assassination

[real pike]

not critting apparently

[balmy condor]

Not critting, not proccing poisons, not proccing weapon enchants

[real pike]

man I suck

[balmy condor]

No combo point gen for envenoms

[gusty mirage]

but I heard that someone heard from a RWF rogue's stream that the reason outlaw wasn't played in prog was because of rng

[gusty mirage]

honestly, same

[royal lantern]

but not me???

[gusty mirage]

it had nothing to do with sustain dps not having a place in raid anymore, it was strictly because of the rng

[balmy condor]

I quickly realized it on smold when I’d do my opener the same and one pull I’d do like 600k and the next I’d do like 400k

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Incredibly fun gameplay

Knowing my buttons don’t mean shit

Monkey smashing face into keyboard

Good spec

[real pike]

and yet I still enjoy it so much more than any other spec in the game

slave to the sin life

[serene wyvern]

df s3 is the most fun i had with rogue in a long time

[real pike]

at least with everyone abandoning ship it means guilds are looking for rogues and that

silver linings

[serene wyvern]

nah, they will go for hunters probably

or other meta specs

[royal lantern]

btw

how does rogue look in prepatch number whise

im curious

on how much stuff is fucked

[vestal wren]

@balmy condor just had a quick look, i like the new format

well done

[clever sapphire]

you forget that we bring atrophic poison

and thats a mandatory raid buff

[real pike]

can't tell if this is sarcasm or not

I thought it seems kinda useful

[dark token]

Its not even live yet

[royal lantern]

man, idk the time in the blessed US and A

[gusty mirage]

it's 9am on the east coast

[acoustic roost]

Servers going live in ~9 hours 😭

[grim jay]

There are many that value it ye

Lets just say it that way

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

it kinda blows my mind that you can be in a country where multiple time zones exist

ngl

[spice surge]

China is big but its still only one time zone

[gusty mirage]

it had 5 prior to 1950 tho

[grim jay]

Thats called evolution

[gusty mirage]

or that the government decided to just use the same timezone

really makes you think about how time is relative

[grim jay]

Ngl I hope they someday abandon summer and wintertime

[gusty mirage]

what really makes it "9am"

for example

why does 9am have to be sunlight

[royal lantern]

just make it globaly the same time

ofc the zone im in should be the baseline

[grim jay]

In my head it aint that difficult tbf, kinda have to choose a start and an end that a day cycles through. Considering it has a midpoint, thats how they set am/pm. The time of the day where there is light at its peak being the the middle because back then the time with the sun out was the only time they could really operate

[balmy condor]

you too brother

[vestal wren]

i was happy with it in 10.2 already ^^

maybe ill try to be even more fancy with tww release

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna see what other people cook first

And go from there

[vestal wren]

haha ye

also rly depends how much time i have for experiments

[errant trail]

okay so i’m kinda owning a tiny bit in higher keys

bleed build pumps but still a coinboy

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/172564751640035328/798336841865494578/image0.gif

[gusty mirage]

You're kinda owning because you're a gamer

[errant trail]

im new to rogue so still figuring things out here and there

[royal lantern]

its ok

just on

[grim jay]

And thats how we know you are a gamer

[quiet oar]

[fresh sphinx]

[rain oyster]

We ret or warrior rerollers?

[placid adder]

Dk

[slim pebble]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

no rerolling, rogue only all the way

[loud nest]

Amen

All the changes make it seems like all specs are going to be less fun

but gotta play them and

beat the classes that got love

then laugh

then cry

[orchid pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/pascal-pedro-pedro-pascal-discord-crying-gif-21761489

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[loud nest]

I just got to learning sin too lmao

[dark token]

Hello where is rogue spec tier list for prepatch

[worldly sail]

right here:

[slate scaffold]

here's ur tier list

[gusty mirage]

[normal mist]

[spice spire]

Counterpoint:

[balmy condor]

Counter counterpoint:

[spice surge]

Nice argument, but also

[gusty mirage]

counter counter counter counter-point

[slim pebble]

… I need the Luna emotes that people have made. The one is how I feel about rogue RN

[balmy condor]

Yeah sadly however you forgot to take into consideration

[slate scaffold]

[gusty mirage]

check DMs

[shy pecan]

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

why does this feel like an outlaw emote

[shy pecan]

Because looks like an outlaw player irl

[balmy condor]

ah

makes sense

[hearty reef]

Missing eyebrows

[slim pebble]

This is how I feel about rogue

[shy pecan]

@ember mural confirm

[slim pebble]

This is the best dm I’ve ever received

[spice spire]

It seems you may have forgotten

[balmy condor]

actually it is you who has forgotten

I'm neurodivergent and lgbt

you sassing me classifies as a hate crime

lock him up boys

[spice spire]

I also am a fan of “let’s get this bread”

[placid adder]

Jail right away

[spice surge]

The slang for dough has been in the oven long enough to have risen as bread, without changing its meaning

Language is truly remarkable

[royal lantern]

calc is a slang for calculator, if you didnt know

[rain mortar]

Do we think no tuning today because it’s official prepatch?

[ember mural]

Wait you're making fun of outlaw

[shy pecan]

Yeah, no outlaw player could ever look as cute as George

[ember mural]

Real

[tulip pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/messy-viralhog-play-shake-noodle-gif-20400043

Out law ST POV

[scenic nacelle]

Rip Shadow Dance

[royal lantern]

nah, good riddance

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-rat-ratjam-catjam-ratjammers-gif-21929051

All WAs updated on Wago, ready for prepatch use, wooo

[royal lantern]

big wa update time for me tomorrow

[spice surge]

I updated my WAs/UI a couple of weeks back, i spent like 3 hours making it look almost identical to how it looked before except now its not got some offset by 1 pixel issues everywhere (or having the was be 1 extra pixel in size to compensate for the offset etc)

Its now perfectly centered with even and nice numbers for everything and in smart groups that organize themselves based on talents n stuff 👌

[slate crown]

Btw I haven't messed with it but I noticed in the Information tab they added an Offset by 1px setting?

No idea if that'd be helpful or solve the issue you're having

I have no idea what it does

Just noticed it

[spice surge]

Nah my issue wasnt inherently with WAs

It was that i used an elvui bar for some of the spells

And for some reason 6 spells à 50 pixels each ended up being 301 in width

Despite not having any space inbetween

And then i had built the WAs around that bars size etc

[scenic nacelle]

Bless you

[shy pecan]

This shit was so obnoxious

[slate crown]

I often fear my shit is going to be krangled for people because I create but then play on a weird resolution

[royal lantern]

i feel that so hard right now lol

[slate crown]

But all of my sizing and offets are all very standard round numbers

So it should be fine

[errant trail]

this is how sin feels

if you like just pretend nothings wrong your dmg goes 🆙

[slate crown]

Just uninstall details. The numbers, they can only go up.

[spice spire]

You’re so real for that

[slim pebble]

Can we reverse the order on details so we can copium even harder?

[balmy condor]

turn your head 180 degrees

that's the tech

[ashen oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-bird-owl-look-gif-16683467

[fleet pagoda]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice spire]

Class so bad I turned 360 degrees and walked away

Doesn’t really work as well if not the Xbox 360 :/

[spice surge]

Keep in mind whispyr is american, so 180f is roughly 82 degrees c

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

Seems chill

[normal mist]

Play with bad players

[slim pebble]

I’m only ilvl 499 so it’s even worse lol

[normal mist]

Fuck

[austere sorrel]

Krangled. Nice

[royal lantern]

how much is that in random body parts as meassurment?

[keen spruce]

[zinc field]

Does anyone know what the Pooling Practice tool does?

[spice surge]

Show you when to pool

So you can practice pooling

[zinc field]

Lol dumb follow up question. What do you mean by “pooling”

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[zinc field]

Awesome thank you. This helps a lot 😁

[balmy condor]

np

it's not very important

only like 1.5%ish

but it's not like we have anything else to do between kingsbanes

[zinc field]

100%. I’m just stuck in this 250-300k dps range and I’m trying to get higher in keys. It’s pissing me off

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/hurt-on-top-ron-gif-20848026

[fleet pagoda]

without subterfuge is improved garrote enabling iron wire?

[spice surge]

Yes, the only thing subterfuge does is allow you to ambush

And mutilate is better than ambush anyway so

[fleet pagoda]

cool, just making sure

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's a headscratcher for sure

never seen such a useless talent in my life

[spice surge]

Youre wrong

[vestal wren]

MA is still not active during subterfuge, right?

[fleet pagoda]

combine that with subterfuge

[clever sapphire]

that would do something tho if i vanish with cooldowns up no? like technically it would leech there

[spice surge]

It doesnt work with subterfuge nor shadowdance

[balmy condor]

okay but hear me out

[spice surge]

Well ye you could vanish while garrotes are up but like

2% leech

[balmy condor]

that will heal you on your first gcd

subterfuge on the other hand

does actually nothing

15 healing > nothing

[spice surge]

It does something for the other specs tbf

[balmy condor]

that makes me feel better

at least someone is able to use the pointless talent ya know

assa will take one for the team

so outlaw can crackshot a lil

sacrifices have to be made

[tall jay]

So happy to see 1 channel again lol

[balmy condor]

I mean it makes sense, it's not a class tree right, it's a "not assassination" tree

[fleet pagoda]

I didn't realize that leech talent didn't interact with subt, that's actually kinda crazy. it's like saying when in combat, casting stealth is off gcd. like what's the point intended for pvp enjoyers maybe?

[clever sapphire]

i will gladly sacrifice outlaw for a better class tree

[spice surge]

Tea is the assa talent, cb is the sub talent and vanish is the outlaw talent

Very cool

[balmy condor]

yeah

of course the one good talent

is the assa talent

and the rest are hot fucking garbage

it's aight bro

assa will take the L

[spice surge]

Well outlaw doesnt take tea and sub takes it but macroes it with dance because it doesnt give a shit about the energy its just slightly more mastery

[balmy condor]

they took it during dragonflight

idk man

how am I supposed to be excited about the class tree

when it's literally just "pick the stuff that actually does something"

[spice surge]

It is what it is

[balmy condor]

yeah

and it's fucking stupid

[midnight mist]

Ho take it

[gusty mirage]

damn without knowing what you meant it sounds like you're calling Eleemo a ho and telling him to take tea

[midnight mist]

Lol

[balmy condor]

also works

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-elmo-elmo-monster-dancing-elmo-dancing-gif-6764806022206766395

[balmy condor]

I'm running for US president and my platform is taking all the swedes and putting them to use in femboy cafes

eleem will serve me tea

[gusty mirage]

what will zine do

[royal lantern]

i would get american citizenship just to vote for you then

[balmy condor]

idk inventory I guess he's too ugly to be seen in public

[gusty mirage]

wtf

do you think you'd get more votes than brainworm man?

[balmy condor]

yes

1 is more than 0

and tryan already supports my platform

it's a grassroots campaign now

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

yeah the guy who works and sleeps all day

nice grassroots campaign bozo

I'm sure you can convince Cev and @silk bane to help

they need reassurances from daddy whysper

[balmy condor]

tryan is all I need

[gusty mirage]

if you love him so much why don't you just marry him?

HM?

[balmy condor]

our campaign is recruiting only the most supple furries

[royal lantern]

thats why he comes to germany soon wdym

[balmy condor]

this is the future

[gusty mirage]

he's in germany right now

wdym soon

[balmy condor]

SOON? I've been here for a week and it's fucking hell thank you very much

hopefully i get to leave SOON

dumb mfer

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

kicking you out of my campaign

I don't want your vote anymore

[royal lantern]

man, i thought you would not be perma on discord there

[balmy condor]

you thought wrong

the alternative is literally DIGGING A TREE OUT OF THE GROUND

[royal lantern]

thats why i let smart people do the thinking

[balmy condor]

You omegalul that’s literally what I did today

Spent 5 hours outside just fucking digging in my backyard like a six year old in a sand pit

and then the god damn roots are so thick I have to stand there and take an axe to the dirt

[slate scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-ben-stiller-benstiller-gif-12169139201078736959

[balmy condor]

and then my grandma comes outside, complains that I'm slow, calls me a slur, and then tells me to come inside for lunch at 12:30

fucking hate my life man

[willow rapids]

at least you didn't have to cook your own lunch

[balmy condor]

which scientist decided it was okay to let people live past 90

people were never supposed to get that old

[gusty mirage]

wow

[royal lantern]

wholesome familiy time

[gusty mirage]

this took quite the turn

[placid adder]

When will the digging YouTube video come out

[gusty mirage]

his grandma is about as wholesome toward him as your father is to you

[balmy condor]

I gotchu, will record and post it up, just search for "soft handed twink does his mandated once a year hard manual labor"

should be the first video

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

i got an idea whisp

we take my dad and your grandma and lock them inside a room

and maybe they yell eachother appart

[balmy condor]

does your dad talk about the war all the time as well

[royal lantern]

well, in his words "they should start mandatory drafts again for the Ukraine, so that your spoiled and soft generation has some hardships for 1 time in their life"

does that count 🙂

[balmy condor]

oh I've heard that one before

they'll get along fine

[royal lantern]

he dodged his own military service when it was mandatory btw

[balmy condor]

incredible

today hasn't been much

just complaining about me not being careful enough, but also been too careful at the same time when I was trimming the hedges

and then asking me to round the edges

like I'm a landscaper

I literally only do yard work the one time a year when I'm here

but she refuses to get a gardener or something and then spends all day bitching about how awful her garden looks

and then she lets it grow literally all year

and then I have to clean it up

huge

[fleet pagoda]

#assassination message there's a lot of talk about trees for somebody who doesn't do landscaping

[balmy condor]

Fuck you

[jade abyss]

count me in aswell #whispforpresident

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

sounds german

my neighbour is build different tho, literally mowing like 3 times a week

but also bitching about how awful it looks

(guess what if you cut it 3 times a week no matter the temp/sun)

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1265352717380091954/image.png?ex=66a1330c&is=669fe18c&hm=3f2361af789f6bf2f3a0622824d0ff9e719ef2a350635a1f2008de10f6c502d5&

brb msg my RL where my payment is

[balmy condor]

Ain’t no way

Tell me this is like a top 10 guild

[dusk onyx]

Hc guild with mythic ambitions

[spice surge]

We had a guy leave our guild for a guild that paid something similar to that, with his last comment being "money talks"

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

True and real

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-confused-um-squint-gif-13025511

[balmy condor]

Bros on his grindset

He’s grustlin

[hoary remnant]

Wtf

[fleet pagoda]

the right move would be to make a few new accounts to trial with

[raven egret]

What guild is this?

[hoary remnant]

Name please

[dusk onyx]

I have no clue, was just joking

[bleak ledge]

Imperative

[raven egret]

in other news, hello my fellow pre-patch day rogues

[bleak ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/gromnak-gunnars-mask-off-rage-world-of-warcraft-gif-22178131

[hoary remnant]

Idk I can't see any guild that isn't top 10 coming any good from this. 50$ is 10% of the monthly payment echo players get (source noggie)

[rotund oak]

hook me up bro

ill show u how its done

[rose inlet]

believe thats the imperative reform

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

guilds starting paying raiding

thats what i like to see

gimme raider status

[balmy condor]

If any rogue is getting paid to raid and plays assassination

I do require a 10% cut

[hoary remnant]

Bro imagine being bench getting paid 🙄

[rotund oak]

bro i dont even mind 😄

[rotund oak]

if u convince seli for beers and come in octoberfest ill t3 sub

[hoary remnant]

Big money 50$ pays for raidbots sub and wow sub!

[balmy condor]

Imagine needing to pay for raidbots

[rotund oak]

^^

50E is like my coffees at work every month or so

or basicly my gas tank

btw thats 50 euros more than my wife pays for gas

[hoary remnant]

What is gas?

[rotund oak]

fuel for my car

gasoline

[raven egret]

I'll talk to my RL, I'll do my best to get you your 2$

[balmy condor]

Pogging

[jade abyss]

first steps are made

my guild lead grills me a steak next time i visit him for raiding thats pog aswell D:

[willow rapids]

he can hire a gardener when he goes to his grandma then

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Gardener fund

[rotund oak]

imagine raiding to clear ur garden

lazy ppl

i clean it myself

[hollow stone]

weird flex

[rotund oak]

its called being a man

[balmy condor]

Having to take this stump out of the ground might cause my twink death man I can’t hold out much longer

[rotund oak]

flex my @ss

[hoary remnant]

You flex your @ss?

Ok to much information

[rotund oak]

eveyrhting for u babeh

[hollow stone]

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

[ember mural]

[rotund oak]

[raven egret]

[errant trail]

my kingsbane feels like

[raven egret]

👀

Whispyr tells me to get the cloak, it is an obligation

[balmy condor]

As opposed to last patch when I also said to get the cloak

[raven egret]

CURSES! I apologize for not following your Word, I shall repent

[balmy condor]

I mean I’m dead serious that I just copy pasted the bis gear

[hollow stone]

lol

[rotund oak]

prepatch its like a month worth unsubbing

🤝

time for some maplestory or poe

[balmy condor]

True

Real

Based

[midnight atlas]

quickly, farm bis gear to kill mobs faster in tww.

[raven egret]

I have undeleted characters so I can xfer Timewarp currency and whatever else;

I got priorities

[hollow stone]

after the madness that is mop remix leveling, I see 54 chars now on somebody's sheet and I'm like "eh, rookie numbers"

[raven egret]

Oh no, my deleted Remix characters are not on that list 😄

[hollow stone]

still far more than I have

but man, remix leveling changed my perception

[spice surge]

Bro getting boosted by cracked lvl 20 characters in remix is insane

[raven egret]

dont worry once I am done that list will be back down to 14 characters

[spice surge]

Takes unironically like an hour from lvl 10 to max

In prepatch it should be like 30 mins

[raven egret]

I undeleted like 50 if them to strip them of extra currency

[hollow stone]

yuuuup, I have a couple guildies now with hundreds of chars just because of mop remix

one of them just started naming them numbers

[spice surge]

I deleted a lvl 60 i had just to remake it in remix

Because its just faster than leveling from 60-70

[hollow stone]

YUP

same haha

[raven egret]

yeah I remade my warrior through remix, but holy hell you'd think they'd stop the event with pre-patch or allow remix char to revert

[gusty mirage]

p sure that was an imperative guy

ye

that was their enhance shaman/recruiter

[cinder pebble]

Heya 🙂 as warri player I got used to playing assa in ST and having a blast. But as soon as there are 2+ Target i am more than lost :/ Will the prepatch changes help my small ass warrior monkey brain to learn the aoe/cleave rotation?

[hollow stone]

nope

if anything, SBS will make it slightly harder

[cinder pebble]

Sorry for asking but what is SBS?

[hollow stone]

np np, serrated bone spike

it's on the right of the tree, passive now

[balmy condor]

What

It adds 0 layers

[hollow stone]

no? ok nvm then

[balmy condor]

Tf you talking about

[hoary remnant]

it makes it actually easier to spread dots in aoe imo

SBS is fun on beta

[jaunty dew]

Does SBS stack on ST?

[balmy condor]

No

[jaunty dew]

Sadge

[balmy condor]

It just does big instant damage

[cinder pebble]

I have a huge problem getting everything dotted and keeping it running :/ Every other class its juts 1 button to spread everything x:

[balmy condor]

Yeh

That’s just practice

You don’t have to dot EVERYTHING

But multidotting is tough for sure

[hoary remnant]

SbS makes that actually easier

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Sbs in aoe openers is a godsend

Can just gar gar rup rup

And you’re good to go

[cinder pebble]

Are there any good resources for me to watch? 🙂

Every vid I found its like 30+% dislikes

[balmy condor]

I guarantee my videos don’t have that many dislikes

[spice lagoon]

so basically assassination is gonna be the easiest class to rotate?

[royal lantern]

keep dots running on important priority targets and you are fine

[royal lantern]

? whats that supposed to mean lol

[spice lagoon]

also @cinder pebble go too dummies and practice too it will help you out

[rain mortar]

A little excited for the sbs play in m+ not gonna lie

[raven egret]

I mean

[spice lagoon]

meaning you're rotation

[royal lantern]

my man, its slightly more passive dmg on rupture and thats it

[balmy condor]

The cp are nice

[hoary remnant]

Whispyr does really good content for sin

[balmy condor]

I’m excited for it

[rain mortar]

It’s the CP opener with it that seems kind of cool

Exactly

[raven egret]

as long as it covers teh dmg loss from losing shrouded, I'll like sbs I suppose 😛

[hoary remnant]

Also if you have twitch prime watch kush play rogue on beta and in general (the rogue from echo)

[rotund oak]

if its not stepsis im fine with w/e

[royal lantern]

kush? aka "outlaw is bad in raids cus it has to much rng compared to assa and sub" in 10.2?

[rain mortar]

I regret asking this already - but there is no change to stat desirability for us is there? Some of the builds are less “bleed” focused so wondered if it would mean less mastery but I think I already know the answer is no.

[royal lantern]

yes, the answer is no

[runic hinge]

The only thing I desire is more agility

[hoary remnant]

He plays all 3. So w/e.

[royal lantern]

why should anything change there, no reason for it to do it at all

[rotund oak]

sin doesnt rly care for secondary stats either way

[balmy condor]

But less bleed means more poison and they’re both on mastery

[rotund oak]

so why even care

[rain mortar]

Yeah that’s what I figured

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

remember when the mastery was Master Poisoner and poisons only

[raven egret]

Bleeds will save us, bleeds will do all the dmg, in bleeds we trust

[rotund oak]

im the poison kind of guy but ild sign up for that thang either way

[hoary remnant]

Mastery is nice to have but makes switching between sub and sin easier. Versa isnt bad stat

[rotund oak]

bleeds good

[rain mortar]

On beta I’ve felt much more energy starved compared to live - wondering if we will notice that today in prepatch or not. Could also just be completely made up in my head

[balmy condor]

Crit damage, increases damage of all abilities,

mastery, increases damage of most abilities

Haste, increases tick rate of dots and adds a bit of haste to increase all damage

Vers, increases all damage

Incredibly decision making here

[cinder pebble]

Maybe stupid question. in AOE do you just Gar on the same target "twice"? Or you tab to a target which has not gar yet

[rotund oak]

ik,i did play sin with sub gear,performed almost equally good

[balmy condor]

Can do either, ideally the latter

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[hoary remnant]

pretty much the plan for next exp.

[cinder pebble]

Gonna check your vids ! tyvm

[balmy condor]

If you gar the same target twice

You lose 1 gar

But it’s kinda whatever

[royal lantern]

you forgot

agility: do more damage with everything, more then vers

[spice spire]

Doesn’t give the extra tankiness though vers deniers in shambles

[hoary remnant]

But what on 3 targets

[rotund oak]

and what about pressing shiv on it

[balmy condor]

You don’t gar twice

[rotund oak]

we dont rly go with ap now do we

we go hybrid

with demise,IC,DTB and KB

wait am i tripping

[runic hinge]

yes

AP better always

[balmy condor]

If you wanna hybrid

No AP

[rotund oak]

yeah thats what i remember

im not tripping

thank albert einstein

[balmy condor]

I think I’m personally gonna try playing hybrid

[rotund oak]

i think hybrid cooks better even for m+

we just spatter the F out of it

[rain mortar]

Hybrid seems more fun to me right now

[raven egret]

thats the cleave build 😛

[balmy condor]

Oh I probably didn’t public the talent builds uh oh

[rotund oak]

there are many stuff u can change now

[balmy condor]

Does the talent page on wowhead work

[rotund oak]

its not the same

[subtle tundra]

youre playing?

[raven egret]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes?

[rotund oak]

oh yeah

[raven egret]

I mean talent loadout doesn't load Hero tree but yes

[balmy condor]

It’s not supposed to

[rotund oak]

thats because its prepatch

[balmy condor]

That works though

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

Thanks

[raven egret]

yeah just confirming everything works as I expected it to

[jaunty dew]

@balmy condor You plan on updating the wa? Are you keeping Afenar's base?

[royal lantern]

the man is on "vacation" give him time

[rotund oak]

wait this has no CT and the MA point is on amp poison

[royal lantern]

(the "vacation" is mental torture)

[runic hinge]

that was raid build

[rotund oak]

yeah looks like it,no spatter either

[jaunty dew]

Let me poke the bear! 😦

[runic hinge]

I was just showing it was updated on wowhead

[royal lantern]

ye ofc, ill do it myself all the time, dont worry

[balmy condor]

Yes and yes

I also plan to maintain my plater

So

Chop chop quazii I need to steal your mob data

[jaunty dew]

lmao

was about to say i like quazi's

[balmy condor]

Yeah

My UI is basically just yoinked from other people

[jaunty dew]

Same

[balmy condor]

And then tweaked to get rid of all the nonsense bullshit

[raven egret]

this is the way

[jaunty dew]

I don't get people who sell UI

5$ a month for a UI

Which is overloaded with things

[rotund oak]

the delusion of elitism

u can pay 5dollars for UI doesnt matter if ur wifi is slow

[royal lantern]

and my UI is yoinked from you and other people

[jaunty dew]

Thing is - there are free variations from people who do it for the community, I would gladly donate 5$ quazii for all the stuff he puts out

[royal lantern]

its stealing all the way around

[jaunty dew]

don't you mean... pick pocketing?

I'll show myself out

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s just another way to make popular streamer money ya know

Big streamer name means has to be good means willing to pay money

[jaunty dew]

OH for sure

I see it in PoE as well

[spice lagoon]

servers up yet its 3:00

[jaunty dew]

Big time streamers push out some bs build that needs 100 divines to pull off

And sell it as a "league starter"

[grim jay]

how many people are actually yoinking yoinked stuff from the yoinker

[runic hinge]

where do you live?

[balmy condor]

Yeah day 1 build bro (with mageblood)

[spice lagoon]

georgia near florida

@runic hinge

[runic hinge]

Unlucky, the wrong 3 pm

[raven egret]

my own is a collection of trackers stolen from multiple sources in my own setup

[gusty mirage]

you know it's not 3pm PST

you fuck

[spice lagoon]

its gonna be about 6pm

[gusty mirage]

don't mind tony he just drinks all day or something

[runic hinge]

you know i don't know shit

[balmy condor]

It’s noon in PST

wtf are you guys smoking

[spice lagoon]

tony needs to pass me a beer and lets our drink on

so good weed

[runic hinge]

I'm going to work in 2 hours, surely the servers are up when I get home

[spice lagoon]

most def im thinking around 6pm eastern for me

[raven egret]

Do you know if you gonna be a Sin Rogue in tww, today?

[grim jay]

imagine going to work if you are drunk

[runic hinge]

as of today yes

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

I don't do that any more

[grim jay]

anymore

[runic hinge]

I was fun and carefree once

[grim jay]

I'm kinda curious how many do know

I dont think we have that many sin only people

[gusty mirage]

you have whispyr and tryan

cause presumably cev's donezo

quake's donezo

[grim jay]

seli?

[gusty mirage]

seli barely plays the game bro

[grim jay]

donezo

[gusty mirage]

mfer out here writing great push articles and playing some weird gacha game

[grim jay]

which one tho

[gusty mirage]

@marble hemlock which gacha game are you playing now

[grim jay]

no way he's playing the gacha OG summoners war

[raven egret]

I mean, I'm sin only as long as dust exist, I suppose

[grim jay]

what if it exists but is worse?

[raven egret]

Then I would be even MORE Sin only!

Sin overdrive or something

[rotund oak]

Is that alabama?

@spice lagoon

[gusty mirage]

but you don't play dust

[rotund oak]

basicly nvm im gonna google

[gusty mirage]

p sure alabama is central timezone

[marble hemlock]

Star Rail, ZZZ and Limbus Company

[gusty mirage]

@grim jay theres your answer

[marble hemlock]

I only write guides for ZZZ tho

[spice lagoon]

nah georgia homie

[rotund oak]

oh ye alabama is west from georgia

always getting confused with the states in the U.S

[royal lantern]

wait

you write guides for multiple games?

[spice lagoon]

ive been here for almost 23 years and im still confused also homie haha

the world seems so small but yet so big

[marble hemlock]

I do now, ye

[wooden radish]

is ZZZ any good?

I mostly play arknights on my iphone

[gusty mirage]

here you go friend

[rotund oak]

🫶

[spice lagoon]

thank you oxi that helps me out also

[marble hemlock]

It's aight. Action gameplay that's serviceable. Nothing outstanding imo, but its kind of slice of life storytelling on release now. Production quality is 10/10 as always

[marble hemlock]

was supposed to respond to this

[gusty mirage]

I have that on hand because I have to explain to people that I'm very much eastern time zone

no one believes me

[runic hinge]

we should get rid of DST

[wooden radish]

yeah I have no doubts hoyoverse would be 10/10 production tbh, I enjoyed Star Rail and Genshin at the start of those games but never stuck to it

[marble hemlock]

It's more involved than Genshin from what Ive been told, but never played Genshin

[balmy condor]

Get rid of D(u)ST

[spice lagoon]

yes i am EST Too

[gusty mirage]

based af

[marble hemlock]

Dragonspine Trophy was bis, sorry.

[gusty mirage]

michigan being est confuses people

which judging by that map, rightfully so

[spice lagoon]

KY IN MI confused tf out of me

[marble hemlock]

Yeah I mean, I wouldn't play any of them if it wasnt chill and quick to do the daily content shit. HSR you just log in, afk a few fights, and youre done, in ZZZ the fights take like 2min, you do 3 of them, you spetn your daily energy.

And Limbus you log in, and log out 30sec later cuz thats all you gotta do

Based game, actually

11/10 story

[rotund oak]

madness of the betrayer was bis sry

[marble hemlock]

Not for Rogue it wasnt

DST+Shard of Contempt

[rotund oak]

true true

shard

[marble hemlock]

Expertise too powerful

[grim jay]

I'm probably too old to know those

[marble hemlock]

Blud I'm 36

Well, not yet. Soon.

[grim jay]

ik I was just kidding

knew you are in your 30s

old man

[rotund oak]

uwu a puppy

[grim jay]

only sap is older

[runic hinge]

How soon

[marble hemlock]

Everybody should play Limbus Company.

And Libary of Ruina

Goated as fuck games

[grim jay]

has a high rating

what

[marble hemlock]

I mean, I wasn't kidding.

Best story in a videogame since Nier: Replicant imo.

Might actually be better

And 13/10 OSTs

[grim jay]

as soon as someone says gacha I always think stuff like summoners war

[marble hemlock]

Limbus isnt really a gacha tbh

[grim jay]

where you can spend no matter what amount of cash and ask yourself why you just did that

[marble hemlock]

New characters release, you just buy both of them with shit from playing teh game instantly

All you need is the battlepass once every 4months or so

[grim jay]

how about skins

[marble hemlock]

not how the game works

it only has 12 playable characters, new character releases are just alternate versions of those 12

[spice lagoon]

gotta watch out for them GATCHA games

[marble hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiuYxvTv4aE

[spice lagoon]

you entertaining fuckery

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXrpq-6jHc

BUBBLE BUBBLE

[raven egret]

I feel my seach history will be corrupted if I click links here today

[marble hemlock]

studio that does most of the music for limbus company actually made a bunch of maplestory tracks too

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Goes hard

[marble hemlock]

studio EIM goes super hard

the last event in limbus had some nice jazz/dubstep fusion OST for the boss

it claps hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPEMgNa8ho8

[north frost]

What does the kingsbane burst rotation look like without shadowdance? do we just vanish before kingsbane now, rather then the last tick?

[marble hemlock]

the only reason we used dance with KB was for the nightstalker damage amp snapshot. nightstalker no longer exists

[spice surge]

The exact same except you dont press shadowdance

Or well, you dont vanish at the last second of kb either

[marble hemlock]

so you either vanish after your first set of stealth garrotes start hitting pandemic, (which delays your 2nd deathmark a bit), or you hold onto it and send it right before the 2nd DM

[spice surge]

You vanish before deathmark to have improved garrotes up

[static glacier]

The real q is are we done with MA

[spice lagoon]

assassination is gonna be so easy

[marble hemlock]

yes

[spice lagoon]

i cannot wait

[strange python]

It was already easy though

[rare jackal]

gonna miss the piano burst but overall good changes
if they now shift the damage breakdown so it isnt 80% envenom and auto attacks it could be great

[spice surge]

MA is not a good talent, but we might pick it anyway because the options its competing against are worse

[spice lagoon]

indeed it was clubbin

[marble hemlock]

a fair chunk of that is from the tierset which will be gone soon enough

[static glacier]

I’m curious where we’ve received power since KB has gotten a ton weaker

[raven egret]

it is to us, giving sin to a rando doesn't usually end well

[strange python]

fair

[marble hemlock]

we didnt

[rare jackal]

i was talking about deathstalker from beta, but maybe that is already outdated

[marble hemlock]

not in prepatch anyway

oh fair

yeah i was thinking prepatch still

it goes up again with TWW deathstalker, yeah

but not to the same level

[static glacier]

Time to wait for tww drop then

[marble hemlock]

current tierset is just kinda stupid

[spice surge]

Well technically blizz just hit us with the +15% dmg, which should compensate

[spice lagoon]

ima pay 20$ and get the heroic edition

[marble hemlock]

iirc imp poisons beats MA now cuz so much value of MA was due to stupidly high KB ticks

[spice surge]

But not in our kit

[spice lagoon]

so without anyone of the edition accept basic what are we limited too

[marble hemlock]

nothing. there is absolutely no reason to get early access unless you want to level like 17 characters and need 3 extra days to do so before raids and stuff open

[gusty mirage]

Also dance

[north frost]

I dont understand how we just got a huge rework then they make all these changes. Im a big pvp'r so losing dance is big. and a 2nd charge of vanish does not equal things out. I would just like to hear from the dev what thier thoughts are on rogue and how they envision it.

[marble hemlock]

ye ofc

[balmy condor]

El no sabe

[marble hemlock]

ye

blissfully unaware

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane got 6% as a compensation

And then we got 15% aura

More than makes up for it

[marble hemlock]

well yeah but aura doesnt compensate within the kit

just overall

[balmy condor]

What’s that even mean

[spice lagoon]

i wanna see also what next for us rogues but its too early to tell

[raven egret]

Envenom bots, ASSEMBLE!

[marble hemlock]

well the question, at least how i understood it, is if another part of the kit was buffed to compensate for the KB nerf

[balmy condor]

Everything was

[marble hemlock]

well yeah, aura buff

maybe im too anal about the "it went somewhere else", usually when i think of compensating for a nerf, i think of "smth else gets buffed in return"

not "everything does more damage to make up for it"

[gusty mirage]

You are, it’s not a maybe

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the tism seli

[north frost]

one of my ideas was to give us a chance to get a proc that resets garrotes CD and is useable as if from stealth. I think this was be a fun interaction and add some gameplay to help with interupts in pve and pvp

[marble hemlock]

fair

[spice lagoon]

New tier just dropped

reversed asf though

[balmy condor]

This dude just took a pic from his phone of outlaw chat

[subtle tundra]

bro you can

fucking copy

the pic

[raven egret]

did you... took a pic... with... what

[balmy condor]

I’ve never had so much bile in my mouth

[north frost]

thats from IZENs video

[strange python]

Nokia 3130

[subtle tundra]

im getting cancer

[balmy condor]

Who the fuck is izen

[marble hemlock]

i actually respect it

its pretty based

[rain mortar]

You sir have never eaten Limburger cheese then

[marble hemlock]

especially because you cant actually read the tiers anymore

to see that its reversed

[spice lagoon]

i didn't kno you could copy a picture sorry

[north frost]

https://youtu.be/dMSpB29sn_o?si=pdUkGg16WvJoMAUV

[strange python]

are you 97 years old?

[raven egret]

SNIPPING tool homie!

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-18270696

[marble hemlock]

you can just click the image and itll open in browser with a URL

that you can use to repost

[raven egret]

or save screenshots, copy paste, whatever XD

[gusty mirage]

Who in the blue Sam Hill fuck is Izen

[placid adder]

boomer alert

[spice lagoon]

sorry everyone please stop getting on my ass lol

[marble hemlock]

anyway

i think boomie deserves its own tier

cuz fuck me that spec is dogshit

[spice lagoon]

gotcha man ty

[gusty mirage]

What

[strange python]

I wanna know how/why sin is at the top. I'm not mad, just curious

[raven egret]

Also who does a reverse tier list XD

[north frost]

he does videos on specs in PvE based on analytics

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/37tarFt.jpeg

[raven egret]

read the category names

[strange python]

oh

[balmy condor]

That sounds miserable

[marble hemlock]

did i stutter?

[spice lagoon]

go on youtube and look at all the last tier lists and look at this one

[gusty mirage]

No, what compelled you to believe any of us asked?

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

well played

[gusty mirage]

I finally got Seli

[raven egret]

??? what are you talking about

[gusty mirage]

After 4 years

[spice lagoon]

like go on you tube search up tier lists for different classes and it will show you different pictures from previous updates

[raven egret]

that... has absolutely nothing to do with what I said

[strange python]

You know tier lists are opinion based right?

90% opinion. 10% stats

[balmy condor]

I was just told he does it based on analytics

[raven egret]

like, what are you talking about? Reverse tier list because he listed Worst to Best, tier list are Best to worst top bottom usually

[balmy condor]

So is he a random with an opinion

Or a random with access to garbage data

[normal mist]

Windows+shift+S opens up the sniping tool

[raven egret]

Oh me me, can I have an opinion?

[placid adder]

prob both

[spice lagoon]

i do with the image right?

wouldlnt it be just simple to right click?

[marble hemlock]

i mean that statement can technically be true, depending on what people consider "analytics"

[normal mist]

you can do that command, choose the area of the screen you want and then Ctrl+V

[vernal gazelle]

Well it would be but look at what you did Tommy

[gray raven]

the pinned aoe build does not have crimson tempest?

[spice lagoon]

#outlaw message

ah

[vernal gazelle]

This man is trolling us

[runic hinge]

Analyze this

[normal mist]

A man is only dumb until he isn't

[north frost]

I think he pulls from warcraftlogs site
but his videos are just his opinions
no need for the community to get all worked up about it

[raven egret]

Done, it's small enough for you to stay Sin Rogue in TWW, congratulations

[north frost]

Dont be a fotm reroller
stick to your true love - ill be playing sin no matter how it compares

[normal mist]

True

if it feels good, all you gotta do is disable recount

(for now atleast)

[static glacier]

Everyone rerolls though, or did my friends all suddenly decide they love shadow priest in s4, along with like all streamers

[strange python]

same, sin is life

[static glacier]

Then forgot about how much they love it in tww

[normal mist]

I dont

[raven egret]

I aint rolling anywhere

[strange python]

I play other stuff, but I will always stay on sin primarily.

[normal mist]

The only thing rolling is coins

[static glacier]

Ww detected

[waxen oyster]

The only thing aug needs

is to be taken out back

and deleted

[balmy condor]

Yeah so the problem with this is that fighting misinformation is kinda my job, and you can analyze beta Warcraftlogs until the cows come home and still get nothing but nonsense, so I am a little worked up about it yeh

[spice lagoon]

when ya'll speak of sin what do you mean?

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-gif-18553963

[normal mist]

assasSINnation

[spice lagoon]

oh okay i get it now

[north frost]

assassin = sin

[normal mist]

or ASSAssination

[waxen oyster]

Ass is better name

[marble hemlock]

only correct answer

[waxen oyster]

true or true

[spice lagoon]

short term

[strange python]

He's trolling you guys. Stop replying to him lol

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[marble hemlock]

on the off-chance he isnt, takes all of 3 seconds to respond

[normal mist]

^

[north frost]

in that case
keep doing the Lord's work

[strange python]

bros been on this discord long enough to not have the newcomer mark i have. he knows what sin is

[marble hemlock]

the problem with "just putting my thoughts out there" is that when its not prefaced/disclaimed as "THIS IS JUST MY OPINION" its very easy to take things as factual

[normal mist]

Do you really think that "time on this discord" = "knowing things"?

[marble hemlock]

and yet it still only takes 3 seconds to respond to him on the off-chance its not a deliberate attempt

[normal mist]

i could have joined the discord 5 years ago and not used it and muted it

[marble hemlock]

its not like it hurts anybody

[normal mist]

please, just stop

[marble hemlock]

we do tend to be hard on people who troll to rile up people

but this aint it

[north frost]

Can we all just say one posotive thing about sin coming with tww

[normal mist]

Besides

[marble hemlock]

theres only a few specs who have it this bad

[normal mist]

Even IF he was trolling, there must be a thousand lurkers here that probably didn't know as well

[strange python]

truth, they even resurrected aff. but sin still down

[normal mist]

so now, not only he knows, and a bunch of quiet people know as well

[marble hemlock]

memes aside, assa is gonna be a good spec for people who dont want to deal with sweeping rotational gameplay changes to their spec. itll likely perform well on st, be easy~ish to play even if youre not super familiar with the concepts of how to hyper minmax, and its still one of the tankiest specs in the game

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/im-proud-of-you-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20773745

[marble hemlock]

so anybody who quit halfway through DF or even SL, will come back to assa and be able to pick up the spec quickly

[strange python]

Not too excited about that though. More competition to get into keys

[normal mist]

Actually...

you're a dps

theres ALWAYS competition if you're not in the godcomp

[marble hemlock]

rogue typically does very well in early expac releases for m+, because shroud, survivability and its CC are good. it tends to fall off as things are more figured out.

[normal mist]

Do your own key 🙂

[strange python]

Im aware, but I get it competing with godcomps. But competing with other rogues is irksome 😛

[marble hemlock]

do your own keys

but yes

[strange python]

Im a puglord. I dont do my own keys lol

[marble hemlock]

pugging as a non-meta spec via LFG is not a great experience

[north frost]

I like it because it alows me to volunteer for mechanics without losing alot of damage to prog through a kill

[marble hemlock]

well, then theres something you can do to waste less time at least, thats not releated to your choice of spec

[strange python]

almost 3.1k pugged as sin in df4 :/ it was tough.

[marble hemlock]

spend 10min to make your own grp vs spending 20min to finally get invited to a key, easy choice

[strange python]

Last time i tried to form my group I spent 30 min in queue looking for a tank/heal.

pugged, got in in 5-10 min. sometimes 20

[normal mist]

Honestly cutting down the whining would help the state of rogues

[north frost]

could be worse... we could be OL mains

[normal mist]

LOL

[strange python]

oh how hard OL fell

[north frost]

I thought after the rework it was the best designed class. But now its just nuetered.

[placid adder]

sin was so much fun in s4

[normal mist]

The same as s3

[waxen oyster]

S4 and fun

same sentence

blinks

[placid adder]

yes some ppl like to play game

[normal mist]

Remix was the best experience of s4

[waxen oyster]

REAL

[strange python]

s4 was alright. Dragged on, but it was fine.

[balmy condor]

maplestory was the best experience of s4

[waxen oyster]

S4 was log in tuesday collect sale gold

[placid adder]

real experience of s4 was the great ups and downs of our beta experience

[waxen oyster]

log off

[earnest remnant]

Lost Ark

[royal lantern]

elden ring DLC + SMT5 on PC

[waxen oyster]

I'd like beta more

[clever sapphire]

ups?

[waxen oyster]

If raid testing was doable on NA by non unemployed people.

nice hours

[clever sapphire]

true, elden ring dlc was the only good part about S4

[midnight mist]

yo wtf im in the picture banger

[spice lagoon]

my bad about that

that was before i knew i could just copy the fkn photo -

[marble hemlock]

not playing wow was mine

[north frost]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-5916138264924840740

I never stop

[normal mist]

I played during the first 3 weeks for the Hc raids achievment + transmogs with bullions, then stopped and went to MHworld and FF14

look at this chad

[marble hemlock]

Someone put the bloom setting to 150%

[normal mist]

its the loggin character screen

sec i'll give you a better image

[silk bane]

my friend has insane beef wth him. in 10.2 ptr i did some ptr keys with friends, and one of my freinds was an rdruid. izen took the log from the key we did, called him a lazy rdruid for not doing enough damage, and just healing instead of gong to catform. plot twist, izen lied, the log that he showed of the damage breakdown was from another rdruid and not my friend. LMFAO

[marble hemlock]

Sounds like top tier analytics

[silk bane]

it was funny af we still call him a lazy rdruid

[raven egret]

mrgm interview;

[normal mist]

Aight enough FF14 from me today before Belular complains that we talk about FF14 and LostArk again

[marble hemlock]

Looks great. Still lots of bloom

[royal lantern]

wait what

what did i miss

[normal mist]

Bloom you mean the bright colors?

[marble hemlock]

Nah its just

Graphical setting

[normal mist]

let me google it

[marble hemlock]

Bloom is a post-processing effect used to reproduce an imaging artifact of real-world cameras. The effect produces fringes (or feathers) of light extending from the borders of bright areas in an image, contributing to the illusion of an extremely bright light overwhelming the camera capturing the scene.

[normal mist]

Might be the armor itself, its shinny as fuck

[fleet pagoda]

male hyur

[white python]

came here for the spec talk, walked into god knows what.

[normal mist]

We can talk about the spec

[royal lantern]

lets talk about restealths in m+

[marble hemlock]

There's no spectalk atm, but you're more than free to start one about anything you'd like to talk about

[normal mist]

let me give you a TLDR: Numbers aren't final, we lost shadowdance, we got SBS back as a passive

And we're still fucking cool

[marble hemlock]

you wanna get muted? this is how you get muted.

[royal lantern]

[normal mist]

I see, a man of culture as well

[raven egret]

I'm a bunny girl in FF14. No regrets.

[normal mist]

Honestly

based

They hot

[rain mortar]

I’ve decided we need a new talent that makes it so CT applies max combo point rup to 8 targets. Not op at all

[spice lagoon]

Dracthyr Assassination

what ya'll think about that

they said , they were thinking about making dracthyr into multiple classes

[strange python]

I don’t have words for this

[spice lagoon]

HAHAHHAA

[strange python]

To be fair visage form is good

Just stinky lizard form is ugly

[spice lagoon]

a death knight drac would look cool.

[normal mist]

Doubt they will be able to be dk