assassination

[real pike]

sounds good

[grim jay]

You basically dont waste anything as long as you consume them within the buff duration which is quite possible. Depending on crit luck the lowest Cp might take some time to naturally hit

[real pike]

where's this from? a page inthe guide?

[grim jay]

But you can manage that especially with garrote Cp and shiv at the end of the day

[edgy knot]

Ok, that took away a big part of my worries and frustration with ER, thanks a lot dude ❤️

[grim jay]

If you are naturally low on energy so you dont overcap from tea and cast a shiv anyways

[ocean knoll]

Hi guys, I was looking at wowhead's talents and guide, why did we get eco and not two charges of vanish?

[grim jay]

You're welcome. Most people disliked ER if they pressured themself, but I think its kinda neutral if you just take it for what it is

[grim jay]

Because the talents before that are useless

[real pike]

you use vanish on CD so that talent is useless

[near osprey]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vital wasp]

Can anybody explain the vanish usage for me? In the opener it says vanish (only for st) in the last 6s but in the normal rotation it says vanish before dm. Why do you use it before dm and not again in the last 6s?

[normal mist]

Okay tldr:

• Use vanish on the opener when your improved garrote is about to fall off;
• delay second DM so you can vanish garrote DM.

[grim jay]

^which changed because MA aint hot anymore

And now you just use it for the garrote buff

[vital wasp]

ah ok i see thank you guys 🙂

[real pike]

so you definitely vanish > garrote > DM on the second DM and not just vanish > DM?

[forest nacelle]

i was just wondering the same thing

[wicked spire]

Is there any meaningful DPS +/- for Assa after pre patch? Or pretty much the same as before?

[grim jay]

You lose a tick of empowered garrote DM that way

[grim jay]

It definitely somewhat changed, but idk if its better or worse. Pathing changed, kb nerfed and aura changed

It should be simmable tho

[dark token]

Overall for a key btw

[real pike]

which way sorry? I am smooth brain

[static glacier]

historically what was the hardest fight to play sin on from voti and earlier, with the most complex actions needed to play it correctly

[worldly sentinel]

what key? what should we make out of that info?

[strong dome]

The butcher

[grim jay]

If you DM first it and garrote a gcd later you miss that gcd on the empowered garrote because you only have a normal one running

[dark token]

+10 AA

[subtle tundra]

+10 fh

[dark token]

What you should make is dk is blasting and rogue is doomed

[normal mist]

It's pre patch, it does not matter

[dark token]

Its beta doesn't matter

[worldly sentinel]

Rogue is doomed. Can confirm that

[dark token]

Its prepatch doesn't matter

Its pre raid doesn't matter

Its heroic week doesn't matter

Then mythic week shows up and surprised Pikachu we suck

[static glacier]

I mean spriest was giga broken in amirdrassil beta raid testing, so was OL - what happened

shit can change and if something is giga overperforming it gets destroyed

[grim jay]

They delayed broken priest?

[static glacier]

they nerfed the tier set like 4 times in a row

[normal mist]

They didn't do number tuning yet.

[clever sapphire]

there was no SV in that key

thats why frost had time to do dmg

[grim jay]

I was just kidding

[real pike]

okk got you, I didn't know if we just didn't Garrote at all and the DM copied it as empowered as we're in stealth, so we have one normal + one empowered

but we vanish > garrote > DM to have 2xempowered up

[whole snow]

Does shadowmeld count as being stealthed for rogue abilities

[grim jay]

Yeah you basically would have

Unemp garrote x2 for 1 gcd, rest of the duration empowered x2 if you DM first

Empowered x2 for the full duration if you vanish garr first

[slate crown]

Yes, Deathmark's duplicated bleed effects are a dynamic copy of your normal bleed effects. If one is empowered, both are empowered, regardless of when Deathmark was applied. If you overwrite and downgrade an empowered garrote, both effects will be downgraded.

[grim jay]

You need to stealth manually

After meld

[normal mist]

Only if you meld into stealth

[fallen arch]

Rogue doomed

[slate crown]

Honestly missing a single extra tick of imp garrote isn't that huge a deal

[whole snow]

Is rogue really that bad in TWW

[slate crown]

But optimally, yeah, have it up before DM

[grim jay]

Yeah but its just free

Bcs it doesnt add anything extra to do so

[normal mist]

Define bad

[fallen arch]

No wdym

[hexed frost]

It's good, but definitely not meta

[slate crown]

Just like, if you accidentally forget and have to oh-shit recover after, it's fine, just get your vanish garrote off and it's all good

you're not fucked for missing the first tick

[hexed frost]

Rogues haven't been meta since outlaw in 8.3 anyways

[clever sapphire]

keys or raid

[unborn yacht]

I had so much hope for Serrated bone spike. feels garbage

[slate crown]

wdym it feels fine

[fleet coral]

i'm checking logs ppls are used bonespike but can't see when on logs

[slate crown]

It feels better now

[grim jay]

It feels like nothing to me tbf

Its just there

[slate crown]

Doesn't demand an extra GCD that feels like ass

[fallen arch]

Its a passive effect

[gusty mirage]

[fallen arch]

Ofc u dont feel it

[fleet coral]

aaah

[slate crown]

But I also never cared for bone spike so w/e

[fallen arch]

It used to be cool

[fleet coral]

great choice

[hexed frost]

Key ofc. Who tf raids with rogue anyways, right guys

[fallen arch]

Firing them off

[grim jay]

Hi georgeous

[fleet coral]

just missing dat shadow dance buddy...

[gusty mirage]

What a terrible morning to have eyes

[grim jay]

Idk didnt really like it as an active for the reworked rogue

[hexed frost]

Good riddance. Should've never been added to the base class tree

[gusty mirage]

Yo BASED

[fallen arch]

It was cool in Shadowlands I mean

[gusty mirage]

Dance should’ve stayed just for sub

[fallen arch]

Especially with Deathspike

[fleet coral]

Bruw it was easy to access stealth side with dat

[fallen arch]

Loved it

[gusty mirage]

Putting it in the class tree was a mistake

[dark token]

Dance in class tree was goated and I like snap shotting things and using stealth in keys more

[fleet coral]

meh sub alrready have cool shadow clone thing

[grim jay]

Did he redeem himself with that statement?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[fallen arch]

They should put you in the class tree

[fleet coral]

give rupture to assa back then

[gusty mirage]

Couldn’t be more based if he tried tbh

[hexed frost]

Not everything needs to be easy. Class and spec fantasy matters too

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

[fallen arch]

Oxi capstone

[hexed frost]

Double vanish should've been in class tree since day one

[gusty mirage]

It’d be a 10% damage bonus and you’re just angry and grumpy all the time

[fallen arch]

‘Everything in a 250 yards radius instantly gets clapped’

[grim jay]

It should be less shit

[hexed frost]

Btw, with nightstalker gone, snapshotting is no longer a thing right?

[normal mist]

Right

[fallen arch]

Thank god no

[static glacier]

depends if you consider improved garotte snapshotting

[gusty mirage]

I agree with that, if the goal of dance in the class tree was to give more access to stealth bonuses, double vanish def belonged in the class tree

[fleet coral]

so the day with multiple garrote opener is back again ?

[forest nacelle]

prayge

[fleet coral]

gar-slice-gar-echo-rupture ?

[grim jay]

I still think CD reduction on vanish would be better than a second charge. And subter needs Jesus

[onyx crane]

do we line op echo with kingsbane or only when it it's close?

[gusty mirage]

I still think regardless of which direction, the fact that subterfuge is a 2pt talent useful only to outlaw and the heavily nerfed soothing darkness gating it is why it fucking sucks lmao

[forest nacelle]

on the single target build, can i remove improved poisons and take MA? or is MA officially dead in ST?

[onyx crane]

I am having new patch anxiety lol

[gusty mirage]

You’re committing 3pts for assa that do literally nothing for a 2nd vanish charge

[fallen arch]

Ey yo what mage spec do I main for tww

[gusty mirage]

And that’s kinda assingtoncity

[hexed frost]

This. CDR reduction on vanish should've been the core part of all rogue specs. That's like the peak class fantasy as well as damage amp

[fallen arch]

So I can actually do keys this expac

[grim jay]

That aswell. But a 2nd vanish charge isnt capstone worthy

[gusty mirage]

I think they should just cake soothing darkness into without a trace and do a cdr capstone

[restive falcon]

now that i am on the game, when did whisper say to use vanish during our cd's ?

[gusty mirage]

Because right now the bottom right of the class tree sucks balls

[grim jay]

Yeah something like that. 1 min vanish would be fire

Or even 1.25/1.5 would be decent for m+

[real pike]

it would require some separate pvp tuning I guess

for all 8 people that do it

[grim jay]

Thats natural

But they have the tech for it

[fleet coral]

I don't want another vanish just wanting my SD back

[royal lantern]

play sub

[fleet coral]

it's already work like vanish

got boored playing sub...

[shrewd night]

Shadow dance is a cringe spell

[fleet coral]

assa masterclass

[royal lantern]

and dance doesnt belong in assa or fury warrior

[grim jay]

Dont hate on sd or ill hit you.
(really gently)

It just wasnt for sin

And outlul

[royal lantern]

try it

[hexed frost]

So regarding the bleed build for keys, I see a major portion of overall damage comes from demisemaxxing but that usually depends on having CT, garotte and Rupture all up on as many mobs as possible. (Regardless of scent stacks)

With changes to IC, I see that we can only maxx the garottes and CT, and Rupture count on mobs has been a bit finicky tbh.

Some places I'm getting 8% overall with demise and some places I'm only getting 4%.

Cleave build is very straight forward monkey brained in comparison

[fleet coral]

nope i never mentioned outlul only for rogues sin and sub

[shrewd night]

Hating on sd fuels my entire being. You cant make me not hate sd.

[slate crown]

Vanish is used to get a refresh on improved garrote during deathmark.

In the Opener, you open with garrote which will be improved already, so you use your first vanish when your opener garrote is in pandemic range. From my testing, this is typically ~4-5 seconds into Deathmark.

Then, you delay your second deathmark by that 4-5 seconds until vanish is ready, then every deathmark after that you vanish -> Garrote, then enter cooldowns

[royal lantern]

damm, quake is teaching shien

[grim jay]

I thought Owl fuels your entire being

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

Cleave is definitely more straightforward because it's literally just doing ST rotation on packs with FoK instead of Mutilate

But it's so much worse unless you get the entire KB off

[grim jay]

Meownar so traumatized he stopped typing midway

[limber lion]

Would highly recommend learning to play the bleed build well

[onyx crane]

spam of knives

[shrewd night]

Its called self restraint

[fleet coral]

exsang is back 😮 i'm on work can't get in game

?

[slate crown]

Mm no?

[grim jay]

I mean if he taught you one thing...

[shrewd night]

Look.. Self restraint is the only thing not making me rage harder about resto druids stun seed ok

[hexed frost]

Bruh this gives me so many nightmares lmao.

Mobs dying within 3 second into kingsbane because a mage or hunter decides to prio the same target

[forest nacelle]

on the single target build, can i remove improved poisons and take MA? or is MA officially dead in ST?

[onyx crane]

Echo is back I guess?

[fleet coral]

yap echo looks back

and bonespike comes as passive

SD gone stupidly

[royal lantern]

stun seed....?

[grim jay]

Im not well informed, whats resto stun seed?

[limber lion]

Yuup, bleed is the superior build

Fuck KB

Bleeds 🔛 🔝

[shrewd night]

📸

Thanks guys

[fleet coral]

bleed for aoe kb for single

[slate crown]

You can if you want but it's bad now because of KB nerfs

[limber lion]

Based

[spice surge]

Read it backwards and youll figure it out

[limber lion]

Delete Spatter

[restive falcon]

tyvm

[forest nacelle]

kk ty

[onyx crane]

I feel that energy spending is also higher than last xpac

is that correct?

[limber lion]

No

Numbers are the same

[forest nacelle]

so we vanish>garrote>DM?

[limber lion]

And actually we're the fastest ever atm and drown in energy

[fleet coral]

nope

[slate crown]

#assassination message - Yes except in the opener

[limber lion]

Compared to previous expansions

[spice surge]

Should be slightly lower actually, since we dont have the -5 energy on mutilate

Compared to s4

[onyx crane]

well I feel on ST I spend energy quicker than before

[short flint]

no venom rush

which is what was just said

[limber lion]

Yup

[shrewd night]

When the assa homies pretend to fall for a meme to make me happy

[fleet coral]

gar->slice->gar->echo->rup is good for the before kb and dm ? thats only thing i can think

[real pike]

So is the duplicated garrote dynamic? Copies exactly what the first one does at the time it happens rather than just casting a second one based on how it is at the time of casting?

[short flint]

yeh

its dynamic

[limber lion]

Yep

[finite rapids]

Anyone having a talent build for pvp right now?

[limber lion]

Double garrote is a bit useless

[limber lion]

#pvp

[slate crown]

!guide - wowhead is updated, you Gar -> ER -> rupt -> Slice -> build to envenom then cds

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

We'd do worse to make a fellow brother happy

[finite rapids]

thanks!

[dark token]

IC is kinda annoying right now being only 6 seconds and keyed on stealth, what if they made it always active

But then it would be too op on 3 targets, you could make it 2 targets only

Call it replicating rupture

[limber lion]

And note that this assumes SBS is talented

[grim jay]

Idk the 6s actually are better than before

Imo

[narrow basalt]

[grim jay]

Together with 6s garrote, its all you really need

[fleet coral]

ah improved extended 6s

[limber lion]

[grim jay]

You can get more garrotes out and lets be real, garrote is the part that deals damage. Rupturing 2 times is plenty to get rolling aswell

[limber lion]

Well they both do dam, and Rupture actually is pretty giga because of Scent of Blood

[gusty mirage]

You’re pretty giga

How about them apples BUD

[limber lion]

Less than 5 stacks is not ideal

[limber lion]

Giga shit*

[balmy condor]

My balls hurt

[limber lion]

Fixed it for you

:')

[slate crown]

gm

[limber lion]

Bro honestly same

[balmy condor]

Gm

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/big-meaty-claws-big-meaty-balls-spongebob-meaty-gif-26152406

[royal lantern]

its 2pm for him

[balmy condor]

Yeah which means lisonna just woke up

Say Gm

[limber lion]

Jokes on you I woke up at 3pm yesterday

[balmy condor]

Rude ass

[royal lantern]

timezones

are a myth

made up concept

[slate crown]

That's why it's morning everywhere right now.

[oak tangle]

meanwhile it's an hour and a half till thursday

[royal lantern]

how can it be night somewhere in the world when the sun is out?

checkmate

[grim jay]

How can there be timezones if the earth is flat and the sun is behind the edge at the same time for everyone

[oak tangle]

just imagine if you lived on the UDL

[gusty mirage]

because you smell like my balls

got em boys

[strange python]

man what is going our hunters sitting on 650-700k dps ele sahmmy at 600k+

[grim jay]

Coconut shower gel?

[grim jay]

Prepatch

[royal lantern]

me when oxi balls

[grim jay]

Answering questions left and right, talking about the spec
oxi joins
BALLS

[royal lantern]

as it should be

[spice surge]

Hide your balls, the mod has arrived

[dark token]

What if when you apply rupture a garrote is auto applied

That would be cool talent

[edgy panther]

shall i keep it like this...? 30% off ..lol

[normal mist]

S priests had/have that @dark token

[normal mist]

You should just sim

[dark token]

In m+ it's super annoying to upkeep garrotes past your opener window

[slate crown]

doesn't matter just do what the robot says

[dark token]

You reapply ruptures for scent but 1 global garrote for 1 cp on 1 target feels meh

[normal mist]

Me 🤝 Lisonna

[dark token]

Prepare urself for tww

[slate crown]

Do you take shrouded in keys?

[grim jay]

The other way around

[strange python]

haha deff not feeling the wow vibe these days might be a poe2 main game reroll

[languid dune]

Melee dedge. Time to reroll range

[normal mist]

Cheers

[spice lagoon]

It’s so crazy the new season only been out less than 24 hrs and people already assuming

[normal mist]

The new season?

[grim jay]

[normal mist]

It's not even a season yet

[spice lagoon]

You know what I mean

[spice surge]

New season is 7 weeks out

[normal mist]

I do know what you mean, but actually explaining it makes things more real

[spice surge]

Obviously we need to doom NOW

[normal mist]

People losing their mind over a pre patch

[gusty mirage]

too late for tuning, all melee deadge

[spice lagoon]

Bruh you are tripping

[grim jay]

Season 5, the FATED AWAKENING

[dark token]

Yes

[spice lagoon]

Fury warrior are goated rn

[dark token]

I'm talking about past your stealth opener

Your shrouded garrotes are gone

[grim jay]

Fury never goated

[dark token]

No more 3cp no more big dam

[grim jay]

Only arms can be goated

[gusty mirage]

you still get the damage bonus

[dark token]

Reapplying a single garrote feels meh past the opener

[grim jay]

Arms is the only true dps warrior spec

[slate crown]

Critcake said arms no fun rn sadge

but I haven't tested war at all for tww so dunno

[grim jay]

Ye heard mixed things. Graham likes it for example iirc

[royal lantern]

REAL

[dark token]

Ye forgot this was tied to the other talent not shrouded anymore, but my point still applies

[royal lantern]

fury warriors should just play outlaw

and outlaw play fury

aka both stop

[dark token]

U apply garrote to 1 target and get 1 cp

Instead of 3 targets with 3 cp

That always felt clunky to me in keys past the opener

Almost everything else you do generates almost full cp bar in aoe

But you still do a 1 cp garrote

[spice lagoon]

Oh well ima go get me a biscuit good morning people

[languid dune]

Yeah like they gonna fix stuff before release of the season

[dark token]

I think a talent that applies a garrote whenever you rupture might be cool QoL and smooth out the aoe rotation

We have lots of shit talents to replace surely it's better than Doomblade or whatever

[languid dune]

They've been working in slowmo for years. Why would they stop now?

[dark token]

Would be fitting on that side of tree

[spice lagoon]

Well when I was playing last night I couldn’t get into my inventory

I hope that’s fixed

[languid dune]

Ultra copium

[clever sapphire]

a talent that applies garrote when you rupture sounds kinda broken to me

[royal lantern]

???

df had very regular updates

with the exception of a couple hickups and aug

[spice lagoon]

Frost dk are goated too man

Melee isn’t dead

[gusty mirage]

Sir there's no room for truth here, you're supposed to doom and pretend the sky is falling

and that they won't touch ANYTHING at all EVER AGAIN

[clever sapphire]

i thought the tww channel was for that?

[gusty mirage]

those are archived

unlucky

[grim jay]

If the sky would be falling, we'd only be worried about you falling aswell

[royal lantern]

mfw half finished updates are only half finished

[magic fossil]

welp, just deleted my main which was a rogue, you all can find me in some rdps discord, cya little deeps

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

hey, that gif fits the comment above aswell

[gusty mirage]

everyone hurry up and reroll arcane mage

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

See you in tww

[grim jay]

Arcane unironically is kinda fun rn

[gusty mirage]

idk man I just work here

internet janitor and what not

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-limbani-monkey-wash-gif-19021407

[subtle kiln]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/26gscNQHswYio5RBu/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952bi5j7i4ridgjlq5l01cmy2go41hquqhs2trgj4ci&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[royal lantern]

the funny part is

"omg arcane is SO HOT RN!!!!" is every single beta/prepatch

then the expansion releases and blizz remembers that only fire is allowed to be strong

[narrow basalt]

Andrew Tate is a janitor now?

[slate crown]

Do not denigrate

mr clean

like that

[rose inlet]

new bonespike is nice ngl

[spice spire]

I miss her

(Old bonespike)

[narrow basalt]

I have never seen Mr. Clean and Mr. Tate in the same room together.. All I’m gonna say.

[subtle kiln]

Are you delulu?

[grim jay]

Mr Clean is more muscular, handsome and doesnt talk as much (trash)

[fallen arch]

Same

[narrow basalt]

Mayhaps

[narrow basalt]

I see. I thought Clean was a war criminal.

[grim jay]

[lone parrot]

cant be a war criminal if you never formally declare war

pro tip

[royal lantern]

cant be a warcriminal when you destroy everyone that calls you that

[wicked zodiac]

hi guys. Sin is better than sub in pre patch ?

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Idk son

Idk if sims were made for PRE-PATCH

(it auto corrected to caps lock)

[wicked zodiac]

yeah i cant see the sims for pre patch

[storm forum]

fuu sim sheet looks old, linked sims are deleted

[fallen arch]

Minmaxing for pre patch

Seems kinda sus

[grim jay]

Just do them

[storm forum]

patch has been out for like 12 hours, too early to tell. but this is the #assassination channel so I'm legally obligated to tell you that Assa is the best

[normal mist]

Based

Bis should be the one that makes you happy whenever you press it's abilities

For me it is assa

Fuck them other specs

[sick sail]

Assa goated

[manic harness]

That's a weird way to spell Sub 🧐

Nah Assa is cool too

[royal lantern]

silence bottom

[normal mist]

Tbf assa and sub been homies for a while

[royal lantern]

you see

red+blue combined = purple

purple = the mods

[placid adder]

It’s the outlaws you gotta watch out for

[royal lantern]

its so obvious

no outlaw yellow there

[normal mist]

For comical reasons, that image is a joke

[normal mist]

The mods = good

[royal lantern]

yes, shien would never do evil acts

[bitter trout]

Us outlaws are just tryna get by

[cursive knoll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grim jay]

He was on the brink

Nearly collapsed

But didnt stray away from his righteous path

[fleet coral]

luxthos wa - whispyr plater my recommends :p

[mild dove]

did someone fork notter with the fix?

[real pike]

I firmly believe you get a passive 10% buff by playing a spec you enjoy

[slate crown]

Is it broken?

[agile wedge]

i just logged in and i really wonder whoever is responsible for the interface. even the scaling from the std interface for non customizable parts is aweful. gosh...

[mild dove]

does not work for me after todays login

[slate crown]

Do you get LUA errors?

I'm not committing to fixing his aura, but if the issue is simply the API changes with login, it could be a pretty trivial fix

[mild dove]

didnt check bugsack

[normal mist]

Can you show what you mean? Haven't been able to log in today yet

[agile wedge]

dont worry about the light, its some hdr screenshot thingy

for example the options

looks awful to mee

same with combopoints

[clever sapphire]

ye i hate the new game menu

why is it so big

[agile wedge]

i mean look at the difference from "spielmenu" to each button

and there is much much more

[spice lagoon]

Server shut down right now

[agile wedge]

if it would only be the menu ok

[spice lagoon]

Hopefully they fix some shit

[agile wedge]

but from my perspective, some parts are really ugly

[thorn fjord]

@slate crown no need for the KB WA anymore I’m assuming?

I haven’t looked at anything just yet (out of town) but trying to prep my mental for when I do get to play

[clever sapphire]

i dont get this, why is my warband not workin

[normal mist]

There's a wowhead post talking about it being disabled

[spice lagoon]

They just cut the servers off royal

Hopefully some shit gets fixed

[clever sapphire]

ah okay

[patent vessel]

nooooo i have to add another combo point to my weak aura

[normal mist]

It's fine, I'll only be able to play in 3 hours

[patent vessel]

did they make deathstalker good yet?

[slate crown]

The timeline?

I'll say you don't need it, no. You never really needed it, it was just helpful in answering several questions before. Now, with the changes, that list of questions it answers is way smaller. It's not 0, though, so it still can benefit you, so I still have it in my pack and I'm still supporting and maintaining the standalone version. Right now the only thing it shows is Shiv because that's the only timing based thing that's relevant to kingsbane now, and that information can entirely be determined by whatever Shiv weakaura you have anyways. I still like having the tick on the timeline as a reminder for myself

Damn took away my opportunity to provide you with a helpful debugging tip @clever sapphire

[agile wedge]

funny, i found something else. when iam at a dummy and DONT hit autoattacks, i have 170 fps. if i am in meleerange and hit those, i have 80. no addons

[normal mist]

It's never too late

[clever sapphire]

i will take the tip, but i figured out what it was

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1265671010993176626/image.png?ex=66a25b7c&is=66a109fc&hm=9234f7fdac2ad6edea93d56a77feef0906117ddd22117b0c134acde3bce4393d&

god i love prepatch bugs

[slate crown]

If something is sending a hard-coded string like that to chat, if you can't figure it out by just investigating, you can search for the string in Weakauras. This won't necessarily work for addons because often strings can get pieced together, but weakauras they're typically just hardcoded.

If you go to your WTF\<Account Name>\SavedVariables\WeakAuras.lua folder in your install directory and open it, you can ctrl+f for that string, then scroll up to find the associated weakaura name that the string is a part of

[agile wedge]

its just another hardmode

fighting 2 of them

[slate crown]

Obviously, don't make changes to the file (though generally if you make changes while you are still logged into the game, the changes you make will get overwritten anyways so it's fine, but good to still be careful)

[clever sapphire]

this just got screenshotted and sent into my private discord where i save important info, thx

[slate crown]

np

[wide ferry]

No way theyll be back up in an hour w the amount of shit that needs fixing. Prob 3pm again

[clever sapphire]

what servers are down btw?

[thorn fjord]

Word Ty

[spice lagoon]

i believe all of them homie

[clever sapphire]

i mean im online

[haughty flicker]

yeah the maintenance said it would be an hour but uh

definitely was not

[slate crown]

Do shadowlands abilities share a cooldown with their talent counterparts?

Like if I go to a shadowlands zone while knowing ER from talents, but also know ER from the covenant

they share a cooldown in the shadowlands zones, right?

[haughty flicker]

i didnt even know you could still use the shadowlands version

i can go check now

[slate crown]

Realms are down

Or I would check

But yeah, you can know sepsis as sin still by taking the shadowlands ability

[haughty flicker]

na is up

[slate crown]

oh wat

god damn nice

[haughty flicker]

yeah the hour maintenance was like 20 minutes

[slate crown]

nevermind back at it

I'm already at the portal so I can test it, you don't need to go

[vestal wren]

they partly even overwrite the old one

idk if something changed recently, but its not recommended to have both versions at the same time

[slate crown]

For weakauras (and baseline APIs) the spell retains its Spell Known status when you leave shadowlands

So you need to use Exact Spell to prevent a WA from pulling in the shadowlands version if you don't have it talented but do have the covenant selected

I never noticed it before because I used to always use exact spell anyways

[spice spire]

I’m just going to say it

Nerd

[slate crown]

tf else am I going to do it's wednesday

I must make my ER auras only load in appropriate places

[spice spire]

Enjoy life

[slate crown]

I'M TRYING OK

[spice spire]

Proud of u big dog

[rotund crescent]

Sry if i missed it being said before but for sin what do those changes kinda do we got yesterday? I remember whispr saying at some point our burst numbers was realitely the same but does it affect anyhting like how much dmg is reliant on PI vs not or something like that?

[normal mist]

It's pre patch, idk if it matters much atm

Nor I know if there are pre patch sims

Pi probably less important due to kb nerf but I'm taking this out of my bottom

We still like pi

But you can try to check with him another time when he's here and not taking care of his backyard

[rotund crescent]

yee i figured total sims are prob not out yet. but this is kinda more of just what i was wondering baseline heading into WW. This may be more of a personal vendetta against it but id love it if we didnt gain as much on pi as much as we currently were and had a bit of that more baselined haha

[gusty mirage]

PI still good because bleeds and poisons go brrrrr, but because a lot of the damage was shifted away from strictly KB (through the limit on stacks) it's not oppressively good

[rigid tartan]

BM is probably goated by a long shot for PI right now

[rotund crescent]

okay thank you! sry i probably worded my question wrong but this is kinda what i wanted to know lol

[gusty mirage]

so essentially assassination isn't getting a giga stupid amount of damage from PI anymore, just a solid amount of damage

[normal mist]

Thanks oxi for the tag team there

[gusty mirage]

cause it waas getting like 21k dps prior to pre-patch

which is kinda absurd lmao

[gusty mirage]

and you didn't word your question wrong, I got what you meant just fine

[normal mist]

That's why we love oxi

[gusty mirage]

:3

I just had a judge tell me that he didn't care what my argument was and dismissed my case

GOD I LOVE BEING A LAWYER

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-punching-punching-the-wall-punch-rage-gif-14414104

[normal mist]

Wait what

[gusty mirage]

yep

[normal mist]

Can they just... Do that?

[gusty mirage]

yes

I'm gonna go outside and scream

[normal mist]

Did you yell mak'gora afterwards?

[gusty mirage]

I'll brb

no I have to pay $20 to file a motion for reconsideration

a judge in a dif court ruled in my favor, and this guy just didn't give a fuck

[subtle tundra]

Guys what are warbands

[normal mist]

... Good luck oxi, go scream at the clouds

[normal mist]

There's a wowhead post about it

[subtle tundra]

Noted

[normal mist]

Basically account progress

Instead of character progress

[gusty mirage]

it's when a mommy and a daddy band love each other very much, and they have a bunch of little bands and they band together to go to war

[balmy condor]

What if warbands were instead called freakbands, and all your alts were just super freaky on login screen and shared one freakbank

[subtle tundra]

I have no female characters

Good

They should get freeeeaky

[gusty mirage]

its 2024 varas, why are you assuming your characters' gender?

[normal mist]

Loool

[subtle tundra]

Cause I made them have a dicky

Just like meee

[tacit charm]

[balmy condor]

You mean type 2

[scenic nacelle]

Put down the cup

[gusty mirage]

idk if they have those types in romania

[subtle tundra]

I have type 1 stupid, diagnosed

[gusty mirage]

the only romanian I know is varas

[balmy condor]

I didn’t know mental illnesses were defined in types

[balmy condor]

The marcelian guys are Romanian

[gusty mirage]

whispyr pretending there aren't 3 rogue specs to help define mental illnesses

[normal mist]

They don't count

They have questionable takes

[gusty mirage]

depression - assassination
adhd - outlaw
subtlety - dementia

[subtle tundra]

Woah your whole impression of Romanians is based on me

[gusty mirage]

yes sir

[subtle tundra]

I am an influential person

[gusty mirage]

with great power comes great responsibility varas

[subtle tundra]

I am perhaps the best Romanian you know

[rotund crescent]

i 2nd this

[normal mist]

One is not like the others - nfae boss, somewhere

[silk bane]

Based on age it should be assassination - dementia
And subtlety - self hate

[gusty mirage]

wtf

all rogues suffer from self hate

if you leveled a rogue to max level you hate yourself

[normal mist]

I have 3 of them

What now

[silk bane]

Bro same.

Anybody gonna match my
Freak?

[gusty mirage]

if you stopped at two it would've redeemed you

because a negative times a negative is a positive

[loud gull]

i have 3, plz lock me in a asylum

[normal mist]

What if the third is a panda in remix?

[gusty mirage]

then that doesn't count

I had 3 in bfa as well

[normal mist]

Then 2

[gusty mirage]

because I'm mentally ill

[loud gull]

same

[normal mist]

That's how you get the homies to bond

Because same

[gusty mirage]

shared interests

aka mental illness

[subtle tundra]

I am very unsure if bleached hair looks bad or not on me

Pretty sure it doesn't look good

[gusty mirage]

should've started by bleaching your nipple hair to test it

rookie mistake tbh

[bitter trout]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-roll-dark-souls-roll-somersault-gif-26164281

[bitter trout]

Hi oxi

[gusty mirage]

hi friend

[bitter trout]

Have you resubbed yet

[gusty mirage]

no

lmfao

[bitter trout]

Good choice

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure @marble hemlock would kill me if I did

I mean technically my sub is active until october

[bitter trout]

Wow

Gaslighter

Wtf

Just outted yourself

[subtle tundra]

If I bleach my pubic hair would it remain bleached forever?

Sorry for the weird question

[marble hemlock]

i wouldnt kill you but like

[haughty flicker]

Classic #assassination

[marble hemlock]

id send you chocolate hummus

[gusty mirage]

nah big cancelled, it's just I forgot to swap to monthly back in april

so it shot off the 6 month resub

unfortunate really

[bitter trout]

That’s a big RIP

[royal python]

Sry not a rogue specific question but are people noticing larger texts for quest list etc on side of screen, basically some redimensioning

[tacit charm]

ye

[royal python]

Ok thanks

[fresh sphinx]

when will addons like elvui start working again?

[fleet pagoda]

yeah looks like a common thing, some UI elements aren't affected by the scaling. pretty jarring lol

[ebon ocean]

mine works, just updated with wowup

[hexed frost]

HOLY MOLY THEY GAVE AMALGAM OF RAGE SKY RIDING

ANOTHER BLIZZARD W

[placid adder]

Another?

[manic quartz]

So we back using vanish as defensive or?

[hexed frost]

First one will be making IC and Exsanguate as passives

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pNQdWhmxQgCQWJ6zUXn7UG

Am i simming right or wrong? Cleave is simming 16K more in DSlice

[gusty mirage]

you use it to reapply improved garrote

[normal mist]

No

Damn it phone discord oxi had answered already

[spring prawn]

so whats the verdict on rogue rn? been out of the loop for few weeks

[normal mist]

Are you a fotm reroller?

Not asking in a mean way

[gilded oasis]

[sick sail]

I mean he’s asking cause it’s good to know, cry now or cry later is where I’m at lol

[spring prawn]

me? no ive always played rogue

i just skipped dragonflight entirely and planning on coming back

[normal mist]

But if you aren't, I'd focus on checking if you enjoy current gameplay and talent changes of the specs, numbers aren't final, which means that rn there are broken classes, which ain't us

[sick sail]

Rogue is the best! But want to mentally prepare myself by groups not inviting lol

[spring prawn]

wondering where rogue stands

[sick sail]

It’s becoming known we haven’t gotten crazy fun changes but I’m sure we will do well

[normal mist]

Rogue seems to be in a good gameplay state, but not numerical wise, because no real tuning was done

[sick sail]

This wonderful group is making me stick to it, exactly

[manic quartz]

i love the fact that with SBS you can get garrote garrote rupture rupture and get massive amounts of bleeds going out insta '

[normal mist]

I asked because a lot of people between yesterday and today, mostly rerollers, came to doom and peaced out

[ashen oriole]

how is the situation now with the specs?

[normal mist]

I'm honestly not yet worried about numbers. Let blizzard devs cook

[ashen oriole]

for prepatch

[normal mist]

Assassination wise, we look a lot like we did in s3 and s4

With a few changes

[normal mist]

That must feel fucking awesome

[manic quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cinder pebble]

Which build are you using o: the recommended build doesnt include sbs

[amber rose]

Which poisons do you apply if you only use 2 and dont take capstone for M+

Mind Numbing and deadly?

Or mind numbing and instant poison?

[ashen oriole]

thanks how did they make up for deleting dance and nerfing kingsbane?

[unborn yacht]

They didn’t

[ashen oriole]

so its a net nerf?

[spice surge]

Well we gained +15% dmg

So its absolutely not even remotely close to being a nerf

[ashen oriole]

so they did make up for it

[jovial verge]

In terms of damage ye

[fleet pagoda]

yeah deadly + whatever utility you chose

[patent vessel]

the removal of dance in our KB windows is throwing off my muscle memory like crazy

but omg i'm so happy i don't feel like a wet noodle outside of windows

[clever sapphire]

ye same because i didnt macro dance

[fleet pagoda]

yeah it's makin a mess of me too. i have to force myself to not hit my dance bind and then it makes me have to think about what i'm pressing

[spice spire]

It’s a nerf to the grinders

[patent vessel]

i put echoing on my dance kb LOL

[clever sapphire]

saaaaame

[patent vessel]

hell ya

rogue brain

[fleet pagoda]

🤝

[patent vessel]

it just feels insane to not be reapplying garrote or rupture but like

idk, i do love not feeling like im hitting the mob with a pool noodle

two pool noodles

[normal mist]

Two small pool noodles

[fleet pagoda]

yarp. i keep overwriting my improved garrotes from pressing it out of habit

[patent vessel]

there's a visual bug rn where i have four equipped :^)

[fleet pagoda]

the internal clock on IC is an adjustment too

[patent vessel]

two kingslayers on my back and two on my hips

oh i lost one

ok now i only have 3

[normal mist]

You'll eventually only have 1

Then you can doom

[patent vessel]

[normal mist]

On bigger news

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/SiiGtCxZ6M

[patent vessel]

wow, size shaming

[echo island]

i feel very energy starved

with 34% haste

how

[strange comet]

because auto hit doesnt give u energy? does it?

[normal mist]

Because it was never because of haste

Haste does almost nothing

It's the ruptures and garrotes ticking on poisoned enemies

[fleet pagoda]

are you pooling/chaining envenoms? with up to 7cp spenders it feels like ages I'm holding my next global and as a result less "starved"

[slate crown]

Auto hits can give you energy through Dashing but I only say that as a technicality, it's nothing to write home about

[spice surge]

Because thats how the spec is supposed to be played

Outside of cds you are intended to not have full energy all the time

[slate crown]

Spec feels the same to me as it always has, pooling doesn't feel any more starved

[spice surge]

Overall should be slightly less energy since we lost venom rush, but not that much

[limber lion]

Still considerably faster than in previous expansions

Except 8.3

[snow hamlet]

Do we still use tea in the last 6 seconds of kb now? Or just macro tea and kb

[shadow badger]

No use it when you reapply shiv

Check pins

[snow hamlet]

ok ty

[slate crown]

If you won't cap energy

(or in the opener)

[snow hamlet]

I just saw this

[spice spire]

Wish 8,3 never existed

[shadow badger]

8.3 was goated

[snow hamlet]

[cinder pebble]

Whats the difference of the bleed and the hybrid SBS build in terms of ease? Where would I be more comfortable in m+ as beginner?

[drowsy lotus]

did they remove shadowdance? or is it in hero talents?

[shadow badger]

It’s gone

Finally

[quaint sequoia]

good riddance, remove more active spells from talents please

[subtle tundra]

"woah i hated shadowdance"(not once has he used shadow dance for its purpose)

[thorn oxide]

So now, we're using envenom at 5+ instead of 4 ? (Seems luxtos WA, color the CP bar in green when we reach 6 and not 5)

[quaint sequoia]

#toomanykeybinds

[subtle tundra]

you didnt even have to keybind shadow dance

what the fuck

😭

[slim hamlet]

o7 to TWW channel

[quaint sequoia]

wut?

[slim hamlet]

Did we hide whispyr eggs in there for next time, this time?

[balmy condor]

Too many macros!

[drowsy lotus]

anyone have a talent tree to share?

[balmy condor]

Pins

Guides

Everywhere you look

[drowsy lotus]

oh didnt see it was updated. Most discords arent updated yet

[subtle tundra]

in a world without kb and caustic, and shadow dance good enough to be played it would be an awesome m+ talent

[spice surge]

If i look to the right i see my wall, theres no talent builds there

[balmy condor]

Wowhead is

Guides were due Friday

[spring prawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/death-knight/frost

[balmy condor]

Updated Monday

[spring prawn]

🤡

[royal lantern]

and in that world i have a dragon aswell and outlaw is a good spec

but that world doesnt exist varas, wake up

[subtle tundra]

my point is that people hate shadow dance cause it never got used as it should've

(imo)

[shadow badger]

Well it’s a sub talent so that makes sense

[balmy condor]

Dance was purely macro’d to kingsbane in all of season 3 and 4, so you technically gained a keybind with echoing reprimand since you never actually “casted” dance

[subtle tundra]

was it really a sub talent when it was available to all specs

[gilded oasis]

thats ok, I never reused my ER keybind, left it open for when ER returned

[quaint sequoia]

oh right, I don't like that you have kb and shiv either so

[shadow badger]

Def was. But with crack shot it was arguable as an outlaw talent too. It only served as a damage amonyou macroed to KB on ass and the interactions ended there.

[past forum]

as someone who multiclasses a lot, i need to keep similar spells keybound in similar spaces so i have ER in the same spot for every spec cause i cba to retrain the muscle memory of that keybind

[subtle tundra]

yes but thats cause of other shitness

[past forum]

so even though dance was macro'd to kb and er wasn't used i still had them on my bars

[balmy condor]

I mean without shiv and kingsbane the spec is actually just 4 buttons and deathmark man you’re playing an mmo not super Mario on the NES

[quaint sequoia]

I want one of them, not both

[past forum]

asmonsassination rogue

[proven jasper]

whats wrong with both

[balmy condor]

[quaint sequoia]

more keybinds

[shadow badger]

What’s wrong with both

[normal mist]

More?

[subtle tundra]

if shadow dance was easily accessible and didnt have nightstalker+master assassin then you could actually use it for its purpose and not a dmg buff

[balmy condor]

1 more than he wants I guess

[spice spire]

Damn

Real

[normal mist]

Damn

[shadow badger]

We have one of the lowest amount of keybinds with both of them and ER

[proven jasper]

Bro we have 4 buttons outside of cds

And like 3 more inside

[drowsy lotus]

Ok so we just replaced shadow dance iwth an extra button : echoing reprimand?

[past forum]

honestly just give us 1 button that cast envenom, garrote, and rupture

fuck the rest

[fleet pagoda]

essentially

[balmy condor]

I’ll never get the keybind complaints man my bars are half empty after 10.2

[subtle tundra]

have you tried BM

[spice spire]

Same

Varas don’t flame

[subtle tundra]

tbf even bm has quite a number of CDs nowadays

[spice spire]

Wtf man

[normal mist]

I have holes on my bars that I don't know how to fill

[subtle tundra]

hey he would've been very happy this expac cause death chakram was removed

[shadow badger]

Swapping from unholy dk to sin I have so many new shiny open keybinds

[proven jasper]

I liked chakram

[slate crown]

Assa bars, look at all those empty keybinds available

[quaint sequoia]

snd, rupt, env, garr, mut and vandetta and kingsbane was perfect

[royal lantern]

fill them with funny looking icons

[subtle tundra]

you might've been the only person on earth

[proven jasper]

I also dont play that class

[spice spire]

Shift and control?

[slate crown]

you shift my control

[spice spire]

@slate crown death

[proven jasper]

just looked cool

[subtle tundra]

hey how many times do you press snd?

[spice spire]

Just bind random ass letters like I do

[drowsy lotus]

is there still a version without crimson tempest? TOO MANY BUTTONS

[spice spire]

[quaint sequoia]

still a keybind needed since you press it atleast once

[normal mist]

In st there is

[royal lantern]

thats why SnD is on G for me

[normal mist]

And some m+ trees

[royal lantern]

[past forum]

is there a version where we dont have spells? would rather just AA honestly

[shadow badger]

No it’s pretty much required in M+ now

[royal lantern]

vanilla/tbc classic

[drowsy lotus]

how do you use echoing reprimand?

[normal mist]

You press it

[subtle tundra]

honestly i dont even talent into tricks anymore. i just lie that i lose shit if i take it

[shadow badger]

On cd

[normal mist]

And then once you have the amount of cps at blue cp

You press finisher

[subtle tundra]

if you have to press a generator and ER is up, you press it

[azure owl]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[unborn yacht]

In aoe, what’s the preferred number of targets to keep rupture on? Mid pull, not opener stuff.

[subtle tundra]

5

[quaint sequoia]

blindside should just buff the next mut or turn it into ambush, hate needing ambush keybind out of stealth

[subtle tundra]

🤨

[proven jasper]

already does that brother

[quaint sequoia]

wait they changed it

[proven jasper]

Yep

like a year ago

[drowsy lotus]

ok somehow i have more buttons now than before

[quaint sequoia]

it wasn't like that in s3

[void mesa]

It was

[fleet pagoda]

it was. it was even an issue pre-release because ambush wasn't originally activating caustic

[royal lantern]

allright, time to start the game

wish me luck with the addon nuking

[void mesa]

Dont do it Tryan D:

[grand basin]

Anyone Knows about PI value For assa after changes ? i assume it gor worst ?

[quaint sequoia]

hm might confusing it with s1 then

[fleet pagoda]

that's probably a check back on heroic week angle brother

[royal lantern]

[void mesa]

Ohno

[royal lantern]

what the fuck happend

[void mesa]

Log back out

[spice spire]

He’s right

[void mesa]

There is still time for you

[spice spire]

LOG OUT KING

[void mesa]

You can be saved

[spice spire]

Touch grass

[proven jasper]

Wdym he has all the necessary buttons

[void mesa]

Play actually fun games

[proven jasper]

To play

[spice spire]

No but fr do you use elv or whatever. Chances are it’s that

[proven jasper]

they put a prepatch update out last night, was working for me then but havent checked since

[drowsy lotus]

also did we just go from 4 poisons to 2? lol

[balmy condor]

What

[subtle tundra]

i swear

[void mesa]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

Dragon tempered blades?

???????

[proven jasper]

[balmy condor]

I mean I’m pretty patient but today is testing me we gotta know the spec basics at least

[proven jasper]

that time of the year again

we’re cooked

[subtle tundra]

i wonder what got people into assa for TWW, cause absolutely nothing got me into it this expac

[balmy condor]

This expac is the closest I’ve gotten to just quitting forever

[past forum]

so we just like build combo points.....and then spend them?? help me understand

[balmy condor]

Many nights in bed contemplating just never logging in again

[void mesa]

Everythings pushing me away

Except the fact our raid managed to cover every single raid buff except rogue

And im like

Atrophic sucks anyways

[balmy condor]

Atrophic actually pretty good

[void mesa]

Its good but like

Is it worth logging on my rogue for?

Even my RL felt bad when I mentionned maybe playing rogue lol

[royal lantern]

i mean, why do people care so much if atrophic is strong or not

its a reason to bring a rogue

thats their goal, so that all 13 classes are representet atleast once, and rn they manage it

sso why is it always brought up

yes its no arcane int/devo/brand

but who cares

[subtle tundra]

and even as the 2nd rogue youre not completely worthless

as other classes

[void mesa]

Im happy with atro by itself, dont get me wrong

[balmy condor]

I mean as the second rogue you play double atrophic and it stacks and you’re happy

[subtle tundra]

YES I LIKE MIND NUMBING POISON

[subtle tundra]

wat

[void mesa]

But im seriously debating just playing another spec and telling the raid "no poisons suck it"

[balmy condor]

No need to play mind numbing

[past forum]

ok not memeing here, i legit did not know it stacked

[balmy condor]

Most people don’t

And I’m pretty sure it’s a bug

[subtle tundra]

SHH

[past forum]

does it stack indefinitely or to a certain point?

[balmy condor]

But they haven’t fixed any of the other bugs so

[void mesa]

This should be a bug lmao

[past forum]

cause i've had like 6 rogue pugs before

[balmy condor]

Indefinitely

[subtle tundra]

wooooooooooah mind numbing is so goooooood

[spice spire]

Real

[void mesa]

Imagine DH brand/Monk mark stackint

[subtle tundra]

never play 2 atro

its worthless...

[normal mist]

Boys i'm loggin in

[silk bane]

god gives his hardest battles to his strongest rogues

[balmy condor]

Slightly different circumstance technically you could argue that they’re individual debuffs and stack similarly to healer dr’s stacking, or atro stacking with devo aura for example

Definitely a shaky argument

[royal lantern]

mate, i just learned that aswell

[balmy condor]

But I can KINDA see it

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

also DH does have darkness

which is really strong on certain fights

[void mesa]

I mean, if atro stacking is intended

Bring 3x rogue as a raid DR would be silly

[balmy condor]

You wouldn’t bring more than 2 probably

[past forum]

our dks were trying to convince the tanks that chill didnt stack with numbing poison, so they wouldnt have to spec it when asked

[void mesa]

Oh that definitelt stacks xd

With Weakness as well

[past forum]

"but are you sure it does? doesnt seem like it would"

[void mesa]

Lying so you're not responsible

A tale as old as time

[royal lantern]

what the fuck is that new spellbook

like

[void mesa]

Love to see it

[royal lantern]

why outlaw on the bottom right

why do you want me to see that it exists?????

get that shit out of there and put sub in

[balmy condor]

wait it shows other spec talents?

why the fuck would they do that lmao

[errant trail]

so guys

gonna get flamed maybe

[royal lantern]

you know blizz whisp

changes for the sake of changes

[balmy condor]

already typing a slur

[errant trail]

but i raided with sim last night

[royal lantern]

dont need a real reason

[errant trail]

it wasn’t that

bad

tbh lol

[balmy condor]

waiting on the thing to flame you for

[errant trail]

i feel like a copium rn

[manic quartz]

hybrid

[errant trail]

my biggest problem is i die too much lol

[grim jay]

he didnt suffer while raiding

flame him!

[errant trail]

also whysp

[grim jay]

HATE HIM!

[errant trail]

i get flamed really hard for going the sudden demise build

[balmy condor]

what

[errant trail]

i was getting pmd for that

yep

[balmy condor]

why lmao

[errant trail]

someone was like ohh ur pad build

[balmy condor]

PAD BUILD

[errant trail]

i’m like okay

what am i supposed to do

be a wiggle?

[balmy condor]

you're supposed to tell them that they don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about

[royal lantern]

"why are you using the build that is making you playable in content where stuff dies fast? lol padding"

[grand trail]

sudden demise padders are the worst

[errant trail]

it’s the first build your recommended but i have to be honest

poison bomb with that extra poison feels better

[balmy condor]

💀

[grim jay]

wait

so you were talking about raiding

[errant trail]

not raid

[golden spoke]

Hi guys do you also have problem with bone spike tracking via platter?

[errant trail]

i did slme m+

[balmy condor]

poison bomb does 2% of your damage bro what do you mean it feels better

[errant trail]

some

[grim jay]

ah alright, I missed the jump

[errant trail]

it’s poopoo?

[grim jay]

I thought you raided with demise

[errant trail]

i did nokud with demise build

got flames

[golden spoke]

Hi guys do you also have problem with bone spike tracking via platter?

[balmy condor]

poison bomb is basically just 2 empty points so that you can get dtb

[errant trail]

poison bomb not that great hug

[grim jay]

tell them to do things they arent supposed to

[errant trail]

huh

[grim jay]

and leave you alone

[balmy condor]

poison bomb is arguably the worst talent on the entire tree

[spice surge]

Id probably recommend just not tracking bonespike on your platter

[balmy condor]

and I don't think it's very close either

[errant trail]

okay i’m gonna flame him tonight

[balmy condor]

doomblade puts it in the dirt

[golden spoke]

What do you mean?

[manic harness]

Doomblade is gonna put dirt in its eye?

I've been seeing too many Bully Mcguire videos...

[silk bane]

theres raid testing today right?

[spice surge]

To not show it on your plater

[balmy condor]

I mean if he thinks sudden demise is a "pad build" then he just doesn't have any clue what he's talking about and needs to worry about his own damn class

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor question cus you are in yermani rn

does geotracking put wowhead automatically in german for you aswell, or is it smart enough to keep it in english

[golden spoke]

Well thats one way but i kinda like it, and for me the fact that i can see icon both on enemy templates and over my personal bar is really good for me

[balmy condor]

just english

wowhead.com

no de

[restive hawk]

its wowhead.com/de/guide

thats the problem, it auto directs you to the german guide

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

works fine idk

[royal lantern]

wait, so opener is garrote->ER->rupture->snd->the rest

interesting

[balmy condor]

never had that happen

[restive hawk]

havent had that happen in a while as well but 100% was happening to me back then

[balmy condor]

identical to s2 with er yes

[royal lantern]

AAAAAHHHH the muscle memory is fucking me hard

doing kb->garrote without thinking

[restive hawk]

you do delay your 2nd deathmark till vanish is up again, right?

[royal lantern]

ye

[balmy condor]

those 6 or 7 seconds yeah

[royal lantern]

should be only like 5sec anyway

[restive hawk]

yeye