assassination

[normal mist]

Minimum

[royal lantern]

(we are far away from eachother, the gap bettwen us is big)

[normal mist]

True

[grim jay]

Not as big as the love

[normal mist]

Rocket?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/couple-kay-lynn-syrin-kay-jessie-james-gif-18187380

(pokemon reference btw)

[normal mist]

(a good one)

[slim hamlet]

100% no doubt in my mind

At least until 2nd week where we get nerfed for the next 3 weeks

[grim jay]

I noticed lately that we kinda are at a point where people dont get those because either too old or too young

[runic hinge]

We are gonna be bis in all content and even if we aren’t it’s all I’m gonna play

[grim jay]

[slim hamlet]

[runic hinge]

Maybe some shadow priest too

Because their visuals are too good

[normal mist]

We are the middle pack indeed

[runic hinge]

But just as an alt

[velvet nacelle]

don't threaten me with a good time

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-traitor-star-wars-gif-16767158544211392703

[grim jay]

Oh he meant gaping

[runic hinge]

Remember that time I saw you in the shadow channel

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

whaaaaaaaaaaaat

You must've been tired

or something

[runic hinge]

[slim hamlet]

I have 0 messages in priest disc

[grim jay]

Yeah its a good spot to be in tbf

[slim hamlet]

(Can you mass delete your messages on a server?)

[grim jay]

How about your second account?

Priest One Trick (no kids involved)
Definitely is your second account

[royal lantern]

btw, leveling a paladin rn in remix

playing it and first thought "eh, idk? its allright?"

then you unlock crusader strike + more holy power on judgement

and holy shit, i get it

i really get it now

why so many people say it plays great

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

That's crazy

[grim jay]

Idk I always die inside each time there is a hammer animation

[royal lantern]

hammers are like, THE paladin thing

idk

[grim jay]

Im not a big paladin lore guy

But

Ret = ashbringer = sword

[royal lantern]

its funny cus ashbringer is the only paladin thing that is NOT a hammer

literally the class icon is a hammer

[grim jay]

Yeah but for me its THE ret thing

So I atleast would like glyphs

[runic hinge]

It’s rogue for kids but it also feels pretty good

[static glacier]

the whole hammer theme is really lame

ngl

[runic hinge]

Smiting your foes cannot be lame

[static glacier]

note I said hammer

[grim jay]

Smiting them with hammers can

[static glacier]

nothing to do with holy magic, vengeance / seeking just retrribution etc

the idea that the class has flying hammers is lame

[jovial jasper]

wtf is this rp shit

[static glacier]

why does divine storm need 4 flying hammers rising up

[jovial jasper]

muh animations

[velvet nacelle]

yeah but throwing hammers has been part of paladins for blizzo since d2

[grim jay]

They should just double down on hammers

[static glacier]

Im sure they could come up with cooler ways of depicting them

[grim jay]

And let them get a blacksmithing bonus

Forging with holy hammers

Remove combat abilities

Profession spec

[ashen plank]

Let outlaw break laws and assassination commit assassination

[static glacier]

https://youtu.be/bwRFRXQTtAQ?t=134 linked with timestamp at divine storm

can you genuinely say this spinning hammer animation is good

[balmy condor]

yes

the hammer aesthetic is sick

[static glacier]

[ashen plank]

Delete rets imo

[grim jay]

The only thing I hammer is my meat

(steak)

[velvet nacelle]

not that anything in this game is particularly hard, but every alt i play i always find boring compared to rogue

[royal lantern]

isnt that just the templar tree

[rotund oak]

[velvet nacelle]

like i feel like there's less to pay attention to

[royal lantern]

drinking game: take a shot everytime you read the word Hammer inside the Templar Paladin tree

[grim jay]

Arcane mage and unholy dk are good alts imo

[static glacier]

also might be a hot take

[velvet nacelle]

i thought monk would be interesting with hit combo but it ends up feeling pretty rotational too

[static glacier]

maces are a ton cooler as far as blunt weapons go than hammers

[rotund oak]

u wanna get drunk rly fast or what? 😅

[velvet nacelle]

unholy dk is ok, i'm not a fan of pet classes really

i guess my metric is "how many weak auras do i need to properly track my priorities"

[rotund oak]

UH Dk is the melee warlock though

just sayin

[velvet nacelle]

and with rogue i'm always like "damn i dunno where i wanna put all these"

other classes i have like... 3

[grim jay]

There even is a no army build now

The new one does enough non pet based damage tho

[velvet nacelle]

feral rogue was hilarious, i was getting 99 ilvl parses with no ui

feral druid*

[grim jay]

Wdym

[static glacier]

summons a zoo / does shadow dmg

[velvet nacelle]

that's a very strong argument haha

[rotund oak]

i mean that it summon so much stuff its practically a demolock in beta

idk if u tested UH but its wicked

[grim jay]

But undead cool, the imps not so much

[grim jay]

Last time ive played you talented into the big abom

So no army

Just a few mages and apoc

[rotund oak]

it can summon magus+army+golem

iirc

[velvet nacelle]

i mean i'm starting the xpac as a rogue, i've mained rogue since vanilla

[rotund oak]

thats was at least previous week

[static glacier]

implosion is top tier spell both gameplay implication and thematically

[velvet nacelle]

but usually blood dk alt

[grim jay]

Can ye but doesnt from what ive seen. You dont play gargoyle and have the 1 big guy instead of army

[velvet nacelle]

agreed, implosion is required on my locks even when it's not "meta"

[rotund oak]

it can differ ig depends if its raid or m+

but its wicked

[grim jay]

Id only play it in m+ anyways tho

I barely raid on non rogue alts

[rotund oak]

i think for raids its even better

imagine PI that snapshots

magus

and all

sht goes nuts

[static glacier]

unholy opener felt a ton better

post-changes

[velvet nacelle]

ugh my dk is only 407 rn

my rogue is only 505

[static glacier]

sudden doom procs giving a magus instead of garg is such a genius idea

[velvet nacelle]

i never get motivated to gear up at the end of an xpac but i usually regret it early

[static glacier]

lets the spec focus on st burst or sustained cleave

[dire ivy]

Last time I checked (s2) unholy opener was a shitshow, no surprise it’s getting better

[static glacier]

youll cap well before s1 opens

esp if you have early access

[velvet nacelle]

yeah but it's kinda nice to not have to worry about gear during the campaign

[grim jay]

The early access should barely do anything for gearing

[velvet nacelle]

and it'd only take a week of dungeons to really get to a respectable ilvl

[static glacier]

he's talking about end of expac gearing

[velvet nacelle]

what are you guys all at now? like 524ish?

[static glacier]

thats only relevant for levelling

[rotund oak]

both FDK and UH felt rly rly nice

[grim jay]

Oh right

[static glacier]

him being bis gear'd end of DF makes 0 difference for tww gearing

[velvet nacelle]

FDK used to be my pvp baby

[grim jay]

528

[runic hinge]

I’m 516 and not farming crests xd

[static glacier]

like 500, played for a week of s4 then quit

[rotund oak]

it doesnt matter,why would u farm anything now

[balmy condor]

I'm like 480 cause I didn't play s4

[static glacier]

ayo you were slacking in s3 xd

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i didn't play my dk in s3 and played like one week of s4

[balmy condor]

idk what my ilvl actually is

[static glacier]

likely 487-488

[balmy condor]

I was bis in s3

whatever that is

[velvet nacelle]

@rotund oak it's really about optimizing my lazy for the new xpac than anything else

[rotund oak]

u will like get higher ilvl gear from the get go pretty much but idk,if u want it for like a lvl or two

[velvet nacelle]

ultimately irrelevant in a month

[grim jay]

Think someone said youll swap out 528 at like the last 2 levels

[velvet nacelle]

@rotund oak naw, usually end of xpac mythic gear carries you to level cap in the new one

or quite near

[rotund oak]

actually no,why are u saying that.DF had a jump in ilvl,quite early

u took the greens

tier set didnt work

trinkets didnt do dmg

wpns the same

[dire ivy]

It usually doesn’t matter what gear you lvling with apart from mby the first few lvls if you are in really bad gear you struggle but since there is 0 rush getting to max you don’t ever need mythic gear to lvl

[static glacier]

open world mobs are a meme

you can kill a mob 100-0 in stun if you want

open cheap > kidney is normally way more than enough

[devout mist]

I leveled recently in DF area with 200 ilvl np

[rotund oak]

yeah it just doesnt matter

[devout mist]

Maybe less even

[velvet nacelle]

yeah you're all right, i'm just overthinking

[grim jay]

Wdym 0 rush, gotta level and gear the alts quick so you can go back to playing smth different

[static glacier]

if you wanna play and gear now go for it

[velvet nacelle]

i liked levelling in sub and just two shotting everything

[static glacier]

don't feel like you have to

[rotund oak]

u could farm tokens in cataclysm

its the most intelligent thing to do

dont even bother on retail

[velvet nacelle]

i'll probably casually do stuff to get back in socially with my guild for now

[dire ivy]

Maybe just play something different from the get go if your goal is to play smth different

[devout mist]

U can death roll your teammatea to get gold for next expac

Must have got at least 1 mil off them so far

[velvet nacelle]

i ended up playing destiny 2 again during s4 but i'm kind of done grinding everything i missed out on during my destiny 2 hiatus so might as well wow it up a bit

[grim jay]

I mean leveling is boring and if there is no m+ or raid, what you gonna do

[static glacier]

Im over 6m in debt from rolling

im not paying it but im also never rolling again

[dire ivy]

Yeah that’s why I said there’s 0 rush.

[static glacier]

yes, I did lose 6 death rolls in a row

[devout mist]

Had a officer buy 7 tokens after he lost 2 1 mil roll to GM

[static glacier]

with double or nothing

[velvet nacelle]

@dire ivy i kinda suffer from the sam ething though, i feel this need to race to level cap then gear cap then i sit there waiting for everyone else to catch up heh

[static glacier]

expac launch is a buy 1-2 tokens angle and use those to make goldcap

[royal lantern]

i never do those gamble rolls btw

[rotund oak]

gigachad

[static glacier]

tbh I could just buy goldcap

[devout mist]

If u dont pay there rly isnt a point to deathrolling

[rotund oak]

just play 3 weeks in cataclysm

u will do 3-4 tokens

[velvet nacelle]

i actually spent gold in df... i came in at like 3m total and i think i'm at like 2.7m now

[rotund oak]

call it a day till launch

[grim jay]

I gotta be done with everything on 12th sep because theres a different game releasing that I wanna play a bit before m+ and raid opens

[velvet nacelle]

usually end up making a profit without really farming for gold

what releases?

[royal lantern]

started at 300k, end at 600k

[devout mist]

1st week of DF with enchants being 120k and a lariat 500k or some shit

[static glacier]

goldcap from wowtokens is £457

[devout mist]

Df was a money sink

[static glacier]

actually not that bad

[devout mist]

[grim jay]

Sounds cheap

Actually

[dire ivy]

I mean there’s nothing bad about it but if the content you play for doesn’t come out in multiple weeks there is no need to lvl fast just cause fomo

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, i think most of the gold i spent in df was s1

[rotund oak]

im only buying the epic version of each expansion,rest i just generate ingame

jsut need to be methodical

[static glacier]

would take 27 tokens on eu

na is more expensive

[devout mist]

If u rly care about making gold fast. 1st month of an expac just boost. M+ or raid

The prices are crazy

[dire ivy]

S1 DF and s1 SL were such a gold sink. Or if you were a profession guy a gold mine

[devout mist]

I made 3 mil in 2 weeks

[grim jay]

NA has more cash anyways

[static glacier]

highkey, if goldmaking is slow this expac it's better for me to buy tokens and just work overtime

[grim jay]

Same

[velvet nacelle]

i've come to the same conclusion

[grim jay]

Only time I could be more efficient is boosting right at season start

[static glacier]

my take on the early access is it's broken for profs + goldmaking

doesn't matter for anything else

might even racechange for prof efficiency

[willow rapids]

Ye still have like 4m after having bought D4 and TWW with gold from profs

[rotund oak]

ive worked normally but didnt rly gave time on DF,expansion sucked.Did what i wanted to do in pvp and i was done.Played cataclysm,made 13 tokens,now im bored farming tokens there,called it a day

[jovial jasper]

and the qol of being able to do your leveling on the weekend

[rotund oak]

testing beta stuff

[fallen arch]

I still have 5 million gold left from SL s1 lol

[grim jay]

Thats imo the biggest thing

And the reason why I wouldve bought it if I usually werent going to anyways

[jovial jasper]

i categorically refuse to take time off for a launch so its massive for me

[devout mist]

Leveling will take like what. 10h if u go full immersive RP experince

And 4h if u yolo

[grim jay]

More like 7

[jovial jasper]

need to max 2-3 chars

so

2 days ish

[fallen arch]

'need'

[willow rapids]

Each char after 1st gets extra 5% xp, up to 25%

[jovial jasper]

yes need

i need

[grim jay]

Getting main + alts and adult things done on weekdays aint much fun

[rotund oak]

get the early 3 day access

be a chad

[dire ivy]

I refuse to give blizzard more money through expansion packs, only buying tokens or transfers if boosts don’t make enough

[rotund oak]

lvl up alts like a boss before everyoen starts

[devout mist]

I gave up on alts and its the best decision i ever did

[grim jay]

Yeah ill probably do 2 on the weekend and 1 afterwards

[static glacier]

do you just play othe rgames / do other stuff when ur in raidlog portion of the patch?

[arctic tusk]

when do wow tokens increase in prrice

on xpac release?

[jovial jasper]

got the giga expack and blizz sent me the collectors edition on top of it

[fallen arch]

As soon as a game starts to feel like a 2nd job or a chore you should reevaluate life's choices imo

[jovial jasper]

very easy

[velvet nacelle]

yikes

[devout mist]

Exactly

[velvet nacelle]

only 270k dps at 507

[rotund oak]

ill have my mage and my hpally most likely served for dinner by the 3rd day

[jovial jasper]

think of it like this

[grim jay]

Think they usually go lower at the start

[velvet nacelle]

with no idea what the current rotato is

[static glacier]

depends if more people have a ton of gold to buy gametime or services then or if people buy tokens to buy consumables for new expac raid etc

[jovial jasper]

i play a bit more at launch grind it out done with prog in a month

if even that

i dont have to play with bad players

and i dont have to play wow more than once a week for the next 6 months

because anything thats not prog is not fun

its a win win if u ask me

[fallen arch]

prog for me is the opposite of fun

[rotund oak]

exactly

why prog would be fun

[devout mist]

Whats that got to do with making 4 alts

[velvet nacelle]

@jovial jasper yeah i agree, prog is really the part i enjoy most, i hate farm

[rotund oak]

u wipe and lag endlessly

[grim jay]

Still dont know if I wanna go with arcane, ww monk or warrior as 2nd alt

[devout mist]

Prog is fun, farm is fun for 2-3 weeks

[jovial jasper]

if you're in a good guild there will be an alt requirement except for individual anomalies

[fallen arch]

prog is fun when the entire group has the same skill level, which is not the case usually

[devout mist]

After thay its shit

[royal lantern]

what

what is a "good guild" in your opinion

[rotund oak]

idk,arcane is reasonable.Im doing mage 100% coz i wanna lvl up enchanting/tailoring and hpally for arenas

[royal lantern]

cus that sounds kinda like a shit guild, ngl

[grim jay]

Can also just have funny guildmates

[fallen arch]

prolly like top 100?

[devout mist]

Afaik even instant dollars required u to have 1 alt?

[fallen arch]

yes, I do that. But can't say all nights are fun

[velvet nacelle]

i don't consider second or third kill farm really, just because you figured it out finally, but when people start memeing mid fight i dont' wanna play

[jovial jasper]

ID has like 6 alts

lmao

[devout mist]

Only echo liquid go for 15

[fallen arch]

Because when the hunter gets hit with a mechanic u wipe

[jovial jasper]

minimum hof

[velvet nacelle]

but watching the group get progressively better, eventually overcoming the challenge, that's the fun for me

i don't like easy content

i have a group of friends that's currently running 2-4 keys at 525

i can't play with them

it's so insanely boring to me

but they love blasting content

[grim jay]

Yeah arcane pretty fun aswell. For monk I always have that fist of fury turn off and for warrior its mostly arms being shit often

[devout mist]

By that logic isnt a 4th kill farm?

[velvet nacelle]

@devout mist usually, but some fights take longer to really master... like i don't really have a set number of kills to what i consider farm, it's the feeling with the group when they stop taking it seriously

sometimes it's literally just one kill and then we go into meme mode

i don't like playing in meme mode

[rotund oak]

i think fury is the warrior way now.Thunderclappin stuff

[devout mist]

Anything after u get your WR is meme mode

[grim jay]

Yeah as its most of the time

But fury is zZzZzZ

[rotund oak]

outlaw autism territory 😅

[royal lantern]

thats not "good"

thats "literally 0,1%"

y'all gotta chill a bit with your bubble vision

[jovial jasper]

nah thats the minimum cutoff of "good" because you do real bosses etc

everything below it is training wheels content

[worldly sail]

wrong, only echo and liquid do real bosses

[royal lantern]

(and high WR is 99% just spamming raids like crazy 5 days a Week anyway)

[royal lantern]

cant tell if younare serious or joking

the WR brainrot is deep in some people and its hard to tell Sometimes

[dire ivy]

Im around wr 600 rn and gotta say sometimes you can get mad when a easy boss takes too long, had a banger experience of a guild for 2 season where we could be stuck on a heroic boss (we didn’t) and I wouldn’t mind. Sad that it broke apart

[jovial jasper]

ofc im serious lol

[grim jay]

[static glacier]

the angle is you give no shits about anything or anyone in the raid

ignorance is 100% bliss in wow

[jovial jasper]

like dont get me wrong theres also bad guilds in hof (raiding 5d to barely get top100 or so) but anything below the hof range is usually such nerfed content that the guilds and players down there just dont exist in the same dimension as the ones above them

it is what it is

[royal lantern]

yeha, get some help then, cus thats some really deep rotted brainrot then

thats some league of legends "you are not actually good if you are challenger" shit

[static glacier]

everyone operates at different standards, it just looks hella brainrotted from our PoV

[royal lantern]

espacialy in frking wow, where TIME is the #1 thing that dictates the "ranking"

[static glacier]

but if you're a permanant starter in echo or liquid bottom end HoF players might look weak to you

[jovial jasper]

this

almost any player in echo or liquid would be the best player in any other guild

[static glacier]

as dumb as it is for them to then talk about it to the general public

[jovial jasper]

or among the very best

and i mean time only gets you so far lmao

[dire ivy]

Yea I stopped talking unless someone speaks to me or I have to call out something but being stuck on sennarth because people get dragged down you are kinda like „why am I still here just to suffer“

[jovial jasper]

most guilds raid 2d or 3d regardless of wr

[grim jay]

Idk I dont think its a matter of pov at that point. Some things are arguably right or wrong

[static glacier]

I start randomly swapping specs pull to pull if it doesn't matter / listen music and zone out

im infamous for it in my guild

they'll be yapping between pulls then 60 pulls later im like when did you say you wanted us to do x

[grim jay]

There are many people playing outside of HoF that are incredibly good at their class/spec

That just decide to raid lower

Or dont have the time

[static glacier]

problem is a lot of the raidfight doesn't actually concern you beyond what you can do to affect it

shit like dispells

[dire ivy]

Ye

[static glacier]

sure, but i'd also bet the rwf schedule would break most of us / them

[grim jay]

Yeah because they dont have that kind of time

[static glacier]

I think rwf is more a marathon than a sprint

[grim jay]

Or dont want to invest that

Doesnt mean they are worse

[jovial jasper]

rfw is a lot of mental

wow is not mechanically a hard game

[static glacier]

im fairly sure the outright best quality ever gameplay was probably not from the rwf players in quite a few cases

[jovial jasper]

but if u have the brain to be a r1 player for 14h+ a day

[royal lantern]

it just sounds like some giga egocentrical shit tbh

"everyone bellow me is bad" is such a bad take overall

[static glacier]

just the players who are at that level might not be able to do it for 10+ hrs a day 7 days a week

[grim jay]

That is true as mistakes often get pointed out there

But noone is perfect

Anyways

Its a lot of information flowing in keeping up with specs and raid

Its just like rio

[jovial jasper]

how do you define that

because in an overwhelming majority of cases the actual rank 1 logs for every boss are private logged by top10 guild players

[grim jay]

There are many top end m+ players that arent really that good comparatively, they just have the time to spam

[static glacier]

not talking strictly logs

talking moreso individual gameplay that is very beneficial towards progress / the kill

[grim jay]

By that logic there are many 0s by top10s private logged aswell

[jovial jasper]

in that case i think ur severely underestimating the echo players

[normal mist]

Aka sacrificing DPS to do mechanics no one else wants to do

[static glacier]

note the language I used

[jovial jasper]

almost everyone on that team is legitimately the best player of their class in the world

[normal mist]

(sarka bombs)

[jovial jasper]

and the 2nd best player is probably in one of 5 guilds below them

[static glacier]

that's quite hard to quantify

I'd argue in the rwf format that it's probably true

[jovial jasper]

the one who plays the best in the hardest form of content is the best

[static glacier]

but on a 6 or 9 hour schedule I wouldn't be surprised if a lower ranked guild had a player of better quality

[jovial jasper]

its quite simple

[static glacier]

that can't / won't commit to rwf schedule

[dark token]

Not true

Rwf is like 80% skill 20% schedule/commitment

[grim jay]

Idk if id go that far, they have way different requirements than being the best at their class or spec

[dark token]

Its quite possible there are more skilled players who don't want to do that

[grim jay]

They are obviously one of the best in their respective role

[static glacier]

btw in general I'd say most of the best players for their class are likely rwf, but it doesn't mean ALL are

some of these top 20-30 guilds with v low prog time / pull count

probably have contenders

https://guildranks.com/#killorder

[dire ivy]

Im pretty sure if you are the best of your class it wouldn’t make you a quality contender for rwf, there’s so much more then just you playing your class

[jovial jasper]

there are definitely people in like ethical thps project

who are very very very good

that i will admit

[static glacier]

I think a massive thing is mentality and flexibility

lorgok for example ran into issues with the latter, only really specialising in boomie

[grim jay]

Definitely

[grim jay]

Yeah thats the thing. You need to be really good at swapping and playing different classes even

Often

[static glacier]

otherwise ur riding the bench if ur spec doesn't hit the tuning lottery

[dire ivy]

Ye I know a wl who is crazy when he actually plays but whenever he gets 2-3 targeted mechanics in a row he’s playing worse the entire evening , can’t have that in a rwf

[static glacier]

and orgs won't want to pay you to sit the bench

[static glacier]

bro has league of legends style tilt in wow lmao

[dire ivy]

He’s not really mad, he just gives up at that point

Meaning he thinks he’s not gonna get a good kill anyway so he’s not squeezing out everything he can

[grim jay]

Its kinda like League, where you rarely see onetricks or actual "best insert champ player" people in pro play

[static glacier]

this game 2 mentality is genuinely an illness

it also ignores how rng wow is

i've had fights where I played shit dps-wise and still got a pink parse in mythic

people really over-value how much their performance matters being 1 of 14 dps

[royal lantern]

look at the boss hp bar

divide it by 20people

6 of those people do 50-70% less then the rest

thats your % impact on the boss HP bar lol

[dire ivy]

Can’t really divide by 20 but im sure we get the point

[static glacier]

it's very rare that an outcome changes bc someone had an individually better / worse pull in terms of log outcome

e.g our first sark kill I completely missed breath of eons on 1st set of adds in p2 sark

didn't change the outcome of the boss at all

but did fuck my own log up to like 74

[royal lantern]

its why "boss at 4% hp left and everyone but 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps are dead, KILL IT" never really works

people see 4% and go crazy, and forget how much 4% on a boss for 20players is compared to the numbers a single guy pulls

[quiet oar]

Dps doesnt matter for Most guild anyways

[royal lantern]

yeha lol

[quiet oar]

Because many dmg checks get nerfed fasf

Or gear aquiring is fast

[grim jay]

Yeah its probably more of a gearing thing even

[dire ivy]

I have grey logs on echo and sark just cause It was like my 5th pull as Range and I had to look at timers way more lol

[grim jay]

Like the average CE guild is many ilvl higher than rwf or even Hof guilds

[quiet oar]

If they kill it in the first week

Ye

[royal lantern]

eh

rwf yes, HoF not really

gearing is stupid fast rn

[grim jay]

Ye sure, was just talking about anything up to the last few that usually dies fast

[royal lantern]

a guild that kills the endboss 6months into a patch has the same gear then a guild had 4months before them

[quiet oar]

Like echo did have 5 ilvl less ok fyrakk than the average guild

[snow kindle]

hof is more like some players are missing big pieces but still have ilvls

[urban saddle]

for the chromatic essence trinket what stat do you use in m+ ?

[grim jay]

Dunno why youd want to use that

But

Its a sim thing

[urban saddle]

I saw zerocool use it idk

[grim jay]

[urban saddle]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-4-post/11350241-21-ruby-life-pools

[grim jay]

Ye I dont doubt that he mightve done that

But again, sim question, because not everyone thats the same stat amounts

[urban saddle]

then what's the go to for m+?

[grim jay]

And also they used it with 4 people

[urban saddle]

for trinkets I mean

[grim jay]

Ashes + grief or neltharions, probably would still stick to grief

[urban saddle]

double actives

[balmy condor]

ashes + grief yeh

only reason to even consider essence is cause his group is coordinating 4 of them

he's taking whatever buff they don't have covered

[grim jay]

They dont interfere with eachother as long as you watch your DM cd

And you macro ashes anyways

[spice surge]

Saying aug hooks got fixed week 2 is just straightup lying though. It took them almost up until s4 to fix most of it. Sure they fixed spatter early, but any damage to shields would steal literally everything (so tindral/fyrakk), and damage amped by boss mechanics just reattributed the base damage (so tindral/gnarlroot/smolderon)

So any spec that got aug buffed for shields or damage amps looked significantly better on logs than they shouldve

[fluid glade]

sin rogue is back

[static glacier]

@balmy condor while I do agree prenerf sin was too good in general without pi my question now would be why did sin get the 2nd set of nerfs in s3 while they left sub when the performance was similar

[fluid glade]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-fortnite-fortnite-dance-griddy-peter-griffin-griddy-gif-10709608781999106611

[static glacier]

I don't think they ignore pi when making tuning changes

[grim jay]

Whispyr is typing menacingly...

[runic prairie]

Whispyr is typing menacingly...

[static glacier]

get ready for the wall

[runic prairie]

my body is ready

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/god-help-us-holy-trinity-cross-blessing-vinny-gif-13920130

[runic prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-3094746547306242594

https://tenor.com/view/keyboard-type-fast-jim-carrey-speed-typing-gif-12747003

[grim jay]

Its you that needs to be ready

Or eleem

[runic prairie]

inb4 its one sentence

[hidden herald]

!weakauras

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hidden herald]

ty

[grim jay]

Something similar happens if hes really holding back

[static glacier]

whispyr knows he can be mean to me

[grim jay]

Because he deletes stuff and words it differently

[static glacier]

ngl the whole aug hooks topic is turbocringe in general

feels like some zeitgeist invisible force that's always there

[grim jay]

Now you are just saying nice things because you are afraid

[static glacier]

what's the worst that could happen

tbh I think this is an eleem response

[grim jay]

Idk, hes german american, could be plenty

[static glacier]

my point doesn't take this long to answer

[grim jay]

Dont wanna imagine

[runic prairie]

let him cook

[midnight mist]

[grim jay]

He could also obliterate us because we already talk about this again

[midnight mist]

Typing a 20 paragraph message is scary ngl

I would have sent 50 one liners instead

Rapid fire

[grim jay]

Real outlaw gamer

[midnight mist]

Ye

That's how you increase your APM irl

[static glacier]

go eyebeam a 3 sentence response smh

[runic prairie]

hes gearing up for the 1 shot

big dam

[static glacier]

better hope this kingsbane whispyr is cooking gets parried

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Might ruin generations

[rotund oak]

im getting anxious ngl

[static glacier]

yeah this has gone on too long

https://tenor.com/view/water-balloon-cry-boy-child-fear-gif-24749838

[grim jay]

More exciting than movies over the last 5 years

[runic prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/crockpot-americandad-steve-funny-gif-5756465

[static glacier]

i mean the worst is he bans me from the server, it can't be much worse than that

im safe

[grim jay]

As I said, german american

[static glacier]

im safe

[grim jay]

You never know

[static glacier]

[runic prairie]

revokes your rogue card, never playing ever again

time to switch mains

[static glacier]

I've had people tell me rogues have x personality trait and that im not a real rogue despite multiple CEs on rogue

what defines a rogue is very esoteric

lowkey maining mage or dk would probably be better than rogue anyway

[grim jay]

What are the characteristics that got mentioned tho?

[static glacier]

tl;dr is they're jerks

idk how much of it is based in reality vs conflating class fantasy with people who like pressing mut mut > envenom

[grim jay]

Did you show some of our wholesome chats?

[balmy condor]

And that’s true but it’s there’s more data available than those specific situations. They don’t have to use wcl overall, or smolderon, or even be accurate to the 0.001% of how much Aug actually is impacting the spec at any given point. I’m fighting the argument that they “ignore” things like Aug/PI completely, not that they are tuning is perfectly accurately. They’re more than capable of looking at logs and going “yeah sub is like 15% ahead on smolderon, but that’s cause of dust”. Sub doesn’t get nerfed because it’s crazy overperforming out of character on a fight where abuse is possible, the same way sin doesn’t get nerfed because it’s doing more shield damage. At MINIMUM, they look at stuff and go
“ah, well PI is 5%, so that’s probably around where it should be on logs, not every rogue is getting it, it can be abused on stuff, let’s call it 4%”
Or
“Well, Aug hooks aren’t working on shields (this specifically would hurt a ton of specs and kinda ruin the whole “X spec got nerfed cause of Aug, especially with double Aug groups you’d be buffing a shit ton of other burst specs at the same time but whatever that’s not even the point here). Aug hooks not working on shields, okay how much shield damage is happening, it’s probably X% from Aug, let’s call it 3% on a bigger data set”

And then they take those numbers and factor it in, because that’s what their job is lmao. You can’t do a 3% aura nerf if you’re just ignoring pi being at least 2-3%.

AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, the community goes fucking ape shit regardless and will completely abandon specs over a 5% nerf anyway so they’re usually conservative with their tuning in the first place and under-do it a lot of the time, which also means that they gotta come up with a number, and then be a little generous with it. It’s not an exact science in any way, but thinking they don’t eyeball and estimate and think about stuff that the entire community screams about ad nauseam for half a decade is absolutely insane and I can’t be convinced otherwise

[royal lantern]

"rogues are assholes" according to many people i saw in guilds lol

[midnight mist]

holy

[grim jay]

It dropped

[royal lantern]

whisper wall of text flashbang

[runic prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[static glacier]

my past rl was convinced that rogue disc is the worst one

he then "proved" it by flaming the welcome or intro page that wasn't super updated, people will believe what they want - regardless of the quality of Tc or discussion

[balmy condor]

oversight

[safe wigeon]

!plater

[balmy condor]

thats okay lil bro I wasn't talking to you anyway

[safe wigeon]

!profiles

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[safe wigeon]

ah thanks

[static glacier]

I remember talking to shiennar on that day too and all

[fluid glade]

https://tenor.com/view/lilbro-lilbrogocrazy-holyshititshyperspeed-gif-19026211

[static glacier]

#wow-general message here's the link to the messages

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1266402164704673833/1.png?ex=66ac44ac&is=66aaf32c&hm=789763018b8436d0d10d46fe28fc064ec94c333d9902b2e518a605d1861a58b0&

last thing i shared from RH into guild discord

[grim jay]

Its kinda based

And wholesome

Because thats called helping the community

[static glacier]

trust

[spice surge]

@balmy condor 📈 They fixed zoldyck not working with VV, shiv still not working though

Slowly but surely

The tyrannical reign of improved garrote will come down

[balmy condor]

Holy

Wasn’t it mastery though

I thought it worked with shiv but not zold/mast

[spice surge]

Nah its the opposite, mastery works but not shiv

[balmy condor]

I can’t keep up

[grim jay]

Maybe they fixed one and broke the other

[spice surge]

It didnt change

Dashing seems to work ingame now atleast, still fucky in sims

[steel ridge]

VV stonks soon?

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1268521013075902575/IMG_0146.png?ex=66acb9c1&is=66ab6841&hm=0edcf4881f438fbfe74a7c6fc0671f87bfddb9dcbb5885532073e0aae1f16bb0&

[grim jay]

Who ever posted that needs to touch grass asap

[willow rapids]

Is it socially acceptable to slap that person?

[lone parrot]

its socially encouraged

[vagrant hinge]

How assa sounds in raid in tww ? I talk only in term of gameplay, still same as now ? KB ftw ?

[rotund oak]

this is some next lvl of cringe

[balmy condor]

very similar yes

[hidden herald]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[tawny junco]

Little question

Are all the changes that are getting applied in TWW beta getting applied in prepatch as well?

[normal mist]

That's a big question

[spice surge]

No

[tawny junco]

alright

[balmy condor]

beta is beta, prepatch doesn't get tuned

It would be very surprising if we see more changes on prepatch

[subtle kiln]

They’re busy figuring out where they fucked up with the prepatch event.

[tawny junco]

Ye it seems underwhelming and not fun

[subtle kiln]

neck and neck with rogue hero talents.

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor did you record something for us mere mortals about yesterday changes? 👀

[grim jay]

Did you try looking at his yt channel?

[subtle kiln]

or the pins?

Like, follow, subscribe and turn on notifications for all your assassination rogue menty b updates.

[gusty mirage]

Thanks I hate it

What a terrible morning to have eyes

[subtle kiln]

I posted it in guild for our Aug.

[grim jay]

I never have good mornings

[gloomy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

[grim jay]

Because you usually are only around later

[normal mist]

It seems that yesterday's changes were just everything that was changed up until now, the only thing that effectively changed was DS mark is now affected by mastery

[grim jay]

I think he just wanted to watch a video about it

But didnt take a look at the channel

Or the pins

[gusty mirage]

What’s DS

[grim jay]

A dose of Whispyr entertainment basically

[normal mist]

Deathstalker

Sorry was typing in a rush

[gusty mirage]

What’s a deathstalker? I only know poopstalker, deathstinker, and poopstinker

[normal mist]

You got me

[gusty mirage]

I was also hoping you’d hit me with a Deez nutS

[grim jay]

I can hit you with deez nuts

[normal mist]

Too sick for that

[gusty mirage]

Do it pussy you won’t

[normal mist]

Can't think properly

[gusty mirage]

Hope you feel better king

[grim jay]

You are always sick

Sickest CF around

[grim jay]

Im too young to actually hit you with em sadly

[grim jay]

Is that yours? Kinda looks like snoop dogg after smoking one or two

[gusty mirage]

No

[normal mist]

It's the first time I've been sick xD

[grim jay]

Dang you really are ill

You didnt get what I mean

Get well soon king

[cedar hare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

Thanks man, working has been hard like this

[weak isle]

what stats does a wa pack need to be on this list?

[grim jay]

I always decide to not stay home. I dont have anyone doing my work if im gone, so its kinda more work to stay at home in the end

[grim jay]

Needs to be rogue discord approved

[normal mist]

SAME

[weak isle]

ah i see gotcha! thanks

[grim jay]

Think its like, if people like it and the person maintaining the stuff, like Whispyr for sin, thinks its a good addition, it gets added

[weak isle]

fair enough, also think being active here helps a lot, guess my absence since S1 with the dungeon guide ripped it but my aura was still pumping numbers for some reason

[static glacier]

just dm the people in charge and link them the aura

[weak isle]

can do, feels a bit forced, was just wondering if it had any requirements.

[normal mist]

I know that Lisonna works really well with WAs and knows a lot about how they work

If that aura you did (I have no idea which one it is) is really good and you feel like it's legit a "you should use this", I'd say talking to the purple boys in DM first could be a good first approach

But I'm the guy who doesn't use pretty much any WA so what do I know really 😂

[weak isle]

gigachad

[normal mist]

What's your WA about?

[weak isle]

its a pack for all 3 specs

group basically

[normal mist]

Like afenar and others?

[weak isle]

yea

im gonna out pace lux

[normal mist]

I wish I was more well informed to know who lux is, I only know these ones and barely

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

Oh luxthos

Right

[weak isle]

lux = luxthos

ye

publik is also up there with a lot of views etc, but already passed him

except his assa pack

[normal mist]

If that's the case, I'd really just DM a purple boy and have a good talk

[weak isle]

isn't that just forcing myself into it

idk

[normal mist]

Depends

[weak isle]

i did start the question ofc so fair enough

[normal mist]

If you feel like and can show that your work (which is probably free) is a must for Rogue players, and your whole purpose is to help the community, I don't see it as a bad thing

[royal lantern]

• our purple namea love pings

espacially koffing

[normal mist]

NOT PINGS

Dms!

XD

[royal lantern]

[weak isle]

ye doubt that

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

[subtle kiln]

[nova aspen]

[midnight mist]

send wa @weak isle

[ebon notch]

Pooling practice tool??

I’ve never seen that before

[grim jay]

@shrewd night likes some force

(ive heard)

[weak isle]

ive heard not to ping them

[weak isle]

dm or here?

[midnight mist]

just here

[weak isle]

https://wago.io/Hy9eKKV47

[grim jay]

Immediately zac approved because the outlaw screenshot is up front

[midnight mist]

i have never seen that wa actually

[grim jay]

Does it actually overlap ingame or is that just because of the preview

Like on rupture for example

For sub

[weak isle]

wdym?

the rupture starts jumping when not active

[weak isle]

ye basically screenshotted it

mid jump

[grim jay]

[weak isle]

been maintaining it since legion

i should update those screenshots LOL

[grim jay]

Maybe. People just assume it overlaps like that because they dont know it just jumps

[weak isle]

yea will do after i kill razs

[midnight mist]

why do you have 9 cps

[shrewd night]

Get pranked dummy

[weak isle]

in the group u mean?

[clever sapphire]

preaparation for 12.0 and 13.0

where we get 1 more cp each time

[blazing jewel]

Is cat fun

[royal lantern]

the legion 10 CP talent was a glimpse into the future

[shrewd night]

Time will tell

[blazing jewel]

[grim jay]

You call it a prank, but now I am a branded criminal

[weak isle]

lazy and unfamiliar on how to fix it, with different finisher rules in mind etc

[tawdry root]

Sudden Demise is supposed to essentially finish off targets, right? I.e. low enough health + high enough bleed.

[grim jay]

Basically yes

[tawdry root]

Is there a known bug with it? Mine is consistently not finishing off targets. Edit: It was timewalking/scaling.

[grim jay]

I mean it kinda needs to get to "tick"

So if there is a hit bigger than sudden demise execute range, the mob will just get killed without demise

[tawdry root]

Is combat log bugged then? It appears to be proccing, but with unexpected results.

[rough hull]

just make umbrelskul trinket baseline for assa

pog

[grim jay]

Actually a good question, never noticed that

[tawdry root]

Low damage numbers, and usually proccing well before the target dies of some other means. Certainly not the expected fatal bleed out.

[fleet pagoda]

what's the remaining time of those bleeds? it's proccing damage at a certain threshold so bleed damage doesn't go to waste, not to necessarily just to delete a mob at low health

[grim jay]

Source?

The dmg numbers on his demise vs muti for example are kinda off tho

[tawdry root]

Freshly-applied bleeds. Initially suspected it was the total bleed damage/remaining duration too, so experimented with it a bit.

[fleet pagoda]

what level is this at, too, btw?

[tawdry root]

Currently at 58. It was doing the same thing at 70 during Remix.

[grim jay]

Maybe just janky with remix? Scaling issues or something

[tawdry root]

Also experiencing similar issues with Internal Bleeding, which I saw was already mentioned earlier; applications at 6 or more CP are acting as if applied at 1 CP. 1-5 CP seemingly work just fine. Edit: 6 CP bug was due to timewalking/scaling. Now only bugged at 7 CP.

[tawdry root]

Hoping it's just a scaling thing. I haven't seen anyone else mentioning issues with it. Edit: It was scaling.

[grim jay]

Yeah think thats known overall, atleast saw it getting mentioned some days before

[grim jay]

Yeah me neither

[fleet pagoda]

weird, yeah. think it's been behaving as expected for me. hopefully it's a scaling thing, sub-70 and remix are tough examples to speculate by

[tawdry root]

I'll re-verify at 70. Started working the moment I left timewalking. And Internal Bleeding now only bugs out at 7 CP instead of 6/7.

[fleet pagoda]

yeah so it available at 35% but the target only dies when the "remaining bleed exceeds 150% of the target's health", so this seems like an issue of bleed damage more than sudden demise itself but idkfa about these things, maybe the bleed damage is adequate but sudden demise isn't being calculated correctly? or bleed damage is just too low?

[balmy condor]

open world scaling fucks all sorts of stuff

[slim hamlet]

Oh no is sudden demise bugged again

Or did the bug just never leave

[balmy condor]

it's always been there

it's a bug with the world scaling, not with sudden demise

[hoary remnant]

Iron Wire does interact with IC or?

[fleet pagoda]

yah

[bitter trout]

Am I blind what happened in the last week https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/thH5ffFbS8eXmCti4g2vus https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kM8i8BXXiokR8aB39MT53F

Just lost 15k dps

BSL

Don't worry

found it

[bleak ledge]

bsl drizzy

[proud bough]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[timber kindle]

he y guys i wanna start pllaying assa in beta any clue what talents to go for

[limber lion]

Pins has em

[balmy condor]

I have a new take on assa m+ in beta

after playing like 4-5 keys today

[willow rapids]

is it that is very nice?

[balmy condor]

fatebound cranks but I can't really tell why most of the time and that kinda blows

deathstalker cranks a little less but I know exactly what's doing damage and I have feedback from it, which is nice

[willow rapids]

that's the point, you can't tell because you leave yourself to fate

[balmy condor]

fatebound I literally couldn't fuck it up if I tried, that's pretty cool for just ease of play

deathstalker the mark disappears cause of some bullshit fucking mechanic and the rage that fills my veins could be the ignition to the genocide of an entire small nation

that shit

is pure fury

[normal mist]

After a lot of testing, Fatebound it is

[rotund oak]

the known fatebound build right?

or u cooked somehting

[balmy condor]

what

no

just fatebound

but siege of boralus is another fun pain in my ass now

that's a fun one

[rotund oak]

sob is

[balmy condor]

the second boss intermission, she jumps up on her boat

guess what

mark can disappear

[rotund oak]

[willow rapids]

nice

[rotund oak]

she clears marks n stuff

dots and all

[balmy condor]

she actually keeps the mark

[royal python]

that's why you need double vanish, for backup ambush

[balmy condor]

I'll kill you

[royal python]

😄

[potent raven]

any kingsbane missers

[balmy condor]

but if you're unlucky on the timing, the mark can still go away

last boss, same shit

[rotund oak]

ah i c

ye

[balmy condor]

cause you have to delay running to the platform

[rotund oak]

yup,ye thats reasonable

[balmy condor]

you get a grace period to fire the cannon

before the next platform of tentacles spawn

[subtle tundra]

i love that, boss goes away and you didnt time your envenoms perfectly? guess what dumbass
youre gonna deal 10% less dps on this intermission cause FUCK YOU

[balmy condor]

and if you're unlucky there, you can lose the capstone

incredible design

so we have mists, siege, necrotic wake

[spice surge]

Ye this is a known issue as well, 6 was fine when i tested but 7 was not. Also echoing reprimand ruptures were counted as 3/4/5 cp ones

[rotund oak]

that was the reason i actually believe that they need to redesgn how u apply the mark on deathstalker

it has to be a natural thing

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be real, I don't know the new dungeons well enough

but I KNOW there's some shit

[spice surge]

Welcome to rogue, where most talents or spells have a bug or two

[balmy condor]

like the fucking last boss of dawnbreaker?

you're losing your mark for sure

flying your mount

to chase the boss

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

the mark ain't surviving that

[rotund oak]

ye

[subtle kiln]

[rotund oak]

that sht takes alot of time

[slate crown]

I'm just going to be fatebound for keys

like

cba to deal with that shit

[rotund oak]

u gonna make a vid about it,i mean with the keys highlighting the mark issue or nah

(just a question i dont wanna force anything)

[potent raven]

what are we rerolling to team

[rotund oak]

nothing

[balmy condor]

probably not

[clever sapphire]

assa only

no reroll allowed

[potent raven]

one trick

noob

[clever sapphire]

rerolling to 2nd assa rogue actually

cause first is max ilvl

[balmy condor]

I think I unironically like playing deathstalker more in m+ with the capstone changes

[potent raven]

what s4 awakened got bro to

[balmy condor]

but the only reason I like playing it more is cause I can see my damage

[potent raven]

buy beta @clever sapphire

[balmy condor]

like it's 100% just "feel"

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/how-about-no-sloth-chill-nope-no-gif-6121955

[potent raven]

brokie

[balmy condor]

I see the capstone, I hit a fat envenom, I know the envenom is fat cause the capstone disappears, I open my details, my envenom bar is really long and there's a big crit

and I'm like

yeah

that makes sense

I take the crimson tempest choice node thingy

crimson tempest does big damage

I go yeah, that makes sense

don't care about corrupt the blood or the rest really

still hate the mut dam thing on the mark that's super cringe

but like, I can actually feel the tree in some regard and there's a feedback there which I appreciate as a player

[willow rapids]

fatebound does have its annoyance as well in getting 7 matches, you end up doing stupid shit betewwn packs to not lose it

[balmy condor]

fatebound I do like 80k more, open my details and I'm like where the fuck did the damage come from I don't understand

[calm tendon]

hope we get a rework after tww start.. hero talents suxx..

[balmy condor]

the tails damage was maybe like 5-7% depending on the key

and the rest was just

nebulous stuff

agi buff on the capstone randomly with like 45% uptime

next dungeon it was 70%

heads buff stacking or maybe not

[fleet pagoda]

what's a lucky coin count look like through a whole key normally? assuming you're not watching it or playing CB or whatever

[balmy condor]

increasing everything

[rotund oak]

now i wanna do some sin keys

[balmy condor]

I played CB in every key so idk really

[fleet pagoda]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

lemme see if my details saved the keys

we spent a lot of time wiping to bosses in this one

so like

take the numbers with a heavy grain of salt

but like can you tell me where fatebound's damage is coming from aside from the tails coin

fate intertwined still is awful

the coin is terrible

grim batol, lower key

same thing

it's like coin, a bit of fate intertwined

and then ???????

lucky coin had 2 hits in each of the dungeons

but like so much of the power of fatebound comes from just giving you stats and giving you extra cp, and cold blood on envenom

that it's just so hard to see where exactly your damage is coming from

[slim hamlet]

I got 5 leveled assa rogues now

Can reroll 4 times before I am fully out of this prison

[fresh sphinx]

!weakauras

[clever sapphire]

well im stuck in lfg prison on my alts usually

so its hard

[fresh sphinx]

!wa

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[subtle kiln]

Is that a bad thing?

[balmy condor]

it is to me when there's no gameplay behind it either

I think feedback to the player is a good thing, either through gameplay or through actual visible damage

like deathstalker capstone is "just" envenom damage, and that's technically also nebulous, it's not its own bar on details

but there's a distinct feedback you get by consuming the capstone which is good

fatebound has neither the gameplay impact

[subtle kiln]

feedback in game is your coin animation.

[balmy condor]

nor the actual details feedback

it's buffing everything all at once, while also not giving you a rotational feeling of buffing anything

[subtle kiln]

technically details isn’t feedback. It’s an addon, but I understand

you want to see something tangible

[balmy condor]

yeah it's not an in-game feedback

but for most players that give a shit, seeing a big boy line on your details or your logs is a form of feedback

same way that like a big animation is

it's not actively something that changes how you play, but it is something that changes how you perceive it

which is why one of my core feedbacks on fatebound from the start was "why the fuck the coin not have big arcane missle animation"

[subtle kiln]

we can’t pay artists for rogue visual effects.

[grim jay]

I would perceive my spec swap if the coin had a bigger animation and it is way better

[long island]

hey

what talents do i use

the icyveins and wowhead guide shows different

[fleet pagoda]

yeah that's a good point. i can see myself spending way too much time looking at logs going "why was this doing so much damage here?!" as a result of fatebound

[grim jay]

if every rogue donated 1 euro for a new visual design, maybe they could work something out with those 300 euro

[grim jay]

wowhead is usually updated

(dunno about IV)

[balmy condor]

for what situation

[long island]

so this is good to use?

[balmy condor]

yes

[long island]

i checked m+ on both sites

[balmy condor]

m+ talents on assa is weird

cause there's a bunch of choices

and they're all fine

[long island]

are they different playstyles as well?

like what outlaw had in season 4

[balmy condor]

I have a gigantic writeup about the how and why about it on the talent page on wowhead

[balmy condor]

not really

it's more of a shift in damage profile, not playstyle

there's some minutia to it obviously

but it's basically the same

just focusing more, or less, on kingsbane vs bleeds

[balmy condor]

I would read this for all the little things and all the builds that are good to play

there's a bunch

and they're all fine

[subtle kiln]

Purple Fart would maybe get sparkles.

[fleet pagoda]

so what's the deathstalker update from yesterday? just mastery clean up? my ability to read those notes is subpar

[long island]

ty for all the info 🙏🏿

[balmy condor]

correct

mastery affecting stuff

[long island]

which posion do i pick?

[fleet pagoda]

for m+? from those you'd take mind numbing and deadly

[long island]

yes m+

[fleet pagoda]

if you took dragon-tempered blades ( bottom center capstone) you would add instant and crippling as well, but I'm assuming you didn't use that build*

[balmy condor]

always the poisons you talent into

[long island]

am kinda lost

[balmy condor]

you talented into numbing, so you're taking that

deadly is a talent at the top of the tree

so you're taking that

[long island]

i used the wowhead guide build

[balmy condor]

that doesn't narrow it down

I have like 8 on there

but if you took the one you showed earlier then deadly + numbing, cause you only get 1 of each, and they're both talents

[long island]

its this

[balmy condor]

ye

numbing, deadly

talent

good

take them

[long island]

thank you pookie

[balmy condor]

[errant trail]

guys

these buffs im pumped for

[balmy condor]

which

[errant trail]

the fate bound one

[slim hamlet]

the dn ones

oh

[errant trail]

u think it will be playable?

also crimson tempy got buffed right?

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

both hero talents are playable

would be kind of a big problem if they weren't

[slim hamlet]

I got a big problem for you baby

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

Yea it's that I don't have a keybind for ER

[errant trail]

so whispyr

let me ask you

do you prefer 4 poison or 3 i think

going middle capstone is essential

[slim hamlet]

Why would you ever go 3?

[errant trail]

i always go 4

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[errant trail]

it feels better

[fresh blaze]

!wa

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[slim hamlet]

But why would you ever not use the 4th one

I don't understand