinda old thou...
That’s the one
silk bane
<@212854714197344256> note the crop on this as well <:ICANT:1063885246145245227>
crop gaming
strange python
It was fun to join the discord and see some tcs put him into place tho 
balmy condor
in mage disc?
strange python
No he has one
strange python
It’s called „Izens Top experts“
primal yoke
is sin still bugged on beta or is the damage accurate?
balmy condor
gold medal in misinformation olympics
shy pecan
Izen? Fuck that guy
mighty kiln
When is coming the caustic nerf?
balmy condor
is sin still bugged on beta or is the damage accurate?
plenty of bugs for assa
viscid harness
Well regardless of the accuracy assa looks like it will pump
strange python
is sin still bugged on beta or is the damage accurate?
It’s bugged but it’s not doing out of its mind more damage than it’s supposed to be
balmy condor
wait did u guys know you can post stories on twitch now?
yeh they're starting to roll out a tiktok/instagram reels type of auto-scroll for streams too it's quite strange
like instead of tiktok videos
it's just live shots of streamers
and you just scroll through them?
silk bane
its the first time im seeing it. kinda really weird ngl
strange python
The scroll on the main page of mobile is crazy annoying
balmy condor
oh yeah have to update pin with that
cerulean nest
am I understanding this right?
balmy condor
you just max out envenom uptime, and if you can't anymore you let your energy recover a bit yeah
fatebound doesn't mind being a bit above 50 since sanguine is good
balmy condor
grim batol on use and any of the passive trinkets
tawny pewter
Do you remember the name?
nimble vector
grim batol one isn't on the vendor
balmy condor
yeh you can't buy it
nimble vector
so transmitter i guess
spice surge
yeh they're starting to roll out a tiktok/instagram reels type of auto-scroll fo...
Did y'all see the unveil of this when the CEO/some higherup just scrolled through streams from the section of twitch with women wearing not much clothing
balmy condor
transmitter would be good yeah
cerulean nest
how annoying is transmitter to use? i havent tried it yet
spice surge
He just tries to scroll past it but it keeps recommending him it
balmy condor
how annoying is transmitter to use? i havent tried it yet
like branch but worse
strange python
how annoying is transmitter to use? i havent tried it yet
The voices seem to want you to jump!!!
final star
He just tries to scroll past it but it keeps recommending him it
He's a huge coomer
cerulean nest
no way it's worse
balmy condor
wdym no way its worse
strange python
It’s worse
tawny pewter
I try to buy first ones from vendor, which one shall i?
balmy condor
branch was consistent and you just zip zip run in a triangle gg
this one you can't even predict what you have to do
nimble vector
branch was never that bad
the orb running away from you on transmitter is so insanely illegal
strange python
How did they make an expansion without a good on use 2min
cerulean nest
yeah but the whole "DONT collect the THIRD orb until this MOMENT of your KINGSBANE" shit was awful
balmy condor
I mean that's the grim batol trinket
cerulean nest
the orb running away from you on transmitter is so insanely illegal
did you use branch on tindral opener? that was hilarious
balmy condor
yeah but the whole "DONT collect the THIRD orb until this MOMENT of your KINGSBA...
you ignored that most of the time
but it was insanely free on tindral
nimble vector
did you use branch on tindral opener? that was hilarious
Yeah that one was exceptionally bad
balmy condor
what
nimble vector
just opener, the rest are easy
balmy condor
opener one lined up fine
you just had to rotate your triangle a little so you ran into the third orb when you dodged the fire
no big deal
cerulean nest
which is what I did, but it doesnt cover the end of kingsbane that way
stops early
spice surge
If you get unlucky with the "stand in the circle" thing with transmitter youre just fucked
balmy condor
oh no my 0.1%
cerulean nest
hey im just saying lol
spice surge
If they remove that one it would be way better
cerulean nest
I agree just give us another ashes
balmy condor
yeah I mean solution is don't get butthurt about losing irrelevant damage idk
dark token
did you use branch on tindral opener? that was hilarious
This was so aids
I spent the entire first raid night experimenting with techs to get this right
nimble vector
wasn't irrelevant on prog 
but yeah it didn't matter that much
balmy condor
they're gonna keep making cringe trinkets just gotta adapt
balmy condor
wasn't irrelevant on prog <:ultramad:1215066490496098314> but yeah it didn't mat...
it definitely was
cerulean nest
not saying it was make or break damage. just would like trinkets to be able to be used when I want to use them lol
thats all
spice surge
Casters get a new version of coral, we get transmitter
Thanks blizz
(i know they can use transmitter too)
dark token
I ended up on: use branch pre pull where he is gonna be dragged for first beams, then shadowstep to boss and start opener and sprint to catch up to him. First 2 orbs will drift into you about the time of death mark and then run into third on ur way out of beams
But was super aids
strange python
(i know they can use transmitter too)
If we could only use their trinket too.. 
dark token
Ashes was way better
cerulean nest
remember when people had to literally cast their puzzle box
strange python
<a:ashtwerk:1102767797827805264>
Listen I need this server
static glacier
branch was fine on tindral
final star
That emote is actually out of pocket holy fuck
static glacier
every time we used it was a point where we had free movement
cerulean nest
If you get unlucky with the "stand in the circle" thing with transmitter youre j...
how big is the circle?
i'll get on beta later and see
spice surge
Not big
But ye skardyn is decently close for assa so theres no way youre playing transmitter
Dust sub on the other hand 
hearty reef
how about we transmit them that the trinket is doodoo
strange python
How about we bring back the delve trinket, it was ass and farming in delves would’ve been ass but at least I don’t gotta stay in a circle
also I atleast knew what is coming up and don’t have to listen to the voices first
distant plinth
We gonna get a nerf hammer once wfr is over🤣
dark token
Finally rogue spec good in keys
Assa hasn't been good in keys since bfa 8.0
Let me shine
shy pecan
We gonna get a nerf hammer once wfr is over🤣
What’s new? Sin gets nerfed, everyone plays sub 
dark token
(still won't get played over mage spriest Aug comp btw)
dark token
Just cause it does more dmg than outlaw doesn't mean u won't get god comped
See: warlock this season
Assa can't live high keys
final star
What’s new? Sin gets nerfed, everyone plays sub <:Smile:1215068700781182976>
I play rogue (not outlaw)
minor finch
Nice buffs right?
snow hamlet
If we have 6cp and darkest night, which builder we use to get 7cp?
spice surge
Mutilate
shy pecan
I play rogue (not outlaw)
Yeah, I know. You’re better than zac blah blah
final star
Yeah, I know. You’re better than zac blah blah
Not at outlaw
snow hamlet
shy pecan
Not at outlaw
Rogue specs (not outlaw)
final star
Also zac is just as good at sub
shy pecan
Can’t boost his ego yo
shy pecan
Gotta keep him as the fifth most favorite Advance person
shy pecan
Zac doesn't have an ego
I know 😛
final star
final star
Deal with it
shy pecan
Gottem
final star
It's only really bad in keys
Aka the only place outlaw is viable
Kinda silly really
shy pecan
Alright I’ll stop joking on zac…
final star
Poor zac
earnest remnant
i wont
earnest remnant
how the fuck did you know?
shy pecan
broken ibex
fooling around on beta, did they remove Swirly Ball? Or am I blind?
iron valve
did you make a new character? it's a glyph
drifting cloud
wasnt that removed like 5 years ago
broken ibex
did you make a new character? it's a glyph
ah, truth. Whew
earnest remnant
did you stub your pinky in the gym
actually squashed my pinky between weights
you some sorta magician?
drifting cloud
thats why you stay home and eat pizza
spice surge
thats why you stay home and eat pizza
Pizza or borgir
earnest remnant
thats why you stay home and eat pizza
do i spend my Method paycheck on 2 level 10 gems for my reaper, thats the question
drifting cloud
wait for patch notes atleast :p
earnest remnant
we getting new patch notes wednesday ?
shy pecan
Pizza or borgir
Pizza unless you all are putting some crazy toppings on it
drifting cloud
your gold generation might be buffed by a lot with bound gold, we have no clue how it will look
earnest remnant
true true
fair point
also my method paycheck is when the new expansion comes out
so
a bit away
drifting cloud
how many guildies do you have to bring to splits for a paycheck
spice surge
Pizza unless you all are putting some crazy toppings on it
Good pizza > Good borgir > Mid/bad borgir > mid/bad pizza
earnest remnant
how many guildies do you have to bring to splits for a paycheck
that was a funny night, when that got posted in our guild discord xD
they literally just reached out to everybody for help
shy pecan
Good pizza > Good borgir > Mid/bad borgir > mid/bad pizza
Can agree with that
drifting cloud
@spice surge did method ask your guild aswell
earnest remnant
we dont even do splits for ourselves, why would we do it for another guild? xD
spice surge
<@212854714197344256> did method ask your guild aswell
Idk if they did it wasnt posted in our guild
spice surge
we dont even do splits for ourselves, why would we do it for another guild? xD
Im begrudgingly gonna have an alt this tier
Splits are mad value now that set bonuses are worth like 4% across the board
./s
drifting cloud
atleast its its own week again
lets just hope heroic tuning isnt funny like can sometimes happen start of xpac
shy pecan
Eleemock or whatever your aff lock is named
spice surge
Warlock is Eleejm (the joke doesnt translate well into english because you need to say it with an a specific swedish accent)
But probably not warlock, leaning more toward arms or feral
nimble vector
we dont even do splits for ourselves, why would we do it for another guild? xD
to help the cause 
dark token
do i spend my Method paycheck on 2 level 10 gems for my reaper, thats the questi...
Leak paycheck
Kinda curious how much wow sports pays, probably pretty minimal outside of rwf and top 2 right
And even those 2 are within mid-high end job range for the event but not year-round I assume?
dark token
O I thought u changed guilds or something when you phrased like that
hasty moat
Guys, who has a good weakaura for m+
shy pecan
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hasty moat
My thanks!
blazing jewel
we dont even do splits for ourselves, why would we do it for another guild? xD
Do splits lil raccoon man
earnest remnant
Do splits lil raccoon man
no
final star
Do splits lil raccoon man
Dw I'll do his for him
blazing jewel
Dw I'll do his for him
Thanks qtpie
final star
Np
hasty moat
Guys, does the garrote hang on everyone automatically or do I need to hang it on everyone separately?
spice surge
Indiscrimate carnage causes your target +2 others to be affected by the bleeds youre casting
So yes, you want target other things to apply as many dots as possible in most aoe scenarios
full summit
Hows sin looking for TWW?
i heard its good but hero talents are overall fucking rogue itself
unsure if thats true or just a rumor
actually that kinda goes with all specs
does anyone know pls i dont stay in the loop for this stuff cus idk where to check
zinc willow
This is a big vague but I remember seeing a write up about pooling and sanguine blades once we lost tier. Anyone know where I saw that?
slate crown
This is a big vague but I remember seeing a write up about pooling and sanguine ...
!pooling
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Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
slate crown
This is a big vague but I remember seeing a write up about pooling and sanguine ...
Also, check pins for additional details on pooling logic for hero talents
zinc willow
Hmm which pin
slate crown
Hmm which pin
slim hamlet
I seem to notice a theme here 
slate crown
i heard its good but hero talents are overall fucking rogue itself
Anyone saying hero talents are overall fucking rogue is grossly overstating the issue, at least with regards to sin/sub (I know the trickster gcd lock on coup is still bad for outlaw, though fatebound is fine). The numbers are fine. There are definitely (lots of) bugs right now still which need to be addressed, but rogue isn't "fucked" for the expansion because of hero talents. Rogue functions, it does damage, the hero talents add some unwanted friction but it's not like the game is ruined for rogue right now
Not that close examination of numbers cross comparing classes matter right now
cunning cloak
but but but izen release that spreadsheet
that was sarcasm
please don't flame me
plush arch
crisp burrow
is there any recent video talking about the current rogue situation
idk i like to listen to them when doing stuff
full summit
Anyone saying hero talents are overall fucking rogue is grossly overstating the ...
im just using the words of the person who told me that info
i know all 3 specs according to the patch notes looks strong
I'm just deciding whether or not what toon i wanna choose for my prog team once im geared and what not yk?
shy dust
I'm just deciding whether or not what toon i wanna choose for my prog team once ...
the one you enjoy the most
the lvl you raid at it doesn't matter
full summit
sadly i enjoy all my toons the most
shy dust
well then just pick one
balance is irrelevant
play to have fun and improve as a player
crisp burrow
Some people just like playing toons that are strong
whats wrong with that
or at least achieving a balance between meta and fun
shy dust
chasing fotm when balance will inevitably change significantly is a wild choice
given the expansion has not even dropped yet
balmy condor
Some people just like playing toons that are strong
yeah the problem with this is that people are simply not good enough to be chasing the top meta
like you're going to reroll to a class that's 3% stronger
crisp burrow
I mean yeah, maybe it doesn't matter if they aren't top 1% , or good enough for it to matter
balmy condor
spend a month and a half learning it to be half decent
and then it's not meta anymore
crisp burrow
but still some people just dont like playing whats bad or whatever
shy dust
but still some people just dont like playing whats bad or whatever
at the level they play at nothing is bad
crisp burrow
ik
balmy condor
they don't ever get to the point where they're able to take advantage of the minutia of meta
crisp burrow
but some people just dont enjoy playing somehting that isnt optimal
balmy condor
well then they need to look in the mirror
cause they're the ones that aren't optimal lmao
crisp burrow
I mean yeah , but isnt that kinda like saying " why dont you choose random talents , if you arent good enough for them to matter"
earnest remnant
play assassination
no
shy dust
press your 2 buttons in aoe
balmy condor
"pressing cold blood feels bad"
crisp burrow
I just dont think its something to shame people about
balmy condor
that's fine
crisp burrow
tbh
balmy condor
macro it
drifting cloud
wrong channel rae?
earnest remnant
press your 2 buttons in aoe
sorry im a trickster sub rogue
shy dust
He knows what he is
exotic rose
He is basically saying you guys green parse in real life
crisp burrow
bruh
balmy condor
I just dont think its something to shame people about
it's the opposite of shaming them though
earnest remnant
im gonna be passively cleaving my eviscerates and enjoy it
crisp burrow
ik you didnt, but like its so common nowadays
fleet pagoda
He is basically saying you guys green parse in real life
that's the content I didn't want an invite to 
crisp burrow
but like to some extent most of us favor whats stronger
balmy condor
it's being realisitic and empowering people to play the way they want to without imposing the pressure of THIS IS BEST AND IF NOT PLAY THIS THEN BAD
crisp burrow
im not gonna run a talent i despise you know
but maybe I dont run one i like a lot because of how bad it is
I guess
I like playing the meta builds tho
that way i know the issue is me and not my talents
stuck knoll
sub has been shit to play for like 2 expansions buddy
Wait does this imply the last time sub was good to play was BFA 
drifting cloud
sometimes playing a talent thats 1% worse when you would butcher the alternative is a good thing
or when its even less than 1%
crisp burrow
you can always improve tho
what I mean is that if I know my talents are good, then it only comes down to improving
spice surge
Like if you played the talent build that top assassination players played in s3 or s4 in low keys you would do zero damage
Because that build doesnt work if your target dies mid kingsbane
So even though it might be "the meta build", it would be way worse for a weekly key
drifting cloud
and in raid its very rarely a dps issue, even at mid hof level
shy dust
the aoe rotation still exists
earnest remnant
wdym nimble flurry goes brrrt
spice surge
Does it?
shy dust
just because i didnt raid didnt mean i didnt dabble in content
earnest remnant
no more blackpowders
earnest remnant
and in raid its very rarely a dps issue, even at mid hof level
i mean even where we play around top 50 it barely matters
drifting cloud
i mean even where we play around top 50 it barely matters
im underselling it so I dont have to explain in long paragraphs ok
earnest remnant
fair
spice surge
Smolderon/sludgefist type boss looks dope no?
drifting cloud
princess looks decent
and im like 99% benched on court anyways
lmao
might be a repeat on nathria for me, think thats the only time I sat 2 bosses in a row (sludge, slg)
drifting cloud
but like explain to me what is rasha'nan doing in this raid and its somehow not 1st or 2nd boss
silk bane
The perfect argument cuz only 7 players know what it felt like
tbh all of them said sub was awesome rotation wise, just healed bosses instead of doing damage
all 7 of em
crisp burrow
wasnt sub good in third shadowlands patch
errant mauve
How’s rogue feel to play in beta? They fun to play?
shy dust
wasnt sub good in third shadowlands patch
Both 2nd and 3rd
stuck knoll
wasnt sub good in third shadowlands patch
sub was also good in 2nd
oh rae already said that
crisp burrow
damn
gusty mirage
Omg it’s rae
crisp burrow
I played mage in second
gusty mirage
The legend himself
crisp burrow
and went back to rogue on third
stuck knoll
it was just CN that rogue kinda sucked mega balls
vital haven
it was just CN that rogue kinda sucked mega balls
most melee did tbf
how did that patch go live with the balance that it had is beyond me
half moat
Sin Garrote Double dipping right now?
balmy condor
Sin Garrote Double dipping right now?
if you take a bad talent yes
dark token
it was just CN that rogue kinda sucked mega balls
Ye I rerolled monk until .5 dropped and assa got better
half moat
ahh ok, just verifying. Tundrah destroying right now. I assume he's using bug
stuck knoll
Ye I rerolled monk until .5 dropped and assa got better
I played like half a patch cuz I was moving and I was on Ele sham at the time
I went back rogue in Sanctum and then just quit cuz I hated the expac
balmy condor
ahh ok, just verifying. Tundrah destroying right now. I assume he's using bug
idk who that is, but abusing the bug isn't a thing
if you abuse the bug it's +2.5%
and you have to take a 5% loss to even talent into the thing that's bugged
half moat
well then , the buffs must have been pretty good. Cause he's gapping everyone and he's running with notable players lol
dark token
Let assa be good in keys for 1 season
Even overturned it would not be played over mage sp Aug
crisp burrow
well its gonna change a lot in the following weeks
half moat
word. also figured that. Cause I picked mine up off the shelf and topped with my team in the first key trying to figure out how to play it again lol
crisp burrow
i wouldnt take that for granted
dark token
Not enough survival
Needs to be insanely babysat
Even if ur survival is good and ur dmg is good you can also just get shat on by god comp due to lack of synergy (see warlock this season)
half moat
which gives over tuned vibes. good to know. enjoy it while it lasts I guess
fleet pagoda
well then , the buffs must have been pretty good. Cause he's gapping everyone an...
those other two dps are competing with the tank most pulls
minor finch
Nah sp isn’t great right now
half moat
Is monk just trash? gapping Dabnel on his monk in aoe by a few mil is kind of noticable. speaks to either sin being cracked or monk being shit
which is why I asked
and "competeing with tank" isn't much of a metric considering the season we just had with DH lol
fleet pagoda
bit of both monk being weak and rogue being stronk probably
half moat
fair
fleet pagoda
glad people are slammin sin in beta now though. maybe it was a 200 iq move by blizzard to get people to play it to get feedback/numbers 
sullen kelp
so recently ive been trying to learn assa on beta but in the last 10m when i garrote the opener and vanish garrote to extend the imp garrote its not generating full cps (5cp in opener) did something change?
normal mist
glad people are slammin sin in beta now though. maybe it was a 200 iq move by bl...
They didnt really need more feedback, unless they only move if a huge number of reports are made
normal mist
so recently ive been trying to learn assa on beta but in the last 10m when i gar...
yeah, they fixed the bugs
normal mist
i mean, if he's complaining about vanish - garrote not awarding 5cp
then yes right?
it's supposed to be 3
balmy condor
well it would have to be during deathmark or with subterfuge talented as well
idk if he's got those conditions
balmy condor
my first assumption is that bugs are not fixed and its user error rather than the other way around
normal mist
Only one way to find out
balmy condor
yeh go for it buddy all you
fleet pagoda
oh is shrouded benefiting from deathmark again??
balmy condor
I'm packing up my shit atm I got a plane to catch
normal mist
No worries whispyr, get ready for the flight then
balmy condor
oh is shrouded benefiting from deathmark again??
yeah they did some weird behind the scenes stealth changes
balmy condor
No worries whispyr, get ready for the flight then
I'll be around, like 3 hours of train rides first
crisp burrow
have a safe flight man
balmy condor
yeah they did some weird behind the scenes stealth changes
this broke basically everything though
subterfuge double dipping
shrouded being weird with deathmark again
fleet pagoda
cursed
normal mist
so recently ive been trying to learn assa on beta but in the last 10m when i gar...
#assassination message are you using subterfuge?
balmy condor
God I love prepatch
beta bug even :)
sullen kelp
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1272738594079...
ya
balmy condor
surely fixed before early access right
spice spire
We’re doing it LIVE
normal mist
surely fixed before early access right
subterfuge talented ✅
spice spire
LOG OUT
normal mist
ya
afaik there's a bug going where if you're talented with subterfuge, stealth garrotes award more combo points / deal 50% more dmg than intended, but our beta boys know a bit better than me
sullen kelp
thanks so much for the feedback im ngl im outlaw 1 trick so if these buffs brought outlaw back im saved maybe 
normal mist
thanks so much for the feedback im ngl im outlaw 1 trick so if these buffs broug...
which buffs?
wait
wtf
fleet pagoda
I just hopped on beta to test it, shrouded isn't benefitting from DM or subterfuge and the damage seems uniform with/without too
normal mist
@balmy condor post is gone
nothing on wowhead, and the link from the wowheadnews sends you to DH changes
fleet pagoda
so maybe some other stuff got fixed too. surely 
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> post is gone
hm?
drifting cloud
its just merged together
ember mural
gotta keep scrolling down
balmy condor
cause it's split up in sections as the hotfixes rolled out
normal mist
thats so weird, i see rogue once, i aint scrolling more
got baited by my own stupidity
It's 3 am, been up since yesterday 8am, i do need sleep.
runic hinge
Better than baited by my stupidity
normal mist
runic heron
does evoker's oppressing roar extend the duration of iron wire's silence?
urban anvil
So besides the bug. Minuscule buffs to deathstalker?
balmy condor
does evoker's oppressing roar extend the duration of iron wire's silence?
It’s a silence so yeah it should
balmy condor
So besides the bug. Minuscule buffs to deathstalker?
Correct
chrome rivet
does anyone have any good weakauras for tracking all of our dots and the number of targets theyre on?
runic hinge
does anyone have any good weakauras for tracking all of our dots and the number ...
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balmy condor
Depends which rogue bug
nocturne quail
balmy condor
Okay we’ve narrowed it down from like 40 bugs to 15
sour willow
hello everyone! I made a pretty minimal H.U.D for Sin if anyone is interested 🙂 https://wago.io/3nZOeGAQ6
floral vale
For the AOE section on the wowhead guide, does that apply to any situation above 1 target? Like do I FOK in 2 target cleave?
balmy condor
Fok and CT on 3 or more
floral vale
ok ty, so in a pure 2 target cleave boss fight it's just mutilate, keep garrote and rupture up on both and then you get your splash dmg from caustic?
balmy condor
Yes
urban anvil
Is the fatal intend buff good?
shy dust
its a buff those are usually good
balmy condor
Is ot noticable
From 0.4% to maybe 0.9%
urban anvil
Suprised to see talent changes/moved so late in beta
maiden anchor
silly question here fellas, why is my garrote not silencing even when i'm using it from stealth
earnest remnant
do you have ironwire talented?
earnest remnant
it would yeh
maiden anchor
thanks bro
balmy condor
Suprised to see talent changes/moved so late in beta
They’re also very behind in general
silk bane
they havent changed anything talent related in like a month though no?
haughty flicker
silk bane
oh yeah i dont look at anything thats not rogue so idk
chrome rivet
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shadow badger
back from vacation
how we doin
wtf
@balmy condor what are they doing with our mf class
balmy condor
Idk
shadow badger
none of these changes make sense lol
hoary remnant
none of these changes make sense lol
Imo they make sense if they are tuning around not fixing bugs.
I highly suspect they can't fix the talents that are just Frankenstein monster, like the mark, coup etc. So they tune numbers around those bugs. That's just my opinion I could be and I hope I am wrong.
steel ridge
none of these changes make sense lol
they gave up and just number tune it higher
fathom sandal
Is the next raid looking melee friendly?
balmy condor
they gave up and just number tune it higher
I mean they did change trickster outlaw stuff
So it seems like they are fixing things?
Still no explanation for the buffs though
oak eagle
Is the next raid looking melee friendly?
this is WoW, of course not
balmy condor
Is the next raid looking melee friendly?
Just as melee friendly as the last couple I guess
fathom sandal
Good to hear
balmy condor
Oh you consider aberrus and amirdrassil melee friendly
steel ridge
I mean they did change trickster outlaw stuff
they also kinda upped the ppm on fatal intent or something iirc
balmy condor
Yes that’s in the pins
fathom sandal
I don’t think amirdrassil was too bad
steel ridge
oh sorry 🙂
fathom sandal
Abberus was a disaster
waxen oyster
That’s the stockholm syndrome talking
steel ridge
just got up and read the notes on my phone and that ppm change caught my eye
waxen oyster
”amirdrassil wasnt too bad”
balmy condor
Everyone has different definition of melee friendly at the end of the day
waxen oyster
I personally wouldnt call removing mechanics for melee with a handful of giant middle fingers friendly.
But ymmv
fathom sandal
Just pray you don’t get mechanics on kill pulls 
So is there a lot of forced downtime? Or are we chilling
willow rapids
The metaest
balmy condor
are we meta now? heard a lot of message about that in CN community around beta
Yeah it’s the classic case of we got a couple buffs and are doing good and people are going crazy
willow rapids
Rwf will be 20 rogues
oak eagle
Rwf will be 20 rogues
this guy gets it
balmy condor
Good mix of people dooming that nerfs are coming cause too strong and people overdosing on hopium that rogue is going to be good and every one of them is stupid for making opinions from beta numbers
true condor
yea i think only retails show real things
blazing plaza
i just want TWW to come
who doesn t
true condor
but at least its a good base now
balmy condor
yea i think only retails show real things
I mean retail is a meme too currently it’s prepatch
We just have very little to go off of until the season happens
true condor
fair
silk bane
But what’s fixed
go play trickster outlaw, enjoy new bugs, all of your dispatches are coup now have fun
silk bane
i think only fatal intents damage was added in
but its still worth less than 1% probably
keen mantle
Ye msges are like 2-3 hours ago
balmy condor
eleem/whispyr usually test sin bugs
I’m at the airport
silk bane
I’m at the airport
send pics.
balmy condor
No
silk bane
:c
balmy condor
Ye msges are like 2-3 hours ago
They seem to have hotfixed stuff 2 hours ago for outlaw possible they fixed stuff for other spec too
balmy condor
I mean the bigger thing for me is they’re going to have actually silly problems because they’re in a freeze and need to hotfix everything
And then once the expac is out and the freeze lifts they have to merge everything
That’s gonna be a nightmare
grand trail
Classic new expansion stuff
balmy condor
I imagine a lot of things they fix now will break later again
Cause of TheGreatMerge™️
silk bane
I mean thats "fine"
they have 3 weeks after release
to fix it again
as long as they know what to look for, and what broke
shy heron
poor guys pulling insane overtime now probably
That's just how it is sometimes. It's 1:30am and I'm in the office because users don't like it when I take down servers for maintenance during the workday 😦
quiet oar
to fix it again
This will definitely happen 
silk bane
That's just how it is sometimes. It's 1:30am and I'm in the office because users...
it reeally do be like that. sometimes youre on call and just 
quiet oar
That's just how it is sometimes. It's 1:30am and I'm in the office because users...
How dare they
balmy condor
I mean thats "fine"
Yeah but it’s still a fucking headache for everyone involved
Community wakes up on a reset and everything broke
shy heron
At least it's time for Europeans to be up and I get to read about cool rogue stuff
balmy condor
And then it’s back to documenting and hoping blizzard found the same stuff and then bug reports and despair
silk bane
And then it’s back to documenting and hoping blizzard found the same stuff and t...
I was thinking if we could just compile all the bugs in a seperate channel, give a role to any dev that wants to look in there and be up to date with current bugs.
grand trail
I wonder if they really read bug reports or it's really just button so you don't cry on forum 24/7
silk bane
kinda like what u guyus had with sephuz but just for bugs/concerns
balmy condor
Yeah great idea armin no issues with that at all
silk bane
okay but they dont have to talk. just look
anyways its getting late for me im starting to cook
marble hemlock
We have the simc bugtracker and devs tend to look into those once in a while
balmy condor
Heavy doubt
silk bane
oak eagle
i miss my goat JPC
marble hemlock
Heavy doubt
It's what I was told 
quiet oar
What if Rogue is bug itself
marble hemlock
"You guys got a bugtracker cause for us they look into these and fix them once in a while" and I was like "ah oke, ye, we have that, and theres bugs from 4y ago that still arent fixed"
uncut bramble
i miss my goat JPC
some leave, others come. You get too emotionally attached
marble hemlock
But as far as bug-info goes, devs could find that very quickly if they wanted to, so that's not the issue.
quiet oar
"You guys got a bugtracker cause for us they look into these and fix them once i...
Well ER bug was fixed
after 3 years
thats something
grand trail
Old good days when realz was asking about bugs here
quiet oar
Couldnt be me
rotund oak
no sir
balmy condor
I miss seliathan m+ streams
quiet oar
because i only play WoW for 10 years
marble hemlock
I miss seliathan m+ streams
same
rotund oak
I miss seliathan m+ streams
yes plz
balmy condor
Where is no pants stream
rotund oak
its just you getting old bro
balmy condor
steel ridge
Well ER bug was fixed <:Okay:1068635818345889923>
which one?
marble hemlock
buddy almost every stream was a nopants stream
quiet oar
maybe if m+ wasnt dogshit anymore
wdym they changed everything !?
balmy condor
buddy almost every stream was a nopants stream
Exactly
grand trail
Guys I have theory why they are not fixing our bugs on beta, they waiting for release so they don't need to fix it second time
quiet oar
What did you even do with your life
I was a kid i think
silk bane
But as far as bug-info goes, devs could find that very quickly if they wanted to...
some are very hard to find. Eleem found one last night from 10.2 rework
quiet oar
which one?
infinite SND
marble hemlock
i feel like winnie the pooh right now, i cant open this fucking jar of honey
quiet oar
thought something new
Nah but they fixed that bug after 3 years
grim jay
I was a kid i think
Same. But I also took 20 years as an exaggeration tho, so I guess 10-15 is fine aswell
marble hemlock
Same. But I also took 20 years as an exaggeration tho, so I guess 10-15 is fine ...
haha
rotund oak
i feel like winnie the pooh right now, i cant open this fucking jar of honey
hit it vertically to decompress and start lifting
quiet oar
Same. But I also took 20 years as an exaggeration tho, so I guess 10-15 is fine ...
THis years is 20 year anniversary
grim jay
exaggeration
You are ancient you dont count
balmy condor
hit it vertically to decompress and start lifting
Should’ve been me
rotund oak
Should’ve been me
🫶
grim jay
THis years is 20 year anniversary
Ik, but there probably are barely any people at 20 years on one class
rotund oak
Should’ve been me
bro doesnt walk out his porch man 
imagine begging ppl to buy them couple of beers
quiet oar
Ik, but there probably are barely any people at 20 years on one class
Idk
I play rogue since 2013
marble hemlock
Ik, but there probably are barely any people at 20 years on one class
well tbf i mained DK in wotlk
steel ridge
Nah but they fixed that bug after 3 years
ye new about that one and the shitstorm yellow bois created 😄
balmy condor
so its not 20y on rogue, only like 18
Noob
marble hemlock
i wanted to tank
rotund oak
imagine not having thunderfury in vanilla
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
i mean thunderfury sucked for rogue so
rotund oak
and qiraji ripper for stab/adrenaline
marble hemlock
imagine having it on rogue 
balmy condor
i wanted to tank
Oh you tanked alright, respect for you just tanked to rock bottom
Filthy bdk player
quiet oar
rotund oak
i mean thunderfury sucked for rogue so
u didnt even have it in vanilla u werent even playing
balmy condor
i played dualwield unholy tank
Even worse holy
marble hemlock
<:sus:787773784085757972> u didnt even have it in vanilla u werent even playing
huh?
balmy condor
Old people shit
rotund oak
but did u have tf before?
quiet oar
Seli played DK before Wotlk
rotund oak
show me the achievement
quiet oar
because he was a chad
rotund oak
u liar
grim jay
so its not 20y on rogue, only like 18
Gap is closing im only at 13 years tho
grim jay
Seli’s been playing me for 18 years
We all play you sometimes
balmy condor
those 2 played against
Swiftie
quiet oar
Seli’s been playing me for 18 years
Im sorry that it happened to you
balmy condor
Im sorry that it happened to you
It’s okay it was either that or go to Catholic school
I got fucked either way
silk bane
bro?
quiet oar
Well
quiet oar
rotund oak
<:WeirdDude:986706446458683402>
someone has to say to that mage that when a full poly lands he hardcasts
but good stuff
so old its not even relevant to pvp anymore
but good times
grim jay
u rly have no idea how much pvp ive done
The only worthy pvp was in mop and legion s1 to get the elite set
rotund oak
<:PogO:1160145144872435792>
are we talking about 2.4here?
rotund oak
rotund oak
like back then 2.4 was duelist
not even glad
if u played in cyclone the odds of getting glad b4 2580 were minimal
viscid harness
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willow rapids
Sap so old if he knows these things!
grim jay
u dont rly know how battlegroups were divided do u
I never really cared honestly
rotund oak
yup rly 
rotund oak
anyway,battlegroup was a cluster of servers that players could meet if they qued rated or regular pvp
the hardest of them all was cyclone,and the most populated
lost pulsar
Good morning, friends. I have a question regarding Envenom. Is there a cap on how often you can execute it? I mean, with Blindsided and that talent that makes Ambush generate an additional CP, I can execute finishers all the time. Is there any use in spamming 6CP Envenoms?
rotund oak
ye i was in the same guild with ps,he played in alakir,cyclone and couple more
grim jay
ye i was in the same guild with ps,he played in alakir,cyclone and couple more
We whooped his ass
But he was playing with a random
And he played sub while I played sin which was fairly stronger in 2v2
marble hemlock
if you didnt play on stormscale you were a nobody 
also, weapon was 2k, shoulders were 2.2
and at least in tbc, glad cutoff was ~2.3k for most battlegroups
marble hemlock
we got #1 in the most competitive german battlegroup with 2563 so
problem was that pushing for #1 was kind of senseless and most people just sat on their glad rating and didnt push 
grim jay
I kinda regret not pushing more there
grim jay
But we had some personal things going on
grim jay
I think 2s in s1 legion had pretty quick queues
grim jay
MoP had some longer queues
marble hemlock
mmr didnt decay for a longass time
so when i did RBG again in legion i still had my early cata RBG MMR
which was not great
grim jay
MoP Arena was rough when windwalker still had healing sphere
marble hemlock
i stopped playing arenas in wrath 
when things turned shit
and rbg was kinda dogshit too after a while, was only fun cuz we played with all of the og pvpers from my old server
and they were all goats
viscid harness
we got #1 in the most competitive german battlegroup with 2563 so
4d chesss move to get glad: play in nightfall battlegroup
if I recall we had the lowest rating req for glad in tbc
marble hemlock
we boosted a lot in the other battlegroups and the quality drop was crazy
viscid harness
Untill we got Molten Core russian pvp server added
marble hemlock
there were like 2 or 3 teams total that came from other battlegroups where they were #1, and actually managed to go toe to toe with the top players in cyclone/blutdurst
viscid harness
Wasnt Ravencrest also old big pvp server (alliance at least?)
or maybe it still is
rotund oak
and at least in tbc, glad cutoff was ~2.3k for most battlegroups
duelist 2.3 u are wrong here,ive got rivals on alts with 2.170+
but i did play on cyclone
which makes sense
ive got a rogue with 2.2k+ in 3s and only has rival on cyclone 😉
(RLP experiment)
jaunty lagoon
Wasnt Ravencrest also old big pvp server (alliance at least?)
still is
viscid harness
I remember getting 2k rating for shoulders during s3 tbc was a lot harder on Silvermoon (Dont know what battlegroup) than kor'gall (nightfall battlegroup).
rotund oak
I remember getting 2k rating for shoulders during s3 tbc was a lot harder on Sil...
silvermoon was cyclone https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Battlegroup_EN_Cyclone#Realm_List
i was on stormscale
both horde and alliance
jaunty lagoon
stormscale slowly went horde heavy, ravencrest went the other way
rotund oak
yup
stormscale alliance died out after grammerpolice stopped and hydra went horde,we all went to horde side and then created alts on alakir(hydramist for those that are aware)
grim jay
<a:hehehehe:922982350500007977>
That emote is kinda disturbing
marble hemlock
i know right?
grim jay
marble hemlock
anyway
s3 was lower than s2 so
cuz fewer players
but the skyhigh rating didnt happen until wotlk
anyway
my work here is done
runic hinge
marble hemlock
pseudo pelican
rotund oak
<a:hehehehe:922982350500007977>
ye so 2.3 was still duelist just glad compressed on the lowerside,what season was it
marble hemlock
thats s2
and you said you got rival with 2.2k which is just
not possible :<
like i said, glad cutoff for most battlegroups was around 2.3k
rotund oak
my rival was s3 or s4 iirc but ye
marble hemlock
ye, numbers went down, not up, cause fewer casuals played arena to be tracked
and 2.4k+ for duelist was never the case until they reworked the rating system
rotund oak
that was after s5-s6 ye
marble hemlock
certainly not in TBC or wrath
rotund oak
?
marble hemlock
but wrath had a lot of inflation on rating
marble hemlock
but that was mostly due to the population
iirc i still got glad with like 2.5k even though gaara and i stopped playing after 3 weeks
rotund oak
wrath had 2.8k teams iirc
marble hemlock
ye
but the cutoff was still kinda low because there werent that many teams playing beyond 2.3-2.4k
also wintrading was at its most popular back then
wcyd
anyway, eep time
marble hemlock
also fuck orc racial
rotund oak
they cursed our perception
mfkers didnt get stunned entire games
i was UD anyway,coz F locks and priests
hearty reef
Tonight i dreamt that the beta sin overtuning is a psyop to make people stick to rog
Could you belive that?
rotund oak
grim jay
Tonight i dreamt that the beta sin overtuning is a psyop to make people stick to...
Does that count as a wet dream
viscid harness
I found a mmo post with cutoffs for glad for vicious (?) season and it was 2650-2700 in most battlegroups
It’s on pc I am on mobile, i can post if in 10 if u want
quiet oar
Does that count as a wet dream
Depends if you are a sinner or not
marble hemlock
hearty reef
Does that count as a wet dream
Counts as a wet dream where you wake up right before the happy ending
quiet oar
grim jay
Counts as a wet dream where you wake up right before the happy ending
Thats actually pretty good
Well done
viscid harness
Do you backstabbers know if Whispyrs videos from 2 weeks ago are still relevant or are the recent changes to crazy?
Specially the 2/3 week old vids on m+ talents and raid talents?
grim jay
Specially the 2/3 week old vids on m+ talents and raid talents?
There are threads for those
hearty reef
You might wanna check this #assassination message
grim jay
In this channel
viscid harness
There are threads for those
Damn I’m stupid. Thanks
supple ermine
Tonight i dreamt that the beta sin overtuning is a psyop to make people stick to...
Dw pooks I'll stay with roque coz it's fun as fuck
(even tho I wanna rip my hair out coz I don't have enough buttons for all the keybinds)
supple ermine
Small woman hands
balmy condor
My bars look like Swiss cheese
supple ermine
Not enough reach in fingers
balmy condor
Oh I guess that would do it
hearty reef
My bars look like Swiss cheese
supple ermine
My bars look like Swiss cheese
Hoe
There's so many you need to use on ass
There's the green stab
There's the blue stab
There's the other green stab
Uhh there's aoe stab
Ong
There's red stab
balmy condor
Mut gar rup shiv env dm kb ct tea vanish snd trinket 1 trinket 2
Cloak evasion feint sprint step health pot health stone
Am I missing anything
Echoing reprimand/cold blood
And uhhhh
Vial
Kick
Kidney
hearty reef
Kidney
royal lantern
and sap is sap
balmy condor
That’s it here we go
royal lantern
not a rotational button or anything lol
balmy condor
That’s 27 binds
royal lantern
cab put it on ctrl+f8 if you want lol
lost pulsar
I’m not sure I got an answer so I’ll ask again. Is there a cap on how often you can execute it? I mean, with Blindsided and that talent that makes Ambush generate an additional CP, I can execute finishers all the time. Is there any use in spamming 6CP Envenoms?
hearty reef
That’s 27 binds
Were you trying to prove they're few? Idk how it went
balmy condor
1-6, shift 1-6 is 12
Then qerfgtvc is 8, shift is another 8
That’s 28 binds
Haven’t even touched control
balmy condor
I’m not sure I got an answer so I’ll ask again. Is there a cap on how often you ...
Not sure what you mean by “any use in spamming envenoms”, that’s your main source of damage
royal lantern
i gues they think that we want max cp all the time?
atleast thats how i understand it
supple ermine
Say it to my face is my hotbar insanely garbage
lost pulsar
Not sure what you mean by “any use in spamming envenoms”, that’s your main sourc...
I mean that since Envenom is basically a DoT, right? Then spamming it might reach a point where it doesn’t extend the DoT damage or buff duration.
royal lantern
? envenom is no dot
balmy condor
Say it to my face is my hotbar insanely garbage
No this is fine I wouldn’t bind throw dagger though
supple ermine
No this is fine I wouldn’t bind throw dagger though
Yeah idk
royal lantern
its instant dmg + a buff
balmy condor
I mean that since Envenom is basically a DoT, right? Then spamming it might reac...
Envenom does instant damage
Idk where you got the idea that it’s a dot
supple ermine
I was used to the pistol on outlaw
lost pulsar
Envenom does instant damage
Just bad at reading then. Thanks!
supple ermine
So I threw it on there
balmy condor
Makes sense
supple ermine
Coz I thought it'd be useful
balmy condor
Oh yeah I probably haven’t used throw dagger in at least 5 years
supple ermine
Oh yeah I probably haven’t used throw dagger in at least 5 years
Same I realized it was useless and forgot to replace it
nimble vector
Binding throw dagger is based because what if there’s that 1 in a million pull where you need it
runic prairie
more likely than not, you're gonna forget if that situation arises
balmy condor
Binding throw dagger is based because what if there’s that 1 in a million pull w...
Yeah I actually don’t take blackjack anymore so that I can talent into tricks and tricks->throw dagger
The most based rotation
Insanely useful
royal lantern
Oh yeah I probably haven’t used throw dagger in at least 5 years
there was a WQ in zar.Caverns this expansion where you need to use your ranged ability to pull enenys down
aka
click from spellbook 
radiant raven
click from spellbook <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
Shadowstep and stab. The real ranged answer. 
balmy condor
there was a WQ in zar.Caverns this expansion where you need to use your ranged a...
I think I remember that one
But I don’t remember using throw dagger
radiant raven
It's the one on top of the tower with the moths, right?
balmy condor
Yeah
royal lantern
ye
radiant raven
You could hit them with AoE right at the edge, but I just shadowstepped and AoE'd. It normally worked out. Sometimes gravity won.
balmy condor
Yeah I vaguely remember something similar to that
More than I remember fishing throw dagger out of my spellbook
radiant raven
I think I recall you could also dynamic flight spin into them and it killed them, which might be how the quest was meant to be done, but the cooldown was so high that, nah.
Way funnier to leap off, shadowstep, AoE like 7 down and kill them before I land.
grim jay
Oh yeah I probably haven’t used throw dagger in at least 5 years
Thats because you arent an M+ andy
Ive heard they use it to pull with tricks
grim jay
Dang
royal lantern
get that 400dmg threat instead of the 30% aoe dr
its m+ andy time 
true condor
throw dagger
grim jay
They should give us a talent like the crackling jade lightning stacking thing
balmy condor
get that 400dmg threat instead of the 30% aoe dr
its m+ andy time <:2ez:5879822...
“It’s not about aggro transfer it’s about staying alive on pull, tricks is a rogue defensive” - some fucking idiot probably
grim jay
So we get a big juicy throw every 30s
royal lantern
They should give us a talent like the crackling jade lightning stacking thing
BfA launch flashbacks
grim jay
Or Minute
royal lantern
grim jay
royal lantern
remember the trait?
supple ermine
Binding throw dagger is based because what if there’s that 1 in a million pull w...
What would I even replace it with
(I have no idea about ass rotations n talents
grim jay
What would I even replace it with
Whatever you wanna bind on that key
Keybinds are pretty personal
Id suggest reading a !guide tho
So you can find comfy binds for yourself depending on use-case and frequency
royal lantern
(i click shroud)
supple ermine
So you can find comfy binds for yourself depending on use-case and frequency
Idk I jus slapped on hekili n did my binds based on that
grim jay
I F3 shroud