assassination

[balmy condor]

so dragonflight 2022

shadowlands 2020

bfa 2018

legion 2016

[tall jay]

!plater

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[tall jay]

ty

[true condor]

i was playing classic when i was new

even not a rogue, its a enhancement

[waxen oyster]

somehow bfa was longer than legion

in terms of run time

[balmy condor]

yeh

legion cranked out 7.1 and 7.2

[waxen oyster]

i think SL launched in

[tropic tundra]

meanwhile 8.0 and 8.2

[balmy condor]

bfa was slower and then also has nyalotha

forever

[waxen oyster]

septembee/oct?

it was around na elections

[tropic tundra]

that was a shitload of homeworks

[waxen oyster]

i think

[balmy condor]

I remember having to ban a bunch of sylvanas trump memes

sounds about right

[true condor]

[balmy condor]

"but it's a wow meme, it's on topic"

[tropic tundra]

political memes aren't even fun at all

and discussing about em in a fantasy rpg

smh

[uneven plume]

when do we vanish?

whenever we need to reapply?

[waxen oyster]

nov 23 2020

[true condor]

in aoe?

[waxen oyster]

delayed a month

[tropic tundra]

with full cd, right before the final ticks of KB

[royal lantern]

its in the guides

last 3 seconds of kingsbane

in m+ its situational

[tropic tundra]

yeah in m+ you might want(a lot) to use it to apply dots to multiple targets

but in ST it's just part of your damaging cooldowns set

[uneven plume]

so in ST we just vanish, reapplys garrote and rupture?

[tropic tundra]

garrote yes if you have it low, rupture not necessary

unlike sub rogues doing it

[waxen oyster]

biden falling asleep compilations>

[balmy condor]

basically should never rupture from dance/vanish

in single target

[tropic tundra]

yeah

[runic hinge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[true condor]

i read it everyday

[balmy condor]

bac 👉 ❤️

[true condor]

to remember how to do kb boom

[balmy condor]

can't wait to not have to do that

tww can't come soon enough

kingsbane 🪦

[true condor]

wait kb dead?

no burst again?

[balmy condor]

kinda not really

but kinda

they cut the max stacks in half

buffed the base damage a little

but it's not going to omega scale like now

also no dance, no nightstalker

[tropic tundra]

sad, I always liked the 'one big fat damaging spell' class

[true condor]

what burst do we left after kb gone

[balmy condor]

deathmark, still kb

[tropic tundra]

but no 5mil kb probably

[junior aurora]

probably much higher than 5mil kb

(new expansion not being stat squished)

[tropic tundra]

lvl 80

[tall jay]

anyone know how to get rid of the double timer count down in plater?

[balmy condor]

shouldn't be a double timer

[true condor]

the previous lvl 80 is the golden age of woww

[balmy condor]

probably another addon interfering

[runic hinge]

when do you think we get squished again

[balmy condor]

they already said they're squishing for midnight

[runic hinge]

Oh

good

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/squish-squish-that-cat-cat-love-cat-gif-18338571099751758439

[balmy condor]

if they didn't, end boss of midnight would probably end up with a garrosh situation

overflowing health

[royal lantern]

and LT would go full Legion mode

[balmy condor]

well no

because garrosh was worse than legion

they've upped their integer limits though

so don't think that'll be an issue

but garrosh needed like 4 health bars cause they literally could not store his full health on one bar

good times

[royal lantern]

just like me fr

[true condor]

i have a question, when i poolin energy, my energy will still decrease but i havent used any spell, wondering why

[balmy condor]

sanguine blades probably

[true condor]

[balmy condor]

[slender trench]

How does sin compare to outlaw in higher keys? Is it just inferior?

[balmy condor]

More burst less overall

[slender trench]

Yeah I notice when death mark on cd my damage is terrible

[balmy condor]

Idk bout terrible but it’s definitely lower yeh

[slate crown]

Good, I welcome the squish.

Make my numbers make sense

[balmy condor]

Ayo?

[slate crown]

MAKE THEM MAKE SENSE

[balmy condor]

What’s not making sense about them now

[slender trench]

Sin compete with outlaw in raid tho?

[balmy condor]

Sin is better than outlaw in raid

[slender trench]

I just hate outlaw so I’m trying to make sin work

[balmy condor]

Then don’t play outlaw

Very simple

Don’t like -> don’t play

[slender trench]

True

[balmy condor]

There’s plenty of things in life we don’t like and still have to do

Like work

And taxes

And your mom

[slender trench]

Woah

[balmy condor]

Why drag that negativity into the game

Game is for happy things we want to do

[slender trench]

How do I not be a pink name

[balmy condor]

Top of the channel list there’s a roles thingy

[slender trench]

Or baige?

[balmy condor]

If you get any spec role it overwrites

[slender trench]

Yeah I see that now

[balmy condor]

Good color

[slender trench]

Much better i agree

[true condor]

I dont think so this season, like in this season too much big pull in m+

I think we are like better overall in high keys

[slate crown]

They make sense now, I'm just being dramatic. At the end of the day the scales are all arbitrary but it just feels really silly when the numbers in the game are as high as they have been in the past. It feels closer to home when things scale back, but my formative years in this game were in the days of bc/wotlk so that's my bias

[true condor]

But its very cringe to switch target

[slender trench]

Raider.io says different

[runic hinge]

m+ players are notoriously quick to adapt

[slender trench]

Outlaw is like 3.5% of 10+ whole sin is like 0.3%

But what does it matter mage and lock are the meta

[slate crown]

does that count keys from before the sin buff tho?

Not that I doubt law's prevalence in higher keys regardless

I'm sure it's higher even after the buff

[nimble zinc]

What’s the highest amount you’ve ever seen your KB or Sudden demise hit for?

I’m only 494 on rogue, but I saw a sudden demise hit for 1.3 mil in a key earlier. Felt pretty nice.

[true condor]

Like the feeling between sin and outlaw is season is completely different, more comfort to do sin

[slate crown]

2.7M in a NO earlier

That's sudden demise

[nimble zinc]

Also I did a mythic raid as my main (mw monk) and the 2 rogues were sub and outlaw and they only did like 200k on council. Was Pepe sadge.

[slender trench]

That’s weird

[nimble zinc]

Awesome. What level key?

[slate crown]

just a 4

[slender trench]

I just feel lack of the long arms on sin in keys

[slate crown]

You get used to it

Also good to get used to it

with it going away in TWW

You can always get it back, it's pretty easy to grab by dropping deeper

[nimble zinc]

My biggest challenge is there’s so much shit you have to run out of in melee.

[slate crown]

or tea, pick your poison

[slender trench]

Can’t drop tea

[true condor]

Such as the first pull of nokhud or first pull of nelth is completely different compared between outlaw and sin

[slender trench]

That’s a massive loss lol

[slate crown]

But I think it's better to get used to not having it simply because of it going away anyways

[slender trench]

I’m glad it Gomes

Gone

Paladin needs it next

[true condor]

Outlaw is very tired this season, with the buff of assa it’s more fun and powerful to play with

Just ask for a PI and aug

[slender trench]

Is that copium?

[slate crown]

You can, the buttons allow you to do so. It was an option in sims to drop tea for cleave after the season 3 rework. I wouldn't, it feels awful not having tea generally

But this is about feeling in gameplay because the thing you're going for is acro

[true condor]

No bc like sin is more fit to the pugs rn, priest and aug

[slender trench]

What classes are better than sin with pic

Pi in m+

[true condor]

Lock only I would say

[nimble zinc]

Ret pally? Fire mage?

[slender trench]

I was told boomkin

Was better

[true condor]

I fight with a lots mage in 13-14

Looks like they are noob or sth they can’t beat me

only lock could get me but I didn’t saw boomkin this season, like treeman replaced them

[slender trench]

Do you keep up crimson tempest buff in single target?

[true condor]

I asked about it today above

[slender trench]

O my bad

[true condor]

Was a bad choice to keep it in St

[slender trench]

Well I’m mostly talking about keys

[slate crown]

No, you don't

[slender trench]

Okay

[true condor]

Yea also in keys brother, don’t use it in St

[slate crown]

4+ targets maintain it

otherwise don't

[true condor]

Only 4+

[slender trench]

I feel that should o be mentioned in the wowhead guide

But maybe I missed it

[true condor]

#assassination message

Here

[slate crown]

It's there. Have to enable the target checks

[slender trench]

I see

[slate crown]

And in the below section about multi-target

[slender trench]

Yeah that’s my fault

I didn’t read it close enough

[slate crown]

It happens

[slender trench]

I’m a dh main

That my excuse

[sick swallow]

When the opportune time to grief torch? I’m assuming after KB is done?

I tried doing it in the opener but then I lose out on ashes for death mark/KB

[slate crown]

Yes. On cooldown after your opener, as long as it doesn't push ashes away from DM

[uneven plume]

In AA i know i take FoK talent

but what about in other dungeons

with less mobs

[sick swallow]

Just started playing the spec. While it kinda feels like rocket surgery it’s a lot of fun

[balmy condor]

I didn’t either, I actually just fixed the 3 or fewer like an hour ago because it still had CT

[woeful meteor]

the good part about the talent is the 12yd range not the dmg, so any dungeons where the mobs are generally pretty spread you'd take it

and grouping is mostly a tank thing

especially with vdh

[true condor]

[woeful meteor]

[violet jackal]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[true condor]

lets fun

[true condor]

i time it

brothers

[runic hinge]

you're too good

[true condor]

the experience when doing huge aoe in the funkin toxic explode

is the heaven

[fallen arch]

Ye man we love that shit

Pop everything

See 2.5 million dps peaks

[grizzled lynx]

its assa over outlaw?

[ebon steppe]

In some dungeons yeah

Massive pulls

[true condor]

i would say in most of first pulls

this season is a revenge to rogues

worse than SL 9.2

meme season

[rotund oak]

as a kit its definitely stronger,in terms of dmg its debatable

Iron wire + 6 sec silence and 5t enrage dispell is very powerful

[grim bison]

they're both memes, not meant for high keys

[vestal cliff]

does somebody has a good plater profile i can borrow? xD
just came back to wow and everything is lost :C

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

there's some here

[vestal cliff]

thanks!

[cinder grotto]

I'm sorry to be asking this question, but I just can't seem to find that awesome graphic that showed Sin ST rotation for kingsbane/Deathmark window rotation. Can someone remind me of the optimal rotation? From memory it's something like:
shiv -> dance -> KB + tea -> DM + pot + trink -> garrote -> envenom -> Mut to envenom -> shiv -> mut -> envenom -> mut -> vanish -> garrote -> envenom.

[cinder grotto]

Damn that was quick!!! Thanks so much!

[balmy condor]

np

I had the guide open in a tab already :P

[cinder grotto]

So, I know you've been asked this a million times before, but what does the opener look like if you have Ashes of the Embersoul and Grieftorch? Would you wait with Grieftorch until after the first KB window?

[balmy condor]

you ashes with kb and then grieftorch whenever possible as long as it doesn't fuck your ashes

[cinder grotto]

Gotcha, this from your icy-veins guide:
If your on-use trinket is Ashes of the Embersoul Icon Ashes of the Embersoul, use it when Kingsbane Icon Kingsbane has 9-10seconds left on its duration.

[balmy condor]

I don't write the icyveins guide

but that's generally correct

[cinder grotto]

Ohhhh sorry I thougt it was also yours.

[balmy condor]

waiting a couple seconds into kb isn't necessary though

just use it with kb

[cinder grotto]

Okay cool, makes it easier too 🙂

[balmy condor]

just add it to your dance macro

big chillin

[cinder grotto]

Sweet!

[true condor]

gm whispyr

[true condor]

another fail key

[subtle tundra]

not a fail if you had fun

[true condor]

well thats tru tho

i did

but the tank just arguein

[potent raven]

yo. does anyone want to do a few NOs on eu rn

need to get the neck

[subtle tundra]

i want to do NO runs

[rotund oak]

i hate those stupid c@nts that wanna chat in the middle of the key rather than focusing

[potent raven]

really

[rotund oak]

destroys the mentality

[subtle tundra]

if only these mfs in my guild would help me on my paladin

holy shti!

[potent raven]

i cbaa playing this game alone rn

im swapping to sin fully prob

just dont wanna touch sub ever in my life unless its smoldy or something

[rotund oak]

yup pretty much

[potent raven]

spec is horrible for keys too xd

[rotund oak]

there is no reason to plan ahead as sub playing alone

[potent raven]

and i hate dust as well

[rotund oak]

i think its fine,it just needs to know before starting when u press what

midnlessly sending cds its just not a sub thing

sub is extreme in planned routes

it shits on both sin and outlaw

period

[potent raven]

its prob likee

same dps in raid rn

w/ pi

unless its dps amp

bosses

ngl lol

and raszageth

is good

[rotund oak]

yup they are close but idk

[potent raven]

for sub pretty much

[rotund oak]

raids this season man

[subtle tundra]

its omegaforfun season

[rotund oak]

[potent raven]

i mean

[subtle tundra]

unless youre pushing 20s

play wahtever

[potent raven]

im trynna become a beast

but sub

my logs bro

i just am stupid

[subtle tundra]

thank god ive evolved past logs

get it? evolved? cause my guild is called evolve

how did you guys not get that

[rotund oak]

thats why we love u my man

u Fs given for pointless shit

u see clearly whats needed

[potent raven]

whats ur guild wr?

[subtle tundra]

31 in amirdrassil

[potent raven]

tf

send wlogs

[subtle tundra]

private log

😎

[rotund oak]

no one

literally no one

cares

for this in s4

[subtle tundra]

ive done more keys on my 480 pala than on rogue

thank god blizz cant balance m+ meta

otherwise i might've wanted to play

[potent raven]

insane

lmao ur guild is a beast

[subtle tundra]

they are

[rotund oak]

you are part of it

so you are as well

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[potent raven]

guild that wants 2 recruit me

[grim jay]

you missed the o

its without

it just comes down to fight length and, as you said, if there are amps

no wft is meh aswell

[potent raven]

theres a chance they wont raid in tww LOL

cuz russians

[grim jay]

why is it a russian thing

[potent raven]

russians cant buy anything

from battle net

[grim jay]

cant you like

but it from somewhere else?

[potent raven]

not sureyet

im not in russia so no issues 4 me

i alrdy bought it

pre ordered it

[grim jay]

that kinda sucks for them ngl

[potent raven]

yeah

there will b codes to buy tho

b4 it comes out

maybe

[rotund oak]

paysafe cards can be put on ur acc balance

its the same thing

u just buy the paysafe with ur credit card and transfer the money=>translate to acc balance

[grim jay]

you could buy wow tokens for balance aswell ig

[rotund oak]

u can buy everything with account balance thats how i bought TWW

[grim jay]

no I mean

buying tokens with gold

[rotund oak]

u cant Sub with account balance though

[grim jay]

and selling them for balance

to buy tww

[rotund oak]

oh ye

but thats troll idk

[grim jay]

if you cant access shop otherwise

id do it

not hard to get gold

[rotund oak]

well every bank in the world,it doesnt matter if its Russia or Denmark

can probably do that

sense might be unaware its probable

[grim jay]

I didnt know it was an issue at all

[rotund oak]

assuming we are implying about russia's restrictions to western transactions

due to war n stuff

[grim jay]

I kinda never thought about it applying to game stuff

[rotund oak]

yeah but knowing that sense is russian iirc

might leave outside russia but still use russian banks for transactions

might still be an issue

[static glacier]

Blizzard honestly need to never involve themselves in politics

It always turns out so stupidly, remember hearthstone and the China fiasco?

[grim jay]

its 2024, thats probably not going to work out well

[static glacier]

Denying Russia battle.net purchasing ability isn’t realistically going to do anything, they can just play private servers

[grim jay]

its not about it doing something realistically

its all about statements

[rotund oak]

yup

[static glacier]

It kinda is about realistic stuff, embargo’s severely affect the quality of daily life

[rotund oak]

but its kinda stupid coz it doesnt rly have any impact to begin with

[grim jay]

its just to show that they oppose whats happening

and if you dont do that as a company

you kinda get criticized

if its stupid or not

[static glacier]

Brother I’ve a masters in economics - trust me it’s not just for statement

Embargo’s seek to stagnate a country to the point that it can’t continue w/e it’s doing that you don’t like

[grim jay]

cool. I work with that aswell

but noone actually cares

[potent raven]

ok

[grim jay]

there are always multiple possibilities and thats just one

[potent raven]

they interviewed me

seems pretty good

only hard thing will be

[grim jay]

nice fam

[potent raven]

doing it everythin in russian

gotta swap my game language too

[static glacier]

I assume you’re fluent

[potent raven]

yeah

its just that im so used w. english

it wont be an issue

[static glacier]

Why do you have to swap the game language

[potent raven]

could be comfier that way

[static glacier]

Can’t you just translate mechanic names manually

[potent raven]

i guess so

we'll c whats the best

@subtle tundra do u actually wanna run no

[rotund oak]

GL on ur new adventure

[potent raven]

at least they seem chill

cuz my last gl man

holy fuck lol

[rotund oak]

😅

been there done that

[potent raven]

guy was ready to

fail my 30 days trial for failing to soak kurog fire

just cant w this

[rotund oak]

u will eventually do that as well

just need time

dont listen to toxic cunts and have fun my man

[potent raven]

trying B)

[true condor]

i am the example

i am enjoyin now

[potent raven]

man i need nokhud neck so badly rn

[subtle tundra]

it was joke
do NO run

do no run

dont do run

[potent raven]

didnt laugh

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt even get invited to keys lol

[potent raven]

got invited to a 12

jealous?

[subtle tundra]

i have 700 score

[true condor]

this one?

[potent raven]

lemme boost u up

[true condor]

[potent raven]

xd

im 3k score

professional gamer

[subtle tundra]

sorry that happened to you

[rotund oak]

bac has some srs kungfu when it comes to keys

[subtle tundra]

(playing wow)

[potent raven]

WDYM

YOURE PLAYING IT AS WELL?

no worries im doomed to an eternity of suffering

its alright

[wide ferry]

For the garrotes during kingsbane, at the end of thr description, it says "garrote if more than 3, garrote if more than 6" am i remaining on my kingsbane target and casting these? Or spreading them around?

[potent raven]

not sure i just go with the vibe

yeah u are because youre dotting everything around yu

you

after you vanish > garrote

[wide ferry]

Yes, so the last 3 secones of KB, is vanish garrote rupture garrote, id be spreading these in aoe situations and in st remaing on my kb target?

[junior aurora]

with IC itll spread off of your kb target if you dont swap, if you do swap it will spread to more targets

so you can remain on the main target if you want to be lazy

[wide ferry]

It only spreads to another 2 targets though right? So saythe huge pull at the start of BH, better off spreading those, right?

[potent raven]

id swap only if there were like

many targets around n u want to re-apply every dot

[wide ferry]

gotchya thank u

[potent raven]

if they ran out

[junior aurora]

in a huge pull its better to swap to spread more

[potent raven]

honestly i do sometimes but idk stuff dies too quick after ur burst

and those last garrotes usually mobs are so low hp its not worth re-applying dots

[junior aurora]

you’ll be getting an extra 2 bleeds out if you swap

[potent raven]

better to pool envenoms

its situational

[junior aurora]

this is entirely key level and group skill dependent tbf

[potent raven]

very true

very situational

[wide ferry]

yea im thinking at least +11-12

[rotund oak]

its not rly situational though

u wont need to reapply bleeds for mobs that will die to 4sec or less

[potent raven]

ivebeen playing a lot of sin lately

well as i said

and if there are mobs that are still gonna like survive for

long, youd reapply

[rotund oak]

i think the rule is 6+

irrc

[potent raven]

yeah idk the time

[rotund oak]

yeah u need to know the time

[potent raven]

i just do it if there are mobs around at half hp or more

[rotund oak]

else why would u consider whats bad or good

ye thats wrong,mobs might live for a min in half or less hp

[junior aurora]

but to answer your original question it entirely comes down to how lazy you’re feeling. Swapping is more damage but not incredibly mandatory

[wide ferry]

Doing gods work, thanks fellas

[junior aurora]

Bleeds like garrote in aoe tend to be for energy gain rn

Most of our aoe damage comes from kingsbane/caustic spatter/tierset

and a little ct

[rotund oak]

garrote btw is our n1 bleed dmg

just sayin

so the importance of it is both dmg and energy

anyway,knowing when u cna reapply dots to minmax some dmg out of ur bleeds

is very very cool for sin

[potent raven]

so true uwu

i love sin

[rotund oak]

i love rogue man

sin is just beautiful

outlaw is poggies sub is the actual art

[wide ferry]

It really is, i tried ww and dh and they just suck compared to rogue

[potent raven]

dust is yeah

but brew is w/e

its ezmode sub

which defeats the point of sub kek

[royal lantern]

allright guys, enough circlejerking

[potent raven]

tf

rogue is bis

[gusty mirage]

I’m not finished yet though

[royal lantern]

then keep jerking

[gusty mirage]

Aye aye captain

[royal lantern]

and dont need to brag

about lasting that long

[gusty mirage]

[junior aurora]

its no longer bragging

hes become desensitized

homie gonna feature on the next death grips album

[grim jay]

death grip is a lie ive heard

[brave stump]

Couldnt have said it better

[potent raven]

just found out u can use howling runes

pretty broken

[junior aurora]

[strange python]

man there is nothing wrong with poison build in low~ish fort keys 😄 this thing fucking slaps, who needs ilvl

ret pala was 505 too

[true condor]

bro trust me

pala grab a lots of dmg from u

[strange python]

almost every single pull had a mob with high enough hp to live deathmark + kb so i was happy with the dmg i got anyway 😄

[royal lantern]

you play a burst class and can burst

yes, thats how burst builds work

[strange python]

i was met with a tiny amount of very mild criticism yesterday when i said i was playing poison build everywhere, so that felt fun to share

[royal lantern]

the f is "poison build" even supposed to be

[dawn karma]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CdR8zaXN94FkbyLw#fight=last&source=2 Tried out a slightly different build I found on the interwebs (Method's guide specifically). Thoughts on how it/I did? Thanks in advance for anyone who glances at it.

[potent raven]

yeah i think im going cleave in most dngeons with small pulls

but u lose a lot of dps if u drop ct in dungs like aa/nelth idk

[junior aurora]

i mean the criticism was that the build doesnt really shine until high keys, not that the build was bad

[potent raven]

well at least with no scent

u wont have to track rupturing 5 mobs in a row kek

so its ez

does anybody have a good scent wa though

why did i craft thsi helm man

so troll

[arctic socket]

I think you’re posting that to flex the offhand

[potent raven]

kek

no

just giga troll gear cuz i was gearing sub

[arctic socket]

Still nice gear

[hardy dagger]

Same crafted engineering helm as first craft

[nimble zinc]

dudes, look how popular assa got this week, practically overnight. on Tuesday the 99% parse for heroic primal council was about 470k. on Wednesday it jumped up to 741k.

and on thursday it jumped to almost 800k

Who the heck is doing 800k on this boss?

[potent raven]

few ppl from here did 900k iirc

[junior aurora]

i played shitty and still did 550k at like 505 so i think 800k is absolutely doable at 522+

[dawn karma]

So what I’m hearing is I’m just bad at it. Granted, I’m 505ilvl

[pure moth]

I jumped in lava. No parse for me!

[nimble zinc]

i think it just means the top players hard swapped to assa rogue overnight cuz they caught wind it was good

[pure moth]

Was always good

We just got the buff which brought everyone back to sin

[nimble zinc]

yeah makes sense

[junior aurora]

we got buffed by like 8%

we were not good lol

[spice surge]

Turns out, a spec becomes better when you buff it by like 8%

[nimble zinc]

go figure

[junior aurora]

get buffed by enough to start getting PI again and the numbers go up higher than 8% too

[nimble zinc]

I'm pretty sure going from 470k to 700k is a lot more than an 8% gain..

[spice surge]

Ye more like 12-13% buffs since people start getting PI again

[junior aurora]

gear went way up, we started getting PI, kill times went way down

kill timers down means burst spec up

[nimble zinc]

hmmm

yeah my raid lead on mythic said his guild downed it in like a minute.

[spice surge]

Correct, but whats likely happening is that A. Kill times went down but also B. More well geared/well playing people started playing the spec

[junior aurora]

like a guy did 1 mil dps on it

1:30 kill time

[nimble zinc]

yeah that's nuts

thats' probably the 100 parse guy that no one's gonna beat lol

[potent raven]

i did close to 600k

having no idea wtf im doin

[junior aurora]

there's a guy that did more and his fight was 2:30

[potent raven]

just used my stuff on cd and used ct

[nimble zinc]

I feel like I could get atleast 600k if I get to like 520+

[potent raven]

i think? or close to 500k idrk its such af un fight

yeah probably more if you know what youre doing

and kill timers matter a lot

[nimble zinc]

i did it at 491 on tuesday and was like 306k keke

[true condor]

tbh the mostly thing i do as a rogue is sitting on the bench waiting for a group

it usually take like 30 mins to 60 mins

[gusty mirage]

weird how that works

next you'll tell me that spec strength is directly a tuning thing

[true condor]

i think the reason why sin rise not only the dmg, but the dungeon experience this season

and the satisfaction when toxic exploded

[somber sparrow]

well there was also a good build shared earlier in the week. According to sims it would have more than doubled what I got on the primal council fight.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h7QPtsFTyKS1sjFHNTHHNZ

[true condor]

good taste in suit bro

[subtle tundra]

people discover popularity correlates with strength

phoah

[clever sapphire]

Imma drop the S bomb

Shadowpriest

[subtle tundra]

next ill be told simple specs are the most played

such as bm and ret

woaaaaah

[junior aurora]

no we scale trust

[clever sapphire]

Hold your horses, we dont wanna speculate

[hardy dagger]

Oh god yes I love S C A L I N G

[subtle tundra]

pee

[lament belfry]

how are people spreading their bleeds? tab targetting? mouse over macros?

[clever sapphire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

IC takes care of most of it on pull, but after I personally tab target, others find mouse overs easier

[subtle tundra]

doing the tabbies

[gusty mirage]

kind of a personal preference tbh

[junior aurora]

i like being ultra lazy sometimes

[fallen arch]

Tab tab

[valid leaf]

ALO

Poison boys

Is 1% haste enough for assa

And 11k versa

I want to send assa on first pull/boss in academy

[fallen arch]

Enough for what

[valid leaf]

Can i play it in outlaw gear or im gutted by stats

For academy first pull

[junior aurora]

idk just throw haste enchants on ur weapons

[valid leaf]

Do you still need haste for energy regen

[fallen arch]

Fine I guess, we like mastery though

[valid leaf]

Or its all with bleeds and poisons nowadays

Last time i played assa was shadowlands season 1

[storm forum]

Iirc, a vers > crit > haste > mast OL profile was like a 2% loss last season.

[junior aurora]

assa likes haste but all the secondaries are close enough that it wont matter

[tropic tundra]

imagine luck as an actual stat

[fallen arch]

Just send it with these stats

[tropic tundra]

no haste, full luck to always free ambush

[junior aurora]

luck is a stat

its called critical strike lmao

[tropic tundra]

thats like 30% of luck

higher luck = you never get targeted by shits

[storm forum]

Mount drop rate % pls

[tropic tundra]

^

[clever sapphire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[strange python]

do good assa rogues have near-100% spatter uptime overall in keys? only have one key in details where i had 80%, and i know that i'm still missing uptime a bit here and there

would just be nice to have a ballpark where i can say "okay good enough"

[valid leaf]

Cheers boys

[potent raven]

i have nevr checked that

[potent raven]

too bad my vers is reaching 40%

[valid leaf]

Will try to send couple of pulls

[strange python]

i just check it because i've cringed out of my skin a few times seeing the last couple ticks of KB go off and noticing i'd let spatter fall off

[valid leaf]

Should have higher aoe compared to outlaw even if shit stats

[strange python]

but i'm a 5 day old baby at assa so i forgive myself for now

[potent raven]

do u have a wa

that tracks it for u

if youre focusing a target

not on plater

[strange python]

i use luxthos' WA pack, and i also made myself a WA that puts up a gigantic transparent pulsing spatter icon if my target has rupture + deadly but not spatter

[potent raven]

not bad then

[fallen arch]

Is there a standalone spatter wa?

[strange python]

i can send you the one i made with the giant pulsing icon 😄

[fallen arch]

I usually track it with plater tbh

[brave gyro]

just copy the one from your pack as a separate one and enlarge it

[strange python]

but that only shows up if its missing

^ better idea

[fallen arch]

I dont think the Luxthos pack I use has it though

But I may be trippin

[strange python]

upper right corner there

on mine

[fallen arch]

Oh it does

Ye good shout to enlarge it

[brave gyro]

[junior aurora]

dunno if its updated but cevs plater profile turns health bar green when its active

[strange python]

yeah doing rotation and ramping up for dm+kb still takes enough of my attention that i let stuff slip if i dont have it screaming in my face

slowly but surely getting it to muscle memory though

[brave gyro]

eyy that's what happens to your HP, when you are poisoned, in PoE 2 as well!

[potent raven]

iits a bit of effort

to play assa in keys

[junior aurora]

if cosmetics go forward my healthbar will be purple forevermore in poe

so ill never see it lol

[strange python]

what a wonderful day when details stops doing this because of sanguine

[potent raven]

i wish i had an easy way to track rupture over mobs

[strange python]

i set my plater to manual mode, only enabled garrote rupture & kb, and enlarged the buffs

it works fairly well even amidst the chaos of big pulls

[potent raven]

do u have an ss of that

[brave gyro]

plater or ElvUI makes it much easier

[potent raven]

i use jundies plater it tracks everything and pandemic too

but i gotta make it larger probably

[strange python]

of the plates in action or the settings page for the debuff tracking?

[brave gyro]

yeah, you gotta have it the way it's best for you 🙂

[potent raven]

yeah plates in action

wait i show ss

[brave gyro]

people have different screen sizes, some play on 1440p, other on 1080p etc.

[potent raven]

ic

[strange python]

dropping nameplate scrolling combat text might help with visibility, i should turn off my floating shit too

[potent raven]

ikr

but its so cool lmao

i love how it looks

[strange python]

yeah 😄

[potent raven]

so i dont want to turn it off

maybe i find a way around it

so it doesnt clutter the plater

[strange python]

use oldschool mik's scrolling combat text

never could stand that stuff myself

[brave gyro]

maybe just off-set it so it's way below the actual nameplate

[strange python]

i think there's an animation setting that makes it fall down

rather than bouncing in upward arcs like it seems they're using there

[potent raven]

i think just making them bigger 100% will help

[potent raven]

yeah

[junior aurora]

i turned off all scrolling combat text tbh

[potent raven]

i was gonna do that but got lazy

[strange python]

😄

[potent raven]

sct is too cool

[junior aurora]

screen gets so cluttered with effects now that removing anything helps

[potent raven]

if u were to minmax ud turn everything off

even damage numbers

default blizzard ones

[strange python]

i think i'll end up just having KB ticks show

[junior aurora]

yea i turned off damage numbers

[clever sapphire]

I turn off my monitor so it doesnt get cluttered

[strange python]

seeing a big-ass >mil kb tick in real-time would be juicy

[potent raven]

happens quite frequently

[junior aurora]

got the weakaura tracker for that

[heavy sentinel]

is there anything i can macro kingsbane with?

[potent raven]

no

[junior aurora]

shadow dance

[potent raven]

oh

right lol

[clever sapphire]

Dance

[junior aurora]

thats it probably

[strange python]

back in SL i played arcane mage with big barrage build, had a WA that played a sound clip of a cheering clapping crowd and a big bouncing number of the damage, was hilarious

[junior aurora]

trinket gets put with deathmark

[strange python]

big dopamine pump every time it fired

[heavy sentinel]

ahh ok so i should macro it with the dance then

[strange python]

uh, when it crit*

[heavy sentinel]

ty

[strange python]

macroing dance to kb was a big quality of life improvement

[heavy sentinel]

i used to play sin back in legion and it was easier lol

[potent raven]

everyone playing sin again

i even saw zac stream sin rn

[strange python]

i love that there's a bit of work to getting damage out of the poison build

if i fuck up i get no cake

[potent raven]

anyone else just hates halls

even on higher keys 14-15 theres no high hp mob targe

t

thatd survive my dm kb

[strange python]

the dragons are alright in that one lone part of the dungeon 😄

[potent raven]

thats the only ok part lol

[strange python]

oh wait two, there are more of them after boss

[potent raven]

yea first part of tht dung is horrible

thinkingof just playing sub on it

[strange python]

whispyr has some videos on accelerating the cds on youtube

highly recommend

[potent raven]

doesnt matter

thats what i was doing

[strange python]

ah

rip

[potent raven]

if youre playing with a sp/mage

those mobs get deleted

its just big packs w. low hp mobs

[strange python]

guess the only real answer is bleeds build then

[potent raven]

yes

i think sub is fine there besides dragons part

[subtle tundra]

Wait for tgp ☝️

[potent raven]

whens that

[subtle tundra]

Idk

But wait for it

[potent raven]

holy melee suck in current dungeons

yea we wont see a single melee dps

probably

[subtle tundra]

Just you wait and see

💰

[strange python]

are people gonna make blizz remove the buff to kb's baseline damage and just leave it with a hard nerf from the buff cap 😄

for tww

[potent raven]

i gotta check whats sin look like for tww

i assume all rogue specs are in the dumpster rn

[subtle tundra]

If they would listen to me, yes

But unfortunately they dont

[potent raven]

what are your suggestions

[subtle tundra]

Delete kb

☝️

[potent raven]

xddddddddddd

[strange python]

then how am i supposed to play poison build ;_;

[potent raven]

everything u do while playing this spec is to buff ur kb dps

kek

[strange python]

i'm new to it and love that about it 😄 havent been around long enough to grow resentful over the talent compulsion

[subtle tundra]

Too many new people then 😡 leave my normie spec alone don't popularize it

[brave gyro]

I'd rather have poison KB builds than bleed Exsang build tbf

[gusty mirage]

you never needed haste for energy regen

you need so much haste to even notice a change in energy regen

[potent raven]

can everyone good stop playing this spec

so no more nerfs

im trynna play

[strange python]

whispyr seemed torn on whether the kb change is even a nerf

[subtle tundra]

My brother what nerf

Tww changes?

Those aren't nerfs, just spec changrs

Changing dmg patterns

Not tuning

[marble whale]

@balmy condor i'm sorry to bother, but i recall u talking about rogue having reduced threat and ToT being not that effective, where can i find info about it?

[potent raven]

accurate

[subtle tundra]

Only thing I read that whispyr said is tot being less effective cause we dot at the start of the pull when threat is relevant

By the time we do dmg threat is solved

[royal lantern]

what has current numbers to do with TWW tuning

?????

and ofc is the change no nerf

Its a pattern change lol

cus rn 90% of assa dmg is kingsbane(with externals) and they rebalance it out a bit

[spice spire]

How about you change ur pattern of anger big dog and go into loving ur fellow sin brethren

[royal lantern]

no

[potent raven]

thats so cute and real wow

[spice spire]

O

[royal lantern]

i wanna be a dog

cus that means no work tomorrow

[spice spire]

George has a hard life

Dogs work

(He’s laying on his back right now trying to sleep)

[royal lantern]

ngl

george looks like as if he needs to actively has to use his brain to breathe

[spice spire]

Yeah he absolutely does

[brave gyro]

[spice spire]

No thoughts head empty type of dog

[subtle tundra]

I love you?

Man those are scary words

[earnest remnant]

time to stream my weekly keys i guess

get this shit nerfed again

[spice spire]

Love you too mister varas hope you’ve had a great day

[subtle tundra]

It has been a day

It's getting worse by the day

I'm surprised I haven't cried yet

5 weeks left

Something good better happen to me soon cause it needs to happen

I need

Somehow 2024 is more mentally draining so far than 2023 and it's a high bar

[junior aurora]

tricks doesn't get the tank threat coefficient so its like a drop in the bucket for threat gen

in organized groups you can still take it to pull for your tank though but at that point just have a ranged dps do it

[royal lantern]

it also doesnt help that assa dmg is slow, so tricks does even less

[junior aurora]

also on a choice node with blackjack iirc which is giga useful in keys

[potent raven]

Ill b there bby

[royal lantern]

ye, blackjack can be big

[marble whale]

sometimes seems like if i have ToT up, i still can't pull for the tank and aggro the mobs

[royal lantern]

if a healer is healing, yeha

[marble whale]

why hunter have easier time doing that compared to rogues? just being ranged?

[royal lantern]

again, ToT is allready doing only a very minor thing

for assa its close to 0 cus you do autohits+ 2-3 garrote ticks and thats it

[marble whale]

so a damage profile problem?

outluls can do it better?

[royal lantern]

"better" ye

its still tricks

again, threat redirections are just not really doing anything big cus they dont have the tank multipcliaction

[gusty mirage]

I'm emailing your officers to force you to play outlaw

stinky ass

[subtle tundra]

Better doesn't equal good in this case

[earnest remnant]

thats just straight up mean

[junior aurora]

and again its on a choice node with blackjack

which is just better

[spice spire]

Love you big dog. You got this king, mean it.

[clever sapphire]

zacs chat is cookin, telling him to not play CT in low keys

[subtle tundra]

A group of outlaws is called a circus

[hasty gate]

does anyone have a weakaura calling for pi when useing deathmark

[subtle tundra]

It's called a macro

[hasty gate]

u right

[potent raven]

lmao

I spam my dm so my priest gets like 10dms in a row

[hasty gate]

yea just did that in raid and they got mad lol

[potent raven]

No idea how to avoid that

[earnest remnant]

just make a separate button thats just a whisper for PI

[spice surge]

It wouldnt surprise me if theres a WA/addon that fixes the issue as well

[potent raven]

hmm smart

[clever sapphire]

i have a wa that whispers the person of my choice when i press dm

but i forgot which one it is

xD

[proven jasper]

yeah same

Think its just called pi whisper or something

[misty shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

You don't, you make them suffer the 20 messages

that's their fault for playing a class that gives an external

[potent raven]

kek

Fair

[gusty mirage]

and tbh they're probably used to it

my old RL used to just have a /w PI macro built into his CDs normally so he'd just randomly whisper our priests when he was doing keys or whatever

lmfao

[junior aurora]

i dare not tempt the priest in my group to start PIing the hunter instead

if i sent him a whisper id get blacklisted

[gusty mirage]

most of them use the WA that casts it on the person who whispers them

because they cba tracking when people want/need it

[junior aurora]

oh he cba either

i get it randomly@

hope it lines up lmao

[past forum]

I think there’s a Jak weakaura that does a voice alert/text message when a dps pops a cd, that you can add/blacklist specific cds/player names.

I edited it to meow instead, to suit my priest’s preferences

[gusty mirage]

you can admit you edited it to meow because it's the superior way to relay that information

it's okay, we're all on your team here

except for quake but he's just an angry man

[past forum]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-kitten-fluffy-gif-7762292

[spice spire]

??

[runic hinge]

horny man*

[earnest remnant]

down horrendous one might say

[spice spire]

Pot kettle innit

[earnest remnant]

youd think you were Australian with how much Down-under you are

[spice spire]

Mf really projecting rn

[earnest remnant]

im completely ZEN

im in celibacy

you and i

are not the same

[potent raven]

erm based

[royal lantern]

my horny ass could not raid with quake

[spice spire]

Yeah ok bud, I’ve seen u in dms

[earnest remnant]

you wish

[spice spire]

I know

[silk bane]

bros girlfriend crying in tears like why wont u love me. stealthi : not until deathstalkers out

realz breaking relationships smh

[rotund oak]

what would it take to get my hands into those leaks

(joking ofc)

[silk bane]

unless...

jk tho.... but unless

[rotund oak]

its when u throw a mixed signal to a babe,check out the reactions

thats as old as humanity

[spice spire]

Nothing - I respect Stealthi and his privacy

[rotund oak]

not a gossip girl dont rly care

what i care baout i make sure i ask for myself

[subtle tundra]

sometimes i wish i was lactose intolerant

[magic meadow]

i have a question about the talents this week and next week. this week is it better to take arterial shock build and next on tyran the hybrid or cleave build?

[grand trail]

feint not enough on forti wonder what assa would do on tyra 😄

[subtle tundra]

is that aoe?

[grand trail]

idk its the first boss in uld

the circle thing

[subtle tundra]

think ive done that dungeon 5 times in first season

idk what that is

[midnight mist]

well you can cloak the aoe

and evasion the dagger throw

[grand trail]

yeah but you have cloak once per fight

(and did not know you can claok it)

[midnight mist]

ok but i doubt you get a bad overlap like this 3 times a fight so

[grand trail]

i did not even notice that dagger cast as i was in cds

its kinda scary playing assa in higher keys

[subtle tundra]

back in my day i was considered tanky spec

[grand trail]

you have feint for everyzjhing but even like that last boss was hitting for 70-80%

[subtle tundra]

do you play sark cloak?

[grand trail]

no

[midnight mist]

outlaw has basically 40% dr perma more than sin so

might be a bit hard in some high keys

[silk bane]

daggers not aoe

[fast pine]

this assa cooking or what ?

the timer

[grand trail]

dagger still got reduced by elusivnes by 20%

[silk bane]

u need elusiveness for it

[fast pine]

is so insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane

[wide ferry]

guys can someone link the Weak auras? Looking for the caustic spatter trracker and kingsbane timer

[subtle tundra]

its with bugged gear pretty sure

[midnight mist]

ye assa very good, they were able to +3 that keys thanks to sin

its cause he got pi tho

[fast pine]

nah it m ust be bugged no?

[subtle tundra]

ah yea

[grand trail]

you htink i play cheat death as assa kek

[spice surge]

Assa is good

[subtle tundra]

yea assa with pi

[midnight mist]

no cause then you will die even more ?

[subtle tundra]

makes academy so easy

[grand trail]

idk i just feel like paper as assa and i still have

30% vers

[silk bane]

nah u gotta play elusiveness as sin

[midnight mist]

thats cause you are paper

[silk bane]

legit cant live

but also u need like 30% vers

[midnight mist]

dont have perma evasion

[grand trail]

no evasion no sprint

[midnight mist]

thats what i said yes

[grand trail]

no acro

[gusty mirage]

you're paper on all 3 specs, outlaw just gets around it because of float like a butterfly

[grand trail]

the spec is cooked

[gusty mirage]

and sub has vanish absorb

[earnest remnant]

now imagine what the non tanky classes feel

[grand trail]

atleast i was only one doing aoe dispells of enrage 😄

[earnest remnant]

cuz rogue is still pretty high up there

[grand trail]

warrior with retri carry dmg

[gusty mirage]

sorry bud I'm a ret pally main now

can't relate to peasantry

[silk bane]

nice try oxi

where u gonna be withotu your legbo

next xpac

yeah thats what i thought

[gusty mirage]

the same place I'd be if I still played my rogue

[silk bane]

probably still higher on logs idk

[gusty mirage]

in the retirement home

[subtle tundra]

its surely the assa rogue doing +3 academy