assassination

[slate crown]

They are, it’s not speculation

[main cloud]

i just logged in for my rogue from s1 and wanted to gear it up

and i got punched in the face

xD

[slate crown]

They said they are, and it’s removed on Alpha. They are removing it from all specs that have a version of it

[solid mica]

it's honestly fine for sin/sub, suuuuuper toxic for outlaw tho gonna make keys dedge

[main cloud]

instead of removing it, they should add maybe 1.5yd version to all meele specs

[royal lantern]

i feel bad for yellow names

cus y'all cant even read patchnotes

[solid mica]

?

[royal lantern]

bf gets more range

• outlaw players playing the most consitently strong m+ melee spec in the game yet say "dead in keys" all the time

[ebon notch]

Arms and ret are arguably stronger

[solid mica]

aight BUDDI chill kek, that wasn't in the initial notes i didn't realize they updated it 3 days ago

that's lit

i mean it would be awful without acro range on flurry, and tbf i like all specs of rogue p much equally

[gusty mirage]

Well they can’t read at all so

[normal mist]

Y'all bullying yellow names in assassination again

SMH my head

[solid mica]

business as usual

[midnight mist]

you dont understand the issue + outlaw is the strongest melee cause all melees are shit + L take ratio noob

[normal mist]

Tell him Zac

[solid mica]

i never see sin gettin' bullied in OL chat

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/hajime-no-ippo-box-boxing-punch-jab-gif-5247311

Sins usually avoid that place

[dark token]

It's dead in keys rn

[gusty mirage]

Ret pally exists bozo

[dark token]

Assa has more representation than outlaw

[grim jay]

Yeah we talking about consistent not rn

[dark token]

At highest key levels

Gg

[solid mica]

sin feels nice rn

[gusty mirage]

Wait you said melee nvm

[midnight mist]

ret pali is for noob and low keys fight me

[gusty mirage]

Ret has like 80yd range

[solid mica]

tru

it's their fault we lose acro show me where i'm wrong

[grim jay]

You know what else starts with ret?

[gusty mirage]

“Melee” spec btw everything is a 30yd range spell outside of melee auto attacks?

[dark token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1243321292430639144/image.png?ex=6651b56f&is=665063ef&hm=e89305d6d91e78c37bcd1251449d8182582c6a5200d6a765e069a1afa93ac503&

[grim jay]

[true condor]

gm oxi lord

[dark token]

3 more assa rogues in top keys

[true condor]

[dark token]

Than outlaw

[ebon notch]

I think it’s time for you to make a ret alt

[dark token]

It's over outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Don’t talk to my son like that pls

[solid mica]

where tf are all these rets lol i never see them in ppl's streams

[midnight mist]

no

i just want to play outla wwith acro man

let me have this

[midnight mist]

how can it be 3 more when its only one guy playing it

[ebon notch]

Ret has acro too bro

[midnight mist]

ret has half the apm as outlaw

no grapple

no sprint

its pink

no guns

[royal lantern]

who pinged me

[ebon notch]

Half of those are wrong

Smh

[midnight mist]

how come

@royal lantern noob

[ebon notch]

It’s a relatively high apm spec and it has off gcd horse

[midnight mist]

bro

its 50 apm

wait let me check

[ebon notch]

XD

[midnight mist]

one sec

[grim jay]

Assassination down bad

Can we go back to talking about weirdly proportionized body features of women?

[gusty mirage]

It was me

I did it

[midnight mist]

its itteraly half the apm of outlaw

why you yapping at me like that

bro said of gcd horse

when i have 100% uptime on nsprint

[grim jay]

Thats a weird kind of literally

[ebon notch]

50-57 apm is a big diff

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

Yeah its about the buttons many of us press while waiting for the gcd

Big diff

[brazen zodiac]

❤️ ⭐

[vestal wren]

there is one sub O.O

[ebon notch]

I have the same number of dead global as ret that I do on outlaw tbh

[grim jay]

Thats cap bcs the gcd is lower on outlaw

[ebon notch]

What’s that got to do with dead globals

[grim jay]

[ebon notch]

If you drop AR where’s your hasted GCD

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

Oh no he said hasted GCD

They’re sensitive about haste not being useless for them

How could you

[grim jay]

Yeah idk, just stay true to your beliefs Mr high apm ret

[ebon notch]

Is that the same as “scaling”

[ebon notch]

Eh?? What beliefs lmao

[gusty mirage]

Idk anymore man, I couldn’t read more than 2 minutes of that channel post notes

[ebon notch]

AR doesn’t have a 100% uptime unless you get lucky or the fight is 1 min long

[subtle tundra]

penis

[ebon notch]

Which means you’re guaranteed to have dead globals cause SS is like 1/3rd of your energy

[gusty mirage]

Are we playing the penis game?

[subtle tundra]

i never stopped

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

Seems weird to disregard it considering its a big part of why outlaw has higher apm

[grim jay]

Whats the penis game

The one where you need to yell louder each time?

[gusty mirage]

You and a friend or two say penis louder and louder until someone gets too embarrassed to scream it and yields

[subtle tundra]

my friends want to oil me up.... the fucking downsides of muscle

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

you know whats a bigger diff? 57 vs 83 apm

[grim jay]

Ah ye alright, did you ever engage in such activities? I thought you were born cultured and well behaved

Befitting of a gorgeous Adonis of a man like you

[gusty mirage]

Hey woah, you’re telling me 26 apm is bigger than 7?

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

I am but a degenerate who managed to scam the authorities into letting be a lawyer man

[midnight mist]

just helping daps a bit

he is struggling

[gusty mirage]

You could spam AD on ret to try to make up some of that difference

[midnight mist]

anyway

not having a grapple type of mobiilty

is so annoying

[grim jay]

Attention deficit?

[subtle tundra]

me when my next ability use is in 4 seconds unless i get a random proc

[gusty mirage]

ret mobility is dogshit

[midnight mist]

ret doesnt even have a jump or dash or anything

[ebon notch]

Who disregarded it

Mobility is less of a factor when you can dps the boss from Africa lmao

[midnight mist]

meh

[gusty mirage]

True

[midnight mist]

its not about dps

[gusty mirage]

Unironically

[ebon notch]

It kinda is

[subtle tundra]

its the fact that im obligated to soak shit far away cause i can hit in the meantime

GRAWR i like not doing mechanics

[midnight mist]

a big part of why i enjoy outlaw is all the mobility/qol stuffs, you are perma running full speed, perma grappling, acro, etc etc

[subtle tundra]

! ! ! !

[midnight mist]

its not just about losing dps or not

[grim jay]

You disregarded it with your wording in regards to "dead globals" which is basically the same thing, unless you mean smth different with "dead globals"

[midnight mist]

it also is but

[ebon notch]

If you never have to leave the boss for any reason to do any mechanic then mobility is useless cause you don’t use it

[midnight mist]

not only

[grim jay]

I thought you like pirates

[ebon notch]

I mean globals where you can’t press anything because everything is on CD or you have no energy

[subtle tundra]

sorry i cant soak... im in my kb.... sorry i cant soak im losing my bleeds.... sorry i cant soak im losing my env streak(edging streak)

[midnight mist]

dont care about pirates

i like guns tho

its fun

paladin have hammer instead

ok buddy

[subtle tundra]

hammer > gun

[gusty mirage]

Zac exposing himself as an American

[midnight mist]

i aint building a house

[subtle tundra]

fuck your gun

[gusty mirage]

Screenshot it boys

[midnight mist]

i just wanna shoot dragons fr

[ebon notch]

Zac said he’s a DH main earlier

[midnight mist]

thats fake

but ok

[gusty mirage]

Stop spreading lies about my son

[subtle tundra]

whats cooler, shooting a gun(loser)
beating the enemy with a fucking hammer(COOLEST SHIT EVER)

[gusty mirage]

Photoshopped

[midnight mist]

anyone can photoshop

in 2024

[ebon notch]

I can’t

Checkmate

[midnight mist]

prolly asked someone to

[gusty mirage]

Kieron can

I’ve seen his art

[ebon notch]

Hahaha

What a chat cover

[grim jay]

@midnight mist

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Wait what

This is goated

[grim jay]

Outlaw trolling confirmed

[midnight mist]

lol

i remmeber that one

[ebon notch]

Kieron’s gonna love that

[midnight mist]

[ebon notch]

Zac tell them how much you’re enjoying DH

[midnight mist]

kieron almost blocked me last time i told him i wanted to play outlaw for reclears

[gusty mirage]

Why’s everyone bullying my son?

[midnight mist]

i enjoy it

but

doesnt come even close to outlaw

(with acro)

good thing without acro i can just dislike everything equally

[ebon notch]

Bro you don’t have to be so defensive you can just enjoy things

You think people here will beat your ass if you say you enjoy something else as well

[gusty mirage]

Idk I get bullied for playing ret rn

[midnight mist]

what is he yapping about rn

[gusty mirage]

People just mad I’m enjoying the game

[midnight mist]

im just saying i enjoy it

just not as much as outlaw

gotta compare with something no ?

[subtle tundra]

imagine enjoying wow in 2024...

[ebon notch]

I was worried you were gonna reroll holy

[subtle tundra]

last time i enjoyed wow was 2022

[ebon notch]

Thank you for clarifying

[midnight mist]

priest or pal?

i have never healed actually

[ebon notch]

You will die on priest

[hardy dagger]

Time to quit then I suppose?

[ebon notch]

100%

[midnight mist]

thats fake

i can never die

[ebon notch]

Go prove me wrong then

[subtle tundra]

lol you dont quit wow

you play it out of spite

[midnight mist]

nah im good

[hardy dagger]

Ngl I play wow for the the people I play with

[true condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1212526973830570026/zachate.gif

i copied this

[midnight mist]

sure lets continue sharing photoshoped screenshots

the bullying never stop

gg

[true condor]

we got tira for toxic dagger

@quiet oar dw brother

tira could u get me the dagger things

[grim jay]

You wouldnt get bullied if you were playing sub instead of trolling on outlaw

[quiet oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1236949730387562537/Screenshot_2024-05-06_095525.gif

[true condor]

[midnight mist]

i would get bullied for not playing sin instead

[ebon notch]

xd

you didnt reply to my dm btw

[midnight mist]

hm

i missed it maybe

[true condor]

sadge

[grim jay]

We just bully you because you are special to us

[true condor]

could any1 get me to kultiras

[subtle tundra]

no

ask chatgpt

[midnight mist]

jump in the water you get tped

[true condor]

dw i am on it

[sharp viper]

confirmed dh main, get the pitch forks

[main cloud]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[mystic osprey]

Worth trying out sin rogue?

again

[sharp viper]

yes

[mystic osprey]

rotation same from s3?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[mystic osprey]

mmmmmm

that damage is disgusting

jesus

[patent vessel]

what key range is this?

[tropic tundra]

[clever sapphire]

Im gonna say top 1%

[drifting cloud]

probably higher

low sample size

[patent vessel]

word, i figured

is it just for this past week

[thorn fjord]

Where the homies at

[dark token]

18-21

roughly

its top 2k runs per week

[thorn fjord]

wow no homies

[patent vessel]

ty ty

[cursive owl]

i heard today that the raid lead of liquid did made 1 million dps overall in a akademy key with assa rogue O_O

[fallen arch]

It’s doable I think

Would be easier on a fort week though

[cursive owl]

thats just insane

[somber sparrow]

probably helps when the tank is supported by a healer when he pulls big

[cursive owl]

ye

[fallen arch]

That,

• PI every burst window + Evoker

[cursive owl]

i see

[fallen arch]

It’s gonna add up

[cursive owl]

so Zero's 720k overall was boosted also ?

[fallen arch]

No

[cursive owl]

oh ok

[fallen arch]

That was with mage/priest iirc

[cursive owl]

so 700k overall is a number i should aim for to call myself good ?

[pure moth]

Hes just built differently

[potent raven]

who was the roue

rogue

[fallen arch]

No not really

[cursive owl]

O_O

[fallen arch]

Keys are so fluid

[cursive owl]

wasnt it zero ?

[potent raven]

700k is impressive but its academy + priest

[fallen arch]

It depends on a lot of stuff if u can pull numbers like that

[cursive owl]

i see

[fallen arch]

Academy is really good for us

[cursive owl]

whats average to see if im doing good ? x)

[potent raven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1152549919840817273/1243246201164398733/image.png?ex=66516f80&is=66501e00&hm=8b23ee152ef901e22382404d738d68d7914fc10732200ee031c5cbc7c38e06ca&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

1st boss academy

[cursive owl]

w>

[potent raven]

padmaxxing

[cursive owl]

headpets sense good job OwO

[potent raven]

thanks

[wide ferry]

that dam is insane

[fallen arch]

Evoker and Brew nice

Sadge the Lock is not a Priest

[cursive owl]

that 720k rogue was nmlsmhr

[fallen arch]

What?

[potent raven]

wish i couldve finished it

[gusty mirage]

dw I'm sure the lock is also sadge they're not a spriest

[fallen arch]

Hehe

[cursive owl]

so the average dps overall i should aim for is around 500k ?

[potent raven]

stop caring about details so much

[fallen arch]

Depends on your goals

[potent raven]

care about timing key and doing well

imo

the overalls will come themselves

[fallen arch]

But I’d say focus on rotation plus doing mechanics

[potent raven]

just focus on playing right

[fallen arch]

And the numbers will come

[potent raven]

;D

[fallen arch]

Most keys get bricked because ppl just refuse to so boss mechanics

Or dont know em

Or make stupid mistakes

Not because dmg is bad

[cursive owl]

i am not caring about timing key , i wanna make myself a bit more efficent. so i am always looking on my old overall dps and new overall dps in the same keys :3

[fallen arch]

Thats only gonna matter later

You shoukd care about timing keys

Thats the ultimate goal

[cursive owl]

well

[potent raven]

thats the wrong mindset to go about it imo

[cursive owl]

a +2 key >w> ?

[fallen arch]

Not the point

[potent raven]

u do 2s?

[cursive owl]

everything higher than +3 i get declined

[potent raven]

are u eu

[cursive owl]

yes

[potent raven]

send rio

[cursive owl]

682

[potent raven]

no

ur page

[cursive owl]

the rio link ?

[potent raven]

raider.io link i mean

[cursive owl]

let me look it up

[potent raven]

maybe ur gear is just horrible

[cursive owl]

if there is an +6 or +7 key , it was because my frends gone them with me for weekly chest

[fallen arch]

Get friends that take you

[cursive owl]

why look at my gear LUL ? that doesnt change the fact that i dont get invited man

506 ilvl

[fallen arch]

It does

[cursive owl]

how

[potent raven]

can u just send ur rio

[cursive owl]

i dont understand

[somber sparrow]

don't worry i'm 515 and can't join an 8 without friends lol

[cursive owl]

i am looking it up im at work place give me some time x)

[fallen arch]

Ppl need a reason to invite you over the 100 other dps that apply

[potent raven]

ofc it doees ppl want to invite better geared ppl lol

more gear more stam more dps

etc

[south tendon]

Just name your toon/server

[cursive owl]

i think this is it

https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackhand/Whatsword

[craggy basin]

stupid question been too long since i played assassination. silken lining rank doesnt matter right? its a flat value for all the ranks

[potent raven]

no crafts

[cursive owl]

before ppl rage or trashtalk, thats the gear i have , thats the gear i got. YES i know ican get upgrades. but i dont have any yet so Deal with it °^°

[potent raven]

you need to craft stuff

[south tendon]

He has 3 build items (Head, Wrist, ring)

[potent raven]

i had another page opened

i see

but its 502 so still

[cursive owl]

yes i know

i currently farm stuff to make it upgraded

[south tendon]

Just take your own +2 key and open a group

[potent raven]

oh nice

[fallen arch]

^

[south tendon]

You need to get at least each dungeon gone 1 time.

[cursive owl]

oh sherlock

[south tendon]

Going +2 or +3 is only a small gain in points. Going from 0 to +2 is massive

[cursive owl]

i apprechiate the help. but i got already through waiting 2 hours for ppl to join and then leave in dungeon again

[potent raven]

u got no friends

[cursive owl]

ohooo OwO

[potent raven]

to play with?

[fallen arch]

Well the thing is

You’re a bit behind the curve

[cursive owl]

[fallen arch]

So it’s gonna take some time

[potent raven]

a bit

[fallen arch]

To catch up

[south tendon]

Then get a guild

[cursive owl]

well

[fallen arch]

Or you jeed friends that can boost u

[cursive owl]

last time i played was season 3 mid

i already have

[fallen arch]

I didn’t play last season

[cursive owl]

i got ppl to run with for 4 days now

its not like i have 16 hours a day time to run dungeons

i do what i can if i can

progress is slow but it goes . and that 0 to 2 thing i will focus on rn

didnt know that

[fallen arch]

Which is good, but you should probably focus on the right stuff. Not on zerocool doing 750k overall in a +17

So learn mechanics, get gear, time keys and have fun

[cursive owl]

but dealing dmg is fun UwU

[fallen arch]

It gets evern more fun when you actually know what’s happening

[cursive owl]

i know i know, without learning mechanics getting gear and timing keys , i del no dmg KEKW

[fallen arch]

Timing a new high key is more fulfilling imo than blazing through a +7 for crests

[cursive owl]

imagine getting invited into +2 i didnt run already

[south tendon]

You will also deal low dmg in a +2. Things die way to fast and other classes have way better burst then you. For the start just do stuff. Getting more crests and gear is far more important then doing 100 150 or 200k in an instance

[cursive owl]

but i got already solutions so

[cursive owl]

yes

[potent raven]

stuff was dying from one kingsbane in 7s

so 2s i can imagine

[fallen arch]

This highly depends on group damage I found

In 7s you have to deal with awful other dps that are actually clueless, which means sometimes you can get full kb value

At least that’s what I found pugging for Crests

[south tendon]

Totally agree. Doing mainly +8 with guildies. Sometimes our retri comes around and knocks everything over before i even get to KB. Sometimes two low alts are on it and my damage looks way better

Going rnd should be an even bigger gap

[fallen arch]

Twinks?

[cursive owl]

i see

yes

Twinkies

[fallen arch]

You mean German alts?

[south tendon]

omg yes alts

[cursive owl]

xD

i dunno how the got to twinks

[somber sparrow]

brb googling

[fallen arch]

Back in the day twinks were these omega beefed up lvl 19s wthat slapped ppl blind in bgs

[cursive owl]

dont google it ._.

its homophob term at least from the language type her not the gaming type

[south tendon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinking

[cursive owl]

<<< using alt

[royal lantern]

god i love twinks

[cursive owl]

ohhh actual gaming type explenation

so its like a troll Kappa ?

[normal mist]

I love twinks aswell

[tropic tundra]

hmm

[normal mist]

Had some

[fallen arch]

Vanilla twinking

[cursive owl]

so its a smurf KEKW

[fallen arch]

Was actually degen

[normal mist]

Actually have a lvl30 twinkish

But so far my fav twinks are lvl10 ones

[cursive owl]

KEKW

i see

[normal mist]

With warforrged gear

[south tendon]

In modern times its used all in the same manner in germany. Its more belonging to the game. Smurfing is more known from League of legends. For WoW we all only have twinks.

[cursive owl]

good to know

ye

[normal mist]

Exactly

[cursive owl]

but in reality they should call them "alts" like alternate character right ._. ?

[normal mist]

Nah

They are way too specific

To be an "alt"

[cursive owl]

a lvl 70 520ilvl paladin cannot be called a twink ._. ?

[normal mist]

Nah

Not in wow terms

[south tendon]

For english yes. In german "alt" is the word for old. "alt" is my guild leader. So i stand by i dont have "alts". Im way to young

[spice spire]

[normal mist]

For most OGs here a Twink is someone who stopped leveling and locked the exp gain in a level bracket like 19/29/39/49 etc

[cursive owl]

dw im german , i know the words KEKW

[spice spire]

@marble hemlock is very alt

[cursive owl]

yes i think so

[normal mist]

And have the best available items for those Ilvl brackets

[spice spire]

I remember 19 WSGs

[normal mist]

Same...

[keen spruce]

[cursive owl]

xDDDD

[keen spruce]

not a frog

[cursive owl]

i do also

[normal mist]

Nowadays twinks suck

[spice spire]

I beg to differ

[marble hemlock]

brother

i neither look nor sound old so

jokes on you

[spice spire]

Alright we’re getting too many loaded words here

[spice spire]

Brother I’ve seen what you complain about

You’re def old

[normal mist]

Wdym 😂

[royal lantern]

look no

sound in your voice? no

sound in the way you talk? yes

[spice spire]

Tell that fraud!!

[lucid birch]

Same

[marble hemlock]

yall not respecting your elders frfr

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[rotund oak]

someone has to give them a lesson

[shy pecan]

Tell him Seli

[rotund oak]

u dont sound a day above 25

[royal lantern]

was about to say "you dont know how i sound like"

but yeha, YOU do

[potent raven]

a lil confused but

nvm

[gusty mirage]

I remember when you used to love me

[lucid birch]

Never stopped dear

[gusty mirage]

[austere sorrel]

A lot of you were born when or after wow was released.. yikes..

[gusty mirage]

yeah us old farts are in the minority of the "competitive" scene

[rotund oak]

[agile wedge]

lets find out who is the oldest 😄

[shy pecan]

[cursive owl]

so i learned +2 is better than 0 and from +3 to +4 Owo , im missing 5 dungeons i gues. lets gooo

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

Haven't you seen the reward table for dungeons?

[cursive owl]

no O-o

[cursive owl]

what reward table ?

[normal mist]

the one above

[cursive owl]

mhm O_O

[normal mist]

?

[cursive owl]

what does that mean with my +2 logic ?

was talking about getting rio :3

[normal mist]

Oh... i might have missed that part of the conversation

well

[cursive owl]

:3

[normal mist]

yeah, doing higher level keys do award more rio

everytime you go up, you gain rio, its that simple

[cursive owl]

but going from +5 to +6 grants me less rio than from 0 to +2 or 3 right :3 ?

[normal mist]

0's dont give rio afaik

[cursive owl]

see OwO !°

[normal mist]

because they arent a keystone

[cursive owl]

yes !

[normal mist]

keystones start at +2

so yeah, the bigger the number the bigger the rio

[clever sapphire]

I mean teeeechnically you can have a +1 if you manage to deplete a +2

Or atleast im pretty sure

[normal mist]

negative

it does not exist

[raven night]

!mut

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[limber lion]

Beautiful command.

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cursive owl]

is this a good active % ?

[tropic zodiac]

Is there a way to hide poison bombs from the ground ? It goes over swirlies..

[slate crown]

My strategy to hide poison bombs is to not take poison bomb.

in M+

[potent raven]

i take it

this build been working crazy nice lately

[slate crown]

I like the 🦀 🦀 but I'm also bad and a scrub

more like 🦀 🦀

[pure moth]

Tyranical build?

[potent raven]

yea

its tyra but with aoe

its good obss dam

its alright ig

[potent raven]

hehe

[pure moth]

Ill try it later

[potent raven]

its not ideal

if ur key low lvl

because crimson needs high hp mobs

[pure moth]

What key level are you running?

[potent raven]

14-15s rn

wbu

[limber lion]

Not really

[pure moth]

10s. Haven't done higher yet

[limber lion]

The bleed build is perfect for low level because you burst everything with Sudden Demise

And CT contributes to that heavily

[slate crown]

WAIT I HAVE A GIF IDEA give me time I'm new to this

[nimble zinc]

For what kind of content? Tyrannical keys? Raid?

[potent raven]

tyra keys

[potent raven]

hm i see fair point havent thought of it

[nimble zinc]

High keys or low keys?

I feel like the execute and AOE shiv on the bottom left are helpful tho.

[pure moth]

They said 14/15s

[nimble zinc]

Damn. Impressive.

[potent raven]

only attempts at 15s were depleted by like

few stupid mistakes

need to get rest on 14 asap so it gets easier to pug

[nimble zinc]

Does Whyspr bless this?

[potent raven]

not sure dont care

think its

a build from wowhead

[clever sapphire]

pretty sure thats the hybrid build

[potent raven]

ye

[cursive owl]

can someone be proud on me qwq sakareth HC 15% wipe , i cant get orange >w<

[pure moth]

Don't look at ilvl parse

[balmy condor]

Based

[potent raven]

lmao

ly

[balmy condor]

Feel empowered to play whatever you want

Just don’t drop iron wire or I’ll clown you

[main cloud]

could any1 explain why we dont buy any weapons for bullions?

i mean its not reccomended

[limber lion]

Get daggies from DoTI

[main cloud]

2?

😄

[violet jackal]

a dagger is easy to come by, trinkets and rings and very rare raids drop are much hardre

[limber lion]

You can get a high level dagger from any raid but a specific trinket once every 3 weeks

Or vault

Or whatever

But at the end of the day do what makes sense for your character

If you got trinkets, buy a weapon

[potent raven]

lol damn

bricked a bh 13 on last boss

cuz no burst on otem

sp/aug/assa

[strange python]

How many targets do you maintain rupture on in a really big pull, feel like I sometimes don’t get to envenom for a long time spending everything on rupture

[mint imp]

outlaw main here learning assa, im doing around 50 - 60k dps over my sim on the ST training dummy, my breakdown compared to what raidbots has is pretty much bar for bar the same +-1%. is raidbots just busted?

[strange python]

Did you change details settings so it doesn’t reset after vanishing?

[nimble zinc]

Sadge

[mint imp]

yeah

[clever sapphire]

is it perma execute

that happens alot

i mean the dummy

[nimble zinc]

True. Training dummies maintain low health

[mint imp]

ahhh, yeah. ty

[lime edge]

Just do hoi

And kill that one boss that starts at 30%

[clever sapphire]

and leave group after

[earnest remnant]

jus gotta do more dmg

[red wolf]

[potent raven]

beastmode

[spice spire]

Don’t inflate his ego

He don’t need it

[slate crown]

Why did I spend time on this @keen spruce you enabled this

[vestal wren]

i am out of the loop what am i looking at

[slate crown]

Something old and irrelevant now that I dredged up to beat to death once more with my new found tool

#assassination message

[spice spire]

Why

[vestal wren]

oh wait, wasn't i involved in the creation of this unholy build?

[slate crown]

Possibly

[vestal wren]

it remembers me of some of the "how bad could it be" builds

neverless, thanks for the reference 👍

[potent raven]

gonna try this in keys wish me luck

[late birch]

Theres no reason to ever run both non-lethal poisons with Tempered Blades right? One should be enough? Not sure if there is any interaction with energy regen or dps when not running both.

weakaura shouting to apply all four but dont wanna use crippling for sanguine

[runic hinge]

It applies stacks for kb

[late birch]

just says lethal though

[runic hinge]

[gusty mirage]

if you're playing vicious venoms you're sacrificing 2% damage

but more sanguine healing is worse than losing 2% dam

err

lethal dose

sorry not vicious venoms

which doesn't work on bosses because crippling doesn't apply to them

🫠

[late birch]

figured there was some weird ass interaction im not seeing D:

so best to just always use all 4 with DTB in dungeon

[gusty mirage]

ye or just skip crippling on sanguine weeks

it's honestly kinda whatever

[slate crown]

Because you typically want all 4, would have to think about how to best suppress the WA showing up

because I know my pack would behave like that

and if you're intentionally not, it'd be pretty annoying with that in the middle of the screen

[late birch]

yeah, unloaded that stuff now

[gusty mirage]

ye I'd just disable it for this week to get it off your screen

[slate crown]

Yeah the non-lethals are just wahtever anyways, and generally when you are applying poisons (at least for me), applying one means I'm applying them all because I do it all at the same time so I typically won't forget if it's not telling me

However if there's a way to know sanguine is active to suppress the second non-lethal check... I know the M+ tracker aura shows current affixes

I'll think about it

[gusty mirage]

ocd twinsies

[slate crown]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/API_C_ChallengeMode.GetActiveKeystoneInfo

[runic hinge]

I just don’t run dtb on sanguine weeks

[potent raven]

halls even on 14 felt rly bad idk how to explain it

the packs b1 1st boss

have mobs w too little hp

like 2-3 mobs that are high hp in each pack and they get melted so quick

cuz only 40m

[bronze pike]

cloak check

[wide ferry]

@earnest remnant You running AP or the cleave build w that damage?

[spice spire]

Mf I’m six months clean still

[runic hinge]

But I rolled the bones for your return

[spice spire]

Outlaw? Miss me with that

[wide ferry]

Im havin trouble deciding between those builds, i hate not having 4 poisons but love having CT, and wowhead says CT is best in m+. Sybelisa (youtube dude) does a hybrid but doesnt take iron wire which f that.

[potent raven]

hes not that great

[bronze pike]

weak

not getting the cool lego cloak toy

[wide ferry]

@potent raven facts im basically doin more already

[potent raven]

yeah hes just like showin off

hybrid build feels good but need to get used to no blindside etc

[dark token]

what is this build

[keen spruce]

[barren yarrow]

is there any dungeons we should do im trying to figure out which ones to prioritize

[balmy condor]

There’s no good dungeon trinkets, so it’s just whatever slots you need to fill

[slate crown]

Idn I just remembered it as a meme and inspiration struck when I opened the gif editor tool #assassination message

Sometimes when you try to learn something new you just have to make silly bullshit

[narrow basalt]

hey, should I go wafting or sophic devotion on sin?

[barren yarrow]

yeah i figured, i got ashes and torch but im gonna fill with head slot or neck

my dream crafted i have are cloak and ring

[shy pecan]

Best to sim it for what is best for your gear

[narrow basalt]

true true, never simmed before. Bit of a newbie 💀 Imma try it tho, ty.

[shy pecan]

!sim

!simc

I swore we had a command for sims

[narrow basalt]

haha np, imma find out

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[narrow basalt]

I am so confused. I am basically 5x my single target damage on assassination compared to outlaw. Is it just more forgiving, or am I missing something with outlaw? 😅 Wanted to learn both, but sin comes easier ig.

[ember mural]

[lavish lichen]

Minor thing on the guide

https://gyazo.com/dcb138e65e4da60e5a9d5f053a5658de

says Ashes is from tindral

[twin finch]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[shy pecan]

Forgot this was the command thanks!

[strange python]

would you guys got the sark cape

its good or a bait?

[balmy condor]

Whoops

[balmy condor]

I would assume you didnt sim with a slow main hand

Outlaw can’t double dagger

[narrow basalt]

I have 1 one hand and 1 dagger. Idk what it is, but I am doing something wrong 😅

[woeful meteor]

law is def a harder, but dealing 5x the dmg on sin means you are either not pressing buttons or completly missunderstood the fundamentals on law

[spice sentinel]

cloak wont make or break your parse but if you ever die early or to something like a swirl you better believe you will get called out for the cloak lol.

[slender trench]

yall use a macro to tell the priest when to pi you in keys

or just assume they know

[quaint flare]

is sudden demise working in remix?

[quaint flare]

its just not proccing

is this weird scaling issues or am i fundamentally misunderstanding how this works

[runic hinge]

Probably weird scaling

[slate crown]

Open world SD has always had buggy behavior

[woeful meteor]

for heal priest I'd probably macro, but those dont exist and sp send on their own cds

[potent lintel]

Why isnt heatbound medallion up there among gg mythic plus trinkets

[woeful meteor]

openworld trinket so probably bad anyway, no main stat, dmg trinket witch is generally weaker for sin over a stat on use/passive, bad cd that fucks your second cd set of a fight

[potent lintel]

but boon is listed as A- Trinket?

i mean at least this yhoure not immobile and does decent damage

[woeful meteor]

only m+ aoe

[potent lintel]

well thats what im referring to

from a M+ AOE trinket heatbound medallion isnt even mentioned

[woeful meteor]

whats max ilvl on medallion

it's an open world trinket

they pretty much all suck

[potent lintel]

fair enough

[woeful meteor]

This is ST and M+ assuming it could reach 528 which it cant, but I have no clue where open world gear is capped at currently
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ohdAAuZjUXvSrKfLuuirVf
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bd8uU3p1HzNMzxU7op7Cqq

for Keys no one would play those talents, boon or the cape, but that's what sims highest

[frosty reef]

did sin get buffed?

[slate crown]

On 5/7 Yes, see pins. Not since that

[past bobcat]

What build we running in keys below 14

[slate crown]

Probably arterial

That's all I'm running

[rotund oak]

no u are just trying to force a proc

should try it on a key,it procs pretty often

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[queen egret]

When spreading bleeds at the start of a pull with IC, is it better to swap targets so you apply 3 pr cast rather than 2?

[spice surge]

Yes

Unless theres like 5 targets, since then youll be hitting everything without needing to swap

[ashen breach]

Anybody played around with Boon for m+ ?

[ivory flower]

Very strong, especially on big pulls, very risky, can be unplayable in some keys

[ashen breach]

Is it reccomendable if i only play m+ on it or should i just stick to grief ashe combo ? I guess it is pretty bad on ST

[spice surge]

Not worth the hassle

[ivory flower]

You can try it, it's very good for bh and academy

But I prefer grieftorch, it's safer and we already have big aoe. An instant burst is better, and we lack instant burst. Like for the totems of last boss from BH

Boss from neltharus take more damage when chains are broken, in nokhud the storm boss take more dmg when you have 10 stacks and you can burst with the trinket etc..

[subtle tundra]

sacrificing even more st for aoe when aoe is already our strong point

[spice surge]

Its also really annoying since you want to use ashes and your cooldowns on big pulls, but you cant use two trinkets at the same time

[ivory flower]

Grieftorch isn't that good for aoe

[spice surge]

Not without the technology

[ivory flower]

Always use grieftorch 20 sec before vendetta or after

[ashen breach]

Yea that makes sense ty for the tips!

[ivory flower]

Sprint + grieftorch still works

?

[dark token]

You need the tech

[dark token]

Mythic boon sims worse than mythic grief for me even without the tech

I'm considering call to suffering + ashes tho

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck is the tech?!? 😭

[lavish hazel]

does envenom count as input of poison in kingsbane ?

like is it better to have 100% uptime on it or just spam and whatever

[balmy condor]

uptime is always better cause your auto attacks are the vast vast VAST majority of poison applications

but envenom does count as an application yes

[ivory flower]

Still waiting for the " tech"

Isn't it sprint + grief?

And grief bug and does more hits

[balmy condor]

yes

that's a "tech"

[ivory flower]

Don't work on dummies

[spice surge]

The mobs need to be moving and need to be stacked

[balmy condor]

^

[spice surge]

So its quite limited

[ivory flower]

So you need a dh

[spice surge]

No, but it helps

[balmy condor]

It’s generally also only really something high end m+ cares about on their push

So amongst that community you’re basically guaranteed a vdh to begin with

The meta circle jerk goes giga hard

[gaunt mortar]

Good morning and good evening, my question is I’ve been playing outlaw for everything and trying to go sin for everything. Would yall say sin is comparable to outlaw or is it still falling behind for raid and m+ content ?

[clever sapphire]

did i hear circle jerk? im in

[clever sapphire]

id say sin is 100% better in raid (even without pi)

cant say anything about m+

[boreal cloud]

Sin is better for raid because most fights are so short that you will get one Deathmark in lust and one deathmark in execute and then the boss is dead

[royal lantern]

assa is better cus outlaw is outlaw

[grand comet]

do i wanna play crimson tempest only in uldaman? seeing that only that dung is being used (looking at build popularity)

[slate crown]

What key levels?

[grand comet]

10-12

[royal lantern]

you play it on all dungeons

lol

[slate crown]

I would just use ct everywhere unless you’re pushing much higher. Ct fucks hard

[grand comet]

ct did sim better in dslice just wanted to double check, picking rogue back up after some time so better ask incase of build was used in a specific way

[boreal cloud]

do IC garrote/rupture smart target?

[royal lantern]

yess

[versed sapphire]

Whats the best assa guide out there? Feel like im underperforming alot

[clever sapphire]

whispyrs youtube videos

id say

[versed sapphire]

Idk what im missing out on

My sim is only shoiwng like 300 ST

[junior aurora]

are you hitting the sim

[versed sapphire]

Even droptimizer 522 from all m+ dungeons

[versed sapphire]

Hitting?

[junior aurora]

like getting close to it on a dummy

[versed sapphire]

Oh, i mean yeah pretty close to it

On raid bosses

But i see 95th precentile being like 80-90k above what im simming

[junior aurora]

are you getting power infusion

aug buffs on fights with shields/damage amps

fight length ending in :30

[versed sapphire]

Nah no aug or pi

But still, are sims just low then?

Thats my main questioin

Im simming 20-30k below my outlaw ST

[junior aurora]

is your gear all crit vers with very little haste/mast?

[versed sapphire]

4.7 mast, 2k haste, 5.4k crit 4.5k vers

[junior aurora]

like simming droptimizer will show you some upgrades

[versed sapphire]

Yeah i did that

[junior aurora]

i can sim myself rq and see what its at

[versed sapphire]

That'd be great

Every droptimizer drop is like .5% though which doesnt seem like alot

[junior aurora]

adds up

[versed sapphire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9yFixmHBrwDJxjCN6QV4pX

[clever sapphire]

ye assa has been the bottom simming spec all season pretty much

[versed sapphire]

I need a new trink mainly

[clever sapphire]

last season aslo

[versed sapphire]

But damn

[clever sapphire]

you dont have an on use

[junior aurora]

logging in now

[clever sapphire]

already a lot of dps loss

[versed sapphire]

Yeah ashes is a 10k dps upgrade

Ive seen

[strange python]

Not having an on use is huge

[clever sapphire]

2 bsl enchants also missing

[versed sapphire]

I dont see how BSL + on use is like 80k higher simming though

Is that legit?

[junior aurora]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iFFxckpss1cz7AgZN9c6kZ heres my sim

[earnest remnant]

well its not just that

[junior aurora]

about 10 ilvls lower but10k up on damage

[earnest remnant]

you are also missing like 8 ilvls from whats BiS

which is alot of stats

[junior aurora]

yeah each individual upgrade might "only" be 0.5%

but it adds up

across every slot

[versed sapphire]

I see

[strange python]

It’s also just 5 minutes is not a great sim for ass, it’s the standard sim but kill times are way different

[earnest remnant]

well its anywhere between 4-6min

[strange python]

Fight ends at 4:25 or smth and the number is yuge

[junior aurora]

yeah fights ending in 30 are great

[strange python]

Ye but I meant in regards to his question why logs are so much higher than sims

[junior aurora]

bc you get an extra cd fully out

[strange python]

5 mins just won’t have the same number as 4:30 or 6:30

As long as 2mins + full cd after that number yuge

[earnest remnant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uBWmXP799FbRfD8oosJGqq
thats mine for example

with pretty messed up stats

cuz i mainly play sub

[versed sapphire]

Dayum

Alright

[junior aurora]

get an ashes from vendor

your damage will go way up

[versed sapphire]

Yeah that was my idea

[boreal cloud]

ashes bis bussin on assa frfr

[versed sapphire]

Im tired of parsing 95 on outlaw and still being bottom dps

It just isnt enjoyable

[earnest remnant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fQgxji24nBg1Y8wdsvD7sR
with recrafting

[high jetty]

So how are you guys playing the last boss in brackenhide on a 15+

We got it last night, but had one totem go off

[earnest remnant]

Pool energy before they spawn, so you have some dmg for it

[high jetty]

I was putting up both bleeds: but in hindsight. Rupture is probably not worth

[earnest remnant]

and good boss movement for whenever you have cds ticking on the boss

[high jetty]

Yeah, we do that for sure

It’s the totems where we didn’t have KB on boss, or wings available that were rough

[earnest remnant]

and then you would just do a like a grieftorch rotations on the ones without cds lining up

[high jetty]

Yeah, we had 2 torches. Helps a ton

[earnest remnant]

same as you did in season 2 with Beacons

[violet jackal]

I hold grieftorch for a totem

[quaint flare]

isnt it meant to proc on every mob

[high jetty]

Yes. I mean more for me specifically rather than as a group. Like of course we aren’t going to carry the totem dam as assa. But am I correct in thinking rupture is a waste. I’m pretty sure it’s a waste

[violet jackal]

it's a enery reset we take thos everytime

[earnest remnant]

pretty sure all you can really do is prepare 5+ cps

into rupture the totem into as many evenoms as you can

[violet jackal]

^

[high jetty]

Yeah, I mean that’s what I did

[violet jackal]

soemtimes i sacrifice a shiv for the greater good

[high jetty]

But rupture is just so little dam. I was considering not even bothering with rupture and just going garote shiv envenom spam

It is a lot of energy back though you’re right

I think I just send the shiv when we get the 16/17 key. That’s the only change worth making

And make the hunter bring torch

lul

[violet jackal]

just bring a retribution paladin and warlock and tell them it's their problem

[scenic nacelle]

[high jetty]

We play ret BM

So let’s be honest. I don’t really contribute to the totem lol

But still, I like to do what I can

[earnest remnant]

fairly sure you should be playing Mindnumbing on it as well

iirc

it works on that cast

for some reason

unless they fixed that between patches

[high jetty]

That’s insanely OP if true

[slate crown]

Which buff should I take from AA?

[earnest remnant]

crit or haste

[unique summit]

Heal rec %

[clever sapphire]

dang i always took mastery assuming its the best

[slate crown]

NGL I never get the right one because their color coordination is dogshit

like which one is crit

must be red

because RED GEMS

are CRIT GEMS

SO WHY THE FUCK IS RED VERSATILITY

Ah ok green, must be haste LIKE THE GREEN GEMS

Nope

fuck you get heal %

ditship

[proven jasper]

i love how they’re completely different than the oce colors

[limber lion]

Crit >>>

The only stat which affects gameplay feel

[clever sapphire]

sooo which one is crit

[slate crown]

I still don't know

[clever sapphire]

it must be black

green is not, red its not, blue is mastery and i think haste is yellow

[slate crown]

Which color Cev.

WHICH COLOR

[limber lion]

Black

Superior Dragonflight anyways

🕺

[slate crown]

Thx friendo

[nimble zinc]

Q: does anyone take iron wire on boss fights where adds need to be kicked, i.e. Sark and Fyrakk?

or like an aoe blind?

[keen spruce]

AoE blind

[clever sapphire]

aoe blind and blackjack ftw

[keen spruce]

IW doesn't really work cuz the adds would need to spawn right as you get a stealth window

or they'd need to be kicked*

u know what i mean

AoE blind and and BJ good enough

[clever sapphire]

i could get behind the bj part

[keen spruce]

AI BJ

[slate crown]

[neon lodge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nimble zinc]

im sorry what is blackjack?

ohhh nvm isee it

[keen spruce]

BJ good on like tindral adds that are pulsing dmg

and maybe like echo of nelth adds

stuff like that

[nimble zinc]

yeah i was thinking mostly fyrakk adds and sark adds

[slate crown]

How good is the shield ring, defensively speaking? Does it feel noticable at all in M+? It says "Chance" to, which is rough for us because our fire damage is already low uptime / inconsistent, but it could be nice if it was a guaranteed shield every GT

[nimble zinc]

following, I was gonna get it just for the huge mastery bonus, only fire dmg comes from the head enchant + grieftorch i think

[slate crown]

I'm considering it next for next bullion

[strange python]

Dunno it’s a big mastery ring which sometimes gives you a shield, comparison is always - what do the other rings do besides nothing

[silk bane]

bro was being held hostage on tindral so hard he thinks he gotta give tindral bjs so tindral doesnt go hard on em smh

[slate crown]

I mean

It's definitely good to have on the ring, just weighing it vs the other bullion options I don't have yet (really just the weapon, but I don't have a consistent aspect crest intake so bullion dagger doesn't immediately = ilvl upgrade)

[strange python]

Oh I see

[slate crown]

(Already have torch+ashes+dmg ring)

[nimble zinc]

same here, i have one awakened dagger, the other is champ, just replaced a vet

[strange python]

You could probably sim the dagger at whatever upgrade you could get it to vs the ring at the same upgrade

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sometimes-good-men-have-to-do-real-bad-things-john-dutton-kevin-costner-yellowstone-sometimes-you-have-to-do-bad-things-gif-23736983

[slate crown]

Yeah I'm only a 3/9M pug casual rn so

[slate crown]

Eh it's not really a dmg consideration I'm making, just wondering about its defensiveness

[silk bane]

me cosplaying as tindral next blizzcon on a mission to find a duck with a phd

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

Armin you blew our cover

We typed at the same time

Now they know..

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-joe-biden-microphone-interview-walk-gif-2478024445377708296

its joever they know

[slate crown]

BTW something that's bothered me about ashes

Look at its icon

The border on the icon is red

[nimble zinc]

yeah?

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

It's almost like to make the icon, they just took a pre-existing icon and changed the color setting to red

[keen spruce]

is that the default icon

[slate crown]

rather than re-coloring the icon itself

[keen spruce]

they didn't even trim the black corners off

[slate crown]

Yeah

that's just a weakaura for equipped trinkets

[keen spruce]

could fix it

in pixlr

[nimble zinc]

lazy design choice my guess

[strange python]

It’s from mages ice cold no?

Just red

[slate crown]

IT could be

they could have literally taken that icon

[nimble zinc]

I do UI for a living and i'd get yelled at for releasing that to a prod environment lol

[slate crown]

and cranked its color pallette to red

[keen spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=414658/ice-cold

[slate crown]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

I noticed it awhile ago but like

guys

what are we doing

what are **you ** doing

[nimble zinc]

sheer lazyness

[keen spruce]

I'm just sittin here drinkin some water

[strange python]

I’m just Pushin P

[keen spruce]

about to go shoot some guns with some friends

at a range down in portland

[strange python]

I wanna go shoot some guns

[keen spruce]

then do all of the HW i didn't do this week