assassination

[cursive owl]

i trapped myself

[potent raven]

when i played sub on that itd pull the same numbers

[cursive owl]

yeye

alright

i just feel useless in m+ i wanna pump more Numbers qwq

[potent raven]

l2p then lol

[boreal cloud]

The highest measured AoE is 10 morbillion shapers per second I think

Not too sure tho

You need aurabot, cursebot, Augvoker and PI for that tho

[safe olive]

Hello, Just a quick question, Even whilst using DS, Do we still finish at 4+ or is it best to follow the Max -1 rule?

[royal lantern]

the envenom before kingsbane is 5+

[spice surge]

4+

[royal lantern]

all other finishers are 4+

[safe olive]

Perfect, Thank you!

[cursive owl]

oh LUL

lesson lerned

i always do 6cp xD

[hoary night]

It is hard to get exactly 6

[clever sapphire]

thats a lie, i always mutilate till 4-5 cp and than use throw knife to fill up the last points

[cursive frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tall jay]

hello friends...so...i have Grief, Ashes, and Boon and Brand all 6/6 Hero...what would be the best 2 for M+ lol Boon and...Brand?

[junior aurora]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

ashes and grief

or ashes and boon

but ashes is a must

[tall jay]

ok

[rotund oak]

ashes+torch everywhere

[subtle tundra]

nah what the fuck is paladin

im 501

no head enchant, no legendary, no embellishments, random stats on gear, missing bis trinket, 17 ilvl lower

[tall atlas]

did you boys know about this?!

[rotund oak]

yeah what about it

[tall atlas]

its a free stat buff and you can have all of them?

[rotund oak]

yeah if u are an enchanter,im doing it on my mage but its not rly crazy

always cool to have ofc

[tall atlas]

ye its free stats

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tall atlas]

before and after

[slate crown]

Does it stay active if you enter a dungeon or raid?

I thought it was one of those “outdoors only” things

Iirc the more interesting part is the crafting skill each gives which may push you into HSV range for the element you shatter. I remember looking into it a while ago but I don’t remember exactly

[autumn frost]

At full sockets would the elemental lariat compete with bsl?

[real osprey]

What do you use to remove the storm eater immobilize effect?

[autumn frost]

Shadowstep

you don't remove it

and you time it well

and cloak to avoid mechanics if stuck

[tall atlas]

i think youre right

lemme check

[clever sapphire]

i usually equip grieftorch

that way i dont get rooted

[potent raven]

,am wt

are these scammers crafters

5k for a gem

there are like 3 craftes on my servers all asking 5k+ for a gem

u either pay or u get nothing

surreal

[junior aurora]

throw it up public someone will make it

[potent raven]

i bought the nokhud neck from some guy for 15k too

cuz i cba runnin that dungeon

15k is nothing was his bis

chilling now tho

less vers but gonna run vers neck for dung tho

[lime edge]

What's wrong with 5k 💀

[potent raven]

seems a bit expensive for a gem

i was paying 5k for leather crafts last szn

[lime edge]

I usually tip like 5k because they do it for free

Lool

[potent raven]

ye maybe ur rich

im like a hobo

[lime edge]

5k is like 40 cents, u got this

[potent raven]

ye i buy gold every other week

[lime edge]

[potent raven]

can u spam consume it?

[lime edge]

When does ptr get patch usually

Is it on reset

[tall atlas]

ye but doesnt work in raid sadly

[potent raven]

dungeons ?

[junior aurora]

man what are u spending on

token gives like 200k gold iirc and that lasts an entire expansion

[potent raven]

wat

[junior aurora]

you said you buy gold every other week

[potent raven]

yea i do a lot of m+

i.e 100 agi pots just costed me 9k

consumables and stuff idk

[thorn fjord]

[slate crown]

It is because you cannot 100% a gem at rank 3

so you have to use an insight which is very limited

[thorn fjord]

Capitalist greed has made its way into the game

[potent raven]

i see

[thorn fjord]

Seize the means brother

[potent raven]

had like 10 orders placed

[slate crown]

Wait are they charging 5k without guaranteeing it?

[potent raven]

um

yeah the guy didnt even say proc chance

[slate crown]

Cause I'm a JC, I've been maxed for almost a year

[potent raven]

some other guy said 8k for a 40% proc

[slate crown]

and I craft all the time

[potent raven]

my mats free recraft

[thorn fjord]

What server lmao

[potent raven]

ravencrest

[slate crown]

I never charge for gem crafts if it's a proc

[thorn fjord]

Sounds toxic

[slate crown]

I just take whatever tip

[potent raven]

its a pretty big server too

[slate crown]

but I do charge 5k for insight use

Because you only get 3-4 of them per week

[potent raven]

but yeah there are no options

[thorn fjord]

Damn I pay my guildies 2k with mats

[slate crown]

That's aweful

Also

Btw

If they say 40% chance, find a draenei

Draenei maxed have 72% chance

[potent raven]

yes i have a friend he crafts me stuf all the time was just off lol

i see

well, next time, hopefully no more need for crafting soon

[runic hinge]

I pay my guildies 1111 gold for any craft

[potent raven]

i dont pay anything

well, i actually did

paid my crafted like 20k last time for all the crafts hes done for me..

[junior aurora]

i send my guildie that does all my tailoring/enchanting 1gold

[slate crown]

I basically only charge for lariat crafts and insight uses, everything else I just accept tips

[potent raven]

thats pretty cool

[slate crown]

for out of guild ofc, in guild everyone is free

[potent raven]

u could be millionairemaxxing

scamming noobs but you stay humble

[junior aurora]

you get a lot of tips

[thorn fjord]

Yeah they don’t ask for gold if I provide materials but I look out for the homies

[slate crown]

I just say tips only

and some people still give liek 10k

[potent raven]

thats probably way better long term heh

[runic hinge]

I have engi so I don’t craft shit for anyone

[potent raven]

i feel obliged to tip somebody a lot when they say tip whatever you want

[junior aurora]

guy who got the lariat recipe on wyrmrest only@took tips and crafted neck for free, he made goldcap easily off tips

[potent raven]

because it rings nice person

[slate crown]

Maybe cross realm someday, if you were on sargeras I'd say hmu

[potent raven]

im eu, cross region some day? 🥺

[slate crown]

D:

[potent raven]

its sad u cant transfer ur account from eu to na

regret making eu sometimes

[slate crown]

I'm considering just switching it all, thing is I always recraft with my mats, I just say give me r4 required and It'll come back r5, I'll just recraft, cause I have mountains of all the mats in my bags

At this point lariat recipe has alrady paid itself multiple times over

[potent raven]

i should become a crafter, seems ez money

[slate crown]

But lariat costs a bit more than tings/neck

[potent raven]

boosting raid/m+ is a lot of effort for little reward sometimes

buying gold is meh

[slate crown]

and if someone gives me 300g for a craft, I can easily spend 500g boosting it to max

not to mention the mettle it would cost me

[potent raven]

😭

[spice spire]

Man hit the uwu

I’d have auto declined

[potent raven]

wow rude

im trying to seem cute n all that

[spice spire]

I’m a hater

[potent raven]

they said give it to rogue

easy

[subtle tundra]

you seem ignorable with dat uwu

[potent raven]

lowkey

rouge

[quiet oar]

I mean everyone

is a hater when you see the uwu dropped

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

its the power move

ultimate sing that you dont give a fuck

[potent raven]

idk i just be typing w/e

[spice spire]

Blud yapping

Now that I respect

[royal lantern]

the #assassination brainrot now starts to affect me in other discord servers aswell

fuck

[potent raven]

yes homeboy

[proven jasper]

[potent raven]

LOL

[proven jasper]

HAHA

[slate crown]

It's ok, ur a pro at it I respect that

How do we do Sark? I don't think I ever did the fight after the rework tbh

Does KB/Spatter naturally line up with adds ok?

[potent raven]

ive only played sub on that boss 😭

[royal lantern]

in theory yes

in reality your paladin presses divine storm once and they are all dead

[slate crown]

Ahh

So we just ST max

[royal lantern]

same problem we had in 10.1 tbh 😄

adds just die to fast for bigger dmg on them overall

[proven jasper]

i legit ran internal bleeding with our group the whole time until we magically had issues with adds not dying then i swapped

[royal lantern]

eh, i think if you want overall dps, spatter is probs still better

[proven jasper]

Yeah for sure

even if you can only get some spatter uptime its def better

[slate crown]

Yeah spatter doesn't cost anything, Dashing -> IC worth it at all?

[proven jasper]

meh i wouldnt run ic

[slate crown]

Nah couldn't be

yeah

[royal lantern]

nah, no way IC lol

[proven jasper]

Prob full st with spatter and you could MAYBE make an argument for ct

But i just wouldnt

Depends on ur groups damage really

For sure

[slate crown]

Well I may have more add damage opportunity because I'm only going to be doing heroic pugs

cause i'm a scrub

[proven jasper]

Yolo

Pad the shit out of it

[slate crown]

but it's w/e

[spice spire]

Ty homie

[proven jasper]

U and me both then

im just lazy

[dark token]

no way you every run CT in raids unless its a council boss

with current implementation

[slate crown]

If I cloak the ground shit debuff on first boss of hoi

does it drop the ground shit where I was or does it just not drop it at all?

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent raven]

i have an issue

its hard to see the frontals in halls on the ground

i remember using quaziis plater itd always shout if there was a frontal or something

is there a wa similar to that rn?

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[potent raven]

oh he has a s4 plater

jundies is kinda nice tho

[lime edge]

Are u talking about the frontals at the start

[potent raven]

p much theyre invisible on the ground

[lime edge]

Yea

[potent raven]

maybe its sth with my graphics settings

[lime edge]

Lul

[potent raven]

or the pattern of the dungeon+frontal

[lime edge]

I barely see them too dw

[potent raven]

like if there are big pulls its impossible to see it

tahts why quaziis plater might be clutch

[barren yarrow]

How can I get the kingsbane icons?

[potent raven]

it shouts if theres a frontal

idk

[barren yarrow]

Can’t find the post to react to

[potent raven]

@lime edge https://youtu.be/sCpgEV9TfmE?t=59

timestamp

voice announcer saying front

handy

is there a way to steal all those medias and import them in my current plater

u can

https://youtu.be/sCpgEV9TfmE?t=534

[barren yarrow]

That’s useful

[potent raven]

very

[potent raven]

scroll up in #welcome

[barren yarrow]

I use AUI and I think it does the same thing like saying “back!”

Yeah I found it in the pubs

Pins lll

LOL

ooh

[potent raven]

im not paying attention to

plater cd cast

they're ok but

i think what i sent is good as well

well nvm

zacs was are good on dungeons

[barren yarrow]

Ah yeah quazi is good he takes alot of time to make his profiles

[lime edge]

Oh cool

[potent raven]

yes

[potent raven]

import the sounds into ur plater

just separately

from the plater itself

[waxen oyster]

the correct thing to do with frontals is to be the tank

then taunt frontals at your ranged

and get a free torch reset

[potent raven]

tanks can sometimes be a little stupid and

move the frontal into u

[somber sparrow]

weird question, if you get hit with more than one power infusion per 2 minutes, does it invalidate the warcaftlog.

[waxen oyster]

yeah most tank players are uhhh….

[waxen oyster]

yes

[potent raven]

so i think having an announcer shouting

FRONT FRONT FRONT

will be helpful

to at least know when its coming

so u can pay attn to it visually

[somber sparrow]

ok, that's what i was assuming. all my other logs were counted normally, but this one fight i guess maybe one of the priests lost their target and decided to use it on me. that makes sense now.

[potent raven]

testing out now

also using targeted spells wa

[slate crown]

Targetted spells WA is great

[potent raven]

yea i think that sit

there was a big pack for df s3 but

not updated atm

miss it

https://wago.io/dfdungeons

this one was awesome

wait its updated for s4 lets go

[wide ferry]

Im convinced the rogue tier shoulders from mythic sargeras dont exist

ive ran this b so many times

[slate crown]

you know what really doesn't exist?

where deathstalker

[wide ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-amazed-amazing-shook-gif-16076916

this mfer right

[hidden dirge]

holy shit, just watched the skill capped video on mythic+ tier list

sin rogue dooming xD

[slate crown]

I am contented to say that a skill capped m+ vid is irrelevant to the capabilities of our spec

No dooming here, fucks hard

[spice spire]

Dog?

[rotund oak]

Lord @balmy condor sir

Rogue
Deathstalker (Assassination/Subtlety) Hero Talents are now available for testing.
The harbingers of death, Deathstalkers strike from the shadows to bring a swift end to their targets.

[woeful meteor]

7 cp sin

[rotund oak]

[slate crown]

wee woo wee woo alert alert

[spice spire]

I’m woke

I’m ready for the onslaught

[slate crown]

Is it updated on any wowhead stuff yet?

[spice spire]

I’ll slow mode ur asses in tww

Not yet

[thorn fjord]

slowmode my mental decline plz

[potent raven]

saying

[rotund oak]

Assassination
Venom Rush removed.
New Talent: Sanguine Stratagem – Gain 1 additional max combo point. Your finishing moves that consume 5 or more combo points have increased effects, and your finishing moves deal 5% increased damage.

[potent raven]

what

[wide ferry]

I mean....it sounds good?

like really good?

[grim jay]

it sounds whatever, like really whatever

without knowing any other changes that might or might not happen

[rotund oak]

i need to hop in asap on Alpha beta or gamma

or whatever the letter

get me in already

[south tendon]

What do you guys do on azurblade in AV. Dot the Boss ignore KB and kill add, Ignore add, spread both and cry?

[junior aurora]

it dropped right as i needed to leave the house ofc

[potent raven]

hit boss and pray somebody else hits the add

genuinely

[grim jay]

and blame the tank if he doesnt move towards the add

[runic hinge]

[glossy lagoon]

i need help with the timing of rupture and envom

i always drop one or the other in the opener

how much seconds should i refresh the rupture? (before it end)

[fallen arch]

^

Let range deal with it

[rotund oak]

are u aware of the pandemic refresh mechanic?

[fallen arch]

You help no one with wasting a kingsbane window imo

[glossy lagoon]

is it 7 seconds

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[glossy lagoon]

@balmy condor the biggest problem i have is envom fall off too fast to get rupture in (i mean you can but it get close)

is that part of playing it is building for rupture right after you envom

[balmy condor]

You should only rupture once in the opener, right at the start

Idk where you’re trying to fit a rupture

[glossy lagoon]

im saying after the opener

[rotund oak]

u can safely refresh it at 5sec bro

[balmy condor]

Yeah you just refresh it

[glossy lagoon]

but i also try to keep envom uptime

[balmy condor]

Yeah

And if you can’t, who cares

[rotund oak]

yeah its cool but rupture has prio over that

[glossy lagoon]

Ohh ok ok

im focus on making it perfect

and not letting eitehr one fall

ok i get it

[balmy condor]

By design that is impossible

[glossy lagoon]

^

[rotund oak]

u should revisit the guides once again since u are here

[glossy lagoon]

and that why it is hard

thanks guys!

[rotund oak]

yw fam

[south tendon]

Im going on asking stupid questions: When you habe to much dps for a instance: Is it better you do half KB on mobs dying to quick or wait for a good opportunity

[balmy condor]

should try to never miss casts

[rotund oak]

full send,dont think

on cd

even if it doesnt do more than 2sec

[bleak sun]

Hum sanguine stratagem looks like feral one no?

[rotund oak]

its dmg u would normally miss

[balmy condor]

yeah it looks really familiar to something, I just can't seem to figure out what....

[thorn fjord]

Finality?

[gilded oasis]

@balmy condor hi how are you

[balmy condor]

waiting for talents to get hooked into the tree

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/hook-peter-pan-robin-williams-captain-hook-gif-6038094

[steel ridge]

🍿

[white bone]

Deathstalker datamined 🙂

And hi everyone

[rain oyster]

Wrong channel 🙂

[glacial relic]

I usually delay 3-4 sec to get the add spawned step kick it and then start the KB on the boss, then blind 2nd one, after that rupture it for energy and focus boss

[wide ferry]

Anyone look at deathstalker talents? Thoughts? Suicidal?

[pseudo hamlet]

#tww-assassination

[lament adder]

Is there any way to see what secondary stat %'s the !fuu profiles have?

[cursive owl]

guys

how do i play the Cleave build ?

[spice surge]

Yes, but it doesnt matter

Just sim your character

Theres no magical percentages to aim for

[safe wigeon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

You do use the usual stuff but you try your best to brrrrr envenoms into splatter

And you have 1 less dot to care about

Honestly it's just like raid build but you use splatter xD

[cursive owl]

hmhm O_O

okay

[cursive owl]

thats the build i saw in the gigachad video :3

[balmy condor]

are you doing keys above a 14

[lament adder]

I did not mean to imply that I aimed to achieve the stats that these profiles have, I am simply a curious mind and interested in how specific types of info can be available to me for observation. 🙂 How can I see those stats?

[raw dock]

Hey guys, any boss in Aberrus that Sub rogue is better than Assassin?

[waxen oyster]

They're both good

[forest nacelle]

hmmmm no iron wire.

[onyx gulch]

Is homeland raid horn COMPLETE garbage?

did a single 8 on my rogue, and thats in my vault

[waxen oyster]

How good are you at dodging the swirls

[junior aurora]

sounds like sockets for you

[waxen oyster]

because you lose damage if it hits you

[forest nacelle]

wut

[junior aurora]

bc you can just buy the 2 bis trinkets

[waxen oyster]

homeland raid horn can hit yourself

instead of the mob

[cursive owl]

im not doing +14 OwO

[forest nacelle]

we are clearly thinking of 2 diff trinkets, i got it on my DH and i don't take any dmg.

i just stand there

and it drops them at my feet

[waxen oyster]

Did they change it since s1?

[forest nacelle]

yes

[onyx gulch]

How is the damage?

[forest nacelle]

compared to other trinkets? meh.

if all hits hit its okish on AoE, but ST bad

[balmy condor]

then don't play that build

[onyx gulch]

how many bullion items can we get now?

[quiet oar]

3

[forest nacelle]

wait i play that build on 8's.... am i just a masochist then?

[quiet oar]

You get your seventh this week

[junior aurora]

2 if u missed the quest

[quiet oar]

Well Yeah

[cursive owl]

but D: ? why

[balmy condor]

cause it's entirely kingsbane damage

and your shit won't live long enough lmao

[potent raven]

loving this kingsbane dps track LOL

[forest nacelle]

yeah.... im a masochist

i knew it

[cursive owl]

i see

OK OwO i will still try it

[iron vigil]

Is sin on par with sub now?

[waxen oyster]

If you get PI

[silk bane]

last week on terros highest sin parse without IP was 30k higher than highest sub

so probably better even without pi

but also subs bugged

idk

yeah 49k akari

kekw

[iron vigil]

Is the irideus fragment actually good for sin now?

[balmy condor]

not really

it's a 3 min cd

doesn't line up

[iron vigil]

So ashes and grieftorch is the way to go

[balmy condor]

yep

[iron vigil]

Ty

[cursive owl]

so

for me the cleave build was easier to execute than the finger breaking hybrid or aterial shock xD

[balmy condor]

?????

they don't play any differently

[junior aurora]

yeah the rotation stays the exact same lol

[cursive owl]

nah

im breaking my fingers with crimson tempest stuff etc

[balmy condor]

?

[junior aurora]

just change the keybind?

[balmy condor]

wtf is etc

it's literally just crimson tempest

[cursive owl]

ecetera

or something like thix

[balmy condor]

I know what it means

I'm asking what else there is

[cursive owl]

i dunno

i feel like i need to press 5 more abilitys

its driving me nutz somehow

[runic hinge]

We don’t even have 5 more abilities

[balmy condor]

its exactly 1 more

[cursive owl]

X-X i said " I FEEL LIKE "

[balmy condor]

idc what it feels like

[cursive owl]

xDDD

[junior aurora]

dps is a feelin

[runic hinge]

Check this rotation

[strange python]

ayo?

[junior aurora]

ill rotate for u gyroscopically

[spice surge]

Hooked on a feeling

[junior aurora]

and then laparoscopically

[runic hinge]

[smoky moth]

if you had to pick some races to minmax for raid what would you all pick? i know the difference is so slight it's just better to go based off of looks but i'm jw

[balmy condor]

right now it's troll or human

who knows what it'll be in 11.0

[nova kelp]

dorf for 2nd cloak luls

god I hate that racial, I wish we just got to pick one or some shit lol

[runic hinge]

Nelf cause they do flips

[royal lantern]

Vulpera cause they do flips

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/furry-meme-missile-furry-alert-gif-24658735

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

but they do flips

[runic hinge]

Nelf for meld. Atomic recalibrate into vulpera for flips and their /sleep animation

[nova kelp]

undead for s tier mog options

[royal lantern]

sleep Animation is MAD underrated

[glossy lagoon]

when do you send grief torch

[balmy condor]

whenever as long as it doesn't hurt your ashes

[glossy lagoon]

outlaw player we get ashes next week kek

[balmy condor]

whenever as long as it doesn't hurt your stat-on-use trinket that you're using

[glossy lagoon]

also whispyr let say a boss fight where you cant keep 100% boss uptime. do you just do the maintaince phase where you try to get up all your buff and then vibe again

basically slice rupture and garrot and then just same thing

[balmy condor]

yes

[glossy lagoon]

what would that combo look like more specifically, garrote than 5+ ruptuire than slice ?

[balmy condor]

slice first

[glossy lagoon]

oh ok

[gleaming geyser]

Man, I can't get broodkeeper's ring to sim higher than my high crit 515 ring lmao. I've tried so many different itterations

[cursive owl]

good night everyone :3

turned out a brackenhide 7 i done 280k overall, 112 deaths and playtime 1 hour 42 minutes x)

[normal mist]

112 deaths?!

[lime edge]

yo fortified is kinda cringe

i mean

tyrannical

holyy

all the mobs die too fast

[paper blaze]

question, do we go the same talents in m+ for fort and tyra week?

or we switch up in tyra week for arterialshock build

[boreal cloud]

Shock if you want to pad I guess

Can also just go KB build but with CT

Thats a decent middle ground

[oblique jackal]

Is this a good breakdown In damage for a +8 AA

[dark token]

CT should be much higher

And sudden demise

This was my breakdown in a 12 AA

[spice spire]

Depends on pulls too eh

[dark token]

I mean everyone has same route really

[spice spire]

You’d be amazed by pugs big dog

[paper blaze]

w8 so what we spam CT on aoe couse for the time being ive been just using CT at start of a big pack and then refreshing when is about to fall after that just evenom with the Caustic spatter

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

never ever spam ct

[stable jay]

what should I spend my antique bronze bullions on? I already have ashes of embersoul

[balmy condor]

maintain it at 4 or more targets

[balmy condor]

pins

[dark token]

Also gotta love avg grieftorch cast being 3m I'm bug abusing it hard. It's quite fun to minmax

[paper blaze]

XD idk why ive never like to play with 2 on use im just using ashes and nelth trinket rn

[dark token]

Sprinting while using it feels epic

[stable jay]

ty

so take Diurna's and Grieftorch?

[balmy condor]

I'd personally take the grief first

but yeh

[stable jay]

yeah thats what I was thinking bc diurnas cant proc without it

[balmy condor]

it can

the helm enchants

[stable jay]

I dont have those, and not really sure how to get them lol

[balmy condor]

clear amirdrassil

[stable jay]

this? and how hard/worth it is it to clear for this enchant comapred to just proc'ing it off Grieftorch?

[balmy condor]

well it'll proc off of both

so

[drifting cloud]

enchant is bis regardless

[balmy condor]

yeah

the enchant is free damage

and it's free on top of grieftorch for the ring

free x2

[stable jay]

it stacks?

or just esier to proc

[balmy condor]

neither one can full saturate the proc rate on the ring

[stable jay]

mmm okay

[stable jay]

no better enchants for helm?

[balmy condor]

no enchants for helm

at all

[stable jay]

thats the only one?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stable jay]

damn lol

[grand trail]

Last time I simmed, eranog ring was behind crafted one and broodkeeper ring so I don't think it's that important

[drifting cloud]

yeah think you need brand ... but fights probably still too short

[onyx gulch]

Do you guys think grief tour would be the best first trinket to buy with someone who is new to rogue? Seems like it would be the better option than on use static that won’t be utilized that well for now

Grief torch

[drifting cloud]

if you mean for assa only ashes would be better

[onyx gulch]

The problem is is it won’t be utilized very well since I don’t know what I’m doing. First grief torches just raw damage that can be used on cool down/big pack.

[grand trail]

So many people baited into buying eranog ring first week

[drifting cloud]

you kinda just have to learn your cd window sequence, trinket you can just bind and forget

[balmy condor]

name one person that bought eranog ring first week

there is no guide on the planet that recommended that

[drifting cloud]

somebody in outlaw for sure

[balmy condor]

they'd be dumb as fuck for taht

[grand trail]

It's good outlaw ring tho

And they play shadowflame

[balmy condor]

it's a good ring in general

but that wasn't the question was it

[grand trail]

Yeah but it's not best buy even as 3rd item

For other than outlaw

[balmy condor]

it definitely can be

trinket, trinket, then what

weapon?

[grand trail]

Depends on your raid loot tho

[balmy condor]

what if you already have a weapon

if you have a weapon already it's gonna be the best buy as a 3rd item

[hexed willow]

warlord's volcanic vest is listed as bis in fuu's sheet but it sims worse than just normal mythic tier 😭

[grand trail]

Sark cloak beat it in sims by lot

[balmy condor]

that's cause bis is a joke

[hexed willow]

i know

sims is life

[balmy condor]

sark cloak also loses you a fuck ton of stam and people really don't like that

[hexed willow]

i just am never gonna see it again

[grand trail]

Broodkeeper ring beat it for me too and have defensive on top

[hexed willow]

sark cloak is also still broken and breaking stealth tho

[balmy condor]

broodkeeper ring can be okay

[grand trail]

It's just sadge we can't really proc it so it do some dmg

It's always like 0.5% or less for me, back than with cowl it was like 2% or more

[balmy condor]

sorry to hear that

[oblique jackal]

When should you use CT?

[hexed willow]

4+ targets

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

oh its 3+ could've sworn it was 4 at one point

[balmy condor]

4

it's 4

[hexed willow]

"Fan of Knives if you are in 3+ target aoe, until you have 4+ combo points"

[balmy condor]

uh huh

what's that gotta do with CT?

[hexed willow]

thats from the guide

oh

fuck

me

reading is hard im sorry

[drifting cloud]

hi sorry

[balmy condor]

it's okay

I will need to repeat "Ct on 4 or more"

another 800 times

reading is strong

but I am stronger

[hexed willow]

I did have the right answer!

[tall jay]

One more time for those in the back whispyr

[hexed willow]

so i did listen to you whispyre

[balmy condor]

you're right

but the amount of times we had the ct question after the buff

is actually insane

[tall jay]

But but what if there used to be 4 targets but on got scarred and ran back to his mom and then brought his dad back to beat up the healer?

😉

[balmy condor]

then you untalent iron wire

xdddddddddd

[tall jay]

Oh ya

[oblique jackal]

so do you CT aftet CDs?

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[tall jay]

I would say watch his YouTube series. Helped me a lot

[oblique jackal]

yeah i've watched/read it all

[tall jay]

Sorry, Whisyr shamelessly advertised

[oblique jackal]

ah yes I need to use CT more often haha

[balmy condor]

it's just a dot

you maintain

if 4 target, your first thought should be "man, I gotta CT"

[onyx gulch]

If you are not taking poison bomb, where are most of your combo points going during big packs? Still envenom due to set bonus?

[hexed willow]

but its not an energy generator bleed so make sure ~5 things are bleeding too

[oblique jackal]

Ezzy day!

thanks gang ❤️

[balmy condor]

yes still envenon, kinda due to set bonus, mostly due to caustic

poison bomb is the weakest out of all of those effects

[oblique jackal]

Tbh i wish they'd buff it back to 10.0

PB hit hard af

[balmy condor]

you mean 7.0

[hexed willow]

did sin ever have a flat profile?

[balmy condor]

most of its life

[hexed willow]

huh TIL. been rogue only for this expansion, always filling raid gaps

[balmy condor]

it's relied on tier set and borrowed power to have any burst up until the 10.2 rework

in legion kingsbane got added and cranked, we had legendaries to sync vendetta with kb and zoldyck

in BFA our profile was pretty flat until shrouded suffocation went crazy and we 3x'd that with exsang

[oblique jackal]

Yes sin Legion was fire

[balmy condor]

before that, exsang was pretty awful

[oblique jackal]

i remember BFA m+

[balmy condor]

then in shadowlands it was pretty flat until the sepulcher tier set

[tall jay]

Has rogue ever been “the” spec?

[oblique jackal]

insane

[hexed willow]

i wonder how next expansion is going to be

[tall jay]

It seems@we always fall behind everyone

[balmy condor]

sub and outlaw were meta in vault, sub and assa were upper mid in abberus, assa was the best spec in the game and not even contested during the start of amirdrassil

[tall jay]

I c I c

[balmy condor]

assa was huge during sepulcher but only for boss dam

sepulcher had a fair amount of pad

rogue in general was crazy during sanctum cause the sylv daggers

[drifting cloud]

sub and outlaw cheating with sylv dagger

[balmy condor]

yeah

in the last like 5 years, all the rogue specs have been in the upper third of specs more than they've been in the lower two thirds

[tall jay]

I wouldn’t t know about the dagger never saw it lol

[balmy condor]

it's just very easy to think your spec is shit

when people are so tunnel visioned onto whatever the fotm is

like rogue was pretty good in aberrus but the only thing people will remember probably is unholy dk

rogue was good in sepulcher, but the only thing people remember is survival+demo in m+

[runic hinge]

Also the way wowhead present their data doesn’t help

Presents the Warcraft logs data

[balmy condor]

logs in general don't help I'm gonna be real

wowheads reviews aren't great

but logs as a whole are kinda the root of the issue

[drifting cloud]

the wowhead data dumps are so funny

[runic hinge]

Showing a graph of top 5% mythic as if that’s where the balance is aimed at

[drifting cloud]

you have those 2-3 specs that were so dogshit on council

probably lost 5 placements because of that

and boomie gained same

[tall jay]

I mean mythic raider composition is what 20% of the player base?

[balmy condor]

lmao

[runic hinge]

Maybe 5

[balmy condor]

it's like 5 yeah

[tall jay]

They should show heroic then lol hahahahhaah

[drifting cloud]

heroic is even more pointless

its 2min zerg fights

3rd week of the raid

[tall jay]

Come on guys we can’t have our cake and eat our veggies as well

[balmy condor]

generally if you want to kinda guesstimate, heroic has 10x the players of mythic

I mean there's no really good way to do it

it's just too much data

[ebon steppe]

Its like biased sample

[balmy condor]

statisticians and data analysts are very happy to see that much data

but you can take literally any dumb fuck off the street

and they can bend the numbers until it looks like their point of view is correct

[tall jay]

I just like to do well on my class and make my numbers go brrrrrrerr

[balmy condor]

holy shit outlaw is the worst spec in the game

assassination in the dumps too

fucking hunters on top again

ret going crazy

how do they keep getting away with it

[hexed willow]

time to take a picture and say look proof of dooming

[balmy condor]

obv an extreme example

[hexed willow]

yeah but that narrative fits what i want it to so it must be true

[balmy condor]

but any idiot can just click around on archon or logs

until it makes sense

[hexed willow]

god fucking archon

[balmy condor]

trust me I ain't happy about it either

but my guides have to have it cause we're partnered

and that's a decision from like 4 pay grades above me

what can you do

[drifting cloud]

damn you cooked with that graph

insta knew where to look

[balmy condor]

ryler is rdps finally done for?

melee dps rise up?

[tall jay]

Ok then serious question then. What Barons/how do you know you are doing well then if we can’t trust logs?

Barometer

[drifting cloud]

I mean you can trust it on per boss basis assuming you realize some bosses have alot of "fake" dmg

just not so much on aggregate stuff

[balmy condor]

yeh

[tall jay]

Besides getting coaching from people wiser and more professional

[balmy condor]

you just gotta use your brain and think about it

like oh shit I parsed green on this boss

but it's gnarlroot and I didn't play caustic

[drifting cloud]

its nymue and I still had caustic and IC

[balmy condor]

oh shit I grey parsed tindral

but I didn't do root damage

I grey parsed smolderon, wonder why that might be

open lorrgs

"ah, people use cooldowns on the intermission where I do double damage, that's smart"

go do that, improve

sort by boss damage, open a log between rank 25 and rank 75

does your sequencing look similar

does your timing generally match

are they hitting the things you're hitting

[tall jay]

Of course 🙂 I know these hehe, I like opening conversations

Helping ppl see the wise ways

You looking alpha btw whispyr

Liking

[balmy condor]

these are my mythic tindral kills from last patch

I ain't ashamed of them

I died on a couple of them, kill time sucked, and we had a fuck ton of aoe in my raid

gg

we assess, go "yeah okay makes sense, but I still played it pretty decently"

[drifting cloud]

too much aoe on tindral, not enough on fyrakk? sus

[balmy condor]

and then move on cause it's a video game and I'm a grass toucher

[balmy condor]

roster changes smilers

[silk bane]

imagine touching grass lmao.

[tall jay]

Weren’t you playing sub on the prog kill?

[silk bane]

man i was gonna say something fucked up. btu i stopped myself. character arc

[balmy condor]

yes

[silk bane]

yallw itnessed it here

[balmy condor]

on tindral we had aff lock, arcane mage, double bm hunter, devoker, 2 ret paladins

then on fyrakk, one of the ret paladins went full single target

[tall jay]

Missed that and your fry guy kill you guys killed it like right aster I turned the steam off lol

[balmy condor]

the warlock went destro full single target

the bm hunters went single target

[scenic nacelle]

which is the boot from Fuus sheet that has haste/mastery? It's not the same catalyst boot correct?

[balmy condor]

arcane cds didn't line up with our adds

[balmy condor]

those are catalyst yeah

but it doesn't matter

they're just boots

equip any boots

[balmy condor]

oh and the dev went aug

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

the warlock swap alone lost us like 20% of our aoe

cause aff is dumb

but yeh

we had a fuck ton of aoe on tindral, and then everyone swapped off of it to skip second dreamrend and lock/evoker swapped specs

and then timings didn't make sense for the ones that remained

and it lined up great for me and the havoc dh

so no point changing everyone around

just have assa and havoc do the adds everyone play the same

[tall jay]

It was fun watching the prog, learned a lot for the heroic runs

[balmy condor]

[tall jay]

My guild did

[balmy condor]

11.0 we back

[tall jay]

You and JPC are like the only rogue streamers that I have followed for a long time

[true condor]

gm sin

i did a 15 last day, and i died for no reason, after check the log my tank said the dm burst bring u 10m dmg and over threat

[onyx gulch]

Is kingsbane considered a legal poison for the purpose of death mark?

Lethal

[balmy condor]

No

Kingsbane only duplicates weapon poisons

Classic tooltip wording

[onyx gulch]

Hmm, wonder why many guides say to death mark before kingsbane

[runic hinge]

Because dm would be a wasted global inside kb

You can fit all of your kb inside dm so you’re getting double poison applications

The whole kb

[onyx gulch]

So rupture and garrote can apply lethal poisons, but Kingsbane can’t?

Oh, never mind, I understand

It means you’re buffing it more from getting dual poison applications from auto attacks and what not

[runic hinge]

And mutilate

But yeah

Kingsbane is a poison but it isn’t duplicated by dm

But every application from deadly and amp juices kb

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oblique tangle]

Just saw the deathstalker talents. Why tf is Blizzard forcing us to open with Ambush 🤣

[balmy condor]

Wrong channel and we already do

[oblique tangle]

Haven't played since garrote was meta. No reason to be rude

[balmy condor]

What

[oblique tangle]

What

[balmy condor]

I’m not being rude

We have a channel for tww stuff, so I told you that this is the wrong channel for deathstalker, and then answered your question

My bad I guess

[true condor]

whispyr i try vers phial for m+, much safer but less dmg

i am feeling like quite struggling

[balmy condor]

Probably not the phial’s fault

Phial difference is like 2% no?

[true condor]

yea i just feeling weird that i cant fight against dragon dps

even in dm kb

[runic hinge]

Dragon kinda bursty

[autumn remnant]

Why do ppl find this rude. Like 2 days ago there was another guy that called us toxic

[oblique tangle]

Isn't this from your guide? Every single thing on here says you open with garrote.

[autumn remnant]

Wtf

[oblique tangle]

Why am I being gaslit

[drifting cloud]

lol.

[balmy condor]

Okay now I’m gonna be rude

Read the VERY next line

[true condor]

[balmy condor]

What’s that say

[autumn remnant]

[onyx gulch]

Still wasn’t rude. I think you need to up your antics

[oblique tangle]

Mutilate once to get combo points.

[true condor]

i dont dare to see whispyr lord angry, me running

[balmy condor]

Here I’ll circle it for you

What’s that word

[oblique tangle]

What's it say at 1. ?

[balmy condor]

Garrote

What’s it say at 2

[oblique tangle]

Thank u

[balmy condor]

Why are you acting like you got me with that

Lmao

I know what the guide says

[runic hinge]

Your stealth open is 3 seconds

[onyx gulch]

I could be mistaken, but it seems like there’s a simple communication there, I think one of you refers to opening sequence and one of you referring to the actual first ability use when you open

[balmy condor]

Who cares what the actual first ability is

[strange python]

we pumping

[balmy condor]

Makes no difference what the literal first gcd is

Ambush is in stealth

In the opener

End of story

In fact, it’s even easier than that

Because you can’t possibly cast that ambush

If it weren’t from stealth

[gilded oasis]

Check mate atheists

[runic hinge]

My blind side procs off garrote

I’m just build diffy

(Badly)

[gilded oasis]

I'll show you a blindside

[ashen topaz]

rawr angry whispyr

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t until the guy decided to be an ass about something he clearly didn’t understand

Ignorance is fine

Blind ego is not

[ashen topaz]

oh im with u on this one, it was just funny haha

[tall jay]

Damn go check on the baby and miss the fireworks…again…come on guys!!!! Just read @balmy condor ‘s guides… them the gospel:-) in him we trust lol

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tall jay]

In the book of Sin chapter 1 verse 2 you shall use ambush in opener therefore I have spoken

[balmy condor]

Aight I appreciate it but you ain’t gotta suck me off like that

I don’t need the glazing

[tall jay]

Ha

[true condor]

i am on lesson

but all i want to do is deathmark

i want deathmark

dm kb 1.8m explosion

[earnest remnant]

baby boom

do better

[magic fossil]

which keys worth CT in tyr?

uld maybe?

[earnest remnant]

w/e you want more AoE

[true condor]

idk how to make it huge

should i upload the log for reviewing in aoe?

[quiet junco]

Anyone using sudden demise?

[quiet junco]

Seem very popular according to subcreation

[balmy condor]

What’s the question about it

[neat plank]

just if anyone's using it, which they are 🙂

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

[neat plank]

in keys I go with that + crimson tempest for more trash damage or DTB for more boss dmg

[balmy condor]

If archon says people are using it

Then they are

I assume there’s a follow up

[neat plank]

its interesting that it's a pretty even split between DTB and that

and theyre both doing just as well

[balmy condor]

Yeh

There’s 2-3 builds

One down the left, one down the right

One avoiding the middle

[quiet junco]

Never ran it was just curious...do you have to set it up to drop the adds

[balmy condor]

And then CT and no CT variants of those

[balmy condor]

You don’t play around it at all

It just does its thing

[quiet junco]

Ic

[neat plank]

the only one i never do is the one down the right 😛

[quiet junco]

Ty

[neat plank]

I can't play without blindside -,-

[earnest remnant]

and why is that?

[autumn remnant]

it increases apm

[earnest remnant]

artificially sure

or rather gives very slight more energy

[autumn remnant]

i rly disliked when they nerfed the proc rate

[earnest remnant]

but now you literally just press your mutilate button and it just plays for you

so its not like you really notice it

[balmy condor]

I forgot they nerfed the proc rate tbh

[neat plank]

it makes me feel even more energy starved

[balmy condor]

If you didn’t read the notes you’d never notice

[neat plank]

now you could argue that subjective feelings of starvation mean nothing 😛 and all that matters is the final output number!!

yeah I just enjoy spamming ambush in execute range

makes me feel more assassiny

[earnest remnant]

id agree with you it was fun, when you actually pressed ambush

and it didn't just override mutilate

[neat plank]

I would disagree with you on that and double down on being annoyed that while I'm in Subterfuge mode, Mutilate isn't also replaced with Ambush -_-

[honest needle]

for aoe do we want to keep rupture and crimson both on all targets or just crimson ?

[neat plank]

I don't wanna "express my skill" by pressing button B instead of A, just make it less cluttered

[earnest remnant]

i prefer to press my own buttons and not have the game do it for me

but to each their own i suppose

[balmy condor]

yeh blindside was actually something to play around

Now it’s just mindless brainrot smash the generator button

Is what it is

I don’t really mind it either way, but it definitely lost something with the change

[autumn remnant]

that is true yea

but I dont like when they nerf stuff like this. I understand that they were looking to nerf something, especially assa's execute I guess, but I would've preferred if it was just a dmg change instead of a proc rate

[onyx gulch]

How often do you guys tab/change targets during opener to spread Garot? or do you let the smart apply and double up on your current target for more duration?

[autumn remnant]

I think that depends on how the pack is spaced out

[onyx gulch]

Pixel stacked

[balmy condor]

I usually don’t swap

If it’s a bunch of equal health targets I swap cause it doesn’t matter what I caustic

[onyx gulch]

Are you reapplying those empowered dots with death Mark on the same target? For big opener on AOE packs at the start of polls

[autumn remnant]

u can probably minmax it by tabbing if the pack is like spread at the start of the pull

[balmy condor]

But if there’s a caustic target then no swap

[onyx gulch]

On mass aoe can I get a rundown on first 10 globals? I know I can look at the guide and I have, but I’m too stupid to understand. Not a bad guide, I’m just inept

[neat plank]

You can just do a quicksim patchwerk 5 targets and then look at the cast sequence

ir 10 targets we

[balmy condor]

Spread garrote, spread rupture, crimson tempest/begin cooldowns depending on how long things will live

If things will survive, ct then cds

[onyx gulch]

So something like target lesser mob, garrote garrote, rupture, target prio mob, fon, tempest, muta deathmark, kingsbane shadow dance, garrote garrote rupture?

[balmy condor]

Just target the prio mob from the start, garrote x3, rupture, fok, ct, deathmark shadow dance kingsbane

[onyx gulch]

Ok, and during burst, say first pull in a dub, is S&D low priority until after burst?

[balmy condor]

Slice and dice?

Should always be up

You get it up instantly on the first pull as soon as you can

And then it never drops

[onyx gulch]

First pill of a dun or after long walk where it falls off but you have burst up

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[onyx gulch]

Ok

[balmy condor]

As soon as you can

[onyx gulch]

Ok ty

So garrote x3, rupture, fon, ct, muta s&d, deathmark, KB, shadow dance garrote x3, rupture. And then start fon/envenom spamming?

Sorry for all the questions I’m just kinda dumb

Other than shivs/teas

[neat plank]

it's a better idea to think about priorities rathen than exact button press sequences 😛

you just wanna spread bleeds quickly on pull, apply caustic spatter on the big fat prio target and then do your lil burst CD rotation

[onyx gulch]

Overall I would agree but with everything up and no on the call decision making I’d like to start just spamming a set of abilties on target dummies to try and get it memorized and stuck in my head, and then move on from there

[balmy condor]

you don't need the garrotes and ruptures after the kb, also you keep putting dance and kb in the wrong order

macro them together, dance must be first

[neat plank]

and dont forget shiv 🙂

[balmy condor]

gar x3, slice and dice

fok to a rupture

then send deathmark, shiv, dance->kb

build to crimson tempest

and you're good to go

[onyx gulch]

Ok awesome, I’ll give that a go, ty

[rotund oak]

whispyr new deathstalker vid waiting room

[balmy condor]

I'm not gonna make a vid until they release it for real

[rotund oak]

yup

cant test if there isnt anything to test

[slate crown]

well

can't read if there isn't anything to read

(in game)

[honest needle]

how many bullions should we have total this week ?

7 or 8

because i have 3 awaken peices and 1 bullion left over

Im trying to see if im caught up

[cursive owl]

yes UwU , good morning ^-^ , uhhh >w> it was a community key xD we just wanted to finish it once so i can get an item in vault. we had 1 troll healer at the +8 key so we invited a low healer from our community who healed it for us , we had lots of trouble but wi did it somehow ^^

good meowning o/

[grim jay]

But.. Do you like what youve seen so far?

[balmy condor]

I think it's a mess

it literally buffs

every single ability we have

except garrote

including auto attacks