assassination

[balmy condor]

wouldn't really recommend it for anything under like a +15

but it is one of the builds

[regal bluff]

Thanks for clarifying

now that SD is gone in TWW, is there any reason not to play other class rather than NE?

[balmy condor]

racials don't really matter

[regal bluff]

what about shadowmeld?

is one free stealh

[balmy condor]

what about it

I mean

when it works yeah

it's not really that impressive

[regal bluff]

what do you mean by when it works?

dont you just pop up to get the poison spread and everything?

[balmy condor]

you have to go into true stealth

[regal bluff]

im thinking about faction/race change just for that, i play BE right now

[balmy condor]

meld itself doesn't give any benefits

[regal bluff]

.........

[balmy condor]

but during m+ trash if you meld and wait a bit

if nothing pulls you out

you can then stealth

and that's what gives the benefits

so that already makes meld useless against bosses for example

[regal bluff]

awwww didnt know bout that

[balmy condor]

since you're combat locked

[regal bluff]

so its just a minor thing

in the end

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean it can be useful, for sure

[regal bluff]

maybe the BE racial is still good for buff removal in the end

[balmy condor]

but it's a lot more niche than "press button = +1 vanish"

[regal bluff]

the stealth 5% mov speed is also nice

also the 2% racial mov speed,

since we are not using carved in next expansion anyways

that juicy 10% movspeed T_T

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be honest

I have no clue what racials are aside from the active buttons

[regal bluff]

lol

[shy pecan]

Same

[regal bluff]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

did you know that kul tiran have a swimming buff

[shy pecan]

nope, but I know that pandas have a food buff that buffs it by 2x 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeh apparently kul tiran have 10% swim speed and 50% breath

crazy

[shy pecan]

Don't undead have unlimited breathing?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

did you know zandalari get bonus leech

[shy pecan]

Yep

(Actually I didn't, I just know they have ugly druid forms, source: me)

[balmy condor]

they don't, I made that shit up

[shy pecan]

YOU GOT ME

[balmy condor]

they do have a 2% gold drop buff though

kinda weird since kul tiran also have like a tradesman thing so they get it too

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

you're right to be suspicious, one of those is a lie

which one is it

[shy pecan]

Kul Tirans

[balmy condor]

have or don't have

[shy pecan]

Don't have it

[balmy condor]

wrong

[shy pecan]

They have tradesmen, but not 2% gold

[balmy condor]

okay cheater mc cheater

how am I gonna gaslight you if you look it up

[shy pecan]

Wut

[balmy condor]

you looked it up right

[keen spruce]

they're both a lie

racials aren't real

[shy pecan]

Nope

[keen spruce]

why are you talking about kul tirans you're not making any sense

hop back on everquest

[balmy condor]

[shy pecan]

I mean, I have a Zandalari troll. I remember the gold part

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

oh

okay well you're still no fun regardless

[shy pecan]

That's what my parents always told me

[balmy condor]

your parents talked to you?

[shy pecan]

Yeah, I was kidding btw

They actually told me to never have fun and always study

[balmy condor]

more than I would've done, there's a milk shortage ed might be a while

[shy pecan]

become a doctor

[chrome sail]

is there a shadowstep macro that uses it on ur current target if enemy, but also can use as mouseover on friendly target

[balmy condor]

uh

[regal bluff]

I can share mine later

[shy pecan]

Yeah, it'd be something along the lines of /cast [@mouseover,help][@target,harm] Shadowstep

[balmy condor]

he's faster than me

fuck

[regal bluff]

I did some that clear focus and target and focus/target my mouseover target

[balmy condor]

I got to harm and then couldn't remember if it was harm or harmful

psyched myself out

[shy pecan]

I'm a genious

[chrome sail]

only geniuses play assa i guess

[shy pecan]

Actually, never played sin in my life

[slate crown]

They are the only ones who could get +LW for crafting scales/hides in HSV range because of it

Not as good as the other racials by magnitude but gave unique prof bonuses others couldn't reach

[chrome sail]

icy veins talents are fine, right? raid 1 atleast

[balmy condor]

Yes

Icyveins good guide

[marble hemlock]

[runic hinge]

You’ve played too much wow

[shy pecan]

[chrome sail]

so if im reading the rotation right, kingsbane should always be used with shadow dance ?

and if thats true, can i macro them together

[slate crown]

Yes, and yes.

Shadow dance first

[chrome sail]

#showtooltip w/e i want, then /cast Shadow dance, /cast Kingsbane ?

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

Just in time for shadow dance being gone in a month

[chrome sail]

and for m+, where can i read some info, or should just ask here

[balmy condor]

Depends what “some info” means

There’s m+ sections in every guide

But I’m guessing you’ve already seen those

[chrome sail]

like i see that up to 6 targets its peasy to keep up garrote

rupture is dependant on prio and combo points generation

but what about bigger packs

[balmy condor]

You can garrote 3x from stealth so that’s 9 targets, shouldn’t need to rupture more than twice since that will give you more than enough energy and max out scent of blood

Maintain crimson tempest

Pick a caustic spatter target and go

[regal bluff]

Do u recommend any WA? So far I have none and I’m doing 8-10+
I kinda miss it, o usually get a good one and modify, move the defensive ones, the CCs

[shy pecan]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[regal bluff]

Is there any profile nameplates that highlights our poisons and bleeds?

[shy pecan]

Cev's

[regal bluff]

Thanks

Do u guys play other specs? After playing Sin I kinda dislike the other 2 lol, specially outlaw

[shy pecan]

Some of us do

[balmy condor]

Outlaw is pretty polarizing

A lot of sub/assa swaps though

Also a fair bit of sub/outlaw swaps

Outlaw is giga fast, assa is the polar opposite

So it can be difficult to get everyone on board with both

[sharp viper]

whenever I try to play outlaw again after a long time of not playing it, i feel insanely old - takes way more time getting back into than sub does

[rotund oak]

If u played Sin u should try playing Sub,for starters in outdoor content to take the grasp of the spec

can be extremely powerful if u learn how to handle it

Outlaw is somewhere where u wanna test ur speed in pressing buttons,can be rly fun but it doesnt look good going into TWW coz it lost alot of its ''comfort'' zone,which is acrobatic strikes giving melee range

made the specc feel alot more comfortable inside the general high apm madness

now it wont have that so outlaw looks grim

[chrome sail]

where can i yoink raid/ tyranical/ fort talents

[primal jolt]

hello deathstalkers and the others too i guess

[rotund oak]

Im a dual blade

Only maplestory now

💅

[limber lion]

Wowhead

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

you should be dual blade... in MHworld

[rotund oak]

is that another game?

idk

[normal mist]

You have no idea what Monster hunter: World is?

[rotund oak]

no

is it a game?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mhw-hammer-gif-24949482

Thats probably the best gif i found

[rotund oak]

😲

[normal mist]

its you VS world ( monsters )

i started playing during january

Its single player BUT you can also play it multiplayer

[rotund oak]

idk i was watching whispyr streaming n stuff and he played maplestory and i started liking it,it has depth in it and dual blade is like tryndamere in league

that sounds cool

[normal mist]

okay let me show you something then (the game is worth it, i finished both the game and the dlc) and a new one is coming next year

[royal lantern]

wasting 30seconds for a single medium strenght attack

[normal mist]

And looked cool doing it

[royal lantern]

fully charged hammer spin and only letting the last hit doing anything

[rotund oak]

he was baiting me?

[royal lantern]

• fire weapon against tigrex

[normal mist]

Tryan you keep ignorin my DMs fy

[royal lantern]

huh

[normal mist]

sent you 2 links 😦

[rotund oak]

habibi vip bro

[normal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUuB6hGbhJ8 check that weapon, thats the weapon that made me love the game before i picked up dual blades

[royal lantern]

probably drowned out in the discord spam i get every day

sorry

[chrome sail]

could any1 hit me up with a kingsbane WA? just to make it bigger to track the 6 and 3 sec windows better 😄

[rotund oak]

this looks very cool,like FF

short of

[normal mist]

I truly loved this game and i keep trying getting friends into the game

so i can start over with them

[royal lantern]

it just shows me that im happy that they allready announced Longsword nerfs in Wilds

cus man, those "parry" windows are legit 12yearsy

[rotund oak]

dont think i can play much outside some wow,im working and stuff

but will see

maybe why not

[normal mist]

there are a bunch of different weapons you can choose from, nothing like a youtube video on it on your free time

[slate crown]

!wa Each pack should have one, for a specialized one you can check out LE profile link for a timer bar, probably the 1st or 2nd result in the list.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[regal bluff]

What is this 3-6 second window??

[limber lion]

Vanish and tea respectively

As in you would use tea at 6 seconds and vanish at 3

[regal bluff]

But why do we HAVE to Vanish with 3 seconds left? What do we get if it’s about to finish and kingsbane increases our poison applied damage?

[limber lion]

Because you play Master Assassin so you want to ensure the last 2 ticks are more likely to crit because of the 3s MA buff.

Not sure what you mean with the second part. Kingsbane does not increase poison damage, it just deals damage by itself.

[regal bluff]

I forgot about that. Make sense, thanks!
About the second, I meant, KB increase it’s damage by lethal poison applied, however, the Vanish has nothing to do with it

[limber lion]

Yeah that's true. There's nothing you can do that increases the stacks, other than maintaining 100% melee uptime, attack speed (Slice and Dice) and poison application chance (Envenom).

Vanish is just for the crit rng

If crit, big dam

if no crit, sad times

[regal bluff]

Thanks again

[limber lion]

Glgl

[final forum]

i seem to forget tea and vanish every time i use KB. Does someone have a WA that shouts when i need to use them xD

[gusty mirage]

uh I think Lisonna's KB tracker has little indicators on the bar to remind you to use them

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

[pliant remnant]

Look for "Zytech Kingsbane Timings" on wago

[final forum]

NICE! ill look into it ty! 😄

[pliant remnant]

Just shows you the icons when you need to use them, with countdowns too

[gusty mirage]

oh that's neat

props zytech

[final forum]

i keep forgetting about it in the heat of the moment xD

[gilded oasis]

My WA just yells at me in some ladies voice to Tea and Vanish cause I play with my my eyes closed

[shy pecan]

Same

[final forum]

how? 😄

[grim jay]

they are just saying random things (the eyes close part)

dont mind that

[slate crown]

How to make the WA yell, or how to play with eyes closed?

[final forum]

both xD

[gusty mirage]

for the first one you just add alerts to your weakauras, for the 2nd one ask people you play the game with

[slate crown]

You can use Conditions tab to make sounds play in any WA based on whatever condition you want, as the generic answer.

The KB timeline above (#assassination message) uses the Custom Options tab where there's a setting for each thing it's tracking so you can add any sound you want to each

How do you play with your eyes closed? You have to learn to believe

[gusty mirage]

from personal experience most of my pugs play with their eyes closed/monitors off

[vernal tree]

so how do you guys survive in NO that freaking third boss gale arrow? sitting at a 12 bro and i barely survive that shit with feint up. How tf they do that on 18/19s?

[grim jay]

feint doesnt work unless you talented into elusive

[ruby birch]

Are you running elusiveness

It’s not aoe

It starts one shotting me at 16 tyr but assa typically runs low ish vers

[grim jay]

elusiveness not only lets feint work, but evasion gets DR which works aswell
that aside, people on the higher end might run more vers, use the DR phial and/or get externals

[ruby birch]

Yeah as assa in high keys

You need an external there

You just don’t run enough vers for it

Outlaw can live every single one

[vernal tree]

ye im running elusivness

[ruby birch]

Your ilvl?

[vernal tree]

521

sitting at 20%vers

[ruby birch]

No way a 12 one shots you through feint

You gotta be missing a ton of hp

[vernal tree]

1,24m hp

ok so im just running more def/ versa phial?

[grim jay]

dr phial

isnt vers

its 7% dr

[vernal tree]

aight got it

[vernal tree]

yea thats how it feels like

[ruby birch]

That’s with less vers than you

You should be able to live it

[vernal tree]

ok but what externals do you get, when you need it?

[ruby birch]

I run with a resto Druid

So I get bark

I usually get it on third one

I get my defensives on cd for first and second

It’s all group dependent

[vernal tree]

you cloak first, second u pop feint +evasion or?

[nimble zinc]

yeah i run at least 20% vers just for high keys

[nimble zinc]

what phial is that?

[grim jay]

Idk, icy preservation or something iirc

Never remember names

[nimble zinc]

[short flint]

Does caustic spatter only splash poison damage you do to the target it is on or will it splash any poison damage you do to any target from the mob it is on

[blazing jewel]

I am having a stroke reading this

[proven jasper]

It is all damage you do to the spatter target

will splash to others

[short flint]

Well as I read the tooltip it says using mutilate on a target with deadly poison and rupture applied caustic spatter for 10 second and that caustic splatter caused 45% of my poison damage dealt to splash onto nearby targets but it doesn’t say weather that poison damage needs to be dealt to the target with caustic splatter on it. It just says 45% of my poison damage dealt which could be to a different target

[short flint]

Thanks!

[proven jasper]

All poison damage that is

Nature damage same thing

[dense plank]

pretty dumb question but how do we proc the fire rings ? is there something im missing?

[normal mist]

Headpiece enchant

from amidrassil

But don't expect the fire dmg ring to do more than 1-2% of your overall damage. We use it because its a fully stated ring with a bit extra dmg on it, so in theory is better than any other ring.

[nimble zinc]

head piece enchant + grief torch can both proc it

not a high uptime but still sims best, go fig

[dense plank]

Oh okay then i guess im good

ill just play with the torch

[normal mist]

[chrome sail]

Which daggers are u guys using, gna buy 1 with bullions

[nimble zinc]

whichever ones sim best

[chrome sail]

Is dslice accurate for assa

[red wolf]

yea

[slate crown]

Best offhand is nick of time from DOTI if you can get it, if you can’t, any Myth track dagger.

For mainhand, any Myth track dagger too. The Dreamcarver dagger offers non-dps benefits above all other daggers so it can be considered “bis” but not really damage bis, it’s just “any myth track dagger is best, this one just has a bit of extra utility”

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[slate crown]

And, stats don’t matter

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[slate crown]

They can’t hurt you.

[past forum]

anyone know how many s4 items we can have by now? not counting the weekly quests

[slate crown]

I don't know the exact number but I am fairly certain that if you do count the weekly quests, we have enough at this point to get all of the good/fancy items you could want

If you don't count them we may be just shy of getting everything

For us, that is

[gilded oasis]

more than 2

[past forum]

MATH?

[slate crown]

No math

Just vibes

[past forum]

oh, i thought you said "count the weeks" as in like do the math

[slate crown]

Oh I meant "count" as in "include"

Just from my own character I've been caught up on bullions and I am now personally able to purchse anything I could want, both rings, both trinkets, mainhand dagger, neck and sark cloak (I'm not using the latter two, but I could purchase them if I wanted with the bullions sitting idly in my bags)

[past forum]

im gearing up a hunter to start raiding in my partner's guild and i wasn't sure if i was able to buy bm stuff + surv polearm

[slate crown]

If you don't go for the neck/sark cloak (of dubious value to us but not sure about the value to hunter) then maybe?

Also are bow/polearm 4 bullions? That may make it not possible yet

[past forum]

nah they just 2 each

and yeah i reckon i probably wont go for sark cloak since i'm gonna be like 20 ilvl behind everyone else for a bit XD

[chrome sail]

When do i use fan of knives and crimson tempest in aoe

Like i spread garrote and rupture

Then crimson tempest into caustic tunnel target

Or its 1st opener, caustic tunnel and then crimson tempest

[balmy condor]

This

Fok on 3, ct on 4

[chrome sail]

And just 1 mutilate to keep the debuff up?

[balmy condor]

Yeah you just mut every 8-9 seconds to maintain caustic on something

[wet chasm]

Forgive me newbie question, but I have never mained a DPS spec before (always a healer) and I am a little confused about simming. Specifically, how much it should be trusted when compared to "optimal" gear configs in the guides. For example, I am told by my dungeon slice sims that I should be running 496 Igneous Fragment and 499 Static-Charged Scale, rather than a 502 Embersoul and a 499 Grieftorch. (this will gain me 5K dps according to Raidbots). From everything I've read, this seem, well, wrong. Can someone here please educate me a little more on how to think about sims, especially when it diverges quite a bit from guides?

[balmy condor]

Guides are suggestions and generally based on having the highest/best options available already, like a “aim for these”

Sims tell you what the best stuff you have in front of you are, or if you use droptimizer, what the best short terms upgrades are for your character currently

The fact that it’s suggesting a worse on-use alongside a haste steroid usually can indicate that your character is either undergeared or severely lopsided stat wise (usually the former)

The Irideus fragment (I think that’s what you meant) being a 3 min trinket kinda sucks for a 2 min class like assa but it’s obviously also stronger to compensate for that cd difference so sometimes you’ll get it to be better

Just is what it is

[nimble zinc]

And yeah Sims can very a lot. For example, single target vs multi target, fight duration, etc.

Ashes is great because it lines up perfectly with DM and Vanish. And every other KB.

Fragment may be a higher boost but you can’t use it as often.

So for a 1:30 fight fragment probably sims higher but it’s like 5-6 mins you’ll get more usage out of Ashes.

[regal bluff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[barren yarrow]

Does the polling practice tool still work?

Also! I know this is probably a dumb question but will pooling still be a thing after TWW is out? Since our tier set will be different?

I suck at remembering how to play 😦 but! My opener finally hit over 700k on smoldy 😄

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

yes

the rules change a bit

but you will still want to chain to some extent because of a new talent

[barren yarrow]

Ok 👍🏼 I saw your vid on what the new talents were like but wasn’t sure if we’re chaining or not as that’s a huge factor.

I’m actually pretty excited to see how it works now. I think Sin is in a really good spot to start TWW.

[balmy condor]

It’s less but not much, especially on deathstalker envenom is a lot of damage

[stable jay]

what should I spend my bronze bullions on? I already have Greiftorch, Embersoul, Dreamcarver, and Diurna's.

[slate crown]

You have all of the good stuff then, everything else is marginal and you should pick things that A) sim better than what you have or B) if you do not have full myth track pieces, fill in the gaps you may have as the bullion pieces are effectively myth track

[stable jay]

I don't have any myth track pieces

[slate crown]

Then you have options aplenty

[stable jay]

voice of the silent star and seal of filial duty are both on wowhead for Bis, whats ur thoughts on chosing one or the other?

[waxen oyster]

Whatever is in the vault

and raidbots

[stable jay]

whats raidbots?

[waxen oyster]

sim your char

[stable jay]

oh jeez

okay

[waxen oyster]

I mean that's been the goto for gearing choices

Since legion

Bis lists are a relic of the past.

[stable jay]

im just lazy

[slate crown]

Learning to sim your character is a pretty core part of playing a dps nowadays

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[slate crown]

In lieu of the effort, you can just refer to the list (though I would strongly encourage you to sim)

[stable jay]

also might just be me but no other site besides wowhead makes my browser crash

[stable jay]

I will try to try

[slate crown]

Filial duty is a ring with stats like any other ring with stats, though the run can also be upgraded an extra two times over other pieces (it is a drop from a penultimate boss). It's a good ring like any other and should be treated as such

Silent Star is potentially the best damage wise but if the proc doesn't align with our cooldowns it's meh, it sims higher, but a critical thing to note is that it does not have stamina. This likely won't matter much in a lot of content, but if you do push up into doing harder Mythic Plus/raid content the lack of stamina can be noticeable.

[waxen oyster]

I mean using silent star in m+ is kinda troll

enjoy being periodically knocked out of stealth

[stable jay]

highest M+ I'll prob be doing any time soon in 6/7 ish, also ty for this breakdown really helped me

[stable jay]

why does it knock you out of stealth?

[waxen oyster]

because blizzard doesn't have enough interns

they're a small indie developer

[stable jay]

but like

does it do damage or something?

[waxen oyster]

No

[stable jay]

doesnt really make sense to de stealth you? no?

[waxen oyster]

:))))

[stable jay]

oof

[waxen oyster]

Ask blizzard

the event of getting a stack buff destealths you

[stable jay]

?? odd

[waxen oyster]

idk if a mw soothing mists you while talented into unision

That will also unstealth you

[stable jay]

it also doesnt seem that useful if ur doing solo content, can you just not proc it without being in a team?

[waxen oyster]

solo content doesnt exist in this game

[stable jay]

I think I had a stroke trying to understand this

[stable jay]

like questing n stuff, seems kinda meh

[waxen oyster]

Yeah game is streamlined into max level content.

[stable jay]

yeah seems a bit like that

[waxen oyster]

Rogue a solid F tier solo content class anyway

[stable jay]

really?

leveling on rouge and playing for myself in general felt really good due to stealth

[waxen oyster]

Thankfully there is no solo content in this game that's relevant.

[stable jay]

kinda true

[balmy condor]

delves

[stable jay]

delves?

[waxen oyster]

It's their attempt

at trying to make something

[balmy condor]

tww outdoor content

[stable jay]

whats delves

[balmy condor]

it's like m+ world quests

[waxen oyster]

It'll probably be undertuned

otherwise the casuals will cry

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's pretty rough atm

[waxen oyster]

Yeah I can foresee a nerf

I saw someone complaining mage tower is too hard

the other day

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

yeah guardian druid one

same one I did when it launched in SL with no idea what 75% of my buttons did

[blissful cosmos]

yo when playing sanguine blades do i always have to be above 50 energy or only when my garrote and rupture is empowered?

for single target

[blazing jewel]

Don’t really play around it

You play around the tier set and chaining envenoms

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slate crown]

I'm not sure I 100% agree, but I hate that you are still, for the most part, right. Rogue has the blueprint at being a fantastic solo class when managing 1-2 dangerous mobs at once, assume the mobs are not immune to our CC. It is something I am interested in puzzling out, something that I have enjoyed thinking about and playing with when playing many iterations of the class, with various different self-imposed challenges in multiple versions of the game. But all it takes is going and playing any other class that can handle the same scenario and just self heal themselves through it with significantly less brain juices, to realize that the playstyle is outdated in whatever available solo content could be evaluated today.

I think delves could have the potential to challenge this, I am cautiously hopeful for it in terms of introducing solo play that forces engagement with all tools at our disposal (where we could see a revitalization of what our kit offers), but I'm not holding my breath for it

[past forum]

Rogue: carefully navigates the delve through stealth, incapacitates a couple mobs with Blind/Sap, engages a stun lock to take out another.
DH: heheh eye beam go burrrr

[slate crown]

(I've said it before but I'll say it again, while rogue is easily one of the weaker classes to do it, I had a lot of fun leveling a rogue with white items only, there were a lot of things to futz about trying to puzzle out)

[waxen oyster]

Rogue can't just run into a big group and kill it all.

[slate crown]

Yeah it isn't designed to

But also why is "run into big group and kill it all" a requirement for solo content? That's baking into the strength evaluation the nature of the content itself, rather than simply the merits of the class in a vacuum

Obviously in today's content that is like, the thing that makes a class good. But that's just as much the nature of the content as it is the class merits

[waxen oyster]

I mean

you can blame m+

[slate crown]

Different content could be presented that doesn't require that or place it above other qualities

[waxen oyster]

for this mass pull and aoe cc culture

[slate crown]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

Also over the years

they've given almost every class stuns

[slate crown]

Yeah, every other class has CC.

[chrome sail]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[chrome sail]

We spam envenom as spender in aoe, right? Crimson tempest we value the dot, bot the instant dmg

Not*

[balmy condor]

There’s no instant damage on crimson tempest, so yeh

Envenom for caustic as a filler

[tribal marlin]

Yo I just come back after 2.5 years of grotto

wtf is that shit

https://i.imgur.com/gqjds1d.png

xD

10 years later

holy shit

it's nerfed in PvP right, there is no way it's 35% in pvp

?

[balmy condor]

The 35% is just the threshold

[tribal marlin]

yeah I know but

[balmy condor]

Its (total bleed damage remaining)/1.5

So it’s a damage loss technically

[tribal marlin]

still

[balmy condor]

I think it’s nerfed in PvP on top of that

But not sure

They don’t use it at all

It’s basically just an m+ talent

[tribal marlin]

I see new Vendetta do bleed damage as well

[balmy condor]

And even then it’s not used half the time

[balmy condor]

The damage deathmark itself does is worthless

The vast majority of the damage is the duplication

[tribal marlin]

at least it's good to have it

I played a lot of assa in M+ back in BFA it was a bit frustrative to see mobs getting blasted down with like 15s+ remaining on bleeds

[balmy condor]

Yeah well

[tribal marlin]

of course the bigger the hp-pool is, the lower its value will be overall but still good to have it as an option

[balmy condor]

Imagine that, but with a 1 min cooldown

And you got current assa

[tribal marlin]

how do you feel about rogue in dragonfly ?

I left shortly before dragonfly beta

I just discover all these talent rn

[balmy condor]

Was fine after 10.2

[tribal marlin]

looks quite sick

[balmy condor]

Right now the spec tree is fine

Class tree is kinda ass

Hero talents are a disaster

[tribal marlin]

yeah I'm playing on beta rn looks like they're still not-functionnal

he trickster thingy in sub doesn't work at all

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is just + damage, which is kinda okay cause the base gameplay is fine

But has no visuals

Deathstalker is a mess

[chrome sail]

Ooooooooh, the instant dmg was in my head only then 😄

[balmy condor]

there was instant damage in season 2, got removed in season 3

so

maybe that?

[chrome sail]

No idea, i just started playing rogue 😄

[cunning quarry]

if ive just started playing rogue, is hekili going to build ba dhabits or is it a decent way to pick up the rotation?

[normal mist]

It probably will

I would advise not using it and just learning what the skills do / how talents interact with those skills. Wowhead guide is also an amazing starting point.

But you can try it to see what it recommends doing and then taking your own conclusions

[balmy condor]

hekili giga shit

yep

[normal mist]

Was trying to not say it directly

XD

[balmy condor]

Im well known to not mince words

[normal mist]

Next time I'll address it as:
I don't think you should, BUT WHISPYR SAYS ITS GIGA SHIT

And then link your wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

When I did a lot of coaching at the start of season 3

First thing was always “do you have hekili? Turn it off”

[cunning quarry]

Haha okay! i just find the guides quite overwhelming at first

[balmy condor]

[cunning quarry]

ill ease myself into it

[balmy condor]

Had a guy that went like +20% dps with no guidance other than “turn it off and let’s just hit the dummy and see”

Incredible tech

[cunning quarry]

ts really that bad? 🥲

ive never used it before

but have heard it used a lot

[balmy condor]

Can be a bit of an overwhelming spec in general but there’s plenty of helpful people who can answer questions

[balmy condor]

It is for rogue at least

[cunning quarry]

Yeah i'll try play it a bunch today, figure out bindings and such, revisiting the guide where i need too

[balmy condor]

I’ve heard good things about it for ret

And maybe some other specs I don’t remember

But hekili (the guy, not the addon)

Is a ret player

So kinda makes sense

It claims to be copying sim logic

But that shit is demonic

I can’t even begin to explain some of the stuff it does

[primal jolt]

yoyo

[cunning quarry]

That makes sense 🙂

Ill work at it today

[rotund oak]

hekili

should be bannable word in this sacred discord

[normal mist]

True

[limber lion]

Nothing sacred about this discord

[grim jay]

I had to argue with someone in my guild recently about it being a mess for rogues

and he straight up said "nah, you can parse 95s just following it on every spec"

[balmy condor]

But if anyone can parse 95 then 95 is a 50

[spice surge]

95 is the new 50

[grim jay]

yeah the whole topic was wild

especially considering he doesnt parse anywhere near 95

on any char

in our raid (main tank btw)

[pseudo hamlet]

It's REALLY GOOD talent for PvP, Sudden Demise can "instantly" kill players when they don't have their CDs on and they don't expect it.
I remember that it was doing like ~200-250k(in the previous patch) with all bleeds(DM, 2xRup, 2xEmpowered Garrote, Doomblade, SBS).
That's because big amount of players wait till the last second with their heals/CDs.

[slate crown]

Yeah I made the current SoD APLs for rogue and after spending a bunch of time trying to get optimizations into place, it ballooned into one of the more complicated APLs. It’s SoD though, despite the new abilities it’s still classic, but even there rogue has always been, while easy to understand, more complicated than most in terms of button push/APL steps with lots of little room for optimization and pooling. Compared to all the other APL writers the ones I submitted were the most complicated mostly because of pooling

I think it’s just what being an energy / combo points double resource class does, not sure how complex DK looks

Or whatever

[gusty mirage]

[rotund oak]

sacrilege

blasphemer

heretic

[barren yarrow]

Yeah I saw that! Kingsbane might not be as fruitful.

I do like how they are going away with bonespike as an ability.

honestly I think it’ll open our spec up to an even easier rotation possibly saving more energy and allowing us to hit harder but we’ll see.

right now ST is king and M+ is still really good imo. I’m always doing over 400k overall in a 10 or above.

[subtle stream]

I asked a priest healer if they had a PI target already and they laughed saying that rogues don’t need/benefit from haste. /facepalm. Told them PI is trash for combat/sub but not for assassination

[pure moth]

Pi in my raid is going to ret pally and mage. I'm looking past that as a meme season but like it's still strange

[flint marsh]

are there any like proper rules for what stuff cloak resists and what it doesn't or do you just have to know every single spell >.<

[subtle stream]

Yeah. Depending on the fight it can boost some classes very well on pull, but when it’s used properly for us, it’s gg!

Like big AoE PI on a BM Hunter is bonkers

[pure moth]

For sure.. every fight is different

[spice surge]

95% of the time when it says its magic cloak reduces the damage

But if it immunes the effects is more based on the encounter, a lot of boss mechanics get applied through immunities so you cant just cheese the fight and never have to do anything

[flint marsh]

I've just died twice in the last couple of days to magic dmg/effect, the crystals on last boss AV killed me with their tick damage and today curse of stone in uldaman just still applied the curse to me while I had cloak running and killed me :/

[marble hemlock]

ye the crystals still do damage

you can only immune one tick

[waxen oyster]

arent crystals physical

[flint marsh]

no they are arcane

or at least thats what the spellbook says

[marble hemlock]

the way cloak works is that it provides actual immunity for 1 second and then 100% magic resistance for the other 4 seconds. its a remnant from how it used to work way back, so on some mechanics you need to abuse the immunity portion for it to take effect, or in the case of the crystals, you just stop the damage for the first second of its duration, not the entire duration.

some spells just pierce that magic resistance pmuch

[waxen oyster]

yeah idk curse of stone means someome didnt kick iirc

[flint marsh]

yeah but with the curse I was like well it doesnt need to be kicked because I can just cloak it

[marble hemlock]

and like eleem said, some spells are hardcoded to also ignore the immuntiy aspect of it

[spice surge]

Ye hence the 95%, some effects just randomly go through

[flint marsh]

but then turns out cloak doesnt stop it so I was like wtf

[marble hemlock]

yep, welcome to cloak of shadows

[flint marsh]

if I cloaked after I got the curse would it dispel?

[waxen oyster]

or dispelled by a dps

[marble hemlock]

its not a fully reliable immunity like divine shield or iceblock

[waxen oyster]

no you’re stunned

[flint marsh]

nah you're not

the way curse works is it builds up for 5s and then it stuns you then 4s later it kills you

I didnt resist either component

[marble hemlock]

very likely, yes

[flint marsh]

interesting will have to try

but also... fucked haha

[waxen oyster]

oh wait i did stoneform it off

once

[marble hemlock]

havnet played much m+ this season, or in DF at all really, but generally speaking, any dispellable poison, curse, magic or disease can also be cloaked off, unless they were applied by a physical spell.

[flint marsh]

yeah its just a regular dispellable curse

which is why I figured cloak would stop it applying to me

[waxen oyster]

game’s weird with cloak

[marble hemlock]

ye i wouldnt be surprised if its considered a physical spell and therefore cloak doesnt work

[waxen oyster]

my favorite meme was pvp interactions

[marble hemlock]

but ye, if its dispellable by a healer, 99/100 times you can also remove it with cloak.

[chrome sail]

whats the idea behind pressing 1 envenom and then pressing cds in the opener

[marble hemlock]

getting the envenom buff up first

makes basically no difference whether we use our CDs 2 seconds later, but it means we start our DM+Kingsbane with envenom already active (and at long enough duration to also be able to re-cast it after to benefit from 4set)

if we didnt apply it before DM+KB, youd have 1 second of KB without envenom up, and 2seconds of DM without envenom up, which is no bueno

[frosty bridge]

Improved poisons vs Venom rush in keys assuming no iron wire?

With the hybrid build

[nimble zinc]

why would you not take iron wire in keys?

[nimble zinc]

I found the other day I could remove heartstopper on Igira with Cloak - godsend.

[misty holly]

group leaders only invites dps who get at least 15 kicks per dungeon. Too many iron wire procs and you won't get those kicks in.

[brave stump]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[frosty bridge]

feel like there's no need atm

[nimble zinc]

depends on what kinda tank you have imo

if its not a prot pal or vdh - the aoe silence helps a lot.

[frosty bridge]

do other tanks even exist

[nimble zinc]

kinda bullshit imo - cause details / logs doesn't count kicks outside your standard interrupt 'kick' - aoe blind - aoe silence doesn't count

[proven jasper]

Sure do

[nimble zinc]

i'd probably have like 80+ kicks per dungeon if it counted my iron wire

[proven jasper]

you run with a blook dk and they will straight up kneel for you when you give them a taste of iron wire

[nimble zinc]

same goes for bear

[proven jasper]

Big time yeah

[nimble zinc]

bears S T R U G G L E at grouping up mobs

[proven jasper]

dks can group but the damage down alone helps them setup immensely

Iron wire is so underrated

[vale ice]

quick and maybe dumb question, do you want to pump as many envenoms into your kingsbane as possible (while maintaining buff) or just keep up the envenom buff and refresh it just before it drops off?

[balmy condor]

you want to envenom during your kingsbane because you're in shiv

big damage buff

[waxen oyster]

Other tanks just suck comparatively

to vdh

sad truth tbh

[proven jasper]

i dont disagree

it is the sad truth

ill take the guy whos played bdk for 10 years over some random vdh tho anyday

[waxen oyster]

well depends for me

if i see a tank playing a s3 scales

prob bad

[proven jasper]

yeah i mean totally fair

kinda sus

[waxen oyster]

soemtimes you can gauge a tank just on

their talent/gear choices

for the content

[proven jasper]

absolutely

Usually checking talents is a surefire way to know if a tank sucks before the key starts

depends tho

[waxen oyster]

fotm specs naturally draw a bunch of pepegas

[safe pivot]

quick question i got a raid in 10 minutes

do i buy second duirna ring the one that gives a shield or do i get sark cloak with bullions?

[balmy condor]

whichever sims highest

[rotund oak]

cloak would win in raid

least thats what i remember from my personal sims

[ocean oyster]

Is there diminishing returns on mastery?

[frosty bridge]

Ye

[rotund oak]

in all stats

[limber lion]

On all stats

[ocean oyster]

Is it at 8k?

[balmy condor]

there's diminishing returns on every stat

[limber lion]

You don't need to know the number

[balmy condor]

dunno

[limber lion]

No one knows

You just look at the robot

[balmy condor]

I mean it's somewhere in wowhead

but cant be fucked remembering that nonsense

waste of brain space

[limber lion]

Also diminishing returns happens multiple times, it's not one singular breakpoint

[balmy condor]

it's like 39 and then steps of 8 maybe

like 39 47 55 63?

but you would have to convert that into assa mastery

[rotund oak]

much less,it starts around 4-4.5k

[balmy condor]

idk

[ocean oyster]

I see

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[ocean oyster]

Im kinda maxed out so trying to optimize my stats a bit

had 9k mastery so i think i had too much

[rotund oak]

use a droptimizer

[limber lion]

You don't need to look at your stats

At all

Ever

You just use Top Gear in Raidbots

And use whatever sims the highest there

The difference between ultra giga minmax stat setup and a normal whatever stats

is like less than 0.5% probably

[rotund oak]

i think outside hekili we should ban stat weight sims as well

like when someone says stat weights or hekili boom

[limber lion]

But you just sim Top Gear with most enchant/gem combos and that's it

[royal lantern]

raidbots itself barely supports statweights allready

like, you have go out of your way to even do that sim

[balmy condor]

idk why they don't just flat out remove it

force people to do it in advanced sim if they REALLY want to

[ruby birch]

I mean it’s not completely useless it’s just very misleading

[rotund oak]

yeah 😅

[balmy condor]

very misleading is useless lmao

[rotund oak]

its like idk,when i went to mage discord and saw ppl simming vers over mastery on frost mage i literally asked why,no one would answer

[balmy condor]

name me a theorycrafter that runs stat weights

any single one

any guide writer

[ruby birch]

Me

[rotund oak]

[ruby birch]

Although I can’t find stat weights anymore

[rotund oak]

its a custom sim

[ruby birch]

I theorycraft degeneracy

[rotund oak]

lolol

[balmy condor]

yeh idk man

[ruby birch]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

I mean you can't claim it's useful and then in the same sentence say its misleading

that's dented

[ruby birch]

That dust prepull wouldn’t have come to me without stat weights

[balmy condor]

what dust prepull

[royal lantern]

dont

just dont

those 2 words togheter are allready cursed enough

[ruby birch]

He deleted it from memory LMAO

[limber lion]

No as in

Why would stat weights matter at all in this context

[ruby birch]

I’m just memein

[limber lion]

How does stat weights and dust prepull go together

[ruby birch]

It’s a garbage sim

[limber lion]

monkas

[ruby birch]

I’m not sure why it’s there either I honestly didn’t even know it was still there

[balmy condor]

you are a strange man

[rotund oak]

that was even stranger than me trolling

ok im stretching but still

[ruby birch]

Happens when you cope for shuriken combo

[rotund oak]

bruh

its fine

[ruby birch]

Did you really delete that memory though

[chrome sail]

what do in m+ when tanks dont give u restealths

[ruby birch]

It was such a cherished moment 🥺

[ruby birch]

Spread dots the good ol way

[ocean oyster]

manually rupture everything

[rotund oak]

u dont rly need restealths,FoK=>rupture and send ur dance/kb on cd

[earnest remnant]

i do for fun just to see how it looks with a certain amount of stats

[ruby birch]

There it is

[rotund oak]

before he laughs at them^^

let the racoon man finish his bait

[earnest remnant]

well i dont use it for anything

[ruby birch]

Entertainment

[earnest remnant]

i just enjoy seeing how much other stats sucks for sub

[rotund oak]

we using a haste on equip trinket

[ruby birch]

Haste not that bad when you’re low on it as sub

[rotund oak]

debatable tbh

mastery has an interaction as for the haste quantity iirc on sub

as in it gets value

[limber lion]

Not debatable

[earnest remnant]

well haste becomes good when you have almost nothing

[limber lion]

If robot says it's good, it's good

If robot says bad, it's bad

[earnest remnant]

its just how stats work

[ruby birch]

Crit took a massive fall for sub since the rework

[rotund oak]

nothing to some.. thats why we will end up in the robot fence 🤝

[ruby birch]

Seal fate so strong

[earnest remnant]

Seal fate was fuckin broken

[ruby birch]

Although the gameplay during that time

:)

Made me change my name here

[rotund oak]

no way

[plush gorge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[ruby birch]

Yeah I mean it was bad

That accursed button became too strong

[earnest remnant]

you thought you wanted it

[rotund oak]

still does

its like the crush u never had

[earnest remnant]

gloomblade should just replace backstab perm

old ass 2004 spell

just 4fun right

thats with 9% haste

[calm tendon]

stat weights sim has since how much years issues?

[earnest remnant]

it was always flawed

it was never good

[limber lion]

Ever since they introduced Top Gear

[balmy condor]

I guess legion

[earnest remnant]

back before topgear, you just didn't really have an alternative to it

[balmy condor]

2016

[limber lion]

AskMrRobot

[earnest remnant]

soonTM 2ndaries are gonna overtake mainstat

[tall jay]

I used askmrrobot for years. Even when I came back from the my extend break

Whatever happened to him…I miss him

[balmy condor]

they're still around peddling nonsense like always

[tall jay]

Ah, maybe he needs to see a doctor

[balmy condor]

AskMrDoctor

maybe askmrrobot owns webmd as well

would be consistent at least

terrible information, scraping your personal info for adsense

the pieces are fitting

[tall jay]

Agreed

[slate crown]

stat weights had a place in like, vanilla- wotlk era when you had to compare some amount of AP vs +crit chance vs Agi on gear and you didn't have a simulator to run to

But that's not because it was inherently good

it was just the best heuristic you had available at the time and was "good enough" for the degree it mattered back then

And even then you knew what the best pieces were because in that context bis lists made more sense, as gear pieces were gear pieces and you didn't have a giant mishmash of any-stat-you-want from any pieces all over the place, and had specific hit thresholds you aimed for, etc

I remember shadowpanther, was that what it was called?

[gusty mirage]

If you added 595 Agility to your character, each point would add an average of 15.93 DPS (this does not guarantee that 1 Agility = 15.93 DPS)

[ocean oyster]

Any tips for talondras in uldaman? I cant seem to survive in a 14

[gusty mirage]

that's the stomp boss right

[ocean oyster]

yeah

[slate crown]

You can technically dodge the stop, can evasion it

[ocean oyster]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

ask for an external tbh, assa's survivability is kinda cursed

[ocean oyster]

but the earthen shard + stomp

Fucks me if i dont have evasion up

If i get it twice im dead

[gusty mirage]

if you have an augvoker or pally to clear the bleed that helps a lot

but it's just fucked

[turbid harbor]

this was an assa sim i did at 525 ilvl, pretty close

[limber lion]

There's no one correct way to sim for Mythic+. Dslice is a decent overall sim that gives you a decent picture of what you want gearing wise

But you can do stuff like low cleave, high aoe, adds, single target and so on and then look at all the sims and kinda figure what you want on your own

Mythic+ is a massive environment with all combat styles, scenarios and encounters, there's no best way to gear or sim for it

You will always lose out on ST by going full AOE

You will lose out on AOE by going full ST

You will lose out on both by going cleave

[spice surge]

M+ is just very difficult to model in sims

[limber lion]

You kinda have to make that choice by yourself

If you're looking for overall, you want to lean towards more AoE setups

If you want to look to kill the bosses, you want more ST

[turbid harbor]

from memory dslice sims are more weighted to single target than what i was looking for when playing

but not by much

[limber lion]

You should just run the bleed setup always unless you're pushing very high keys.

If you're only pugging mythic+, just run the bleed setup and you'll be fine

There's too many variables, including tanks, team comps, routes and so on

[soft niche]

I see ... makes sense. thanks!
Just one more question. What do you mean with bleed setup ?

[limber lion]

Shouldn't copy what the top pushers do, because they're playing team comps and routes that the player can work around, which normal puggers cannot obviously do.

[limber lion]

The bleed talent setup with AP and Sudden Demise.

Just run the normal typical gear as you would anywhere else with the normal trinket combo

With the bleed talents

and you're chilling

[soft niche]

I see, thanks!

[limber lion]

But are you pushing 18's?

[limber lion]

npnp

[soft niche]

i'm doing some 14s - 15s

[limber lion]

Yeah you can just slam the bleed setup everywhere and chill

Normal gear and trinkets and blast

Zoomzoom

[gusty mirage]

what's your favorite flavor of crayon

mine is the green one

[royal lantern]

blue

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1253626850748534846/RTmF5jiysTbdmUIq.mp4?ex=66792d7c&is=6677dbfc&hm=fb8d1b780e00ef09cac1c39e20ccbba1de450b4771d05e248f19d642e4a2aded&

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

Orange

[limber lion]

Bubblegum pink

[blazing jewel]

[cunning quarry]

Is there a go to YouTuber for assassination rogue? Can't play rn but wanted to do watch some content to get more familiar

[soft niche]

https://www.twitch.tv/zerocoolx not youtuber but streamer, he has some povs in youtube too

[cunning quarry]

Ah nice! I'll see what I can learn from him

[normal mist]

You'll learn to ETA GG

[cunning quarry]

Huh?

[earnest remnant]

learn to estimated time of arrival good game

yep yep

[normal mist]

xD

[limber lion]

[slate crown]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793/playlists be in the name of like follow and subscribe

[blazing jewel]

HIYA!

[earnest remnant]

BIYA!

[slate crown]

(I'm unhinged)

[limber lion]

Whispyr 🔛 🔝

[cunning quarry]

Oh fuck yeah this is perfect ❤️

Does SIN have snapshot mechanics like feral?

[slate crown]

Only one (or two depending on how you count)

Nightstalker in the class tree is a snapshot buff, 10% damage for abilities applied in stealth (and shadow dance/subterfuge)

[cunning quarry]

Sadly with both hands

[slate crown]

Though, this is going away in TWW

The only other one we have is the improved garrote talent, though that only applies to garrote. That's it, every other damage modifier is dynamic

[cunning quarry]

Okay thanks! I quite liked the snapshot mechanic but it's gonna be nice not having to track how strong my bleeds are and whether to overwrite

[stable pasture]

Is it normal for brood ring to not sim amazingly?

am confused-ish

everyne is running it

[normal mist]

It is dependant on your gear overall

are you upgrading it to 535?

[slate crown]

The only thing you should have to worry about overwriting is Garrote for improved garrote. That's it. Every other effect that would be snapped either can't be overwritten because it has a cooldown (Kingsbane), is out of our control, or is Rupture, and Rupture's damage is meh, it's not that big of a deal if you overwrite it or try to apply it.

[pseudo hamlet]

It became my BIS after I upgraded my whole gear(I am almost in BIS gear, just need off-hand from DOTI).

[normal mist]

Ok saw the sim, yes

[stable pasture]

yer on s4 raider vendors 535 is like 2k decrease

[normal mist]

Don't forget you could also add a gem to it, which the sim isnt doing

[cunning quarry]

Okay that's good, sounds like I won't need as many WA trackers for SIN 🙂

Thank youu

[slate crown]

Just imp garrote

np

[normal mist]

I'm not a SIM expert, but maybe you have a LOT of mastery already and it is prioritizing crit now?

[limber lion]

It is very normal for the Brood ring to sim worse than your current ring

You would have to insert the Brood ring into a Top Gear sim

To sim all enchants/gems and whatnot with it

Droptimizer does not tell you anything when it comes to that unfortunately

With a ring as massively leaning towards one stat like the Brood ring, you will definitely need rearrange your stats/enchants/gems a bit with it

[stable pasture]

Will test in topgear

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sP16HsyReB3jGvwAeyBaat

This should be it, but it's gonna take a while

[stable pasture]

Yer i just started a long one to, re-moved around my crafted stuff to also sim haste/mastery etc..

Just wasn't sure if worth getting brood ring before the

erm

sark cape

[limber lion]

If the ring is an upgrade, I would probs get it just because of the fact that the cape is super annoying in Mythic+

as it breaks stealth consistently

[stable pasture]

yer would just use stat cape in m+

i guess

[limber lion]

Ye

[stable pasture]

my sim

519 star band lul, i do need to change my cape generally gonna farm the RLP one

[gusty mirage]

I reckon if you change your neck it'll change

cause you're absolutely juiced on mastery so a super heavy mastery ring is kinda meh to the robot despite the ilvl difference

• it has a socket, and iirc sockets on rings adds like 10-15ish ilvl to it

so ideally you'd sim the brood ring with a socket as well cause you'll eventually socket it

[limber lion]

Yeh still missing the socket from that sim

[stable pasture]

ah ok yer

spamming keys so should be able to upgrade all/most things

maybe i spend a spark on crafting torc neck

Only other neck I have is the rare one ouroboreal necklet which is just huge vers

[gusty mirage]

huge vers items are good for assa too

it kinda likes all stats

so you'd be surprised

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sP16HsyReB3jGvwAeyBaat

[stable pasture]

ok will add a socket to ring and test that neck to

[gusty mirage]

im simming the ring w/ a socket and the other neck for you rn

[limber lion]

Even without changing the neck, the ring wins here

It's a 0.5% upgrade

Haste/Crit gems, vers enchants

[gusty mirage]

yeah you were just giga juiced on mastery

[limber lion]

Now let's do the neck

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qqKpyg9A5cNuPehemQrfGS (this is without changing gems so feel free to run yours still)

[limber lion]

Yeah this is just the highest setup there

and changing gems/enchants

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rfvTv4JgkzKvtFduzjVCxB

[stable pasture]

Ok cool will also re-run, appreciate your help

[gusty mirage]

essentially with assassination, since it loves all stats, something as simple as regemming/reenchanting can turn a slight downgrade into a decent upgrade (0.5% in cev's above sim)

[limber lion]

You don't have to rerun

We did that already for you

Just follow the sims

[gusty mirage]

did simming shit always take this long

wtf

[limber lion]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

this is without gems/enchant swapping and its taking forever

[stable pasture]

Ah ok I was gonna re-run like top-gear with all my gear variations because still looked like the non brood was 346k and brood 343.4

[stable pasture]

I wish that

they made it opensource

and you could run it locally

but would take them fkin huge hours

and doubt they get paid for it

so ye

[gusty mirage]

you technically could run it with a local simc build

but that's madness

[limber lion]

Well the end number doesn't matter when comparing your and my sim

You just look at the number below

[stable pasture]

Ah ok

[limber lion]

This is what matters

But yeah you can rerun it with your settings if you're running something else

[stable pasture]

also this is dslice i think

not sure if matters

[gusty mirage]

oh shit

[limber lion]

It might matter slightly if you're using different uptime on BSL and Corrupting Flask

[gusty mirage]

I didn't even notice

no wonder its taking forever

[limber lion]

Which all affect stats

[gusty mirage]

[obtuse sable]

Grieftorch is the only fire output we have for the Diurna ring ye?

[limber lion]

No

Helm Enchant

[obtuse sable]

My champ

[spice surge]

You can run simc locally, but it requires a boatload extra effort and would require you to manually make the profiles instead of doing it via topgear

[obtuse sable]

Forgot to enchant the new head from vault

[stable pasture]

yer i want all the raidbots features

just run locally lol

[gusty mirage]

oh would you look at that

patchwerk is zooming

[spice surge]

Ye dslice takes forever

[obtuse sable]

Still beat the lock without it 😄

[limber lion]

420 blaze it

weedweedweed

[gilded oasis]

420 smok em if you got em

[gusty mirage]

dude I was tripping out I was like whyt he fuck is this taking so long

but I'm just stupid

[spice surge]

Me too bud, me too

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ex4z8HvEkqfoVfp7jmH5HR @stable pasture

[limber lion]

Sus

[gusty mirage]

that's just adding a socket + gem + enchant to it

[limber lion]

You forgot the neck

[gusty mirage]

[gilded oasis]

I wish someone would add a socket to me

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[gilded oasis]

[gusty mirage]

I cancel my sub and can't even sim properly anymore

I'm washed

[gilded oasis]

washed and dried

[shy pecan]

*Free FIFY

[limber lion]

60%

🕺

[slate crown]

Looks like frog is plugging one nostril and blowing out the other causing it to explode

[gusty mirage]

oh shit thanks for reminding me guys

I need to cancel my raidbots sub too

[gilded oasis]

accurate

[gilded oasis]

poor raidbots, now they're gonna starve

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Orange 🔛 🔝

[gilded oasis]

[limber lion]

I wonder if Seri is light yellow

Artifact boy

[gusty mirage]

wtf is orange

[limber lion]

TC account

[gusty mirage]

theorycraft deez nuts bud

[shy pecan]

Orange you glad you know me?

[limber lion]

🫡

I kinda wanna play a pewpew game