assassination

[desert cove]

I’m happy to play sin / sub

[kind forge]

yea true

[desert cove]

But I’m gonna miss the gamba

[grim jay]

Cant be. My arcane mage deals damage just fine

[royal lantern]

i mean, sure, if they want

kinda stupid to make desicions based on beta stuff, but

[kind forge]

*and asked if he should reroll back to rogue not that sin is strong AT THE MOMENT in beta

[royal lantern]

"this time arcane is gonna be strong, trust me, THIS TIME"

[kindred breach]

Tbf rogue was kinda ass in M+ S4

maybe he rerolled before

[royal lantern]

then blizz remembers that fire exists and giga buffs it into high heavens, every single time

[grim jay]

Honestly I dont care that much on my mage about performance, I just like arcane and its looking hella fun to alt this time.

[royal lantern]

arcane is cool ye, always was

[grim jay]

And arcane actually is kinda fine all the time

[royal lantern]

arcane>frost>fire

fire is so lame

[kind forge]

based

[grim jay]

I like glacial Spike

[haughty flicker]

i was thinking of playing frost

[kind forge]

arcane > glacial spike >>fire

[haughty flicker]

but like

90% of their casts are ice lance on beta

they legit just spam the fuck out of it

barely use anything else

barely even use glacial spike

[royal lantern]

thats frost, yes

[haughty flicker]

nah on live atm its better than that

its actually cursed

xdd

[grim jay]

It was cool at some point

Dont remember when

Maybe it was legion?

When it still had big burst

No skb

[drowsy hollow]

is it really ice lance spam? for Frostfire?

[royal lantern]

Raw Input

[haughty flicker]

spellwhatever

[balmy condor]

the illusion of free will

[haughty flicker]

idk how frostfire plays, i just know what mr preheat tells me to know

[haughty flicker]

ye but im not playing sin either

[grim jay]

Its atleast builder spender

[haughty flicker]

and thats not opener

[balmy condor]

yeh true

[grim jay]

But you seemingly dont frostbolt

[kindred breach]

"But guys we have too many buttons"

Smh

[balmy condor]

banger alert

[haughty flicker]

fok pog

[grim jay]

Why does it fok 2 times

[balmy condor]

the first clear the witnesses

and then the second

[kind forge]

[grim jay]

Oh wait didnt watch the timestamp

[kind forge]

now only CT is needed

than its a real banger

[desert gate]

As an outlaw / sub main, coming to assassination again for the first time in years, I have to say, I hate, having to manage my energy

[balmy condor]

CT would need a 55% buff to even be used rotationally in single target, and closer to 120% for it to be talented

[balmy condor]

it's not for everyone

[haughty flicker]

so you're saying there's a chance

[kindred breach]

yeah when you are used to roll your head on the keyboard its kinda lame lmao

[desert gate]

I think I just need to become acustom to the slower /wait for x % of energy before slamming envenom

[kind forge]

sry i'm german - my sarcasm is not good

but you can relate

[grim jay]

I mean it might be easier to hit ER with rotational foks

[balmy condor]

true

but I'm also dead inside

the fok blood is on my hands

[grim jay]

Your hands got FoKed up you mean

By all the cooking

[balmy condor]

as much as an ambush I guess

[kind forge]

[balmy condor]

it's 2cp + seal fate

so it's like a blindside proc but it costs energy

[grim jay]

Thats an easy low anima Cp

Even without seal fate but a garrote refresh

Potentially less reason to hate on ER

[balmy condor]

Okay but why are we talking about how to hit ER cp at all

[grim jay]

Because I like giving people hope that hate on abilities

They now need to play

[haughty flicker]

why do we hate er

we need every button we can get

[grim jay]

Idk ask them

I like it

[haughty flicker]

button bloat btw

[grim jay]

Probably the best cov ability with flag

[runic hinge]

Er is 45 seconds. You almost always get it

[balmy condor]

Yeah but why are we talking about actually hitting the er cp when we don’t play around it

Like oh er cp so easy to hit with a gar refresh for +1cp

Okay?

[grim jay]

Because thats their concern, their very own feelsbad moment of ER

[balmy condor]

But you wouldn’t

[balmy condor]

Yeah insane bloat

[grim jay]

You gotta write some macros

To make it look like its insane

[kind forge]

where distract ?

[haughty flicker]

distract xdd

[balmy condor]

Bro doesn’t even have detection on his bars

[haughty flicker]

i have more bars

they're also empty

[quiet oar]

Where Lockpick?

[grim jay]

What about pickpocket

[haughty flicker]

i need an addon to hide them

[kindred breach]

[haughty flicker]

elvui was nice for that at least

could have it show only on mouseover

[balmy condor]

Yeah mouseover function not existing on base ui is kinda my only issue

[grim jay]

Idk I have my Bars always showing

[kind forge]

same

[grim jay]

Because I use the exact same setup on everything I play and I need the Bars on alts

[kind forge]

same

[quiet oar]

And im showing you always my bar

we are not the same

[grim jay]

Its the longest Bar ive ever seen

But well managed

[rotund oak]

beta update

whats cookin

[quiet oar]

[grim jay]

Senior boss just came in and jokingly said he wanted to see if I'm working (does that often in everyones office)
Guess "yes definitely, I dont have your luxuries" wasnt his favorite answer

[grim jay]

Some warlock fixes

More shaman nerfs

[drowsy hollow]

they just buffed shaman a ton yesterday

[haughty flicker]

they realized they buffed ele by mistake

remembered it isnt allowed to be relevant

[grim jay]

^

[quiet oar]

[grim jay]

Its alright, he doesnt have any say about me, only his son has

[grim jay]

Its kinda funny, every time I see ele looking fun its also kinda dead

But it got more relevant due to skyfury now aswell

Somewhat

[haughty flicker]

to be an ele main is to suffer

skyfury is nice but resto is looking really good atm

so its a bit deadge for ele unless they get to pump

[grim jay]

It was kinda funny because the change came just as we found a backup enhancer

[rotund oak]

kinda big an update tbh

half a gig

eager to see if they added the campaign stuff

it was bugged,couldnt finish

[balmy condor]

one more bugfix

[grim jay]

Are you excited or do you dread it?

[kind forge]

Doomblade

[rotund oak]

what bugfix though

ah its doomblade huh

[balmy condor]

vicious doesn't work with shiv

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rotund oak]

oh cool cool

[balmy condor]

and no that's not doomblade

that's sanguine

[kind forge]

oops

[hearty crane]

!talents

[balmy condor]

I'm excited for something to make sense cause atm it doesn't

[rotund oak]

ill take 0.4% tyvm

need to see if theyve fixed ER - Deathstalkers mark

and then check the campaign

[kindred breach]

We eating

[balmy condor]

doubt

[rotund oak]

enkindled memories was bugged

[balmy condor]

did they push another update?

[rotund oak]

just finished 581mb update

on my disk

[normal mist]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

okay but like did they push something different from last night

[rotund oak]

im hyped

logging atm

[balmy condor]

cause the only thing that got fixed was the kb bug I'm 99% sure

[hearty crane]

Where do u find a guide to the hero talents? I can only find prepatch talents

[balmy condor]

unless they did something new

[balmy condor]

doesn't exist yet

[hoary remnant]

is this with "bis" (high itemlevel 630) gear?

what does that sim show?

[balmy condor]

single target

[hoary remnant]

yes and with what itemlevel?

I guess fatebound?

[balmy condor]

idk like 639

does it matter what ilvl it is

[balmy condor]

deathstalker

[hoary remnant]

ohhhh

[hearty crane]

So what are people playing with in m+ rn? Fatebound?

[balmy condor]

both

[hoary remnant]

I play both. Imo though fatebound is easier to play since keeping up the "lucky coin" buff you just need to be in combat

So you gotta tricks and pull the mobs if the tank is on the slower side 😄

[balmy condor]

ah so you're the rogue every tank complains about

[rotund oak]

camapign bug fixed!

im fisnihing this TODAY!!!

[balmy condor]

cause you need your extra drop of dps

[hoary remnant]

😄

[hearty crane]

I dont have tricks in my spellbook 😄

[grim jay]

You are a maniac

[hoary remnant]

Yes. But ngl still feels bad on downtime rp stuff when the lucky coin runs out

[kind forge]

but why

[hoary remnant]

Feels even worse imagine your an outlaw rogue and all the coin and rolling of dice gamba luck runs out

[balmy condor]

as you should

[rotund oak]

it works now

[grim jay]

Did you just insult us

[hoary remnant]

wdym you couldnt finish leveling?

[grim jay]

With a png name

[balmy condor]

bro is actually just leveling on beta what a chad

[rotund oak]

i couldnt finish the campaign not lvling

i wanna check the campaign

[hoary remnant]

Which is for leveling 😄

[rotund oak]

ive lvled 2 times again

my rogue

[balmy condor]

someone has to check campaign I guess

[rotund oak]

and my mage

[hoary remnant]

why are you leveling beta? 😄

[balmy condor]

might as well be you

[grim jay]

Yeah I kinda admire the effort. Im already mentally down if I do it on retail

[rotund oak]

i like the lore man

[grim jay]

Is it good this time?

[hoary remnant]

Holy moly lore

[grim jay]

Dont spoiler

[rotund oak]

yeah its cool!

[grim jay]

Ima read and watch cutscenes on my alt this time again

I didnt like the stuff in df

[rotund oak]

btw is there a reason why i envenom now,killing the mob but my cps remain

[balmy condor]

probably died before the envenom actually landed

ping lag is neat

[chilly herald]

Is that 6 corpses quest still bugged? I was prepping my leveling route and was also stuck

How did you get 1/6?

[grim jay]

He said it got fixed today

[rotund oak]

yeah but the animation goes off,its confusing

[elfin hazel]

Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask but I'm fairly new to the game and trying to figure out what professions to choose for my rogue

[rotund oak]

yeah u can go past that now,ive finished,went on the ship area

some ppl say there are two quests bugged down the way but doable

[chilly herald]

Gonna check after the work, thanks!

[balmy condor]

whatever you feel are cool is fine, there's nothing really that gives power from professions. Engineering has some neat stuff like a portal generator or whatever, alchemy has a bonus of letting consumables last longer

but overall it's all a wash and there's nothing you "NEED" to get

can always go like herb/alch and make your own potions if you want

[grim jay]

Alchemy is a considerable thing if you are new Id imagine, with the limited gold

[quiet oar]

No Professions gives you an DPS Increase

Thats an classci thing

[elfin hazel]

So alchemy is good for making gold then?

[quiet oar]

Nah

[grim jay]

Saving Gold

[quiet oar]

For saving gold

[haughty flicker]

moreso its good for saving gold

[balmy condor]

that's entirely dependant on the market

[quiet oar]

Alchemy and Enchanter

[elfin hazel]

Oh, right! I see

[quiet oar]

Is the way for saving gold

Enchanting for Epic shards

and Alchemy for longer flasks

[normal mist]

Skinning + lw

You're welcome

No need to ask other people for recrafts

[grim jay]

Making gold depends on the market like Whispyr said. Think at the beginning of DF it was probably jewelry that could net you the most Gold

[quiet oar]

Gathering Professions

What a bozo

[normal mist]

No u

[haughty flicker]

lariats made people multiple gold caps

crazy stuff lmao

[grim jay]

Ye

[worldly sail]

any gear crafting made gold caps if you just spammed trade chat tbh

[grim jay]

Someone in my guild got it on the first day

The recipe

[elfin hazel]

So what I'm hearing here is that it's mostly down to preference?

[quiet oar]

i definitely made some gold with professions

[grim jay]

Yes absolutely

[quiet oar]

But used it instantly for boosts

[grim jay]

Probably the only thing I do for Gold

Boosting

Everything else I could just work an hour extra

[quiet oar]

Most crafting stuff i did while watching videos

or in between keys

[balmy condor]

why tf does dashing scoundrel suck so god damn bad

holy fuck

[grim jay]

Idk I kinda get bored easily. I only did jwc because I had to

And alchemy because I took it anyways for duration and raid prep

[quiet oar]

I have everything except engineering

[grim jay]

But for gold idk

Boosting at the beginning of the expac or each season is quite some gold

[quiet oar]

But i need other people

[grim jay]

Dont think you can get that amount with professions unless really lucky

[quiet oar]

and need to be there in specific timeslots

[rotund oak]

is KB hitting a bit too hard or what

[quiet oar]

Idk, you can make 100k+ in an hour

[rotund oak]

900k hits

[balmy condor]

kb is fine

[grim jay]

Wdym, you can just accept boosts when ever you wanna play

[grim jay]

Thats what you can get with a key easily per person at the beginning

While having some fun

[quiet oar]

and you ahve to be in a boosting community

and have to post there

literally the same as posting tradechat

[grim jay]

Working overtime would be multiple times the gold/h tho

[quiet oar]

I wish Boosting communities would be deleted

In SL S3 where they were banned

[grim jay]

Nah you just let the advertisers Post and react to the group request

[quiet oar]

We boosted a lot as a private group

[grim jay]

Did that in legion

As boosting was new

M+

[quiet oar]

I didnt care about M+ in Legion

Only for the 1 weekly

[candid hull]

m+ in legion was fun but I was shit at it

[rotund oak]

bruh the shadow tower is the most drustvar shadow/void vibes ever

love it

u have even a shadow of urself following u

😂

[hoary remnant]

Poison bomb!

[drowsy hollow]

I liked Halls of Valor in Legion, I was weird

But yeah, I didn't do a lot of +10s in Legion

[quiet oar]

I can say

I didnt like Halls of Vlaor in DF S1

[rotund oak]

im hoping for MoS in a rotation during TWW

banger dungeon

or something from wrath

[quiet oar]

No

Cata dungeons already were a mistake

no need for Wrath dungeons

[grim jay]

Imo they should only implement stuff that old if they give it an overhaul

[hoary remnant]

Need UBRS as dungeon

[grim jay]

Both mechanically and visually

[hoary remnant]

also more leveling dungeons as m+

[quiet oar]

So like Uldaman

[grim jay]

I mean it was pretty bad at the beginning

But it got to a point where it was decent atleast

[quiet oar]

Idk

Everything older than MOP is a no GO

even MOP is questionable

[midnight mist]

I thought uld was a decent dungeon tho

[quiet oar]

except they overhaul a dungeon completely

[midnight mist]

Why didnt people like it

[grim jay]

It imo feels bad to have the old graphics on retail, even if the dungeon somehow might not be too bad

[quiet oar]

Grim Batol

[midnight mist]

Grim batol is horrendous

It's ugly

The packs are all way too small

And the pacing is terrible

[quiet oar]

Its 13 year old

[midnight mist]

There is way too many casters

Too many different mobs

Like after second boss

You have pacjs

Where there is like 6 different mobs in a pack of 7 mobs or so

Each one have 1/2 casts

Like uhh??

[quiet oar]

Good thing that stops dont work like before than

[static glacier]

you learn which cast is lethal and which is semi-fake

[midnight mist]

The dragons are also mega cringe design, have to Los but you can't los cause you drop shit on the ground, their hitbox is too small so you have to be inside them as melee, but whole doing so you can't see any puddles under your feets

And last boss

Is also terrible, you can't walk anymore with the tentacles

That you can barely see cause boss model is so huge

[midnight mist]

Every cast is lethal so gg

[static glacier]

[quiet oar]

Grim batol prolly the worst dungeon

They couldve taken for M+

from cata

[midnight mist]

Also

It's very ugly

Also the bosses are very boring except maybe first one

There is too much running back if you die

And the RP on the drakes is just weird for m+, break the pace I fall asleep

I'm not sure there is a single good thing about this dungeon tbh

Throne worked fine

I feel like it's the only old dungeon that did

[quiet oar]

I think the reason why it was taken

[rotund oak]

idk,depends

[quiet oar]

because of the Twillight void theme

it has

[rotund oak]

rly old dungeons could get an overhaul

maybe

[quiet oar]

Ye just like Uldaman

But they prolly only rebuild one old dungeon

to make it completely new

[rotund oak]

like the slave pens or the ones in hellfire peninsula

[midnight mist]

was the same issue with the sahdowmoon dungeon

[rotund oak]

could be rly good

[midnight mist]

what was the name

that one litteraly was the same shit

[quiet oar]

Shadowmoon Burial Grounds

[midnight mist]

old ass boring dungeon

ye

[quiet oar]

Irons DOcks

was a good one

which was the same expac

[midnight mist]

i tought the one in a single line

the train

right

that one was kinda cool

[quiet oar]

Thats Grimrail depot

[midnight mist]

the issue was the camera angle

that was mega trash

but it was a cool concept and the pacing of the dungeon was insane

[quiet oar]

I think they do this on purpose

some Dungeons to be simple af

etc.

[rotund oak]

Im also thinking of sethralis

banger

[quiet oar]

thats bfa

thats not pold

[rotund oak]

true but a nice dungeon

[quiet oar]

BFA was 2018

6 years

ago

[rotund oak]

bruh can u stop jumping from one foot to another

😂

is it young is it old

[quiet oar]

In terms of WOW

its not old

but in terms of me

im old

[rotund oak]

yeah ik,its just u being a kid

sure u are

go out to the backyard to play with the other kids

[quiet oar]

I dont like them

[rotund oak]

😂

[shrewd night]

Tiramil is the confirmed child bully

[rotund oak]

based

[quiet oar]

[blazing plaza]

yo..i decided 🙂

[grim jay]

I guess

Congrats? On whatever you decided

[balmy condor]

wasn't that the fury pfp guy from earlier

guess he decided rogue

[normal mist]

What a monster

[subtle tundra]

what a bad decision

[grim jay]

Couldve been worse

Probably intends to play sin atleast

It couldve been outlaw

[kind forge]

next week when they nerf sin or fix bugs he will be back to

[subtle kiln]

having a choice between warrior and rogue and goes rogue.

[kind forge]

i mean if you base your decision on beta numbers

it makes sense

[grim jay]

Or on fun

Or reputation

[gusty mirage]

Repute deez nuts bud

[grim jay]

Oh brother I would

Dont dare me

[blazing plaza]

u dont have the trust

no i will wont ..really wanted to continue on rogue because is my main..is just that it was on the ground..it wont be back there so is fine

[kind forge]

just memeing - play what you want

[brave gyro]

Nothing wrong with redirecting to what you enjoy

[grim jay]

It wasnt really on the ground this expac tho

But glad you are back at what you enjoy

[blazing plaza]

yep thx

[brave gyro]

🫲

[blazing plaza]

hehe

[balmy condor]

okay boomer

[brave gyro]

[kind forge]

imagine if it would still be like that

[royal lantern]

post this in #outlaw and check how many people would know it/what it did

[shrewd night]

Tryan tryan to start shit again

[royal lantern]

target bound CP is a real time travle thing

[kind forge]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

[grim jay]

Sometimes do aswell

But mentioning acro doesnt work anymore

So I like Tryans idea

[brave gyro]

I thought outlaw is now only people that rerolled with the rework

[royal lantern]

remember when pandemic was a warlock passive

[shrewd night]

Go back to the old goldies

"Why do you even like outlaw when rtb has so much variance??"

[quiet oar]

Nah way back "Combat was so good!!!"

[royal lantern]

ngl, removing burst of speed was weird af

cus they said that 1 reason they did it was "rogue was too strong in battlegrounds as flag carry"

and in the same patch they remove it, they added vengance DH lol

[grim jay]

arrrr mateys, all the rtb tracking and variance, why didnt you walk the plank or jump ship?

[shrewd night]

You cant say like "haha I cant talk about acro anymore"

And the you say something way more cooked in the next post

[grim jay]

I didnt see anything cooked in here for atleast 5 minutes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-food-inhale-gif-25441936

[kind forge]

ya

[shrewd night]

Remember when corruption had cast time?

[royal lantern]

remember when our main job was keeping expose armor up?

[shrewd night]

No

I didnt play rogue back then

[grim jay]

Remember when asmon had full hair?

[royal lantern]

remember when guy and whisp where just weirdos with red/yellow names

[grim jay]

Idk about guy

But Whispyr ye

Lurkspyr

[stoic needle]

I remember, back in the dark ages of sl

[balmy condor]

I was green in shadowlands

and then orange

[grim jay]

Yeah he meant thats where the tyranny began

[stoic needle]

I was getting my colors mixed up I wasn't there for the red era

You'd just gotten cf when I joined the discord i believe

[normal mist]

Who did the guides for assassination before you?

[balmy condor]

mystler

well, seli for icyveins

but me fuu and guy took the wowhead guides from mystler when he retired

[normal mist]

How hard was it to, suddenly, have to create whole ass guides for a website?

[balmy condor]

I mean it was inherited so it wasn't too bad

we didn't have to write it from entirely scratch

formatting was the hardest part

[hard river]

mystler the goat

[balmy condor]

and then once I got comfortable I rewrote a lot of it

but we got eased into it

[shrewd night]

lmao imagine writing from scratch instead of using chatgpt

[normal mist]

[rotund oak]

retail so boring

💀

barely found the courage to do the gold quests in the world map

back to beta asap

[clever niche]

Mystler was a real one

[kind forge]

mystler

[subtle kiln]

@surreal torrent you’re getting your flowers!

[clear oar]

can someone explain the kingsbane, deathmark, shiv combo like im 4 or do i legit just stack them

deathmark > kingsbane > shiv

[limber lion]

Yes you stack but you use Shiv before KB because you want the initial hit of KB to be inside Shiv

And 2 Shiv last for 16s anyways, whereas KB is 14

[clear oar]

dope

and this is against a target with all the dots on them

[limber lion]

You maintain all dots always yes

Except on giga big packs

[snow hamlet]

Is Fate Intertwined broken? I never see it in details

[limber lion]

Or packs that last for 20s+

[spice surge]

Scroll down

[limber lion]

It's there :-)

[snow hamlet]

[spice surge]

Its just a wierd talent

Since it doesnt hit your main target, it doesnt spatter

[snow hamlet]

You mean its second narrative doesn't work?

[spice surge]

Well if you have multiple targets

The second part doesnt happen

Then it hits the other targets instead

[snow hamlet]

[spice surge]

Thats how its supposed to work

[obtuse ruin]

Any idea how much % we will lose once subterfuge bug is fixed?

[spice surge]

Not much at all

Bug is worth like 2-3% dps tops, but taking that path is a decent dps loss already

[worthy geyser]

Is sin gonna feel bad in low keys? Since things die so quick. Or is it fine, but you wont get the most out of it

[jolly heath]

In low keys, you just wait people sent their cd first, so you send next pull lol

[spice surge]

Sudden demise

[clear oar]

i miss james

[fresh barn]

do we use first thisle tea right after kb or wait 2sec so we have 2thisle tea for last 12sec?

[rough hull]

works like a charm xD

[sterile jackal]

fucken sbs is annoying as hell to test

eternal combat

[rough hull]

although tbh in low keys you might just as well not use your cds at all and let crimson tempest and caustic do the work... if you have a warr or hunter in the group shit just dies anyway xD

[normal mist]

You use tea in shiv windows when you get full value of the energy

Also we don't tea for KB anymore

[fresh barn]

so tea after each shiv

and why we dont tea for kb tho?

[normal mist]

Kb nerfs

Also I didn't say that

You use tea if you gain 100 energy from it

Not after shiv

[normal mist]

And the rotation changed, you don't vanish for kb as well

[urban anvil]

Am I wrong in assuming that sin rogue has gotten easier to play in m+ in tww?

[gusty mirage]

I don’t think you’re wrong, dance going away makes the rotation less convoluted. You probably also got a ton more reps under your belt and it feels comfier so dance going bye bye simplifies something you already got comfy with

It’ll definitely feel less overwhelming

[urban anvil]

Thats nice

[surreal torrent]

i got pinged

who awakened me from my slumber

[normal mist]

#assassination message started here

[surreal torrent]

i saw 😛

[normal mist]

So they were just admiring you as the GOAT

[surreal torrent]

lol

Hope everything is going well!

[normal mist]

Yes chef!

[rotund oak]

Mystler

holysht its been ages

[surreal torrent]

It has

[normal mist]

You can sim

And none of the current recommended builds work without KB

You're trying m+ sim?

Because afaik ST sim works okay,

[vestal wren]

thats because they use the war within version

and many classes already started to optimize for TWW

pre patch has different tuning and the apl's are often already optimized for hero talents

so there is no guarantee that things are optimized

(for assassiantion it should be quite good tho)

[normal mist]

Thanks for the explanation @vestal wren

[vestal wren]

[spice surge]

You pretty much need kingsbane

Its like 8%+ of your damage

[normal mist]

@balmy condor or @spice surge might know those numbers way better than me so let's just wait until they pop in

[spice spire]

mystler sightings

[normal mist]

Oh hi Eleem

[spice spire]

Kb just a button you press every minute

Chill

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane is required

You won’t get around it

[iron valve]

kingsbane is so good that the rest of the build optimizations and APL are built around it

[balmy condor]

I mean not that extreme

But yeah it’s a basis of our cooldowns

[uneven plume]

they fixed the 3% dmage buff bug?

or notes not released yet

[spice surge]

They havent fixed subterfuge no

[tropic cedar]

buy a foot pedal

gg

[normal mist]

We have less and less buttons tho

[tropic cedar]

you haven't lived until you've sent KB/AR with your bigly toe

[slim hamlet]

I heckin love Kingsbane

[vestal wren]

they at least fixed it not working on sub

[slim hamlet]

Main character of the rogue class confirmed

[stable relic]

Anyone have a reliable streamer or youtuber that showcases m+ gameplay on beta?

[vestal wren]

assassiantion? possible

[shy pecan]

I don't know about showcasing... but Casualaddict has been streaming beta keys recently

[vestal wren]

casualaddict and kush seem to stream beta a lot

[keen mantle]

having so much fun

[mighty kiln]

[vestal wren]

huh, is it the new er bug?

[keen mantle]

if it is they will fix it after i do some world first key or sth

[spice surge]

Its subterfuge

[vestal wren]

i mean the reference to "infinite cp"

[spice surge]

Yes

[keen mantle]

the 30% is funnier than infinite cp

its a better take

[vestal wren]

ohh so its both okay

[spice surge]

Shrouded gives +4 CP with the bug

Instead of +2

[olive crater]

Morning! Someone has talents for assa in retail?! ty!

[normal mist]

Pins

Or guides

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice surge]

Just dont run subterfuge then casual and have their minds explode when you do damage without "bug abusing"

[keen mantle]

It's funnier while they exist

No cap

let me send a picture here

That is a screenshot from retail entire key breakdown

That is a screenshot of beta

HOW WILD IS THIS BUG

Aint it?

[subtle tundra]

But why do you care so much 😭

[keen mantle]

It's just funny

I can agree that assa is broken

i cant agree that assa is broken cause of the bug

[subtle tundra]

Not really when you spam caps lock for 20 times

[keen mantle]

I mean someone has to spread the word

In order to not have misscommunications

[subtle tundra]

Its a pretty impactul bug

Blizz knows

[keen mantle]

I would consider sth impactful if when fixed you lose a lot.

[vestal wren]

there are a lot of other bugs too ^^

[keen mantle]

Ye i mean on total ofc

Not this bug as a single

If they fix the ones that lose dmg

• this one that give

[primal yoke]

What's the bug with caustic spatter?

[rotund oak]

fix ER interaction to deathstalkers mark to begin with

[stable relic]

Does assa still have the multi tab target playstyle or just funnel one target

[rotund oak]

imp gar double dipping into subter

[vestal wren]

ic makes it easier, you can often just dot the main target and be fine

[rotund oak]

whatever

[spice surge]

Nothing

[spice surge]

Did you not read the previous messages?

[slate crown]

Regardless of the number, because it interacts with your gameplay resource economy, it is if anything a very visible bug.

Which may impact their prioritization

[surreal vale]

What is the bug on Assa rn ?

[slim hamlet]

Must me 40% at least then

[naive crane]

hey, can you guys share a deathstalkers mark / darkest night wa plz?

[slim hamlet]

Shrouded gives +4CP instead of +2CP in subterfuge, pretty sure it was like 3% dmg buff or something Whispyr said

Could be wrong

Oh shit

It does +50% dmg too

[placid adder]

Sounds broken

[rotund oak]

u didnt know?

[slim hamlet]

I feel like I have read it but forgotten

Garrote was only like 8-10% before so still not even close to 30% lol

[rotund oak]

mobs dont rly live all that much to take the full bleed dmg but ye

its 50% more

also double dips on cps

[balmy condor]

somewhere between 2.5 and 3.5% overall

[slim hamlet]

Is that with the dmg buff too?

[keen mantle]

haha im spreading the propaganda then eating popcorn reading comments

[balmy condor]

that's the bug in total

[keen mantle]

such a bitch i am

[slim hamlet]

Making Whispyr's life hard

Well played

[keen mantle]

actually the opposite

im saying the truth

[slim hamlet]

Just blame it on forgetting to put the "." in between

[keen mantle]

to anyone whos asking

[slim hamlet]

Ah

[keen mantle]

Also i raged on some today aswell

[balmy condor]

casual is one of the few m+ rogues that has critical thinking

now the people in his chat however......

[keen mantle]

i added a wild command tho

[placid adder]

😂

[balmy condor]

only 40% smh

[rotund oak]

casualdaddy puting the muscle where its needed

😂

[balmy condor]

I'd be willing to bed people still believe that

[keen mantle]

You have no idea

i swear

[late surge]

casual ur the greek god of rogues

[balmy condor]

oh, if anyone has an idea it would be me I promise

[keen mantle]

Greek god of souvlaki

[late surge]

especially with that gigachad command

[vestal wren]

haha, make it 50%

double down

[balmy condor]

you have no idea how much I've had to argue against all this nonsense

[placid adder]

Yeah update now 50%

[keen mantle]

My only proof with my small brain is getting a retail M+ log that has 8.5% garrote while beta has 10.3% on garrote.

Plus some extra from cp generation ofc

[balmy condor]

yeah

[late surge]

how much is it rougly

[balmy condor]

that adds up with sims

[late surge]

like 5% in m+?

or 3-4

[balmy condor]

between 2.5 and 3.5

[vestal wren]

that sounds more reasonable ye

[keen mantle]

some keys ive noticed garrote is doing 12-13% instead of 10%

but thats dungeons diff

[balmy condor]

depends a bit on key and stuff yeah

[keen mantle]

which would happen in retail too

[balmy condor]

but somewhere around the 3% range

[subtle tundra]

What if ic and sudden demise were choice node and we could go full bleed

[late surge]

ok so confirmed assa is bad and were only good bc of a bug

the usual

ggs

[balmy condor]

exactly yeah

broken spec

[subtle tundra]

And I could use rupture many time

[late surge]

reroll quick before they fix!

[keen mantle]

All the world is expecting nerfs tho

[late surge]

how are the keys mr casual

[late surge]

I havent really tuned into meta

[keen mantle]

HAHAHA

its over

[late surge]

beta*

[rotund oak]

u are losing the fun

[placid adder]

There goes our 20% aura buff

[keen mantle]

ye assa is having the time of its life in beta

ngl

[late surge]

I mean im not spending money on a beta

im with varas

[subtle tundra]

I like this channel more when assa isn't strong

[subtle tundra]

Goat

[rotund oak]

casual next echo recruitment?

[keen mantle]

i was reading feedback of rogue today

most of it is dooming

poggers

[balmy condor]

is it dooming over numbers or dooming over design though

[late surge]

do we fok in ST yet

[placid adder]

Mostly outlaw players

[balmy condor]

yes

[keen mantle]

design mostly

i would say

[balmy condor]

yeah that's valid

[keen mantle]

didnt rly see sth about numbers

[balmy condor]

number dooming is dumb

but hero talent design sucks pretty hard

[late surge]

thats unfortunate

[subtle tundra]

Thank God I've matured and I don't care about tuning 🥰

I do care about kb existing

[vestal wren]

i hope you have fun

[late surge]

if class fun I play

if class no fun me no play

[keen mantle]

What the alternative of it could be? for example adding ambush (not only from stealth) can cause issues like marking on top of marks

[balmy condor]

you can't mark on top of marks

[keen mantle]

also the bosses that are rough to play with deathstalker like mists or NW

i learned how to play around

[vestal wren]

think people haven't realized how strong assassiantion currently is ^^

[keen mantle]

after many keys

i dont have any issues

but ye

it might needs some bit of fix somehow

[balmy condor]

just add it to garrote

[keen mantle]

Ye adding to garrote and not being able to mark on top of mark is fine

Cuase for example i can mark over darkest night

Which is wrong i think aswell

[balmy condor]

that's fine though

[keen mantle]

I shouldn't do that

[balmy condor]

you want that

mark uptime is good

[subtle tundra]

Hope assa gets gutted so I can cry more about design. In s4 every time I complained about assa people said it's totally playable when that's not my point

[balmy condor]

so if you're able to mark over capstone that's just free

[keen mantle]

My only issues i would wish from assassination santa is being able to get iron wire somehow and SBS more accessible , thats for M+ ofc

About raiding i haven';t tested yet so i have no opinion on it yet

[subtle tundra]

Assa Santa, please delete kingsbane

[balmy condor]

whats the issue with this

[keen mantle]

ye thats the most accessible way

i prolly didnt think of that

i thought i have to sacrifice sbs to get iron wire

[bright turret]

are rogues dooming over heroic talents because they're boring, or because they introduce bad gameplay (like the OG feint one)

[balmy condor]

bit of both

[bright turret]

will sin have to do any whacky/annoying things?

[balmy condor]

for fatebound, using vanish on 5 coin in opener to fish for capstone, not using cold blood before deathmark

[late surge]

how big is the dps loss for not taking double shiv btw?

[bright turret]

haven't touched them myself, but the heroics seemed mostly passive

[late surge]

or am I mistaken

[balmy condor]

for deathstalker opening in aoe with ambush, using fan of knives single target, using a mutilate on 6cp for capstone

[balmy condor]

like 1.5%

[late surge]

oh

lol

okay

[keen mantle]

thats easy then

[late surge]

Im guessing u shiv end of kb then?

[balmy condor]

just feels a bit weird to play

yeah

[late surge]

and send it on cd

[balmy condor]

sending shiv on its own feels real weird after dragonflight

also without arterial it's only worth for the prio

I think eleem ran the numbers and in 5 or more you just don't shiv if you're looking for overall damage

[late surge]

funnel assa

pog

[balmy condor]

not really funnel

just a weak single target cooldown

[keen mantle]

Wtf? if lets say im in a pull of 15 mobs you saying shiv is not worth pressing?

unless i want my big boy target to die?

[balmy condor]

not without arterial precision

[subtle tundra]

Shiv itself is bad

Really weak

[keen mantle]

and why am i wasting gcds

kekW

[balmy condor]

it's also just caustic stuff

works like blade flurry

if you shiv your main target

caustic doesn't increase

both targets need to be shiv'd

[keen mantle]

i was about to ask that

[balmy condor]

so you using shiv on main target for KB for example

won't do anything for your overall

in that situation at least

[keen mantle]

so if all targets are equal it doesnt matter

good to know

equal HP i mean

[balmy condor]

yah

[rotund oak]

thats why ill never unspecc arterial precision

love the node

i dont care baout numbers

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[royal lantern]

wait what

[balmy condor]

what what

[rotund oak]

in the b@tt b@tt 😂

[balmy condor]

arterial builds are only like 2% worse anyway

it's just less single target

[royal lantern]

the shiv + caustic thing

lol

[balmy condor]

which if you're casual probably blows

but if you're a mortal then it's whatever

[balmy condor]

that's how every residual effect works

[late surge]

casual is my goat

[rotund oak]

yup,ive accepted that,i dont mind

[keen mantle]

only arterial i tried was arterial DTB

youre talking arterial sudden i guess

thats not big st

[rotund oak]

yeah

[balmy condor]

yeah you drop dtb

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[keen mantle]

are you aware of how much is the st loss of this?

could be a good build in keys like mists/grim batol or sth

[balmy condor]

5ish last I checked

[keen mantle]

that you have 4-5 mobs pulls

[tawny shell]

👍

[balmy condor]

In aoe though I think it's a gain for prio damage

it's just loss of single target on boss

biggest thing for prio damage in aoe is scent of blood

that's why the whole left side build in m+ during s3 and s4 was so strange to me cause it was always "oh it's more prio"

but it isn't

it's just raw boss damage

scent of blood with even some halfbaked janky build just adds so much prio

it's a ton of agility

[royal lantern]

mainstat=very good

simple as that

[late surge]

scent is the bfa trait right?

thats now a talent

[balmy condor]

it is

[rotund oak]

its a node

[late surge]

sorry

[rotund oak]

on the tree

[late surge]

I miswrote

[balmy condor]

but yes

[rotund oak]

gain agil per rup

[royal lantern]

too late, i allready called the hitsquad

[late surge]

yy

[balmy condor]

it was a bfa trait

[rotund oak]

u fellow mlks btw?

[late surge]

ggs

[late surge]

huh

whats mlk

[rotund oak]

if u were greek u would know the most famous greek word

aka malakas

[late surge]

Im not

[rotund oak]

yeah figured that much 😛

[keen mantle]

its malaka

[late surge]

Casual just my greek goat

[keen mantle]

not mlk

[late surge]

had a friend in high school who was greek tho

got me into wow

[rotund oak]

for the economy of writting brother in arms

[late surge]

xd

[rotund oak]

bad friendships

joking ofc

[past forum]

is there any key level/dungeon type/pull pattern where this build would be "better" or is it just the "i want to play bone spike" build?

[balmy condor]

every dungeon

every key

that's currently the best build

[past forum]

oh sick

i mean yes i knew that, up to date as always

[subtle tundra]

I've befriended 2 Greeks, they're cool

[late surge]

they are indeed

[balmy condor]

@keen mantle posting here just for everyone to see, these are both deathstalker, all compared for 2 min
build 1 (people call this cleave) -> highest boss damage by 1.2% above next best, which is hybrid
build 2 (usually called hybrid) -> highest prio damage in 3 target (2.5%), 4 target (3.5%), 5 target (4.3%), 8 target (5%)

directly compared to cleave, hybrid is actually even higher prio, those same target counts hybrid wins prio by 5.2%, 8.8%, 9.1%, 9.6%

in all of the aoe situations, hybrid also is the highest overall damage

[runic hinge]

What if sin #1 m+ dps

[balmy condor]

basically TLDR is that cleave builds are slightly ahead in single target but lose in any prio damage conversation

because scent is just so fucking strong

cleave also loses in lower keys cause you lose out on both sudden demise and bone spike

so your opener is longer, you don't get the bleed pops, you have less prio

the same is true for fatebound, but fatebound isn't in the conversation for prio damage

[steel ridge]

so what you are saying is, right side better than left side

gotcha

[quaint haven]

has there been any testing for double onuse for assa? havnig one for every kingsbane kinda like sub last tier

[kindred breach]

Only for prio damage i believe

[balmy condor]

equivalent fatebound builds are very similar overall damage but fall behind about 4-5% for prio and boss

[balmy condor]

for everything

[kindred breach]

oh nice

ty boss

[balmy condor]

the on-use trinkets we already have kinda suck

and with kingsbane nerfs

it would be even worse to double on use

[spice surge]

It wasnt good for sub when we had good trinkets, so unlikely to be good for assa when we have bad on-uses

[royal lantern]

the STRONG kingsbane allready was only every 2min

[keen mantle]

Bis trinket seems the grim batol one

2min mainstat and mastery on use

well take that

[spice surge]

He doesnt know pepelaugh

[balmy condor]

this thing is better on paper

[royal lantern]

like, kingsbane itself was good ye, but the kb outside of deathmark wasnt really a big thing you wanted to use a trinket on

[balmy condor]

but grim batol probably bis just to not play it

it's like branch vs ashes

[royal lantern]

look at the stat amount it gives + the timer

[balmy condor]

you could play the slightly better transmitter

and get like 1% more

or you just play grim batol

and it's just macro and forget

[royal lantern]

what even do you need to do for that trinket btw

[balmy condor]

it gives you one of three puzzles

you either have to run to a certain marked area

jump 3x

or uh

[spice surge]

Catch an orb

[balmy condor]

I forget what the other one is

oh yeah

catch an orb that flies to you

[subtle tundra]

Turkish nether trinket

[royal lantern]

sounds easy enough tbh?

[subtle tundra]

You have kebab shop in raid

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not really difficult

branch wasn't difficult either

but the run to marked area can end up in shit on the ground

[spice surge]

But ye assa probably just runs grim batol

[balmy condor]

so probably not ideal

[royal lantern]

branch was more on the "annoying" scale tbh

[spice surge]

because fuck that

[balmy condor]

I think transmitter is way more annoying than branch

[spice surge]

But sub is forced to use it