assassination

[proven jasper]

nah its just sad atm no matter how you try to flip it

[dark token]

Bonespike is sad

[fleet coral]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[proven jasper]

no IW is a massive oof yeah

the tww change is so good for bonespike

cannot wait for that for sure

[clever sapphire]

sure its good, but how are you gonna talent into it

[proven jasper]

pray blizzard fucking does something about doomblade

[clever sapphire]

like i dont see a way for the shock build to take it (crab or ap build or whatever you wanna call it)

[proven jasper]

Swap MA and doomblade positions

Fixed

maybe

[clever sapphire]

heck i can only see a way for it in the hybrid build

like i legit dont know how to talent doomspike

[proven jasper]

yeah thats really sus

me no like

[clever sapphire]

i got it

[proven jasper]

Having to take doomblade and not arterial hurts my fucking soul

man

[clever sapphire]

aight removed 1 shiv charge for ct

but still no ap

[cursive owl]

not so bad for a 35%$ wipe

[clever sapphire]

35% wipe is gonna be your time to shine

execute incoming

[cursive owl]

ye

[proven jasper]

true its climbing time

Nothing feels better than full cds in execute

[runic hinge]

@shy pecan this one is for you

[clever sapphire]

faaaalse, declining all the aug players in your keys is fun

[proven jasper]

good point

[cursive owl]

tbh

[proven jasper]

[cursive owl]

i think i still put the Opener wrong

x)

i do shiv > Tea > DM > Ashes > SD+KB makro

wait O_O

do i even need tea ?

[cursive owl]

i mean more mastery = more dmg no ?

[proven jasper]

you dont NEED one at the start but some people do that

it doesnt really matter

[clever sapphire]

i mean you caaaan do that on opener, i jsut tea at the last 6 sec

[cursive owl]

[proven jasper]

Its literally a 0.1-0.2 difference

[cursive owl]

OK

[proven jasper]

I also just tea last 6 seconds

[clever sapphire]

also its envenom - dm - shiv- dance/kb

[proven jasper]

Yeah ur shiv a little early

[clever sapphire]

not shiv - dm

[cursive owl]

i put envenom as "general knowledge"

[clever sapphire]

it was more targeted towards your shiv before dm

[proven jasper]

As long as shiv covers all of kb its fine

[cursive owl]

i go apply the bleeds, 1 snd 1 envenom and then start KB opener

yes yes

it does 😄

i have it tracking :>

[clever sapphire]

aight then its fine

[cursive owl]

look my fancy KB bar OwO

[proven jasper]

What am i looking at

[clever sapphire]

a picture

obviously

[proven jasper]

Are those ur cps

That look like black void things

[cursive owl]

<< artistic , it changes every 2 months xD

[proven jasper]

That’s wild

[cursive owl]

yes

it is

thats no cp's

[proven jasper]

I mean more power too ya

If it works it works

[cursive owl]

wanna see the UFO Kappa ?

HP bar

[clever sapphire]

i dont even know about my hp half the time

hidden in the top left corner

[proven jasper]

same

[cursive owl]

O_O

[proven jasper]

I only find out until my screen is flashing red

[clever sapphire]

i press defensive when shit happens

[upper kraken]

how can it be all use Manic Grieftorch and Ashes of the Embersoul bot if i sim it Ashes of the Embersoul and Cataclysmic signet Brand sims better why do no ones play thes to ?

[slate crown]

[proven jasper]

Brand is good but only really on 5+ minute fights because it requires stacking up

[cursive owl]

grieftorch better because ON USE , cata sim better cause better passive effect

[clever sapphire]

signet is a trinket that gets better the longer a fight goes, grieftorch is always good and if even 1 guy dies its already better than signet

[cursive owl]

what those ppl say UwU

[proven jasper]

With greif and ashes ur always getting lots of value out of them

even on short fights

[forest nacelle]

[cursive owl]

im short one aguryr trinket

Bone !

i did figure out

[clever sapphire]

also signet can be a little biatch and proc so little it doesnt do anything

[cursive owl]

The Red snake Trinket

[proven jasper]

Truth

[cursive owl]

Is gigachad when u have high crit in M+

in 5+ enemy pulls i do like 15% of dmg with that trinket

[proven jasper]

Oh the snake idol thing

[cursive owl]

ye

[proven jasper]

i was using that on outlaw last season

Went hard af

[cursive owl]

well

[clever sapphire]

is it really that good? i never used it

[cursive owl]

im aiming crit cap

[proven jasper]

It’s surprisingly decent

idk about amazing

[cursive owl]

I do like it

[forest nacelle]

its a meh trinket w/o crit tho

[clever sapphire]

but is it as good of a passive trinket as echo trinket that just randomly hugs you outside of your cooldowns?

i dont think so

[proven jasper]

Yeah with crit it gets alot better

[forest nacelle]

yea

[proven jasper]

yeah no probably not

I love getting hugged by big void old god

That floats behind me

[clever sapphire]

same, need to get the trinket for m+

even if grieftorch is big

i do enjoy just not having to think about trinkets

[cursive owl]

snake idol i can recommend of testing in m+ OwO

[proven jasper]

High rolling echo feels so good too

[cursive owl]

because snake idol does "procc" from Dot Crits from your poison and bleed

[clever sapphire]

imagine echo/wafting/sark cloak/pi/bloodlust during smolderon intermission in execute, now that is a 100% log if i ever heard about one

[proven jasper]

I have a 98-99 or something parse from when it was current due to getting echo procs in legit all my dm windows

[cursive owl]

i wanna test agury trinket

w<

[potent raven]

or gnarl

[clever sapphire]

tru

like that guy with private log

[proven jasper]

this is a pants changing moment

[cursive owl]

WAIT

[potent raven]

yes

tokin

he procd everything there

[cursive owl]

theres a itemrestore option Owo

[potent raven]

beastmode

[clever sapphire]

did you delete your augury?

[potent raven]

i have a clip of

1m opener on nymue

with fucked up vanish

and spatter

proccing wafting

[clever sapphire]

i also had a 1m opener on sark last week, got 2 wafting procs in opener during bl/pi

probably used up all my luck there

[potent raven]

yeahh

do u have sark cape?

i bought it rn just for raid

[clever sapphire]

nah

i bought a weapon/2 trinkets and eranog ring

[potent raven]

my gear kinda good rn

[clever sapphire]

kinda regret eranog ring

[upper kraken]

What will be best for me to use from Trinket which will probably progress 4 maybe 5 mythic bosses?

[potent raven]

ashes

why?

its good ring

u can multispec with it too

[clever sapphire]

i dont multispec so tahts whatever

but it does like 0.2%-0.5%

could have gotten sark cape or hugging squid instead

[potent raven]

ingore my cape

its for m+

using sark for raids

but ye i feel u

i think its good stats anyway

[vestal wren]

it looks nice, but also difficult to read

[potent raven]

even for assa

[clever sapphire]

simmed like 100dps increase for me

so if i simmed 2 more times it prob would have been a dps decrease

[potent raven]

next week we're crafting something

and getting tier helm

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

cant craft shit so im not even combining

[potent raven]

i dont have crests im alrd capped

its funny i havent pushed m+ at all this week

[clever sapphire]

i dont have a use for crests, im capped

[potent raven]

i just updated everything

ugraded*

[clever sapphire]

im just done, wont even run sims anymore

either i take sark cloak and squid or nothing

[potent raven]

odamn

u finished the game already

[clever sapphire]

there is a high chance for dps increase with recrafting and neck and whatnot

[potent raven]

no nicholas..

[clever sapphire]

but i dont care about minmax

xD

[clever sapphire]

not willing to go in that dungeon

[potent raven]

i did it hahaha

i sat and waited for 3 hours

to make a proper grp

ppl were wiping and quitting

[clever sapphire]

is it still that hard?

[potent raven]

2nd boss

is horrible

[cursive owl]

for me its fine :> but i can edit it any time i want ^^

[clever sapphire]

2nd boss is the same but with a frontal no?

[cursive owl]

and no

[potent raven]

yes

[cursive owl]

never had augury

[potent raven]

but people are stupid

[cursive owl]

qwq

[past bobcat]

Dagger is still 3k dps for me

[cursive owl]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-derp-tongue-out-gif-8169679

[proven jasper]

People have never known how to do that boss properly lmao

[past bobcat]

And Im pretty much bis geared lol

[proven jasper]

Everytime ive pugged it healer just runs around like a headless chicken

Same with most ranged

[potent raven]

yea

man last season i nearly timed 29 fall

but wiped to last boss shield

[clever sapphire]

last season gave me ptsd from that whole megadungeon

[potent raven]

its a fun dungeon

rise yes

fall is alright

[clever sapphire]

iridikron parry, every boss in the other part

[proven jasper]

Fun with a group

[cursive owl]

RiP

[clever sapphire]

dragon skip on that bridge thingy

[potent raven]

thats the worst trinket in the game

proc trinkets are so bad

[clever sapphire]

he is hard stacking crit

so its not bad for him

[potent raven]

critmaxxxing

[proven jasper]

Serpentmaxxing

[clever sapphire]

also dagger would be 2.5k dps upgrade for me in offhand

but im not willing

[potent raven]

o wow

thats pretty big

[proven jasper]

Ya quite a bit of suffering for 2.5k dps

[balmy condor]

0.8% dps

[cursive owl]

sense

[proven jasper]

[cursive owl]

trinket is dealing 15% in trash pulls in m+

highest overall i had was 21%

in s3 at least

[potent raven]

yuge

i had that in 489 but i never done assa keys back then

[cursive owl]

x)

[potent raven]

just outlaw

[cursive owl]

assa for life OwO

[potent raven]

n sub

i was quite a beast

[cursive owl]

sub subscribes in secret to assa players to learn how to play better OwO

[potent raven]

wish i was that good rn

[balmy condor]

haha pink numbers

haha

pink is a girl color

you're a girl

haha

[proven jasper]

Owned

[balmy condor]

liberals shall never recover

[slate crown]

Get sark cloak, catalyst it for M+, then get another sark cloak for raid

[clever sapphire]

so all paladins are girls confirmed

[potent raven]

https://tenor.com/view/hanabi-sparkle-honkai-star-rail-cry-gif-9595241800219921224

[subtle tundra]

i'd kill for 0.8% dps in a senseless season

[cursive owl]

i like OwO

[spice spire]

Brother sense is literally playing, see screenshot above

?

[balmy condor]

log in bestie it's doti time

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt care for .8% dps even if i was playing

[proven jasper]

Ive already served my time in doti jail

Never again

[subtle tundra]

do you know what sounding is? its similar to doing doti

basically the same

[potent raven]

lolol

[proven jasper]

True

[cursive owl]

i think i will design a custom interface wa for me :3 just to make sure it looks beautiful OwO

[potent raven]

youre not a masochist

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sounding-gif-24179006

[subtle tundra]

you dont know me

[balmy condor]

yeah I've listened to the beatles before

I'm familiar with sound

[subtle tundra]

i like dua lipa, pretty sure its the same as beatles

so we're alike

[marble hemlock]

i too like music and sound things.

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/pusheen-unicorn-pusheenicorn-beautiful-cat-gif-18184674

[cursive owl]

YES OwO

[slate crown]

Saw you're using them already but I love the blizzard progress bar textures they added for Maelstrom/Fury/Insanity etc, look very nice

I still like the solid texture for energy but I'll probably poke around with the other options when I revamp for tww

[cursive owl]

yeee

i will revamp tww also

i think i will take part of illidan blades

[potent raven]

i need to make a wa that tracks procs

[cursive owl]

what kinda

[balmy condor]

@slate crown can you make weakauras work on alpha pls

[potent raven]

weapon enchants/sark cloak etc.

[balmy condor]

my brain is exploding

[cursive owl]

hahaha

whispyr :3

[balmy condor]

no plater, no weakauras

just me and details

and having to track these fucking marks in aoe

separate from my caustic target

and also all my bleeds

opener is fine, after opener is tough, and then having to find a way to go back into openers actually splits my head in half I can't even conceptualize all the things I need to do

[cursive owl]

whispyr daddy, do we have a list of changes yet for sin ? in tww ? im blind

[balmy condor]

there's a couple of pins in #tww-assassination

[cursive owl]

Oki

[marble hemlock]

have you tried pressing buttons?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cursive owl]

did u tried to reload ?

[balmy condor]

many times

[cursive owl]

ok

do you need mental help ?

[balmy condor]

it's hard to know how I'm supposed to play around these stupid fucking marks though

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831247723054628876/1245677811142885406/image.png?ex=665a481d&is=6658f69d&hm=c6064fc1be1f209f68b17447f87b4e22da1f9b1781c73e7326418e78bab98574&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=618&height=253

[marble hemlock]

hes beyond the scope of modern medicine

[balmy condor]

cause what the fuck

am I supposed to do with this

I can't even tell what the intent is damage wise

[cursive owl]

O_O

[marble hemlock]

sick singular focus dam

[balmy condor]

thank you

[marble hemlock]

glad to see max was right with that B-Tier funnel damage assessment

[balmy condor]

that's 5 minutes on the 4 target dummies in boralus

[cursive owl]

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831247723054628876/1245677807342719017/image.png?ex=665a481c&is=6658f69c&hm=960e9099faa3983d483862a8d1008dbd00d98a188f4b5598608db8b317e88038&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=631&height=682

on the plus side

rupture damage

pog

[subtle tundra]

HUAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW .8% DPS?!?!

AS MUCH AS A DAGGER FROM DOTI

[balmy condor]

that 4% from corrupted blood btw

is the only thing that's even reasonable

[marble hemlock]

ye i mean

[balmy condor]

fatebound stuff doesn't do shit for damage either

and like I get "numbers don't matter"

I agree

[marble hemlock]

i think its safe to say that they threw deathstalker out there because they "needed" all hero trees to be available prior to moving to beta, but this definitely aint it

[balmy condor]

but they're like

not even close to a ballpark number

usually things go up with numbers that are semi-reasonable

and you get things that are way too strong and way too weak and then eventually it gets tuned

but it feels like they didn't even bother making an attempt to get close

[vestal wren]

possible due to datamining too

[cursive owl]

is it Difficult to add a "progress texture" in wa ?

[balmy condor]

not really

[vestal wren]

do we know a target they aim for?

[balmy condor]

weakaura discord also has great documentation

[balmy condor]

the trees as a whole should be around 25% worth of power

[vestal wren]

that sounds big

[cursive owl]

i see oki thanjks

[balmy condor]

I mean it sounds big

but it's also 10 dps talents

or 9?

9

[vestal wren]

yes, but some are more passive

[balmy condor]

so like, if the initial node, and the capstone are 10% combined, then we're looking at 15% for the other 7 nodes

2-3% per node

kinda adds up

[willow kite]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

like the fatebound capstone is easy to estimate the impact

that's around 5%

and I assume tails/heads are going to be tuned similarly

math kinda adds up to make the coin and the capstone 10-12%

without any of the talents that augment them

[royal lantern]

THE FUNNEL

OMG THE FUNNEL

B TIER

THE FUNNEL IS SO INSANE

[tepid glacier]

[balmy condor]

well, not right now

BUT THE VISION

[royal lantern]

idk why but i just loved that part cus of how insane it sounded

sees a node that says "3% of your dmg to other targets is done to this single target with a mark, and you cant really juggle them marks fast anyway in aoe rn cus the desing is borderline not functional"

and just turns brain off and goes "YEHA THIS IS STRONG CUS IT SAYS FUNNEL"

[proven jasper]

[balmy condor]

[proven jasper]

Can only get better from here for deathstalker right

[balmy condor]

ofc

I can't imagine a way it gets worse

we've already hit rock bottom

[proven jasper]

yeah i really cannot either

[vestal wren]

don't jinx it

[balmy condor]

blizzard deciding to take delves literally

pulling out the pickaxe as we speak

they're gonna hit rock bottom and keep digging

[subtle tundra]

idk just copy poe

add fossils and resonators so we can craft our gear

[spice spire]

That’s a lie king

You don’t pull out

[proven jasper]

[copper hazel]

throw in a quick Aul for a nice double proc neck and we talking

[subtle tundra]

^ holy shit we're farming for adorned next expansion?

[royal lantern]

"we heared your concern regarding the marks beeing applied by ambush and shadowstrike causing problems, now its applied by using Fan of Knives and Shuriken Storm from stealth" followed by nothing else and a 4page fire mage update

[copper hazel]

only if I can get oxi-touched luck

[subtle tundra]

blue gems have double effect

[balmy condor]

I would riot

[keen spruce]

Why would you put this out in the universe

This is how we ended up with outlaw rogues and lizards

[royal lantern]

hey

lizards are cool

just aug is too much BS at once

[keen spruce]

Imagine making lizards, putting those thick boi guards in valdrakken, and not giving them a tank spec

[royal lantern]

yes sure, give me the furry bait draknoids uwu

unironically, devestation is the first time i actually had fun playing a caster in wow

[clever sapphire]

why are there so many mop news, i dont care about mop, gimme hero talent news

[royal lantern]

for more then 2hours

[royal lantern]

wowhead gonna wowhead and push out every single crumb that comes out

[balmy condor]

people keep clicking on them

[spice surge]

Tbf nowadays blizzard usually batches everything on the same day as the alpha/beta patch

So wowhead news on weekends are usually kinda whatever

[marble hemlock]

the funniest thing is that we all know that IF the funnel would be as good as people expect it to be, it'd get nerfed into oblivion within minutes anyway cuz blizz doesnt want that kind of funnel existing anymore

[balmy condor]

"we" all know

[slate crown]

They have an alpha build available #1238532946571296860 message

Also the alpha version on Curseforge should work

[balmy condor]

well

[slate crown]

That said, I can't test it myself to verify the chain of making it functional cause no alpha access

[balmy condor]

it dont

madge

but I also needed an addon to fix other addons

[slate crown]

If I had alpha access I'd have put in the effort to make it work

[balmy condor]

alpha addons are still a disaster

[slate crown]

yeah I'm not surprised

[balmy condor]

maybe I reinstall and try again

I couldn't even get the alpha details to work until I had someone zip their addon folder to me

disaster

[marble hemlock]

i lived through the great funnel-bonk of Zul

[slate crown]

yeah maybe try again :/

[marble hemlock]

i still remember what it was like

[slate crown]

I am not sure

That was 3 days ago

[balmy condor]

yeh I tried yesterday

think I probably wait until next alpha build

and hope it fixes something in the background

[slate crown]

I'm going to be fervently trying to get it to work come next week but so will bajillions of other people I'm sure

Assuming I'm in the first wave

[royal lantern]

i still cant get over the fact that they did a fuck up

removed the problem

then NUKED the spec into obilivionfor the rest of the expansion for no reason at all

like, what the fuck

[marble hemlock]

i can believe it. wasnt the first time, wont be the last

[balmy condor]

maybe dungeons can actually be queued

I made an hpal to help queue for it

[slate crown]

Was the problem just lack of people?

[balmy condor]

you ever see me play hpal?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slate crown]

why would I have seen you play hpal lol

[balmy condor]

idk

but I've never played it in my life

so I would be surprised

[spice spire]

Return of whispyr monk when

[slate crown]

desparate times

[royal lantern]

its just

the problem was gone

why did they just keep kicking it down for the next 2 years after that lol

meanwhile bfa also had warlock/spriest and they did nothing

remember BoD/Crucible, where the best dps comp was more or less "1 dh, 1 mage, rest stack sspriest and warlocks"

[cursive owl]

°^°

if i manage to make my WA fianly done , may i post it in here and u guys tell me if looks good :3 ?

[vestal wren]

don't trust im he is the bad guy from day of tentacles

(i am just joking)

[slate crown]

I don't know the reference D:

[fluid drift]

If i play the aoe CLEAVE build from wowhead in filler rotation, do i change target to dot garrote and rupture or not?

[balmy condor]

rupture and garrote give energy

so you should be using them to get energy

[sand ice]

Nokhud in elemental area. Which target to cleave off? Since totems seem immune to bleeds

[junior aurora]

the named mob

its the named mob for every pull in nokhud

[sand ice]

tyty

what i been doing o7

[runic hinge]

NO kinda a banger for just having a big mob to cleave off every pull

[left radish]

Is there a pin anywhere on which assa streamers you can watch? I'd preferably like one, that has the addon/wa which displays which abilities are being pressed

[balmy condor]

We have a streamer channel #rogue-streamers

Other than that, no

Making a pin like that quickly leads to favoritism and “why am I not on there” and “why is XYZ higher on the list than me” etc etc

[left radish]

Understandable. Still, is there someone with the streamer wa/addon? I'm not very good at the game and tracking spells without that is very very hard for me and I'd really like to see what people actually do in practice compared to the theory

[proven jasper]

you mean trufiGCD?

think thats what ur lookin for

[left radish]

Something like that, only for oneself though. Details has that as well. Just something so I know what the streamer is pressing so I can better understand what cooldowns the person uses in which circumstances to get a feel for it. Just standard learning by watching

[silk bane]

u can watch zerocool

[left radish]

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out!

[calm mirage]

Is rehkili reliable for assass?

[spice spire]

Gonna assume hekili. No

[calm mirage]

Yup

[rotund oak]

dont use hekili

period

[vestal copper]

there's no way to mog a sword onto daggers as a sin is there?

[runic hinge]

No

[vestal copper]

life is suffering indeed. thanks.

[ancient tangle]

The haste only affect tick rates of dots isn't it ? It doesn't increase the damage done by the dots right ?

[spice surge]

Well having more ticks means it does more damage overall, but yes it doesnt increase the damage of the ticks

[ancient tangle]

Ah ok I misunderstood, I thought the total dmg was the same but only the frequency changed

[spice surge]

No the duration remains the same, so increased frequence of ticks means youll get more ticks overall

(and theres no discreet breakpoints or anything, the last tick can be 1/3 of a tick, 1/2 of a tick, 1/6 of a tick etc)

[ancient tangle]

Yes but I tough the ticks were adjusted to reach the same amount of total dmg

Oh ok

Thx Eleem 🙂

But for say rupture that says the amount of dmg it will do in X seconds, the tooltip shows the dmg adjusted with haste ?

[spice surge]

Idk tooltips in wow are famously unreliable

[ancient tangle]

Ye ..

[spice surge]

I wouldnt put any weight on what the tooltip says, you just have to hit dummies to find out

[ancient tangle]

Ye it's more reliable ^^

Ok but the basic is that a dot as a base dmg per tick and the haste is adjusting the frequency

If I understand correctly

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ancient tangle]

Ok thx ^^

Another thing why don't use 2 charges of Tea every 1 min ? To cover almost the entirety of KingsBane Dot and to empower Deathmark and the duplicated dots (every 2minutes) ?

[spice surge]

You cannot use a spell with a 1 minute cd twice every minute

And while yes, it does have extra stacks, its more worth to use em for energy than empowering the meek start of kb

[ancient tangle]

Ok

But couldn't it be worth to empower Deathmark?

[rotund oak]

it might not be that worth if u have ur envenom chain broken coz no energy

we normally want 1 tea to cover those last KB ticks

its what eleem said^^

[ancient tangle]

Yes ok

Ye I'm not contradicting Eleem, I'm just wondering ^^

Ok so we can't empower DM because envenom chain is hard to maintain

[spice surge]

The main part of tea is the energy

If you use two of them during deathmark youll surely waste some it, which is not good

[rotund oak]

didnt say u do,just pointing out the obvious,sin needs energy to chain those envenom coz its good dmg

and what eleem said about wasting some of it^^

[ancient tangle]

Ok but it's a waste energy wise in that context

[rotund oak]

trying to decipher the context

[ancient tangle]

No I meant if the mastery is not worth

[rotund oak]

mastery is a flat thing gain when press tea

energy is more like the gas u dont have to continue

idk if that makes sense

[ancient tangle]

Yes it does, but does the mastery from tea immediately empower all dots ?

[spice surge]

Yes it does

[rotund oak]

at all times,everytime u press

thats what i meant by flat thing gain

i think u need a sim that compares the different tea use in terms of absolulte numbers to compare and understand

[ancient tangle]

Yes ok but then I thought the mastery buff would be huge when you have DM with all the active dots

[ancient tangle]

Ho yes I need this a lot ^^

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor lord whispyr sir sorry for the tag but is there a sim where there is a comparison between pressing tea twice on each KB+DM window(if im not mistaken its what its hypothesized)compared to using tea to extend the envenom chains

[balmy condor]

every day with this stupid fucking double tea shit

smh

[rotund oak]

im out

[balmy condor]

wish I could be too

[strange python]

Whispyr isn’t it better to use 2 teas during kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

frankly if you're getting pi and the fight is omega short like it is now, probably not terrible

meme season

but god it hurts me

even mythic larodar these days has like 3:30 kill times

just slam teas whatever

its not going to affect your parse regardless

[ancient tangle]

But there is no sims for it already existing ?

For curiosity

[balmy condor]

last time I simmed it with normal kill times it was -0.6%

I assume with fast kill times it's probably close to neutral or better

but even with sims it's kind of unrealistic to begin with

parsing in this season is insanely dependent on having good kill times, good proc rng, and the ability to pad on stuff like fyrakk

if you can get big procs during a caustic pad

double tea is probably going to be better

but in a vacuum it's hard to justify

if you're playing for the giga god roll

go for it I guess

[ancient tangle]

My exact plan would be : 2 tea first DM then 1tea on KB then 2 tea on Dm and then 0tea on this KB and repeat. This way you have always 2 teas available on DM and you only have 1 KB without tea every 4 KB

[balmy condor]

sure

seems reasonable

[ancient tangle]

Ok ^^

But I don't have the APM skills to craft the sim for it 😦

[balmy condor]

don't bother

just hit the teas

get your good kill time

it'll be fine

[ancient tangle]

I'm not after parsing ^^ I'm just wondering what's best ideally 😅

[balmy condor]

isn't that the same thing

[ancient tangle]

I meant I'm just wondering after theory crafting but I don't care about kill times etc ...

[balmy condor]

yeah but your kill times inherently impact whether or not it's worth it

it's not worth it on longer fights

[ancient tangle]

True

[balmy condor]

cause you're going to run out of energy more

[ancient tangle]

But its dynamic

[balmy condor]

if you're in a 3 minute blaster fight

[ancient tangle]

I'm more in a general way for start

[balmy condor]

I don't understand what the question is

you can't ignore the kill time for this

[ancient tangle]

Ah ye I understand

[balmy condor]

given how quick the kill times are this season

you should feel empowered to hit your teas during cds if you'd like

on short kill times, it's probably better

you're not going to run out of energy on short fights, and if you do, it's either at the very end, or you have a tea charge left

it's always better to end the fight with no tea charges

so using them early during cooldowns is better than not at all

[ancient tangle]

Ok

Short is less than 3min ?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[ancient tangle]

Ok

[balmy condor]

3:30 probably works too

[ancient tangle]

Ok

[balmy condor]

as you get to 4:30, 5 min you start running out of energy

[ancient tangle]

Ok thx

[balmy condor]

np

[ancient tangle]

Do you have the APL lines that you used to sim the teas on CD just to try to play with that on my own ?

[balmy condor]

I don't

haven't simmed it in a while

[ancient tangle]

Ah ok

[balmy condor]

busy with all the alpha stuff and merging in the last couple changes before refactoring for tww

[ancient tangle]

Ha ok nevermind then 😅

Force may be with u

[balmy condor]

I get to double check tea logic for tww again

this time with giga nerfed kb

and gear reset

[lean portal]

every time i hear something about alpha im sad

dust nerfed in sub and now kb nerf

[ancient tangle]

Yes me too 😦

[balmy condor]

kb was kinda overwhelming for the spec in 10.2

I mean they tried to fix it with the poison application nerf on dtb

[latent copper]

How do you do your rota in AOE in real situation where you have to send dm fast?

[balmy condor]

but it's so rough

[half condor]

should i be using crimson tempest in m+? because a streamer just said something that i didnt understand, Like on the first boss of ruby you dont want to use it on add phase can someone help me understand why please

[lean portal]

agree but i hope they make up for the nerf

[balmy condor]

press gar press rupture press cds

[lean portal]

and were not just useless for 2 first month

i wonder what the playstyle will be

[balmy condor]

there's builds that do and builds that dont talent into crimson tempest, if you're talented into it, you press it on 4+ target

[lean portal]

hope were not a pi class anymore

[balmy condor]

I don't think we will be

none of the hero talents atm open up some haste-cooldown-stacking nonsense

[lean portal]

cool

[balmy condor]

and the kb cap change + no nightstalker

[latent copper]

No garr-garr-mutilate-evenom? Got a rotation helper, which say i should do garr-rup-mutilate or foK to 6 then evenom and them cds

[balmy condor]

takes a lot out of it already

[lean portal]

what is new cap ?

[balmy condor]

rotation helpers are super stupid, they just try to follow their list

your question was trying to get out cds quickly

[lean portal]

u have to rupture for caustic

[balmy condor]

so you gotta gar -> rup -> cds

or if you need it REALLY fast

[latent copper]

And if i got time?

[balmy condor]

you just gar -> into cds and rupture during them

well if you got time then what's the problem

just do a normal opener

[lean portal]

gar on 6 targets rup on 5-6 if you have the 5 rupture talent thing

then go

[balmy condor]

yeh

[latent copper]

Ok but normal is not going to 6 cp and evenom and then cds?

[balmy condor]

it's always set up dots, pick a target, cooldowns

it's optimal to 6cp envenom into cooldowns yes

that's the setup

if you need it faster, you skip the envenom

if you need it faster than that, you don't spread as many dots

[toxic olive]

Whisp New to Assa, so I have like 2 basic questions: during KB should I let first shiv run out and reapply next global or refresh with the global before when it’s like <1 sec remaining. 2nd at times I have envenom running still outside of pandemic but close to capping on energy. Do I refresh preemptively or sit for a global on max energy?

[balmy condor]

• Refresh it
• You would want to avoid capping energy

[toxic olive]

TY highly appreciate it. Bad habits die slowly so don’t want to build them in the first place

[balmy condor]

Yep

[rotund oak]

ill be there to share the load

be ur samwise

actually super hyped for beta

[latent copper]

I use deeper strategm generally for es we the 5% buff in M+ right? Im thinking how much real dps loss it will be ober acrobatic strike since life is easier and you can do perhaps better dmg cauze of higher range?

[balmy condor]

If you want to play acro you drop deeper + alacrity and go lethality + acro

But remember that acro doesn’t exist next expac

So probably worth getting used to it

[royal lantern]

+acro ws never that good for assa anyway

[balmy condor]

Acro is fine

[latent copper]

It wont exist but range wouldnt be expended next exp?

[balmy condor]

No

They just removed range talents

There is no compensation

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

Why am I awake rn gm

[potent raven]

good mornbing

[balmy condor]

My face when we didn’t have acro for like 15 years and then we got it for 1 expac and now everyone’s losing their shit that it’s gone

[brazen zodiac]

good mawning cxcx

[frosty bridge]

It's better to never have it than to have it and lose it :'(

[potent raven]

yes

[royal lantern]

its also like

idk

i used it in S1/S2, didnt use it in S3 and felt no real difference

[balmy condor]

The quote you’re referencing is literally the opposite

Idk man

Change happens

Game would be stale without change

[frosty bridge]

wait no

my quote is right

assa never had it and it was k, but it sucks having it for a brief time and losing it :3

[balmy condor]

Your quote is right, but the saying is “Tis better to have love and lost than to have never loved at all”

[brazen zodiac]

i think in this case he's saying it'd be better to never have acro at all

[frosty bridge]

Oh, didn't know you were a poet

[brazen zodiac]

but i am probably wrong xD

also hi whisp cxcx

[balmy condor]

I’m not, it’s just a very famous quote

[balmy condor]

Yeah I just… couldn’t care

[frosty bridge]

ic ic

[brazen zodiac]

xD

that is fair boss .

[frosty bridge]

[royal lantern]

again, the only thing that annoys me there (or more like, confuses) is their statement WHY they do it

aka the entire "we increased melee range across the game" thing

when if anything the melee range problem got worse over the last 2 expansions

[frosty bridge]

Idk, melee have been really strong recently

[rotund oak]

It all led to rets being this stupid

[frosty bridge]

I think it's better to gut all the range increases and just design the game around nobody having it imo

[royal lantern]

what has that to do with anything

like

do you even know what we talk about rn lol

[balmy condor]

It really hasn’t gotten worse though

[frosty bridge]

You said that the melee range problem got worse

And i have no idea what you are refering to

[balmy condor]

I think it’s easy to forget how bad like bfa was for melee range

Remember dazaralor? Mechatorque or whatever his name is, having to kick the bombs and the robots chasing you? Get fucked bozo

[rotund oak]

yeah that was a nightmare

[balmy condor]

King rastakhan pushing you off of the boss for a whole phase

[royal lantern]

the extreme clutter and animation overload + bad visuals for enemys effects which makes it sometimes impossible to see ANYTHING in melee, atleast the range increase talents let you walk away a bit and see something at all

[balmy condor]

Literally all of jaina’s aoe

[rotund oak]

even the kingkong dude was weird in bod for melees

[frosty bridge]

Okay, I can agree on that

[balmy condor]

Shrine of storms was swirlie hell

[frosty bridge]

The clutter and unecessary ground effects and all these animations are awful

[royal lantern]

enjoy tww :)))))))))))))))

[balmy condor]

Crucible of storms was ranged stack

Like idk man

Melee range has gotten way friendlier compared to 5 years ago

Their whole thing of range increase is bullshit

But to say melee has gotten worse is insane

[vestal wren]

it comes down to one simple thing

game design got more aware of melee range, it is why we have less extremes in raid

if the design team does a good job, you barely notice it as a dissadvantage

but if they get it wrong it is immidiatly apperent

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

it is (as with a lot of other things in the game) something more memorable because it stands out if done incorrect

(also we as human tend to remember negative emotions better, does not help here)

[royal lantern]

jokes on you, i dont

im always negative, so its not something i need to remember

[pliant terrace]

I wouldn't even mind anti melee fights if blizzard didn't add so many melee classes to the game. Before evokers, every new class has been melee.

[royal lantern]

it doesnt matter how many classes lol

the game is balanced around having each class beeing in your raid 1x anyway

[pliant terrace]

Yeah well when most of those classes are melee it does kind of matter.

[royal lantern]

there is just this really stupid exception with shaman, where the raid utility is bound to the melee spec only

[royal lantern]

there are 13 classes

6 are melee only

only 1 is DPS only (rogue)

[balmy condor]

Idk how amount of melee classes changes the impact of acro

Raid sizes are the same

[royal lantern]

^

[balmy condor]

You take similar amounts of melee and ranged

Like instead of 3 warriors you take 1 warrior 1 dh and a ret

But it’s 3 melee regardless

[royal lantern]

like, again

your normal raid will have by itself 13 spots reserved by default

6 minimum will be melee simply because you kinda want those classes

no amount of melee specs in the game will change that lol

[pliant terrace]

6 is a lot when you need all 6 in your comp and there happens to be a shit fight like fetid devourer where it hurts having more than 4.

[royal lantern]

dont need to tell me about shit fights for melee

i suffer them since forever

[balmy condor]

They nerfed fetid precisely because of groups taking no melee

[royal lantern]

and btw, the "more then 4 melee makes the fight unplayable" was once again people parroting world first teams that did the fight on week1 with no gear

like always

like yeha, you didnt want 70% of your dps comp beeing melee dps

but you dont want that regardless on any fight lol

[balmy condor]

But again, why does the composition of melee affect acro

[pliant terrace]

Or the fight was unplayable with more than 4 because it was terribly designed and I actually progged it week 1 on mythic?

[royal lantern]

progged it, or pulled it for 1 hour and then was next reset

cus thats a kinda big difference

[balmy condor]

I don’t really think so

The fact that you get to mythic fetid week 1 is already impressive enough

But also if you’re progging that fast, you lowkey don’t get to complain

You signed up for degeneracy and it’s degenerate and you’re mad about it

No sympathy from me

[vestal wren]

just to talk about it historically, you could absolutely run ranged only raid combos.
And at least for most parts having more ranged dps than melees was benefitial

but raid buffs and less extreme melee unfriendly design now balances it out

before that we had:
ranged unfriendly fights - would be mildly annoying for ranged and give them slightly lower output
melee unfriendly figths - highly punishing for melees, to the point of the fighe becomming much easier if you just stack ranged dps

so "how much worse" each was on fights designed for the other one was noticable in favor of ranged

it also leads to things like blue posts mentioning raid design being always ranged favored, something i don't think still holds up today

[royal lantern]

they went a bit too far with it

but honestly, its a hard thing to solve

espacialy when many ranged dps give blizz the signals that they always want to cast with instant cast procs and shit, instead of standing still and hardcasting

so rn we have quiet a few fights where for often 50% of the melee dps its just "afk at boss and do dmg"

[tropic tundra]

[vestal wren]

bm hunter is basically a melee in ranged position

but i agree

if you play classic servers, casters are more in line of mobility and often limited by mana

but its all design space, having lower differences between melee and ranged restrictions
is a philosophy we saw more in modern wow

[fallen arch]

The struggle as melee is more real in m+ though

Looking at you affixes like spiteful

[vestal wren]

rly comes back to this

affixes shouldn't punish you for spec or class choice, if they do its bad design

[potent raven]

melee is pretty hard rn

esp with no acro

cant relax for a second in these dungeons lol

[fallen arch]

That makes no sense to me

[royal lantern]

wdym, lets make mandatory dispell affixes

[potent raven]

what doesnt

[fallen arch]

No acro

We never had acro

[frosty bridge]

full rework affixes

they suck

[potent raven]

i played other specs so

[fallen arch]

We need fun affixes

[potent raven]

judging from that

its harder w. no acro obvsly

[fallen arch]

Yes for sure

Give the Prideful affix back

[spice surge]

Im confused, you said you wanted fun affixes?

[fallen arch]

The damage buff it gave was tons of fun

Until you got to like +25 and it was borderline unkillable in a reasonable amount of time

[spice surge]

Or you ever deviated from your route in the slightest

[fallen arch]

I think at some point that shit was just skipped because it wasn’t worth the time or effort right

[spice surge]

Just like the damage from thundering was fun?

[royal lantern]

just ignore that the buff is the only thing that made killing bosses possible on some tyranical weeks + more or less only gave you a couple of seconds back that you wasted fighting the stupid miniboss

[fallen arch]

Ye exactly

[royal lantern]

did 1% too much?

sorry

cant do boss now anymore

key bricked

[fallen arch]

And I remember it being a pretty steep healing check

On higher keys

[royal lantern]

less healer check

more "you have X seconds before the healer has no big cds anymore and you all just die"

like, the only could rotate their cds and hope you killed it before they where over

[vestal wren]

all affixes we labled as fun

had some benefit to them

so in terms of "lessons learned"

[royal lantern]

legit 1 of the worst ones we ever had, togheter with infested and the shity azhara one

[vestal wren]

affixes that reward you for the trade off > affixes only designed to slow you down

[royal lantern]

man, fuck affixes at this point

we legit only have "gets ignored cus they dont really do anything" and "GL getting into a group as warrior/dk/rogue lol"

[vestal wren]

season 2 bfa

you could completely skip the affix

or pad the damage meter

both positive outcomes

[grim jay]

idk where people always get that

I legit never felt like it was an issue

and I play all 3

even tho 2 are tanks

[royal lantern]

WELL I WONDER WHY

[grim jay]

I sure do aswell

bcs our rogues should be the same

I only ever notice a difference that comes down to tuning

no difference at all between weeks

[fallen arch]

Tell your basic pug piece of trash mage or priest groupleader that

Pugging is pretty aids as rogue ngl

[grim jay]

im talking about pugs fam

Its obviously not something you notice with premades

unless you got weird ones

[latent gazelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lunar thicket]

mates, should the seal be doing more damage? :/

[strange python]

It doesn’t do a lot

How much damage does your other big stat ring do tho?

Exactly

[tropic tundra]

it's free anyways, and not 0

and you can't do anything with it

[lunar thicket]

i just thought it would be doing a tad more

but every time i go check its super low

[tropic tundra]

Maybe you can compare with your sim numbers?

[nimble zinc]

I don’t think the fire ring does a lot of dmg unless your a class with actual fire spells in your rotation. Like mage, DH, Warlock, etc.

To me taking the fire embellishments and flaring cowl isn’t worth it for assassination.

I just went for stat rings.

[tropic tundra]

Worth if your sim said its an upgrade(and better than the other options available)

no class actually take embellishments just for that since that's a marginal loss afaik

[spice surge]

0.4% is very reasonable amount for a free proc

[hearty coral]

guys do u recommend using this weak aura?

[potent raven]

yes its fun maybe

[sonic zinc]

its fun seeing big kb number

[potent raven]

ye that

its not like u cant figure out if dont have shiv/envenom uptime

[hearty coral]

well im just lvl 38, i don't how kb works but i think it will help and like zomb said seeing the big number will feel good

[lean portal]

ur plater should tell u for shiv envenom

[hearty coral]

im trying to track sad and others importants buffs

[lean portal]

this is just for fun

but i have it

[hearty coral]

at high lvl keeping sad up is easy? cause at my lvl feels like a pain

[lean portal]

what is sad sorry

[hearty coral]

slice and dice

[lean portal]

not good with acronyms

okay yeah its auto

[copper hazel]

keeping sad up is super easy when you have spriests and locks in the group

[lean portal]

maybe u dont have the talent

idk

how would it drop

[potent raven]

use a class weakaura

[lean portal]

how you meant tracking it

yeah personalize ur plater or use class wa

[digital venture]

You press SnD and forget about it. Even in M+ the duration is long enough that you rarely press it.

[past forum]

I kept seeing ppl post screenshots of the kb weakaura and i was dumb compared the total damage number to my highest tic damage and i was like “why tf am i so bad”

[storm forum]

To be fair, sometimes the final tick of a good KB during DM is more than a whole non-dm KB

[slate crown]

Plater won’t tell you envenom, it’s a buff on your player

[slate crown]

!wa several packs here for important buffs to keep up 🙂

The WA you posted is something many use to compare their current kingsbane to previous kingsbanes, which can sometimes be helpful.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

I don’t use it but I’m biased as I use my own kb wa. But, to each their own

[desert inlet]

I don't use it because it would only ever make me mad

[potent raven]

kinda hard to track it on plater was are a bit easier

[lean portal]

y mine tells me 😆

but yeah its better to get used to play with wa

[slate crown]

Do you use personal resource display or something?

How does it show you a player buff

[lean portal]

i dont have a wa i use plater to track all my buffs

like i have my personnal bar

[slate crown]

Ah

Seems like too much work given platers an absolute pain in the ass to customize but if it works for you

[lean portal]

yeah and im used to it now

but definitly annoying to set up

i juste hate class wa, covers too much of my screen

[hearty coral]

fan of knives should not give 1 combo point per target ?

[royal lantern]

no

FoK gives 1CP +additonal CP for every single crit

[vestal wren]

#subtlety <- this way

subtlety has 1 cp per target hit with shuriken storm

[sonic zinc]

when do we want pi? just on dm?

[potent raven]

ye i macro with dm

pi requestings

[sonic zinc]

k just making sure we didnt need some weird timing

[potent raven]

i mean priests are slow anyway itll cover ur kb i think LOL

[royal lantern]

well, they are finishing their casts first

[hearty coral]

Im leveling trough legion to get my mount class, that crow looks amazing. Im 41.

[grim bison]

I like that rogues are so dead in M+ that they have to repeat same lvl keys from 2w ago, literally only one is a small boosted streamer with a single 20 AV (easiest key)

[hearty coral]

Are we that bad in m+?

[slate crown]

We aren't

[grim bison]

melee, target capped in any spec, low aoe cc, no useful utility for current dungeons, meh dmg, i can go on and on

[slate crown]

People's definition of what is bad in M+ is highly skewed by their play level

[grim bison]

i’m just telling from playing other “meta” classes

[slate crown]

Sure

If you're coming in with expectations of what it's like to be a shadow priest in high keys, you're going to be disappointed

[grim bison]

yes u can be screwed by your own skill issues etc.
purely stats can confirm where rogues are

[lean portal]

rogue is mega good in m+

[slate crown]

Just trying to not communicate that rogues are trash to someone who is new and leveling. You aren't bricking your keys because you're playing a rogue

[lean portal]

not being invited in pug =/= being bad class

[slate crown]

Stats in this game are useful but are also easy to misinterpret and be used for the wrong points in the conversation about viability or potential, or how "good" a class is

[lean portal]

legit one of the best classes for every key that is not top 0.1%

immortal + big dmg + insane prio dmg + very very decent cc

not invited anywhere cause of affix situation + no bl no cr

[slate crown]

And it's fun 🙂 I have a lot of fun aoe managing for sin at least

[lean portal]

yes

iron wire also is absurdly good

[grim bison]

you’re immortal at 14- when boss doesn’t one shot you with unavoidable dmg

[severe jacinth]

any1 knows why meld doesnt put me into stealth for imp garrote?
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/stopattack
/cast [combat] Shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth
literally on a target dummy and it doesnt work
doesnt trigger subterfuge

[lean portal]

you litteraly avoid unavoidable dmg

[rotund oak]

strongest node/talent across all rogue specs if u ask me

[lean portal]

youre the best class in the game in unavoidable dmg situations

[lean portal]

yeah its so crazy good

[rotund oak]

its extremely powerful with no conditions to meet or anything

simplicity's strength at its finest 👌

[lean portal]

silencing nearly every pack for 12s

for free

[grim bison]

damn right you’re, probably every 2mins?

[proven jasper]

just press feint bro

[slate crown]

I think it is a fair point that rogue, especially sin, struggles with surviving high keys. That's a fair point.

[lean portal]

faint evasion is rly clutch also + all 3 specs are fine with a lot of versa

[slate crown]

I also don't care

[lean portal]

kinda disagree

[proven jasper]

sin is def the squishiest of the rogue specs by far

[lean portal]

yeah true

but its still a rogue

[proven jasper]

its like not even close

[rotund oak]

outlaw is the tankiest rogue spec in m+,followed my sub,last is sin

[lean portal]

is outlaw tankier than sub ?

[rotund oak]

yes

[lean portal]

sub with the vanish shields is un killable

[proven jasper]

yeah sub is up there tho

yeah

[lean portal]

but didnt play new outlaw at decent level

[proven jasper]

Shields everytime you dance+vanish

[rotund oak]

its close but no,outlaw has baseline alot more vers

also cdr

[proven jasper]

That too

[rotund oak]

alot more mobility

[lean portal]

cdr truue

sub has mega vers tho

i just love versa honestly

[rotund oak]

can go but not as high as outlaw

outlaw just stacks vers

[lean portal]

i run 35 versa in assa

dont care

[rotund oak]

same

[potent raven]

Ye

[lean portal]

but ye its main outlaw stat

[potent raven]

Do u press stealth afterwards

Thats how u should do it

Press meld macro then stealth

[spice surge]

Because meld is wonky and doesnt always drop your combat immediately, you sometimes have to wait like a second for it to go off

And sometimes it doesnt work at all

[rotund oak]

im actually playing mast/vers,works like a charm

in m+

sin doesnt care all that much for stats so i kinda found my comfort zone there

tanky but not as sub,tankier than regular crit/mast

[lean portal]

i was sub early szn and swaped at buffs

so i still have my sub crafts stats etc just swapped some pieces

but mostly sub gear so same

[rotund oak]

i was going back and forth between sub and sin for the entire expansion

[lean portal]

same XD

[rotund oak]

played some outlaw but didnt rly like it

and im an outlaw main btw

this iteraiton is cringe

[lean portal]

played sin until i died in a key then swap to sub until im bored

same but i didnt even touch outlaw in dragonflight

played it too much in sl ig

[proven jasper]

I liked it more in sl

[lean portal]

kyrian outlaw was unreal fun

[rotund oak]

ye sub was god in sl

[proven jasper]

But i dont hate the current iteration

[rotund oak]

ive played kyrian outlaw in sl as well

loved it

[proven jasper]

Just a die hard sin boy and we all know how sin was in sl

[lean portal]

even in aberrus

[proven jasper]

Aberrus was rough also yeah

playing sepsis

[lean portal]

joined my guild playing sin in aberrus they were looking at me like an animal