assassination

[balmy condor]

meh

[runic hinge]

Who is even thinking about er

[balmy condor]

idk

[buoyant moat]

not me lol

[balmy condor]

frogboy over here

I guess

[runic hinge]

Er make combo point glow and hit hard. Weeee

That’s all I think

[slate crown]

Me

[buoyant moat]

hey man more power to thos who enjoy it no hate

I just don like it

[runic hinge]

I just don’t understand how it’s divisive

Sometimes you finish early sometimes you don’t

(That’s what she said)

[slate crown]

(Thinking bout those beans but replaced with )

[balmy condor]

people just have preferences I guess

[runic hinge]

Wack

[balmy condor]

I don't get how energy mattering is divisive either but you're well aware of how many show up and go "I wanna smash button more hard"

be like that I guess

[buoyant moat]

it just dosent feel like a rogue ability feels out of place end up thinking too much about it, dont like it's name, don't like it's origin, don't like that it add's nothing and just exists to exist in it''s own isolation. And im sure many people who dislike ER sahre some of these thoughts. Not a big deal not like theres a gun to my head to choose it.

[runic hinge]

They should rename it and have it do the same thing and people will hate it less cause it’s not associated with shadowlands

[buoyant moat]

nah I just don't like how it has nothing to do with the rest of the spec/class

and is just a hold-over ability

[runic hinge]

Adds nothing is weird. It makes you do something instead of just full build and send for a full minute

[balmy condor]

out of curiosity, do you like blindside

[past forum]

I like the lil slashy sound it makes when you press it

[buoyant moat]

yea blindside is a nice little proc but it's not special. it's just visual noise to keep you engaged

[balmy condor]

[runic helm]

I think blindside would be more engaging if ambush was better and entirely replaced mut in execute and blindside was basically execute procs like warrior gets

[buoyant moat]

that was MoP blindside

well Blidside was it's own button

but functionally that

[runic helm]

Ya I just meant replaaced in the rotation. Can be a different button still

[runic hinge]

If they made er more assassin thematic would you hate it less, like they renamed it and give it different visuals but it still made your combo points hit for 7

[slate crown]

I genuinely don’t understand not liking ER because of the gameplay, unless the actual concern is keybindings, which is a concern I get.

I get it for lore/aesthetic reasons, that’s fine and you can just not install the fix patch and use the broken animation and it’s less intrusive.

[balmy condor]

in my head ER is just blindside but better, both give a bunch of cp throughout the fight, blindside however I couldn't care less cause I keep spamming 1 over and over anyway, and ER at least I get to play around my resource

[buoyant moat]

no I want an entirely new ability instead

[balmy condor]

"play around my resource" here being a big overexaggeration

[buoyant moat]

I would much prefer it to be an active button that next builder fills CP's

or Marked for death

[past forum]

Play sub? Idk

[runic helm]

or something like next 3 spenders cost 0 cp but do dmg as if using maax

[balmy condor]

I agree er should change though

[ripe carbon]

ah it was just one of the buttons to the rotation page was broken... if i go back to start of assinsation guide it works

[balmy condor]

which one

[ripe carbon]

um 1 sec

from BiS gear when u scroll down

wait

[runic hinge]

What if it was called skewer and it made it so your next 3 finishers on 3,4,5 acted as if you used 7 combo points and it made you do a little flip when you pressed it

[ripe carbon]

im tryna find it it was one somewhere

[buoyant moat]

no I don't like the 3,4,5 shit

[runic hinge]

Why

[buoyant moat]

because it's just not needed

[runic hinge]

Oh okay

[buoyant moat]

it add's actually nothing

[past forum]

I feel like ER is like a brief WW cosplay moment

[buoyant moat]

its a fluff ability

[ripe carbon]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps when u scroll down to the list of them, not the top ones

[buoyant moat]

its pretend complexity

its im not like the other ability's the ability

fuck that just give me marked for death and call it a day

[balmy condor]

oh the template is fucked

[past forum]

Blue cp give me serotonin

[balmy condor]

it's trying to link to a url that's pretending to be a tank spec

that's funny

[past forum]

Shiny combo point make crow brain happy

[balmy condor]

lemme see if I can fix that

but might not be on my end

[buoyant moat]

more power to the blue CP enjoyers

[balmy condor]

if I change the template every spec guide will break on the spot

[slate crown]

Fuck

[slate crown]

It’s ok I’ll do a shiny backhand In your honor mr frog

[balmy condor]

holy the template is cooked

[past forum]

What if when you finish on a blue cp your guy like screamed really loud

[balmy condor]

yeh this ain't on me

[haughty flicker]

why didnt er get changed when they reskinned a bunch of shadowlands stuff actually

[balmy condor]

I'll let someone know

[vale shore]

it was

[haughty flicker]

what is it now

i dont play this game

[slate crown]

Yeah they broke it

[vale shore]

its not longer kyrian-themed

just a cool twirly motion

[slate crown]

You can go get the fix patch in shadowlands

[haughty flicker]

is it not even a color

[slate crown]

Nope

[buoyant moat]

beige

[haughty flicker]

thats lame as fuck

make it green or red or something

[slate crown]

Yeah it is

[haughty flicker]

at least they went back and made glyphs for them

[slate crown]

Yeah I made sure to go and get them

Sepsis in particular

[vale shore]

I dont want my prey to know they have been echoing reprimanded!

gives the game away!

[haughty flicker]

were any of the updated abilities actually cooler

now that im thinking of it

mage was good

shifting power looking arcane is nice

[past forum]

Feel like absolute shit, just want her back

[slate crown]

[vale shore]

sepsis was a pain in the ass to work around though

[slate crown]

[past forum]

Pressing sepsis made me do the thing that ppl do in tv shows after railing a line of snow

[vale shore]

she was abusive man, we will find you new abilities to enjoy

more supportive of your play style!

[blazing jewel]

@slate crown bring back sepsis

[vale shore]

I, for one, think echoing reprimand empowered combo points should hit like they were 10 point finishers, now that we have 7 combo points naturally

[balmy condor]

fixed thanks

[ripe carbon]

np

[runic hinge]

Based

[vale shore]

and the guy from Mortal Kombat should pop up and yell "TOASTY!" when you land one!

[slate crown]

I'm trying!

[errant trail]

guys any race good for rogue

[normal mist]

It's in the wowhead guide

But generally speaking:

• the one you think looks the best.

[errant trail]

so as night elf

if shadowmeld is used

does allow restealth

[runic hinge]

On trash yes sometimes on bosses no

[errant trail]

ok 👍

[desert cove]

[strange python]

[runic hinge]

[cursive knoll]

that brought some clarity. thanks a lot for taking the time!

[royal lantern]

[runic hinge]

where are the glyphs sold

[slate crown]

In oribos* In the quadrant side room with the main story npcs and the campaign table, in one of the alcoves to the side there’s a set of 4 quartermasters one for each cov. They sell the glyphs.

Keep in mind glyphs are spec specific, so if you want to use ER as sub and as sin, need to buy the glyph twice.

[runic hinge]

does sub play er now?

[grim jay]

Unlikely but possibly

Who knows what they will still adjust

Its kinda ironic that they wanted to bring the abilities closer to the class visuals and removing almost all of the effects was the decision to bring it in line with rogue visuals

[runic hinge]

yeah rogue visuals are seriously lacking

[runic hinge]

and i need to be honored

(I am not)

[errant trail]

guys i figured it out

[fleet coral]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[errant trail]

im a different being now

[fleet coral]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[royal lantern]

what?

[royal lantern]

WHAT??

[errant trail]

shifted things in my rotation

[royal lantern]

what did you figure out

[errant trail]

im now

unleashing

well

[royal lantern]

oh, thought some divine ascenion

[errant trail]

im using thistle tea right

[fleet coral]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[pastel cradle]

What it is a good combination to use for a single target talent tree, in PVP? I tried killing a Druid but he was too tanky.

[runic hinge]

#pvp is a better place to ask

[pastel cradle]

oh gotcha my b

[grim jay]

He a furry now

[royal lantern]

duh

everyone in #assassination is

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

just in different stages of denial about it

[grim jay]

@shrewd night furry gifs, now

[rare jackal]

deathstalker made me a furry

[shrewd night]

Nah, old time opps are returning to make my life hell

Be happy with the emojis

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

Sounds like a wow expansion

[jade drum]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[raven egret]

I am!?

[kind forge]

that is so true

[runic hinge]

[shrewd night]

At least name the emoji right, what the fuck is a blem

[sharp viper]

[quiet oar]

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/сat-furry-cute-mih-furr19-gif-24937816

[grim jay]

Same, I assumed I missed some joke

[ripe carbon]

anyone know if that '[le] kingsbane timeline' is still on wago i cant find it?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

LE collection has it

or just search for kinsbane in wago

[balmy condor]

She might’ve taken it down idk

[spice surge]

Well its no longer needed as we dont play around kb that way anymore

[balmy condor]

She was talking about it being pretty much useless now

[ripe carbon]

ya i looked in le collection

ah ok

u still shiv and thistle tea at times tho dont u?

[balmy condor]

No

[ripe carbon]

or do u only do before? i havent read guide full yet

reading atm and getting setup to practice

[balmy condor]

You shiv to cover kingsbane but tea isn’t used that way anymore

[ripe carbon]

ah ok

[grand trail]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[normal mist]

Thats a weird TEA explanation

[grim jay]

He broke the commands

[quiet oar]

I wanted to say thst aswell

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[quiet oar]

Sadge

I had hopes that tea explanation gets Posted

[grim jay]

Maybe Whispyr is trying to combat the restealth questions

By it popping up with every command

[ripe carbon]

is there an explination as to what anime charge means?

[quiet oar]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[quiet oar]

Nope

[spice surge]

Its the points from echoing reprimand

[quiet oar]

Huh

[ripe carbon]

do i have to use a special combo point addon to see anima charge or something? im using a custom combo point weakaura

[quiet oar]

Doesnt it Show them as blue?

Because Yeah

[spice surge]

Default does

Most should

[ripe carbon]

ah ok im using a custom one

[quiet oar]

3/4/5 combo point get empowered

[ripe carbon]

any good combo point weakaruas?

[wooden radish]

blizzard resource bars

[ripe carbon]

so anime charge works like, it charges 3/4/5, i spend 5 combo points it takes 1 stack off the '5' one?

[grim jay]

It removes the charge on the 5

[ripe carbon]

so theres 3 stacks of it?

[grim jay]

1 per Cp

[quiet oar]

Yes

[grim jay]

3 in total

[ripe carbon]

i dunno ill read guide some more and come back

[quiet oar]

3/4/5

[ripe carbon]

i think i get it

[midnight mist]

!whispyr

[grim jay]

3/4/5 anima charged - > finisher on the CP consumes the charge on that specific cp and does its bonus dmg
Can happen 3 times in total, once on 3, 4 and 5

[ripe carbon]

im only spending combo poiints at 5+ at all times right?

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-uno-meme-oof-big-gif-8789740406551729907

[ripe carbon]

ya, thats what i thought

[midnight mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1265638924580159488/outlaw.gif

[lone parrot]

rightside rogue talents is slapping for me

[balmy condor]

What you mean by that

[lone parrot]

without a trace

and it fucks

[royal lantern]

if by "fucks" you mean "fucking sucks", yeha

you are right

[lone parrot]

agree to disagree

[hoary remnant]

So good or not?

[lone parrot]

i like it, i think its good

[royal lantern]

i mean, you can think that

[hoary remnant]

I think for Deathstalker you need it

[royal lantern]

and i respect opinions

but it really isnt good lol

[hoary remnant]

Applying mark without restealth is kinda difficult.

[balmy condor]

I’m glad you enjoy it I guess

It’s objectively, mathematically, logically, the worst dps talent on either of two trees

But as long you’re happy no issues

[lone parrot]

i dont believe in maths

[hoary remnant]

How would you play deathstalker then?

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[hoary remnant]

You apply the mark with ambush

No stealth no ambush

[balmy condor]

You apply the mark with capstone

[royal lantern]

read the capstone

jesus christ

[hoary remnant]

yes but sometimes you dont have the capstone

[balmy condor]

You should always have it in typical m+

It gives it you when a marked target dies

[hoary remnant]

You die because bad player/group? 😄

[potent raven]

i never die

[normal mist]

if you're dead

you can stealth

[lone parrot]

same bro

[balmy condor]

Well if you release you can stealth and if you get battle rezzed then massive fucking skill issue

[hoary remnant]

[lone parrot]

[normal mist]

People still dont understand that both vanish charges dont have SEPARATE CD's

[lone parrot]

im echoing reprimands biggest hater

[balmy condor]

But regardless of that edge case, +1 vanish charge won’t help you

Cause it doesn’t change the cooldown on it

[royal lantern]

wow Players and yugioh players are the same people

they cant read

[balmy condor]

So you’re probably not going to have it anyway

[balmy condor]

Then play lethality + cold blood

[lone parrot]

I am math and logic's biggest hater too

[royal lantern]

mate, i hate ER aswell cus it just feely pointless with 7cp baseline now

but its still better then wasting 4talent points for 1 additonal vanish lol

[balmy condor]

I can see that

I mean there’s really nothing wrong with CB for the ER haters

It’s a bit worse but nothing to doom over

And CB is full macro

You just slap that shit onto mut and fok and call it a day

[hoary remnant]

I misplayed then the capstone mb

[balmy condor]

I mean you can run into situations where the extra vanish charge is useful

I’m not saying it’s ENTIRELY useless

[lone parrot]

counterpoint: I saw zerocool use it once

[balmy condor]

But if you’re trying to convince me it’s good because if you die and get rezzed mid combat

Then like

What are we doing

[lone parrot]

I didnt say that

[rotund oak]

Tested sub for two days,i think ive came to the realization that sin coinflippin' is probably the way for TWW

[hoary remnant]

Yeah I just played it pooly not playing the capstone correctly, Not going full cp when the target with mark dies early to apply to the next.

[rotund oak]

unless ofc something changes

[balmy condor]

Not talking to you, that was mapko’s argument

[lone parrot]

roger

[hoary remnant]

Was player dif gonna try again fix that today.

[balmy condor]

But yeh, capstone is your friend

[hoary remnant]

Yeah just need full cp for the next target

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t be hard

[lone parrot]

I just feel like personally I play worse with ER

[balmy condor]

That’s fine, can still play cb

Literally anything else

[lone parrot]

[balmy condor]

Moving the without a trace point to 2/2 lethality and nothing else

[hoary remnant]

is tight spender in m+ not better then improved ambush?

[balmy condor]

Is already an improvement

[balmy condor]

Usually not

You have a ton of energy in aoe and the small diff in single target won’t really do much

If you’re playing like hybrid or something

Without blindside

Then yeah drop it

[hoary remnant]

yeah then for sure ill drop

[balmy condor]

It’s not too much of a diff either way

[subtle tundra]

is 2nd vanish used for any spec

[balmy condor]

Think both talents are within like 0.3#

[balmy condor]

Outlaw

[subtle tundra]

ofc outlaw

[hoary remnant]

whats the difference between hybrid (PB+right side) and full aoe in st? (dmg wise roughly)

[subtle tundra]

holy shit delete that spec

[lone parrot]

so, smack a macro for mut and fok with CB on both?

[balmy condor]

No more than 3-5%ish

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lone parrot]

im gonna give that a go

#fkER

[hoary remnant]

They need to fix the ER bug with deathstalker.

[subtle tundra]

one of the good talents for assa is ER

[lone parrot]

im an ER hater

[subtle tundra]

feels good to press + adds an active good gameplay change and the reward is good enough

[lone parrot]

i refuse to use it

[subtle tundra]

nothing annoying

[balmy condor]

I’d argue the reward sucks lowkey

[hoary remnant]

yes but if you want to trigger capstone and it doesnt work with er combopoints its feels just bad

[balmy condor]

2 points for 3.5%

[subtle tundra]

the reward is pressing finishers more

[balmy condor]

Pog

[subtle tundra]

not talking numbers

[balmy condor]

98% envenom to 98.1%

[subtle tundra]

not once have i thought about envenom uptime

[balmy condor]

That’s the problem yes

[normal mist]

Whispyr is there any known bug with sprint?

[balmy condor]

Yeah their cell service sucks

[clever sapphire]

the good part about er is if you combine it with bonespike in aoe. gar - 7cp rupture (if you still have er point from last pull)

[normal mist]

Am i not understanding something?

o.o

Yeah, nevermind

i know what it is

[balmy condor]

Mm

[normal mist]

fucking heart of azeroth neck

[grim jay]

Wait, good er sbs and aoe in the same sentence

[normal mist]

removed the neck

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

Why did you have it

In the first place

[normal mist]

doing old content

[clever sapphire]

you are just a hater, its fine

[normal mist]

and forgot it was equipped

[grim jay]

I cant get myself to equip the stuff even on old content

[lone parrot]

thats not a bug

[normal mist]

doing eternal palace

so many new appearances, i love it

[balmy condor]

As intended as the shaman trees

Half outdated half new stuff that doesn’t work cause of the outdated stuff

[lone parrot]

only class more neglected by blizz than rogues

[balmy condor]

Actually I read the wowhead comments and it seems like hunters are the most neglected spec and it’s not close

So you’re wrong

[lone parrot]

dang, outsmarted by the high intellect individuals on the forums

I can only hope reddit is on my side

[balmy condor]

Reddit isn’t even on their own side

[lone parrot]

yeah actually I don't even want the redditors on my side

If they're on my side, I must be wrong

[potent raven]

xdddd

true

[grim jay]

That mustve been close to the comment ive seen that mentioned arms having the hardest rotation in WoW currently

[balmy condor]

Some idiot on there complained that rogue isnt good because “the rogue discord simps for blizzard devs”

[lone parrot]

HAH

[grim jay]

Mustve been the guy that got banned for pinging a dev the other day

[balmy condor]

Problem is they’ll argue for and against both sides of the argument so you’re technically always on their side

[lone parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/im-playing-both-sides-both-sides-its-always-sunny-frank-retires-s10e09-gif-17913970

[balmy condor]

Yeh, smartest redditor

[lone parrot]

supremely high IQ

[balmy condor]

I open compwow like once a year because someone links it to me and I instantly contract several brain eating amoeba trying to read their incoherent babbling

I love the internet

[royal lantern]

compwow

aka: 2-3 good players, and everyone else is AtoC people that cosplay as worldfirst raiders because they watch the world first race and have 3k r.io

and and always repeating BLIZZARD HATES M+

[lone parrot]

I can't tell what's worse, the dribbling comments being so bad they cause brain damage, or voluntarily going back every so often

maybe it's the amoeba causing you to forget last time

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s like a men in black thing

It eats half my brain

And then flashes me

[grim jay]

I can tell you, its facing opinions that were born through reddit

[lone parrot]

dont even get me started, I assume any reddit born take on any topic is devoid of any rational thought

[grim jay]

Thats always the worst, no matter if its part of the equation

Nothing more mindnumbing exists

[rare jackal]

surely it cant be that bad right

nvm

[royal lantern]

saw today a take again

"trickster having feint in its rotation was good and would have shown skill expression, and also makes the healers live more easy because they would always have a deffensive up for Rot dmg"

thats reddit

thats fucking reddit

they dont even know what feint does

[grim jay]

Ironic how his name is icy but the statement makes your brain melt

[royal lantern]

but talk about it

[lone parrot]

o7

[rare jackal]

my fucking sides you werent kidding

[balmy condor]

You don’t need to go further than #outlaw for that take

HOLY SHIT SEASON THREEEEEEE POOOOGGGGG THIS IS THE BEST THE SPEC HAS EVER BEEN HOLYHOLYHOLY

Man I’m gonna ping a dev because these fucking changes KILLED OUTLAW, worst dev of all time actually the anti-Christ of game design, it’s like they’re TRYING ON PURPOSE TO DELETE ROGUE

(It’s the same dev)

[royal lantern]

thats not #outlaw

they cant write a sentence that Long

it

must

be

like

this

[grim jay]

You fuckin made me enter that channel

Wtf

[clever sapphire]

ah yes i remember all the takes from whispyr where he says that fatebound and deathstalker are amazing and not horrible

[balmy condor]

Yeh I’ve never given honest feedback in my life and my article on deathstalker wasn’t 14 pages long

[grim jay]

@normal mist is that what you did?

[rare jackal]

how i was gaslighted in ravenholdt

read my twitlonger

[grim jay]

CFs these days... Smh my head

[royal lantern]

they deepthroat the devs but not me??????

i feel cheated

[rare jackal]

try less rambling maybe whispyr gives you the sloppy toppy

[normal mist]

I am a normal person that understands, if only by just a little, how the world works, idk, i tell people what they should be thinking as well

[balmy condor]

My deathstalker article was the most scathing opinion piece I have ever put out on any platform, so strong that the wowhead commenters were rolling their eyes that I’m “overly dramatic and need to calm down”, one guy said I need to get mental help if a game is impacting me emotionally so much, because they have no concept of opinion writing and tone

But then I’m a blizzard simp as well

I’m a man of many talents

[rare jackal]

there is no appeasing the redditor

[royal lantern]

shizo hitting hard

[brave stump]

i feel offended

man

im eating

STOP

LOOKING

[royal lantern]

no

i will never stop yapping

[lone parrot]

enough poking fun at the poor outlaw players. Instead, how many cheetos cheese and bacon balls can you fit in your mouth at once without crushing them?

[balmy condor]

Why don’t you come over and find out

[normal mist]

I've been actively fighting the whole "rogue SHITE, REROLL, people losing their mind, WHERE IS THE DEV THAT DID THIS?!"

[lone parrot]

probably a long flight and I aint got the money for both a plane ticket and cheese and bacon balls

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’ll get you some haters for sure

[normal mist]

Look at me caring

[lone parrot]

aus to usa gotta cost me a minimum of like 3 grand

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-gif-9237014

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

stay strong brother

same dance every patch

[normal mist]

Honestly, it takes atleast half a brain to understand how this game works

[quiet oar]

I mean

[normal mist]

and people that complain THAT much, miss that half

[quiet oar]

If rogue community is one Thing

Its consistent

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i-stay-silly-crimew-violence-angry-marriage-story-gif-27497182

[quiet oar]

Consistent miserable, but consistent

[rare jackal]

i was vibing hard in 10.2

[balmy condor]

Photoshop my head onto that wall

[balmy condor]

No no, what you meant to say is the devs destroyed the class

[normal mist]

I've been vibing hard since WoD, that was when i joined retail (i played before it)

[balmy condor]

Admitting 10.2 was good would be logically inconsistent

[lone parrot]

[rare jackal]

ok but do you think realz is gonna call me back if i say that?

[brave stump]

But if the rogue community is like this then the community figures are a role model for their community something doesnt add up here

[quiet oar]

Ive been Hard vibing since puberty

[balmy condor]

I’m a role model for the community (shotgun a can of monster because your heart is a muscle and you should train until failure)

[rare jackal]

whispyrs unhinged rants about stealth in m+ keep me here

[ruby oyster]

isnt that at least a bit subjective? for me at least, raid gameplay of s3 was just awful, i never had less fun playing assa, sure there were a lot good changes overall but in raid i just simply didnt have fun

[quiet oar]

The role Model we didnt know we need

[balmy condor]

I’ve never been unhinged ever

[clever sapphire]

bud dance is gone, wdym same dance every patch

[quiet oar]

Stop

Rn

[balmy condor]

Well yeah of course it’s subjective but that doesn’t work for the joke now does it

[normal mist]

People like to feel like their opinion is approved, when they are proven wrong, then you gained yourself a hater

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-dancing-cat-cat-dancing-meow-meow-meow-gif-14608759981751543562

[lone parrot]

endurance training my lungs and arteries by smoking

[normal mist]

do this for long enough and you get what we have now

[quiet oar]

Heart failure?

[quiet oar]

Sleep less night?

[balmy condor]

That’s not me

[lone parrot]

[rare jackal]

king shit right there

[quiet oar]

Nice photoshop

[keen pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1255570724861771896/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

[balmy condor]

Me when cure for cancer

[keen pecan]

😂

[balmy condor]

Look at the end of the day I’m an entertainer what do you want from me

[lone parrot]

if you had a cure for cancer and you drank it, does that only cure you if you currently have cancer?

you could just get cancer again

[balmy condor]

It probably kills you

[quiet oar]

Showing this my Kids, telling them thst this was the normal way of drinking

[lone parrot]

i mean, technically dying does cure cancer

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the idea behind chemotherapy

[normal mist]

Example: some outlaw people complained about Guy because he wasn't "complaining about the lost of acro ENOUGH on social media and posts and he should present himself in #outlaw mad about the subject, every day, every hour, every minute, and if he wasn't, he was doing something wrong"
What is 1 guy supposed to do?!

[lone parrot]

"lets just kill em a little bit"

[balmy condor]

Chemo is legit just killing yourself and hoping the cancer dies first

[lone parrot]

"just a lil bit of dying"

[rare jackal]

stay hydrated gamers

[brave stump]

battle royale on a known map

would never lose

[royal lantern]

complaining Forever?

im sorry

[rare jackal]

mods ban this guy

[normal mist]

that was good

[balmy condor]

Foreverguy more like Foreverpositive and I hate him because I’m mad and seeing other people happy makes me upset because why aren’t they mad with me

[rare jackal]

every wow player in a nutshell

[quiet oar]

This is so true

[ripe carbon]

when do u refresh rupture/garrote... at what time remaining?

[quiet oar]

Its so rude being happy about something i am mad about

[clever sapphire]

you are either mad with me or you are a blizzard spy

[balmy condor]

(I'm going to do the exact same thing with the next person that says deathstalker is fun)

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[quiet oar]

Deathstalker is fun

[rare jackal]

mods delete this

[balmy condor]

I hope you like the smell of chloroform buddy

[midnight mist]

I would argue deathstalker is the most fun hero talent tree we got out of all 3

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[ripe carbon]

is there a pandemic option thing on weakaura? i had sliceadmiral addon that would add pandemic timer tick to the bar but that addon is broken now

[quiet oar]

That sounds like a fun time with you

[balmy condor]

you'd have to do it yourself through conditionals

most people just kinda eyeball is and add a glow conditional at 6 or something

[clever sapphire]

isnt deathstalker the only tree where you interact with the tree? (i still dont know how the sub/outlaw tree plays)

[balmy condor]

and it's good enough

[ripe carbon]

mm ill do that then

[midnight mist]

Pandemic is always 30% of a buff and you can always do remaining duration < 0.3 in conditions

Or 30% or whatever it is

[balmy condor]

well

not really

[quiet oar]

Well trickster interacts with you (it gcd locks you for 1.3 seconds)

[midnight mist]

Ok math it out then

[clever sapphire]

so its the opposite of fun, got it

[balmy condor]

cause that's 30% of the dot you applied, which if you already pandemic'd it would be too early

[midnight mist]

I'm pretty sure I didn't have to math it out the last wa I made

[balmy condor]

I don't think its < 0.3 of the base spell

I think it's < 0.3 of the timer at application

[midnight mist]

No that's not what I said tho

Or

[quiet oar]

Just use the actual time

[midnight mist]

Its like 30% of the current buff

[quiet oar]

In seconds

[balmy condor]

it's 30% of the new buff

that's why pandemic timer changes based on the cp you have for rupture

if you're at 4cp and you rupture, pandemic is shorter than if you would be at 7cp and rupture

[midnight mist]

Ah

[balmy condor]

and if you do 0.3 in conditionals

for gar for example right

it's 18 base, 23.4 with full pandemic

so 18 base, would be 5.4

23.4 would be 7

so you're a second and a half too early with that

it probably doesn't matter to be fair, its fine as a quick thing

[orchid pewter]

Always going with base value is how i do it

I think

[balmy condor]

but the math doesn't add up

yeh I think best lazy solution is just slapping <5 on gar and <6 on rup

and calling it a day

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

rup and ct you would technically have to also track your cp in a trigger and then make different conditionals for each cp

so if you're at 4cp, it'll have a condition for <X, at 5cp it would be <Y

etc

but that's a hell of a lot of work for something that doesn't matter

[grim jay]

And my lips on his hand

[balmy condor]

what

[grim jay]

What

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

[grim jay]

[neat shell]

why u look so beautifull when explaining rogue stuff

[slate crown]

Yes it’s still up, but as others have said it is under loaded now, very minimal and only shows shiv and parry alert now. It’s still as configurable as it was before, just less needs to be shown with it as before. I still plan to support it moving forward

[balmy condor]

built diffy

[rotund oak]

im sniffin' deathstalker hopium as well but no,coinflippin' is much more fluid

[quiet oar]

I just said thst

Because whispyr didnt want to hear thst

[rotund oak]

i think fatefound is the way,unless ofc they fix the deathstalker

whispyr could obliterate u with exodia

though

[quiet oar]

Well

he wants to chloroform me

Which is a win

in my books

[rotund oak]

the thing is taht

sin fatebound

(Watch me saying it 30/7/2024)

is

THE BEST POSSIBLE CHOICE a rogue can do entering TWW

[slate crown]

[midnight mist]

Whyspir guy

Did you guys have master assassin talent before df

Yes

[balmy condor]

yes

it competed with subterfuge, which was imp gar

and was a legendary in legion

[midnight mist]

Ok

[gusty mirage]

Remember when MA was 100%crit

The good ol days

[worldly sail]

remember when MA legendary and necrotic wake weapons

[midnight mist]

The talent in SL was 100% Crit ?

[gusty mirage]

No in legion

Got reduced in bfa? I think

When they made it a talent

Idk I’m old

[placid adder]

MA necrotic wake weapon bug

[midnight mist]

Ok ty sin people

[balmy condor]

was 50% in bfa and sl

[royal lantern]

100% for 5seconds in legion as a legendary

50% for 3seconds in BfA as assa talent

30% for 3seconds in DF cus shadowdance was a great idea :))))

[balmy condor]

then 30% in df yeh

[ruby oyster]

iirc it was also bugged for a while in legion and subterfuge extended it by additional 3s

[ripe carbon]

wat dps are u guys doing at 525-527ish ilvl on like say a volcoross heroic?

or a simple fight where ur mostly dps one boss

[quiet oar]

Ye i remember

Using it with Draught of Souls

Oh wait

i never had one

[fleet copper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet oar]

Shadow ping

[kind forge]

Sorry - i deleted

[spice spire]

Mb

[quiet oar]

You can shadow ping me

[spice spire]

But I’m not a shadow

[quiet oar]

a shadow of yourself?

[slim hamlet]

Real

[spice spire]

Real

[slate crown]

Real

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/false-gif-10814314758405640492

[quiet oar]

Well

Quake was an ambitious Gamer

now he is an old, cool, laid back Observer

[edgy panther]

Signat is the trinket we take now? not embersoul?

[quiet oar]

Embersoul

Plus Signet

Embersoul

Plus Grieftorch

Embersoul is set everytime

[pliant remnant]

Embersoul

Plus Call to Suffering

for the memes

[spice spire]

Log reviewer

And honestly

I was never that ambitious

Never went to ce guild

[quiet oar]

True Log reviewer

I loved you reviewing my log

ong

[silver sail]

"Cast Mutilate in single target until reaching 5+ Combo Points". Does the 5+ cps mean 5 or higher OR >5 (i.e. 6 or higher)...

[midnight atlas]

5 or 6 or 7

[silver sail]

thanks

[native quartz]

I wanted to main a rogue in wwi but I'm hearing a lot of not great things about rogue in general is it a complete trash class now or viable?

[spice surge]

Its absolutely fine

[royal lantern]

every class is viable always lol

[native quartz]

Oh good that's a breath of fresh air lol

[native quartz]

See I always say that and I've made it happen but there is always that one class that's just absolutely terrible so I was just making sure lol

I'm playing assassination ATM is that the go to for best results?

[royal lantern]

nobody knows what the balance will be

cus like, the patch is not out

they barely started balancing

[native quartz]

ATM seems to do well in dungeons and questing

[potent raven]

its ite

[clever sapphire]

assa spec tree is the most well balanced out of the 3 rogues imo

[potent raven]

assa and sub seem to be the same dps wise

in beta atm

[native quartz]

Do a lot of you switch specs based on fights?

[potent raven]

for me

i do change to sub on smolderon because of the timings lining up wlel

thats about it

i always play assa otherwise

[clever sapphire]

in S3 i switched for smolderon in specific because sub was just so far ahead of everyone else

but im pretty much assa only

[potent raven]

nice copy message xD

[clever sapphire]

pff

[native quartz]

Sorry I've never mained a rogue but they seem awesome and I've played since vanilla so I just have some questions before I commit lol

[potent raven]

its ok i got many fans u can be one of them @clever sapphire

[royal lantern]

assa only since more or less forever, with the exception beeing moments where it was REALLY bad (castle nathria launch) or on extreme edge cases like Smolderon where you could play a half assed sub and do 3x the dmg

[clever sapphire]

i can only be a fan of sbs enjoyers

[slate crown]

Many assa players do assa/sub, same with sub players, makes sense as we only have 2 specs

[potent raven]

lmao

yeah

based

[clever sapphire]

but ye imo assa is a lot of fun

sub needs some work

outlaw i havent touched for over a season now

[native quartz]

When and why would you switch to sub for a fight?

[quiet oar]

???

[potent raven]

unless youre mythic raiding

[slate crown]

[potent raven]

you dont really have to worry about switching

[quiet oar]

CF doesnt know about the third spec

smh my head

[potent raven]

you just play whatever you want to

[royal lantern]

that means you touched outlaw less then 10months ago

tainted

[runic prairie]

ye probs because we dont have to farm a new wep 😎

[hollow stone]

Going outlaw ruins mogs

[slim hamlet]

Also that they're alike

Outlaw is a warrior spec not rogue

[clever sapphire]

i mean in rare cases there are fights where it fits subs cooldowns better, because they have shadowdust which means they have lower than 2 minutes on their cooldowns. So smolderon where you had intermissions on around 1-1:30 timers sub was the go to choice because you always had big dmg for the dmg amp phases

[potent raven]

out

[clever sapphire]

otherwise its all about what you vibe with more

imo

[potent raven]

i just plea da game

[native quartz]

Oh ok that makes a lot of sense

[potent raven]

wanna do a key im coming on my dh @clever sapphire

[clever sapphire]

nah thx

[potent raven]

?

rude

[slim hamlet]

L

[clever sapphire]

busy

[potent raven]

ego'd

wtf

[native quartz]

Thanks for the help all 🫡

[slim hamlet]

busy not playing pre-patch

[potent raven]

hm

how can we cook builds then lol

[clever sapphire]

you just said you are coming on dh

wdym cook

[slim hamlet]

When TWW sims are here

We cook

[clever sapphire]

dh discord is burning afaik

[potent raven]

ye

i let u cook bro

[clever sapphire]

heck its already burnt to crisps

[slim hamlet]

Is it worse than #outlaw ?

[royal lantern]

man, look at the world

everything is burning

[potent raven]

nah

[clever sapphire]

i didnt go there

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[clever sapphire]

neither did i go to outlaw

im only hearing the rumors

[slim hamlet]

I went there to ask if bladeflurry actually did end up just being melee range

[quiet oar]

I think nothing is worse

[potent raven]

https://tenor.com/view/spreading-misinformation-gifs-gif-11575348421930192102

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

Did Blizzard ever adress how they just lied about them having increased baseline melee range over the years btw?

[remote wing]

combat was fun outlaw is meh

[slim hamlet]

How they just said it 2-3 times and never explained

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/boomer-alert-speaker-alarm-gif-15124610

[remote wing]

https://tenor.com/view/gen-x-genx-gif-13941038543770671526

[quiet oar]

Outlaw was fun

[static glacier]

imagine thinking they keep their promises

[quiet oar]

40% melee dmg gaming

[slim hamlet]

Almost 10 years ago

[quiet oar]

ong

[slim hamlet]

let it go

[clever sapphire]

in SL yap

[slim hamlet]

It wasn't a promise

They legit just lied

[clever sapphire]

last time i had actualy proper fun on outlaw

[slim hamlet]

About what they had done

[quiet oar]

i cant take this anymore

[slim hamlet]

They really never acknowledged it?

[static glacier]

remember when they said pick your favourite tier set "we will tune it to be competitive" queue sv hunter using s3 tier set in s4, boomies crying xd

[quiet oar]

Combat just autoattack dmg

fr

[slim hamlet]

I went afk from wow during it

[quiet oar]

and Sinister strike spamming

damn

[slim hamlet]

Yes that is a promise

They never do those

[static glacier]

well they lied

[slim hamlet]

But like, they just straight up said they had done something

[runic prairie]

classic blizz

[static glacier]

I mean they might mean making boss hitboxes bigger

though a lot of exceptions exist

[slim hamlet]

Maybe

They just said "we are taking away melee increasing abilities as we have increased the baseline melee range over the years" or something to that affect

[clever sapphire]

the worst target where the hitbox is horrible is that triceratops or whatever it is around nokhud tornado boss

that shitty ass mob has a smaller hitbox than critters

[static glacier]

maybe they mean giving ret 20y

[slim hamlet]

idk

I remember everyone being confused

and then some days later, they made another post where they had the same line in it

[static glacier]

well gl getting a question about that to them

[slim hamlet]

It was legit only like 3 months ago

I mean idc about having 5yard melee, just wanted to know if they ever responded to that lol

[quiet oar]

no

Because they would have to admit they lied

[slim hamlet]

I am guessing they wouldn't just lie

Maybe it was a:

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[quiet oar]

True

Its illegal to lie on the internet

[slim hamlet]

Fact

I have never lied

None of us have, otherwise we would be in prison

[haughty flicker]

prisons have internet

well

if you live in a first world country

[slim hamlet]

Then they put you into another prison again if you lie there

[haughty flicker]

oh shit

double prison

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[clever sapphire]

prisonsception

[slim hamlet]

Double CC but no DR

[clever sapphire]

or however you spell it

can i go up to 9 prisons to make a condensed prison? like in that one minecraft mod

[slim hamlet]

Only one way to find out

[clever sapphire]

time to lie

[slim hamlet]

I love wow

[clever sapphire]

outlaw is a rogue spec

[haughty flicker]

ive never peed myself on public transit

wait

[clever sapphire]

[slim hamlet]

ehm

[midnight mist]

so true bestie

[slim hamlet]

why you got a banana in your name

[midnight mist]

fuu banananed me

[clever sapphire]

wait i have the lie that will get me into prison:
ret paladin is a melee spec

[slim hamlet]

damn

I wanna get bananaed by Fuu too

[haughty flicker]

dont we all

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/arrest-the-son-of-a-bitch-arrest-him-upset-detain-lock-him-up-gif-14310138

[clever sapphire]

i was thinking if i should say that or that bm hunters are smart

[slim hamlet]

Roger exists

[quiet oar]

i have the best lie

@grim jay Is a Zoomer

[rotund oak]

that would be a more obvious contradiction if u would tag me

but that works as well

[grim jay]

You are just old

Beyond salvation

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

[quiet oar]

I said it earlier

[red tinsel]

It makes me sad we all got our melee range cut, but Paladin is pretty much a ranged spec nowadays

[quiet oar]

Davyn is the oldest 28yo i know

[spice spire]

aint no way that mf is under 50

[quiet oar]

He is physically

but Mentally above 50

for sure

[spice spire]

Damn

[quiet oar]

Davyn being 2 years older than me

cant believe that

[normal mist]

Assassination isn't suffering from that

[quiet oar]

Because Dots still do dmg right !?

[clever sapphire]

if you never took the range you never lost it

so i didnt lose 3 yrds

[slim hamlet]

Everyone that was used to it is suffering for a whole 2 days until they realise it was JUST because they were used to it

[normal mist]

No, because we embraced the dangerous world of melee sooner, we look at our enemies in the eyes as we stab them

[slim hamlet]

Just like after the rework where everyone was sadge

[rotund oak]

comments like these can and will be used against u

[slim hamlet]

And then you realised it only mattered on Nymue

[normal mist]

But yeah this is also pretty accurate

[quiet oar]

Creating Nymue like this

Was a war crime

[slim hamlet]

I still wish we had 8yard kick tho

[quiet oar]

ngl

[slim hamlet]

I LOVED Nymue

[normal mist]

My PC didn't

[slim hamlet]

maybe because that was my first r1

[clever sapphire]

thats why i specified yrds and not a different measurement

[quiet oar]

You can R1 this

[slim hamlet]

Happily

[rotund oak]

😂

[slim hamlet]

But yeah longer ranged kick would be nice for every melee for m+

Doesn't need to be 200yards like DK, just like 8

[red tinsel]

You are absolutely right.

But there were a few moments where we had the "holier than thou", like being able to hit a boss that's doing a point blank aoe attack while everyone has to move away and stop attacking

[slim hamlet]

True

I remember that mostly in m+

[quiet oar]

Time for Rnages to actually do something in Dungeons

[red tinsel]

Change kick into Dropkick.

Add animation for impact

[slim hamlet]

Sure buddy, good luck with that

[slim hamlet]

Wicked

[quiet oar]

And with do something

i mean

[normal mist]

They do

They replace you

[quiet oar]

Take all melee spots

[slim hamlet]

[normal mist]

[quiet oar]

Wow rude

[red tinsel]

Yall like "Ranged time to shine" when in reality Survival is taking all your jobs

[quiet oar]

Survival is basically range

[normal mist]

Actually, the god comp will probably continue it's reign of terror

[red tinsel]

Well Mage was essentially made to be a living God in TWW, so yeah, probably

[normal mist]

While we play with friends for faster dungeons

I mean they are the MC

[quiet oar]

The Molten Core !?

[slim hamlet]

Aug?

Aug was already so good and now they made changes to tanks that make it 110% pick instead of 100%

[normal mist]

Multi Chihuahua

[quiet oar]

Chihuahua are demons

[normal mist]

Saying Chihuahua is funny

[quiet oar]

Royal Fodesse chihuahuas

[haughty flicker]

[quiet oar]

oh wait

[normal mist]

FodAsse
And fodasse doesnt mean "to fuck something", but like fuck as is complaining

[quiet oar]

i remember

waht fodasse

was

Well complaining works

like this

nvm

IDk

Chihuahas

Are ugly and idk

and im sad that here eyes are almsot popping out

same for pugs

Just let them breathe and see ???

[normal mist]

Tira are you okay?

[quiet oar]

Yes

Im just bored

[haughty flicker]

[quiet oar]

But almost done with work

[quiet oar]

Always okay when you are here

[normal mist]

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

[red tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/crane-brazil-grab-poor-car-gif-17372636

[normal mist]

Oh

No thank you

That's where Minalba is

[royal lantern]

[final star]

what % is tier set worth approx in first raid

[lone parrot]

i want to stay up to do the event that will be up for the next 3 weeks because if i fall asleep now, i might miss it

[spice surge]

~2% right now

But most are around 5% i'd say

[hoary remnant]

For all 3 just 2%?

[spice surge]

For assa

[final star]

it's a dps loss for outlaw

over regular gear

😄

[lone parrot]

deserved for being outlaw

[royal lantern]

based and real

[grim jay]

What did I do to anger you

[spice spire]

Absolutely nothing I’m just a hater

[spice surge]

Idk its weird, theyve decided to make most things related to gear this expansion significantly weaker than it usually is. Trinkets, tier, enchants and gems are all worth a lot less

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1267501203810680832/prisoncat.mp4?ex=66a9acbc&is=66a85b3c&hm=7d4f67cafa47af4f0a34ec10d7057455f86b0030610f1197ea93e2d8ff7e329d&

[royal lantern]

tbf, is that really a bad thing

[rare jackal]

would be cool if gear was exciting outside of trinkets

[royal lantern]

and how?

[rare jackal]

dont ask me for constructive suggestions im only here to complain

[royal lantern]

its just

how do people want "gear to be more interesting"

without it resulting in a "lol, if you are unlucky, suck it up"

cus thats how it ends up everytime we get a gearpiece with a bonus effect that is slightly stronger

[rare jackal]

ideally there would be more choice thats not reliant on raidbots

[spice surge]

Idk nothing to be excited about

[royal lantern]

what is that even supposed to mean lol

[jovial verge]

I think if Embellishments were expanded upon (perhaps beyond even crafting) they could be an means of making gear interesting, or at least opening up the potential of diversity of choice

[rare jackal]

right now most item slots might as well be a simple % number
cause one belt over another belt doesnt mean anything to me outside of what raidbots says

and thats lame

[royal lantern]

again, what else do you want

saying "i dont like this" and then not even saying what you actually want is just...............................allright? kinda pointless?

do you want that gear has all some special effects instead of dmg stats?

[snow kindle]

MOP REMIX

[rare jackal]

i liked the idea of bis lists and stat breakpoints which made you shuffle around enchants and gems

[royal lantern]

thats literally the worst example because gear means absolutely nothing there lol

all just empty templates and you put gems in

[snow kindle]

give me a belt I can change my utility

Hyyype

[hollow oasis]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[clever sapphire]

wait so you want a bis list and you want more choice

[snow kindle]

Not all slots are just for gems

[clever sapphire]

isnt that contradictory

[royal lantern]

how is that different from our current gear lol

thats even LESS choices

cus it just translates into "have this"

[rare jackal]

im saying i want that expanded upon potentially

[clever sapphire]

this is too confusing for me

i will just keep reading and eat popcorn

[leaden lintel]

We just have to accept that there will always be a mathematical best option, if you’re trying to be efficient you have to let go of “choice” and being unique. But hey, we still have transmog so you can feel special about your choices.

[rare jackal]

its different cause you can actually mess up your gear, which you cant right now

[clever sapphire]

[royal lantern]

there is "active ability"

"passive proc"

"lol stats"

and "trailbrazer"

much choice

interesting gear

doesnt even matter where you get it from

just take a random piece, pump ilvl, put gems in, the end

[snow kindle]

You forgot the utility one where I can have blink and be Jesus

I like that one

[royal lantern]

you mean "everyone is using trailbrazer"