assassination

[spice spire]

I’m so tired of hot chicken.

[earnest remnant]

yeehaw

[gusty mirage]

Hot chicken fucking sucks

I’ll say it if no one else will

[shy pecan]

Pho can be tough. Good during winter weather but a challenge during warmer temps

[spice spire]

It’s okay In a few places

[earnest remnant]

chinese hotpot

[gusty mirage]

It’s so mid bro

[earnest remnant]

during 34degrees weather

[spice spire]

If anyone tells you Hattie B’s is good back hand them though

[earnest remnant]

is BIS

[gusty mirage]

It’s one of those things that’d be so much better if it wasn’t hyped up beyond belief I think

[shy pecan]

Hotpot always good

[spice spire]

Because it’s the worst of them all

[vestal wren]

last pho i had wasn't a banger

[spice spire]

Yeah

[shy pecan]

Kbbq always good too

[spice spire]

Every pho I have had hit

[earnest remnant]

well atleast it will make you feel hot

[spice spire]

I’ve also never had real ramen

[gusty mirage]

Like it got hyped so hard when I finally tried Nashville hot chicken I was like ok???

[earnest remnant]

its overhyped

dw

[spice spire]

It’s literally just fried chicken that’s cooked in the oil + spices

[gusty mirage]

I’ve had real ramen, it’s aight

[shy pecan]

The key is finding a pho place that only makes pho

[spice spire]

It’s not supposed to be a messiah bit

[gusty mirage]

Pho slaps tho

[spice spire]

It’s just different

Yeah pho has hit every time

Big poke guy, but that’s mostly Hawaiian iirc

[vestal wren]

a good pho or ramen is rly good

[gusty mirage]

Ye the ramen was good, but ig I’m just picky

[shy pecan]

If they make all sorts of dishes, it can be hit or miss because the broth might be meh

[gusty mirage]

I’ve only had pho twice and both times it was duck

I ate shmeeps

And he was delicious

[spice spire]

Bro I love duck tho hi key

[shy pecan]

Crispy duck

[spice spire]

Yeah Thai basil duck

🥜

[gusty mirage]

Yo I learned Germans call grapefruit pampelmuse

And that changed my life

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

Because pampelmuse is so much better of a name than grapefruit

[shy pecan]

Truth

[woeful meteor]

thai basil anything

[spice spire]

REAL

But duck is so damn good

[shy pecan]

Man, I’m hungry now…

[spice surge]

Duck very good

[gusty mirage]

@marble hemlock would you eat pampelmuse with me?

[earnest remnant]

flicky flicky willy donker

[spice spire]

?

[gusty mirage]

I know @verbal mantle would eat pamplemousse with me

[gusty mirage]

You peasant Americans call it a light switch

Official name is Flicky Flicky Willy Donker

[spice surge]

#1203397195588435999 message

[spice spire]

I need to post in there more

[woeful meteor]

pomelo is pampelmuse, but those are as pomelo in most stores as well

[spice surge]

Pomelo is so good

[gusty mirage]

Also a better name than grapefruit

[woeful meteor]

citrus fruits in general are so good

[gusty mirage]

Is pineapple a citrus

[clever sapphire]

such a german t hing to do, we just call it grapefruit in austria

[gusty mirage]

PAMPELMUSE

[spice spire]

It’s a composite?

[gusty mirage]

just try screaming it

[gusty mirage]

Idk

Apparently it shares like every characteristic with citrus fruits

But like it isn’t

[spice spire]

No I mean I googled and that’s what it said

Because I didn’t know

[shy pecan]

I know it’s pamplemousse in French because we’d say it all the time during class

[marble hemlock]

ye

[earnest remnant]

ANNANAS

[rotund oak]

Coming Germany this octoberfest

unless ofc there is a WW3 then ill cancel it

we gonna eat bratwurst and drink beer

[vestal wren]

tomato is paradeiser in german but germans won't understand

[rotund oak]

idk man,i basicly live from greek salad and watermelon this summer

so much tomato in the salad

[royal lantern]

thats not germany

[rotund oak]

its in munich

isnt that in gemrany

[royal lantern]

Bavaria is its own hellhole

and we should build a wall around it

[rotund oak]

oh lol

😂

[royal lantern]

to keep the crazy people away from the rest

[rotund oak]

🤣

''ya?''

[shy pecan]

[rotund oak]

''ya wol''

[verbal mantle]

I definetly would

[royal lantern]

?????

its grapefruit lol

who told you that

[gusty mirage]

Literally online dictionaries tf you mean

[royal lantern]

mate

i legit had to google what thats supposed to be

[balmy condor]

???????

[royal lantern]

and then thought "oh, ye i thought my grandma said that once 15 years ago"

legit never heared somebody call grapefruits that

[balmy condor]

???????

[gusty mirage]

Mfers don’t even know their own language

[royal lantern]

its just grapefruit

[balmy condor]

???????????

[normal mist]

... germans

[balmy condor]

grapefruit isn't a german word

tf

[spice spire]

German civil war damn

[normal mist]

Let me go grab popcorn

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

pampelmuse is the only way I've ever heard it

[shy pecan]

You beat me to it

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

I’m sitting here getting shamed for trying to learn about German culture

[vestal wren]

we say grapefruit in austria but i know pumpelmuse

[vestal wren]

^ not sure non austrian know this one tho

[royal lantern]

not shamed

im just confused af

[normal mist]

So many letters to say "Toranja"

[royal lantern]

cus like, im in the deepest rural hellhole in the world

and never heared somebody call them Pampelmuse

[shy pecan]

Could be a paradigm thing?

[gusty mirage]

Pampelmuse and Pamplemousse come from the Dutch “pompelmoes” for their accidental cross breeding of a sweet orange and a pomelo

[royal lantern]

and im in the are with the 3rd worst accent in the country

[normal mist]

exactly

[gusty mirage]

Holy fuck I’m learning so much

What a great day

[royal lantern]

education pog

[normal mist]

Education, in this channel, just another tuesday

[gusty mirage]

Wait a second

[royal lantern]

"accidental cross breeding" sounds a bit weird btw

[gusty mirage]

It’s not tuesday

[gusty mirage]

Lots of plants get accidentally crossbred

[normal mist]

Then be glad we are taking our BUSY time to teach stuff!

[gusty mirage]

Apples are the most notorious

[shy pecan]

It’s like the word snow. Some parts of the world, there’s just “snow”. Other parts of the world, there’s like 20 variations of the word

[gusty mirage]

That’s why there’s like 300 dif kinds of apples

[normal mist]

because they are indeed different

"Royal gala" apple is my fav

[shy pecan]

I wonder why…

[gusty mirage]

I’ve never had a royal gala, but regular gala apples slap

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

So royal gala must double slap

[royal lantern]

does that count as canibalism?

[normal mist]

LOL

I JUST REALIZED THAT

[gusty mirage]

We don’t have proof that Royal isn’t an apple

People say Apples can’t type but I’m typing on my Apple iPhone right now

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[royal lantern]

make sure your windows are locked tonight oxi

i think Big Apple is comming for you

[gusty mirage]

Am I going to be boeing whistleblowered?

[normal mist]

Actually after some research i realized Royal Gala isnt my favourite, Green apples are

[gusty mirage]

Suicide by gunshot to the back of my head?

[gusty mirage]

Granny Smiths do slap

Very good apple

[normal mist]

Those are the expensive ones

[gusty mirage]

Red delicious are dogshit

[normal mist]

i worked in retail ._.

[gusty mirage]

Like why are you false advertising with your name

[normal mist]

LOL

[royal lantern]

yes

while tied to a chair and on the bottom of a pool

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

and fingercaps removed

[gusty mirage]

I love swimming

[normal mist]

best fruit during summer

extremely sweet

Like oxi actually

[spice surge]

Galia melons are better

[normal mist]

Wait isnt that a galia melon? i was baited by the image

[haughty flicker]

isnt the thing that looks like a cantaloupe

and is labeled a cantaloupe

a galia melon

(idk what a galia melon is)

[normal mist]

looked the same to me

[spice surge]

Canteloups are orange on the inside though

Unless its like a EU vs NA labelling difference or something

[shy pecan]

That’s just a melon for us?

[haughty flicker]

its apparently a hybrid between cantaloupe and honeydew

which does sound delicious

[shy pecan]

Ah

[strange python]

This a honey melon in Austria

And the orange one

Is a sugar melon

If you translate it word by word

Makes me think why is the orange one not honey and this one sugar, would make more sense

[gusty mirage]

That’s just a honeydew

[normal mist]

Stop it with the weird names D:

[rotund oak]

eating peaches right now

literally on my second

[strange python]

I like eating peaches

[proven jasper]

Peaches are bis

[rotund oak]

got two trees on my backyard yo

next to my planted watermelons

[royal lantern]

ayo

gardener

[rotund oak]

its a hobby,i like cooking as well

life in a village is relaxing

[haughty flicker]

Mf lives in stardew valley

[royal lantern]

omw eating some mayo raw

[gilded oasis]

eggs?

[shy pecan]

Eww, mayo...

[grim jay]

you gotta have your ketchup ready for a snack whereever you go

https://tenor.com/view/drink-alcohol-cheers-tipsy-lol-gif-9783951

[next dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor dis u?

[gusty mirage]

Oh augvoker is oppressively good again

What a shocker

[royal lantern]

but blizz said they hit the mark with it

and thats its not oppresive

[balmy condor]

yeah?

[haughty flicker]

Where did you find 3 shamans willing to play it

[gusty mirage]

They got buffed by 30%

Wdym

[keen spruce]

I just saw random screenshot in my guild disc, wasn't sure where it came from. go about your business

[balmy condor]

james is a shaman one trick in oe I think, wordup is the enh guide writer, and hex is a shaman content creator I believe

[spice spire]

This is Blud retired

Nah

[grim jay]

It certainly hits a mark

[severe sparrow]

i unironically liked ketchup enough as a child that i would eat it with celery just so i could have a mostly unflavored ketchup vessel

[feral mason]

Making aug do damage on top of giving them a tier set that grants even more stats

truly a great idea

[green badge]

Hey dumb question. We take the Seal of Diruna ring, but what fire damage do we do?

[keen spruce]

helm enchant

[green badge]

ahhh duh

Thanks!

[ashen oriole]

this sim #assassination message is still running

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[balmy condor]

yeah that'll happen

MDT gem sim right?

[ashen oriole]

yep

[balmy condor]

6am start, now it's 3pm, that's like a 9 hour sim

frankly kinda surprised you're already as far as you are

[ashen oriole]

we're now at 49% or 192 of 390 combinations

this will be the biggest sim ive ever done

it better be good

[storm forum]

If it's more than margin of error I'm going to be surprised

[keen spruce]

it's always within margin

[tacit charm]

Wtffff

[sudden vale]

Hey there, new to Assassination and trying to make sure I understand how to use Kingsbane. After reading a few guides, does this look right to you experts?

1. Shiv
2. Deathmark (every other time)
3. Kingsbane
4. Shadow Dance
5. Garrote

• Reapply Shiv when first one expires
• Use Thistle Tea at < 6 seconds
• Vanish at < 3 seconds
• Garrote

[balmy condor]

no

the dance has to be before the kings

[sudden vale]

Hey it's Whispyr! Hiya!

[balmy condor]

casting kingsbane during dance gives the nightstalker buff onto the kingsbane

so it's gotta be in that window

otherwise yes looks good

just spam envenom during those shivs

and gg

use ashes with the kingsbane, add it to the macro

hiya

[sudden vale]

Ok cool so just swap 3 and 4?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[glass hemlock]

is the playstyle for DTB build vs Arterial different?

[sudden vale]

Oh I didn't even think of macros. Does any of this macro together easily?

[balmy condor]

ideally would also deathmark->shiv->macro

instead of shiv->deathmark->macro

but like

it's whatever

I wouldn't sweat it

[balmy condor]

yeh there's 2 standard macros, deathmark+potion and dance+kingsbane

[sudden vale]

Awesome! I'm assuming they're in the wowhead guide and I didn't get there yet.

[balmy condor]

ashes can go into either one, ideally the dance/kingsbane macro, but some people prefer adding it to the deathmark macro for m+ and to avoid desyncing

[balmy condor]

yeah there's a macro page somewhere in that 95 page dissertation

[sudden vale]

Gonna have to out myself as noob: what's ashes?

[balmy condor]

trinket

from uh

smold?

in amirdrassil

it's the standard 2 min on use

[sudden vale]

ahhhh ok cool. Learning on Remix so didn't come across it

Thanks for this! Just the info I needed. Cheers!

[balmy condor]

np

[glass hemlock]

any quick rundowns on the diff between DTB and arterial build?

obviously garrote doesn't spread from stealth etc...

[balmy condor]

link the two builds

screenshots

whatever works

[glass hemlock]

yup 2 secs

taken direct from wowhead

[balmy condor]

that first one is a raid build for single target, the second is a bleed heavy m+ build

[glass hemlock]

perf thats what i thought

[balmy condor]

main diff is just kinda where the damage is coming from

[glass hemlock]

whats the DTB build for m+ high keys then?

[balmy condor]

the first is heavy kingsbane and stuff

[balmy condor]

there's two, the main one people play is https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythicplus-build-cleave

it's basically just the raid build, but you take carnage and caustic

[glass hemlock]

oooh that makes sense!

[balmy condor]

which are the two bigger aoe talents

and then you spread bleeds through carnage

and caustic does the work otherwise

reason it only works in the big keys though is you're relying heavily on the burst from kingsbane to spatter

if your kingsbane can't crank, you don't get big caustic spatter, which means your aoe just goes down the drain

and you're stuck just envenoming

and in the vast majority of keys, mainly under like 15/16

if you deathmark->kingsbane something

it's dead in under 10 seconds

so you lose out on the most valuable part of your burst, the end of the kingsbane

this build tries to meet the bleed and the single target one in the middle somewhere

you still get big bleeds and crimson tempest and all that

lose a bit of single target

but you also still maintain big envenoms

so it's like a middle ground

it's the least popular of the 3 though

playstyle wise they're all pretty much identical rotationally

it's just shifting power in and out of certain things to try and match the key level

anything with dtb will be heavy on kingsbane

[glass hemlock]

that is an absolutely perfect explanation of that

[balmy condor]

anything with sudden demise/scent will want more bleed damage

crimson tempest is an aoe bleed, cranks, but people skip it to try and squeeze more single target, etc

[glass hemlock]

ah okay i see

i will stick to the arterial/carnage build and just swap into raid if i do lfr or something. not a big raider!

except to get the dang bullions

[sudden vale]

Quick followup for Kingsbane. How long would you hold it in a fight? Like would you hold it 50 seconds for a burst window in a fight?

[glass hemlock]

Also… what’s the cap for bullion amounts?

[shy pecan]

10 atm if you didn't do either of the weeklies

[runic hinge]

You wouldn’t hold kb I don’t think. You might hold dm for 1 minute to line up with your next kb if it’s in execute

Most fights are just send on cd

[glass hemlock]

Thanks mate

LFR just stitching me up then

I mean idk what I’ll get but still 😂 cloak or an offhand… I don’t think Ouro neck is good cause it’s Vers

[somber girder]

anyone got vial/healthstone/healthpot macro

[distant hinge]

#showtooltip
/use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
/use Fleeting Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
etc etc etc

[ashen oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-coringa-gjirlfriend-gif-25054934

[balmy condor]

yeh

checks out

[potent raven]

LOL

[serene solar]

I’ve seen some people in logs and stuff not using these together. They are holding ashes for like 4-5 gcds after KB then using ashes. Is this just wrong or a small min max?

[balmy condor]

neither

it's a min-max from 5 months ago that's no longer relevant

[serene solar]

I was wondering if it was just old habit from something but I just started playing assa more seriously like a month ago so I don’t fully know what people used to do. Makes sense. Thanks. What made it no longer relevant?

[balmy condor]

kingsbane got a nerf

[serene solar]

Appreciate you explaining. Thank ya

[balmy condor]

np

[ashen oriole]

id like to know more details about why its no longer relevant if you have the time to explain it to me 😄

[balmy condor]

ashes ramps down over time, delaying means it's a bigger buff for the end of kingsbane, nerf kingsbane and the trinket window is comparatively more deathmark/envenom damage than before, more uptime on the trinket during deathmark is better because of that, so you push the trinket closer to deathmark by a couple seconds, that new sweet spot being casting it with kingsbane, because kingsbane is still the biggest part of the burst and lining it up is good

[serene solar]

Can I ask you one more dumb question. In a basic st fight, when do you cast your first tea. Is it at the last 6 seconds of KB or is it before shadow/kb and then again at 6 seconds of KB. Or does kill time and stuff matter with this. Maybe I’m overthinking or missing something and I’m just dumb.

[balmy condor]

last 6 of kb

[serene solar]

Alright thank you.

[primal jolt]

buff 😳

[grim jay]

Feverdream?

[primal jolt]

no

if blizzard thinks rogue deserves buff then it does!

its their choice

they know whats the best for the game

[ashen oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/im-still-feeling-skeptical-saturday-night-live-snl-weekend-update-suspicious-doubtful-gif-19746510

[glass hemlock]

Do you guys use a PI weak aura to tell you when you have it?

[pseudo hamlet]

Nah, I just believe in my priest

[glass hemlock]

swear i just had the same sp in 4 dungeons use it on himself

[pseudo hamlet]

I mean, there's probably no reason to have it

[glass hemlock]

except for first dungeon i got 2 x whispers saying "25% haste buff on you!"

[pseudo hamlet]

should've asked him I guess 😛

[glass hemlock]

oooh

does PI show in logs?

it does!

he didn't PI me for 4 dungeons in a row LOL

and i was 10k behind

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[grim jay]

I just look at my haste

Or see if my kb did doodoo

#assassination message

Btw

[pseudo hamlet]

people trolling like always

I am always asking before, because most of the time they indeed PI themselves only lol

[grim jay]

I dont think its trolling if they are just bad

[glass hemlock]

yeah not super fussed i just thought my dps was higher because i was getting Pi

feels real good to know i was just pumping

They were low keys to farm crests anyway hahaha

Was cool cause my first time looking at logs though, not that I know what I’m looking at hahahaha

[royal lantern]

mate, im honest

if i was a priest, and im doing keys and nobody says a word, i would just go "fuck it, cba with that shit" aswell

[grim jay]

Nah I'd atleast PI the Tank

[royal lantern]

remember when you could Pi hunter/warlock pets

"pi me!"

GOTCHA HUNTER

YOUR PET IS DOING DMG RIGHT???? YOU ARE BM

[grim jay]

Thats actually glorious

[blissful cosmos]

how come my sims wants me to put haste and mastery for my crafted neck

is haste good for us?

[pure moth]

Yes

[nimble zinc]

yeah a guidlie sent me one that plays a trumpet like "honk honk" sound when i get it

[nimble zinc]

https://wago.io/aoeHwl9Hc

[pseudo hamlet]

It's awesome. That's the reason why Wafting and haste runes are currently simming highest I guess

But Assa is a spec that likes every stat, just needs to find a good balance 😄

[grave osprey]

Anytime i get PI’d its usually AFTER i use my CDs. Its honestly pretty funny how often that happens.

[somber sparrow]

the good priests will have a way to know when you use your 2 minute cooldown and then apply it. other priests just press it at the start, or when they remember they have PI

[grave osprey]

Facts. I only really ever rely on a solid PI at the start of an encounter. After that, its anyones guess. 😆

[slate crown]

I have a TTS one that says Power Infusion with TTS, and also says the name of the priest that cast it so I know in pug raids who likes me

Sometimes it krangles the pronunciation of the unit name but that's fine it's funny

[pseudo hamlet]

The final item I needed for the full bis gear 😄

[onyx rampart]

I use this one for all externals, very handy: https://wago.io/-jC2P_4gF

[vestal wren]

congrats

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks! 374k simming in ST(no PI), literally zero upgrades left

[onyx crane]

been a bit out of the loop as assa, playing ret, chasing that legendary

the toxic boots ain't good no more?

[pseudo hamlet]

Double mastery is more versatile and slightly better I think

[nimble zinc]

Same bruh like I get it on pull and then after my CDs

So I start off at like 860k on Igiria and then drop down to like 300k 😦

[iron carbon]

Just ask the priest to delay 20 seconds

Specially in raid, that's not easy to track offensives 😛

[grave osprey]

Luckily in about a month we will be free from PI prison 🥰

[spice surge]

Theres weakauras that send a whisper once you press a spell (deathmark)

[vestal wren]

i saw people with weakauras - /yell thanks for PI bro every time they got pi

[clever sapphire]

god damn met the most toxic outlaw just now

[royal lantern]

brb, using that every 2min on a spec that is bad with PI when there is a priest in the group

watching the shitstorm that happens when the big bar chasers see it and go balistic how its bad

[grave osprey]

You mean this is your first time?

[clever sapphire]

i mean i joined and he straight up said "nah dat trash in part, gl"

and left

hmm maybe he meant the tank

pog deplete, warlock used portal to skip the last 2 adds on uldaman, pulled them, pala tank forgot how to battleres so we had to run back, they body pulled even more shit and we had no time anymore

[proven jasper]

How tf u pull them with portal skip

[clever sapphire]

i dunno

[proven jasper]

[somber girder]

Pet?

[clever sapphire]

ask the warlock

nah it was legit a body pull

[proven jasper]

thats wack

[clever sapphire]

yap

well it was just a 13 uldaman, shit happens

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[candid anvil]

Hey guys, question about sudden demise, is it worth refreshing dots when the mobs will die in next 5-10 seconds or using cp for envenom would be better gain?

[balmy condor]

envenom, sudden demise is 150%

so you inherently lose value

[dark token]

I think it's worth for CT on aoe if you have like 4 sec left on existing dot and they are low HP to refresh

Rupture and garrote no

Its def more dmg than an envenom

[rotund oak]

if u are looking for more overalls CT probably,if u are looking for prio envenom

(most likely)

[rotund oak]

ct is 100% more dmg than an envenom no question about it

[dark token]

It depends their hp threshold

[rotund oak]

if its about to SD

kinda doubt the hp threshold means alot though

its just more dmg

[dark token]

Like if they are 1% hp and you have 1 sec of CT its not worth because ur gonna overcap their remaining hp with the bleed

The bleed could do max 1.5% max HP in this case

[rotund oak]

well ye that for sure

[candid anvil]

Im checking my numbers and rupture says 280k in 28s, envenom 67k, even considering you only get 2/3 (66,6%) of rupture damage, it seems to be hella more

[rotund oak]

envenom is upfront dmg though,rupture is overtime

[dark token]

Envenom also procs tier set cleave to everything else and spatter

[rotund oak]

in 28sec u can most likely throw like

idk

4-5 envenoms

or something like that

[candid anvil]

Considering sudden demise, thats why I count the 150% treshhold as 2/3dmg from rupture (hope my math is mathing)

[rotund oak]

well i wouldnt rly get anxious

but if u wanna get the absolute dmg out of it a rule of 4-5sec to reapply ct should be enough

its as soviet said

[candid anvil]

Imagine the mob is casting aoe spell and you hope to kill it with last gcd, rupture would be better in that case than envenom (?)

[gusty mirage]

instructions unclear, now I'm anxious and have to poop

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but i ate alot of watermelon

[gusty mirage]

that's very relevant

and I'm jealous

[rotund oak]

its the 3rd time ive went to the bathroom

😅

[dark token]

Its confusing wording for sure. If they have 100k HP and ur rupture has 150k on it they will bleed out so yes you only do 66% of ur bleed best case

But if they have less HP than ur bleed, let's say 50k HP left and you refresh for 150k they will only take 1/3rd your rupture

So I would only refresh on mobs that are low but not about to die (in a low key)

[candid anvil]

Yeah counting with remaining ticks and set bonus envenom might be better

[dark token]

Single target its not worth generally

Ct is worth

[candid anvil]

It seems like I shouldnt really worry about it, not very significant difference either way

[dark token]

I like to CT at low HP for overall dmg and because Thanos snapping mobs is fun

[rotund oak]

cheesin the meters

[spice surge]

Is that reading tooltips

Because tooltips arent correct

[rotund oak]

interesting

[candid anvil]

Lmao I've been playing zoldyck recipe and sudden demise and sometimes I get 5M execute in keys 😄 feels like thanos snapping rly

[spice surge]

And often dont count certain talents or buffs

[candid anvil]

Oh okay, that sucks

[spice surge]

Also the math doesnt include the 4p, poison bomb, spatter or the fact that if you already have rupture up you dont get anywhere near that much from rupture

[royal lantern]

"dont trust tooltips" is the #6 rules of WoW

[rotund oak]

do we know what tooltips dont count correctly stuff

[spice surge]

I have no idea, but its missing stuff frequently enough that its not worth relying on them

[candid anvil]

I guess we arent counting 30% bleed buff from sanguine blades into said executes either

[rotund oak]

i think i can test that on a dummy but i need to record the time im pressing cds n stuff

[candid anvil]

Its getting a bit too complicated I give up

[spice surge]

Well neither does demise (for sanguine)

[rotund oak]

but thats very interesting

[thorn fjord]

I cant count to 20 without being barefoot

[shy pecan]

You can go to 20?

[thorn fjord]

Never thought of it that way

[hexed frost]

Any strats for the brackenhide totem and azure vault last boss crystals?

Non-IC garrotes and rapture suck big time

[balmy condor]

tell your group to do more damage

[proven jasper]

Totem is a grieftorch angle and last boss av you just want to spatter ur little heart out

[hexed frost]

Low energy becoz only one set of bleeds out

[proven jasper]

Pool brother

[hexed frost]

Hmmm

[proven jasper]

Time damage around the crystals

[hexed frost]

Auto attack supremacy

[proven jasper]

👍

[shy pecan]

Yeah, might need to pool before they go out

If you really need to do it

[balmy condor]

should always be pooling when you need burst

core rotational gameplay

[proven jasper]

[hexed frost]

How energy is good enough for the "pool"

[balmy condor]

80%ish

[proven jasper]

U wanna aim for 80%

Ya

[hexed frost]

[proven jasper]

Hit 80% and just chain env during that phase or use cds whatever

[clever sapphire]

av you use cooldowns when the crystals pop

you dont use cooldowns other than that

[nimble zinc]

AV crystals i always hard swap to the one with a shield since it PUMPS dmg

reapply all bleeds, aoe if theyre close enough

honestly helps if your other dps are ranged cuz they can target them quicker

[clever sapphire]

usually its enough to just spatter off boss with cooldown

[slate crown]

Does spatter reliably hit them all? I haven't done it much but I remember them kind of being spread out

Boss hitbox is big tho so maybe

[clever sapphire]

from my experience it hits the main one almost every time aslong as the tank just doesnt move the boss

or if he also goes on the red crystal

which is usually the case

i also spread garrote/rupture onto the crystals with dance

[blissful cosmos]

in keys do we really need to spread garrotes outside of cooldowns in aoe i know we want atleast 4 ruptures out

[balmy condor]

you don't have to spread the non-stealth garrotes generally unless you're super starved for energy

[sick sail]

Excited for assassination in war within boys!

[nimble zinc]

I’m not

But your name is making me want a gyro 🥙

[sick sail]

haha! it makes the women want other things ❤️

but yea been messing around with ww monk in case all 3 rogue specs just tank.........

[nimble zinc]

ww is the only stonk monk spec in TWW,

i'm really disappointed with whats happening to mw and brew

[sick sail]

lvling a ww now so i can mog run alrdy, but hoping rogue just keeps getting better

[dark token]

I need rogue to stop getting buffed

So I can reroll monk without my guild putting me in rogue prison

[storm forum]

I called rerolling to Shadow before alpha was even out. Gotta stake your claim early.

[runic hinge]

I'm torn

Shadow is very visually appealing but rogue feels better to play

[storm forum]

Normally I'd say "I'll see how they both play in prepatch" but I'm locked in now. I'll probably level both though (speed-run priest with guild and rogue over a week or two to read quests).

[robust jasper]

Do you ambush during dance or only when blindside procs?

[balmy condor]

blindside

[robust jasper]

kk figured

is there a reason in the guide it says to ambush in the opener?

after garrote?

[balmy condor]

you're in subterfuge

most people got ambush on their stealth bar

you can mut it if you want to it's super whatever

[robust jasper]

yeah but if you put it on your stealthbar then youre using it during dance too

so is the main reason to use it during dance just to keep caustic splatter up?

but in the opener you dont have rupture yet so might as well use ambush

guess that makes sense

[balmy condor]

no it's just some insanely minimal gain to mutilate during kingsbane

cause double poison hits

but like

[robust jasper]

aaaaaaah

[balmy condor]

who cares

[robust jasper]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

mut and ambush both apply caustic

[robust jasper]

oh

weird tooltip just says mut

[balmy condor]

yeh

[robust jasper]

or is it only blindside ambushes that apply it

[balmy condor]

tooltips in world of warcraft

xddddddddd

[slate crown]

yoooo caustic ambush tooltip convo throwback

[balmy condor]

it's any ambush

its just tooltips in wow being dogshit as per usual

[robust jasper]

classic

[runic hinge]

No, retail

[balmy condor]

shotgunning a monster just to feel something

[slate crown]

did it work?

[balmy condor]

no

still hollow

[slate crown]

[dark token]

6 am is it time to shotgun monster and pull an all nighter

Or sleep to 2pm

[soft shale]

time to reset sleep like a good boi

[spice spire]

Can u hear color

[balmy condor]

I can see the ocean

from inside my house

[spice spire]

Yeah I guess I bust every time I’m near u too

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

dog?

[sharp trellis]

Hi guyz , i aim for medium to high keys content m+ and i wish to play with acrobatic strikes ... i feel like i am missing auto on mobs during cd sometimes due to bad placement . do you think it's relevant?

[balmy condor]

skill issue

probably doesn't matter as long as you're autoing during kingsbane tbh

[sharp trellis]

I agree with this point ofc but would you recommend keeping Thistle Tea and Vigor over Lethality + Acrobatic Strikes if i feel i may be more confortable playing with it ? or the difference between those 3 points are too big and it's not recommended still

[balmy condor]

if you drop anything for acro and lethality you would drop deeper strat

[sharp trellis]

so you don't recommend. i think my issue is that i am too focus on best timing with weakaura for kingblade and if auto doesn't reach i may not see it properly

sometimes mobs are packed . may be a plate info issue as well, i still play with wow vanilla one

any recommendation on a good profile plater ?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

there's some here

can just scroll through wago if you want as well

there's plenty

[sharp trellis]

ok ty

[tropic zodiac]

Btw @balmy condor I think your plater profile can't be copied anymore ? Yesterday when I clicked copy it only gave me a "z"

Maybe it's a me problem

[slate crown]

The more looming issue is that acro is going away in a couple of months. Whatever valid arguments there are for sacrificing your damage for comfort (and I think it’s not bad to make that decision for yourself), Acro is being remove next expansion anyways so it’s best to get used to not having it now anyways.

[tawny pawn]

Yo guys just doing some keys before TWW comes, i tried and learned assa, and after switching to outlaw i feel like outlaw performs so much worse, and is so much more work, is this just me?

[gusty mirage]

like on TWW beta?

[tawny pawn]

nono

[gusty mirage]

because outlaw smashes keys rn on retail

[tawny pawn]

yeah but every log i see outlaw dmg is poopoo

and assa is poggers

[gusty mirage]

depends on the key level I suppose, outlaw doesn't really have burst so if you're in a key with classes with big burst you won't have time to actually do big damage

[tawny pawn]

also it feels like you skip more phases as assa on bosses cause of the burst

Oh yeah i think that outlaw when it comes to comfort does feel better

on assa you want one big guy in everypacks so you can cleave more

[gusty mirage]

ye

and if the key isn't high enough you're just sad

cause everything just deletes

[tawny pawn]

ye

also chain pools feels sadge

[pulsar apex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[pulsar apex]

Heya. from the guide it seems that snapshotting garrote is much more important than snapshotting rupture

any reasons as to why rupture not as important?

[grim jay]

well you get the stealth benefit for garrote aswell from for example improved garrote

you would only get the NS benefit for rupture and that competes with envenom aswell

as that does get an increase through NS and works better with MA

[marble hemlock]

Snapshotting is only valuable if the damage modifiers you snapshot are high enough to justify not maximizing uptime/using other skills instead. For Rupture that's not the case, because the only stealth-modifier we have for it is Nightstalker, whereas garrote has multiple others (that offer a much higher percent damage increase).

[pulsar apex]

Aha very clear. Ty for replies

[pulsar apex]

Any way to enable snapshotting highlight on Zac's WA?

[slate crown]

You can't really enable/disable snapshotting unless the WA itself supports it. Snapshot tracking is not a baseline WA option, it has to be custom supported. So, if there isn't a custom option in it to support snapshot tracking, then no.

All of the above packs have a snapshot tracker. I'm unfamiliar with Zac's pack. If you want a standalone garrote tracker, you can look in my profile from the above #assassination message, there's a Standalone garrote aura which you can add into Zac's pack if you like.

[pulsar apex]

ty. yeah im using Luxthos which supports it

would pref to be using Zacs

[shy pecan]

Yeah, then just use his and can just grab LE's garrote tracker if you want that empowered tracking and replace his garrote tracker

[pulsar apex]

ty will check it out

oh the one an the same LE from the Kingsbane bar

[slate crown]

[runic hinge]

who could it be

[robust jasper]

is there any way that yall track if a garrote is an empowered one or not? I dont know how I would even make a wa to be able to tell if the garrote present on an enemy is a stealth empowered one or not

[shy pecan]

Scroll up a bit, there’s a discussion about it

[grave osprey]

why exactly do people prefer the hybrid build over the Arterial shock build, more cleave dmg?

[shy pecan]

More ST damage on bosses and bigger adds. Can give more cleave too if the add survives your CDs, yeah

[quiet forge]

as someone who plays both outlaw and assa, would you go as outlaw or assa in Fortified week?

i feel like assa depends on going into stealth between packs and packs staying up longer doesnt help

[gilded oasis]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[odd nebula]

do we spam crimson tempest in aoe? or maintain the dot and dump ruptures on different targets?

[proven jasper]

u dont spam it, theres no instant damage anymore

just maintain

[nimble zinc]

i've never played outlaw, but as assa I always do better on fort weeks than tyrannical

more uptime on bleeds/poisons cause mobs live longer

and even in full aoe m+ build i still have strong ST for bosses.

[grave osprey]

Running the hybrid build in a 7 Nelth, ilvl 510. Does this dmg breakdown look about right, or should caustic splatter be almost the same as Garrote?

[balmy condor]

Looks about right but your crimson tempest is super low

The garrote is pretty high as well

[grave osprey]

less 'rrotes more tempest- got it!

[balmy condor]

Should only really be garrotes from stealth or for your single target

The rest is maintaining ct/rup and cranking caustic

[grave osprey]

i think im worrying too much about making sure every add is dot'ed

[balmy condor]

Yeh dw too much

As long as you get a couple out from stealth and you have energy

You’re good to go

[grave osprey]

Excellent- thank you! 😎💪🏽

[balmy condor]

Np

[pulsar apex]

@slate crown thanks for the help earlier. I integrated your Gar and Rup into Zac's with ease.

[midnight mist]

[proven jasper]

bro got violated

[worldly sail]

your pack is getting frankensteined, do not be alarmed

[pulsar apex]

i just wanna green dot when snapshot is active 🙂

im now in an uneducated aura rabbithole

[slate crown]

Let me know if you need help figuring it out, it would be pretty simple to add

[nimble zinc]

hey just curious - here was an 8 BH I did yesterday with a friend + pugs -- did I do ok?

was 288k overall, kinda low for me i'm usually between 300-400k in keys

but for reference i really only do 8-10's

[shy pecan]

CT seems really low for that dungeon

Caustic seems low too? There are some bigger targets in there so could get better KB value in there

[clever sapphire]

hmm ye that seems kinda low, Brh is a key with probably the biggest pulls so big aoe numbers are kinda a given

[runic hinge]

Sin one trick doesn’t have snapshots in his wa smh my head

[midnight mist]

ok well

do people actually need to track that

i dont even know why i would

[soft shale]

only one that matters is kb and you macro it anyway

[midnight mist]

look

sin has so little going on

you could play it without weak aura

[runic hinge]

People like tracking imp garrote cause you want to let it run out fully before refreshing

[midnight mist]

ye

but like

you know when your garotte was empowered

you press garotte from stealth like 3 times a fight

[earnest remnant]

[runic hinge]

Mf forgot about dance

[midnight mist]

there is no dance anymore

[runic hinge]

This isn’t the beta channel

[midnight mist]

you guys still living in the past or what

[runic hinge]

You’re just in the future

[midnight mist]

every channel is the beta channel

[earnest remnant]

100%

[midnight mist]

retails is dead

[earnest remnant]

if you dont track it

you are gonna override it

[runic hinge]

That’s fair

[midnight mist]

no ?

in st in raid ?

hell no

you have like 3 things to think about

i can remember when i just came out of kb and my garotte was empowered idk

maybe im wrong

im no sin main

im a sub one trick !

[earnest remnant]

100% you finna forget

[midnight mist]

i aint forgetting dude

[runic hinge]

Bet you forgot about Dre

[midnight mist]

who

and like

[runic hinge]

Smh

[midnight mist]

if i dont have that

i might fall asleep

you gotta keep some stuffs out of weak auras

to stays on your toes

you know

[runic hinge]

Tbh I am with you in st it’s not that hard to track but I do my m+ as sin so it’s kinda nice there

[midnight mist]

yes but

good thing sin is always trash in m+ !

s4 is just a fluke

[earnest remnant]

one thing goes slightly not according to plan

[midnight mist]

will pass

[earnest remnant]

and you are forgetting it

[midnight mist]

skill issue

just get better on god

[earnest remnant]

play outlaw on farm and get called a BF padder

[midnight mist]

they are mad i pad better than them !

[earnest remnant]

ong

[grave osprey]

they just hate us cuz they anus

aint us*

[nimble zinc]

I think I mostly just focus on dotting things. I’m always really good on the first one or two pulls and then trash after that …

[balmy condor]

that is

[grave osprey]

+7 ULD- Much better after Whispyrs suggestions 🫡

[balmy condor]

an insane amount of gar dam

[balmy condor]

cranker PoV

[grave osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-bowser-notice-me-senpai-weird-satanist-guy-gif-11759343

[balmy condor]

[grave osprey]

Female Drenai has the best envenom animation imo. looks so smooth. 😗 👌

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fierce summit]

anyone know of an up to date guide or video guide for sin?

can't really find too much info out there

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793/playlists

Written guides, video guides

[fierce summit]

sick, thanks so much

[fierce summit]

So nothing's really changed with the spec since 10.2.7 I reckon?

[slate crown]

With the class itself? No nothing meaningful. Wowhead is updated. Here's video on season 4 specific stuff, but no talents/rotation changes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19egmnyG1EY

[fierce summit]

Gotcha - thanks! Yeah I saw the info dump video but just want to make sure I'm looking at the most up to date rotation and the only real ones I could find were from 10.2 - thanks for the help 😄

[ocean oyster]

which trinket do u guys use for m+?

I am running ashes and nelth but wondering if i shud run grieftorch

[shy pecan]

I like Grief for the prio damage, so been running with that

[grave osprey]

I use those as well. I have stoom-eaters boon. But thats a very risky trink

[fallen arch]

Grief goes ham

Especially when there’s a stoooopid hunter in your group

Or just tell ur healer not to heal one of the dps

Its called grieftorch for a reason right

[sharp trellis]

Hello all, for m+ content with medium to high keys focus, what sims setting would you recommend ? mostly for stat value / choice of enchant etc

Currently 518 ilvl - 36% crit / 16% Hast / 87 % mastery / 26 % Poly

[fringe oxide]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[fringe oxide]

The sims for dungeon slice are correct for Assassination and I would recommend using those in combination with patchwerk to see what you'd play.

[sharp trellis]

ty strix

[sharp trellis]

For Vault, better pass an item hero to mythic or get 2 gem ? i guess long term is mythic + the extra gem but i think i am not going to play that long ( i don't do mythic raid )

[candid anvil]

I've been comparing wafting devotion uptime with 2h users in group and its same as mine so I'm guessing double wafting devo procs double the value, not twice as much, anyone knows how is it in combination with other wep enchants? Do they proc together or separately if they are different?

[spice surge]

It just doubles the number on the proc

Its uptime is the same, the stats is just 2x

[candid anvil]

And if I get 1 haste ench and 1 crit do you think they will proc at the same time or separately?

[fringe oxide]

Big number better in raidbots you can sim sockets. For longevity you can't go wrong with m+ mythic track. And even sim catalyst conversion as well.

[forest nacelle]

in AoE if i have no ruptures up and no vanish or shadow dance to spread rupture, how many ruptures should i put up? or do i just keep putting rupture up and ignore envenom untill either of those come back up?

im guessing its 2-3 ruptures but im not sure.

nvm i found it in the guide.

[spice surge]

Then they would be seperate

[upbeat pebble]

Which build would ya’ll recommend for +10 carry keys? Would it/gameplay change for tyrann week when tank are mass pulling and shits getting deleted?

[rotund oak]

arterial shock

can perform even on 12s

[thorny wren]

hii, can someone say the best opener as assas rogue on s4? pvp/pve single if possible, idk if icyveins and wowhead is the best

pls

[spice spire]

guides are correct

[fallen arch]

I noticed the tipping point to something like cleave build is around 14

Everything below that just blast Arterial Shock build

[nimble zinc]

So wait it’s not 2x the proc % chance. It’s still the same proc chance just 2x the value?

Cause I remember last season ppl were saying double Sophic or 1 sophic 1 wafting but now I run double wafting.

[gusty mirage]

correct

[leaden garden]

In m+, if i have dots up on all targets, should I focus on Caustic splatter damage or FoK as builder? Sorry for noob question

[shy pecan]

You use FoK as a builder on 3+ targets. Just use mut/ambush if spatter is about to fall off your target.

[leaden garden]

okay thank you

[fallen arch]

Less thinking, more spatter

[royal lantern]

you are correct

[rotund oak]

technically whispyr is

[vestal wren]

i always assume i am wrong, makes conevrsations a lot easier

[gilded oasis]

Same tbh

[restive marsh]

How important is it to have shadow dance and vanish off cd at the beginning of a boss fight? Sometimes I feel like I hold them for a boss too much instead of using them on trash to spread bleed

Also if I do start a fight without shadow dance is it worth it to just use kingsbane or to wait until shadow dance and kingsbane are both off cooldown?
Or is it like every time I use shadow dance on random pulls I should also use kingsbane just to keep the cooldowns lined up?

[spice surge]

You always use dance together with kingsbane

So ye the second option

Ideally you'd want vanish at the end of deathmark KB but its not as essential as the kb+dance combo, so you can move it around to spread bleeds more efficiently if need be

[wet ruin]

does the subterfuge nightstalker bug exist on assa?

[spice surge]

Not sure what you are referring to

[restive marsh]

Okay that makes a lot of sense, thanks!

[wet ruin]

there was a thing on sub where during subterfuge rupture won't snapshot the extra damage unless it was the very first spell of subterfuge or something like that

or was that only for the shadow rupture

[spice surge]

Youre probably thinking of premeditation not working during subterfuge

Not nightstalker, as nightstalker works throughout all of subterfuge

[wet ruin]

oh ye you are right, why do I remember there was something with rupture as well

[solar wyvern]

There was a bug where replicating shadows would consume the tierset iirc

[austere sorrel]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[raven night]

does assa have the same thing as outlaw with not being able to restealth during subterfuge without losing stealth talent benefits?

[balmy condor]

No

But if it did, you’d probably never notice

The amount of times where you stealth during subterfuge happens probably once in multiple dozens of keys

And never in raid

[grave osprey]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[sonic zinc]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[sonic zinc]

whispyr is ur plater npc spell data just quazii's?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[raven night]

yah figure it never happens, rare case might happen this week tho if u pop out to kill a spiteful for 1 second

[balmy condor]

…why?

Ain’t no reason to do that

[raven night]

if u need to res or smth

on outlaw i just do it for cdr during aa rp for example

[mighty urchin]

any specific buff i should be shooting for with dreamcarver

[slate crown]

!dagger speed

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[slate crown]

I mean, none of them directly impact damage

so it can be whatever you want

[mighty urchin]

ooo big

[slate crown]

but speed tends to be popular and could have an indirect effect on damage by improving uptime, nothing major

[mighty urchin]

ty

[spice spire]

-10 all stats begs to differ

Big change

[slate crown]

I'll -10 your stats

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

[fiery lily]

if i play only m+ shall i get neltharion's call to suffering or grieftorch?

my other trinket is ashes of the emberoul

[grim jay]

Grieftorch

[rotund oak]

ashes+grieftorch for everything

[sharp trellis]

/wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[onyx rampart]

If you're not talented into Scent of Blood, how many ruptures do you maintain on aoe packs in m+?

[clever sapphire]

enough for infinite energy

for me its always 5 garrotes and 5 ruptures

[onyx rampart]

Okay. I'm having a hard time getting any envenom chains with keeping up bleeds on multiple targets. Is that normal, or am I just bad? 😄

[clever sapphire]

nah thats normal

envenom chaining is more something to think about in boss fights

aoe is gonna be setting up bleeds, going into your burst window

then going back to spreading bleeds probably

[split cipher]

Depending on your key level you get a different flow. You can save vanish to redot on a pack that's 30 seconds in that you know will last another 20 as well

[clever sapphire]

i mean not gonna lie, i find myself saving vanish for restealths 9/10 times in keys

unless its a boss fight and it lines up

[split cipher]

My VDH calls for it when he's out of sigils lol

[clever sapphire]

i mostly pug sooooo ye

[split cipher]

fair

[clever sapphire]

only time when i dont really think about saving vanish is in ruby

i play cleave build there so getting a restealth doesnt really feel important at all

[nimble zinc]

this guy's a math wizard

[clever sapphire]

i mean 5 garrote and 5 ruptures are just pressing garrote twice out of stealth and pressing rupture twice during ic

easy

xD

[nimble zinc]

teach me how to rogue better, daddy uwu

[clever sapphire]

press button harder

[nimble zinc]

tbh I think i press my buttons way more often than i need to

garrote is usually like 20% of my overall dps cause i just stealth in and dot everything on pull

[clever sapphire]

comes down to the build you are using imo

and the key lvl

[nimble zinc]

tbh i never understood why my combo builder did more dps than my combo spenders

and you only play cleave build for ruby?

because the pulls are diff?

cleave build has you drop AP/Zoldyck for middle and right side capstones right?

[clever sapphire]

i prefer cleave in ruby because most pulls there is a big guy that i hate and like killing first

yap

also i find CT weird in ruby

so many times where tanks only pull 3-4 mobs in the upper part

[nimble zinc]

ya but the first boss has so many adds

[clever sapphire]

and pressing CT there just feels off

just press cooldowns when the adds are comin

[nimble zinc]

every tank i've ever had - including when i tanked myself - has always pulled like the 3 mobs into the next larger pack

all the pulls in the upper ring were like 12-20 mobs

esp when the 3 adds are like non elites, they die so fast

[clever sapphire]

i mean for the bottom part of the key i would take CT for big dmg, but the circle i just like cleave more

so i go with cleave

because preference

but my keys are also only in the 13-14 range because i cant be bothered pugging all day to get 1 key higher

[nimble zinc]

i mean i hear that.

i havent done above a 10

[split cipher]

I just like doing keys where I get a second KB each pull

it's about the damage, not the IO

[nimble zinc]

you mean where each pull is like > 1 min?

[clever sapphire]

ah if you are doing low keys i would only play the ap shock build

mobs dont really live your cooldowns

even if the group is bad

[nimble zinc]

yeah i havent played cleave build at all,

[clever sapphire]

thats also a good play

[nimble zinc]

i prefer ap shock build for keys, just aoe bleed everything

[clever sapphire]

yap thats pretty much it

[nimble zinc]

if theyre lower health - sudden demise gets em

bigger health targets i can still KB / splatter cleave

[clever sapphire]

yap

[grave osprey]

Is the cleave build far from the arterial shock build in terms of overall dmg?

Havent actually played that one yet

[clever sapphire]

i never really compared overall dmg because i look at the 2 builds completly differently

[grave osprey]

Fair

I should try it

[clever sapphire]

cleave for me is all about making sure that 1 mob just dies each pull and i melt bosses

i also kinda stopped playing shock after 12s, just playing hybrid or cleave

[grave osprey]

With caustic and poison talents + execute i bet AoE isnt bad at all either.

[clever sapphire]

ah ye you can blast big numbers in aoe

like ruby when they pull only 3 mobs you go to like 1.5M or so if you press cooldowns

without pi/aug

[grave osprey]

Sheesh

[clever sapphire]

(im also a weirdo that plays echo of neltharion trinket because i like the squid proc)

[grave osprey]

That makes two of us then.

[clever sapphire]

pog

[grave osprey]

I love my hologram friend

[spice spire]

Psychos

[clever sapphire]

got it to proc on raza opener last night, 1.20M opener and ended first phase with 500k, was like 100k ahead of everyone

i do like a bit of gamblin

[clever sapphire]

it takes one to play this season

[grave osprey]

We are playing the gamblin class after-all 😉

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that king

[leaden garden]

https://simulationcraft.org/reports/DF4_Raid.html I know this is not a representation of reality, so that's why I ask here; how well does asa perform compared to other melees in ST? Do you feel weak?

[shy pecan]

Sin is strong

[spice surge]

Sin is very strong even

[spice spire]

Ur very strong

[spice surge]

💪

You too king

[leaden garden]

Awesome thanks

[thorn fjord]

tf is a grungler

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-i-see-think-thinking-pondering-gif-4994872

[gusty mirage]

you know how many of his stupid ass messages I had to look through to find that

mfer out here grungling and not even answering the people's questions

@spice spire

[thorn fjord]

that made me laugh irl

[drifting cloud]

share or

[marble hemlock]

hes too busy sending pictures

to answer to us plebians in ehre

[spice spire]

Too busy grungling

[nimble zinc]

are you 527 ilvl?

and do you guys think we'll still be this good in TWW?

[shy pecan]

🔮

Unless you’re talking about the feel of the gameplay

[nimble zinc]

both?

[shy pecan]

Numbers, no one knows.

Gameplay, if you’ve been enjoying it, won’t likely change a ton.

[nimble zinc]

I just love the ramp up i get in raid with KB

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-5319192

[clever sapphire]

528 yap

[waxen oyster]

527/258 is pretty common now

[nimble zinc]

the real reason you run call to dominance so you can have a 535 trinket that creeps up 1 more ilvl lol

[waxen oyster]

I've seen some 530 people.

[nimble zinc]

yeah probably ppl with legendaries

[waxen oyster]

Yeah I mean mains are generally over 525 at this point.

[nimble zinc]

if you had like 3 535 pcs + the rest was all 528, no crafted 525 gear

[waxen oyster]

lego, sark cloak, brood ring, trinkets

there's plenty

[nimble zinc]

i guess i dont have a main then, my monk is 521 and my rogue is 520

[waxen oyster]

Monk in 2024

[nimble zinc]

lol

[waxen oyster]

Doomed class

[nimble zinc]

i could easily be 525+ on both if i just finished upgrading all my shit

but its hard to even farm crest because pugs suck and all my friends and guildmates are "done for the season"

[waxen oyster]

Tbh alot of us did it at the start of the season

[nimble zinc]

yeah exactly

ppl push insanely for the first 4-6 weeks and then just stop playing

[waxen oyster]

I think im sitting on like 200 unused crests on main