assassination

[slim hamlet]

How

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

I switched to healer and did well actually

[keen spruce]

They made me raid lead that tier

[slim hamlet]

Guild died on council

I fucking loved council

We were like 10 pulls from kill too

Madge

[keen spruce]

I 21st manned council

never got a kill

[slim hamlet]

xd

[midnight atlas]

lukewarm iq monkeys who took 30 pulls to learn the dance

[keen spruce]

team exploded on SLG

[slim hamlet]

I never got Inverva kill either because I was gone for handball that one night

[keen spruce]

we got a 2% pull

[earnest remnant]

i killed it in 24 pulls

[keen spruce]

yeah but we were bad

[slim hamlet]

God we had 150+ pulls on council

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

Can I see that somewhere?

[earnest remnant]

thats more than i had on Denathrius

[slim hamlet]

Ok seje reje >:(

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-make-face-mocking-tongue-out-gif-15758236

[drifting cloud]

stop bullying people

[spice spire]

No let him cook

[slim hamlet]

I didn't know which game I was playing until DF prepatch

[keen spruce]

@earnest remnant did u see the clip

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/song-hye-kyo-now-we-are-breaking-up-hye-kyo-aniyo-disagree-gif-24401756

[keen spruce]

of the racoon

that likes rubber duckies

and he plays with them in the bathtub

[earnest remnant]

Hemi needs to be faster at building pc, so we can do voldis so i can go to bed

[drifting cloud]

I have raid at 8

[keen spruce]

https://www.tiktok.com/@raccoons.for.adoption/video/7396475625206467846

me and stealthi fr fr

[slim hamlet]

doing allat in prepatch is crazy work

[charred obsidian]

assa onetrick with sub and outlaw roles too. sus

[slim hamlet]

The role and colour is just for PR

[hexed frost]

Bleedmaxxers stay winning

[shy axle]

Serrated Bone Spike. No longer is a choice node with Sepsis. Instead works passively, without having to manually cast it. What does that mean regarding manually cast and passiv? Isnt bonespike still something you have to cast as well as sepsis too?

[charred obsidian]

meanwhile my sudden demise does 0 damage

[slim hamlet]

Passive means it's not an active

So you don't cast it no

[earnest remnant]

spike gets yeeted on rupture casts

[hexed frost]

not enough bleed maxxing

[shy axle]

oh man, thank you

[charred obsidian]

i just feel like my bleeds fall off on longer fights

[hexed frost]

keep up scent stacks and garrotes, and CT

[shy axle]

why does the rotation then say use it? or does use bonespike just mean reapply with the next rupture?

[slim hamlet]

You gotta reapply

[charred obsidian]

and chainpulls on top

[subtle kiln]

We like chainpulls

[hexed frost]

Nelf supremacy

[spice spire]

Tell that fraud!!!

[charred obsidian]

i despise it

[slim hamlet]

You're not even a real dog

[charred obsidian]

i wanna restealth

[spice spire]

Chainpulls good

[subtle kiln]

why?

[spice spire]

More dam

Good

Brain like more dam

[charred obsidian]

less dam you mean?

[spice spire]

Not what ur pops told me

Why would it be less dam

[slim hamlet]

What does that even mean

[spice spire]

More targets = more dam

[slim hamlet]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[dusk salmon]

is there a macro to use ambush when available and mutilate otherwise?

[midnight atlas]

my tank didnt care about more dam, but then i linked him iron wire

[spice spire]

It auto does this already

[subtle kiln]

The game does this automatically

[dusk salmon]

oh :[

[slim hamlet]

Blindside does it automatically and you don't want to use ambush in stealth unless you got deathstalker next patch

[shy axle]

@slim hamlet thank you

[spice spire]

Oh true

I guess it won’t if you don’t run bs

[slim hamlet]

Wait what did I do

[spice spire]

Wondering the same

[slim hamlet]

I will take any glazing tho

[shy axle]

thought you answered me, but it was to the poster above

[slim hamlet]

You use it automatically when you rupture, meaning in aoe opener you can garrote-garrote-rupture(Here bonespike procs on the ruptured targets, giving you full combo points again)-rupture immediately again because of the combo points

[spice spire]

Ain’t reading that essay

[slim hamlet]

Dogs can't even read

[viral stump]

I guess I'm still confused. Cold Blood talent is chosen. So is Inevitability. But I cannot use "Cold Blood" in the rotation (it's dimmed out) and there is no icon choice for "Inevitability" (??)

[fleet pagoda]

a lot of tanks' idea of chain pulling is one mob left at like 20% health and that's not too lit. I think chain pulling in this context is more intended to be moving onto a new pack while the first group is still somewhat healthy.

[slim hamlet]

Because that cold blood is not the same cold blood, the "inevitability" makes cold blood another ability, just with the same name and icon. Maybe check if you have a new cold blood in your spellbook

[shy axle]

is it just baked in in bonespike to procc off rupture or is it a talent i overlooked?

[charred obsidian]

most tank i get pull when mobs are at 20% or more

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[charred obsidian]

never ending fighting

[slim hamlet]

Just read the talent, it makes much more sense

It's fully automatic from when you rupture

[charred obsidian]

i so less damage when this happens every time

[spice spire]

Never ending fighting is good for damage numbers. Means your consistently energy flush and actively bleeding

[fleet pagoda]

that's usually good, yeah. just start transferring your bleeds to the healthy targets over time

[spice spire]

And more envenoms tonpop

[viral stump]

Yeah, the new cold blood is not in my spellbook. Just the original, and that one will not fire.

[slim hamlet]

It is a known bug, I don't have beta myself so that is all I know

[shy axle]

@slim hamlet ty again ❤️

[viral stump]

ok, thank you.

[charred obsidian]

rip IC

[slim hamlet]

Night nelf it up brotha

[charred obsidian]

i play void

[slim hamlet]

(for legal reasons this is a joke, please don't hurt me for suggesting picking a race for the racial)

[normal mist]

Just create a long term friendship with a tank player

[slim hamlet]

"friendship"

sure buddy

[normal mist]

And be like me and my buddy, he always asks "royal, can I?"

[spice spire]

Too late I’m alerting the authorities

[slim hamlet]

My guild tank does that

Instant smash

[normal mist]

I just need 1 milisecond between pulls to re

[royal lantern]

tank players dont even know what longterm means

[slim hamlet]

Yea chainpulling is nice, but a lot of pug tanks legit chain pull when they have 1% hp

[normal mist]

Me and my buddy do hehehe

[royal lantern]

marry him rn

[charred obsidian]

I wanna pull my hair when chains happen lol

[fleet pagoda]

well if you want to do keys where the timer isn't an aesthetic you'll wind up manually applying bleeds anyways. mobs will outlive the ruptures/garrotes

[midnight atlas]

nah, he's going to take half your mounts when you divorce

[normal mist]

We are, it's pretty funny when I'm talking in discord and I have to say something to my gf so I say "yo love can you something and he always answers "yes I can royal"

[slim hamlet]

At least we don't use vanish for max burst dmg now

[balmy condor]

sorry you hate damage

[charred obsidian]

at leasr let me reset my ic pn each pull

[neat plank]

yeah I like that, and I also enjoy KB not defining my entire Overall 😛

[charred obsidian]

i dont get that i literally do less when chaining

[balmy condor]

shit tank idk

[charred obsidian]

on overall almost 100k less

[slim hamlet]

You do less, but the timer goes faster

[charred obsidian]

vs ones who dont

[midnight atlas]

if you play nelf you get an extra vanish in m+

[fleet pagoda]

I won't disagree that 9 bleeds > 3 bleeds, but overstressing on bleeds is probably hurting you more than actually missing them

[balmy condor]

every high end group chains out of their mind and it's basically the whole reason why insert any high end m+ streamer is pumping out of their mind

it's just uptime

[charred obsidian]

on same dungeon and key level btw

[balmy condor]

running between packs sucks ass for damage

[slim hamlet]

Guys why is geoguessr so hard

[neat plank]

been playing female nelf since legion, really tired of the look but addicted to Shadowmeld and running speed ;/

[charred obsidian]

it feels better aswell lol

[fleet pagoda]

I like the flow of it too. I'm just under the impression you're overthinking it on good chain pulls

[neat plank]

I hope they remove Shadowmeld the same way they removed Human rep racial, I want to be set free

[midnight mist]

Details stops detailing when you aren't in combat tho

[slim hamlet]

idk why racials still exists

[charred obsidian]

yeah. thats what i mean. running for ages fightibg a little and never stopping

[midnight atlas]

they keep adding toys to change appearance. when they added the engineering one where you step on it you could be another race 24/7

[balmy condor]

who's holding you at gun point to play shadowmeld

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1270049246980341936/IMG_0891.png?ex=66b24908&is=66b0f788&hm=1ad0faa909ce4bf7897e3e4bcf3e9fbe5f8e372d55529d5d56be26126fb6838c&

wow

raid ruined

[neat plank]

but its not 24/7 with its ultra long cooldown :p

[royal lantern]

easy mode now smh my head

[neat plank]

my mental illness

[charred obsidian]

i like chaning as in getting tons lf mobs in one pack and killing them but not when you pick a few. and then after a while keep running

[midnight atlas]

there was always one in valdraken, or people put them on before a run

[balmy condor]

ah true mb yeah tell every tank to stop chaining immediately

[charred obsidian]

with 0 downtime

[midnight mist]

Ye

[slim hamlet]

dn

[midnight mist]

I mean

Imagine if you could just wait for cds between every pack

You would do infinite damage

[slim hamlet]

You can

[midnight mist]

!

[balmy condor]

true

play full single target build

pull 1 mob every 2 min

insane damage

[charred obsidian]

ez

[slim hamlet]

This is the cooking I have been missing

[midnight atlas]

i've been convinced by the nelf lady in the vanilla cinematic since 2004 to play nelf

[slim hamlet]

based

[balmy condor]

honestly details should keep detailing during downtime

maybe then we'd be rid of this horrid restealth convo

copiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopiumcopium

[charred obsidian]

hm

[slim hamlet]

Isn't that just logs

[balmy condor]

yeah

but no one logs m+

[slim hamlet]

Augmentation evokers do

[fleet pagoda]

[charred obsidian]

i dont see the point in detailing when nothing ia even happening

[slim hamlet]

So every single run is logged

[balmy condor]

yeh tru

[balmy condor]

well the point is when nothing is happening, you aren't doing damage

[slim hamlet]

The point is exactly what we have been talking about

[balmy condor]

and when you're not doing damage, you're not timing the key

lmao

that's the whole thing we've been laughing about

chaining is super good for overall dps

[charred obsidian]

i think we are thinking of different chaining

[slim hamlet]

How did every language besides english agree on Ananas or very similar for pineapple

[balmy condor]

tank pulls 5 mobs, the important 1-2 casters die, tank pulls the 3 shitter mobs into the next pack

repeat

what are you talking about

[slim hamlet]

Well Whispyr

That would be real chaining

[fleet pagoda]

imagine a tank actually pulling like that

[cyan dew]

Guys one question. On the opener I use vanish when garrote is on his last seconds, right? Then on the next 2min vanish should I delay DM and use Vanish before and then pop cds?

[charred obsidian]

the one where yu pull mobs. fight until the mobs have like 20-30%hp and then keep running

[slim hamlet]

Unfortunately pug chaining is "oh I see my whole team has used every CD imaginable, let me pull more even tho we haven't killed shit yet"

[spice spire]

Seems good still

[charred obsidian]

this

is my bane

[slim hamlet]

Still better to chain tbh

If you can survive it

[spice spire]

That’s not a chaining issue that’s a tank awareness issue

[slim hamlet]

Yea but that is 90% of peoples experience with chaining

[balmy condor]

you vanish to reapply garrote but idk what "on his last seconds" means here, but yes, you would delay DM the 5-6 seconds to vanish garrote before the 2 min dm

[balmy condor]

skill issue innit

[slim hamlet]

I say confidently only using my own experience

[spice spire]

I mean yeah I get it. But maybe I’m just different. Pugged most of my keys and didn’t find a huge issue. Just gotta play around it

[balmy condor]

play with better players

[slim hamlet]

It is

[balmy condor]

make friends

find a guild

[slim hamlet]

Doesn't matter when those are the tanks I see until +25 keys in 10.2

[balmy condor]

the mmo part of mmorpg

[cyan dew]

last seconds of garrote (pandemic)

[slim hamlet]

True and real

[charred obsidian]

im not saying one should wsit for cds on every pull but lets kill the mobs first at the very least

[fleet pagoda]

I think it's the univeral experience. the restealth conversations in here are a testatment to that alone tbh

[slim hamlet]

Besides no one in guild pushed and friends are hard

[balmy condor]

then yes

[cyan dew]

tyvm, Whispyr

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's not efficient

[slim hamlet]

Good chaining is much better, bad chaining is just the same

probably

[balmy condor]

having to sit there killing the last 2-3 stragglers is a waste of time

you kill the important mobs, and move on

[charred obsidian]

not that all mobs still alive

[balmy condor]

the unimportant mobs get cleaved down

[charred obsidian]

lol

its fine having a few trashers left

but when everything we pulled are still alive tho??

[balmy condor]

I mean why is everything pulled still alive though

are people not focusing the casters

[charred obsidian]

tank runs away to get more

lol

[balmy condor]

I thought you said the tank runs to get more at 30%

[charred obsidian]

yes when all enemies are still alive

[potent raven]

casualizing the raid smh

[balmy condor]

yeah so why are things being killed evenly

if everything is at 30%, the important mobs should be dead

[potent raven]

that boss felt like it had more mechs in p1 than whole atdh

[charred obsidian]

ask my pug groups

idk what to tell ya

[cyan dew]

whispyr, what's the maximum I should wait on vanish before poping DM?

[balmy condor]

I mean that's your job though

you're the assa rogue

[charred obsidian]

people attack whatever has the highest hp

thats what ive noticed

[balmy condor]

idk man, they aren't ever more than like 10 seconds apart anyway

[charred obsidian]

sometimes im totally alone attacking prio

[cyan dew]

If theyre like 20s (yeah, i'm bad) shoudl I just wait for the next burst?

[balmy condor]

should sync them back up and not be bad

[cyan dew]

hahaha. Ok

ty again

[balmy condor]

find better players then idk

[charred obsidian]

i guess so huh

[balmy condor]

sounds like you're doing follower dungeons

[charred obsidian]

it do feel that way. people doing sub tank damage

[potent raven]

git gud

[balmy condor]

yeh that's just massive pug skill issue

[charred obsidian]

ive had a shadow preiest doibg 120k dps overall on a 12 key

so it has been rough

[fleet pagoda]

standard issue fotm player

[potent raven]

only noobs do 12s so late season now

not unexpected

[charred obsidian]

true that

[potent raven]

lil bit behind the curve

[charred obsidian]

whatever ill try find a guild for m+ next season or something

or expansion this time around

[potent raven]

i did but they dont want me playingmelee if we are pushing

[royal lantern]

Brother

the curve is not +12

the curce is +7 or 8 or smth like that at best

[neat plank]

what % of players would you say engage with m+? :p

[slim hamlet]

30%

Maybe try once like 50%

[royal lantern]

^

[neat plank]

a pretty small amount ;O

[slim hamlet]

Complete guess

[royal lantern]

most players dont do m+ and never enter a raid beyond LFR

[balmy condor]

30% sounds high

[slim hamlet]

Yea maybe

[trail bone]

I have taken a break since the start of season 3. How are rogues looking for TWW?

[slim hamlet]

I still think like 50% try it once

[royal lantern]

and the amount of people that do m+ beyond maximum gear rewards is astronomical small

[potent raven]

wtf are they doing on wow then

[balmy condor]

the same as the start of season 3 but with mediocre hero talents that don't add much to the spec

[balmy condor]

collecting

[slim hamlet]

tmog, mounts, quests, rp, pets, reps

[jaunty dew]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-crazy-talk-crazy-no-gif-7910276

[trail bone]

Well, that is unfortunate.

[slim hamlet]

lfr and dungeon finder

[neat plank]

if I join low keys on a max gear character and make all other dps irrelevant, do they appreciate the carry or are they annoyed by it? ;p

[shy pecan]

Non-zero chance they don’t know

[neat plank]

but then why would I bust my ass to gain power if I can't flex it on others?

[shy pecan]

Huh?

Oh. I don’t know.

[pure moth]

You can flex it, no will care at that level.

[shy pecan]

Yeah. I mean, you’re assuming everyone downloads details. Most don’t even use addons

[vestal cliff]

What ressources would you guys recommend for really getting better at assa and rogue in general? I started with wow at the end of shadowlands and wanted to jump from hero raiding and a bit mythic to CE Raiding and really want to improve.

[cyan dew]

Boys, do I ONLY use tea if I'm not going to cap energy, even in burst? Also, do I wait for Shiv to expire or reapply on the last sec?

[shy pecan]

The wowhead guide covers a lot of sin stuff

[fickle girder]

Boys, Icyveins has us top tier. No bitching

[fleet pagoda]

having a good UI and weakauras to track relevant things like CDs and buffs/debuffs is pretty useful. outside of that probably training dummies and referencing logs

[chilly herald]

Kush and Zerocool own on beta. Quite accurate.

[normal mist]

oh

[fleet pagoda]

grind. play a lot

[normal mist]

no

[vestal cliff]

Is there a way to get help with Logs? Are there people who can help review them or like coaches?

[shy pecan]

I wouldn’t post that stuff in here. Especially when tuning is still ongoing.

[fickle girder]

https://tenor.com/view/katena-sarcasm-tbv-sarcasm-eyeglasses-gif-16424238

[shy pecan]

There’s people in here that will take the bait.

[fickle girder]

[fleet pagoda]

i think there's usually some purple/green name fellas who do coaching/log reviews and such, it'd be in their bios probably? i'd encourage you to learn how to look at logs yourself too and use that information to compare yours to other players. very useful way to learn

[balmy condor]

but what does petko think of it

[shy pecan]

Does he care if it gets him money?

[balmy condor]

I need petko to make a tier list of times to take a shit

that way I can optimize my bowel movements

also a how to breathe guide would be nice

[shy pecan]

Breathing is overrated

[balmy condor]

makes sense

breathing was meta last tier

wasn't sure

[shy pecan]

If you stop breathing, then you don’t have to worry about anything, right?

[balmy condor]

true

[desert cove]

[slim hamlet]

Imma try this

Why we suddenly got so many cat emotes

[desert cove]

better question is why don't we have more

the cat emotes help me cope with the state of outlaw

[nimble zinc]

someone told me that assa is still really stonk in keys, IF the tank lets you restealth between pulls. how often does that happen for you guys tho?

[normal mist]

someone lied to you

Because it does not need restealths for that end

If the tank does proper chain pulling, not dropping combat wont affect your overall pretty much

[desert cove]

even w/o getting more IC?

[normal mist]

Yep, because you can roll from a pack to the next with scent stacks

[desert cove]

ah gotcha

[normal mist]

and just start applying the dots onto the next pack

[shy pecan]

It’s less ramp-up time

[normal mist]

while the previous pack just dies

[nimble zinc]

scent stacks?

[desert cove]

huh

the talent is a stacking talent

get more agi per target ruptured

[spice surge]

Scent of blood

[nimble zinc]

ohhhh

i see

[normal mist]

it FEELS good to go stealth, yes, its FASTER to get everything rolling

[nimble zinc]

so are you like running ahead to the next pack? pulling before tank?

[normal mist]

but that requires you to not be in combat

[desert cove]

no it's just if the tank does chaining

[normal mist]

and if you're not in combat you're not doing dmg

[nimble zinc]

hmm

[desert cove]

if you're in a higher lvl key and chaining is more risky, then you'll get more restealths

[fickle girder]

Just Vanish

[desert cove]

although it depends on meta / gear

[normal mist]

in m+ thats its use yes

[nimble zinc]

yeah but i thought we're not supposed to take the 2nd vanish talent

[normal mist]

and we dont

[desert cove]

it's just there if you need to apply it in a chain pull

[nimble zinc]

so vanish every 2min kk

[normal mist]

because in total you only get like 1, 2 vanishes total from that talent

the whole run

[nimble zinc]

I would think it would allow you to vanish every 1 min, before / after CDs

[normal mist]

negative

their CD isnt independent

[nimble zinc]

interesting..

[normal mist]

so imagine

you use both charges on the first big pack right?

You'll only have 2 charges again in 4 minutes

or...

1 charge every 2 minutes

WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW

[nimble zinc]

isn't Ele sham way higher though? everything else i've seen has it in like top 5 or top 3

[fickle girder]

Don't you dare question Petko

What's wrong with you

[celest ruin]

it got obliterated with the recent nerfs

[fickle girder]

Guys idk man, I think I'm too old and washed for rogue nowadays. Last I played was in Nathria, what do

[neat plank]

are they playing DS or FB in keys?

[chilly herald]

no idea what are these abbreviations, but they play bottom right side of assa tree. kush prefers double vanish, zero prefers Echoing Reprimand with exception Cold Blood in mists

[neat plank]

sorry deathstalker & fatebound :p

[chilly herald]

ah, zero has a whole chat command with all hero talents per dungeon. mostly deathstalker

[neat plank]

interesting, I guess because of evasion+cloak damage reduction ;O

[chilly herald]

coin is too unpredictable from what i saw so far

[formal ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[oak crystal]

!macros

[chilly herald]

I've just started learning assa rogue, doing some ST dummy smashing. I have a question about energy pooling, on opener in particular.
Once we cast Kingsbane we might have multiple animacharged combopoints, 3 charges of Thistle Tea and a lot of energy.
Do I understand correctly that I should do a full send and try to get rid off my energy and Thistle Tea during those window, sending Envenom after Envenom without waiting for the last second? And only pooling energy somewhere outside of cooldowns or when very low on energy?

[vital coral]

yea no pooling during kingsbane

just smash

[balmy condor]

cooldowns are where you do damage, so you want to be full sending it

[native quartz]

i was literally just typing a very simialar question lol

[balmy condor]

you're pooling to be more efficient with resources

[native quartz]

also in what order to you kingsbane, deathmark, shiv?

[balmy condor]

there's no point thats more efficient than in your cooldowns

[balmy condor]

dm shiv kb

[chilly herald]

I played tons of assa in wotlk classic, have a basic idea how to play the spec. We pooled a lot there, but we also didn't have powerful DPS cooldowns :D
Cheers lads

[vital coral]

how do you guys feel with only having vanish now? i tested yesterday and im playing the bleed build.. just not feels the same when you can refresh garrotes and stuff from shadow dance

can't*

also getting that crit window is lost now

[native quartz]

yeah it does feel weird in multi target when youre trying to reapply your garrote and rupture to multiple targets but cant vanish again

[vital coral]

yea it feels really bad tbh

and dont like echoing reprimand ability, would rather have the shadow dance

[native quartz]

100%

[vital coral]

was so easy to pump in aoe

[runic hinge]

After your initial bleeds run out you only need to keep out about 5 to keep up your energy so don’t worry about keeping every bleed on every mob

[vital coral]

yea i know but it was so smooth to do really high aoe dmg like that

combined with sudden demise

[native quartz]

so i raided for the first time last night just in lfr, after my initial rupture and garrote spread in aoe packs i was using fns tto crimson and then spamming envenom is that correct??

fans*

[woeful meteor]

sounds about right

CT in Raid tho

[normal mist]

I want to believe he said raid but meant dungeons

[hearty reef]

i like Ct when it's top row of details

[haughty flicker]

CT ST

[hearty reef]

otherwise yikes

[native quartz]

no i meant raid looking for raid, on packs to bossess and in multi target boss fights

[hearty reef]

[runic hinge]

You are only using ct on 4+ targets rn

[native quartz]

yes

[runic hinge]

Also I don't respec for trash but maybe I'm a bad person

[normal mist]

Waste of time really

[native quartz]

lol i did just because im trying to get used to the aoe rotation

[runic hinge]

That's fair

[native quartz]

i also found myself running out of energy in my single target rotation is that common or am i doing something very wrong

[runic hinge]

That's common

[native quartz]

yikes ok lol

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[native quartz]

by pooling does that mean just holding your combo points?

waiting for energy?

[normal mist]

holding your energy

[mental oyster]

I am also learning Assasination Rogue although I love reading the guides I am more of a visual learner. I tried to youtube videos but stuff seems to be 5+months old. Is there any good visual (youtube guides)

[runic hinge]

You want to always build to 5+ then wait to finish

Whispyr has some guides out

[native quartz]

so if i hit 5 is that good enough to use a finishing move or should i try to get seven every time?

[runic hinge]

5+ is fine

[native quartz]

that might be why im going dry so fast in energy

im trying to fill my points every finishing move

[mental oyster]

ty

[balmy condor]

they're still accurate for live

[mental oyster]

ty!

[cyan dew]

Boys, do I ONLY use tea if I'm not going to cap energy, even in burst? Also, do I wait for Shiv to expire or reapply on the last sec?

[normal mist]

Yes and sure

[cyan dew]

ty

[native quartz]

reapply during cd window is what i read everywhere

[normal mist]

the main focus of TEA going into TWW is using it for energy starvation during shiv

and shiv should cover all of KB

[cyan dew]

Oh. So I can use TEA even out of CD if i'm starved?

[balmy condor]

no

[haughty flicker]

you use tea with shiv now

[balmy condor]

tea is only used during shiv

[haughty flicker]

unless it will overcap energy

[balmy condor]

yeh

[native quartz]

so you can spam envenom as much as possible??

[balmy condor]

two things have to be true to use tea

• you're in shiv
• you're not overcapping energy by pressing tea

[arctic socket]

That’s ALOT of steps to do a little sipping

[normal mist]

sounds like an excel

[vestal cliff]

Envenom spam only in CD , if not in CDs we pool around 80% right?

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[static glacier]

do we have pooling rules for tww yet

[balmy condor]

no

[static glacier]

ibet they're the same or dont matter

[balmy condor]

they're not the same

[static glacier]

but we don't have them yet

[vestal cliff]

I love assa rogue

[balmy condor]

I mean we have an idea

[cyan dew]

thanks, guys.

[balmy condor]

but with some of the outstanding bugs it's hard to tell if we're even going to run sanguine blades to begin with

[static glacier]

ah

[normal mist]

I really want the VV build to come to life xD

[static glacier]

Shame that anything that likes higher energy / cp economy like the hero trees devalues SB

[balmy condor]

2x vicious venoms in place of sanguine blades and improved garrote is probably better but needs some bug fixes in sims atm

[cyan dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

in other news that could be sick

cause vanishing on 5 coins in opener

is lookin really juicy

[spice surge]

Dont think VV fatebound is a thing is it

[balmy condor]

I have faith

[pulsar dirge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[balmy condor]

those tails coins crank

[spice surge]

Ye but VV makes you gain less coins

[balmy condor]

so does sang

idk

copium

[spice surge]

Just skip both of em

[balmy condor]

true

[spice surge]

Coinmaxxin

[runic hinge]

Flip til I die

[haughty flicker]

i trust the cook

[balmy condor]

I don't

I've been fixing dungeonslice for the last 5 hours

I wouldn't trust myself to walk in a straight line

brain is fully fried

[normal mist]

drink a tea and go rest

[mental oyster]

thank you for all you do!

[balmy condor]

np friend

[normal mist]

Don't thank him yet, job isnt done!

[balmy condor]

dinner time soon

[earnest remnant]

dinner?

[normal mist]

I WISH I COULD HAVE A GOOD DINNER SOON

[earnest remnant]

its like 8pm?

[normal mist]

BUT I CANT TASTE FOOD

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[balmy condor]

my grandma wants to play cards after dinner and she eats dinner at 5:45

but she goes to bed at 10

you got me fucked up

if you think I'm playing cards for 4 hours

[austere sorrel]

For grandma?

[normal mist]

no

grandma bad

[balmy condor]

fuck my grandma bro she calls me slurs

[earnest remnant]

so does mine

she funny tho

[normal mist]

maybe same grandma

[earnest remnant]

doubt

[austere sorrel]

Is she old?

[earnest remnant]

define old

[normal mist]

its a grandma

she MUST be old

[austere sorrel]

Does she have a child with children?

I'm just trying to narrow it down..

[haughty flicker]

i think thats a requirement in this case

[blazing jewel]

Stealthi is ancient so she old

[fleet pagoda]

this is the thing I fear most for tww, right now

[balmy condor]

do not fear the coin man

he's like the hat man

but instead of Benadryl it's lottery scratchers

[fleet pagoda]

[spice surge]

Why do you fear the coin

Are you allergic to money?

[earnest remnant]

okay bud

[haughty flicker]

mo money mo problems

and i dont want mo problems

[fleet pagoda]

that'd explain a number of things I reckon

[slate bolt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[unborn wharf]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[blazing jewel]

We’re both old

[arctic socket]

I want a slur sayin grandma

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Dog what

[balmy condor]

Ooo wait I know this one

Dog woof

[balmy condor]

And that one is a cat meow

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/grab-steal-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-24065811

[stark wyvern]

Is assa slow when it comes to using abilities?

[balmy condor]

By design yes

[stark wyvern]

Like 50 apm?

[balmy condor]

Around there yeah

[stark wyvern]

Trying it with poopy gear (idk if thats it) but feels like waiting for energy always

[balmy condor]

Gear helps a bit but not much

It’s supposed to be waiting for energy

[stark wyvern]

So, guessing conserve when hitting close to the 1 min/2 minute marks or just continue to rip

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[shy axle]

kingsbane window is always the same like in the opener right, just sometimes with DM before it and the next one without dm ?

[balmy condor]

Kind of a weird way to think about that but yeah technically correct

[quaint haven]

is shadowed ambush bugged on beta? sometimes it applies mark and sometimes it doesn’t

[balmy condor]

Has to be the first gcd from stealth

[shy axle]

meaning: shiv + tea - kb - build into 5cp+ and env as much as possible, refresh shiv

just unsure if you still time vanish with the last seconds for crit change on kb?

[balmy condor]

You only tea if you need energy during shiv, shiv+tea is not a guarantee

[balmy condor]

No, we don’t play master assassin in single target anymore

[quaint haven]

it is i have it cast sequenced and stopattack, weird

[shy axle]

ah ok thank you, thought you would want the mastery buff up for kb

[stark wyvern]

Shiv is for which windows? I'm guessing wowhead is a better bet to find rotation.

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane

[balmy condor]

Idk then

[high sundial]

Can Garrote crit? Trying to understand "Lethality 1/2 + Thistle Tea" instead of "2/2 Lethality" 🙂

[grand trail]

nice 😄

[spice surge]

Yes garrote can crit

[high sundial]

Thanks

[spice surge]

But not having tea seems terrible

Assuming this is some pvp stuff

[hollow river]

tea's a 100% of the time pick there as well

[spice surge]

Ye well then idk where youve seen 2/2 lethality instead of tea

Because tea is significantly stronger than 1 point of lethality

[balmy condor]

Crit sucks in PvP doesn’t it

[hollow river]

not necessarily

it's nerfed in pvp but still worth especially if the spec has good synergy like assa and combo points

[balmy condor]

I see

[hollow river]

idk how things are in pve

this is sub in pvp rn

[royal lantern]

i mean, makes kinda sense?

[balmy condor]

For assa at least we just want ilvl pretty much

[royal lantern]

haste is a dead stat, mastery makes your BIG hits stronger (and pvp is all about big hits on sub) and vers is just more dmg aswell

[balmy condor]

Just more stat

[royal lantern]

[hollow river]

yeh people put way too much stock into stats, as always

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[limber lion]

smh

[balmy condor]

El Classico

[hollow river]

yeh but vers makes all your hits stronger, including the big hits, and also gives dmg reduc

[royal lantern]

you act as if WoW players would overthink secondary stats

[errant trail]

stat weights vary

[royal lantern]

[errant trail]

literally just check what does more dmg LoL

[balmy condor]

Stat weights

God bless

[chilly karma]

I see the whole right side of Assassin tree with talents for abilities while stealthed. I assume this means we have to constantly use Vanish for Improved Garotte, but question is...so many points for that one ability?

[balmy condor]

What

Improved garrote is a 1 point investment

Shrouded is also a passive, the only thing from stealth you get out of that is combo points

So “whole right side” feels a bit extreme

[crystal nymph]

so we must play with ER? always or double vanish?

[desert cove]

ER is better

[crystal nymph]

in m+? or both raid and m+?

[spice surge]

Double vanish does nothing

[urban heart]

some 1 has a good wk for kingsbane track?

[spice surge]

Its either ER or CB

[spice surge]

Id recommend the premade aura function within weakauras, allows you to easily setup auras for class stuff

[dense maple]

The inclusion of an AoE opener graphic (if correct) makes their guides superior to anything I've seen on Wowhead, IMHO.
I couldn't care less about the AI stuff xdd

But I guess that's an controversial opinion since you guys get compensated for writing guides.

Naturally, you feel threatened.

Not trying to disrespect the work you guys put in btw

[normal mist]

Whispyr, don't feel threatened, i'll protect you

[cyan dew]

Whispyr, my raidbots is saying I should open with garrote > Echo > rup > snd> garrote again. Is this correct? Saw some ppl on logs doing this too.

[normal mist]

thats the opener

but the garrote part

the last part, not so much

since that garrote will be replaced early with vanish, once it hits 6 or less seconds duration

[cyan dew]

yeah, saw some logs with ppl doing the second garrote and was curious why

[normal mist]

That will have to be something for Whispyr to answer then, since the guide is up dated in wowhead

[balmy condor]

I used to make opener graphics during season 1 but the formatting didn't fit anymore. I'm working with our staff to make sure we can get them back for 11.0

using AI for writing is a topic that's beyond a class discord or even gaming in general, so you might care less and that's respectable

copy pasting other guides word for word is simply unacceptable no matter how you spin it, especially for a guild that prides itself so much on internal theorycrafting and secret optimizations to give them an edge

please keep the convo on twitter or in my dms, thank you for your opinion

[cyan dew]

Also saw ppl using ashes 3/4sec after bane, is this correct?

[balmy condor]

no, that garrote at the end isn't accurate and is fixed with tww simulations, prepatch simulations aren't supported and in general sim support is still being worked on

[cyan dew]

oh, got it

[balmy condor]

completely equal to macroing with kingsbane itself. 3/4 sec after bane is an old optimization from season 3 before kingsbane got nerfed

people still do it, and sims haven't changed because it wasn't better or worse to move it

but for ease of gameplay, macro them together

[cyan dew]

thanks Whispyr. Sorry for so many questions today...

[balmy condor]

no worries

I'm dealing with..... other issues.... currently

wish I was in a better mood to help

[normal mist]

You got this man, chin up

[coral arrow]

where can I see the aoe opener or rotation?

[normal mist]

in wowhead

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

be sure to tick the talents you're using

[coral arrow]

but in aoe it's only prio list or am I drunk?

[normal mist]

you have both the opener and the rotation

[coral arrow]

I can't see the opener

OH

Okay I get it now

thanks thanks

[normal mist]

[still steppe]

is there a beta thread for sin rogues?

[runic hinge]

It’s closed now that prepatch is here so you can just post about beta here

[still steppe]

quick question fatebound or deathstalker in m+

[devout mist]

Ill just say this.... i made 650k in tonights raid gambling

So gambling pays off no matter the mode

[spice spire]

Someone is a fatebound main

[devout mist]

In m+ for sure

Raid i might have to go to the "20 bugs per patch" bros next door

[bronze pike]

[lunar pond]

i personally like feldorra, w/e from wag.io. Detached large icon with shiv/envenom coverage and a damage total per occurrence of use (more of a nice to have). Its been updated for TWW, depending on how you sort

[crystal nymph]

cb with envenom right?

even in deathstalker build

[oblique jackal]

Anyone else struggling on what build to pick?

I've been doing a lot of 12 keys

[runic hinge]

I think it’s fun to be able to have multiple builds to play that all work

[oblique jackal]

Mee too but i'm so indecsivie :/

[normal mist]

Just go with the one you have more fun with

[runic hinge]

I played the ap shock build and that feels pretty good

[glass hemlock]

Bleed build for life

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[carmine fable]

Guys have an issue

if i play outlaw my dps sucks

if i play assa every boss destroys me with just 1 spell

what should i do?

[normal mist]

you shouldnt tank as a rogue

duh

But what does one have to do with the other?

[chilly karma]

So for talents and gameplay, if re-stealthing is not your jam, it is not necessary to put all eggs in the basket: Improved Garrote, Master Assassin, Iron Wire and Indiscriminate Carnage?

[rain mortar]

i want to ask a question i feel like im going to get flamed for

because its so dumb

but here goes....

[strange trail]

no question is dumb

[carmine fable]

i want to play something in prepatch (2 weeks left) to push some keys

[rain mortar]

in some keys im feeling like there are times where i was to reapply rupture on a low target when it falls off because sudden demise will kill it faster than an envenom

[spice surge]

You still like starting a fight in stealth and the stealth related talents are way too strong to give up

[normal mist]

You still go stealth, you still vanish, those talents are good

[spice surge]

Even if you only ever use it with vanish

[normal mist]

yeah but, whats the difference between being outlaw and assa on being killed by 1 spell

[spice surge]

The command is more tailored towards people who think assassination is unplayable without getting restealths, which just isnt the case

[carmine fable]

so you are sayin i should play sub?

[carmine fable]

outlaw usually has >50% vers

[chilly karma]

So the initial stealth when pulling a pack is good enough and vanish is just bonus?

[spice surge]

yes

[normal mist]

Assa can have 50% vers as well

[carmine fable]

almost always unless u have some specific motherfuckers to iron wire

[carmine fable]

yeah but i need to do dmg too 🙂

[normal mist]

i don't see why you wouldnt do dmg

[runic hinge]

I have like 30% verse as assa rn

Stats are fake

Get Ilvl

[carmine fable]

im 527 ilvl

25 vers

84 mast

53 crit

12 hast

[runic hinge]

Congrats

[spice surge]

If you want more vers then get more vers

Idk

[normal mist]

thats pretty much it yeah

[carmine fable]

i want to do dmg and not be destroyed in keys

😦

[spice surge]

How much damage do you think you'd lose from going full vers

[normal mist]

You can play assa with outlaw gear

[subtle kiln]

Press feint

[runic hinge]

No. It doesn’t do damage

[spice surge]

Well DF dungeons have tons of shit that doesnt care about feint

[subtle kiln]

Who gives af about DF

[spice surge]

I love singletarget abilities that hit all of my party

[subtle kiln]

Outlaw rogues for mobs.

[carmine fable]

I do it but in bosses like 3rd neltharus one i get destroyed anyways

[rain mortar]

i dont think my dmg breakdown is supposed to look like this....

[hoary remnant]

in a low key yes

sudden demise is insane in low keys

[oblique jackal]

I don't believe bleed build plays well in higher keys

[desert gate]

what build do you normally run in keys? other than SD?

[rain mortar]

yeah the one with SD was a 3, but this is a 7 with the SBS build

[tropic steppe]

Hey so in the pinned messages about pooling rules don't change until we lose our tier set, what are the new pooling rules in TWW? I get the current ones just not sure what we do differently once we lose our set bonus

[balmy condor]

not fully fleshed out yet

[tropic steppe]

Ohhh ok, so its not just me then

[balmy condor]

nah

[tropic steppe]

thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

best idea right now is to take sanguine blades

and then be under 50%

which sounds like it doesn't make sense

and you'd be correct in thinking that

[tropic steppe]

haha yeah you are right im over here thinking we trust this guy to write guides right?

[balmy condor]

but i assure you there's some thought to that

and its cooked

but I'm thinking it kinda can't be that

[tropic steppe]

Love the videos btw, really helped me and im simple

[balmy condor]

so still looking for new ideas

im glad they help!

[tropic steppe]

im a visual learner, so i can read the guides but need to see it actually in practice before I can get why we do things

[raw tusk]

I’m the same way. I need to know why every button is pressed and how it works with everything else and then the whole rotation clicks

[shy pecan]

Tangent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhgwIhB58PA

[raw tusk]

That thumbnail would mean something if I could read

[next spruce]

Same. If I don't know why I'm pressing the button, then I don't remember it

[raw tusk]

Visual learning never helped that

[tropic steppe]

can someone explain the video to me in pictures please.

or if someone can create a tier list of learning styles to really help

[past forum]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[desert gate]

I feel like I should be doing far more dps with caustic, am I messing up the rotation (havent played it in like 5 years)

[errant trail]

[runic hinge]

Depends on how long things are living compared to your kingsbane

[desert gate]

gotchya, I had a fury warr and ret in my party so everything just gets nuked

[runic hinge]

Right so kb is gonna be where most of your caustic comes from so if it doesn’t get to fully stack and have things live until the end your caustic will be on the lower end. Gets better in higher keys

hoi really only has the dragons as good kb targets so that’s only like 3 pulls

[spice spire]

No

[haughty flicker]

ok have a good day

[raw dock]

Guys, Im doing tests on beta. And Im rly confused about Serrated Bone Spike usage

How to apply, when to apply, why to apply

[haughty flicker]

it just happens when you rupture

play like normal and enjoy

[runic hinge]

You can @ them. There is someone with that name in server.

[haughty flicker]

wait really

i feel bad now

[runic hinge]

We can teach them

[raw dock]

Cool

[haughty flicker]

teach tehm to reroll

[runic hinge]

Now now

We don’t need less rogues

There’s only like 7 of us left

[haughty flicker]

tbf its a pvper

so doing better than most pvpers

[red tinsel]

Seem like we got some new people in

[runic hinge]

Yeah there’s been a lot of people using the commands and asking questions lately

[crystal crystal]

fyi, not a huge deal, but there appears to be a bug in the wowhead guide opener logic where if you select CT, spatter, and IC but not SBS, step 3 still references SBS

[pure moth]

Step 3 says "with sbs talented" so this is where rupture would be to get sbs on your target.

[pseudo jay]

played feral since vanilla but going rogue this season. feels great so far. that makes 8 🙂

[rotund oak]

we got a certain person going the exact opposite way

[balmy condor]

That’s intended, I have to do that to make the formatting work

[runic hinge]

why is ambush such a wet noodle

[rare jackal]

hello? based department? id like to file a claim for @balmy condor

[grand trail]

Sending ashes 4 sec in kb always felt like weird interaction to me

Unnatural

[normal mist]

It's some unreal min max to me, I'd forget 9/10 times when to press it

[rare jackal]

i think its cute, you can macro it to KB and be good

or you can do a little min max thing

[normal mist]

But that's an extra keybind for almost no gain in the past (which now it isn't even a gain)

[rare jackal]

nobody forces you to do it

i think its min maxing in its best form

[royal lantern]

sim numbers do

[rare jackal]

real

[royal lantern]

they hold me at gunpoint

(i never did the 4sec thing)

[normal mist]

((me neither))

[rare jackal]

coming from sub it didnt feel like a big deal pressing ashes manually

[runic hinge]

I did until it wasn’t a gain so for basically 2 weeks

[balmy condor]

Yeh at this point there’s no reason to cast ashes manually

But people still delaying it

Muscle memory I guess

[slim hamlet]

8 if you count the mentally well ones

[royal lantern]

we know that you hide the REAL numbers

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[slim hamlet]

Classic Whispyr sandbagging strategy really

Even in prepatch

[normal mist]

He gotta... Before they appear public in another website

[slim hamlet]

[rotund oak]

whispyr echo double agent confirmed

[royal lantern]

nah

purple names are maybe evil and sheme with the lizard people to take over

but not THAT stupid evil that they steal (their own and others) stuff and run it trought a Ai filter

[urban heart]

can't find it

[grim jay]

#assassination message

Thats the guy he means

I guess.

[crystal nymph]

is there any wa to see how many targets have garrote and rupture?

[grim jay]

Dont think so, but its also not really that relevant to track how many have garrote. You just look at the pull and open accordingly, after that garrote has CD anyways, even if you try to spread

Rupture you can track on scent in m+

To some degree

You get a buff with stacks

So you can in theory just make a small WA that tracks that buff+stacks or copy it out of some pack

[crystal nymph]

hmm ty

[crystal nymph]

i just wonder no need that much as you said

[undone flame]

is thare an build for assassin that runs shadowrunner?

[grim jay]

Just remove any node you would want to remove to pick it?

Its kinda useless, so the builds dont tend to have it

[undone flame]

you are prob right i just like haveing it for som reson

[normal mist]

Isn't that the run faster node?

[undone flame]

yes

[normal mist]

Yeah as Davyn said it is pretty useless

Unless you make a build specifically to run faster

[grim jay]

Can move rushed setup there

I guess

[undone flame]

i just like haveing an ez to move faster in duns

[royal lantern]

but in moments where you actually move a longer distance you....mount....?

[grim jay]

What if you cant mount in the dungeon

[royal lantern]

then you all are the same speed anyway and you would wait for the group?

[grim jay]

What if the group is already there because you died

[normal mist]

You Sprint

[grim jay]

What if sprint isnt enough

[normal mist]

You believe in yourself

[grim jay]

Thats a tough task

[normal mist]

Momma raised no weakling

[spice surge]

Shouldve been sub with shrouded in darkness

For an extra sprint

[grim jay]

Wasnt necrotic wake pretty stupid for respawns after the first boss? Cant even remember if you can mount there

[grim jay]

Based

[normal mist]

You could

[grim jay]

Im excited for people hating on that dungeon

Yet again

[normal mist]

I actually liked it

Better than some others

Like the other one in bastion, can't recall the name

[grim jay]

Same.

[grim jay]

Spires

[normal mist]

Exactly

[grim jay]

The only dungeon I hated

[normal mist]

Nothing was fun there

In NW you at least could play with the robots and be cool, in spires, even with the robots, it was just a drag

[grim jay]

Im kinda happy they didnt bring plaguefall back yet

Still ptsd

[undone flame]

were those dun not som of the most dislieked?

[normal mist]

Kinda yeah

[grim jay]

Ngl I probably still prefer all the more recent dungeons

Over anything from before mop

[undone flame]

i didnt like the df duns but i wil admit i didnt play alot after season 1

[normal mist]

I didn't like the DF dungeons overall

But I loved some that were brought back during S1, 2 and 3

[grim jay]

I think df dungeons were fine, except maybe nokhud and

Uh

[normal mist]

Hoi

[grim jay]

Nah I liked HoI

Uldatrash

Thats the name

[normal mist]

Healer skill check was a nightmare

[grim jay]

I atleast always have premade heals

[crystal nymph]

i should use CB with envenom right?

or FoK ?

[normal mist]

Mut or fok should be good enough, or envenom, afaik the important part is being used on CD with one of those 3

[crystal nymph]

thx

[tawny pewter]

Could anybody tell me which one Hero Talent Tree for Assasination rogue right now is most competetive on Beta and in which scenario?
As far as i can analyze it myself, Fatebound looks very strong on ST scenarios, like ST raid bosses and Deathstalker looking better on AOE.

FYI.: I'm totally newbie Rogue, trying to get into that character in TWW.

[normal mist]

Just go Fatebound

If you're completely new to rogue, understanding deathstalker will be a drag

Meanwhile fatebound it's like a casino, but you're the house, and the house always wins

And no the gameplay does not change from what it is now in DF pre patch

[tawny pewter]

I will be preparing this class for Mythic raiding, seriously one in next expansion, so need to know even the most deepest things about it. Would rather learn something hard but comptetive.

[late surge]

deathstalker is like 1% ahead in ST?

I think

[normal mist]

Then you're making the wrong questions

Tuning will be not totally done until heroic weeks

Which means 6/7 weeks of tuning ahead

[tawny pewter]

Of course it won't, the question regards actual time.

[normal mist]

Which means depending on what they randomly decide to do, we either play one or the other

In theory you don't learn to play Fatebound, since you don't control pretty much anything of value, you just play normally

[chilly herald]

I think hero talents matter less than keeping uptime on important bleeds and poisons. I was doing some toddler keys today and yesterday and I'm having issues keeping bleeds uptime for Scent and Sang Blades, which is a massive dps loss

Matters less for beginners*

[normal mist]

Toddler keys = Stuff just melts

How are you having trouble having dots up?

[chilly herald]

Maintaining CT is fine, but having Caut Splat & >=5 ruptures & N garrotes is hard

I set high standards for myself to have 100% uptime on those

[spice surge]

You dont need to have multiple garrotes up, unless theyre applied from stealth

[chilly herald]

As I understood the guides, we want to also have a lot of garrotes up?

Oh

[spice surge]

You should have enough bleeds to fill your energy so you can use a spell every global, and if you have scent you should have 5+ ruptures out

[balmy condor]

it's not like you can really get a ton of garrotes out anyway, you're limited by cd

[chilly herald]

I considered garrote and rupture 100% uptime as important as 100% uptime on corruption and agony for affli

[balmy condor]

definitely not

the main benefit of bleeds is energy

once you have enough energy to sustain yourself for the pull you consider scent or envenom spamming for caustic

[royal lantern]

on ST yes

in AoE no

[chilly herald]

Yeah, I starve on energy and I thought that I don't have enough bleeds up. I understand that stuff melts in seconds in low keys.

Should I avoid playing bottom right assa tree until at least portal level keys?

[royal lantern]

in AoE its mostly

spread wide on pulls with IC active

after that keep bleeds running on important targets for energy

[balmy condor]

should avoid bottom left* for low keys

sudden demise and scent are your friends in lower keys

blindside and dragontempered less so

[grim jay]

But DTB is in the middle

[balmy condor]

okay smartass

[grim jay]

Were you waiting for that?

So quick

[tawny pewter]

Guys, quick question, shall i apply CT right after pre-invi Garrote and Rapture spread and after that SnD, or SnD before CT?

[chilly herald]

Okay. So it looks like:

• spread garrotes and ruptures with IC
• apply and maintain CT (that's ez)
• apply and maintain Caut Splat on main target
• keep ruptures on important targets and don't use garrote, unless restealthed with vanish

Correct?

[balmy condor]

ct before snd ideally but it's 1 gcd across the whole dungeon, makes no difference

[balmy condor]

keep ruptures on important targets and don't use garrote, unless restealthed with vanish
you definitely should use garrote in situations where you need the energy gain, in bigger pulls you typically don't, but for like 3 targets as an example you will need to cleave them

it's all about energy gain

if you don't have enough

you bleed more

[chilly herald]

I see, thanks!

I played most nonheal specs and assa rogue aoe looks quite complex (i love it)

Massive skill expression

[balmy condor]

it is very complicated in aoe yeah

[normal mist]

But feels good once you know what the hell you're doing and manage to pull off the numbers

[royal lantern]

tbf, assa just takes a bit until it "clicks"

and then you dont really think about it anymore

[grim jay]

Thats how we all ended up that way

We dont think anymore

[royal lantern]

never did in the first place

[normal mist]

That's how we know you're cool

[chilly herald]

i'm looking at aoe opener and it says to apply Caut Spat after we apply DM and KB. Is it correct? Wouldn't we lose 1-2 ticks of nature damage? Or it's more important to put big spells on cooldown rather than trying to minmax those ticks?

[grim jay]

There are 2 mutilates before DM for ST, is that the aoe opener site?

Often

Atleast how I do it most of the time

You Mut once before

Right after the IC spread

Before you go into your CDs

Yeah it says the same in the actual aoe priority

Cant screenshot that because wowhead sometimes sucks on phone

[chilly herald]

yeah, that's aoe opener

[grim jay]

Works I guess

[chilly herald]

Yeah, it says in aoe prio, but not in the opener. I was wondering whether it's worth to muti once in aoe opener before doing DM/KB

[grim jay]

@balmy condor did you just forget to add caustic on the aoe opener part before DM or does it sim better to apply after DM kb and shiv?

I usually dont work with the aoe opener stuff in the guide, so I dont know if it was that way before

[balmy condor]

Should be slice mut fok env dm yeah

New formatting sucks on the page

Fixing for launch

Prepatch painge

[raw dock]

Guys, any reason to use Fan of Knives on ST?

[balmy condor]

Not atm no

Depending on deathstalker tuning you would for clear the witnesses but it’s not worth it atm

[raw dock]

Ty

[dark musk]

Are there no assa rotation guides on this discord like the outlaw one? i can only find links to wowhead and icyveins?

[weak isle]

which has the rotations

[wind jungle]

[normal mist]

True

[normal mist]

Your best bet is wowhead

[dark musk]

thanks!

[tardy granite]

Which skill can I best bind Echoing Reprimand to?