assassination

[silk bane]

Would it be that bad? It’s 14 seconds of losing the auto attack damage + like 4 mark casts vs 5%
More cd damage

[balmy condor]

Any single target generator applies

[static glacier]

could deffo be a fix, and caustic forces mut in aoe regardless

[balmy condor]

The 4 marks are the ones I’m afraid of

Also technically not 5% more cd damage

[silk bane]

Probably a ripple effect of delaying darkest night too

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s either 100% + 45% + 5%of45%

Or 100% + 5%of100% + 45%

So it’s like 147.5 vs 150

[iron valve]

I'll just flip some coins 🙂

[balmy condor]

But even worse than that right cause you don’t singular focus all your damage

Like sanguine doesn’t work

So you’re already downlike 7% damage during CDs or something

[static glacier]

yall ran sims on funnel dmg with sing focus yet?

post buff

[silk bane]

It’s useless

Atleast for sub

[static glacier]

[balmy condor]

It’s like 3-4% in sustained aoe

[static glacier]

lame

actually

3-4% of aoe dps isnt bad

at all

[silk bane]

That’s like 2.5 times higher than sub lmfao

Simply because it doesn’t work with sectech

[balmy condor]

Yeah they fixed it working with caustic

And ct cranks

[silk bane]

For us it’s basically just rupture lmfao

[balmy condor]

Still doesn’t work with sanguine though

Also doesn’t work with clear the witnesses

Which is kinda wtf

[static glacier]

sang i understand, cotw is a bit ???

[silk bane]

Does it work with corrupt the blood?

[balmy condor]

I believe so but I haven’t been deep checking bugs in a month

[silk bane]

I kinda thought it wouldn’t work with any of the damage events from the tree itself

[static glacier]

would defeat the purpose

[balmy condor]

That would be insanely dumb

[static glacier]

lmao

[urban anvil]

Are you going to make season 1 guides on the tube?

[static glacier]

tree doesn't work with itself

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slate crown]

I like tube

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/tube-fish-gif-20583178

[silk bane]

Would it? Not a single damaging event from the tree works with a single thing from sub except db. Doesn’t work with shadowed finishers, dance, sod, sod crit chance, dd,vt,blades

[balmy condor]

Yes it would be

[urban anvil]

Nice before release or when do you expect to start releasing?

[balmy condor]

In my mind it’s not even a valid discussion

It should work

[slate crown]

My daily commute

[balmy condor]

No argument

[balmy condor]

Before ofc

Just need to do the written stuff first

[silk bane]

Would be nice I guess. I’m legit used to nothing working that I’m even considering this an option I think instead of bugs

[urban anvil]

Sorry meant before tww release or season 1

[balmy condor]

Shooting for during early access

[silk bane]

Also does fatal intent work with singular focus?

[slate crown]

Is there an estimate of how much sub is down as a result of them not interacting with your effects?

[urban anvil]

Cool

[silk bane]

About 12%

[balmy condor]

It should

[visual sequoia]

can i have ambush proc and mutilate on the same button somehow?

[balmy condor]

Yes

The game does it automatically for you

[visual sequoia]

oh nice

have to test 😄

[gray flower]

are empowered Garrotes from stealth still a thing in TWW? or did they remove snapshotting like that

[balmy condor]

That’s still a thing

Questionable if that’s a true snapshot though

The damage of the garrote still changes with mastery increases and haste increases and all that

It’s just 50% more than normal for that cast

But otherwise completely dynamic

[gray flower]

keep getting lua errors on my WA related to the Garrote from stealth thing. was hoping i could just delete that part of it lol

[balmy condor]

Lisonna has a standalone you can use

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gray flower]

thank you

[balmy condor]

Under her rogue collection

[gray flower]

annoying that rogue class hall is bugged

my preferred target dummy spot

[balmy condor]

I hate dummies in class hall

Single target is impossible cause you end up cleaving something all the time

[gray flower]

mm fair

i mostly use for UI troubleshooting

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

For testing stuff it’s aids

[brazen gyro]

Is sin as hard as people make it out to be in m+? I wanna play it as an alt (I main druid) but afraid I wont perform well numbers wise unless I give it a “mains” level of dedication

[royal lantern]

its one of the harder ones

but like always, wow players love to overexegerate stuff

its confusing until you realise that everything you do has a set in stone purpose and then you dont really think about stuff anymore

[static glacier]

if you can play feral you can play sin

there's a decent amount of similarity between spreading dots as sin and double rake spreading

[royal lantern]

^

[slate crown]

I still call that particular one a snapshot, if anything because that particular effect is what I capture in the aura and it functions like a snapshot (Just the 50% boost).

[balmy condor]

True

I mean it is technically a snapshot because that specific cast has that buff for its whole duration regardless of anything

[dense cloud]

I'm just coming to assa, which build is the best for m+?

[muted ridge]

anything with Caustic goes i'd say

[dense cloud]

fyi, idk tf that means

[balmy condor]

Oh boy

[dense cloud]

so bleed or hybrid?

last time i played assa was in bfa

lmfao

[balmy condor]

Play bleed

[dense cloud]

so hybrid. okay

[muted ridge]

sure

[balmy condor]

Hate u fr

[dense cloud]

lmao

I played KiR build, trust me I hate myself more

[balmy condor]

Bleed is most similar to bfa

[dense cloud]

good, thats why hybrid, i hated that shit in bfa

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

GERALD

[balmy condor]

Based though lowkey

[slate crown]

LISTEN TO THE MAN

[dense cloud]

im listening, i was just assuming he said bleed cuz im just coming back and he recommended an easy build

[balmy condor]

He’s gonna have to spread bleeds like a mfer regardless

[dense cloud]

bleed spread still depends on char model position right?

[balmy condor]

Hybrid does the same but there’s more emphasis on kingsbane

[balmy condor]

No

[dense cloud]

oh okay.

good then

[prisma iris]

bro said he played kir, every sin build is easier than that spec

[dense cloud]

I might be mixing it with that garbage sub shadow technique shit

[dense cloud]

good to hear

[hexed frost]

It's really funny that everyone hates BfA for being the shittiest expansion but assassination's core gameplay mechanics are from BfA

[royal lantern]

BfA was overall good

[hexed frost]

Scent, Exsanguate and Shrouded

[royal lantern]

the problem is mostly that the bad parts where really bad

but the good parts where really fucking good

[hexed frost]

Endless farming for proper traits

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee you

almost NOBODY that complains about that one ever did that

they just jumped on it as a reason to hate it lol

[hexed frost]

Crucible was a good fun raid though

[royal lantern]

like, the ammount of people that actually did endless island grinding is very very small lol

[slate crown]

I did a bunch of islands cause I liked doing islands

[spice spire]

Death

[royal lantern]

its more about the daily "im FORCED to grind islands all the time for AP!!!!!!1111!!!" guys

when like

no, that is not what 99,999% of players ever had to do lol

frking reddit/forum casuals that never enter a raid above LFR telling you how they where FoRcEd into islands, while im killing mythic Jaina and never did islands beyond the weekly stuff until all traits where unlocked and then ignored them lol

[balmy condor]

Exsang was from legion

[hexed frost]

Corrected

[balmy condor]

But ya most of assa is legion, bfa, and 10.2

[gray flower]

is there any reason to track amplifying poison?

like its all passive right? i dont need to play around it?

[balmy condor]

If you ask the sim yes if you ask a player no

[royal lantern]

no reason no

amp just exists

stacks and makes envenom stronger

[balmy condor]

There is a check for capped 20 stacks in sims to stop pooling but I don’t think it’s used these days

[gray flower]

im imagining a hypothetical where, like, i have thistle tea or trinket proc coming up and I want to hold envenom or something

[balmy condor]

Otherwise there’s nothing there

[gray flower]

but seems impossible to play around

[balmy condor]

Oh definitely not that

[gray flower]

got it. so its just about overcapping

[balmy condor]

Yeah but in tww I don’t think you ever run into a situation where you overcap

[gray flower]

seems kind of impractical to play around anyway yeah, to your point about sims vs player

[balmy condor]

In 10.2 with low gear it was possible you could end up pooling for 12-14 seconds

In which case you would cap

[gray flower]

bc energy regen was bad?

[balmy condor]

Not really

We just pooled from 0 to 80

Which is a long time to sit there

[gray flower]

got it

[balmy condor]

240 energy takes a bit

[gray flower]

coming back to the game after 2 years, having 300 energy is insane lol

[slate crown]

My first version of my envenom bar had Amp stacks on it that only showed up at ~17 stacks for exactly this reason. Then I removed it because it never mattered

[gray flower]

thanks for this btw @slate crown @balmy condor . fixed all my issues

[slate crown]

Glad it helped

[balmy condor]

Was a very niche fallback check for the most part yeah

[subtle tundra]

hey i like both poe and warframe

why does he attack me?

[balmy condor]

East European

[royal lantern]

only mentally ill people can enjoy poe and warframe

but the same is true for wow

[subtle tundra]

im just better

[balmy condor]

And so tall and handsome too

[shy pecan]

Nah, just wow players

[royal lantern]

the voices told me im ok :3

[shy pecan]

Sending you back to #1080572530554835072 prison

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[bronze pike]

Based beyond based

[dense cloud]

aight could be worse. kek

[last skiff]

how many people die

[haughty flicker]

everyone eventually

[dense cloud]

12

[last skiff]

what

expected more

[dense cloud]

but it was a low key with ungeared friends and a random 518 lock

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hexed frost]

Bruh I'm constantly doing 2M+ on trash pulls in pre-patch but losing out to pala, warrs and shamans on boss fights.

Would momentarily do 850K on boss pull with pots and dm+kb but would lose eventually to these classes

Running hybrid build btw

[balmy condor]

Yeah so

Keyword is prepatch

[hexed frost]

[rotund oak]

imagine doing keys on prepatch

[hexed frost]

I want to feel dopamine rush

[rotund oak]

drink some coffee

[subtle tundra]

do hard drugs

or coffee idk

[grim jay]

or both

[rotund oak]

wild

bruh thats chemistry

[subtle tundra]

only person stopping you, is yourself

[grim jay]

triggering some outlaws is valid aswell

[hexed frost]

I work from home for 3 days in a week and get bored during build downtimes or when running tests on local

Maybe I should level up a shammy or play my warrior for a bit

[rotund oak]

just play a mage bro

[spice surge]

Wait until next reset

[haughty flicker]

this is how you effectively spend your time

instead of keys

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

thats more like copium rush

[grim jay]

hopefully you arent after the rogue set

its awful

[hexed frost]

Oh yeah, I need to complete mythic dazaralor leather set. Maybe start farming it

[spice surge]

Theres no copium, the beta tuning gets pushed to live, which is +14% aura buff to assa

So if he wants to do more damage in prepatch keys thats happening

[rotund oak]

[hexed frost]

[haughty flicker]

just farming random stuff while watching streams

ez chilling

that rogue set is ass though

[hexed frost]

Tbh except the dazaralor set, all sets are trash

[rotund oak]

that reminds me a funny a different story of my cousin saying she was going for a bigmac over on macdonalds with her friends

she got a bigmac alright

[grim jay]

nah

legion s1 pvp elite

[haughty flicker]

there are some pvp sets that are good enough they make me wish i pvped

[grim jay]

and that one set with the skullface mask

[haughty flicker]

definitely going to have to hope i can get carried in solo rbgs for next seasons set

[grim jay]

oh and bloodfang is arguably good, just a little outdated and everyone has it

also like the magetower recolor of the tomb armor

[naive crane]

T3 still bis

[rotund oak]

we got 2 ppl lurking in this chat

that made tmog a science

rly strong kungfu

[normal mist]

I'd like to meet them

[rotund oak]

lift up a mirror u will see one

[normal mist]

[rotund oak]

@sharp viper the other half of the equation

[normal mist]

My pink brother

[plucky sparrow]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[lost pulsar]

Is there some talent breakdown that goes over exactly what every talent does and what value it has?

[normal mist]

You can check the guides and read the talents

other than that, for TWW, you also can check the pins for what Whispyr wrote

[lost pulsar]

Where are the guides? I can’t find them.

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice surge]

Or in #assassination-faq or the pins

[sharp viper]

[short fox]

has anyone tips for me as assa rogue i am doing opener from wowhead and i get max 600k or something with 513

[normal mist]

Seems like a good number

If you're doing stuff correctly, thats what you're supposed to be doing

[strange python]

IC spread SBS?

or just send one stack to the target

[spice surge]

It spreads sbs if you have the charges for it

[gleaming oar]

Is assa looking insane for TWW? Looked at petkos video where he ranks Assa as top tier in m+. Sounds weird from what ive heard. Decided for another class as main since i dont like sub and outloaw. But i have a huge fomo on assa after i saw that 😛

[shy pecan]

Tier lists…

[gleaming oar]

yeah that's why im here asking, since u never can trust them

[silk bane]

hi mr. 🔮 is assa looking insane for tww?

mr. 🔮 : fuck if I know dude i dont work for blizzard, and theyre the one thatll be tuning specs for the next 5-6 weeks

[covert jewel]

legit source

[balmy condor]

I trust 🔮 with my taxes

[storm forum]

I trust 🔮 with my gut health

[static glacier]

we were trash tier or w/e before the buffs

we can easily go back there with some nerfs

inherent design and utility-wise sin is not bad nor amazing for keys, we're no aug or mage by design

but if we do enough dmg we will be meta, like any other dps

[storm forum]

We have a history of going back there at the start of every expansion.

We are no longer allowed to be excited about possibly being meta.

[static glacier]

if you want to 100% play something meta ur best bet is levelling rogue + mage + warlock

[storm forum]

Blizzard has made it clear that anything except explicit dooming will be met with the nerf bat.

[static glacier]

and then pick based on w/e seems to be performing well but not 1st place dps

since w/e is top gets nerfed and the real best specs for a tier will start out in top 6ish while stuff above it is nerfed

once rwf starts you're safe from tuning until it finishes

https://tenor.com/view/epic-tax-guy-verohallinto-crystal-ball-kristallipallo-future-gif-20470121

that'll be £20 for the crystal ball reading

[thin kernel]

We gonna be the DHs of tww, peaked too soon.

[spice surge]

Tbf assa was like that for 2/3 patches in DF already

So nothing new

[royal lantern]

[merry thistle]

Does anyone have good guide for assa rouge so I can re learn it 😄

[royal lantern]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

👋

[merry thistle]

ty 😄

[versed mica]

okay lay it on me

how much do I have to play around coin flip stuff in fatebound?

[balmy condor]

pins

thread

fatebound info

[junior aurora]

and needles

[versed mica]

I read in there, but it seemed unclear

is it just the coldblood bit?

[versed mica]

so do we have to track coin flips with WAs then? lmao

and how much of a dps loss is it to ignore it, the .5% number mentioned?

[balmy condor]

kinda not really

like the vanish thing lines up pretty naturally most of the time

[versed mica]

well that's good lmao

[balmy condor]

most of the time you're not even getting to 5 before vanishing

you just refresh garrote

but there are some niche situations where you're ending up with 5 and haven't vanished yet

and that's where that triggers

but it's basically just a solution to an edge case

otherwise you just vanish normally

[versed mica]

Gotcha

[balmy condor]

don't really need to track the coins otherwise

you can track the capstone I guess for m+ and then open ravenholdt and bitch about how shit it feels to drop the capstone cause your tank pulled slow

and then get a tank that chains and then open ravenholdt and bitch about how shit it feels to chain because of stealths

and either way I'd laugh at you

[versed mica]

my m+ tank buddy is based so it's fine

[junior aurora]

based on what

[balmy condor]

but yeh idk

I'm probably tracking coins to start and I'll see how I feel about it

but big chance I just stop tracking coins

[versed mica]

Basically I don't want to think about coin flips, I don't want to track them, I just wanna yolo it

[junior aurora]

im gonna flip a coin irl every time i finish

[versed mica]

Or else I don't wanna play fb lmao

[balmy condor]

yeah if that's make or break for you

I'd cautiously say you're in the clear

[versed mica]

hell yeah

I'm still iffy on deathstalker on whether or not I wanna play that

In raid it will be yolo but in M+ I'll have to target swap a bit more

but meh, you target swap a lot as sin anyway

[lime crypt]

i feel like both are shit

nothing fancy cool looking

[frank jetty]

Will assa be hugely affected by the patch on Tuesday/Wednesday?

[royal lantern]

what patch?

[frank jetty]

next reset they load the current beta patch on live

[balmy condor]

it's getting a buff but who gives a shit

quick lil damage buff for a week and a half of an already insanely imbalanced patch at the very end of an expac

[royal lantern]

ill do more dmg for our last fyrakk sell run i gues

[frank jetty]

kinda true 😄

[last skiff]

why people on the beta

love mist so much

[strange python]

Quick dungeon

• people know the dungeon

So more time to focus on spec

[balmy condor]

mists is also a fan favorite from shadowlands

[balmy condor]

holy you got skill issued

[last skiff]

know very well

[strange python]

Skill issue

[last skiff]

Im not testa

[balmy condor]

well

testa needs to watch a video on mists from 3 years ago

[strange python]

They did change mists tho

And its aids for melee

[cerulean walrus]

He needs a testa my nuts

[balmy condor]

not enough to do that

[strange python]

True

[balmy condor]

I personally can't wait for the complaints from pugs

about tanks not realizing they need to kick patty cake

on second boss

that's gonna be hilarious

[last skiff]

he leave the dungeon cause I ask him if eh want to get the %dienotless

[cerulean walrus]

Can we play patty cake together? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

nein

[cerulean walrus]

[strange python]

He’s busy doing gardening

[balmy condor]

I'm busy finishing a guide that should've been done on wednesday

[cerulean walrus]

I hope your trowel gets stuck

Bozo

[strange python]

All that while being a garden slave

God bless you brother

[lime crypt]

people still buy those?

[royal lantern]

? ofc ?

[strange python]

Well yeah people still buy mounts

[lime crypt]

how much do they pay do you know?

[strange python]

If anything that week might just be the one where most sales happen

[strange python]

I think it’s about 4m rn?

[lime crypt]

i heard there exist people that are selling m+ boosts and then sell gold to get money for rent

thats crazy

[royal lantern]

ye, boosting communitys do 4m

[lime crypt]

wtf XD

[royal lantern]

my guild does 2m to get somebody fast for gbank filling

[grand trail]

It's 4 but last week can be juicer

[strange python]

Yo you need customers? I might know some

[cerulean walrus]

Insider trading

[strange python]

Market manipulation

[royal lantern]

im not the RL that does that stuff + im sure the 2 slots are filled

[spice surge]

It might seem excessive, but you have to realize that its 19/18 people youre buying the boost from, they can only do 1 each week (per character atleast), and they need to be decently good at the game to do it.

[cerulean walrus]

I’m sure your two slots are filled as well

[strange python]

They surely are filled for 2m

[cerulean walrus]

Won’t stop me

[spice surge]

I'd assume the mount drops stop being guaranteed after tww is released too

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

[earnest remnant]

MORTS GLOBAL

[strange python]

Goes to 1% drop chance pretty sure

[cerulean walrus]

Yep

[balmy condor]

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

and also

the mount is ALSO a druid flight form + a unique hunter spirit beast tame

which makes it more desirable for 2 of the most played classes in the game

[weak isle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lime crypt]

its crazy that people are casually dropping 200€ equivalent mony to get a stupid mount they dont deserve anyways

[strange python]

Yeah this expansions endboss mount was pretty neat ngl

[royal lantern]

eh

i mean

free pots + feasts for me

their wasted gold/money

not my problem lol

[strange python]

You just farm it in a few weeks, not like you need to do much to „deserve“ it

[lime crypt]

4 mil gold farm in a few weeks?

[strange python]

No

You can still get the mount after this expansion

It’s not like a glad mount

[royal lantern]

ye but no 100% drop anymore

[lime crypt]

ye with 1%

[strange python]

There’s not a lot of prestige tied to it

Ye what I’m saying is

[royal lantern]

and you wont get it next expansion

[strange python]

He was talking about „deserved“

[royal lantern]

will need minimum until midnight

[strange python]

It’s not like glad mounts yk

In that sense

[royal lantern]

tbh, i never cared about the "prestige" of stuff

i use them if i like them

[lime crypt]

they prolly dont use it

[strange python]

Yeah same but if there was prestige I don’t think raid mounts are great for prestige

[lime crypt]

its just a number in their total mount collection ig

[royal lantern]

first guy in the guild that got the nzoth mount during BfA and i never touched that ugly pos

[strange python]

If there was a mount tied to ce/Hof achievement that’s different

[royal lantern]

the mounts are "prestige" for the expansion itself and halfway into the next one

[strange python]

If you sit on it early into the patch it’s cool tho

[royal lantern]

after that? farm groups can do it by outleveling stuff

but again, who cares

i use it if it looks cool lol

[strange python]

Nobody does ye

Well

[royal lantern]

the random drop fyrakk mount is 20000% cooler then the AotC fyrakk mount

[haughty flicker]

nobody uses them, they sit afk in current xpac main hub on them

[royal lantern]

and the random drop one is possible to get in lfr

[strange python]

I did care when I was new and I saw people on the „big mythic mount“ ngl

Like real new

[haughty flicker]

although the birb is pretty cool

[royal lantern]

i dont like that it streetches your modle

check it out

its really noticable if you saw it once

you are like, 15% wider on it

[haughty flicker]

sometimes your modle needs a good stretch

[strange python]

I don’t like that you sit uphill

That’s kinda weird

[royal lantern]

the #1 perk of the mount?

when you get it early

mount up next to your druid and ask "wow, this is so cool, why are you not using it as flight form?????????????"

[strange python]

Honestly #1 perk was being a Druid that patch ngl

Felt good

[spice surge]

The real juice is getting the first mount on the kill so you can sell it to your mount collector richboy in your guild

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[strange python]

Taxing the rich

[spice surge]

We have a dude in my guild thats involved with a boosting community, that guy has gold

Skimming 4M or so of the top doesnt matter much

[royal lantern]

like, we dont do "real" boosting tbh

Its just "do a couple runs at the very end of a tier too fill up the gbank" so we have free feasts+cauldrons for the entire next tier

[strange python]

I just do some start of patch boosting in communities because it’s worth it at that point, mostly stop after a few weeks as it drops significantly

Also heroic boosting is free real estate so snagging free money early in the tier is goodge

right now without master assassin whats the rule to use vanish?

in m+ for the silence?

[shy dust]

hm

for the garrote damage buffs

just maybe

[short fox]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[drifting cedar]

we're using cold blood at the end of our opener?

[lime crypt]

STEAL IT ALL!!!

do some rogue-ing

😔

[dark crag]

War-bank can't fit in more gold

[haughty flicker]

Send it to me I’ll hold it for you

[unreal heath]

did energy regen get changed?

jus hopped on after min

[balmy condor]

slightly buffed yes

[ebon quest]

is there a pinned message somewhere that explains why we are using cold blood?

i see a bunch of people talking about when to use it, but it doesn't seem like a talent thats used in any of the guide builds

[normal mist]

It's used in tww

[spice surge]

Fatebound has a hero talent that interacts with it

Thats why

[ebon quest]

ohhhh okay, thank you

[storm forum]

oh damn, we get ST build variety too next patch?

i picked the wrong season to not play rogue

[gilded oasis]

every season is the wrong season to not play rogue

[slate crown]

Would any of you make a decision off of anything related to bone spike ? Got a request on Wago to add something for it with 0 context as to why and want to make sure I'm not missing something

I guess knowing your stacks tells you if you're going to get CP back after casting rupture

[spice surge]

I dont think theres much merit to tracking it

[gilded oasis]

I made myself one to show the cd so like maybe in packs i can rupture a target without it when I know a charge is avail and it also shows current stacks out. but idk if I like it yet ive only played with it like 20 mins

[slate crown]

I had considered doing this but it's a lot of overhead cause you can't directly track its cooldown (unless they changed something) without setting up timers yourself

And because it seemed like there wasn't really a decision point to it to me, didn't put in the effort

[gilded oasis]

yeah or maybe available charges vs charges out there? just for like you said, knowing how many cp are coming or knowing if its worth to rupture someone else to get it out or not (IDK if its even worth it for that but I assume if they live some amount of time it is worth?)

[balmy condor]

there's no reason to track any of that

[glass hemlock]

Anyone know how many bullion we can get total without the quests?

16?

[slate crown]

Yeah I had removed everything about it because it just doesn't seem to inform anything at all

[balmy condor]

yep

I mean I'll be honest

[spice lagoon]

Ya’ll liking the new buffs coming to sin?

[balmy condor]

I haven't checked if the ttd check on rupture needs to update from the bone spike change

that didn't occur to me

[strange python]

Nah I wish they didn’t buff

[slate crown]

Except I added a cooldown tracker for shadowlands bonespike for anyone who goes bcak to SL and is that covenant

[balmy condor]

I guess theoretically there might be something there

but I don't think that's trackable

[slate crown]

for some reason

[gilded oasis]

hi it me

[balmy condor]

that would just be sim logic

like in order to track that you would need to code up an estimator for time till death

and then pump all the sim logic behind it

[gilded oasis]

i love to pump

put me in

[slate crown]

I have done this before. I deleted it ages ago but I used to have a calculator for incoming dps over the last X seconds (could adjust) to every enemy on the field, so that you could quickly target swap and have accurate data. That was back in legion

[balmy condor]

and that's just for the min-max if its even a gain in the first place which I'm not even sure

[spice surge]

Sir ima ask you kindly to step out of the kitchen

[slate crown]

I could easily take that and push its data around (I am not going to do this)

[balmy condor]

babe wake up it's time to do ttd checks

[slate crown]

[spice surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1272262815318544445/FD175028-077D-4851-8BEB-FA0080E7F6CB.jpg?ex=66ba5694&is=66b90514&hm=e476a27096018b01daffb0668d8a2a8a6ffb7b69cba5d32d764842a77f457f2b&

[balmy condor]

I wonder what that m guy thinks about it

I already forgor his name

maiden

[slate crown]

Oh yeah you should get his opinion

[gilded oasis]

mapap

[slate crown]

I'm real interested

[balmy condor]

he could look over my shoulder and tell me that the APL is shit

[gilded oasis]

nah he cant find your apl man

[balmy condor]

no that's mapko

he's fine

[gilded oasis]

oh did I miss more apl talk

[balmy condor]

some guy showed up like 12-13 hours ago

and said that the APL is coded poorly and any compsci grad could do it better

and then didn't elaborate

and was a dipshit

[gilded oasis]

huge

[spice lagoon]

Anyone got a link for Tuesday buff and nerfs of classes for Tuesday ?

[spice surge]

"Hey your apl is shit"

• Ok whats wrong with it
  "Its shit code"
• Ok then you help
  "Nah im not a saint"
• 

[drifting cloud]

sorry I wont make alts anymore

[balmy condor]

its on wowhead somewhere but it doesn't matter

[spice lagoon]

Why’s that?

[balmy condor]

it's beta server tuning being forced onto level 70 characters

9 days before an expac release

I mean

do we really give a shit

[spice lagoon]

Right

[balmy condor]

prepatch is already the most imbalanced patch in an expansion

[gilded oasis]

i beat prepatch i dont even have to login

[balmy condor]

and it's probably getting worse on tuesday

[spice lagoon]

I’m glad rogues are getting love lol

[balmy condor]

they aren't though

that's the thing

[spice lagoon]

It don’t matter tho

[balmy condor]

like no spec is "getting love"

all of the changes coming on tuesday have been the result of the last 1-2 months of tuning on beta servers

it's not related to prepatch at all

they're just moving it over

[spice lagoon]

So basically before we can get an enjoyment of many classes we half to wait almost 2 months?

[balmy condor]

what

[spice lagoon]

So they balance everything out

[balmy condor]

they've been balancing

beta has gotten weekly balance changed since end of june

tuesdays patch is simply a copy paste of that data

onto live servers

once the servers come up tuesday, you're essentially playing a "balanced" version of the game as it should be at the start of season 1

except you're doing it with level 70 charactesr

and no hero talents

[silk robin]

any good builds for m+ beta? hitting up the rogue again after a min

[balmy condor]

pins/threads

[silk robin]

ty

[split grail]

Someone is telling me sin is going to "be fire" in tww but from what I've heard is only gonna be okay. Which is true?

[balmy condor]

mirror mirror on the wall, what is the fairest spec of them all

[royal lantern]

anyone that tells you what is "fire" based on frking beta tuning is not a smart Person

[tall jay]

It’s
Gonna be whatever you want to to be 🙂

[balmy condor]

the mirror didn't answer

I must ponder my orb

🔮

OH CRYSTAL BALL SPEAK TO ME

[earnest remnant]

ayo is me

[balmy condor]

HOW GOOD WILL ASSA BE IN SIX WEEKS TIME

[split grail]

I mean I'll be playing sin either way I just hadn't heard of any changes recently to make sin op

[tall jay]

It’s gonna be better than some bit weaker than other sir whispyr

[balmy condor]

crystal ball broken

[tall jay]

lol

[balmy condor]

someone wake up doctor who I need a time machine

[spice surge]

it got gooder because number went up, number might go down and it might be weaker

[tall jay]

Shouldn’t you be on a plane sir

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

is it already 11:45 on tuesday

[tall jay]

In my mind it is

🙂

[balmy condor]

maybe time travel is real god damn

[royal lantern]

yo, its me from the future

assa was strong for 2weeks, and them they nerf it and people realise that sub is a top5 dps spec but nobody played it cus sub is garbage to play

[runic hinge]

time is fake a days are a illsusion created by big calendar

[balmy condor]

okie dokie doomer

[spice surge]

#1271971289396936735 message
Do you not like this?

[royal lantern]

what

[spice surge]

[royal lantern]

the

fuck

did i just click

???????????

thats some acient egypt shit

[balmy condor]

wait that doesn't even seem that bad

[earnest remnant]

minor annoyances

[spice surge]

Im inclined to agree that BP on singletarget is cursed though

But hey atleast we dont backstab or rupture in dance anymore

[royal lantern]

so dance is really just

strike>evis>strike>secret tech->repeat with strike evisc now huh?

[narrow adder]

Is sin going to be a safer assumption for m+ as well as raid?

[narrow adder]

I think you tea as well

[slate crown]

sectec could be first finisher depending

[balmy condor]

just as safe as any other spec in the game

[slate crown]

you coup if you have 4 stacks at start, then sectec, or sectec first if don't have 4 stacks

[runic hinge]

hows this? I just play coin assa and track coin stacks and never think about sub

Disregard my post about farming the deathstalker title

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/toystory-buzz-buzzlightyear-academy-training-gif-7910531

[floral vale]

When dealing with aoe packs in higher keys in beta, after we’ve applied all of our bleeds etc in the opener, do we generally go over and reapply garrotes to all of the mobs as it falls off, dealing with garrotes cooldown etc?

[balmy condor]

no

[floral vale]

oh ok but rupture ya?

[balmy condor]

rupture for energy and scent of blood yes

[floral vale]

ty

[balmy condor]

you want to maintain garrote on your main target ofc

if that wasn't obvious

[floral vale]

trying to internalize all of these things, been reading the guide over and over and the beta info

a lot to take in

[floral vale]

that makes sense

[balmy condor]

a lot of assassination decision making in mythic+ just comes down to experience

you can kinda read all the theory for days but you really just gotta get into uncomfortable situations and be forced into making the decisions for it to fit

[floral vale]

Yeah ain’t that the truth

I’m so used to sub and outlaw, it feels very cognitively taxing trying to do sin keys but i’m enjoying it

i like mentally stutter when trying to make a decision rather than just reacting on instinct

[balmy condor]

and then traditionally you have to have no self-confidence, show up here after a key, and ping me with some ultra niche specific situation that happened in that key expecting me to just pull the next couple optimal gcds out of my ass like I'm sort of stockfish chess bot for hypothetical encounters that I wasn't a part of

[floral vale]

ofc

[balmy condor]

and then when I tell you the thing I would've done in this one in a thousand key run

[floral vale]

we need stockfish analyzer for vods

[balmy condor]

you have to go "hm... okay I guess" and be dismissive about it

that way I can feel like I just wasted my time

[haughty flicker]

[floral vale]

i thought of building an addon that tries to compare your actions on a target dummy vs the apl, and then gives you a % score after like 1 minute how close you are to the apl on a dummy

[balmy condor]

that sounds horrendous

[floral vale]

hah

just to build muscle memory

[balmy condor]

it's like if you took an awful rotation helper

but then tacked on all the toxicity of parse culture

what an unholy amalgamation of the worst parts of society

[shy pecan]

[floral vale]

well then

i’ll see myself out

[shy pecan]

How would that even work with Seal Fate and Blindside procs?

[balmy condor]

incredibly poorly

[floral vale]

Yeah idk I wasnt thinking of it as needing to be perfect I was more thinking of ways I could make building muscle memory quicker

[runic hinge]

this is too perfect

[indigo leaf]

smol question does zoldyck recipe interact with sudden demise the way one would expect? i.e. when a mob falls below 35% the increased bleed damage from zoldyck is taken into account for when sudden demise would proc? or is zoldyck just a modifier that applies to the bleeds each time they tick and as such doesn't interact with sudden demise

[balmy condor]

yes it interacts

[indigo leaf]

[errant trail]

my daily experience as a sin player

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1226590776008511498.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[floral vale]

When playing deathstalker, and with Darkest Night active, do you want to rush to get to max cp to consume it? I guess I'm mostly wondering if you land on an anima charged combo point on your way to max, do you ignore that so you can use your super envenom? And do you use energy as quickly as you can to get to seven to use it to start the cycle anew?

[junior aurora]

the mobs were standing in sanguine do i apply wound poison mid combat

[runic hinge]

reported

[junior aurora]

just answer the question bird boy

[runic hinge]

[gilded oasis]

no you put on crippling and FOK your heart out obviously

[runic hinge]

spend all CP on kidney on the lowest health mob

vanish for cheap shot

[junior aurora]

vanish was on cd bc i had to restealth (shitty tank wouldnt stop between pulls)

[runic hinge]

thoughts on best cat form?

[junior aurora]

deeny with the ears on

in wow its fire cat

[runic hinge]

It cannot be

the face is uggo

[hasty gate]

sometime tanks wont let you need to have i stealth on good keybind so you can get it instant

[junior aurora]

has anyone been far even as decided to go want do look more like

[runic hinge]

i actually had the worst kind of tank in an NO the other day, the 1 mob with 4% health into next pack kinda dude

[minor finch]

I wonder who Blizz will gut this week?

[runic hinge]

I'd guess not that many nerfs until heroic week

[hasty gate]

hopefully arcane mage again

[junior aurora]

mages live rent free

[hasty gate]

mages do but we all know priest is there fav spec

[runic hinge]

lmfao yeah surely the 10th spriest rework will be the one

[runic hinge]

idk i like this one

maybe i should tag shien and get muted but make him pick

[haughty flicker]

I love the dreamsaber forms

Actually look so nice

[runic hinge]

I think i only have 1 of those

[haughty flicker]

druid forms have actually gotten so good its made me consider druid

but then i remember i'd be a druid and come back to my senses

[runic hinge]

I miss playing feral but i love cloak and evasion too much to go back i think

[ionic ermine]

What embellishments are people using for keys on beta?

[full summit]

ok so im using the build i got from Fuu's spread sheet but i kinda wanna test the talents here on Archons website

what do i do chat 😭

[cold remnant]

Where do I begin 😦
Overwhelmed beginner

[slate crown]

!guide if you want to read the guides that's a good place to start, I'd start with wowhead.

The author of the wowhead guides also has a youtube channel with the same/similar info if you prefer video format

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

Use the builds on wowhead

[slate crown]

BSL probably

[full summit]

guh

which one tho

like

theres 3 😭

[runic hinge]

I've been playing the hybrid because it'll probably be bis at 80

[cold remnant]

Thanks!

[full summit]

hmm

ok

[full summit]

yeah i jsut switched to it

[runic hinge]

word

[junior aurora]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[glacial lantern]

How significant is wounds giving 8 instead of 7?

I mean, i'm not gonna complain about it, the less downtime for me, the better

[vivid elbow]

should be somewhat noticeable in cleave, irrelevant in ST/5+ i think

[rotund oak]

[runic hinge]

It’s like 3 Envenoms per minute I think

Don’t quote me on that cause I’m stupid

[rotund oak]

yup something like that

[spark rain]

Chat dont you agree that melee tweaking is part of the rotation

[rotund oak]

i think whispyr said something about it but cant recall

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Said it was weird change cause it doesn’t change much except for envenom uptime from like 95 to 98 lol

[fleet pagoda]

is there anyway to differentiate the silence and damage reduction aspects of iron wire for plater?

as in to specifically track the former without bamboozling myself with the latter

[slate crown]

I thought the two have different debuffs, durations, and icons

The silence being a garrote icon and the DR being the iron wire icon

[fleet pagoda]

oh yeah you're right, the silence looks like garrote, i gotcha

thanks homie

[slate crown]

🫡

[rotund oak]

Mr whispyr sir @balmy condor can we validate wounds change with what tony said?^^

[slate crown]

It is correct

To clarify I don’t recall the exact number but it doesn’t matter point is the VW buff is not a major change, just a slight damage increase. We already had enough energy for envenom uptimes. This just adds a few more casts over a fight.

[silk bane]

+2 APM gang stonks

[glacial lantern]

2 more is better than 2 less

[silk bane]

depends on who you ask

[rotund oak]

that must hide a deeper thruth

[limber lion]

The VW change is stupid, I'll say it

Already drowning in energy during cds and all the "pooling mechanics" that Sang and VV want to introduce kinda get dicked on by giga energy return

Like idk why they can't figure out a good number for it. From 5 to 8 to 6 to 7 and now 8. Like come on lol

Me and Whispyr would both prefer tuning the number lower, not higher.

[runic hinge]

I think they think maybe the spec needs to be more interactive? Idk if that’s the right word but people don’t generally like pooling and not pushing buttons. I think they tune VW up so they can get the zoomers in on the spec

Maybe that’s just my imagination

[silver crystal]

could anyone help me clarify why we spend at 40% energy but still pick up sanguine blade? Im reading the pins but im feeling dumb

[silver crystal]

my head just cant wrap around how are we still getting benefit from sanguine blades if were below 50% energy

is regen so high that it still procs sanguine blades?

[silk bane]

trying to stay around 40% means that sometimes u casually peak above 50 and it works. the the other times is when youre in deathmark and get so much regen that its proccing regardless

and as the post says, you take it because not much else to take instead ofit

[silver crystal]

ahh okay thank you for explaining it to me

[royal lantern]

i honestly think its because most players dont like the "run dry" part

(dont tell me now if its good or bad, its not my opinion on the matter, i just think that this is the thought behind it)

[rare jackal]

sin could be so good if they shuffled around some of hte damage

less envenom, more into bleeds

sanguine

etc

[royal lantern]

like, it is a fact that most people prefer fast gameplay and hate managing resources

and energy is 1 of the topics that you sometimes read on the "lower skilled" side as a negative for assa gameplay

so i can atleast understand where they are comming from with the changes in energy i gues...?

[grim jay]

We know you like more energy anyways, dw

[grim jay]

And what does that offer you

Except maybe a different details breakdown and balancing issues

[rare jackal]

it would make multi dotting worth it and maybe not create such convoluted pooling rules

[grim jay]

But it already is worth it up until a certain point

[rare jackal]

doestn feel right that for a dot spec 90% of our damage coming from envenom and auto attacks

but thats just me

[grim jay]

Envenom is a poison

And its a bleed and poison spec

[rare jackal]

[grim jay]

Its not copium, its literally the definition, can even Google it

And Blizzard has a horrible track record with multidotting spec balance

Kinda not worth hoping for that just for rupturing 1-2 more times

[kindred breach]

• isnt garrotte our 1st damage dealer in M+?

Numbers looked insane on it

[hoary remnant]

That ain't true in aoe

Garrote is insane rn

[rare jackal]

it might be different in m+

talking about ST and raid

[hoary remnant]

Which is also fine. Spec is maintaining dots and buffs and spamming during cds

[kindred breach]

You would have enjoyed first couple of weeks of DF S3 lmao

[hoary remnant]

Sin was op

[runic hinge]

Kingsbane is a dot

[rare jackal]

i did i played season 3

although s3 sin suffered the most from this

it was almost never worth it to go out of your way to multi dot with rupture instead of aoeing with envenom in raid

[grim jay]

Because its not real aoe

[runic hinge]

No adds lived 24 seconds in raid

[grim jay]

And you dont even have aoe talents to spread them fast there, because they die too quick

[runic hinge]

If they did it would be worth it

Could be*

I shouldn’t say would

[rare jackal]

people really love envenom huh

interesting

[grim jay]

No we just dont hate it for no reason

[royal lantern]

its more like

blizz actively goes away from "apply dots, they do dmg" gameplay

[grim jay]

And its still fitting the spec identity

[kindred breach]

Envenom is a core for our spec since the dawn of time i like it

[runic hinge]

But basically a rupture will do more damage for the combo points and energy than envenom but the target has to live the full duration. So if it doesn’t why bother

[rare jackal]

i get where they are coming from but it leads to homogenization which is lame

[grim jay]

Probably because they realized they suck at tuning that in aoe

[runic hinge]

All roads lead to 🦀

[royal lantern]

i mean, not really?

or are you saying that assa and afflock play the same lol

[runic hinge]

@blazing jewel one crab build please

[runic hinge]

Assa and spriest play the same

[rare jackal]

no im saying sin and sub play too similarly

[grim jay]

Hell no

[rare jackal]

idk about afli and the other WL specs

[neat plank]

I'm not a fan of any buffs that need to be maintained, especially short ones ;/

[royal lantern]

im honest, they always kinda did

[rare jackal]

fair, im a DF baby i wouldnt know

[royal lantern]

allright yeha, if you started in DF it explains some stuff

we had the entire "dot specs where dots do the majority of your dmg" part for a long time

and it was mostly a gigantic headache

cus it almost always resulted in "insane in raids, bad everywhere else"

cus they needed stuff to stay alive for a long time or otherwhise do 0dmg

and multidotting then broke shit

crucible of storms in BfA with most teams running 70% of their raid beeing shadowpriest lol

[rare jackal]

huge brain idea: diminishing return on multiple dots, like a target cap

[grim jay]

Imo the 1 min dance patches were enough distinction.

They sadly didnt move in that direction with the rework

[runic prairie]

sin makes me not want to play sub sometimes

[royal lantern]

another thing is that "dots do most dmg" is....a bit lame in gameplay quiet often, cus it translates into applying dots every 20-ish seconds and then do whatever bettwen that

[runic prairie]

its like ez sub mode and more dmg

[grim jay]

What you want would rather be achieved with talents/improvements like scent

[royal lantern]

cus it doesnt matter what you actually do in those "downtimes"

[rare jackal]

sure that could be interesting too

[rare jackal]

real
this post was made by dust spreadsheet gang

[royal lantern]

yes, sure

espacially the more dmg part

OH WAIT

[runic prairie]

im serious lol

this aint bait

[rare jackal]

ehhhhhhm, have you looked as season 4 stats 🤓

[royal lantern]

SUB IS THE #1 RAID SPEC FOR THE LAST 2000 TIERS NOW

[runic prairie]

for m+

[royal lantern]

you mean the mode where assa literally didnt function until 10.2 because it had no real aoe

[grim jay]

Dont mention m+ to tryan

[earnest remnant]

buff sub ong

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

Outlaw, heard you wanna be an outlaw gamer

[rare jackal]

this tbh famalam

[royal lantern]

ngl, m+ always spawns the most cooked takes

[earnest remnant]

like that abomination of a spec will ever be good for raiding

[rare jackal]

im sad for my pirate bros but im lowkey happy im not forced to play outlaw

[grim jay]

I cant say "hopefully it wont", because recently everything turned out unfavorable that way and I dont wanna do that to us

[royal lantern]

bro, i just want endless energy and cdr on everything and gcd locked gameplay and sustained dmg and also burst dmg

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

[earnest remnant]

same chance of me being hit by lightning

[runic prairie]

that was s2 sub

[earnest remnant]

as outlaw being good for raiding

and i dont go outside

[earnest remnant]

just remove the burst part

then yeh sure

[grim jay]

The question is, would you rather be hit by lightning or play outlaw

[earnest remnant]

lightning

easy

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/wild-life-cam-raccoon-trash-panda-eating-wildlife-gif-24542010

[grim jay]

Same

[runic hinge]

No thoughts only ability spam

[royal lantern]

outlaw: you get carpal tunnel and people laugh at it instead of beeing concerned about a serious self inflicted medical condition

getting hit by lighting: maybe unlock a cool superpower

[grim jay]

But brother KiR outlaw is SO hard

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-hard-jack-will-and-grace-gif-3462659

[runic hinge]

You can’t want every single button you have to be pressed on cd and also complain when you die to mechanics cause you’re animation locked because you can’t take a half a second and think, can I die if I can’t move for 2 seconds.

The killing spree thing just boggles my mind, like boys maybe think before you just press it.

[grim jay]

Couldnt happen to me, im dead inside anyway, nerves included. My apm at work being higher than anything an outlaw could do aside

That special power.. Shotgunning monsters?

[runic hinge]

“Omg it’s gonna kill me ten times a key”. No shit. Don’t press it when something is gonna get cast

[royal lantern]

yeha but then i dont cdr it and i instantly lose 9999999999999k dps and its overrrrrrr

[runic hinge]

Dead dps do zero dps. So they say

[royal lantern]

like, yeha KS is bullshit and should not be a thing

but alsl

people loved DfA lol

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1255570724861771896/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

[royal lantern]

there is really a big part of people that want to slam everything 24/7 with no downsides

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

and i sometimes wonder how they sould even function on some other classes tbh

if they would at all

[runic hinge]

Look I’m not saying animation lock is good but I am saying maybe we think about what we’re pressing

[rotund oak]

im rly hoping for a sub aoe buff and some deathstalker love to push for glad+

#keepsubdreamalive

[earnest remnant]

pvp

[rotund oak]

u hatin'

[royal lantern]

i want them to actually put 2hours of effort into sub for once

[rotund oak]

sub is a spec that with a lil touch here and there can become

AMAZING

for m+ and pvp at least

devs are smokin' stuff idk how they cant see it

so much potential wasted

[midnight mist]

[runic hinge]

Shouldn’t your short arms be animation locked in a different channel

[grim jay]

[midnight mist]

[runic hinge]

[worldly sail]

they should replace mutilate with killing spree

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[worldly sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515962048669286414/1262045745830301787/attachment.gif

[safe wigeon]

assa is still bugged in some spells yeah?

[balmy condor]

a bunch yes

[safe wigeon]

holy

[balmy condor]

not really that surprising tbh

sub has it way worse

basically every spec in the game is bugged to shit

[safe wigeon]

yeah

[rotund oak]

dw fam we lvling in 10 days

btw sub looks like its suffering from those

[vagrant hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vagrant hinge]

Any tww spreadsheet ?

I mean I know number will change but wanna know atm which spec is better, is it assa fatebound ?

[final star]

It's the friends we made along the way :3

[orchid pewter]

Play whats most fun, and that is trickster outlaw

[balmy condor]

no

fuck beta spreadsheets bro

[vagrant hinge]

Ok 👌

[orchid pewter]

bor fr

[midnight mist]

but whyspir

i got linked one earlier

[hollow river]

ayo?

[midnight mist]

it seemed to be trusted info

[balmy condor]

is it izen's dumbass spreadsheet

[midnight mist]

!

[midnight mist]

[grim jay]

Didnt you get the liquid and echo approved spreadsheet?

[midnight mist]

wasnt that the website

[balmy condor]

bro I've seen smarter rocks than that guy

[midnight mist]

[grim jay]

No there was a sheet aswell

[midnight mist]

holy banger

[grim jay]

Cant find it anymore tho

[midnight mist]

was it good tho

[grim jay]

Basically

It was a holy eBook

Full of truth

[royal lantern]

hey

my name is beta spreadsheets

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor outlaw is almost top simming in iven sheet

[balmy condor]

trickz already made that joke you're slow

[midnight mist]

does that mean its outlaw tier ? ?

[royal lantern]

im pooling

[midnight mist]

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

yes ofc

[midnight mist]

i knew it

[balmy condor]

all numbers on that sheet are very accurate

and he definitely knows what he's talking about

[midnight mist]

kieron is going to be so mad when i tell him its outlaw tier

@final star

[grim jay]

Wdym looks perfectly fine

[balmy condor]

yeah

insane

bro found a screenshot of me bitching during APL fixes

very accurate

what a fucking clown

whatever

dumbasses gonna be dumbasses

[midnight mist]

im surprised he got his hands on a sin sim

[balmy condor]

he's not important enough to anything for me to waste effort on

[final star]

man I'm so mad

[midnight mist]

tbf

[balmy condor]

he didn't

[midnight mist]

get owned bozo

[balmy condor]

he got his hands on that screenshot

and that's it

his sheet says (needs sim)

[midnight mist]

oh

[balmy condor]

cause he can't fucking sim it himself

[final star]

that's because you keep the apl locked up private unobtainable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!