And then do the opposite
#assassination
nova aspen
how is sin in m+ in the beta?
balmy condor
how is sin in m+ in the beta?
Fine
nova aspen
hmm
balmy condor
It’s basically just like now
balmy condor
You have like 8 builds on a spectrum from bleed to caustic
More caustic is more single target
nova aspen
balmy condor
More bleed is more aoe
nova aspen
8 builds??
nova aspen
same
balmy condor
I explain it in the wowhead guide, it’s prepatch atm but all the concepts and builds are basically exactly what they’ll be on beta
nova aspen
my group likes to get the portals each season then chill
nova aspen
okay
nova aspen
when i get bored of PoE ill check it out xD
sonic zinc
sin can get portal level keys done
balmy condor
when i get bored of PoE ill check it out xD
What build you playing
Are you a slammer
nova aspen
lightning strike slayer, but im rerolling today to that power siphon locus mines trickster build
im lvl 91
nova aspen
i like the new league mechanic, kinda reminds me of runescape
or WoW garrison missions lol
the idle stuff keeps me interested
but once im bored im gonna practice outlaw/sin
balmy condor
I have a 90k boat out
If that mfer shows up and gives me a handful of jewelers
I will mald
balmy condor
Can’t say ive used it
knotty radish
Hello again friends.
balmy condor
Splitting steel cranks though
nova aspen
indeed
balmy condor
10c gear on a 4 link and I’m pushing into red maps with no issue
knotty radish
Sub is cooler than assa change my mind!
balmy condor
Sepsis and dust existing
nova aspen
10c gear on a 4 link and I’m pushing into red maps with no issue
thats crazy
i was on a 5L for awhile and it felt like a struggle in red maps
balmy condor
thats crazy
I bought my bis weapon for 4 alch off a guy day 2
clever sapphire
Sub is cooler than assa change my mind!
alls good, everyone can have their own opinion, yours is just wrong
nova aspen
i got my 6L yesterday and it was a game changer for lightning strike
nova aspen
I bought my bis weapon for 4 alch off a guy day 2
lmao
balmy condor
Yeah lightning strike is hungry for support gems
nova aspen
thats why im excited to try that other build, it uses 3 uniques all are 1 chaos
balmy condor
Yeah that’s basically mine too
Amulet chest helmet and both swords are all 1c uniques
Just glove shoes and rings
nova aspen
but lightning strike i still need the taming which is like 1 mil dps on pob
knotty radish
alls good, everyone can have their own opinion, yours is just wrong
I really didn’t mean that. Assa feels like an actual rogue with poisons and all.
balmy condor
And you’re good to go
nova aspen
Amulet chest helmet and both swords are all 1c uniques
yea thats the dream starter build
1c uniques all the way
clever sapphire
I really didn’t mean that. Assa feels like an actual rogue with poisons and all.
tbh i just wanted to hear what you wanted to say, sub is just barely worse than assa because of dust and stepsis
if you had said outlaw, now thats a different story
slim hamlet
balmy condor
https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616
What
slim hamlet
Why
balmy condor
Because damage up
slim hamlet
wtf
sonic zinc
do u like the new stock exchange?
its funny bc people just list things badly sometimes
slim hamlet
That's so dogshit
balmy condor
Super logical
nova aspen
its funny bc people just list things badly sometimes
i saw a screen shot of some1 getting 1 divine for 1 chaos
nova aspen
i think it needs some work but its so convenient
sonic zinc
ye
nova aspen
when u just need a few chroms or something
balmy condor
I mean not ONLY, you go over 50% sometimes just being a silly lil guy waiting for envenom to go into pandemic
But yeah
slim hamlet
I could've sworn that you said it was fine to not chain envenoms to keep over 50% energy now tho
balmy condor
A big part of it
balmy condor
That was like 2 months ago
slim hamlet
Well
balmy condor
And then deathstalker got buffed 3 times
slim hamlet
I only just came back, so probably saw your videos and just didnt look at time of upload
Well
balmy condor
I mean yeah, it’s cutting edge cook atm
slim hamlet
Idk what feels worse, exsang where you had to reapply outside pandemic
balmy condor
The other hot cook atm is dropping sang and imp garrote
slim hamlet
or Sanguine where you just simply dont play it
balmy condor
And taking vicious venom instead
slim hamlet
no matter what he will come for you 
slim hamlet
And taking vicious venom instead
This sounds based
I mean mutilate dmg is about to be 500% increased with deathstalker before we get the expac
silk bane
I mean yeah, it’s cutting edge cook atm
Nah that shits more raw than the chicken I defrosted in the microwave, and it’s half cooked half raw then slammed in a pan for 10 minutes ans it tastes like whale pussy. Pls go back kitchen ty
balmy condor
I mean no imp gar
sonic zinc
a real based cook would be talenting twist the knife
slim hamlet
Oh yea
balmy condor
What are you vanishing for
hollow stone
vanishing to survive a wipe save repair
slim hamlet
omniCD counts vanish as an utility spell
hollow stone
wym?
slim hamlet
sooooooo
Surely there is some reason to vanish
Suuuurely
MA is also deadge
no nightstalker
nova aspen
aggro reset 
sonic zinc
u vanish for IC and thats it
slim hamlet
IC in ST?
sonic zinc
no
slim hamlet
knotty radish
if you had said outlaw, now thats a different story
Meh outlaw is just a drunk pirate who bangs wenches lol.
spice surge
Holding vanish for when the boss jumps away and you have deathstalker stacks on him
So you can vanish and apply the marks to another target
slim hamlet
Meh outlaw is just a drunk pirate who bangs wenches lol.
Just like me besides the wenches fr
slim hamlet
Holding vanish for when the boss jumps away and you have deathstalker stacks on ...
I am not playing this assa
sonic zinc
u know what wouldve been the funniest thing ever
if deathstalker just brought back vendetta
knotty radish
Just like me besides the wenches fr
balmy condor
Surely there is some reason to vanish
If you think of something let me know cause I can’t
slim hamlet
nvm CB exists
slim hamlet
If you think of something let me know cause I can’t
Shrouded
+2 CP one time
for 2 min CD
main blaze
Hunger for Blood was
knotty radish
Is sepsis still a thing?
slim hamlet
For sub no?
knotty radish
No assa
slim hamlet
nopers
slate crown
Is sepsis still a thing?
is sub only now.
knotty radish
Was gonna dust off my rogue tonight
slim hamlet
Bad mistake
knotty radish
Lol why’s that?
slim hamlet
because it's fun, but at the same time not
So you get addicted to the class
but then wish you weren't
knotty radish
Sounds toxic
knotty radish
Giggidy
slim hamlet
idk man none of the wowhead builds has dust
Guessing that happened when double vanish went on class tree
clicking on "talent builds" is too many clicks btw
If you were expecting that
shut canopy
spice surge
Thats the prepatch guide though
slim hamlet
Just the overview page
gusty mirage
yes
spice surge
And also dust probably better anyway, brew just easier, i havent bothered simming any prepatch stuff
gusty mirage
for prepatch
gusty mirage
well I would triple check your head then
slim hamlet
But sec tech do be gaming
gusty mirage
because fully critting your sec tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tea
slim hamlet
Not worth the gcd without imp gar mut is just better
Just never using garrote?
gusty mirage
esp because in dance when are you ever short on energy
balmy condor
Well you maintain it
gusty mirage
you're only short on energy outside of dance windows
gusty mirage
where you do fuck all for damage
balmy condor
I guess
balmy condor
Although
Lemme check the build
Idk if shrouded is talented
Would be weird
Yeah 
slim hamlet
You talking Cevs cook?
balmy condor
You talking Cevs cook?
Idk what did cev cook
slim hamlet
Idk what did cev cook
Thought it was cev cooking that demonic build
balmy condor
We’ve all kinda been
slim hamlet
Ah
balmy condor
I’ve been trying to make vicious venom work since 10.2
slim hamlet
Just saw him talking about Viscious
gusty mirage
Thought it was cev cooking that demonic build
@limber lion I thought you were quitting you bitch
slim hamlet
idk have you thought about just putting them on it?
slim hamlet
<@165215952479322112> I thought you were quitting you bitch
I legit resubbed a couple hours ago
:))))))
It's over for me
spice surge
The absolute most cursed timeline is when they fix dashing scoundrel to work
slim hamlet
That actually hurts
spice surge
And we drop AP for scoundrel
slim hamlet
Oh shit
Now I know why we chain envenom
Didn't even realise the new Rapid Injection
Was that cttc before?
sonic zinc
ye
slim hamlet
mmm
sonic zinc
imma say it
slim hamlet
imma listen
sonic zinc
twist the knife is the play for sure
slim hamlet
sonic zinc
mmmm delicious
slim hamlet
TTB is the play before twist the knife
Think about all that energy you're saving for more envenom chains
sonic zinc
yea with ttk u get 100%
slim hamlet
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> I thought you were quitting you bitch
I'm confused
spice lagoon
Out of the blue but I believe fire mage is gonna be op after Tuesday for reset
slim hamlet
Since when hasn't it been?
gusty mirage
season 1 of DF
slim hamlet
ornate gazelle
does iron wire silence offtargets getting garroted by indiscrimate carnage?
slim hamlet
Classic
gusty mirage
does iron wire silence offtargets getting garroted by indiscrimate carnage?
yeppers
unless they're immune to being silenced
ornate gazelle
hell yeah
gusty mirage
which some mobs are
also idk if they ever fixed it, but if you gar a mob that's immune to silence I don't think it transfers the silence
someone would have to double check
slim hamlet
also idk if they ever fixed it, but if you gar a mob that's immune to silence I ...
aintnoway
limber lion
and you told me you were quitting
well I did cook a while ago, but doesn't mean I have to log into the game to do that 
ornate gazelle
man with the stops change in dungeons next tier silences are gonna be so good. tanks with aoe silences and iron wire stocks ⬆️
limber lion
coach mode
slim hamlet
Damn
limber lion
don't play the game but yell at people
spice spire
Damn
slim hamlet
tbf how often are you garroting an already silenced mob
slim hamlet
if there are 5 mobs
gusty mirage
or do you want shiennar/whispyr to do it
spice spire
Cev deserves legacy
limber lion
Sure I'll send em a msg
gusty mirage
Cev deserves legacy
you deserve a legacy more than anyone else
you did more log review threads than moroes did in #subtlety
spice spire
My legacy is assassination being a yapfest
twin ermine
Is shadow runner bad for assass?
Or is it pointless cuz we aren't really in stealth that often?
royal lantern
its a talent that does nothing beyond "you walk faster while in stealth"
and idk
thats moments where im mounted lol
slim hamlet
Or is it pointless cuz we aren't really in stealth that often?
@balmy condor another reason to use vanish
But yea pretty pointless now without dance for raid at least
royal lantern
i mean, even with dance it was not "fuck yeha, shadowrunner" thing
it was "have to take it i gues"
slim hamlet
Yea but still 10% uptime
royal lantern
slim hamlet
Even tho you wouldn't use it when you gotta move anyways
But like maybe on council, larry or tswift it was doing something
every 10 pulls
long island
when war within comes out, will there be m+ on day1?
spice surge
no
jaunty matrix
hollow stone
m+ starts with mythic raid start, sep 17/18 depending on where you live
clever sapphire
i minmax my melee dmg
slim hamlet
spam right click
slim hamlet
That was the worst gif ever
flint marsh
Bleedmaxxing supremacy
bleedmaxxing without internal bleeding, sus
spice spire
Tell them!!
slate crown
every one of my buttons is melee
/stopattack```
Autoattack? drakenah
Manualattack? drakepoint
spice surge
Everyday im grungling - A famous philosopher
spice spire
Yeah, me
past forum
```/startattack
/stopattack```
Autoattack? drakenah
Manualattack? drakepoint
I thought “drakenah” was some Game of Thrones dragonspeak nonsense
austere sorrel
Drakenah 🔥🐲
bitter wasp
!restealth
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Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
royal python
Is the legion class hall blocked from access?
normal mist
Bug yes
royal python
Hmm weird kind of bug cause there's a portal set up for escape downstairs to go to thaldrazus
languid field
You can get in
But there are random invisible walls in parts of it
Go in through the cheese store
royal python
Ah thanks, I got in, but the wartable for missions is missing
normal mist
Yeah the whole area is not really usable
royal python
Ok thanks
cursive knoll
!wa
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runic hinge
Yeah the whole area is not really usable
crazy how much of the game they seemed to have messed with that seems unrelated to the pre-patch content
A friend of mine was trying to do the illidan questline in the class hall where you are him and you're trying to kill stuff at BRH and she just gets one shot if she gets touched by a mob
royal lantern
crazy how much of the game they seemed to have messed with that seems unrelated ...
i mean
people seem to forget a really big thing that we got with the patch
cross realm guilds
im not suprised that shit breaks with that featured added, ngl
runic hinge
Warbands too
haughty flicker
I’d argue warbands is probably the bigger cause ye
I can’t imagine how much was changed on the back end for that
runic hinge
but the class hall suddenly having invisible walls and throwing off quest scaling is just weird lol
haughty flicker
And how much random shit is being effected by it
royal lantern
but the class hall suddenly having invisible walls and throwing off quest scalin...
i always take up the same thing
we got 4 more bagslots
and in the same patch, kaelthas went bald
runic hinge
flint marsh
the value is insane
tawny junco
Little question
Do we use vanish in opener near the end of deathmark or do we keep it for the second deathmark to get the improved garrote there as well?
clever sapphire
on opener use it to refresh imp garrote in dm, and then just delay the 2nd dm a bit until you can vanish before dm
should be around 6 or so seconds
yap its on wowhead
runic hinge
pvp'ers always have the most interesting builds
tawny junco
on opener use it to refresh imp garrote in dm, and then just delay the 2nd dm a ...
Thanks
clever sapphire
Hey, is it worth to buy volcoross neck with bullion ?
i mean if you have everything else already, you can either just sim it like usual or just buy it and see how it is
i bought like the echo trinket and even the aberrus stat stick already, heck even bought augury just for the funs
already have all the mog options too that i wanted with bullions
so there is no "go buy this if you have all the bis items"
clever sapphire
because of the stats
vagrant hinge
yup
clever sapphire
assa doesnt care much about stats
you take them all
so at that point its the question of the effect
and i never heard anyone say they bought the neck for the effect
tropic zodiac
We use tea primarly for energy, don't care about the mastery buff for the last 6s of kb ? (ST)
clever sapphire
We use tea primarly for energy, don't care about the mastery buff for the last 6...
grim jay
Cast Thistle Tea during Shiv, but only if you can ensure you won't overcap Energy Energy the guide says aswell
tropic zodiac
I'm sorry, thanks !
waxen oyster
assa doesnt care much about stats
it's a reliable source for a 528 neck
if you dont raid mythic, otherwise meh
clever sapphire
well yeah i didnt mean it in a way that its bad, i just wanted to say that we dont crave any stat in particular as much as outlaw does
and thats why you wont find anyone in a big hype to get that neck
waxen oyster
Yeah at this point it barely matters haha
clever sapphire
also that
just get whatever sounds fun
and feck around with it
just dont get augury, it legit does no dmg
source, i tried it in 2 keys
waxen oyster
Idk i just log in for sale
rogue is insanely bad in prepatch my 509 warrior does more damage.
clever sapphire
my 3rd key was brh, i legit went out of the dungeon after 3 pulls to replace the trinket 
clever sapphire
rogue is insanely bad in prepatch my 509 warrior does more damage.
well i dunno about that, im still blasting in keys
raid is whatever
waxen oyster
havent tested much
clever sapphire
best raid comp is just all the bm hunters and all the specs that buff the bm hunters
waxen oyster
fury numbers are vile from what i've seen
clever sapphire
aye thats what ive seen/heard also
just make sure you dont go into a key with a frost dk or fury warrior
and you will get to have fun
waxen oyster
I did a pug hc run to test patch out
clever sapphire
(also people are legit typing in the queue notes that they want a frost dk for their +10-12)
waxen oyster
that alt warrior character beating the 526 rogue on every boss.
Really says something
clever sapphire
its just bad kill times 
waxen oyster
Bad kill strat is why i got griefed on our rasza prepatch kill
being on adds side and the ruiner has no hp
nothing to kb
clever sapphire
i wasnt there on most of rasza prog so i have no idea how that fight is supposed to look
i just got into the group yesterday where we killed it 2nd pull
clever sapphire
also the fact that the intermission adds have 5 hp
clever sapphire
yap same
i just accepted that i wont do any dmg anyways
because timings are all fecked
waxen oyster
also the fact that the intermission adds have 5 hp <:dracthyr_kek:10024541367065...
Yeah i should have been assigned blue side
where there's at least one big add
waxen oyster
It's not worth for sin but they wanted it for comp reasons
You can kb a proto but dm is severe overkill
waxen oyster
Ok who let him cook
clever sapphire
never seen the adds
never will
so i will never taste my cooking
easy
but ye adds as assa sounds miserable
waxen oyster
yeah more an outlaw job
clever sapphire
but boss wasnt much better, she was immune usually like 15 seconds after the eggs broke
clever sapphire
also our bm hunter managed to feck up the eggs 3 times
so we had 3 wipes
crazy huh
waxen oyster
sounds like us
clever sapphire
he was legit thinking "what should i macro the pi whisper onto on council?"
he doesnt even know what he is doin
bm hunter moment
im already scared of the tww broodkeeper
is that also a boss where like 3 people are assigned to eggs?
silk bane
Not really everyone can break eggs because people get debuffs and u need to go to eggs with them to break the eggs
balmy condor
It’s basically like a little purple aoe circle
And you go hug and egg
I think in 20 man mythic we had like 5? Circles
royal lantern
I think in 20 man mythic we had like 5? Circles
whisp going for those beta mythic rankings, i see
vale shore
I take it we are going to be thirsting for this ring pretty hard then?
royal lantern
not more then everyone else
balmy condor
Bout as hard as every other spec yeah
clever sapphire
I think in 20 man mythic we had like 5? Circles
you are telling me that im gonna have to prog that boss until every dumbass in my group gets how to move to an egg
clever sapphire
i sure do hope so, people already have a hard time when they have to move to the right at terros
silk bane
Like you could two man an egg and still be fine
You’re supposed to, which is the fucked up part of the fight. U need like what 3 people to break an egg? And if u miss an egg it’s a wipe?
Idk seems rough with the coordination
errant trail
limber lion
sus
silk bane
He lying; probably sent him feet pics. Smh
spice spire
No whispyr sends those
silk bane
??? I have been requesting them for like 2 months now. I didn’t get one 
amber fossil
!wa
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spice spire
??? I have been requesting them for like 2 months now. I didn’t get one <:sitmad...
Yeah you gotta be a CF for a year before he does
It’s like
An anniversary gift
silk bane
Ongomgomg yay. Gonna put it on my calendar then! Can’t wait
spice spire
Ongomgomg yay. Gonna put it on my calendar then! Can’t wait
Can’t wait to frame you and get you kicked off 364 days on
👿
silk bane
Okay Satan calm down! That’s just pure evil.
Bro invented evil
If I get kicked off I’m coming over and taking a pic of your feet instead
spice spire
Dog you don’t want my feet they’re large and ugly
silk bane
I’m already sold! No need to oversell
spice spire
royal lantern
You’re supposed to, which is the fucked up part of the fight. U need like what 3...
something something "we dont want mechanics where a single mistake from a single player causes instantly a wipe"
silk bane
I’m expecting it to be a really hard fight ngl
balmy condor
Dog you don’t want my feet they’re large and ugly
More surface area
spice spire
What does he mean by that
balmy condor
I’m a big boy
runic hinge
i sure do hope so, people already have a hard time when they have to move to the...
To the right?!!!! Who goes to the right
amber fossil
is it ok to refresh garr when we need 1 cp for last tick of ER?
no matter how much time is left on that garr
runic hinge
You also have 45 seconds to hit all of them. When we used to play it a couple patches ago I think I missed 3 charged combo points all patch
There’s no rush
amber fossil
ty guys
first time playing ER, this a lot more fun than a static rotaion
adds spice
runic hinge
Keeps things just a bit more interesting
manic wagon
!pooling
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Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
clever sapphire
To the right?!!!! Who goes to the right
wat, everywhere i have been you go to the right because you go clockwise with annihilate
grim jay
??? I have been requesting them for like 2 months now. I didn’t get one <:sitmad...
you need to try to tell him "zeig füße süße"
should work
grim jay
first time playing ER, this a lot more fun than a static rotaion
I like your optimism
kinda refreshing, considering people usually hate on ER
clever sapphire
imagine hating on er
the 3 cp er is the best thing
i can er at the end of a pull and just have a lot of 7 cp bleeds out
easy
royal lantern
kinda refreshing, considering people usually hate on ER
for a good reason
fuck ER
lol
royal lantern
well duh
clever sapphire
i wont even talk, loving sbs is only for people on a higher level, you guys just dont get it
hidden crown
which mythic+ talent is best?
runic hinge
wat, everywhere i have been you go to the right because you go clockwise with an...
We always went left 
clever sapphire
which mythic+ talent is best?
what key lvl?
well if anything under 15-16 id say the bleed build
so suggested one on wowhead
waxen oyster
I take it we are going to be thirsting for this ring pretty hard then?
This ring likely goes to havoc first.
clever sapphire
We always went left <:kekW:1154380282720436307>
i have never once in my life went left
waxen oyster
considering they get crit damage from crit rating+chaos is all schools
runic hinge
i have never once in my life went left
Are you oce
runic hinge
Annihilate
clever sapphire
annihilate we go left ye
i thought we were talking about the stack thingy
where you stack up, go right and then left twice
runic hinge
That makes more sense
clever sapphire
annihilate everyone manages cause they take the portal
but the stack there is always atleast 1 guy that goes to the left
so we have shit in the way
hidden crown
what key lvl?
ty sm ❤️
sonic sun
our class order hall is bugged rn too?
cant get into hall of shadows apparently otthers are having issue
balmy condor
correct
slim hamlet
Some guy found a hackerman way in
Maybe if he is lurking here he will tell his secrets
hidden crown
got all the rogue bitches in my secret underground basement
slim hamlet
fr
glossy aspen
did I miss a change or why is Assa all of a sudden so energy draining?
glossy aspen
no, usually i could chain envenoms forever, now i am done after 4
spice surge
You lost venom rush, which is 5 less cost on mutilate, which doesnt matter much
glossy aspen
thats what i mean, it played it last thursday and i was spamming envenoms
now i cant anymore
balmy condor
no poisons I guess idk
glossy aspen
OH MY GOD
slate crown
Yeah that's a no poison angle
glossy aspen
my wa is dead
slate crown
lmao
carmine fable
is assa good in s1?
haughty flicker
slate crown
we need that sectec + cb macro on stealth bar image in this channel for poisons missing
clever sapphire
is assa good in s1?
ask after heroic week is over
aight i gotta say, doing a key with a frost dk in it is probably the least fun experience in all of S4
runic hinge
whats in there
People doing class hall stuff cause everyone is swapping to rogue
balmy condor
surely
quiet oar
ask after heroic week is over
Wdym??? You cant predict the Tier list for raid content thsts in 6 weeks???
earnest remnant
i can!
clever sapphire
i could refer to a specific guys tierlist who put us under "impressive" 
earnest remnant
warlock + dk S tier
clever sapphire
so i guess assa is gonna be impressive in s1
earnest remnant
mage high A / S tier
clever sapphire
but only in m+
earnest remnant
thats all you need to know
clever sapphire
liar, you forgot aug in Z tier
earnest remnant
aug doesent exist
sonic sun
is silent star cape an issue with sin spec, such as breaking stealth in keys? Ik its a bit more of a issue with law
quiet oar
mage high A / S tier
Wow look at him, Ranking the Wildcard
slim hamlet
is silent star cape an issue with sin spec, such as breaking stealth in keys? Ik...
yes
quiet oar
At A/S Tier
slim hamlet
Or at least it was in s2
tropic cedar
Wow look at him, Ranking the Wildcard
well ya can't get them nerfed now can we?
quiet oar
Or at least it was in s2
Still is
clever sapphire
use the cape in raid, forget to unequip in m+ so i walk out after 2nd pull and unequip it
thats how i do it
quiet oar
use the cape in raid, forget to unequip in m+ so i walk out after 2nd pull and u...
Wait
You Do stuff outside of raid
HUH
slim hamlet
illegal
clever sapphire
ye i do the keys
clever sapphire
i try to look for groups without a frost dk
because seeing frost dk dmg makes me depressed
slim hamlet
ye i do the keys
aren't you usually on first page rio for sin?
or just similar profile pic
tropic cedar
There was 8 rogues in my 35 person bg the other day <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
damn all 8 rogues in the game and you got them all in one bg
clever sapphire
i am on one of the pages thats for sure
tropic cedar
thats bigly
slim hamlet
i am on one of the pages thats for sure
slim hamlet
i got bad news
clever sapphire
aren't you usually on first page rio for sin?
IIIIIF we talk about realm i am on the first
tropic cedar
no im just dyslexic kek
slim hamlet
IIIIIF we talk about realm i am on the first
fair
clever sapphire
ah wait you said sin
slim hamlet
yer
haughty flicker
slim hamlet
so bad smh my head mh
clever sapphire
look im rank 1 region
slim hamlet
quiet oar
look im rank 1 region <:dracthyr_sip:1002333380056195112>
You are rank 1 in my heart
slim hamlet
fr and ong
clever sapphire
sadly i cant cook as well as he does
slim hamlet
clever sapphire
would eat
runic hinge
sadly i cant cook as well as he does
Play no kb double vanish IB
slim hamlet
thanks
clever sapphire
Play no kb double vanish IB
i wanted to go no AP bleed build with bonespike
slim hamlet
now I gotta change underwear
clever sapphire
but my group told me to go AP for the soothe
hidden crown
Invisible food Baki
runic hinge
You can play no kb and get shrouded and sbs 
clever sapphire
might as well go internal bleeding also at that point
slim hamlet
bro stealing cooks
runic hinge
Can shiv on cd
slim hamlet
classic rogue
runic hinge
Could save to cover dm but then the other minute it’s whenever
clever sapphire
wdym stealth benefits? i dont even run IC 
runic hinge
Drop imp garrote and shrouded too so you really don’t care
clever sapphire
imma be mutilate doomblade spreading
slim hamlet
finally
runic hinge
Does VV spatter?
clever sapphire
wdym spatter, you dont have spatter
clever sapphire
man forgot what he was cookin
runic hinge
Well I was cooking something else. I went to a different burner
flint marsh
Could save to cover dm but then the other minute it’s whenever
real cook is no deathmark
restive ferry
I take it we are going to be thirsting for this ring pretty hard then?
holy balls
slim hamlet
real cook is no deathmark
Real cook is no venemous wounds
flint marsh
hell yeah
slim hamlet
hell yeah we say in unison
hidden herald
Sin hits harder with maces, chefs kiss
normal mist
Careful with the meme cooks, before a streamer/YouTuber joins the channel and makes a video with the new (meme) cooks " Rogue is absolutely broken with this new build "
And then we'll have to clean up a lot of mess
And when I say we, it's mainly whispyr
(I'm partially joking)
royal lantern
And then we'll have to clean up a lot of mess
idle pasture
On the first deathmark After doing the deathmark in the opener where you vanish ~6seconds left on deathmark to reapply garrote. do i wait for vanish to come back up so i have an empowered garrote before the entirety of deathmark? delaying deathmark by ~10s?
flint marsh
prepatch is specifically designed to spread meme cooks, it would be dishonourable not to
runic hinge
On the first deathmark After doing the deathmark in the opener where you vanish ...
Yeah
slim hamlet
prepatch is specifically designed to spread meme cooks, it would be dishonourabl...
Oh sweet summer child
You think it's only during prepatch?
flint marsh
prepatch just means there’s less people around to correct the info
balmy condor
we have the same amount of people here correcting info
slim hamlet
I can't wait until we get TWW sims to minmin
We lost a good talent for minminning in CTTC being baseline
oblique jackal
i wish theyd make slice and dice a passive
slim hamlet
Here we go again
oblique jackal
just stirring the pot lmaoo
sharp lily
runic hinge
I wish they’d get rid of Cttc and make us hard cast slice and dice but make it super strong
runic hinge
Auto attacks top of details pls
wicked valve
Just tried my first mythic with the new acro strike, im crying.
slim hamlet
I unironically wouldn't be mad casting SnD as an actual finisher
oblique jackal
^
slim hamlet
Another thing to keep in mind is always a plus to me
vale shore
I not only wish to get rid of cut to chase, I wish Slice and Dice had both a cast time AND a channel
runic hinge
I unironically wouldn't be mad casting SnD as an actual finisher
Okay it locks you in an animation where you stab super fast for like 3 seconds with a 30 second cd
balmy condor
Just tried my first mythic with the new acro strike, im crying.
whats wrong with it
sage siren
I wish I would understand the hell you all writing, imagine starting WoW yesterday for the first time 
But Rogue fun as hell
oblique jackal
Unpopulari opinion but.. they should move SBS to ER position. Then get rid of ER forever
runic hinge
So you cast kb and then slice and dice and bam you get a bunch of stacks
slim hamlet
I mean
That sounds nice and all and probalby even fits assa
But
Being stuck for 3 seconds sounds horrendous
runic hinge
Yeah I didn’t want it to be good
slim hamlet
oh
vale shore
I wish we still had to craft poisons, with reagents that cost money, and each poison had a certain number of charges
slim hamlet
balmy condor
I wish I would understand the hell you all writing, imagine starting WoW yesterd...
you'll get used to it
vale shore
oh and we had to skill up our poison crafting
slim hamlet
I wish I would understand the hell you all writing, imagine starting WoW yesterd...
We don't know what anyone is writing here either half the time, it's alright
sage siren
We don't know what anyone is writing here either half the time, it's alright
Well, that makes me happy atleast
oblique jackal
Thought we were just here for the fun
runic hinge
Mostly I’m just in here yapping
slim hamlet
The days where anyone comes and actually asks about assa is a blessing
Unless it is "which poison" and "when puzzlebox"
sage siren
I am just trying to figure out the gearing, meh. Not used to stats like that
strange python
The days where anyone comes and actually asks about assa is a blessing
How do I key without restealth or shadow dance is my favorite
balmy condor
I am just trying to figure out the gearing, meh. Not used to stats like that
equip highest item level 
we don't care about secondaries
slim hamlet
That's not very nice
tough gorge
Only tertiaries
slim hamlet
How many patches before they just remove teriaries btw
They acknowledge it's a problem and removed half of leech
sage siren
equip highest item level <:okay:1108186943809921134>
Oh well, isn't there a "sample" of alright crit/mastery etc. %? I am still gearing up, but I am like at 32%/13%/32%/31%/7%
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
strange python
Oh well, isn't there a "sample" of alright crit/mastery etc. %? I am still geari...
Especially with Assassination rogue - no
balmy condor
just item level
slim hamlet
34
balmy condor
always item level
strange python
There’s not a lot of specs in the game left that really care about stats
analog hornet
Why we dont use the Fyrakk trinket? 🤔
slim hamlet
Have we ever?
balmy condor
cause it sucks
sage siren
just item level
Lovely, are the purple Awakened Mythic gears at 522 ilvl worth actually purchasing from Auction House if I ever get that much gold?
balmy condor
probably not
strange python
No especially not right mown
Now*
There’s a new expansion coming out with new gear in a few weeks
slim hamlet
The new expansion is coming in 27 days, not much reason to spend gold on stuff right now
When the expansion comes you get 10 levels higher and all your old gear is useless
Or not fully useless, it makes leveling quicker
Right now people just vibe and do what they like
wicked valve
whats wrong with it
I just miss my long arms.
balmy condor
slim hamlet
Haven't used that since the rework
balmy condor
but we didn't play long arms
wicked valve
But I am a bad rogue, I enjoyed long arm.
slim hamlet
Just play first person
severe condor
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
wicked valve
I played too much outlaw last patch, that's probably the issue.
slate crown
Just don’t mention it in the channel
slim hamlet
Did they actually not get it
slate crown
Or do
slim hamlet
Could've sworn they got the 2yard one baseline
sick sail
aight ladies and gents, ima head out to a coffee lounge and read more wowhead SIN rogue, and practice more rotations, looking forward to doing m+s in the future, my current guild merged with more nerds so im basically kicked out
slim hamlet
Always them damned nerds
sick sail
too many of them!!!! naw they nice, they just all work from home and far better at the game
vale shore
it's okay to play with nerds you know. You don't have to leave your guild
sick sail
they told me i didnt have a spot cause they merged it, kinda lame
vale shore
guilds have "Spots" still? Was this like a corporate merger?
balmy condor
guilds have "Spots" still? Was this like a corporate merger?
I mean you can only bring 20 people to mythic
slim hamlet
guilds have "Spots" still? Was this like a corporate merger?
huh
sick sail
exactly..lol
balmy condor
can't have a 30 man roster with 20 people
sick sail
how does that not make sense, weird statement tbh
balmy condor
slim hamlet
can't have a 30 man roster with 20 people
Well
vale shore
the guild ONLY does mythic raids? No heroics? no M+?
sick sail
nothing how my guild moved on haha
they do heroics and m+, but their philosophy is they play with those who are raiding for the gear
thats all
slim hamlet
Well if you wanna do mythic raiding you are not gonna stay in a guild you can only heroic in
balmy condor
heroic is content for 2 weeks
sick sail
yea they were a mythic guild, usually we run heroics once or twice, and with some mythic gear if i get lucky i can just solo heroics later
balmy condor
you don't mythic raid to do heroics
sick sail
but ill have to work to get to normal first at this point
slim hamlet
heroic is content for 2 weeks
elitist
vale shore
heroic raids are the super bowl for my guild
balmy condor
just is what it is
slim hamlet
Yer
balmy condor
like if you're raiding heroic
sick sail
i know...wat im saying is...i cant just do heroics, so last patch we did mythics when we could and fortunately with better gear i could join pugs
balmy condor
you wouldn't be in a guild that only does normal
slim hamlet
I love my LFR only guild
sick sail
correct
slim hamlet
Would never change
sick sail
LOL ill join that LFR guild..
gusty lichen
You guys think rogue is down bad enough right now that there’ll only be 1 spot per raid team? Kinda getting concerned lol
slim hamlet
Sorry no more spots
slim hamlet
You guys think rogue is down bad enough right now that there’ll only be 1 spot p...
Depends on tuning
sick sail
unless they are nice
slim hamlet
Every single number on beta is fake right now
sick sail
once all the sin rogues start playing i think we'll be aight
slim hamlet
and you only got like 4 free spots now because of raid buffs
So 2 of a class means they good good
vale shore
We all just have to meet up in our class order hall in Dalaran sewers when the expansion launches, we should be safe there...
vale shore
meth er, I mean rogue poisons
vale shore
It's the triumphant return of the rogue class order hall. Once again the Uncrowned will strike from the shadows and bring victory against the darkness!
slim hamlet
Only thing I remember from class hall is Valeera 🧎♂️ and that pirate guy
vale shore
Ravenholdt himself was the best companion "here, let be take 90% of this mob/player's health for you!"
slim hamlet
Oh wait I also remember the intro
Where you opened the hidden wall or whatever
Kinda cool
vale shore
You remember Amber Kearnan being killed off?
slim hamlet
I know 0 names in this game
vale shore
oh, she was a quest NPC going back to vanilla
slim hamlet
Besides Valeera 🧎♂️
vale shore
then we meet her as a spider-creature in the Shadowlands
delicate orbit
We all just have to meet up in our class order hall in Dalaran sewers when the e...
But it's broken.
vale shore
But it's broken.
Spoiler alert: It's about to get a lot worse
delicate orbit
Spoiler alert: It's about to get a lot worse
No. No no no.
I went in to complete my mount on my old rogue and find I couldn't even zone in. Some timey wimey crap.
delicate orbit
Why is Whispyrs cog here
I'm like whispyr but 100% more Gnome
slim hamlet
and with cog
delicate orbit
Much cog
balmy condor
polar timber
is mark supposed to be this low 
balmy condor
yes
polar timber
lol
slim hamlet
3% for a talent is pretty good
polar timber
eh i feel like hunt them down and that could swap
balmy condor
oh sure
I feel like hunt them down could also not exist
but welcome to deathstalker
slim hamlet
You know a way to fix that is just deleting SnD
polar timber
ya i just tried it for the first time today
i like it just feels weird going to max combo points
balmy condor
the capstone is 7
slim hamlet
Oh yea
balmy condor
did you play it in keys at all
vale shore
do echoing reprimand empowered combo points count as max combo points?
balmy condor
no
polar timber
i havent is it bad in keys
vale shore
ooof
polar timber
or is it just irritating ambushing
balmy condor
ambushing sucks
vale shore
yes, it is. Just for that I am heavily leaning toward fatebound
polar timber
they should make garrote or ambush apply it
slim hamlet
That has to be the worst thing I have heard about it yet
slim hamlet
is ER not working
spice surge
ER works, it just doesnt work with deathstalkers stuff
slim hamlet
more reason to go with the mad coin-flipper spec!
vale shore
getting an extra combo point on seal fate procs is pretty slick too
slim hamlet
Until you have to get used to it every time you switch between
Like with improved ambush
Ehh I guess you don't since it's already part of the random proc
I am cookn't
vale shore
Oh man, I got too many combo points for ER.... but I got 7 combo points anyway. Everything's coming up Milhouse!
rain mortar
I know deathstslker is weird and awkward but I find myself playing it on beta more than fateblund because I at least kind of have to think a little bit
runic helm
They should definitely make ER combopoints count as max for deathstalker capstone imo. Makes no sense it doesn't.
buoyant moat
They should definitely make ER combopoints count as max for deathstalker capston...
they should remove ER
runic helm
I actually like ER because it switches up when you spend so I enjoy the gameplay actually. haha
delicate orbit
they should remove ER <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
Hey
slate crown
I actually like ER because it switches up when you spend so I enjoy the gameplay...
You like 
because it switches up when you spend.
I like because schwing ooo shiny we are not the same
ripe carbon
the wowhead rotation page is broken?
buoyant moat
no too much to think about and just a silly ability
balmy condor
the wowhead rotation page is broken?
looks fine to me
buoyant moat
1% dps at max is not worth thinking about another 45 second button push
balmy condor
er is not 1% dps lmao
balmy condor
it isnt though
balmy condor
buoyant moat
thats 1%
buoyant moat
ya