#assassination

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shy pecan
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In end game, yeah, it's ideal to just learn how your spec works

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Leveling, it's just press buttons and kill shit.

shadow badger
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you can d othat. but just sit at a training dummy and practice your rotation and opener then go into M+ and start practicing there

balmy condor
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leveling kinda sucks for teaching a spec cause it's like doing a puzzle without all the pieces

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and then you get all the pieces and have to learn the whole thing again

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it's definitely good for teaching the very very very basics

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like "oh I have a button named garrote I should press"

glass hemlock
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That’s such a good description of leveling in wow lmao

balmy condor
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but I assume that pretty much every player can deal with that

shy pecan
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Yeah, hence the just press buttons and kill shit

balmy condor
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my general thing is always if you've never played the class before at all and are completely going in blind

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leveling can be okay

glass hemlock
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My rogue learning was hit 70, join discord for build/basic info, find rotation on wowhead, install weak auras, spam rotation on dummy while listening to whispyr video about rotation. Go do m+.

balmy condor
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but if you're competent enough to understand the basics

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leveling is just a waste

glass hemlock
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^

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I leveled as outlaw lmao

balmy condor
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everyone always says restealths matter so much but then when leveling you get infinite restealths and people stil don't play assa

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CURIOUS!

shy pecan
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I've done some weekly keys with friends and invite sin rogues and then just chain pull to see how they'd deal with not getting restealths

balmy condor
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brutal

shy pecan
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Surprisingly haven't had any complaints

glass hemlock
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That’s no different to your typical pug experience

shy pecan
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Given how often it was a point of conversation in here earlier in the season, I figured they'd say something while in the key

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But nope

tough gorge
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They likely will just use vanish between long chains rather than for kingsbane.

spice lagoon
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man rogues a hard spec to play honestly

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assassain is the easiest

brave gyro
shy pecan
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in M+ anyway

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Well, if you need it anyway

glass hemlock
elder crest
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Whispyr thank you so much for all the info and the build links, it’s SOOO much more damage now

balmy condor
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Np

grim jay
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(unless you suck at chainpulling)

shy pecan
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I tried a pull or two where I’d pull at like 2% with one mob to try to trigger a response Smile

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But nothing

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So they seem to understand and use Vanish as needed

grim jay
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I usually dont type anything either, just ignore the person so we potentially dont end up in a group together anymore

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I really dislike bad chainpulls kekdog

quiet oar
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Ye

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2% chainpulls

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Like

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????

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Chainpull at 30%

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or just dont do it

shy pecan
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I mean, some people can be chill and be like “you know about this, right?”

clever sapphire
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good thing you dont have to think about 2% or 30% chain pull this week because spiteful ruins everything anyways pepeclown

grim jay
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But

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It doesnt change it actually

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It makes it even worse to not do good chainpulls

shadow badger
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is doomblade a stacking effect

clever sapphire
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i mean my tank in a NO 13 was doing the worst chainpulls and i still was top dps against a dh and ret pala, so chain pulls dont matter

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was i annoyed at the chain pulls? ye sure

grim jay
balmy condor
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You know how ignite works?

shadow badger
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no 😦

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i know it does alot of damage

balmy condor
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Okay

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Very quick and dirty tutorial on what a rolling dot is

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If you mut twice back to back right

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Let’s say each time, your doomblade is 100 damage

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So you mut, doomblade 100 damage for whatever 10 seconds

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Then you mut again 1 second later, another 100 damage

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Doomblade is doing 200

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The last tick would be 100 again

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Cause the first mut ran out

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So in total, you get 1000 damage from either mut

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And the damage compounds

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But the duration doesn’t

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Same concept for ironfur stacks or ignite

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That’s why we often call doomblade an ignite dot

shadow badger
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oh that makes alot more sense i thought it would have just been a basic overlap

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so doomblade should do like alot of damage

marble hemlock
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well not a lot, its more that this way no damage gets lost by casting the triggering ability of this damage source repeatedly

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"a lot" depends on the tuning of things pmuch

shadow badger
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oh okay

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theoretically this can do alot of damage

marble hemlock
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it could, yeah. firemage is built around the entire mechanic, kinda

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for us its just a small supplemental damage that also counts as a bleed for some other benefits, like Lethal Dose

pliant terrace
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Why dont ya'll just reroll feral?

spice surge
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Why would we

balmy condor
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The best feral patch is still less fun than the worst rogue patch

grim jay
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Based

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Feral dead since they removed claws of shirvalla and didnt add it as a cosmetic option anyways

quiet oar
shrewd night
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Every patch is good for feral because we are cute and get to meow

royal lantern
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you say that, yet i never heared you meow

balmy condor
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Built diffy I guess

shrewd night
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Built diffy by not having 3y extra melee range nerds

royal lantern
strange python
quiet oar
shrewd night
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Yep

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Of course we did

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We are cool like that

quiet oar
shrewd night
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It was just removed from all other specs but baked into catform

quiet oar
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Is it ?

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Isnt that the talent for it?

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Or is this ON TOP ?

steel ridge
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i wouldnt be suprised if blizzard just forgot about feral

grim jay
shrewd night
quiet oar
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oh

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So Feral has its own 3 yds

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plus this

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wtf

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Calling Mr. Blizzard now

shrewd night
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Wdym plus this

quiet oar
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Or did i misunderstood

shrewd night
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You deserve this yellow color now

quiet oar
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I thought you meant Feral has Baselin 3 yds more AND this talent

shrewd night
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Yep, you definitely deserve the yellow color

quiet oar
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Zoomer brain didnt read

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yep yep

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How is this in line with the other melees getting it removed

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but whatever

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rerolling feral now

strong dome
quiet oar
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Gonna ruin Koffings name

strange python
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Our range got cucked

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They baked some spell range into the base spec

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We still lost huge range in aoe

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Don’t let him fool you

quiet oar
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So it was partly a lie

strange python
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Pmuch, the range that got baked into feral you don’t feel for shit

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I still have to stand inside the mobs infront of first boss mists to bite them

quiet oar
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But how, you cant lie on the internet ????

shrewd night
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If you cant feel the difference of 3 yards

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Explain to me why outlaw is unplayable

strange python
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The 3 yards is just on abilities so you still have to be melee it’s very weird

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Idk if you played beta but

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Shit feels horrible

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Pw has no range

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Rampant has no range

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You can’t hit anything if ur not standing on the tank

royal lantern
shrewd night
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Invest in clawextenders

strange python
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I would love to dead

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My cats are still babies so small claws, kinda like feral on beta

shrewd night
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I havent like really tried feral on beta, just did some dummy testing early. But in THEORY, there should be no difference in range between live and beta

quiet oar
strange python
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No you misunderstood

quiet oar
strange python
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Our range did get fucked

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Just like everybody else‘s

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Pw went from 14 to 6 yard

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It feels horrible

shrewd night
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Sorry, had to confer with the

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For a moment there

royal lantern
grim jay
shrewd night
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Where does it say pw is 6 yards

strange python
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It’s 8

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Mb

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Still

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14 to 8 is huge

shrewd night
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How does it become 14 OMEGAKEKWMAN

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I feel like someone is holding a gun to my head and making me recite pi

strange python
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It’s 13

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My math isn’t mathing

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It went from

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13

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To 8

shrewd night
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Ok, bt whats making it 13?

strange python
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Astral influence

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Is making it 8

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It’s 5y on live

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You gain

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Is making it 13***

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Im confusing myself

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So

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Base range is 8

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Astral influence gives it 5more

shrewd night
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Astral influence is 5 in tww

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For non melee shit

strange python
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You are not gaining the talent as feral

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Our modifier makes it 0

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We have form modifiers per spell

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And pw is also considered a melee ability, all our abilities are

shrewd night
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I swear Im mega cooked rn

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I could have sworn

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Like sacrificed my firstborn

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That astral RN ON LIVE is 3

normal mist
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I'd love to actually know how to play feral druid.

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They look cool

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And don't need to worry about tmog

quiet oar
normal mist
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Meow and I'm basically a feral?

spice spire
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Yeah

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Me personally, I bark at @shrewd night and he calls me feral

normal mist
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Where Koffing at, I'm gonna have an interesting conversation with him

shrewd night
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???

normal mist
shrewd night
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Im invisible to royal

spice spire
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Never stop meowing

normal mist
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We must talk cat Koffing

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So they don't understand how much in love we are

shrewd night
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Im talking cat rn to armin and I feel like my brain is goo drooping out of my ears

normal mist
royal lantern
shrewd night
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Like

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Bro is trying to convince me our range is getting nerfed when its receiving no change

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Its just a question, who has smoked the quality za

strange python
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Well it’s easily testable

balmy condor
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red armin or green armin

strange python
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Just log beta

shrewd night
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WDYM ITS EASILY TESTABLE

spice spire
strange python
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It is

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You go beta

shrewd night
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Is our range +5 or +3 rn?

strange python
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You hit dummy

royal lantern
balmy condor
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thought so

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green armin is a havoc alt

royal lantern
strange python
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I’ll check later

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Talent says 5

shrewd night
strange python
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Aura says 3

balmy condor
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koffing about to pop a blood vessel

strange python
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He can’t pop one tho

spice spire
strange python
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We lost our rsnge

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That’s fact

balmy condor
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I just heard it pop

shrewd night
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Its 1->3 for guardian feral

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Its 3->5 for boomie resto

strange python
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Behold

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I found out why I am thinking like that

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Pw is 14 range on live because it’s bugged since forever

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It’s going to base 5 range tho

dark token
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Cats out of sin chat

normal mist
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No

strange python
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Sin is just cat with daggers

normal mist
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Cats cute

dark token
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This chat should be used to discuss the significant changes to rogue in the latest beta build not random class chatter

strange python
shrewd night
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No stop

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My brain

strange python
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This is regular assa channel

shrewd night
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14-8 is six

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THAT MAKES LESS SENSE

strange python
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I just searched for 14y on our discord because I was sure I wasn’t tripping

IMG_7292.png
strange python
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It’s just bugged on retail

shrewd night
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Ok, thank fuck I thought I was going crazy

balmy condor
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just psytrance

shrewd night
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So we agree range hasnt changed at all then

balmy condor
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take weed and vibe

shrewd night
strange python
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What

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It’s going to 5y around your target from 14y around you

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If that’s not a range nerf idk what is

shrewd night
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I swear Ill commit a hate crime

grim jay
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I wonder if someone wont be able to leave here today

balmy condor
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well

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you guys have fun with that

shrewd night
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Has pw been centered around the target

strange python
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Since beta idk the whole spec feels very weird I tried to make myself comfy but I can’t

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Everything is

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Scuffed

shrewd night
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Nonononono

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Wdym since beta

normal mist
royal lantern
grim jay
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I cant even remember which spell Pwimal Waff is

balmy condor
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I took a hit from a weed pen from my guildie at blizzcon for the first time

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and like an hour later

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I was passed out

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in a hotel lobby

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for like a 3 hour nap

normal mist
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A good passed out?

balmy condor
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woke up didn't know where I was

shrewd night
grim jay
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Cant be that bad

balmy condor
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had another guildie sitting with me the whole time

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good lad

grim jay
normal mist
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Those are the bros

balmy condor
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I was zoinked af

grim jay
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And then thought fuck it

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And went drinking with the boys

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I think I managed 3 drinks

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Until I just passed out for an hour

strange python
# shrewd night Wdym since beta

I am logging beta in the evening again to confirm will let you know, but I think what bobble said in the screenshot is true at least it felt like that

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I’ll confirm later tho

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Range I am certain of, the around the target thing I’ll recheck

shrewd night
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Ill log beta too, heading home in like 20

strange python
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Nice

balmy condor
strange python
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Lemme know

royal lantern
balmy condor
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I can't do 3 of anything

shrewd night
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Because if its like you say it is, shits scuffed

grim jay
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(I dont even drink regularly)

balmy condor
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yeh the combo is crazy

grim jay
strange python
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Zaza and drank don’t combine well

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I agree

grim jay
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Only if you drink first ive heard

strange python
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It’s better

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Way better actually

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Still not the greatest combination dead

quiet oar
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Did you guys settled it now

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What range feral has

grim jay
shrewd night
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Pokemons are never wrong

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But Im doing a sanity check when home

strange python
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He’s checking but the range part itself is true

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We went from 14y to the 6y

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The only thing I am not certain of is the „around target“ part

limber lion
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That would work similarly to how Indiscriminate Carnage works for us then

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Would be weird for PW to do that considering it's not a targeted spell like IC

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What is "around target" when there is no target to be had?

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lol

grim jay
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If you have no target

limber lion
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That is the question

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The range surely cannot be "around the target" because PW is not a targeted spell

grim jay
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Imagine it just does the animation

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But no dmg

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Could even happen while playing kekdog

quiet oar
shrewd night
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Regardless if there is a target existing

limber lion
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So not sure what Armin meant by "The only thing I am not certain of is the „around target“ part"

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"It’s going to 5y around your target from 14y around you**"**

shrewd night
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I think he is on crack on many topics here, but Im testing now for certainty

limber lion
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Like it can't be around target because PW does not have a target

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That's just not how the spell works lol

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Probably just on some zaza

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Trippin' balls

shrewd night
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Like, unless he misunderstood the concept from the post he refers to from feral that the tooltip is bugged not the spell itself

image.png
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Thats at least the range on beta

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This is live

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So its somewhat bigger melee range at least

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But not sure if the cat form range is implemented yet

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This is live without astral

strange python
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Yes so how am I on crack it’s legit the range without astral kekdog

limber lion
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But you were talking about the range of the target

shrewd night
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Because the range is planned per blue post to be baked into cat form

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So its perma astral for cat

limber lion
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How does that matter?

strange python
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No it’s not perma astral

strange python
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We are not getting astral range baked in

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You can ask any tc

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We are

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Loosing

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The astral eanfe

limber lion
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Yeah, a non-targeted ability would not work like that lol

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Anyways

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Cat bis, Assa bad

strange python
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Cat always bis

limber lion
shrewd night
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Astral Influence no longer increases the range of melee attacks. We are revisiting increased melee range talents across the game. These talents make the melee experience inconsistent across classes in a way we’re not happy with, so we’re removing most of them. Default melee range has increased since these talents were originally created, allowing specs with increased range to attack from well outside where it appears they should be able to. Cat Form now increases melee attack and ability range by 3 yards, for the moment.

strange python
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That’s besides the point

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I can guarantee you we are loosing astral range, tcs explained it - I’m not big brain enough to understand because many people got the same vibe that we are keeping astral range but we definitely aren’t, just as anybody else

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Cats not the exception

grim jay
spice surge
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Didnt they remove it after that

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Or am i missremembering

quiet oar
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That that was the original change, but they deleted the 3 yds in cat form after

shrewd night
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Ok, that would make more sense

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Guess I missed that memo, Ill have a looksie

quiet oar
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Imagine making fun of rogue 3yds loss, when you lost it yourself ICANT

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Pls dont meow me

shrewd night
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Its ok, Ill just purge 100.000 lines and itll be like it never happened

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@strange python

image.png
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I had the stronger za

balmy condor
quiet oar
quiet oar
shy pecan
strange python
quiet oar
normal mist
balmy condor
shrewd night
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This meme now makes sense KEKW

rotund oak
shrewd night
spice spire
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Damn

shrewd night
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Ah there it is

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Found it

quiet oar
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So

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Koffing the pokemon

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lied on the Internet

shrewd night
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You think someone could ever do such a thing?

spice hawk
quiet oar
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@gusty mirage Code red, someone lied on the internet

shrewd night
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I was young

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And misinformed

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It wont happen again 👼

balmy condor
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bro got rolled by the second armin

shrewd night
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Got rolled

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But learned something

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End result still a W

spice surge
spice spire
quiet oar
spice spire
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Sugma balls lmao

shy pecan
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Gottem

quiet oar
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frfr

spice spire
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Don’t need an egirl, need an ilady fr

quiet oar
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Fun fact

thorn fjord
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gotta watch out for the mind goblin

quiet oar
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I got zerros with the ilady once

quiet oar
thorn fjord
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Candice is def dangerous

quiet oar
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Ye just like joe

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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who the fuck pinged me

spice spire
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Tiramil?

shy pecan
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I can ping you if you want

strange python
balmy condor
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yeah but it's funnier

strange python
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I’ll take one for the team it’s fine

quiet oar
gusty mirage
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talk to the purples dog

strange python
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Coxi

limber lion
gusty mirage
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I've been in this hearing waiting for my motions to be called for 2 hours

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ME ANGY

quiet oar
gusty mirage
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complain to @balmy condor

quiet oar
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I wanted to meme and not making you angry besad

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Im sorry oxi besad

balmy condor
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they're my favorite type of mutes

quiet oar
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Is there a Ranking

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Reasons to Mute

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  1. Conplaints
spice spire
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A tier list even

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Know how much he loves tier lists

quiet oar
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Quake being horny has to be s Tier

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Right

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Outlaws raging too

balmy condor
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is so much easier to code

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I kinda hate that making a tier list is fun

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feels wrong

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like my dad when

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nvm

spice spire
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Man is his own worst enemy

spice spire
spice spire
ashen topaz
balmy condor
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No shot you just asked me for a prepatch trinket tier list

ashen topaz
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lol i thought it was for TWW S1, idk im just bored :C

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sorry for bothering you with my noobyness

grim jay
balmy condor
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Arguably that’s even worse cause tww trinket tuning ain’t great atm

balmy condor
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I will find you

ashen topaz
balmy condor
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I see

grim jay
balmy condor
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TLDR is there’s an on-use from delve only

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That’s basically required

ashen topaz
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sounds fun

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cries¨

spice spire
balmy condor
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And then a bunch of boring ass passives

grim jay
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As fun as sitting at the Barbier at 17 36 still waiting while your appointment was for 17:30

balmy condor
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And then like

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A couple of standard on use damage

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And then there’s one where you gotta either jump 3x or walk to a little circle on the ground

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But that one sucks

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There’s one that gets buffed for each player that has it equipped

grim jay
balmy condor
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But that didn’t seem too great either unless you randomly have like 12 of them

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Basically atm it’s delve trinket for on use stats

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And then some raid passive

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But there’s no shot they don’t nerf the delve trinket or add an alternative or something

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It’s the only decent 2 min stat on use

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Would be Uber cancer

ashen topaz
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or thats only usable inside delves lol

grim jay
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Official Whispyr tier list

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For trinkets

gusty mirage
grim jay
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Are waiting for what

gusty mirage
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his twink tier list

grim jay
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You need to specify, hes in germany

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In germany twinks are alts

ashen topaz
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i am a twink

gusty mirage
grim jay
balmy condor
gusty mirage
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successful lmao

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whispyr you reading this shit

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if I was successful you think I'd shit post in a wow discord all day?

balmy condor
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Yes

grim jay
gusty mirage
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rebuttal: ryfie got a big boy successful lawyer job and quit

grim jay
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Because successful people do what they like to do

gusty mirage
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get dunked on bozos

grim jay
balmy condor
marble hemlock
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You seem pretty damn successful to me then

gusty mirage
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no I will not touch your butt seli

marble hemlock
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didnt ask you to

limber lion
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you guys are so funny xD

marble hemlock
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if i want you to, ill make sure you know it

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ill serve you a limited butt-touching consent form

gusty mirage
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consent deez bud

silk bane
gusty mirage
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rebutting your pointless rebuttal that is even more pointless without proper context: raccoon's mom owns the law firm he works at

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stay in your lane finance boy

silk bane
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god damn racoon catching strays.

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im leaving finance

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coming to corporate law

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lets ge tit

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this shit sucks

gusty mirage
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yeah m&as are SO much better than finance

silk bane
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I have a friend doing m&a although hes on the investment banking side

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he sometimes smiles

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happier than me ig

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stonks

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we get it

gusty mirage
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not him

silk bane
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ooooooh so thats why he wont shutup! its all coming together

silk bane
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ez

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something bla bla bla justice blind bla bla bla

gusty mirage
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I'm good, ty

ocean quiver
gusty mirage
shy pecan
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@gusty mirage ily

midnight mist
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@gusty mirage ily

gusty mirage
shy pecan
dark token
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Um

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What is going on there

median flicker
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||He Jorking the cat||

steel ridge
drowsy lotus
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is there a pin somewhere with aoe opener?

glass hemlock
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Wowhead

opal pike
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
opal pike
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!talent

slate crown
prisma monolithBOT
ripe carbon
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!macro

royal lantern
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not really any macros for assa

glass hemlock
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Just ashes kb dance macro

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And maybe focus kick lol

hoary remnant
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Recommend it

glass hemlock
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I struggle clicking to change targets and spread bleeds of click to war scourge to Shiv the enrage

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Lmfao

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Dunno if I just suck or if it’s cause my abilities are all on my mouse

ripe carbon
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
grim jay
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Mouse over is just pretty popular in pvp aswell

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On many skills

ripe carbon
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on LE's weakarua for kingsbane, i cant see a vanish line on it? did it change or do i have to enable somewhere?

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oh i see where i enable

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i see in settings it says ashes u use on kingsbane, not deathmark?

balmy condor
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yes

ancient tangle
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hi guyz, i don't understand why the Hybrid spec is better for 12+ keys

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better than arterial shock

strange python
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More prio damage, more boss damage

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Also things live your kingsbane

ancient tangle
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ah yes ok

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but does it have significantly less aoe ?

balmy condor
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All the builds do similar damage

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They just shift the damage around

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Arterial -> hybrid -> cleave is more bleed to more kingsbane

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It’s not necessarily less aoe or worse aoe

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It’s just different aoe

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Arterial is recommended at lower levels because bleed damage is more spread out amongst the pack and sudden demise can help recover a lot or normally lost damage from dying targets

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In super high keys, cleave has value because it’s a lot better to burst down a single target with kingsbane

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But that doesn’t work in lower keys because they just die instantly

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Hybrid falls somewhere in the middle

grim jay
ancient tangle
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ok thx a lot Whispyr

ancient tangle
balmy condor
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Carnage helps spread them faster yes

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But I’m talking more conceptually

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You’re bleeding multiple targets

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If you’re playing around caustic, your playing for single target

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Envenom+kb

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So if the target dies early

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Or too quick

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You’re fucked

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Bleeds on 5 targets or whatever just tick and if one dies then whatever

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But if your kingsbane target dies with a cleave build

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You’re out to dry

ancient tangle
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ah yes i understand

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ok thank you 🙂

balmy condor
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np

primal jolt
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ello pumpers

normal mist
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Hello pino

spice spire
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Pumper? I hardly know er

coarse sphinx
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Quick question about assa, I feel like I am running out of energy fairly quickly. Is it fairly common for rogues to be sitting near empty for energy? Or should I try to conserve my energy. By not spamming mutilate or whatever when my opponents are all dotted up?

limber lion
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No you should be getting energy pretty easily

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Do you have poisons on your weapons and do you have Garrote/Rupture on your targets?

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Not having poisons is the most common issue for not having energy

coarse sphinx
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Yes, I do. I guess I should say I'm in PvP. But yes all the enemies are dotted up. I also have slice and dice up aswell.

steel ridge
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#pvp keep in mind that energy generation from gar/rup only works on poisoned targets.

limber lion
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Yeah if your poisons drop on the targets, your energy regen will stop as well

coarse sphinx
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Yeah, usually all my targets are poisoned. But does cleanse or dispell get rid of poisons in PvP?

woeful meteor
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yes

agile locust
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Hi guys, I’m struggling to stay alive in m+ on keys 10 and higher, I know practice improves skill but was just wondering if there is any info out there on when to optimise defensives and improve positioning on trash?

limber lion
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There really isn't anything of that sort, it's just comes from practice. The best advice I can give you is to stay behind mobs and stay as far away as possible

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Here's a sick paint example. The black dots are mobs, red is you. On the left are examples of bad positioning, on the right are examples of good positioning.

Position.png
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A lot of mobs have some sort of cleave mechanics so if you're inside the pack or in front of the mobs, you will get hit and die

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Other than actively interrupting mobs, staying behind the packs at all times and not getting hit by avoidable mechanics, there's not much else that you can do

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Popping cloak and using crimson vial will get you so far, but won't save you every pack

agile locust
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Thank you

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So run in, apply my bleeds and then stay behind or on outer edges

limber lion
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You don't even have to run in to apply the bleeds, you can pretty much hover behind the mobs at all times. It is relatively safe to go in the pack and apply bleeds in the beginning as tank is pulling the mobs because the mobs won't generally start combat with cleaves or things to dodge, they usually just start smacking the tank but very quickly start doing random stuff

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You don't have to be stationary either in a pack of mobs, you can constantly move on the outer edge of the mobs to reapply bleeds and whatnot

iron carbon
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Use WA to anticipate what mobs gonna do

limber lion
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Well, I personally don't use any weakauras or whatnot to anticipate what mobs do, it's a thing that you learn by practice

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And doing the keys over and over

agile locust
iron carbon
agile locust
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My issue is positioning I think

limber lion
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Sure, but it always comes down to practice. If you get hit by the same mechanic twice, you'll learn to dodge it the third time

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Or if you die to something in a dungeon, you'll learn to dodge it the next key

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It's a learning process for everyone :p

iron carbon
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Having wa telling "dodge" when frontal coming -> I know frontal is casting, so I move without thinking

limber lion
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But yeah, as long as you're behind the mobs at all times and pay attention to your character, you should be good

limber lion
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You won't get hit by a frontal, if you're always behind the mobs

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Mobs in this video game do not have abilities that hit behind them, so being behind mobs and as far away as possible is always a safe spot

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There are some abilities that hit in a circle around the mobs, but those are usually very, very clearly indicated

iron carbon
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Yep, but when tank's kiting and you have your main target next to the tank, you sometimes have to be in pack

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But yes, behind pack is the main rule for every melee

agile locust
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Uldaman with incorporeal is hard I find

iron carbon
agile locust
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Same

iron carbon
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And I use a bar that show me the mobs abilities CD

iron carbon
agile locust
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As a rogue

iron carbon
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Indeed, u need to keep you blind for it

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If your mates do not do it

agile locust
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Blind any random ones or any specific?

iron carbon
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Tbh, I blind the incorporeal

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Never tried random blind

agile locust
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Yeah that’s what I mean but a few spawn

balmy condor
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you get one

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the others get the others

iron carbon
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One/two every 45 sec if I remind well, and blind do not apply to a second incorporeal if it was the question

agile locust
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So just blind mine

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Thanks for your help guys

iron carbon
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You're welcome

tough hare
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hey, I see the Wowhead build is going to AP, the left capstone, but most highest rated assa rogue on murlok use the Poison Bomb/DTB path, is there a reason for it ? just preference ?

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Idk how Zoldyck's recipe interacts with Sudden Demise but I guess it is taken into account to determine the 150% HP treshold ?

balmy condor
balmy condor
tough hare
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cheers, that's pretty clear !

balmy condor
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np

feral shuttle
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ignore me

limber lion
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Do note that pre patch is literally coming in 4 days

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So not sure how much you want to invest into current characters

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But yeah you're chilling, no worries

feral shuttle
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Yeah, I'm re-rolling for next tier but wanted to play it a bit to get the playstyle back.

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Not played rogue since BFA.

sick sail
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Unfortunately, not looking forward to getting booted for low dps, and for my own mental state of fun, I think ima roll a hunter boys. Sad state for rogues

marble hemlock
#

bit of a bold statement before any tuning has happened yet

balmy condor
#

double bold that you assume you're that incapable at the game to the point where you'd get kicked

shy pecan
#

Weirdos be weird

sick sail
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I prefer rogue to be polished before anything comes out, I think everyone else does too.

sick sail
runic hinge
#

Assa is gonna play the exact same way and tuning is better than it has ever been in wows history

normal mist
thorn fjord
#

Nah i want rogue to feel like SHIT

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There anything we should be doing during pre patch

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or is it just another waiting room

royal lantern
#

hater energy is something i always respect

thorn fjord
slate crown
#

no more cttc

thorn fjord
#

Can’t tell if you’re memeing or not

slate crown
fringe oxide
#

Will the opener graphic be saved from #tww-assassination or something equivalent or do I better put it away safely?

limber lion
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All guides and whatnot will be updated as the channels get turned off

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The opener graphic is literally just a quick sim done with Raidbots

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So if you quick sim your character, you'll see it for yourself

thorn fjord
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@limber lion you playing tww?

limber lion
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Still keeping the spark alive for a while, also enjoy talking about the spec and the theorycrafting

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But eh not enough interest in the game probably

thorn fjord
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Unfortunate

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Nice having you around tho feelsloveman

limber lion
onyx coyote
slate crown
opal pike
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rotund oak
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it escapes me

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oh that doesnt mean u aint playing now

slate crown
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make someone else test it

rotund oak
slate crown
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make many other people test it*

rotund oak
#

best way to understand something is practice it

slate crown
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and take the average

rotund oak
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still not enough

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thats more like regurgiration of accumulated data

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u dont know how it works

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can surely do that 100% but when it comes on true knowledge,its not there

glass hemlock
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Theoretical scientists would think otherwise

rotund oak
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ye in order for something to become a scientific theory it has to pass testing and check out certain parameters

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not eveyrthing is that simple

slate crown
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Well no those theoretical scientists aren’t the ones necessarily doing the testing personally, is the point. Their theory isn’t sufficient, they will (should) be the first ones to tell you that. But they work with someone else, an experimentalist, to do the testing, and trust their results if the testing is sound. peepoguns

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I trust a theoretical physicist to construct a mathematical model. I do not trust a theorist within 100 yards of an oscilloscope.

grim jay
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yeah those are different things

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just like TCs dont necessarily play at a high level or are the best players on that spec/class

vestal wren
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Playing at the very top of a game is a massive time investment, independent of the game

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so yes, many TC's decide to not do that due to time/effort constraints

grim jay
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might not be the case for the rogue TCs even, but in general

vestal wren
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you have the wrong perception how gaming works

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any game you play, you get experience and improve over time

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so you will always need a lot of time to practice to build muscle memory and expeience

limber lion
grim jay
limber lion
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But there are also some people that can grasp concepts like class rotation and whatnot supet quickly and it takes them less than a few weeks to perform at a top level for the class

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RWF and high end mythic raidinh in the current WoW scene is absolutely degenerate where you need to be playing multiple characters just to stand on equal footing to the rest

grim jay
limber lion
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And after some point you'd rather take the person who does 80 parses on every class but has no job, no studies and 20 hours of game time every day, than the person who parses r1's and has 3 hours a day to play the game.

vestal wren
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ofc there are other factors to it too.

  • How fast you learn is most of the time irrelevant if you spend a lot of time in the game.
  • A lack of certain awareness can now be helped with Weakauras.
  • WoW is luckily a set content and compared to other games slower paced, this reduces mental load a bit.
limber lion
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I'm of that belief that anyone who can compete in a HOF guild and performs well (doesn't die to random mechanics, does mechanics well, outputs good dps) is already on the same level as RWF players, but simply don't have the time or realize the effort that goes into RWF raidinh.

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Or just hasn't found their place in the environment that does that content.

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I know for a fact that I'm never gearing or actively playing 5 characters ever again

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10 Splits every week and mythic+ gearing on alts that you won't even play in the race takes a toll on a person.

vestal wren
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but there are absolute other factors to it.

  • If you have some phsyical or mental deficit, it might mean you will have a hard time.
  • Mentality is important, approaching gameplay to maximize output is different to more casual play.
  • Enjoyment of the game and motivation is a big factor when learning, it is difficult to reflect if you need to force yoruself to play the game.
grim jay
lunar pond
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Unless you’re being paid to do it, it makes no sense. It would need to be IB type money, given the time .

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The time component has greatly increased over the years*

limber lion
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Yeah and currently the only guilds/platforms that pay well enough are Liquid and Echo

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Liquid actually pays their players salaries

limber lion
limber lion
vestal wren
limber lion
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It is absolutely crucial to be a fast learner in a high end mythic environment. If it takes you 10 wipes to the same mechanic to understand what went wrong and how to prevent it, you're doing everyone a big disfavor.

vestal wren
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i agree with you there

limber lion
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And more often than not if a single person fails to stay alive or fails to not wipe the team all the time, ftankly they're being benched or kicked from the guild

vestal wren
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but i think good tools (weakauras, logs, vods) and good game deisgn can make this easy

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e.g. i mentioned this in here, some of the returning dungeons

limber lion
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They definitely help, but people are different and for some they just tunnelvision to one thing and ignore everything else on the screen

vestal wren
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you had to go through vods/logs and only in the combiantion of both you figured out what went wrong

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it is why i usually want good visual design

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if i die to something

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at least make it clear that i got skill issued

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and not that there is a mechanic that is hard to read/understand

limber lion
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Also in an environment where you are forced to play alt characters, you have to be a quick learner to play the new classes/specs well out of the get-go

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If you a raid with 15 alts and no one knows what to do, you're not killing the bosses

vestal wren
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i think you develop that skill by nature of playing the game a lot

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e.g. you test the chars on beta with changes

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usually do some dungeons, maybe raid testing, delves, questing

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it is rarely that you just jump blindly into a new class with no knowlage

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and classes have a lot of transferable knowlage

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(btw. just to be clear, i don't try to downplay anyones skill. People are still impressively good at the game)

gilded oasis
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(especially @spice spire ) (jk)

spice spire
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Rude

gilded oasis
spice spire
potent raven
#

its very time consuming to do that

gusty mirage
sick sail
#

Would be cool to do like a live stream Sunday rogue event, where people join a channel, and all follow you or someone and practice/talk assa rogue rotations, like an hour yoga session almost. Prob not worth it idk, random thought! I get the “just read wow head or watch videos” but something fun and engaging. Worlds too fucked up these days to not get together even virtually

royal lantern
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"breath in and repeat: "keep both bleeds up"

"breath out and think about having both shivs for kingsbane"

normal mist
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Yeah that pretty much sums assa

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and atleast 1 charge of tea for the last 6 seconds of KB

royal lantern
normal mist
#

Oh really?

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1 less button to press lets go

royal lantern
#

tea will be mostly for shiv windows

normal mist
#

(had no idea about tea btw)

royal lantern
#

tea for 6sec of KB was allready really really big minmax shit

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and now worth even less

normal mist
#

So tea now will be for shiv windows only? hmm fair enough

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im hyped to give the NEW ASSA CONTENT (aka the same gameplay but now i have SBS st) a shot!

balmy condor
#

The biggest change for assassination ever

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(You get a couple cp back on rupture from bone spike)

gusty mirage
normal mist
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((i lowkey love sbs, the idea behind the ability))

royal lantern
#

i mean

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isnt it just a rupture buff at this point

normal mist
#

It is now, but i enjoyed the SL SBS

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idk, the queu sound of it was really cool

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the animation too

spice surge
gusty mirage
limber lion
grave osprey
#

Can glory of the legion hero still be completed on live?

balmy condor
#

Isn’t that just mythic dungeon achieves?

raven egret
#

Yeah it should still be in there, search for it in the achivement pane it should show up

grave osprey
#

sick

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ty

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just collecting mogs while the season wraps up 🙂

austere sorrel
#

What's your fav dagger mog?

grave osprey
#

95% of the time im using one of the Assa legion artifact daggers.

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The fact that you stow them on your back makes them S-tier

raven egret
#

i feel they could do a better job at designing daggers, personally

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we mostly get oversized kitchen knives with some glowy bits

grave osprey
#

i agree- which is probably why i always go to the legion ones

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on smaller characters the Kingslayers are almost as big as your character, its comical.

runic hinge
raven egret
#

meanwhile in the next raid, this is a dagger now;

image.png
grave osprey
#

hard pass for me

grim jay
limber lion
midnight mist
#

it is an int dagger tho isnt it

grim jay
#

the pvp daggers are pretty good

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in tww

midnight mist
#

actual dagger is a sword

raven egret
#

Sorry to bear bad news

midnight mist
#

fake

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nice photoshop tho

raven egret
#

XD

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I wish

austere sorrel
limber lion
#

Yeah, dual wield them for many swag points

austere sorrel
#

I don't remember the name of my dagger xmog and I'm at work. But just know, that it looks cool

raven egret
#

When in doubt, night blades

grim jay
proven jasper
#

Purple recolor would go hard

gusty mirage
raven egret
#

When farming, tools;

image.png
gusty mirage
#

farming tools were bis part of DF

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change my mind

raven egret
#

No debate there

raven egret
fresh sphinx
#

Yo guys, how many targets in M+ before we dot them up, FoN and EV while only pressing mutilate to keep up CS?

limber lion
#

Weird question

fresh sphinx
#

is it?

balmy condor
#

dot them up always?

limber lion
#

I mean you dot up everything

balmy condor
#

fok on 3

fresh sphinx
#

I mean yeah

balmy condor
#

ct on 4

limber lion
#

You Fan of Knives for CP all the time on packs

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But yeah you mutilate once every 10s to maintain Spatter

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Otherwise you just FoK spam

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Unless you go full prio on one target

fresh sphinx
#

but I mean wth like 3 targets

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is it not a dps gain to just use mutilate instead of FoK?

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not like you're gaining better cp

balmy condor
#

what

fresh sphinx
#

am i dumb?

balmy condor
#

no

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you fok on 3

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if it isn't a dps gain to fok on 3

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we wouldn't fok on 3

fresh sphinx
#

got it, I'm dumb. fok on 3

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yessir!

limber lion
#

Mutilate 2-4CP

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FoK big cp big dam

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go ham

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boomboom

fresh sphinx
#

so you mutilate until 2-4 cp?

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then FoK after?

#

my mind is gone lol

balmy condor
#

yeah I can tell

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you mutilate on 1-2 targets

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fok on 3+

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only time you mut on 3+ is for caustic

fresh sphinx
#

ok

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thanks Whispyr 🙂

balmy condor
#

np

limber lion
#

Whyspyr :)

raven egret
#

Why Spyr

balmy condor
#

whyamIalivespyr

fresh sphinx
#

😦

#

well I'm glad you're alive

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😄

balmy condor
#

every day I look up to the sky hoping for salvation, thinking there is something above me

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and yet I realize my folly

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staring into the endless abyss

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the only thing holding me down is gravity

fresh sphinx
#

wab the clouds though

keen spruce
gusty mirage
fringe oxide
#

@slate crown I have found this to be the most entertaining message I got of the raid ! Thanks for making the weakauras and enteraining me in these dark hours.

image.png image.png
gusty mirage
flint siren
#

(it was great.)

raven egret
#

The note never said anything about a tank suddenly turning the boss toward you for no apparent reason at the last minute, I feel I was lied to

gusty mirage
#

nah that's included in the last bit

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because bad tanks aren't fun

raven egret
#

poetic, I concede

normal mist
marble hemlock
#

hmm

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doesnt work that well as a sticker

raven egret
#

Forcing me to squint real hard to really feel the pain of back to back parried KBs uh

marble hemlock
#

there

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fuck that boss

fringe oxide
#

Part of the crew!

slate crown
raven egret
balmy condor
marble hemlock
balmy condor
#

I only had 5 sepsis parries on all of sarkareth prog

marble hemlock
#

that was from fated

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hate fucking dogshit bosses that are tanked with voidzones up their ass like sark p2

balmy condor
#

yah well

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sounds like your problem

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for playing fated

slate crown
#

I haven't logged back into live realms in weeks

#

Is there anything I should be like, doing before then?

shy pecan
#

Yeah

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Do nothing

slate crown
#

nice

silk bane
#

forgot the name kekw

slim pebble
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slim pebble
#

I know it doesn't matter becasue its so late in the season, but im raiding for the first time with my new guild next weekend and have bought nothing with bullions. What should I get?

silk bane
#

probably torch and ashes!

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from there probably earnog ring and the rest are w/e get dagger ofc if u dont have max ilvl dagger etc

glass hemlock
#

Is having an aug in your group really that big? I just can’t really understand how getting more stats makes up for missing 400k worth of dps from another spec sort of thing

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I’m confused haha