assassination

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s just bad ilvl

It’s max hero track from vault I think

[spice surge]

Well before they changed it this week it had no passive stats and the on-use was 4 times as strong

[balmy condor]

Yeah

They already nerfed it as well

[spice surge]

That was a good trinket, now its mediocre just like all the other trinkets

It also has a 1.5 second cast which is annoying

But you can use it off-gcd so its not that bad

[spice lagoon]

@balmy condor #wowheadnews message

[balmy condor]

Yeah those were hotfixed in on the 25th

[willow rapids]

you can watch his video on it tommy, you'll see what happiness looks like

[balmy condor]

For reference when it says “hotfixed” and “have been pushed”

It’s already active by the time that post goes live

If they weren’t active it would be “upcoming tuning” or “next reset” or something

That’s usually the terms that get used for those situations

hotfixes are instant

Bigger tuning changes for reset

[royal lantern]

wow

i learn the blizz/wowhead language today

[near magnet]

any talent trees for beta raiding?

[royal lantern]

pins

[haughty flicker]

from Wowhead himself no less

truly a glorious day

[royal lantern]

wait

whisp is John Wowhead?

[haughty flicker]

a celebrity

[balmy condor]

The pins + your favorite hero talent

[balmy condor]

Me alone

Willy Wowhead himself

[fleet pagoda]

John Assassination... Johnny Sins?

[balmy condor]

Don’t tell them my secret

[runic hinge]

ass master but not the rogue kind

[balmy condor]

True

[errant trail]

question

if death mark is down

i’m only using thistle tea once for 1MIN cds

right?

[static glacier]

yes

[hardy rapids]

Getting in assassination again and damn is it overwhelming in m+ sometimes

any tips for keeping track of bleeds in big groups?

[normal mist]

WA's are probably the best way

[hardy rapids]

okie

[shut canopy]

I think most standard WA's will show a little number above rupture, garrote etc to show how many ads have the bleeds on them but there's also nameplates for it

[balmy condor]

yeh big packs I'm looking at nameplates

weakauras to track scent stacks

rest doesn't matter much

energy I do by feel

[hardy rapids]

i have a hard time with energy management, it feels like i have to actually management with this spec

thats probably due to needing constant bleed on all targets and timing thistle teas well

[balmy condor]

managing energy is a core part of the spec yes

[errant trail]

so i did like

2.7mil on dragon pack after frog boss in halls

i feel like i’m still having a hard time using thistle tea on the last 6 seconds of kb

[balmy condor]

well, good news is that in less than a month, you won't have to

well

even now you don't

but I get the habit

[errant trail]

hm yeah it will take some time

[rotund oak]

yeah my mage talents were reset,can confirm

[balmy condor]

just cast it with shiv if you need energy

since we don't cast it on the last 6 of kb anymore

get used to it now

[copper shore]

would it make sense to macro the prime 3 being dm/shiv/kb and play with trinkets when needed or just macro trinkets and such with dm and keybind the rest?

[balmy condor]

you can't macro gcds together

so that's already cooked

but trinket with dm is usually a good idea

[copper shore]

ofc thanks for the reminder. that was not well thought trough

currently I have everything worked in dm and I find I just focus on maintaining garrote and rupture more and I get by

still having to adjust not having dance

so at times when I forget everything gets REALLY slow 😛

[balmy condor]

dance did nothing

no adjustment needed

just don't garrote after kb

[copper shore]

yep thanks for the reminder. just did a few m+ yesterday and now I am working through the wowhead wall of text for pre-patch rotationals so I can adjust and muscle memory from there. Thanks for going deep there @balmy condor

[errant trail]

that’s a good way to put it

[balmy condor]

[copper shore]

still assass is not really in a bad place I found

[balmy condor]

np

[errant trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080371482368163921/1132172720990322838/dabparrot.gif

[balmy condor]

wdym, that's just the logic

[copper shore]

did 1 dungeon aside a warrior but he went out there but thats the only one

[balmy condor]

cast tea during shiv, if you don't overcap energy

[errant trail]

ok

also what about master assass

[balmy condor]

no gameplay around it

we don't vanish last 3 of kb, don't tea last 6 of kb

tea is now with shiv

[copper shore]

some pulls that becomes tricky especially when you have a lot of bleeds out during the opener

[balmy condor]

and master assassin just exists

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

well in aoe obviously you can just slam the tea

you dont want to overcap tea charges

[copper shore]

true I tend to be too preservative though. my learning curve

[errant trail]

so macro shiv/tea is dps loss

[balmy condor]

yes

[errant trail]

that’s why my kingsbang wasn’t hitting harder

[balmy condor]

what

[normal mist]

Or maybe because of the... nerf

[balmy condor]

that has nothing to do with it

[copper shore]

my other main is resto druid so I tend to react to the situation more then working for top meters in m+

[rotund oak]

Isnt supposed KB initial hit to still be storng

[copper shore]

works against me at times

[rotund oak]

KB stacks where nerfed

[errant trail]

no because if i tea too early

i lose some mastery

right?

[normal mist]

Yeah no

[balmy condor]

if you macro tea to shiv

you actually are doing MORE kb damage

cause you're just slamming teas during kb

when you probably shouldn't be

[normal mist]

morf probably isnt aware of the KB changes

[errant trail]

i’m getting used to the new shit

ye

i’m gonna have to fix my brain

[normal mist]

We used to play around KB window

[errant trail]

i’m living a lie

[normal mist]

because BRRRRRRRRRR

now KB isnt doing as much dmg due to some changes

[balmy condor]

the only thing you do with KB is shiv

that's it

[errant trail]

okay i need to unmacro this

asap

im depleting

[rotund oak]

we still cover the entirety of KB with 2 shivs aight?

[copper shore]

having to react more to the situation feels better though. before it was just very formulaic. reminds me of doing spine during realm firsts where subt was VERY formulaic

[rotund oak]

or we dont

[balmy condor]

yes ofc

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

ty

[balmy condor]

what else would you do with shiv

[rotund oak]

envenom

[balmy condor]

send it and then mut 4x

poggers

[balmy condor]

well yeah

but why shiv for envenom

when you can shiv for envenom AND kingsbane

[rotund oak]

yeah exactly why i had my 2nd thoughts,u cna just have both

[copper shore]

I think when you go for spatter and have enough energy tier does the rest with the chaining and works well right or am I wrong

after bleeds and such are done

assuming bleeds are spread and then you go for the kb moment

[balmy condor]

yeh

you get your bleeds spread

and then just caustic, cd

and go

[copper shore]

think neltharion the first packs pulled together are a good example. just wait till tank pulls the lot and go

[balmy condor]

ye

[copper shore]

my gear isnt great 519ilvl but I still managed 1.5mil on that pull

[balmy condor]

bleed some stuff

pick the biggest mfer in the pack

mut him

and then send cds

then afk till next pack

[copper shore]

just distraught at the moment where I need 5 dungeons per night and invites are slow as fuck

to upgrade

[rotund oak]

que ur own keys

[balmy condor]

pugging in general is just a miserable experience

I don't recommend it to anyone

[late surge]

pugging is so slow

[copper shore]

haha

[viral aurora]

how come the cleave build isn´t recommended in the pins? does it play bad or something?

[late surge]

unless ur fotm 200 score above the key level

[copper shore]

well maybe some here know what mean. you play but your guild is on holiday

[clever sapphire]

cause its shit in keys under 14-15

[copper shore]

so you log and maybe 2 others are online

[clever sapphire]

with prepatch tuning its probably even higher than that

you prob need to do like a 17-18 for it to really work better than the other builds

[viral aurora]

ahh! right, gotcha! ty mate

shit die too fast etc

[balmy condor]

putting all your eggs into a kingsbane that kills mobs in 1/3rd of its duration

is not the move

[clever sapphire]

pretty much

id say ruby is the only key where cleave works even on lower lvls

since there is always a mob for kb

[copper shore]

well maybe a stupid question I saw a few rogues not going for Echoing R but have "without a trace" running m+

[balmy condor]

idiots

[copper shore]

the extra vanish needs time to run its course right so you might only benefit 1 or 2 depending on the dungeon

[balmy condor]

I actually cannot fathom how any respectable rogue who knows anything about this game

can possibly run that talent

with a straight face

[late surge]

I saw kush do some testing on dummies with it

on beta

pretty sure he was memeing around though

[copper shore]

only 2 vanishes taking RLP for example still is bad.

[errant trail]

we envenoms with 5 cp now?

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean vanish is basically on cooldown the whole dungeon

[errant trail]

not 4 no more

[balmy condor]

yes

[copper shore]

might be people looking at the talent and not the duration of the window

[balmy condor]

I mean you'd have to be actually stupid to not see how terrible that whole column of talents is

[viral aurora]

how many beers in are you atm Whisp?

[spice surge]

The only excuse to run that is "i know its a dps loss but i like having the extra silence available sometime"

Which is sketchy

[balmy condor]

soothing darkness -> does nothing
subterfuge -> does nothing
subterfuge 2 -> does nothing
without a trace -> at most 3, usually 2, sometimes 1 extra vanish casts in a dungeon

[spice surge]

But an argument atleast

[copper shore]

ER is at best good extra combos to keep bleeds rolling when indiscriminate carnage is not up

[balmy condor]

4 points for two extra vanishes in 40 minutes

[copper shore]

I guess

[balmy condor]

is super fucking omegalul

even just taking 2/2 lethality is better

[balmy condor]

stone cold sober I wish I was drunk

[copper shore]

subterfuge with the 6 secs feels like a dummy talent to be changed

but I might be stupid

[balmy condor]

seeing high ranking assa rogues run without a trace makes me want to just chug everclear from the bottle

it's actually crazy how we're still doing this

[haughty flicker]

lmfao

[balmy condor]

I'm out of anger at this point I'm just impressed

[copper shore]

still feels rogues are the playroom spec

that said we have nothing to complain about baseline tbh (been around since 2005)

[clever sapphire]

i somewhat get it or seemed to maybe get it. Zero does it because it seemed like his garrote silences were in their aoe stop rotation so his vanish was legit only used for there

[balmy condor]

yeah and then he double vanishes first pack of the dungeon and never gets a second charge back cause he's always casting it basically on cooldown

[slate crown]

And the thing is at the level they're at, there aren't many others that are willing to run ER/lethality instead, they all just copy each other, and they won't listen to anyone else unless they're at their io level

[balmy condor]

super pog

[clever sapphire]

look im not the smartest tool in the shed

[copper shore]

cuz rogues are the pinnacle spec for creative people and in the end it feels great to be welcome in a team and still do your thing

[balmy condor]

you can pull up his logs, it's legit just double vanish pack 1

and then he doesn't get another extra cast

I cannot explain it

[clever sapphire]

the worse part was where i saw that he played shadowheart (not sure if he still does)

[balmy condor]

my brain simply does not function like his

[slate crown]

Maybe that one extra round of iron wire silences is what makes the pull doable, without it pull is impossible

[balmy condor]

the first pull of every dungeon?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[copper shore]

now we have this 15 years ago it was Aldriana's sheets 😛

[runic hinge]

where were you when i was trying to convince people of this the other night

[balmy condor]

I would hope we didn't need like 20 seconds of straight aoe silence to complete the first pull of every key

[strange python]

I feel like someone mentioning shadow dance and restealths rn would make whispyr really happy

And takers?

[balmy condor]

bro I'm so over it

I've been screaming about restealths and vanish and dance for the better part of a DECADE at this point

and they refuse to fucking listen

it's not on me anymore

[runic hinge]

bro this guy was actually saying he'd sit on the vanish charge so he could have both for certain packs

[late surge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[copper shore]

I think what Whispyr is saying "do not ever forget your bleeds"

[strange python]

It was never you whispyr

You tried your best

[runic hinge]

literally 4 minutes without a vanish

[balmy condor]

if people want to troll themselves and go "but I have io"

then whatever

so be it

[copper shore]

do people ever vanish from here bro? if so anything epic people remember?

good times 🙂

[strange python]

God I wish I would vanish

[copper shore]

I just did in RL... just call my toilet (911-rogue

[slate crown]

yeye exactly that pull every time

[strange python]

That’s the spirit, can’t fix what doesn’t want to be fixed

Feelycraft > facts

[copper shore]

my toilet needs replacement anyways ... its like shadowdance ... (basically what I did there)

[copper shore]

that said my role I feel still remains interrupts whenever wherever and I think it helps in m+

[balmy condor]

this is 16 vanish casts in 31 minutes

[runic hinge]

imagine 1 moree

[balmy condor]

I mean they got their +1

and they got their double ups

this is literally the best possible

without a trace doesn't get any better than this

does this look like it made a difference

[copper shore]

Rogues are the best teamplayers. if not front dps then behind the screens keeping the team safe

man that spatter

[slate crown]

Steelman picture of WaT usage

[balmy condor]

that's with a bleed build btw

this is the breakdown from the first sbs hybrid I could find

you're gonna tell me 15.5% of your damage is bleeds

and you give a shit about restealths and +1 vanish charge for 4 points?

get out

M+ players are not human

[main solar]

Yuck at those rupture numbers. Please buff.

[strange python]

Obviously, would a human ever enjoy keys

[shy pecan]

I love spending four points just for an extra vanish over an entire dungeon though…

[spice surge]

Theyre just experimenting 🙃

[copper shore]

rupture is up but shit is dying quicker

[balmy condor]

yeah they're just experimenting in every key they've played since prepatch

surely

[copper shore]

the rupture is only energy

[vagrant hinge]

Heya, wich buff is better with cuel dreamcarver ? Giant ?

[balmy condor]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[runic hinge]

speed

[balmy condor]

typically speed from dragon

[vagrant hinge]

Ok !

Thx 🙂

[balmy condor]

but yeh it's kinda all whatever

[copper shore]

rupture is gasoline and the mutilate plus the rest made it so

[errant trail]

so i the guide thoroughly and i’ve made some improvements to my keybinds

thank u 🙏🏻

[balmy condor]

glad to help

[runic hinge]

ONE WHOLE VANISH 4 WHOLE POINTS

I was so heated on thursday, I gotta relax

[slate crown]

People really fucking hate ER man god damn

[spice surge]

Sometimes its everyone tbh, season 3 dust sub i couldnt convince people to not use 2 on-use trinkets either.
Simc and just straightup math on a log all showed it wasnt worth

[balmy condor]

I mean you can play ER too

and get double lethality

[spice surge]

Yet everybody was like "but top logs are doing it so it must be correct"

[balmy condor]

and then fok fills your cp

it's quite nice

[spice surge]

Cant win

[static glacier]

you're telling me people acc played 2x on use in keys? bruh

[balmy condor]

yeh sorry eleem math is fake

[clever sapphire]

told me that having an on use with every one of my cooldowns is better aight?

[slate crown]

Was about to say "tell that to all the WaT players" but the whole point of this is you already have are and will

[balmy condor]

math only exists when it fits into my worldview

[static glacier]

we some masochists or something

also I swear branch or ember + pip's was cracked

pips was great

[balmy condor]

pips is good

holy shit it happened

act 8 I finally found a usable 4 link

I'm gaming

[shy pecan]

Dude, I found 3 6L's in A7. All just randomly dropped off one mob

[balmy condor]

yeh

archnem is cool

I haven't found a gggr until now

this is a dex/str 1h sword

1 chrome and it went double blue

fuck this game man

[spice surge]

Yep, and obviously im paid by big sim to lie to you

[clever sapphire]

finally you get it

thats why you are green

cause you smart

[spice surge]

I dont even get paid, so how smart am i

Truly

[balmy condor]

yeh

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

we do all this math for free just to mislead hundreds of rogues

could you believe it

[errant trail]

guys i’m gonna be honest

rogue doesn’t feel that bad

like if they fix death stalker

we could be a threat

[balmy condor]

correct

[willow rapids]

remember they keep the real math in their secret discord

[errant trail]

especially with the big buffs

15% aura

BOG

we gonna be bang bang

[balmy condor]

the numbers were never a concern

fatebound has 0 gameplay and deathstalker has -0.5 gameplay

that's the problem

[delicate orbit]

Guys I'm going to be honest, I was an ass the other night and told my tank to give me time to stealth between pulls. Forgive me.

[balmy condor]

no visuals, no gameplay, the little that exists sucks

that's the problem

[static kindle]

What's wrong with deathstalker, is there any resources I can read/watch about it? Considering maining assassination rogue in TWW

[balmy condor]

one moment

[clever sapphire]

look the only numbers that im concerned with is that you are legit simming fok in ST and that it might end up happening

[spice surge]

Theres nothing thats really right with deathstalker, its just a bunch of unrelated passives hobbled together for the most part

[willow rapids]

that happening would be very funny...in a very sad way

[covert jewel]

"one moment"

[errant trail]

LMFAO

UR kidding RIGHT

[clever sapphire]

yap, imagine if fire mages had to flame pillar thingy in ST, they would go crazy about it and blizzard would change it in a few days

[static kindle]

I don't know anything about rogue since Shadowlands

[covert jewel]

well u missed the fun times

[errant trail]

deathstalky is very bugged and requires you to forget you are able to AOE

[static kindle]

I hope this is the right place to ask

[errant trail]

and the opener requires ambush everytime

[normal mist]

Just let whispyr cook

[spice surge]

It is, youre getting an essay, just hold on

[covert jewel]

god i hate ambush

[normal mist]

Prepare your reading glasses

[errant trail]

ur about to hear about deathstalky

[haughty flicker]

another whispyr masterpiece on the horizon

[errant trail]

u have opened a can of sanguini

[willow rapids]

one moment for him probably means he's about to write a 20 page essay

[static kindle]

I like reading

[clever sapphire]

btw if you need info about assa i would look into whispyrs youtube channel. He covered pretty much everything you would need to know about assa (besides pvp, but who does pvp)

[haughty flicker]

reading is good

[static kindle]

Same name on Youtube? or somewhere else?

[errant trail]

it’s ok i bother whispyr daily about things i’ve asked him 10 times already

[clever sapphire]

yap same

[errant trail]

don’t feel so bayud

[normal mist]

[errant trail]

[clever sapphire]

sorry royal, you do it for tmog ik

[normal mist]

[runic hinge]

is it still hundreds

[errant trail]

me waiting for essay

[static kindle]

MMO PVP is a meme anyway, just go play a different game

[normal mist]

Wow pvp is pretty good

[covert jewel]

when u dont encounter it, that is

[normal mist]

Sure

[clever sapphire]

i mean i gave it a try quite a few times and i never found it enjoyable at all

its probably me tho

[static kindle]

Every time I try pvp I feel like I need to spend 2 hours researching all class combos and my own reactions to them (I ain't doing that shit)

[normal mist]

That's a you problem

But that's fine nonetheless

Too much stuff to learn

[runic hinge]

I pretty much only did pvp today

[haughty flicker]

That’s actually a valid concern about wow pvp

[frail verge]

I've never liked mmo pvp but I have trouble articulating why exactly

just doesn't feel fun mostly lol

[errant trail]

@static kindle you’ve come to the right place

everyone here has made me better at this class

very engaging compared to the lock disc

lol

[normal mist]

I mean until you understand what you're doing in pvp, you're most likely just having a floor PoV

[errant trail]

whispyr is still

[static kindle]

this is too real

[void mesa]

Oh my, got here late and Whispyr is still typing

This is gonna be a banger

[shadow badger]

so is deathstalker or fatebound looking better for M+

with these deathstalker buffs

[frail verge]

I've done fine in like average level arenas but I think gcd-based combat feels bad for me outside of pve

[clever sapphire]

deathstalker in m+ only if you like stepping on lego barefoot

[main solar]

Someone asked why deathstalker was bad, so he's writing a dissertation

[static kindle]

I used to play shadow priest and that discord is only so-so

[frail verge]

my main gaming hobby is street fighter tho so maybe I just find mmo pvp too slow

[static kindle]

(I like dot specs)

[clever sapphire]

i think the biggest turnoff for me in pvp is the amount of abilities in like 1 single spec

[normal mist]

That might be it. I sometimes have to pvp in ff14 and I wanna throw up now

[clever sapphire]

in league as example everyone has 4 abilities and done, in wow everyone has 20 abilities

[frail verge]

ff14 combat put me the fuck to SLEEP man idk how anyone plays that game

[normal mist]

If you're under level 70 I can understand

[void mesa]

Someone has 10, some shapeshifters have 6/7

But yeah x)

[clever sapphire]

okay there are special cases

[austere sorrel]

Just depends on the MMO for me. Not interested in wow pvp, but I loved it in games like archeage and aion

[clever sapphire]

but you get my point

[frail verge]

same, and I'm really liking aff lock rn despite prepatch jankiness. but if you ask the warlock discord aff is actually so bad that you're actively causing yourself physical pain and ruining your life for logging into a warlock

[void mesa]

100%, just memeing you 😉

[haughty flicker]

Sounds like some of this discord too tbf

[clever sapphire]

isnt the aff community like always saying its the worst spec in the game and unplayable and noone even trys looking into it?

[static glacier]

it can create a lot of mindgames, rock paper scissors type situations where you work to force favourable trades of cds then eventually you will win by having a "go" on someone who's had their trinket and major defensives forced already while ccing heal

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/assassination-rogue-review-of-deathstalker-hero-talents-lacking-vision-in-the-342217
https://youtu.be/kvC8On4aKw8

these two are older on the original talent tree, the mutilate node got removed since and replaced with a passive
That's caught up here with patch notes:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-beta-development-notes-for-june-25th-major-reductions-to-343537
https://youtu.be/h8Dhhb6Sw18

Then they tuned it recently and I ranted again, patch notes attached:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-beta-class-tuning-hotfixes-july-25th-mage-nerf-rogue-buff-345451
https://youtu.be/yusK9Nw7fNc

and if you don't want to consume all that content that's okay neither do I and I'm the one making it. TLDR (the too long don't read) is that the mark application sucks and it can brick on you if a boss disappears for example in m+ it happens on the first boss of mists, the tree guy goes friendly for the intermission, if you have a mark on him and he goes friendly he removes all debuffs and you're shit out of luck. Same issue with the 3rd boss in necrotic wake, he jumps up on his platform, if you have a mark it poofs. So you gotta sit there and hold vanish to reapply, or you have to sit there with the capstone, not using the capstone, not having uptime on stuff. The tree itself wants you to have uptime on the mark because of hunt them down (which cranks a lot), and because more uptime means more marks to consume which means more mutilate damage and more capstones which is more energy and more envenom which is more everything you get the point. But then you gotta sit on that shit for some reason to make sure you can even apply the debuff. So you're just babysitting this mark the entire time, not because of the gameplay of finish-finish-finish-BIG FINISH, but because at any point in time you could possibly fuck it up with no recovery for 2 minutes. It's insanely cringe. On top of that the fok node is almost making fok used in single target (it's barely not good enough), auto attack damage is just omegalul, lingering darkness gives damage after cds and we were outspoken that it's the worst tier set from dragonflight and they added it in anyways. On top of that especially in mythic+ the tree doesn't do shit for damage, I added up all the actual tangible sources of damage over 6-7 beta keys and the actual damage sources were around 7%, 3% of which was babysitting the fucking mark for 40 minutes like a hawk. Most of the power is in the capstone with big envenom and extra energy, but guess what, gotta babysit the mark for that! It's buffing basically every ability in our kit, has no direction, no thematic through line, no visuals, and what little through line there is with babysitting the mark ends up being a mental battle with your own patience and attention to detail to make sure you can get your 3-4% dps off. All of that being said, if you're just hitting a single target boss in raid and don't need to ever target swap or the boss never has an intermission, it's actually quite good and decent fun

[static glacier]

at its best wow pvp is incredible, at it's worst it's awful

[limber lion]

God damn

[haughty flicker]

Oh lawdy it’s here

[normal mist]

It's here

[static kindle]

yay

[frail verge]

yeah it's pretty funny

[austere sorrel]

Let me put on my reading glasses for this one

[limber lion]

So tempted to pin it

[frail verge]

I think it's gonna be Fine in tww once hero talents all come into play. I don't need it to be top 1 if it's fun I'm just a KSM guy not trying to get all the portals or raid mythic

aff that is

[static glacier]

aff perhaps, deathstalker is very very very cringe in multitarget

there needs to be a better way for us to apply mark

[balmy condor]

the moment you're not raidbots 5min 1 target patchwerk

deathstalker becomes

pain

[royal lantern]

thats a long moment

[balmy condor]

your gf never complained

[static glacier]

the change to capstone on target death did stop it being 100% unplayable, but it's still annoying

[static kindle]

Damn, so if they made the Deathstalker mark count as being consumed when an intermission happens, would that make it better/not as bad?

[royal lantern]

@spice spire can you confirm?

[frail verge]

so is there a viable alternative to deathstalker? or is it still just best choice despite the garbage?

[balmy condor]

it would be better yes

[balmy condor]

the viable alternative is fatebound

I think at the end of the day for deathstalker

half the tree just gotta go

and they gotta rethink the mark from the ground up

[static kindle]

No way the devs make that happen before launch

[balmy condor]

like if the solution to every mark problem is just "give the capstone"

we're cooked

[balmy condor]

ofc not

but 11.1 or something

[haughty flicker]

11.2 rework gonna be great

[balmy condor]

at this point deathstalker is being held together with spit and hair because they're duct taping every situation where the mark sucks with "oh well if the mark sucks just give the capstone then"

which like

I get

but that cant be the solution

I'm more than glad that they're giving us the capstone on dying targets

that's great

100%

fantastic

love it

but that can't be the solution man

and now we got intermissions bricking the tree

and the natural solution is just "give the capstone again"

well why the fuck am I even applying the debuff at this point

[sick sail]

dang love the work ur putting in for us, every time i check disc theres so much info, thanks

[runic hinge]

could just be a buff on ourselves

[balmy condor]

yes, actually

if they deleted the mark

and just said "every 4th envenom does big fuck and give energy"

tree would be fixed

overnight

[haughty flicker]

I like big fuck

[balmy condor]

it wouldn't be very exciting

or very fun

but it would work in every situation

[willow rapids]

not convoluted enough sry

[balmy condor]

and I wouldn't feel cucked talenting into it

like why the fuck do we need a debuff that has stacks and deals damage when you spend cp and then buffs the next mutilate

overengineered to shit

[clever sapphire]

wouldnt that just be pretty much fatebound but a different color? passive dmg but at different places

[balmy condor]

isn't that what deathstalker already is

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-me-you-caught-me-you-got-me-there-busted-seth-meyers-gif-14147996

atleast fatebound is not getting close to fok in ST

[spice surge]

Well its a tree assassination shares with subtlety, so it has to be convulated

Thats just the rules for sub

[balmy condor]

deathstalker is just the trickster debuff, with a couple of chromosomes removed, and then taped onto a tree full of passives

I mean

that's just fatebound with extra steps

[haughty flicker]

Sin cursed to share trees with outlaw and sub

[balmy condor]

and the extra steps suck shit

so get rid of the extra steps

I'd rather have 2 fatebounds in different colors

than 1 fatebound and 1 "dear got I wish I could play fatebound"

[spice surge]

But think of the pogging you can do with a big envenom crit

[static kindle]

how much of a dps loss is fatebound? Could we just lose 1-3% and say fuck it?

[royal lantern]

they managed to make a tree that is so garbage that people think "god, please let the coinflip be good"

[willow rapids]

so that's why trickster is so scuffed for outlaw then?

[royal lantern]

[clever sapphire]

i can see this happening even if its a 5% loss

hell i would do it even if its 10% at the current state

[spice surge]

Partly, but msot of that jank is because they just removed the feint actiavation and then forgot the tree existed

[clever sapphire]

people are dropping ER to play double vanish

[spice surge]

Instead of fixing stuff that didnt work

[clever sapphire]

because they hate ER so much

so like 5% dmg is nothing to them

[delicate orbit]

Fuck that

[spice surge]

Just play CB

[delicate orbit]

ER master race

[willow rapids]

work complete

[static kindle]

isn't ER just use on cd and press button if you are on the right combo point?

[balmy condor]

think it's 5% atm but who knows what it'll actually be in the end

yes

[static kindle]

ER doesn't seem very difficult

[balmy condor]

it isn't

people just don't like it

[clever sapphire]

because it is easy, its just some hate that i will never get

when people tell me dance was more interactive

i get confused

[balmy condor]

wtf man

whispercog letting me down

[delicate orbit]

Haha

I immediately regretted saying it was easy when thinking about it

[balmy condor]

I have no regrets

[frail verge]

obviously we won't know for a bit about eventual tuning but I have to wonder if the 5% loss practically disappears in situations like those boss intermissions

[balmy condor]

cause I'm always correct

[delicate orbit]

With a name like that you have to be

[balmy condor]

I mean you can anticipate most of them with good play to be fair

[frail verge]

but I'm just picking up the spec so I don't claim to know what I'm talking about

[static kindle]

How much are you thinking about what abilities to press to be on the correct combo point for ER? Is it super gamey, or do you just use it if you rng into it?

[balmy condor]

so if you're good at the game

and you know what's going on

it's probably like -1%

[delicate orbit]

This is junk. You literally macrod and forgot about it pretty much.

[forest nacelle]

which hero talents are more "fun"?

[balmy condor]

but my issue isn't how the 99 parsers are going to play

cause you could feed 99 parsers absolute slop and they'd play it

[frail verge]

right

[clever sapphire]

you have 45 seconds to land on the 3 points. Its gonna happen in those 45 seconds even if you dont try

[balmy condor]

I'm worried for the heroic raiders that don't know the timings

[frail verge]

game shouldnt be designed around 99 parsers

[balmy condor]

they're the ones getting fucked over

[royal lantern]

it isnt

and never was

[frail verge]

I mean I know that's true on the whole

I'm just concurring with whispyr's point

[balmy condor]

concurring is a big word for tryan

be careful

[royal lantern]

schnauze

[clever sapphire]

dont have beta but from looking at it id say fatebound, because i dont have to interact with deathstalker marks

[frail verge]

sorry I'll be more sensitive to their needs

[analog hornet]

Sorry for the interruption 🙈

Is this how assa looks now? The bleeds are heavy 😅

Sorry, its german, but you know the icons 😜

[balmy condor]

yeh looks reasonable

[cobalt gyro]

sometimes it should be

[clever sapphire]

half of assa is german anyways so alls good

[delicate orbit]

Heavy bleeds

[spice spire]

HUH

[balmy condor]

halts maul fickser

[runic hinge]

did you take a pic of your wow screen

with your phone

[delicate orbit]

Lol

[royal lantern]

[frail verge]

proud tradition of manual screenshots in the wow community

don't besmirch our heritage

[clever sapphire]

nur weil dus sagst

[balmy condor]

there's only 3 manuals that I will accept:

• car
• liquid metal on your cpu for the first time (very scary)
• president of france

[analog hornet]

Yes, because Im a noob 😜 i work a lot with my Phone 🥲

[silk bane]

okay buddy. okay. bro thinks he can reset the clock on the microwave without a mannual and 3 youtube guides.

okay buddy.

sure

[balmy condor]

my flavor of the tism is the one where I remember this kind of stuff all the time

my dads car is like a 5 step process

and I remember it every time

but I can't remember to drink water

[silk bane]

well good thing you remember the important stuff then

monster has water in it

trust

youll be fine

[balmy condor]

that reminds me

[silk bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1255570724861771896/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

[balmy condor]

it's midnight

time for a lil monster

[silk bane]

lil snacky snack time?

[balmy condor]

ain't no way you turned this into a gif

[silk bane]

ah, rogues were reaaaallly down bad back then

ngl

we needed it

[runic hinge]

the text

[silk bane]

Btier for vision?

[runic hinge]

b tier from the OT tier list

[shy heron]

I didn't even make the list so feels good man

[balmy condor]

whos list even is it

[runic hinge]

he who shall not be named

[royal lantern]

shien?

[runic hinge]

dm'ed it to like half the discord

[balmy condor]

there's 127k members

I do not think you dm'd 63.5k people

[shy heron]

👒 + the sound werewolves make

[stone hazel]

help i feel energy starved despite having 300 energy

[balmy condor]

at a rate of 1 dm a second, that would take you 17 hours of dming

[runic hinge]

Oh, i didn't do the DM, the person who made the list did

[balmy condor]

that's because the regen is slow and you're supposed to use the max to manage it

[royal lantern]

running out of eneregy is part of rogue

otherwhise, why would energy exist

[clever sapphire]

what if i get more haste?

[royal lantern]

shut up

[clever sapphire]

[balmy condor]

then you get to run out of energy FASTER

or something

[static kindle]

I agree remove energy

[raven egret]

Mage laughs in mana

[balmy condor]

un-read my post

[clever sapphire]

#outlaw

you would be praised there for this im pretty sure

[balmy condor]

my spotify dj is schizo

"here's stuff you played all the time in 2023"

plays a song I've never heard of in my life

I know I'm unmedicated

but I would think I could remember songs that I played on repeat

[tall jay]

Do we know what ilvl this new “catch up” gear is gonna be for this rematch event?

[spice surge]

480 iirc

[subtle kiln]

415 was the last known ilvl that was posted but wasn’t final

nm read it as remix

The TWW event was 480

[digital kettle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[tall jay]

Ah cool, no need to do it then on alts lol

[cedar hare]

Is the new race gonna be bis for rogue dps?

[main oriole]

Is it looking like echoing reprimand for TWW?

[normal mist]

yes

[spice surge]

Racials are generally not very impactful in terms of dps, but i very much doubt it, the racial bonus looks not great

[main oriole]

well thats lame

ty

[cedar hare]

Well fed +a dps attack?

[spice surge]

Yes thats their racials

The well fed isnt a dps gain in most cases and the extra spell is awful

So

[balmy condor]

but imagine

it COULD be +0.01% better

worth

[spice surge]

Is night elf for restealth in m+ worth it mr whispyr?

[rotund jungle]

I think racials should be deleted …or u could do some q and choose them like backgrounds in DnD …..I hate it that every roq is dwarf or n811 just cause the racials where used in some 30+ keys

[balmy condor]

Im gonna hit filter

[delicate orbit]

I was going to ask about races. I'm currently a Gnome but I'm Goblin curious.

I know DPS isn't really impacted. I'm more of the mind that transmog and animations are more important.

[static kindle]

night elf is better thematically imo

but void elf is cooler

[delicate orbit]

The envenom animation on night elf is so unbelievably smooth

But the stealth animation sucks

[spice surge]

Preface: Racials have a very low impact on your damage and if you care about how your character looks at all you should choose what looks the best to you
If you dont care orc seems good, dwarf is good for dispels in keys but a bit of a loss compared to orc and nelf sometimes lets you stealth in keys which isnt as impactful as you might think at first glance

[balmy condor]

uh

mr swede

it can't be a preface if the convo is already happening

would be a postface

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

madge cause you didn't take a podium at the olympics today

bozo

5th place in the womens relay

4th place in the butterfly

actually washed country

[royal lantern]

whisp watching the olympics

[balmy condor]

I always watch a little

very fun

getting to watch people go fast as fuck

it's like m+ irl but better

[shy pecan]

Infinitely better

[normal kite]

irl TGP

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

If you dont watch your tone ill cook up some more cursed builds

[balmy condor]

getting rid of imp garrote is blessed

JOKES ON YOU

IM INTO THAT SHIT

[spice surge]

Thrown precision and fok on singletarget

[shy pecan]

RIP the talking cat

[balmy condor]

STOP

[shy pecan]

Hammer time?

[spice surge]

Not being able to get MA without imp garrote kinda sucks though ngl

[balmy condor]

where's that meme with the brain "are you sleeping" "yes" "what if 1/2 VV and thrown precision"

[spice surge]

Tried to make vanish worth using without imp garrote but nah

Its just within margin

[balmy condor]

ambush

WHAT A BUTTON

[spice surge]

Bro if they fix all the VV interactions the nature part of ambush could be hitting like 1.5M

Builder gameplay pog

[balmy condor]

pog

[agile locust]

Does anyone know if the misdirect WA has been updated? Mines stopped working

[slate crown]

So, no

[agile locust]

Thanks

[slate crown]

Are you getting any LUA errors from it? I can see an immediate problem but I don't know if that's the whole problem

[opal geyser]

Night elf might be goated for a different reason, deaths in TWW are 15s off the timer. I know restealthing is a meme or something

[ancient tangle]

a dumb question im sure but i dont understand why we need verst at all as assa (apart from tankyness) as almost all of our dmg are bleeds and poisons, why don't we just stack mast ?

[slim hamlet]

DR I suppose

[waxen oyster]

It’s a flat damage increase

for everything

I don’t get why people undermine vers but praise haste so much

When both do the same thing effectively

numbers go up

[ancient tangle]

doesn't mast give much for the score ?

[ancient tangle]

what is the treshold for the dr to start ?

[waxen oyster]

mastery gives an increase to poisons and bleeds

[slim hamlet]

I think this is right

[waxen oyster]

vers gives an increase to everything

[slim hamlet]

and then mastery is specific to each class afaik

[waxen oyster]

Tbh I dont get it

No stat really influences gameplay

besides crit arguably

[slim hamlet]

idk if it's just DR, but that would be my first thing to think about

Crit is the only I ever notice

And vers for DR

[waxen oyster]

Yeah more seal fate procs

haste and mastery just makes your dots bigger

[slim hamlet]

Yea if seal fate didn't exist I would not know besides vers

[ancient tangle]

ok thx dude 🙂

[waxen oyster]

realistically

you just sim gear

No need to think

[ancient tangle]

but bleeds and poisons are 90% of our dmg right ?

[waxen oyster]

No?

[balmy condor]

90% is insane

[slim hamlet]

like 80?

auto attack and mutilate

[balmy condor]

what

[ancient tangle]

i think im confused to what belongs to poisons in our natures dmgs

[slim hamlet]

and trinkets/cantrips

[balmy condor]

are we counting envenom here?

[slim hamlet]

yes?

Isn't it affected by mastery

[balmy condor]

oh

well then it's like 85%

if we're counting all mastery

[ancient tangle]

ah

[slim hamlet]

we were specifically talking about mastery

[ancient tangle]

i wasn't that insane ^^

[balmy condor]

I read bleeds and poisons

[slim hamlet]

smh my head

[balmy condor]

thought we were talking dots

[ancient tangle]

ah no sorry

[slim hamlet]

yea

[waxen oyster]

I feel people dont realize

a flat increase also in turn

buffs your things already buffed by mastery

[balmy condor]

I mean everything is a multiplier yeh

[ancient tangle]

so thats why we need verst too ? to multiply mast ?

[balmy condor]

that's why item level is good

cause you just get more things

[ancient tangle]

but why isn't stack mast the better ?

[balmy condor]

and more things are better

because DR and other stats being good as well

if you have 100% mastery, which is basically a full stack, you could realistically also get 70% mastery, 20% haste, 10% vers, 20% crit because of DRs

so instead of doing 100 damage +100% = 200 damage

you're doing 100 damage + 70% + 20% + 10% + 20% = 270 damage

[waxen oyster]

Agi is still like

2x the value of any secondary isnt it

So ilvl>>>>>

[balmy condor]

no

[ancient tangle]

yes i understand DR

[balmy condor]

agi and secondary atm are pretty close

[ancient tangle]

ok if its that thats work for me thx ^^

[balmy condor]

I mean none of this is important in any way

it's literally just a sim question

there is no chance you're ever doing this math in your head ever

[waxen oyster]

^

Use top gear

dont think

[balmy condor]

have to factor in extra seal fate procs from crit and energy from haste increasing ticks and all sorts of shit

just isn't even remotely worth it

don't get me started on partial ticks lmao that'll make your head explode

[waxen oyster]

Am I just better at game if I proc wafting during my cds

[static kindle]

is wafting better than sophic?

[balmy condor]

yes

[static kindle]

oh I'm stupid

for some reason I thought sophic was just blanket always better

[balmy condor]

agi > haste, but wafting is like 1200 haste vs sophic being like 700 agi

and that's not agi > haste

that's bigger number > smaller number

[spice surge]

Bigger number

[balmy condor]

Smaller number

[slate crown]

decades of work of millions of people across the planet compiling data and analysis to come to the most important conclusion of them all

[balmy condor]

yeah insane theorycrafting from ya boy

been doing this for 6 years

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

I'm like master oogway in this bitch

[static kindle]

am sorry I did not realize haste was that close to agi

[errant trail]

lord whispa

https://cultofthepartyparrot.com/parrots/hd/turndownforwatchparrot.gif

[balmy condor]

it's fine, it changes for every character and especially with patches

at the start of an expac, agi is like easily gapping every secondary by a mile

and then by the end they're basically neck and neck

[spice surge]

It doesnt really seem to be like that in tww though

Its all very strange

[balmy condor]

that's cause blizzard math is funny yeh

[errant trail]

whispy

[balmy condor]

their secondary to stat ratio is much more lenient than it was in dragonflight I think

[errant trail]

what trinkets am i using rn

can i still go manic and neltharus

[balmy condor]

HUH

why would you unequip ashes

[errant trail]

i never did

it’s equipped

[balmy condor]

oh

well then pick one of the others for the other slot yeh

[errant trail]

what’s your opinion on like

beacon of beyond for trolling purposes

[spice surge]

Gems, enchants, tier sets and trinkets all seem purposefully undertuned compared to what im used to

[balmy condor]

don't think it's worth it

[spice surge]

Idk seems odd

[balmy condor]

did they nerf the weapon enchant

that shit looked bonkers

[waxen oyster]

I feel like directing people playing call towards outlaw

for being gamba addicts

[spice surge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[spice surge]

They slashed the agi by like 10

[balmy condor]

I don't have the mental capacity to keep up with consumable and trinket tuning man I'm just gonna top gear it a week before release anyway

[waxen oyster]

Tbh idk if I prefer big proc enchants

or low impact always up ones like SL

[spice surge]

Well ye it definitely seems very unfinished

The blue weapon enchants are worse than DF enchants for example

[balmy condor]

ye

[slate crown]

Just random side point on enchants I just happened to log in and check profession stuff like an hour ago

and the profession tool enchant numbers were like, triple what they were earlier

the numerical values

don't know if there was an overall numbers change on enchants that went through but may be worth looking at the weapon enchants again

[slim hamlet]

but muh watuh balls

[spice surge]

Oh it seems like they mightve buffed em on the live client but not the beta one

[balmy condor]

it's crazy how apathetic tww has made me towards theorycrafting

like it's just such a massive mess

I cba doing shit

[spice surge]

Wowhead data says the enchant gives 11487 vers if i have it on live but 910 vers if its on the beta

[slim hamlet]

just in case anyone else didn't know

[spice surge]

Although 11k seems a bit much, idk

[balmy condor]

I could go to bed right now and wake up

and we're pressing fok in single target

why live

[slim hamlet]

It's just a proc

to press another button

act like it's not fok easy

[errant trail]

so what weapon enchants are we still aiming for sim

sin*

[slim hamlet]

The one that sims higher

[errant trail]

wafting

[slim hamlet]

usually

[errant trail]

true

[balmy condor]

2x wafting on live yes

[slate crown]

didn't we used to have something else like that

[slim hamlet]

huh

[balmy condor]

she's talking about blindside

[slim hamlet]

CT?

oh

[balmy condor]

might want to google that one too

[slim hamlet]

I am confused

[balmy condor]

she's talking about having to press ambush separately

[slim hamlet]

Just came home from a party and unluckily decided to open #assassination

[balmy condor]

and I'm making fun of you for your lack of english comprehension

[slim hamlet]

huh

when

[balmy condor]

aight bro is fully lost

[slim hamlet]

bro

[slate crown]

If you want another similar good one look up anhedonia

[slim hamlet]

english not my main language :(

[balmy condor]

I explained the entire convo and still confused

it's joever

[slim hamlet]

I still don't know

unless we still talking about this

which was like 20 messages prior

I blame you

[balmy condor]

my parents blame me too

[slim hamlet]

I legit only know like 5 words in that

wtf is hedonic function

[balmy condor]

the whole thing just means you're depressed and your orgasms suck

[slim hamlet]

damn

I might have anhedonia

fr

anyways isn't it 3AM for you whispyr

[balmy condor]

yes

[slim hamlet]

we both as cooked then

[slate crown]

It means if you typically look forward to jorkin it even if you're depressed about anything else, but instead you decided "meh" and instead sit and stare at a wall for hours and do literally nothing else because nothing else seems worth it

[slim hamlet]

Good

[balmy condor]

what if I stare at a wall for hours and do literally nothing else because nothing else seems worth it just as a default state of being

[slim hamlet]

so this is not normal then?

[slim hamlet]

^

[slate crown]

Then you don't need to read these words you know it already 🫂

[balmy condor]

what if I'm jorkin it and the smell can only be described as "papa johns garlic butter"

[slim hamlet]

but instead of staring at a wall I just play osu for 10 hours in a row until my hand hurts

[balmy condor]

is that normal

[slim hamlet]

because it is easy to open and just play without thinking

[slim hamlet]

osu is fr the goat

listen to music while having to focus just enough to not be able to think about life but not enough to where you get tired of it

[limber crystal]

any good sin guides for pre patch? videos i mean

[tall jay]

Whispyr has a YouTube series I think

[limber crystal]

thanks!

[balmy condor]

I just have two talent discussion vids for prepatch

one for m+ one for raid

but all the guides from 10.2 are still accurate aside from master assassin vanishing the last 3, that's not a thing

and tea on the last 6 of kb

that's also not a thing

everything else is the same

[errant trail]

so

if you stare at the wall and do nothing

you are gonna get fuzzy eyes

[slim hamlet]

why

[errant trail]

it gets really fuzzy real quick

[slim hamlet]

no?

[errant trail]

because when you are a rogue player

[ebon apex]

Historically, between assassin and sub, which one has been better for m+ dungeons?

[slim hamlet]

sub for as long as I have knowledge

by quite a lot

can just look at raider.io and see how high ranked each spec has been

[balmy condor]

yeh sub historically better

[errant trail]

does anyone enjoy sub still

[ebon apex]

Ty guys

[errant trail]

it’s rotation seems simple just a bunch of big CDs

[slim hamlet]

at least 2 people

maybe 3

[errant trail]

it just seems like a non-fun spec

[slim hamlet]

I have always thought that, but then a lot of people like it

It's just different

Like how assa is one of the most unpopular specs, only gaining popularity when it was op after rework

and even then was less popular than outlaw

[errant trail]

tbh

[slim hamlet]

but we love it

[errant trail]

i enjoyed sin in season 2

even tho people will disagree

[slim hamlet]

s2 was the only sin I have played where I was kinda meh in raid

[errant trail]

i was not good still not good

[slim hamlet]

it felt so empty after s1 and I would never want to go back now

[errant trail]

idk sin feels fun now

just takes me a min to get those cds going

i have to watch everyone else’s CDs

so i can play around it

otherwise kingsboing doesn’t do dmg

[slim hamlet]

I can't play any other dps classes now after sin rework, only healers are fun

[slim hamlet]

what?

[errant trail]

kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

Yes but what do you mean?

[errant trail]

like i’ll be ramping and the mobs die

[slim hamlet]

so a mob doesnt get oneshot

oh, only a problem in lower keys

[errant trail]

because i have a BM hunt

and a ret pally

just pressing any button

[slim hamlet]

idk about s4 dungeons

[errant trail]

i mean a 12 is still low for sin

[slim hamlet]

but s3 had a lot of good mobs for it to not get obliterated

[errant trail]

like i said

i wait for first pull to be over

[slim hamlet]

yea mobs don't survive DM+KB for a long time until like a 20

[errant trail]

every goober will blow their load on the mobs next pack

i’m a problem 2 society

well tbh i’m only doing 12s and now that prepatch is out it’s even worse cuz everything dies super fast

so i have to go the “pad bleed build”

as some people say

[slim hamlet]

Doing keys in prepatch for 0 reason

[errant trail]

for fun

[slim hamlet]

Fun in wow?

sure bud

Sudden Demise does feel good in low keys

[errant trail]

it feels so good because

people get mad i’m padd

[slim hamlet]

aint ever seen anyone get mad

aint ever seen anyone know any assa ability

[balmy condor]

I still don't understand how sudden demise is padding

sims don't even take the execute into account

[slim hamlet]

idk how many times people have been suprised by iron wire in my runs

[balmy condor]

the 10% bleed buff on its own is already really good

[errant trail]

warriors complain it’s pad

[slim hamlet]

why

[balmy condor]

cause they're stupid I guess

[slim hamlet]

what do they miss out on? a single execute

mad cuz bad moment

[balmy condor]

touch of death is pad I guess

[slim hamlet]

people do believe that

idk if you didn't know