assassination

[lime edge]

Hm

[strange python]

What ring do you have that does damage?

Exactly

It’s just free dam

[ivory flower]

900k dmg per dungeon is my mean

Not really a big diff

For sin

[hexed willow]

I wonder if any of the ulduar gear is mysteriously good; seems to happen a bunch with rogues

[tall atlas]

sim says haste ring, blindly trust sim yes? yesz

[indigo totem]

I got Invincible on my last Ulduar Timewalking, I'd say that's good gear 😎

[rotund oak]

u should always follow ur personal sims

[shy pecan]

Free damage is free damage

[spice spire]

I hate free damage

Need to grind harder to top those meters

[thorn fjord]

Are all raids awakened this week? Or just vault

[marble hemlock]

one more round of just 1 raid

[thorn fjord]

ah ok

ty

[grim jay]

idk why exactly you would question it in the first place

specifically mentioning haste

[junior aurora]

yeah sin fucks with haste

[tall atlas]

just making sure

[gusty mirage]

because there's wisdom in questioning things

to take things at face value is foolish

[junior aurora]

why is the earth flat oxi

[gusty mirage]

because yo momma tripped and flattened it LMAO

[grim jay]

yeah but not that one

[gusty mirage]

I'll see myself out

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-hide-shy-gif-10738562

[junior aurora]

my mothers a nice lady

[earnest remnant]

he didn't say she was a bitch

just that she is a bit chonkers

[gusty mirage]

these orange names are toxic man

smh my head

[runic hinge]

We’ve now gone 0 days without mod abuse

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

@runic hinge might wanna reset it again

[runic hinge]

That actually made me lol

[gusty mirage]

sorry guys I'm stuck in a deposition for the next 2.5 hours

I need to entertain myself

otherwise I'll fall asleep

[earnest remnant]

When you are being mean to me this is who you are being mean to

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/gorila-ligón-gif-15180072019903262289

[woven star]

Got a dumb question, at what point should we pop ashes? As soon as we use KB or wait until the end?

[slate crown]

Use it with deathmark

On deathmark

Or on kingsbane with your deathmark, if you want to just macro it to DM

[thorn fjord]

Multi-speccers help me out here... Should I bullion a Sin dagger or Thorncaller? Trying to figure out what the ratio to fight is between sin/sub and OL

[restive falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-toy-poodle-smiling-dog-gif-14054732649208819886

[woeful meteor]

thorncaller is unique while any dagger words so thorncaller > dagger imo. if you only care about raid I dont think law is significantly ahead on any fight tho, so you can just skip law weapon

[gusty mirage]

thorncaller

[woeful meteor]

but ye dont buy a weapon that isn't thorncaller, feels kinda wasted

[gusty mirage]

you'll compete for thorncaller with DHs, monks, and Enhancement shaman

you won't compete for a dagger with anyone

pretty cut and dry tbh

and if you multispec you're even lower on the priority for it

vs people who'll just use it all the time

[wanton spear]

which M+ build is for fort? dtb or arterial?

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage Good points

ty

[junior aurora]

can run either but you'll probably have more success in lower keys with arterial

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wanton spear]

what do yo consider lower keys? i'm doing 11+

[junior aurora]

lower keys is anything where you can't get your full opener off on a mob to cleave off of

[wanton spear]

aight ty

[grim jay]

lies

monks use rashok 2h

[gusty mirage]

if you don't think monks will still want it

you're high

monks are the melee hunters

everything is a monk weapon

[proven jasper]

So true

[gusty mirage]

isn't that right @hazy geyser

[proven jasper]

had a monk try and steal my dagger last season

[grim jay]

sounds like my heal paladin and shadow, everything is a bis trinket

[proven jasper]

[gusty mirage]

pride tried rolling on an int dagger

when he played his rogue last tier

[proven jasper]

ive 100% done that…

[gusty mirage]

"YO I NEED THAT"

"Pride it's int"

"oh"

[proven jasper]

me ooga booga see high ilvl dagger

Only for it to be int

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

its ok I did that in bfa

I asked for a dagger not realizing its int

and I was like oh

well too late to trade back now

thanks for the 100 gold NERD

[proven jasper]

LMAO

ez cash

[grim jay]

imagine playing monk

dying to the small frogs in halls frog boss

the first ones to spawn that dont get eaten immediately

blaming the tank and leaving

[vestal wren]

rc loot council does let you roll for daggers too even if they are int

its always funny how much people trust in the addon to only show relevant items

[cinder grove]

What level of key is considered high enough for the cleave build to take over in M+ ?

[sick forge]

i guess this is not worth over ashen?

[grim jay]

you could start simming

[normal mist]

Champion 515
Ashes from shop 528

[ivory flower]

12+-, really depends of your mates, if they pump you can be in 13 and not being able to full KB a mob. If mates sucks could be worth in 10. When people will be full gear it will at 15 if I think like s3

[clever sapphire]

if your group is good you can also just do it at 10 already, because they will do the aoe anyways so you jsut go in there for 1-2 mobs and the bosses

[ivory flower]

Try to kb first mobs in HOI lol

[potent raven]

xd

yeah its pathetic

playing no ct because i love pumpinq boss

[clever sapphire]

you mean try to kb any mob besides the dragon?

[stoic bolt]

whats the average kingsbane damage? cant tell if im doing good or not

[royal python]

350k

[copper monolith]

do we only get 1 more bullion this week?
im new so i dont know how it works

[slate crown]

The damage itself is extremely dependent on gear etc.

Just for single target, are you:

1. Using KB After Dance?
2. Maintaining full uptime on Shiv debuff?
3. Maintaining full uptime on Envenom buff?
4. Using Tea for the last 6 seconds of KB?
5. using vanish for the last 3 seconds of KB when using Deathmark with KB?
6. Filling every GCD during KB?

If you're doing all of those things for single target, then that's what you can do to do "good" for KB damage.

The rest is situational optimizations

[digital venture]

Ulduar time walking? Pog!

[clever sapphire]

1 bullion each week

[copper monolith]

so i got one today

so that's it?

[clever sapphire]

if you did the weekly for the 2 bullions you should be at 6

[copper monolith]

yeah i have 3 pieces of gear

[clever sapphire]

then you are up to date

yap

[copper monolith]

so that's 6

do you like that sepsis is going away?

[manic quartz]

yes

never liked the ability :<

im personally looking for the bonespike change, but they really need to change the talents a bit to make it more accesible i think

[proven jasper]

not like it’s relevant anymore anyways really

I think the general consensus is it was nice when it was like all we had but it was over complicated anyway

[slate crown]

With the current KB+Dance gameplay, it doesn't have much of a place and lots of people dislike it

Without KB+Dance, with the Season 2 gameplay, I quite enjoyed it so I'm sad it's not going to be an option moving forward, especially with reduced power in KB being a stated goal of their design philosophy

I think a lot of people have always disliked it

[fallen arch]

Are we getting more of them bullion weekly quests?

[proven jasper]

I never really had a problem with it

I was more indifferent

[slate crown]

Personally I grew to enjoy it in S2 quite a bit, it was awkward to get used to

[proven jasper]

Yeah

[slate crown]

Just wacky to me the decision to leave it on Sub, and not Sin, weird decision unless they're planning some massive change for it with Sub or having it be core to some interaction with deathstalker

[proven jasper]

im still waiting for the day our rupture hits harder than subs

[junior aurora]

could be that sub is not finished iterations yet

and it will be removed in a later build

[balmy condor]

Keep waiting I guess

[proven jasper]

nothing new to me mr whispyr

I mean in theory with bonespike ruptures we’re already a step in that direction

Me happy

[manic quartz]

does sepsis dmg still start high and go lower like in SL ?

[vestal wren]

maybe subtleties ruptue needs a buff

[proven jasper]

Yeah as long as they buff garrote for sin sounds fair to me

[fleet coral]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[lime edge]

I'm assuming most people do beast?

[fleet coral]

made giant

bcz of the cloak

deletes much stamina

[lime edge]

Yea that would make sense

[clever sapphire]

afaik most people do dragon or humanoid

[keen spruce]

critter

only one that actually affects your dps

[lime edge]

Hmm

[balmy condor]

Beast is dogshit

[slate crown]

live your dream of being a horrible murderer ig

[pliant terrace]

I put a weakaura sound in when my KB has 6 and 3 seconds left and it helped out a lot

[slate crown]

It is a way to do it.

[clever sapphire]

i just use the notter kb WA that glows for me when i have to press tea/vanish

[slate crown]

I still use my timeline

[keen spruce]

notter's works if you are already pretty comfy on the timings

and you just want a little queue on the WA

LE's is more comprehensive

and better to learn on

I don't think notter's was designed as a timing assist tool

[slate crown]

I don't really look at it as much anymore, the gcd-by-gcd is pretty ingrained at this point

[keen spruce]

more just a "hey you already fucked up" kind of thing

[slate crown]

it's just nice to glance at when there's fight mechanics going on and such

[keen spruce]

ye just offload some of the cognative pressure

[vestal wren]

the stamina was broken last time i tested

(giant buff from dagger)

[runic hinge]

Yeah I have a Pavlov situation of pressing tea when I hear a clown honk and vanish when I hear a crunch

[keen spruce]

I was toying with the idea

of adding a metronome

when you cast KB

but I ended up just leaving it alone

but a normal rogue UI setup will kind of already track what you need

[hexed willow]

Dragonkin is amazing for the dagger

Who doesn’t like 10% speed

[open dock]

is there a most optimal buff for the dagger?

[keen spruce]

There's all flavor

you could argue that stam, DR, or MS could have throughput impact from survivability or uptime

but that would be a real dumb argument with the numbers we're talkin about

[open dock]

figured

[keen spruce]

just do undead and hang out in the puddles in the pond in valdrekken pretending to be a fish or somethin

[junior aurora]

can just equip ur tuskarr fishing pole instead

you take elemental and stand on the pond instead

[fleet coral]

good broken bad broken ?

xD

[keen spruce]

ig you go elemental last season if you played gnome

so you didn't have to swim in DHT

[magic thorn]

Hey Guys i just simmed myself multiple times for dungeonslice + droptimiser for bullions and the highest simming trinket is nelthariuons call.
Do any of you wear this because on wowhead and whispyrs guide its only b tier.

Here are my sims:
DungeonSlice 8/12 Awakened
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rd9DuWbHohh5gcnUvUeG8L
DungeonSlice 12/12 Awakened
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6bNeP1dQ6aybd6NeTWX3id

[dark token]

nelths and boon are prob the 2 best m+ trinkets so

i guess boon got nerfed so its dreadplate now

[magic thorn]

Boon sims so low. Is this just because it has only 1 usage with dungeon slice ?

[dark token]

i mean dslice doesnt do a optimal boon usage probably

you would only use it on big packs really in actual keys

i bet it uses it on ST if the trinket is off cd for example

but with how high nelth sims id just get that

much better QoL than boon

[junior aurora]

grieftorch ashes

[dark token]

grief/ashes is bis overall setup but this man clearly only cares about keys

[junior aurora]

grieftorch might not sim the highest but it helps give the spec some quick swap burst for stuff like brackenhide totems on final boss

[vestal wren]

broken = you get no hp

[magic thorn]

Since i dont have to i will literally never see the raid again

cba doing content with 20 clowns

[junior aurora]

? just make friends and run content with them

[magic thorn]

yeah m+ 😄

[quiet oar]

With 20 clowns

[junior aurora]

can have more than 4 friends lol

[quiet oar]

So you consider yourself one

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[magic thorn]

100% clown here

@vestal wren In your spreadsheet, how do you determine what is the best trinket and gear combo.
Because your sim says the best is Omni + Boon and talents without double shiv.
Do you just sim so long until you figure out the simulated max dps ?

[dark token]

he just does a quick best effort for bis gear

[hazy geyser]

Yup because monk was so good it got most of its damage from item procs not stats like a normal spec should

[dark token]

and a bunch of talent comparisons

[clever sapphire]

damn this is a cursed BiS dslice talent build

[magic thorn]

yeah thats what im saying

[clever sapphire]

well top dps sim it is

because iw doesnt give dps technically

[magic thorn]

This sims for max dps but isnt really useable for dungeons

[vestal wren]

its just a reference, you should always use your own simulations over it

[clever sapphire]

dunno about the other talents, i dont do sims

[balmy condor]

turns out maxing out your dungeonslice simdps maybe isn't a great idea

who knew

[dark token]

as soon as u take iron wire it gets better

[clever sapphire]

but DAAAAAd how am i gonna beat the shadowpriest otherwise

[vestal wren]

wasn't there a wip apl

[dark token]

+100% dmg buff

then u will only be 10% dps behind them

[vestal wren]

maybe talent builds would change using it

[balmy condor]

yeah there's a couple changes that I need to review

but its not really an apl issue

it's just dungeonslice being dogshit compared to what people care about in keys

[vestal wren]

fair

[magic thorn]

Is there maybe a better way to sim M+ then instead of dungeonslice? Because i still dont trust my sim to buy neltharions

[clever sapphire]

grieftorch and ashes is da way to go

wait i just realised that the "bis" food is not the mainstat thingy anymore

since when has that been this way

[balmy condor]

there isn't

you just gotta interpret the results yourself and make a decision

[quiet oar]

S3

[magic thorn]

Seems like im simming again then until i like the result

[clever sapphire]

so you wanna tell me i have been using the wrong food for a whole season

[vestal wren]

food impact is rly low tho

[quiet oar]

Yes

[vestal wren]

dungeon slice is good for gearing in general, what was discussed was more spezialised talent setups

[clever sapphire]

i mean if its cheaper than what i have been buying its big impact

[quiet oar]

I mean thats whst you have in common with bonespike, it takes a long time for you to get a point

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[clever sapphire]

long and taking time is something pretty good, or so i heard

[quiet oar]

I mean you have to be first

To win

[royal lantern]

huh

im using mainstant all the time

[runic hinge]

Same

[clever sapphire]

i was checking out whats all on fuu's sheet and it didnt show the mainstat food

and turns out, neither does wowhead

[royal lantern]

tbf

its food

[junior aurora]

gonna keep using mainstat food tyvm

[royal lantern]

yeee

[clever sapphire]

im just gonna buy the one thats cheaper

[keen spruce]

Min maxing your decision making is going to be 10000x more impactful than your gear and stat min maxing

[junior aurora]

esp now that i just replaced flavor pocket ring with eranog ring lol

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-frank-can-i-offer-you-a-nice-egg-in-this-trying-time-gif-13802522

[quiet oar]

A self laid egg?

[keen spruce]

[agile osprey]

[spice spire]

Mf too horny for chat I swear

[keen spruce]

Yellow names

[clever sapphire]

this aint a no tho

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

thats a specific kink, ngl

[quiet oar]

??

He is duck???

[spice spire]

Man tryna get his eggs nah

[quiet oar]

You guys dont eat boiled eggs?

??

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-dancing-duck-walk-away-gif-21526535

[spice spire]

Not the homie’s

[quiet oar]

Well, i need the proteins

And if He can Provide a egg than i can boil

Why let it rot???

[spice spire]

U right

[keen spruce]

Mans tryna put his mouth on my eggs

[runic hinge]

Sims say dagger is 10k dps and I don’t raid mythic. Do I buy something else anyways

[quiet oar]

[thorn fjord]

I'll take a rum ham plz and ty

[runic hinge]

Actually

I’ll do a spinner later

[keen spruce]

You go practice your short game

[runic hinge]

For next bullion

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

Thursday maybe

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/golf-kid-golf-flip-off-fail-gif-19435864

[runic hinge]

Yeah my balance was so bad Sunday

Maybe Thursday I get up early early and hit a couple large buckets

[keen spruce]

No bucket

Only chip

Till your lower back gives out

Then small bucket

[runic hinge]

I need to work on a lot more than just chipping. Maybe that can be Saturday

[past bobcat]

We using ashes with DM?

[royal lantern]

dm or kingsbane

doenst make a difference

[keen spruce]

50yd -> green most important

[cursive frost]

debating between buying sark cloak or eranog ring this week, sark cloak sims higher but seems cringe for mythic raiding

[clever sapphire]

sark cloak is "better" in raiding than its in m+

just get ring

no need to worry about random stat proc thats gonna happen during your downtime

[royal lantern]

how often do you survive a raid dmg event with ~1-2% hp and CD allready used up

if the answer is "all the time", dont use sark cloak

[keen spruce]

A lot in my+ almost never in raid

[royal lantern]

almost as if m+ is a barely balanced shitshow and relies on 1hit kills and people cheesing them with immunitys and cancles huh?

[cursive frost]

thank you for the input really no bad options

[keen spruce]

If you’re gonna push high keys just take ring

[restive falcon]

man i really wanna buy diurna's ring but sims r saying sark cloak

[keen spruce]

It doesn’t rly matter though

[clever sapphire]

feck cloak

[restive falcon]

i even swapped my crafted pieces to have less mastery and sark cloak still better

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/szNEQQ7ud377fBYAtNcNp6

[keen spruce]

Dark cloak lots of stats

Sark

[restive falcon]

maybe i have to much mastery

i bought ashes today cause vault was ass and it was gonna be "buy diruna ring, then buy sark cloak after"

but maybe i just swap and buy sark cloak today and get diruna after

[clever sapphire]

i dont think im ever buying sark cloak

[royal lantern]

i forgot that sark cloak is a thing AND that i can buy it this week lol

[clever sapphire]

i will buy echo trinket before buying sark cloak

[quiet junco]

is torches fire damage enough for ring?

[clever sapphire]

its the head enchant

[keen spruce]

I mean we used dark cloak through most of season 2 even in reasonably high keys

Sark

Fkin iPhone

[restive falcon]

auto correct

i want diruna ring to be tankier but sark cloak for more dam

[keen spruce]

It’s fine, but I think people just put a premium on stam since season 3

Cuz of how one shotty things got

[clever sapphire]

lucky me, sark cloak is my 2nd worst option thats still a dps upgrade

so i wont have to even think about it

[keen spruce]

Stam is nice and your damage is gonna depend way more on your gameplay

Than a back rag

[restive falcon]

i prob just say fuck it and buy cloak and get diruna ring in 2 weeks

i will be farming mop anyway for mounts/tmog so im pretty much bis out beisdes that

i also play sub but i cba on doing another sim on the ring/cloak

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

I have a zit in my other ear now

I think it’s these earbuds I work out in

[shy pecan]

Ouch, sounds painful

[keen spruce]

I just got over one in my right ear

[spice spire]

Did you get kicked on a meme?

[shy pecan]

Wut

[spice spire]

You have a new member role

[shy pecan]

Oh. Nah, I was checking out the roles channel because I hadn’t seen it before. Then clicked on one of them and it gave me a new member role. But it doesn’t remove the new member role

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

I blame you for not fixing this

Fix it

[runic hinge]

I have to get within 50 first

[keen spruce]

Goal is the hole

Start there then work out

[hexed willow]

damn myth tier gloves or haste/mastery myth neck

love good decisions

[oblique jackal]

i got myth helm

big sad

[split jewel]

champion nick of time dropped

[runic hinge]

Helm enchant scales with ilvl so it’s actually good

[lime edge]

isnt this good for the proc rings

[subtle crown]

Can anyone tell me the benefit of BSL on 2 crafted peices over Toxic Boots and a tox armor peice? Currently simming it and just a minimum increase of 0.1%. Idc about super min/maxing but am generally curious as it could change my vault selection this week

[runic hinge]

It doesn’t usually sim higher than double BSL and just having the helm enchant proc the ring

It’s also worse in aoe because you won’t be close enough to hit all the mobs with it

[runic hinge]

It is a very small difference and better BSL uptime can be better but if you don’t trust your healers than boots/patch can be more consistent

Certain fights with a lot of rot damage will make BSL worse but you typically wanna look at your burst windows and your hp in that time to decide if you’ll get high enough uptime

[lime edge]

i see

[runic hinge]

There’s a setting to sim up time in the sim settings so you can play around and see the differences

[subtle crown]

Gotcha

[subtle crown]

How often would you say BSL is usually up in your experience?

[lime edge]

i dropped this in raid, should i still bullions ashes

[normal mist]

500 something VS 528

HMMMM

[lime edge]

[normal mist]

[rotund oak]

i think it only worths from normal or heroic

u should sim and u will have ur asnwer

[runic hinge]

I’m my healers favorite so I get pretty high up time lmaooo depends on what content and fights you mean tho

[subtle crown]

Let's say a general pug

[runic hinge]

Like smolderon I get like 40% but fyrakk I get closer to 50

[tall jay]

What is the build we use for broodkeeper and raz?

[royal lantern]

very often

you are full hp most of the time in wow

~50% in your normal shity pug group can be seen as a benchmark imo

[split jewel]

is Gear Compare on Raid Bots no good?

They marked it as Legacy alongside Stat Weights

[somber sparrow]

i mean ideally you use top gear, but i have on occasion looked at individual items before on gear compare.

[subtle crown]

That's what I was wondering as that is the usually worst case scenario. Thankfully I run mostly with guild and do not normally have to worry about the healing but wanted the pros and cons of each. Thank you lol

[balmy condor]

its just worse droptimizer/top gear functionally

[glossy lagoon]

is it worth it to swap to assasin if i just raid?

[balmy condor]

thats where it shines

[split jewel]

I honestly didn't see the bullion option in droptimizer

[subtle crown]

Does anyone know if Ashes could work well in a macro with KB? Currently using Ashes and MG and was trying to see where I could declutter my action bars

[balmy condor]

thats recommended ye

[subtle crown]

Thank God lol

[real pike]

hey guys nooby question once again...what is the difference between a holy and shadow PI, and then what is the best time for us to be PI'd? on the GCD before KB?

[balmy condor]

shadow uses their PI rotationally so they get upset when they have to time it to you

holy/disc doesn't use PI unless they have a target to use it on so they don't care when you ask for it

the norm is that they have a weakaura that tells them to pi when they get whispered

like my priests keyword is "pi me"

so in my deathmark/potion macro, I have a line that says /w Mayceia pi me

and when I press dm

it whispers

they get the pop up

I get pi

everyone happy

[real pike]

yeah I saw in wowhead you have the macro so I was wondering where in my open it should go

like if the macro is on DM I suppose in theory it arrives before KB lands

so no damage lost

provided el priesto has the wa set up

[balmy condor]

I think you're way overthinking this

it's not that deep

[real pike]

it's what I do 🙂

but cool and makes sense with the shadow thing

tyty

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

That's how it always starts.

[real pike]

ha

on a slippery slope with a cruel fate awaiting

[rough moss]

Ok so first time armidrassil nm with approximative knowledge of the Strats, getting full blue ilv parse, no head enchant, no embellishment, pretty happy with it, a big room for improvement

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-gif-3876576500302312660

[dark token]

How diurna ring gapping so hard over eranog

[past bobcat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[wanton spear]

sigh, week 4 no dagger from hm sad panda

[split jewel]

M+ bleed build is nice on council this week

[trail karma]

whats the build for fortifed this week guys

[oblique jackal]

^ this

[dark token]

Same build as always

Nothing changes since s3

[oblique jackal]

what the build?

bc sudden demise is doing meh dmg

[junior aurora]

sudden demise amps all your bleeds by 10% wdym

the execute is just extra

[dark token]

Hybrid build high keys, AP shock low keys

That's been fort classic since s3

Low as in below 13-15 or so

You should be able to get a full dm + kingsbane on a trash mob

Before you play kingsbane based builds

[oblique jackal]

wait so low keys are 13 and below

[keen spruce]

when you're talking about switching off of arterial shock

yes

you need a compelling reason to not play AP

[silk bane]

ill give you a compelling reason to not play AP

no AP in subtelty

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/bestie-besties-so-true-so-true-bestie-kirby-gif-25485425

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-me-kiss-you-married-lovers-lover-gif-1357616782466217986

[keen spruce]

my compelling reason is because I don't play WoW

[silk bane]

nah youre real for that ngl

im 2 more stealthi posts away from going full time lost ark

[fresh kelp]

Hrm spend bullion on a dagger or eranog ring?

[obsidian walrus]

man i wish theyd fix the bug on rogue logs

[slate crown]

I think you're in the wrong channel

[runic hinge]

Get a room

[silk bane]

got one

wanna come ?

[runic hinge]

Yeah sure I’m in

[silk bane]

oh shit! shmeeps hop in too

[spice spire]

Mfs tryna be me so bad

[silk bane]

bro think hes not invited

[spice spire]

Say less king in a @deft sluice voice

[true condor]

oh night night quake lord

[spice spire]

Gn mister reality I hope you’ve a glorious day king

[true condor]

they said the sun is sendin explosion energy to earth now which made us sleepless

[runic hinge]

The northern lights

[keen spruce]

why be nappin when you could be yappin

[paper blaze]

we use 2BSL or the toxic boots with the patch?

[woeful meteor]

2x bsl

[past bobcat]

does shadow priest pi suck if they dont hold for us

[high jetty]

NoK 2nd boss buff, Bless you.

1.4m KB tick lol

[plain flower]

I hve the helm enchant but never see it doing anything

Does it not stack on flaring cowl?

[ornate aspen]

Any idea what is going on here? Im farming Ny'alotha

[woeful meteor]

did you reach p2?

sanguine is kinda weird when it comes to dmg amp phases

[ornate aspen]

Its like this on every mob in here

trash and bosses

[woeful meteor]

then just some bugged scaling on low lvl mobs

[ornate aspen]

Well neat, wasn't like this last week so we have an easy mode transmog farm now

[fresh kelp]

stick w/ Ashes + Grieftorch for M+ or go Ashes + Boon?

[balmy condor]

What do you mean by “never doing anything”

[balmy condor]

Boon is basically just giga aoe on demand, grief is more consistent/general

[plain flower]

Never see it on details

[balmy condor]

[plain flower]

[balmy condor]

You don’t see a “flaying torment”

Or “scorching torment”

[plain flower]

Never

[balmy condor]

I do not believe you

[woeful meteor]

screenshot head

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Send pics

[plain flower]

Afk

Ill post later

I have flaring cowl which makes me think i was bugged

[balmy condor]

Idk how that would work

[gilded oasis]

maybe his eyes have been closed

[honest goblet]

just coming back after a long break. after messing around in normal and some heroic dungeons im loving assassination.. i dont see alot of representation for them in higher keys.. as someone looking to play around the KSH level will i be ok as assassination?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[keen spruce]

ye

[runic hinge]

Yes. You can definitely get ksh as assa

[keen spruce]

it only starts to disappear at like... 2-3 levels below rank 1 keys

normally

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[honest goblet]

oh ok so im chillin!

[silk bane]

more like 5 right now but yea

[balmy condor]

M+ meta is defined by the top 50-100 groups

[keen spruce]

same same

[junior aurora]

yeah the st is rough

[balmy condor]

And everyone just copy pastes them regardless of how much sense it makes

[silk bane]

I am actually cooking together a sin comp

with aug and sp

Ill represent sin

trust

then whispyr will love me

[balmy condor]

Uh huh

[silk bane]

nah i actually am

going vers mast though

cuz i cant live shit as sin

[still pewter]

Ulduar trinkets any good?

[runic hinge]

What about enhance and disc

[honest goblet]

is there a good guide for a new sin player? as far as stats/bullion buys/bis etc...?

[runic hinge]

Instead of shadow and rdruid

The faq has a link to the wowhead guide where you can find all that

[silk bane]

disc is not it

[balmy condor]

No

[silk bane]

most likely holy if u want a healre priest

[runic hinge]

Okay holy then

[silk bane]

the thing is if u bring enhance and youre sin

[runic hinge]

Idk if wft is actually worth in keys

[silk bane]

nothings gonna die

youre both capped

and do 0 aoe

compared to something like spriest

[keen spruce]

i don't think they even take wft

[still pewter]

Forever torching to ashes

[balmy condor]

When in doubt, live laugh love wowhead

[keen spruce]

you just take aug spriest

probably

[silk bane]

i amde mine take it last season

[keen spruce]

and a real healer

[silk bane]

but i was also sub

and coped him into taking it

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

Ulduar is timewalking

Even if something were to be good from it

[junior aurora]

very hard for them to take wft in keys

[balmy condor]

They’d nuke it

It’s the cycle of timewalking life

Find something that might be good -> nerfed into the ground

[silk bane]

thank god for it though

[balmy condor]

Cause they VERY MUCH don’t want anything from timewalking being competitive

[silk bane]

imagine if some shit was super bis from there and you wer elike welp, missed my 1 chance gg

[woeful meteor]

blazefury medallion

even worse than timewalking

[balmy condor]

Outlaw doesn’t count

Also ain’t even good for them right

[woeful meteor]

it's like .2 behind 528 volc neck

[balmy condor]

No wonder they’re buffing mastery and haste

[drifting cloud]

perfectly balanced then

[balmy condor]

What a shit spec

[woeful meteor]

law walking into 11.0 raid with haste+mastery and 0 vers is gonna be a sight to behold

[proud dust]

when starting another envenom chain, how much energy should be pooled to start a new one?

[balmy condor]

80%

[proud dust]

ty

trying to not drop it on diurna but swirlies are against me

[honest goblet]

@balmy condor which spec would you suggest for lower level m+ while i relearn the spec/class?

[balmy condor]

Whatever you think is most interesting friend

They all play pretty differently

[honest goblet]

so so sorry mistype

i meant talent build

idk what i was thinking lol

[balmy condor]

Oh just take the shock one

Full bleed

There’s not a lot of gameplay differences between them

It’s mostly where the damage is placed

Anything with dragon tempered blades will be kingsbane-heavy

And that’s doomed for low keys

Cause nothing is gonna survive that long

[honest goblet]

ok thanks

[woeful meteor]

[shy pecan]

[amber fossil]

some tough bullion choices now, think I will just bank em for a bit

seems like a waste to spend them on a neck right now

[fallen ginkgo]

Buying ashes most likely this week with it

[amber fossil]

that was the first thing I bought

[shell totem]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raw cedar]

Hey guys, during keys i keep getting nocked out of stealth for no apparent reason. This is my gear. is the Back causing it?

[hoary remnant]

!stealth

[hoary remnant]

It's the cloak

[runic hinge]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evokers proccing the legendary weapon on you
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[runic hinge]

It’s the cloak tho

[hoary remnant]

Cloak is very meh. If you get it from vault you can catalyst it or if it drops from raid. Not from bullions.

[clever sapphire]

Dont question my gear, i dont know either

[jaunty lotus]

I keep getting knocked out of stealth without the cloak, something is weird

Oh we had a mistweaver

[quiet oar]

Prolly depends on when it uses Boon

[ashen oriole]

where do we get those boots from ? https://www.wowhead.com/item=207238/lucid-shadewalkers-sollerets?class=4&ilvl=528&spec=259

isnt that s3 catalyst?

[quiet oar]

jep

[ashen oriole]

so unobtainable or what?

on that ilvl

[quiet oar]

Yes

[ashen oriole]

how come it is in the bis sims ?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet oar]

good question

Prolly a mistake

[grim jay]

Shouldnt care about what non-effect items are in there anyways

[dark quiver]

lol how much of my dmg should be CT? i feel like i forget to press it sometimes

[royal lantern]

depeends on dungeon and pulls

but higher

[dark quiver]

this a 12 NO btw

[clever sapphire]

top 5 i'd say

[keen zenith]

Hi all,
Does anyone know whether Neltharion trinket procs from either Eranog Ring or Flaring cowl (or both)? Sorry if this has been answered before, could not find it.

[quiet oar]

huh?

Oh i see

I dont think that matters

for the uptime

Its just RNG

[balmy condor]

cantrips don't count towards rppm

but yeah

doesn't matter

cause you're going to saturate the rppm of every trinket in the game like 300 times over just with auto attacks

[keen zenith]

I see, thanks both! So is there some way to actually boost uptime of Nel trinket? I have seen Sims giving more value to Haste with Nel trinket equipped, but Sin rogue stat distribution generally feels like a leaf in the wind, so could just be a coincidence.

[quiet oar]

Its just RNG

You can get up to 50%

or 5%

Its all up to RNGsus

[normal mist]

For a second I thought you were talking about DnD

[balmy condor]

idk why it would be giving more value to haste

that seems like just a coincidence

call to suffering isn't hasted

it's a flat 1 rppm

nothing to do about it

it just procs

sometimes trinket proc rates are increased by haste

like signet brand for example will proc more with haste

call to suffering is not that

[normal mist]

Whispyr do you like / play / listen to DnD?

[balmy condor]

no

[normal mist]

(it's pretty good if you have the right friends)

((or in my case, I have no friends, I just listen to podcasts))

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hello-darkness-kermit-my-old-friend-drm-gif-9482307

[normal mist]

Having no friends > having shit friends

[runic hinge]

My friends have asked me to dnd with them a few times. I just don’t wanna dedicate the time when I could be playing wow instead

[gusty oak]

question @balmy condor should i craft neck or bracer? im still using old neck lol but my bracer pretty decent

[balmy condor]

yes

either

both

[normal mist]

Yes

[normal mist]

You might have answered your own question

[balmy condor]

as long as you have double bsl I don't really know or care what you craft

if it's not bsl gear you'll either replace it with max ilvl mythic gear

or you won't

idk what your situation is

[gusty oak]

ok"

[normal mist]

You should try it my man, go do a session or two with them

[quiet oar]

What if, you played a WoW DND?

[runic hinge]

They play on weekdays when I’m working but the open invite is there

[quiet oar]

So they are basically polite to invite you

But know you cant anyways

[royal lantern]

biggest L i saw yet wtf

[runic hinge]

I might play if I knew I could dedicate the time for it

But I don’t wanna show up for one or two sessions and then bail or only show up when it’s convenient

So I just don’t commit instead

(In the past)

Currently my work schedule is just wack af

[normal mist]

Meanwhile I bought the DnD starting pack 2 years ago and was struck by the cold truth...
I have no one to play with

But hey it is there

[quiet oar]

Just do it like normal people

Use your other personalities and play with yourself

Everyone does this

right?

[normal mist]

... and play with yourself

[marsh zinc]

Quote "everyone does this"

Tindral neck is bis right?

How good is the nokhud neck in comparison?

[grim jay]

You can either compare them at max ilvl by looking at both

Or just sim both

[marsh zinc]

Yeah

[quiet oar]

[marsh zinc]

Do we play both rings or is crafting one a good idea?

[pseudo hamlet]

I'd rather play with both rings. One has high ilvl and another has bonus damage.

But it obviously depends on the rest of your gear of course.

[marsh zinc]

Well my gear xD

I started playing 4 days ago

[short wyvern]

Noticed on wowheads weekly raid dps rankings that assassin climbed 18 steps up the ladder from week 2 to week 3.. did something happen that i have missed?

[grim jay]

If you missed the buffs then probably

[visual hemlock]

Sub has bugs then people came back to assa

[pseudo hamlet]

Then it's best to sim your own gear 😄

[glacial relic]

the sark cloak still breaks stealth?

[normal mist]

In theory BiS gear uses both rings

[glacial relic]

ah nvm I found it here 🙂

[brazen vale]

i have a champ GT think its worth spending a coin to buy the awaken or a diff item and hope for vault/raid

[marsh zinc]

@pseudo hamlet If I catch up on those 400 crests Ill be at 518ish or higher I guess

!Stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evokers proccing the legendary weapon on you
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[digital pollen]

so i got a question regarding plater. is it possible to not show nameplates of specific mobs as long as there are other mobs in combat with you? e.g. academy first pull, dont show nameplates of the small flowers until all the big ones/flying things are dead (i know this would probably never be the case in academy but thats why its an example regarding the mobtype im talking about) i want to prioritize dotting the "relevant" mobs and the 7 billion nameplates make that quite hard. but i also dont want to simply disable these plates (or make them smaller) if, for some reason, they live longer than the prio mobs.

[marsh zinc]

Wasn't there a hide guardians button or something like that?

But u can always look up the mob itself and alter the nameplate of that specific mob

[digital pollen]

well yes. i know that i can alter the nameplates, but that isnt what i want. thank you tho 🙂

[grim jay]

I mean you can potentially make them smaller and a different color

Which would somewhat help your case

[digital pollen]

yes and i wrote that i dont want to do that, cause that doesnt help with 7 billion nameplates in academy

7 billion small plates are still 7 billion

thought it might be possible cause we also have the "#sstorm" wa made by fuu which checks the current mobcount. and that would be a huge qol improvement for me

[grim jay]

Idk, it definitely does help, no matter how you look at it.
Conditional hiding is probably not possible, just permanent hiding by Mob ID

Or Mob type

Like critters

[digital pollen]

yeah thats what i thought.

thank you as well 🙂

[clever sapphire]

guys a random SP gave me PI, im scared

[quiet oar]

I hope

You cancelaured the PI

If not

get cheked for STD

immediately

[potent raven]

lmaooooooooooooo

[clever sapphire]

i only saw it after the fight

it was normal terros so i was just pressing the rota and lookin at videos

what do i do now

[quiet oar]

Quickly get checked

[clever sapphire]

just gonna delete my rogue

[quiet oar]

Go to your doctor

[clever sapphire]

just in case

[rotund oak]

thats some next lvl sexual depression

[balmy condor]

7-8% worth of buffs I guess

wait

where the fuck am I

fucking discord

just jumped me

[rotund oak]

yo ok man?

[balmy condor]

does that not happen to you

you tab into discord

and then you just start talking

and it zips you to the bottom of the channel

because for some reason

you tabbed into a convo from 6 hours ago

[rotund oak]

oh lol all the time

[balmy condor]

great app this is

[fast stag]

hello rascals! quick question, I have my two ingots and obviously like many I don't want to make a mistake.. I did a raidbots to see which item would be most beneficial to me. I was already hesitating between a ring or the cruel dream cut dagger. Should I take the ring or something else? Thanks in advance !

[balmy condor]

would probably just wait and see if you get ring from raid this week

if you don't, take the ring

[fast stag]

I have already done the raid without a ring..

ty 😉

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[rigid sphinx]

@balmy condor what you think about that build, Kush playing with in M+ atm

[balmy condor]

pretty standard idk

just a regular acro tree

[rigid sphinx]

Oh i see thought Alacrity was main talent mb

[balmy condor]

tricks over blackjack I guess is weird cause tricks is worthless

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it is

but if you want to take acro, that's the tree you take

and apparently he wants to take acro

[rigid sphinx]

Okay thanks

[drifting cloud]

kush playing assa? must be down bad

[balmy condor]

I played that same tree with cheat death for all of farm

[balmy condor]

he's either cooked or cooking

playing assa in m+ is probably the former

need sappucino's #1 top unbiased opinion on this matter

[marsh zinc]

Isn't it the most satisfying thing in this beautiful planet when u set up your burst just for that one in a million Arcane mage to focus the same target

Just plain beautiful

[balmy condor]

that's why you desync from group cds

[royal lantern]

first pull=dont use cds

throw out a grieftorch of boon or w/e trinket you use maybe

the paladin will faceroll for 3000million dps anyway

[marsh zinc]

Truuu

[midnight atlas]

tricks aint bad with good group, you can sprint and pull for tank when tank cannot

[marsh zinc]

I have a Theory

I just mark the main target with skull

Historically it should live longest then

[balmy condor]

yeah that's pretty niche though how many times can you actually use that

and in those situations, how many times does it have to be a rogue

and not just like

the priest pulling from across the ocean

just a 90000 kilometer laser beam from the other end of the dungeon

[midnight atlas]

or tricks someone else, ninja pull and get them killed, 90% of the players wont know what happened

but yeah, blackjack is dope with aoe blind

[marsh zinc]

On top you get a gt reset

[quiet oar]

If kush keeps playing it, He sappu will be here in no time

[balmy condor]

okay but hear me out okay

we convince kush to do a subathon

never turn off the stream

and then sappu needs to simp 24/7

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

cannot leave the stream

MUST watch

and then he just

never shows up

cause he's perma stuck glued to twitch

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

unable to take the balls out of his mouth

[balmy condor]

anyway, I think tricks and misdirect could be cool

they just need to inherit the tank aggro multiplier

[junior aurora]

make tricks work on trickster instead of feint

it writes itself

[marsh zinc]

Is rogue the only spec that can drop time ways dagger?

[quiet oar]

Yes

[balmy condor]

rogue is the only class that can drop any dagger at all

[junior aurora]

agi dagger*

clothies can get int dagger drops

[balmy condor]

okay smartass

[marsh zinc]

Druid can maybe I think

[balmy condor]

they cannot

[junior aurora]

nope

[balmy condor]

only int dagger

[marsh zinc]

Wasn't the artifact weapon a dagger

[balmy condor]

it was

[junior aurora]

they dont dual wield lol

i dont even think they can?

the artifact weapon broke the rules for em

[quiet oar]

No they cant

It was only artifact

[marsh zinc]

So I need some rogues that already have it and still go doti

Sounds not very likely

[quiet oar]

Correct

[balmy condor]

the legion artifact was a dagger for feral druid, which then can equip, but they cannot drop agi daggers

it's a weird breaking

of the norm

[subtle tundra]

joined kush's stream to see the priest not PI him

aahhhhhhhhhhh

(the pi was going on tank)

[balmy condor]

you don't see the vision varas

you don't get the strat

the sheer genius

[quiet oar]

Because you had one artifact weapon

[sharp viper]

!oce

[quiet oar]

But it counted as two

Same for rogue weapons

[sharp viper]

err, what was the command for the oce simming stuff?

[subtle tundra]

he is also flaming his team in a pug

thats so much me

[balmy condor]

[midnight atlas]

what is oce simming stuff?

[quiet oar]

#tc-research message

Beep boop

[balmy condor]

o c dn

[quiet oar]

[junior aurora]

idk why simming would be different in australia vaeira

[sharp viper]

you put the shrimps on the barbie and everything changes

cant

[junior aurora]

last time i put my shrimp on the barbie i got banned from the daycare

[balmy condor]

[sharp viper]

probably not the place to be for a 38yo man not even working there

[quiet oar]

[sharp viper]

[tepid glacier]

[junior aurora]

[royal lantern]

dont forget, it was 2 daggers

druids cant dualwield

artifacts where just Special in general

[balmy condor]

incorrect, it was 1 dagger

kingsbane was also 1 dagger

[quiet oar]

Jep

[royal lantern]

yeha wait, 2x was guardian

[quiet oar]

It was just duped

[balmy condor]

no

guardian was also 1

there was no dual artifacts

[quiet oar]

Blizzard cheated

[royal lantern]

whisp ich schwöre

[balmy condor]

any dual-weapon artifact was 1 single item

that duplicated itself

but there exists no spec with 2 physical weapons

[quiet oar]

[sharp viper]

none of the weapons are physical

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[quiet oar]

You know whats physical

[balmy condor]

unrelated, did you know that in some cultures castration is legal

[quiet oar]

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/flirt-wink-eyebrows-milhouse-the-simpsons-gif-5751664

are you offering?

[balmy condor]

no

I am not a licensed medical professional who could offer such a service

nor is it legal in my country

[sharp viper]

[junior aurora]

its cheaper if you arent licensed

[balmy condor]

I am a follower of all laws

[royal lantern]

and thats why outlaw is bad?

[balmy condor]

precisely

[royal lantern]

[sharp viper]

what about in-laws?

[balmy condor]

those suck too

[junior aurora]

if they sucked they wouldnt be able to be in-laws

[cloud basin]

Is that cloak worth getting at all?

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of worth

if you want max damage, then yeah it's the best cloak

if you think breaking stealth sometimes isn't worth the damage increase

then it's not worth

if you care about the stamina

then it's not worth

[junior aurora]

yeah if you break stealth its a dps loss your dmg in keys goes to 0

[cloud basin]

I guess at this point I'm looking to inch out a few more dps. Trying to raise my rank on warcraft logs😂

[balmy condor]

well then it's more dps

so sounds worth

won't really help your ranking much

but ya know

at least you can feel better

gear is pretty irrelevant for parsing

most of the time it's just the strat, ability to pad, kill time

[royal lantern]

number higher = the depression voice is a bit more quiet

[sharp viper]

annoying your healers might also be considered worth

[tepid glacier]

What if your healers flame you in raid

[cloud basin]

I mean if my group would put me with buff specs we have I'm sure I could inch out some more dps

[balmy condor]

probably deserved

[balmy condor]

do you have windfury and pi?

[cloud basin]

Windfury, pi, and 2 augvokers

[balmy condor]

okay well the augvokers don't matter

just have good kill time and good rng

[tepid glacier]

[balmy condor]

pad out of your mind

gg

[quiet oar]

Press you god damn feint

And finish your food

Clean up your room

And got to School already

[sharp viper]

just tell your raid to go full single target so you can get giga cleave

[tepid glacier]

they flame me in m+ cuz i stress them out

using feint on every mechanic so i keep uptime

[quiet oar]

I See practicing for tww

[tepid glacier]

I will be healerless in tww

at this rate

[fringe mirage]

can see Fire shit on the ground and counsill any one have this prob too?

[cloud basin]

What's funny is on our terros kill last night I forgot to swap off of Spatter, and still pulled a 99😂

[tepid glacier]

[sharp viper]

wrong spec channel though if that's the case - #assassination only endorses gambling

[quiet oar]

Gamble dn

[rough moss]

hello guys, does anyone have the macro to ambush instead of mutilate when there is a proc/sd/subterfuge ?

[tulip stratus]

u can have them on one button

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tgn1-zombie-orpheus-onward-the-gamers-harper-gif-17195840

[tulip stratus]

mutilate will become ambush when applicable

[cloud basin]

Mine swaps yeah, and then in stealth I have ambush on my bars

[balmy condor]

should just be

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0] mutilate
/cast ambush

I would think

but yeah

can just put it on your stealth bar

and call it a day

[midnight atlas]

i would say there's a workaround for it but i dont want to get kicked from this discord for not being PC

[balmy condor]

smart choice

[sharp viper]

international waters

[tall atlas]

is ashes worth the bullions over Fragment

[junior aurora]

easily

[rotund oak]

fuk ye

[balmy condor]

fragment sucks

[agile wedge]

wait, the weekly is not giving a fix boullion?

[rough moss]

works perfectly, thanks !

[tall atlas]

did you not get your bulion either

[junior aurora]

the timewalking one doesnt give bullions