assassination

[balmy condor]

and slaps plague onto it

if they focus it up a little, I think it's cool

[grim jay]

I honestly dont know why the AA and builders need to be in there at all

[balmy condor]

but right now it's just kind of a jumble of "put plague on everything"

[ashen oriole]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Maybe they try to see which abilities we hate on

[cursive owl]

Whispyyyr ♥ ?

i need help UwU

Kagni looks insane , Eonars is also Crazy , and the Boots are crit mastery from Brackenhide 😒 i cant decide qwq

[grim jay]

Are the boots hero or mythic track

[slate crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1233411543421681724/rl7mgpak53rc1.webp

[slate crown]

Gotta be hero ^

[cursive owl]

boots are hero :3

currently put it into top gear at raidbots >w>

uhh

it tells me to take 2 items xD

boots for real yeh , 17k dps upgrade but , the belt is there also with a shadow clasp so O_O i think boots are better then ! :3

[clever sapphire]

belt is just that you should enchant it

it tells you to take the boots

[cursive owl]

OK

[clever sapphire]

and put the enchant on your current belt

[cursive owl]

ahhh

[clever sapphire]

but the enchant is only stam, so thats no dps increase, its just a sim variatey

[cursive owl]

but my belt got a socket already O-o

[clever sapphire]

variety

[cursive owl]

ahhh i see

nvmn

thank you !

[clever sapphire]

ye and it tells you to enchant it, not socket it

you can have both on 1 item

[grim jay]

Boots are probably the best anyways. You can get better necks in m+ aswell

[cursive owl]

yes LUL somehow i thought we can add a extra socket on it

my neck >w>

[finite gazelle]

What embalishment does assa run, blue silken?

[rocky sluice]

do assasiantion rogues run wounding poision on sanguine week?

and if yes what do I get rid of lol

[clever sapphire]

you get rid of 10% dmg if you run wounding

so its your choice

just tell your tank to move his ass

problem solved

also wouldnt recommend running slow poison

[grim jay]

You wanna have 2 (4 with DTB) poisons applied at all times and wound isnt one of them

[clever sapphire]

cant run 4 poisons if i dont run dtb

[grim jay]

True

Fixed it for you

[clever sapphire]

and i dont think i will touch cleave this week

ah i wasnt trying to nitpick

(maybe a little bit)

[true condor]

tomorrow is my vault

[grim jay]

No its alright, new people might get confused

[true condor]

after 16hrs

[grim jay]

I already cant get anything useful

[clever sapphire]

i got 2 sockets

[grim jay]

Except some small stat switches

[clever sapphire]

i can still get a belt and ring

guess which one of those i didnt get

[true condor]

if i got socket this week, i would make elemental labriet

bc i already got 8 slots

[wide ferry]

U guys use the adaptive targeting where it automatically swaps to who youre facing or do you tab.

[grim jay]

Thats a thing?

I just Tab or click

[wide ferry]

yes. lol

[potent raven]

No i just click

[grim jay]

Sounds like a Controller targeting System

[clever sapphire]

same, is adaptive targeting a blizzard default option?

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

no idea what that even does

[wide ferry]

in options, its under combat, at the bottom

[clever sapphire]

wait is that why it autotargets bosses in raid sometimes when we are doing ready check

[balmy condor]

I've never heard of that either

that's wild

when did they add that

[normal mist]

Those community keys aren't good for your mental health

[clever sapphire]

wait i just saw that message, 112 deaths

wth

i would have left after 5

thats commitment to an 8 if i ever saw one

[potent raven]

I leave after first wipe

Lol

[clever sapphire]

ye 5 deaths

if its an easier key where it could have been some dumb mistake i give the group another chance

but wiping twice in the tree boss room in academy to the trash

thats an insta leave for me

[potent raven]

I depleted like 10aas on trash

Its unimaginable

[potent raven]

Ye

[clever sapphire]

whats the fastest key to farm on 8s btw

[royal lantern]

AA or RLP i gues

[honest needle]

hey can someone help me

when we garrot do we double garrote same target or do we spam garrote on multiple when we come out of stealth and same with vanish and shadow dance ?

[clever sapphire]

aight so aa it is

i have bad experience with rlp pugs

[clever sapphire]

comes down to target count in short and how controlled you want your garrote

there is no "always do this"

5 targets you can garrote 1 target twice, 6 you can target swap once so you also only need 2 garrotes

i personally just garrote the casters and 1 main guy

so i have around 6-7 garrotes out

[honest needle]

so doing garrote 2 x on 1 target will put it on 6 ?

[clever sapphire]

(8-10 keys only because i only do weeklys, but im gonna assume this would be the way on higher keys also)

[tall atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

2x on 1 target will put it on 5

it garrotes your target and IC spreads to 2 additional

[honest needle]

what if i put garrote on 2 seperate

how many will go out

[clever sapphire]

logically 6

[honest needle]

do i ever want to put it on 3 seprate ?

[clever sapphire]

it trys to target mobs without garrote on them

[runic hinge]

9 targets

[clever sapphire]

academy first pull is like that for me, 3 big plants where i try to target them

[clever sapphire]

nobody counts past 6 mobs lets be real here

[runic hinge]

I hardly garrote three times tbh

usually I'll garrote twice then ct because i love ct then fok rup fok rup then go into kb stuff but I spam garrote in dance

[clever sapphire]

so you do garrote multiple times

[runic hinge]

and i figure 10% dam on ct hitting everything is worth more than 10% dam on 3 ruptures

[clever sapphire]

wait sanguine is a 10+ key affix

so i wont have to deal with that

[runic hinge]

do 1 ten and run dtb and make sure to have crippling going just cause

[clever sapphire]

i could see myself doing it

also pressing shiv when mobs are getting dragged around

[junior aurora]

need them clumped up for spatter cleave

sanguine be damned just means the mob will live long enough

[clever sapphire]

im gonna use this argument in pugs if i ever do a 10

[rotund oak]

💀

pugs and 10s

malignant combination

[honest needle]

@clever sapphire i pmed u

[clever sapphire]

wait i know what i will do, i will try the cooked tc build

with the no iw

it doesnt even have aoe blind, god damn

[runic hinge]

utility? we don't do that here

[clever sapphire]

heck i wont even talent atro poison

i will just untalent that

nvm i need that for the 4 poisons

actually the more i look at the build the less i wanna play it

[runic hinge]

is this the dtb no amp?

[hexed frost]

Made a new char just for playing assa.

How is assa viable in high keys? I heard last time it's pumping in keys

[clever sapphire]

this one

[runic hinge]

amp over ap?

no light weight shiv

ugly

I hate it

[clever sapphire]

i mean i just realised that that sim is running icon and boon

so not even ashes for your cooldown

its truly a dungeon slice shitshow sim

also only 1 in scent

[runic hinge]

I want to run ashes and nelth and i bought torch

[junior aurora]

only 1 in scent can be done

theoretically an extra point in scent doesnt raise the agi you get overall

[clever sapphire]

watched quite a few keys from zero and yap, to me it looks like a replacement for fire mage (not sure how correct that is)

[junior aurora]

nah i dont think it can realistically replace mage

its squishy and has half the stops

[hexed frost]

One question, in pugs or on spiteful weeks when tank is not giving downtime to stealth, is it okay to waste dance/vanish to get empower garrotes and IC?

No dance in kingsbane I guess

[balmy condor]

that's not a waste, that's what they're there for

[hexed frost]

True

I was reading the guide, about using dance inside kingsbane or vanish inside deathmark I guess

But yeah, garrote stronks

[junior aurora]

i mean yeah you do that for optimal damage but its better to use dance/vanish for IC if you arent getting restealths in aoe

[sharp viper]

oh that looks interesting

[clever sapphire]

and it should end there, it looks interesting

[sharp viper]

yeah, i would never drop SD in m+

[cursive owl]

i was just a key to completion xD with guildies so :3 we experimentet with twinks

[junior aurora]

got some bad news for you

[clever sapphire]

watching zero is always a cursed experience

no IW, running wound poison

[balmy condor]

I just felt my entire face crumble

into omega cringe

[grim jay]

Hes definitely really good and totally not carried by the amount he plays

[clever sapphire]

and he died to dragon frontal lul

[grim jay]

Never does questionable things

[potent raven]

Wow

[normal mist]

"just" you know most people would have left the key once it was no longer doable / in time xD

[potent raven]

Hater energy in the chat today

[grim jay]

Probably because you slandered him

[balmy condor]

"today"

[clever sapphire]

i mean he died after whispyrs message, so is it truly me

[balmy condor]

it's not like we haven't tried to help

he just cooks

[midnight mist]

wtf this is a banger chat, imma reroll to sin i think

[balmy condor]

until the entire neighborhood burns

[midnight mist]

good energy in here

[potent raven]

lmao

[junior aurora]

his brain is cooked

[grim jay]

Thought you are zacssination anyways

[junior aurora]

stuck his head in the microwave

[royal lantern]

ofc, we are pooling

[normal mist]

The best energy

[midnight mist]

zacocool ye

[grim jay]

Dang

You just

Cursed yourself

[midnight mist]

wtf wrong one

[grim jay]

But honestly the name is hot

Make it your alt

[midnight mist]

my alt is already zacuwu tho

altough i could make a third rogue but

[runic hinge]

zac let me tell you about crimson tempest

[cursive owl]

ye sure

[midnight mist]

not sure i feel like it anymore

[grim jay]

Zacocool would be a nice mage or fdk

[midnight mist]

i got told ct was troll in low keys

any knowers

[runic hinge]

CT is good in all keys

[midnight mist]

not in mines !

[balmy condor]

say zacocool 3 times in a mirror and you start having delusions of CT in single target

[potent raven]

kappa

[runic hinge]

probably better in low keys tbh

[grim jay]

Didnt he just accept it once and did better

To just go back to cooking right after

[balmy condor]

for about a week

[clever sapphire]

i think i remember your chat telling you to run cleave in low keys

[balmy condor]

it lasted precisely that fort week

[midnight mist]

ye

[balmy condor]

the next week was tyranical

[clever sapphire]

the build thats not suggested in keys under 12 or so

[balmy condor]

and he jumped off the balcony again

[midnight mist]

well tbh i have no idea what build im supposed to run

cause fuu sheet is different than wowhead

and zerocool guy

[grim jay]

Maybe its something about tyra that changes people

[midnight mist]

is another

and idk what sin is or does

[runic hinge]

AP is good

[midnight mist]

but i enjoyed what i played a bit

altough no acro

not fun

[junior aurora]

acro griefs u anyway bc ull outrange spatter

[grim jay]

Just mog bigger daggers

[midnight mist]

what

[balmy condor]

what

[midnight mist]

isnt spatter around the mob

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim jay]

What

[royal lantern]

i think he means IC?

[midnight mist]

idk what ic is

[balmy condor]

ic is also around the mob

[royal lantern]

cus IC can be weird with acro

[midnight mist]

[grim jay]

ICQ

[royal lantern]

then idk

[balmy condor]

also IC is way longer than melee

[royal lantern]

acro gone anyway in a couple months

[midnight mist]

!abb

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abbreviations: http://www.ravenholdt.net/rogue-abbreviations/

[royal lantern]

who cares about acro at this point

[balmy condor]

yeah good luck with that one

ravenholdt.net

good one moroes

[midnight mist]

I still dont know what ic is

this didnt help

[balmy condor]

carnage

[royal lantern]

the aoe dot Spread

[balmy condor]

technically did help

banger

[midnight mist]

oh

[balmy condor]

oxi actually updated that webpage

[true condor]

ic ic

[balmy condor]

what a chad

[midnight mist]

ye couldnt find

this needs a ctrl f

i just realized

cause holy

[royal lantern]

oxi doing his Internet jaintor job

[true condor]

2 years ago

[grim jay]

I was just about to ask

[balmy condor]

if you wanna do it go ahead

[grim jay]

If it always was like that

[midnight mist]

I mean the one i did for outlaw could be ctrl fed

[true condor]

wish i could help, where can i apply for this job

[balmy condor]

webpage gets less traffic than my dad and he's been fucking divorced for 22 years

[midnight mist]

it aint no fancy stuffs like the sin one tho

[balmy condor]

job

[true condor]

[balmy condor]

y'all funny today

[midnight mist]

so while im here

can i get a tldr as to why

wowhead talents are not the same as fuu sheet

and zerocool is also a bit different altough its just small stuffs

[balmy condor]

I don't open fuu's sheet

[midnight mist]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

and zerocool is cooked

[true condor]

[clever sapphire]

fuus sheet has the tc cooked top sim dslice build

and all i know is that whispyr has a fun relationship with the mention of dungeonslice and dmg

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice dogshit

awful fucking sim style

nothing to do

[true condor]

what should we sim in m+

[midnight mist]

here

[clever sapphire]

also that build runs boon and call to suffering, i cant even imagine not running ashes

[balmy condor]

yeah so the one on the left sucks ass cause no iron wire

and you'd be a fool to run that

[polar timber]

does cs cleave envenom dmg and or envenom tier dmg

[balmy condor]

also that tree makes the argument that arterial precision, the bottom left capstone, is worse than dashing

which is insane

[runic hinge]

only 1 shiv charge

[balmy condor]

yeah 1 shiv charge is aids to play as well

if you hate no acro

1 shiv charge is the anti-christ

[runic hinge]

I'm a big AP fan too so no way would I drop that

[balmy condor]

well AP is fine

that's like a cleave-ish build

the one on the right is a standard bleed build

no dtb, so amp suck

[grand trail]

i really wanted socket shees and i have the bis cloak and neck

[runic hinge]

wait why is it not taking AOE blind tho

[junior aurora]

if you’re running cleave build i could see dropping ap and an execute point for scent of blood

[runic hinge]

and no blackjack

[balmy condor]

that's just utility idc bout that

[true condor]

i am running this

[balmy condor]

what the fuck is that

[junior aurora]

bac trolling keys no iw

[true condor]

uh something m+

[balmy condor]

you're missing a point somewhere

[grim jay]

I remember trolling you with something similar

[balmy condor]

like the bottom gate

is missing a point

[true condor]

i feel like in st of m+ is quite painful

[junior aurora]

the point is in CT

CT and the fok node leading into it i think

[true condor]

like i need 2 shiv for dmkb

[balmy condor]

oh I see

it's like a hybrid thing

[viral aurora]

ashes and boon the go to trinket for m+? Boon sims pretty bad for me compared to grieftorch, but I know from earlier seasons it used to slap

[balmy condor]

but taking the left

and not finishing

[true condor]

yea CT is good in aoe

[balmy condor]

boon got nerfed, you can still play it for giga aoe pad but grief generally better

[junior aurora]

ashes/grief

[viral aurora]

oh that´s very good to know, glad I asked. Then I will keep the grief ashes and get something else with my precious bullion

[grand trail]

did anyone cata sark cloak yet

[balmy condor]

why the fuck

would you do that

[true condor]

for outlaw

[viral aurora]

so, silent star or one of the rings then?

[balmy condor]

just to get the stam back?

[true condor]

or sub

[grand trail]

cos sark cloak is fake aynway

it never line up with anything and you cant play it in keys

[balmy condor]

is this some "mplusser needs stam" thing I don't get

[balmy condor]

yeh

[grim jay]

People swear it kills you

[balmy condor]

you could at least move the MA point into ap

[grand trail]

there is no cata option in raidbot for sark cloak so i how do i simm it

[balmy condor]

probably have to add it manually through the search

[balmy condor]

true

[grand trail]

yeah worked

it say higher than the season max tho

[balmy condor]

unlucky I guess

[grim jay]

I dont even know how much HP you lose compared to a m cloak

Tbh

[balmy condor]

think 1 stam is maybe 10 or 11 health if I remember

unless they changed the formula

oh there was also that dragonflight healer change thing

where everyone got 25% max health

right

[dark token]

Honestly it's less the stamina and more the destealths thing

[grand trail]

sub 😄

[true condor]

oh mama

[dark token]

Really triggering when it unstealrh you during a shroud skip

[grand trail]

sark cloak getting beated by cata

[balmy condor]

that's so cursed

[true condor]

does the proc will left still?

[dark token]

[balmy condor]

nah

the proc goes away

[dark token]

Is the cloak actually catalystable if you go to the catalyst guy

I heard it was fake news

[grand trail]

this is assa

[true condor]

so its just for the weirdge ilvl

[balmy condor]

yeah that makes sense

stats on sark cloak are real good

[grand trail]

yeah

its vault cloak i can always buy it next week with bulion for assa

[junior aurora]

“catalyzed my sark cloak to buy a second one” is cursed too

[balmy condor]

whole season is cursed

[grand trail]

what do you buy anyway next week

[grim jay]

Which stats does the cata one have?

[grand trail]

when i run sim on S4 vendor there is no upgrade for me

[grim jay]

Uh alright

[grand trail]

maybe i loot sark cloak this week 😄

[sharp viper]

Lul

Can you do that to the awakened sark cloak too?

[final star]

You can only catalyst the natty sark cloak too

the one you buy from the vendor can't be catalysed

[grand trail]

kiunda wild crafted ring beating eranog ring so hard for assa

[sharp viper]

I see

[final star]

where we getting these from

[balmy condor]

just get any boots

[final star]

I got them yeezy's on me fr

[dark token]

same just ordered some

[final star]

finding their way to your next vault

[dark token]

my vault

[final star]

same

[dark token]

at least im max sockets now

[final star]

on all 3 characters

😄

the game spat on my ww

using rashok weapon :)))

[true condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p2NV1YZVzCFseTydShkrxw

i am trying to adjust my stat

but it looks weird

should i follow them

[true condor]

oh i just saw this ty whispyr

[midnight mist]

isnt that s3 tier set

the lucid items

[true condor]

zac zac

i want to suck ur

[midnight mist]

[true condor]

dagger

[midnight mist]

ye thats s3 stuffs

mistake from someone

[solar laurel]

u can get it from Gnarlroot from Amirdrassil

[midnight mist]

sounds fake

[solar laurel]

i meant same state

[final star]

na

stats are opposite

but in the grand scheme

[midnight mist]

ye see

[final star]

yeezys

[midnight mist]

lucid stuffs

[final star]

ultra boost

[midnight mist]

are our tier set

!

[final star]

air max

they all the same

[midnight mist]

cant get it anymore

i knew this guy was capping

master capper

[final star]

calm down zac calm down

gotta hold back a mf

[midnight mist]

[final star]

[rotund oak]

yellow name in this sacred place

quickly sacrifice to the dagger god

[grim jay]

Zacs name is a rainbow

[rotund oak]

true the french flag is 3 colours

thus ''Tri-colour''

[honest needle]

whats the best way to sim for m+

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[honest needle]

i thought above u said d slice was bad

hats what made me ask

[balmy condor]

it is

[honest needle]

thats*

[balmy condor]

you asked whats best

it's the best

but it's dogshit

[honest needle]

so should i jsut sim patchwork then ?

i need to find what gear is best to use

[balmy condor]

???????

I just told you that dungeonslice is the best

[honest needle]

ok ill try it. i was assuming if it was dog shit it wouldnt give me the right info

ill check it

ty

[balmy condor]

I mean

[grim jay]

It doesnt need to be good to be the best

If everything else is worse

[balmy condor]

just cause it's dogshit doesn't mean patchwerk is better

patchwerk is even worse

it's just there's no good way to sim dungeons cause it's too varied

any good dungeon sim either isn't precise enough, doesn't have variance, or is too specific

making a sim that's able to actually balance all that out is really hard

[grim jay]

How about simulating one big dungeon consisting of all the dungeons with all the meta routes and their pulls chained one after another to get the average of everything

[balmy condor]

you laugh

but that's basically the new approach that the TC community is gonna try and get working during 11.0

[grim jay]

Dang and I just threw it around casually

It actually doesnt sound bad, but I dont know how practical it is

Also would need a reference key level or an adjustable modifier

And its one hell of a long simulation

[balmy condor]

yeah

the problem with dungeonroute

is the lack of variance

so it's very easy to overfit

but if you dungeonroute all 8 dungeons

that's like 4 hours of combat time

[digital folio]

I think the main issue is that you are not the only one doing DPS, you have 4 other players that deal dmg as well

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

it's like an hour+ per sim

with no variance

[digital folio]

Can't put that variable in there

[rotund oak]

imagine presing a 4h dslice

[balmy condor]

dungeonroute gets around that by working based off of a % of mob hp

[grim jay]

Does the amount of time thats needed to do a sim increase in proportion to the fight length you sim?

[balmy condor]

well yeah

it needs to execute the events

[digital folio]

I don't see how that has any effect does it just allocate a fixed % of the health bar to you?

[balmy condor]

if a mob has 1mil hp

you set dungeonroute equal to you doing 28% of the dps of the group

so the mob gets simmed with 280k

[obtuse cliff]

is there any way to squize acrobatic strikes into m+ build? Dodging stuff on pulls is so hard without itXD

[grim jay]

So does a sim with 16min take 4 times as long as one with 4 min?

Assuming equal events in the same timeframe

[balmy condor]

lethality + acro instead of deeper strat

[balmy condor]

roughly yes

[grim jay]

I can feel raidbots servers burning

[obtuse cliff]

is it rlly bad in terms of damage to lose deeper strat?

[royal lantern]

i see, you never played with randoms

[balmy condor]

couple %

[subtle tundra]

in wow terms, unplayable

[balmy condor]

I ran a test sim from a command line script at one point after getting an API key, was simming 10 talent builds against each other with a composite of the 8 dungeons in the pool

was a 9 hour sim

I started it, went to bed

woke up

was still goin

[obtuse cliff]

kinda true but ig it doesn't matter as much when doing +8's for weekly

[subtle tundra]

all to tell you dungeonslice is within 1% of your result

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much

[digital folio]

Instead of a SIM I would suggest just recording your gameplay and you look over it afterwards you'll learn much more

[balmy condor]

how does that help with gear comparisons

[grim jay]

I rarely get any enlightenment on my gearing choices while watching replays

[obtuse cliff]

fr

[subtle tundra]

you guys arent playing legion? you swap your gear

fym

[digital folio]

True I wasn't thinking about comparing gears mb, thought you guys wanted to SIM the best possible rotation for your current set up

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

that's also a thing

mostly for me

yeah def

[misty kernel]

😦

[balmy condor]

don't do stupid things

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-i-got-this-whole-cooking-thing-figured-out-beth-dutton-kelly-reilly-yellowstone-i-figure-this-out-gif-23737001

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/my-treasure-makes-chapati-minnie-mouse-cooking-messy-kitchen-dont-know-how-to-cook-gif-15278489

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/desmondpacito-cooking-chef-gif-12378159

Still the best one

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/nosabd-gif-21764219

[misty kernel]

scroll more IG reels xD

[normal mist]

Did you see the one they did for you?

[misty kernel]

I just red your comment about it 🤣🤣

[rotund oak]

habibi love

[normal mist]

I believe I still have them link, I'll dm you

Sent

That was your biggest cook

[cinder grove]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[tawdry dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent raven]

how much dps loss is wound poison

[balmy condor]

5 or 6%

[royal lantern]

its "dont play wound poison" loss

[potent raven]

why not?

i thought i should always take it on sanguine but i was playing sub so it didnt matter that much

[balmy condor]

Correct

[royal lantern]

cus you literally troll your key by doing it as assa

[balmy condor]

Sub does no poison damage

[clever sapphire]

which buff do you guys take in academy btw?

[balmy condor]

So they also lose no poison damage

[potent raven]

yeah fair i can see that now

[balmy condor]

On assa you’d have to play deadly/wound

So you’re swapping amp for wound

Which is just

Real painful

[stable jay]

any tips on how I should set up my keybinds? feels like I have the entire left side of my keyboard binded to something

[potent raven]

u can play amplifying/wound

but no deadly

[balmy condor]

You cannot

[royal lantern]

• im honest, wound poison is borderline cope anyway

like sure, you prevented some healing cus your tank is dogshit and doesbt move and instead of 79% hp they are at 73% hp now

V A L U E

[potent raven]

it lets me

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess you could if you want to lose another 10% damage

[limber lion]

You misunderstood

[balmy condor]

Fuck it why not

[limber lion]

You can, but you 100% should not

[potent raven]

yeah i mean get it

[balmy condor]

Ofc it does

[potent raven]

you can

[balmy condor]

But no caustic

Bye bye damage

[regal sable]

what do you guys think is the least impactful talent changes on the core tree I have to make to get acro strikes?

I'm a monkey who got too used to the good life 😦

[potent raven]

its deeper and alacrity pretty much lol

[fierce hill]

Acro is bad for assa tho

[potent raven]

obvsly u can go no vigor or tea but its troll, just get used to no acro

its not that bad

[regal sable]

it was bad when we had flaring cowl but why would it be bad now

[limber lion]

Because it doesn't affect stuff like Spatter or IC

It's just super whatever as well

[royal lantern]

put abilitys like FoK/CT on the same key

[limber lion]

Just get used to not playing Acro, you're gonna lose it soon anyways

No one's gonna be playing that in a few months

[slate crown]

Also TWW around the corner

Yeah, better to get used to not having it now

[regal sable]

my boy was gone too soon

[royal lantern]

mate, acro doesnt exists anymore in TWW AND doesnt really do anything for assa

[real osprey]

Does someone know what plater setting is that middle icon

[limber lion]

Why are ya'll just repeating everything I say

lmaoo

[limber lion]

Is that a default plater profile?

Shouldn't do that with default plater, but you shouldn't play with default plater to begin with

Just a duplicate of Iron Wire with different settings or whatever.

[real osprey]

its not a default profile, its one i use on another class i removed the iron wire debuff from showing but cant seem to find what setting changes that

[spice surge]

Atleast you can take twist the knife, the best talent available to man

[stable jay]

how do you bind 2 albitites to the same key? is it a macro thing?

[limber lion]

As in put FoK on 3

And CT on Shift + 3

I just personally use a gaming mouse with 12 buttons

which I use like 6 of

[stable jay]

feels like I gotta get one of those playing this game lol

[stable jay]

shift? hows that work?

[potent raven]

u just press

shift and 3

and it casts ct

my ct is on "~"

lol

[limber lion]

You use shift, control and alt as modifier buttons

So you have separate action bars

one for normal binds

one for shift binds

and so on

[stable jay]

but what would I bind ct to, to cast it when I press shift 3?

[spice surge]

Or you have em just bound to shift+3 by default

[rotund oak]

Eleem giving away the tech

[spice surge]

Shift+3

[limber lion]

Shift 3

[rotund oak]

[limber lion]

That's literally what you bind it to

[potent raven]

my binds messed up

[rotund oak]

why dont u mod r-shift/r

same skills,same binds,just on a mcro

[slate crown]

Because why would I make a macro for every single button?

[rotund oak]

idk,less colour irritation on your bars ig

😅

[potent raven]

i cant even see my bars

elvui users rise up

[slate crown]

Default lets you hide now

Based on combat state

[stable jay]

but like

how do I bind it

[slate crown]

Using quick keybind mode, mouse over the action bar slot

Then press shift 3

[potent raven]

are u new to the game?

just wondering

dont emote him like that lol

[limber lion]

It should be one of the automatic binds by default

If you have more than 1 action bar, the second action bar should already be set up for Shift + binds

[rotund oak]

that wasnt even toxic wdym

[limber lion]

You want to make sure to have more action bars available, then just use quick keybind mode

[rotund oak]

dont snowflake

[stable jay]

ty that worked well

[potent raven]

my bad Bro

[stable jay]

picked it up maybe 2 weeks ago

[potent raven]

im feeling a bit soft today but tomorrow my hater energy will come back

i see

pretty cool

[stable jay]

it doesnt for me atleast, kinda odd

[limber lion]

Well it's fine, you figured it out. :)

[rotund oak]

isnt toxic for something that is generic weird as not knowing how to bind a skill,its like elemntary knowledge of gaming.It makes sense for new ppl but never was intended with aggression or mockery

[slate crown]

Also under action bar settings can add more bars if you need.

If you want an example, I posted mine awhile ago with some explanations for why I have it the way I do here: #assassination message

[stable jay]

all good

[stable jay]

ty, ill take a look

[rotund oak]

ik it is,i was even rdy to guide through the binding process,just ppl thinking im going cringe for something that simple

[stable jay]

I see both sides, never know the intent over the internet yk lol?

[rotund oak]

ofc its the wisest thing to do

[limber lion]

[stable jay]

this layout is so nice, ty for the inspiration

[rotund oak]

ik that you know that ik you know

[potent raven]

ngl idk wtf to play

in this week

[earnest remnant]

but random stuff on a dartboard

blindfold yourself

and throw

[subtle tundra]

try things out, have fun

if there's a time to do it

its now!

[potent raven]

fking true

why am i overthinking simpl stuff so much

[royal lantern]

not really tbh, i only have movment abilitys on mouse buttons

like, FoK is R and CT is shift R for me

[balmy condor]

You’re shift R for me

[stable jay]

I like the usage of scroll wheel, i didnt think of that, what do you use to zoom in and out?

[balmy condor]

I keybind all the assa names

[limber lion]

Ctrl + mouse wheel

[stable jay]

mmmmmmmmm

[balmy condor]

Wait really

[limber lion]

But also is there ever a need to zoom in or out?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[stable jay]

thats handy

[limber lion]

Yas

[balmy condor]

I have it unbound

Lmao

[limber lion]

Figured

[balmy condor]

Well

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Numpad +-

Technically

But that’s basically unbound

[limber lion]

Yeah I think my secondary bind is like page up and page down

[stable jay]

its a headache knocking your camera into poles, walls, ect. I zoom in when im inside to reduce the movement of camera

imo

[limber lion]

Fair

I just kinda got used to it

And just move the camera accordingly

[stable jay]

yeah

[limber lion]

To avoid that

[gusty mirage]

How tf did you guys play spires of ascension without zooming in????

Hello?

[slate crown]

I use ctrl+ page up/down, and I don’t commonly change my zoom position, so it being out of the way isn’t much of a problem for me. That said, if you only use mouse wheel for a subset of binds you can bind a modifier to wheel for camera in/out as well

[limber lion]

What even is that dungeon

[true condor]

idky sim always keeping me lowering my Mastery

[limber lion]

Jk

What's the issue with Spires

It's entirely open, no walls or roofs right

[gusty mirage]

Was this your pov?

[rotund oak]

there is an addon that fixates ur camera to max distance even if u wheel zoomin/out

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, I did have to get glasses a month or so ago

Maybe that's the reason

Spires destroyed my eyes

[gusty mirage]

Beautiful blinding light and trees is all I remember

[limber lion]

That sounds like most useless addon I've ever heard of

[gusty mirage]

What a dogshit dungeon

[limber lion]

Literally just unbind zoom

[clever sapphire]

any feckin dragon boss where im hidden under its wings so i have to zoom in to see shit

[stable jay]

yeah thats was I was thinking to do if not the ctrl + mouse wheel

[limber lion]

Why would you need to see there anyways

[gusty mirage]

Yeah big fan of rasz and not being able to see under the wings

And dying to a swirlie

Fyrakk hiding fire balls

[clever sapphire]

i also enjoy poison bomb in keys where shits hidden under the poison

and i die

and wonder how shit i can be

[limber lion]

Wtf

How does that happen

Poison Bomb procs in front of you

On the mob that you're hitting

Not on top of you

Why are you in front of the mob

You should be behind everything all the time anyways

You should never be on top of PB

[stable jay]

PB?

[limber lion]

Poison Bomb

[stable jay]

oh

[clever sapphire]

ruby ring those flame spinning guys

sometimes the fire is hidden under poison bomb

[gusty mirage]

You jump around for extra dps, everyone knows this, it’s like racing stripes on a car giving extra horsepower

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, similar to Demon Hunters spamming adadadadadadad

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

there is no visibility problem in wow

[royal lantern]

wdym??

[balmy condor]

Call me fyrakk and you fire cause I’m hiding in your balls or I’m hiding your balls from you, or I’m hiding you from my balls or maybe I’m hiding everyone from our collective balls

[gusty mirage]

Visual clarity is the best in wow, might even be better than path of exile’s

[gusty mirage]

[slate crown]

Ur clearly safe I can’t see any swirlies here

[royal lantern]

use GTFO

you hear when you got hit by something

[balmy condor]

Why are you standing there? Didn’t you hear that they increased melee attack range

[spice surge]

But is he safe from the swifties?

[rotund oak]

its good for arena,sometimes u get stuck to random stuff and ur camera wont zoom out

[lofty nymph]

Those stats fine for assa?

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[limber lion]

This command is too kind

If I made it, it would be very, very different.

[balmy condor]

Also I love when people use that, they get hit by something, the air horn goes off and they go “oh fuck I gotta move” and then run directly into another one instead of standing still cause the mechanic doesn’t hit the same spot twice to begin with

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

Moroes is a homie

[stable jay]

is there a way to get rid of these guys? they kinda take up a decent bit of space

[ripe carbon]

how do stats work with assassination?

is guide relevant with current patch

[balmy condor]

Most action bar addons will have an option to remove art

[balmy condor]

Idk if the base game has that yet

[royal lantern]

it has

[spice surge]

Yes

[stable jay]

any simple ones you can recommend?

[royal lantern]

somewhere in edit mode

you can turn them off

[limber lion]

Yeah base game has it

[balmy condor]

Oh nice

[slate crown]

In edit mode there should be a setting if you click the action bar

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/future-squidward-spongebob-gif-4767609

BLIZZARD

HAS THE TECHNOLOGY

THAT BARTENDER ADDED A DECADE AGO

[stable jay]

found it

tyty

[grim jay]

If you still want one, get bartender

[stable jay]

okaye ty

[true condor]

have a nice day brothers

[slate crown]

I just use edit mode since it came out. Trying to use the features blizzard gives me

[true condor]

i made 2 99 today

looks beautiful

[gusty mirage]

blizzard needs to add a function to disable action bar paging, they can hide it deep in the settings if they must

I don't wanna use elvui anymore

[pure moth]

Yeah last night was great

[gusty mirage]

GAMER

[pure moth]

I ate my Wheaties.

[grim jay]

Why? I kinda like it, tho I use plater and bartender with it

[gusty mirage]

because it ruins performance

wow mid boss fight w/o elv I have constant max frames, with elv it halves

plus the stereotypical "new patch" bullshit with it

where shit just breaks

for no reason

[grim jay]

Idk might be a setup thing

[gusty mirage]

nah elv is notoriously bad for performance

to a point where they address it on their github lol

[grim jay]

Yeah but I mean hardware

[gusty mirage]

and have an "optimization" guide

[grim jay]

Like out hardwareing it

[gusty mirage]

you mean my 7950x, 32gb of ddr5 ram, 3070 gtx, and my nvme 2.0 ssd aren't enough to run wow at max fps?

[grim jay]

I mean

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

Maybe you bought a fake gpu

[gusty mirage]

true

[grim jay]

Because there is no 3070gtx

Nerd

[gusty mirage]

rtx

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

fuck you

you know what I meant

like it performs fine-ish

it's just wild how much of an impact elv has

tbh it's probably mostly WAs

I think elv by itself would be perfectly fine, elv + WAs needs a NASA super computer to run at max fps

[grim jay]

Idk I currently use a 11600k, rtx3080 oc, 32gb ddr4 and a samsung 990 pro
I barely notice anything unless we 30 man some shit

1440p

[hardy dagger]

Suf and minimal weakauaras

[balmy condor]

Uninstalling elv gave me 15 fps

Very good addon

[grim jay]

15 with 340 total

Or 15 with like 60

[balmy condor]

15 with 85-90

Now I’m above 100

[brave stump]

happy birthday

[vestal wren]

congratulations, plater next

[balmy condor]

I tried that actually wasn’t as bad

It’s like 5-8 depending on what’s happening in a dungeon

[vestal wren]

weakauras can be quite bad too

[balmy condor]

Elv was terrible

[grim jay]

I have 300+ open world and 140ish in raids. Dont think elvui will do much there

[balmy condor]

WA’s can be bad too

[gusty mirage]

it's funny when I have friends that have elv installed with like 68 weakauras

and go "WHY MY FPS SUCK"

and I'm like idk man why do you have more info on your screen than the CIA processes in an hour

[vestal wren]

i made a list of efficient addons, can post later

[brave stump]

[slate crown]

At least with WAs you can pinpoint the bad aura(s) and excise it

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[brave stump]

We love fuu lists in here

[gusty mirage]

whereas all of Elv is a bloated piece of shit

you know it's bad when they have a guide on how to optimize it to not absolutely ass blast your cpu/ram

like why aren't those the default settings?

[grim jay]

I dont really see myself setting up my UI again tbh

Thats like so annoying

[gusty mirage]

same

I just download the new version of atrocity and go next

I cba resetting everything up just right

[pure moth]

^

[gusty mirage]

esp cause all the WAs from atrocity are anchored to the elv unit frames

[vestal wren]

bfa was wild with weakauras, i remember the raid packages that crashed half the raid teams game

[grim jay]

I dont use atrocity

Had it once and it just wasnt for me

[gusty mirage]

I remember loading up one weakaura

and it took like 8 minutes to import it from wago

lmfao

[brave stump]

🤝 russian fyrakk enjoyer

[finite gazelle]

how much haste is it recoomended for assa?

[earnest remnant]

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[tall jay]

yes please 😄

[potent raven]

jeans

[stable jay]

should I be using kingsbane and deathmark in tandem always? or is it more optimal to use them separately or something

[balmy condor]

They line up

Every deathmark has a kingsbane, every other kingsbane is between death marks

[stable jay]

so deathmark > kings bane, kingsbane, deathmark > kingsbane. repeat ?

and always use them together when possible

[balmy condor]

Yep

[stable jay]

ty

[spiral pasture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

i used eranog ring for 3 weeks now and just noticed that i forgot to put the helm enchant on my new head piece for 2 weeks

https://tenor.com/view/haz-cat-smart-cheeseburger-stupid-gif-21323244

[potent raven]

🤔

happens

[vestal wren]

If performance is important:
Shadowed Unit Frames -> Unit frames
Grid 2 / RaidFrameSettings -> Raid Frames
NameplateKai -> Namepaltes
Quartz -> Cast bar
Dominos -> Action bar
Weakauras -> Dissable smooth bar progression
Details -> hide in combat
@brave stump

[clever sapphire]

atleast you remembered to put on the ring

[maiden stump]

Friends, I have been well out of the loop. It looks like I could easily upgrade old mate lariat but...all the information sources I find tell me ouro or tuskar is better? Surely only at max levels...? Help. Does Lariat no longer function?

[vestal wren]

lariat is still okay

but it was nerfed back at the end of season 1

other embellishments are simply more efficient

[maiden stump]

oh i see the problem

they unnecessarily take up an embellishment slot

[vestal wren]

e.g. currently using silken lining on 2 armor slots is a strong choice

[maiden stump]

i have a shadowflame

maybe ill ditch lariat and get a silky

[vestal wren]

we typically use slots with lower stat budget like bracers, belt, back, rings or shooes

you can recraft shadowflame to silken, it wouldn't need an extra spark

[maiden stump]

hmmm and for outlaw id probably avoid silken though i suppose

[obsidian walrus]

what build are people favoring for keys around 10-12

I see one in the spreadsheet that looks different then what I see on the WowHead guides

[junior aurora]

different people made those builds is why

arterial shock is prob best for 10-12, but cleave is still fine

[obsidian walrus]

ok so ill play aroind with those and see what feel sbest fo rme

thanks

[clever cloak]

hey! What is maximum haste level recommended for raid single target?

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[potent raven]

iim so bored

of depleting keys

[rotund oak]

there is always cata

or remix

[floral shoal]

So Voice of the Silent Star can only be catalysed when dropped by the boss, not bought with bullion right?

[spice surge]

Dont think either way works

It didnt back in season 2, so it shouldnt work now

But

[ebon steppe]

Right

It's just weird

Don't know why blz made it that way

[spice surge]

People say it works but ive never seen anybody link a character that has it equiped, it was in the same in season 2 so im skeptical

[gusty mirage]

I'll catalyze mine on my pally for science

[rotund oak]

must be a very pivotal part of the bis profile

😅

ive got a crit/mast myth track back from vault and im very happy with it

[rotund oak]

ehhhh bro

does corrupting rage proc the ouroboreal necklet shield?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[potent raven]

do u tihnk its worth

taking ct in a 15 nelth

since its heavy aoe

[distant plinth]

Reroll SP and solo carry keys then

[high jetty]

Nelths is shock build 100%

There’s muliple high hp mobs in every pull

[barren yarrow]

With multiple builds how do you know which one to use in what dungeon? @distant plinth

[junior aurora]

someone linked one in here last night

[potent raven]

trial and errrorrrrr

[junior aurora]

sap i think

[full dune]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rotund oak]

until now i think i can confirm this.Arterial shock is bis for nelth

[potent raven]

np bricked the 15

priest pulled some mob

the sun was shining right into my monitor

cuz i forgot to close my courtains

and i couldnt see

i was just pressing whatever

[high jetty]

yeah even on tyran weeks I think you play it.

[barren yarrow]

that’s fun

[junior aurora]

@spice surge

[potent raven]

bricked few 15s with title players

wut did i say

[inland moon]

im sad, got to 70 in remix and regretted cuz of scalling, cant do content lol

[rotund oak]

upgrade ur gear from the NPC,there is no way u cant do content

[inland moon]

i mean, i can do world content and dungeons (i get one shotted by some mechanics and heroic scenarios destroy me), lfr smacks me alot also. and i am upgrading gear, specially changing with new blues dropping

[rotund oak]

blues arent rly that crazy,agility is always a plus to have though

[hearty shard]

quick question do we use crimson tempest in single target?

[rotund oak]

make sure u grab the right stats

and que normies until ur back is big enough for heroic

[runic hinge]

No. Never

[inland moon]

ye, stacking vers help alot or not that lot?

[normal mist]

Nah

[rotund oak]

visit the guide on wowhead,pretty sure it has everything u need

[hearty shard]

ok ty ❤️

[inland moon]

i ment just for reducing damage taken eh, but k

[sharp viper]

what is the string to sim different OCE stats?

[junior aurora]

is all ur gear 346 yet

that helps

[inland moon]

ye i guess the cloack is lacking some stats. also wasnt aware of acchievs for trinkets rings and neck so yeah

[rotund oak]

Assassination in lvl up pretty sure plays with leeching poison,u press feint for aoe dmg or in general if specced into elusiveness