assassination

[gusty mirage]

BUT MY SIM DPS

Every boss is a five minute (ackshually averaged between 100000 4-6 minute pulls) patchwerk with zero mechanics

And everything you say otherwise is a lie

[rotund oak]

Just BM hunter bro

u can 420 any mechanic and pump

[primal jolt]

i just rerolled to survival

[spice surge]

And every single class and spec has modelled the game perfectly in simc

[rotund oak]

also cool

[gusty mirage]

True

Surely reverse engineering in game mechanics is perfect and completely human error free

[royal lantern]

some would say everyone has simc in perfect BALANCE

(get it, cus balance druid updates and stuff)

[modest spindle]

no clue where to ask this, can anyone help me where I can find Image of Kalec? (for Balance of Power questline to unlock legion artifact appearence), i looked up on wiki but can't figure it out, i just finished class hall campaign, i read on wowhead that "image of kalec spawns in your class order hall after a few days after finishing the campaign" but idk if that's still the case

[limber lion]

Hmm no clue. Can't remember as it's been years. Sorry. Maybe ask in #wow-general

[modest spindle]

ok ty

[lusty mountain]

bois, is it ok to go ashes+irideus for m+?

[dark token]

For sin? Not that good

Sim it

[normal mist]

Try log in log out, do a skirmish arena, go in and out of the zone, join a bg

[modest spindle]

where should i find him then? is he in a obvious spot in my class hall?

[normal mist]

He's right next the legion weapon stand

Atleast For rogues

[lusty mountain]

yeah, gonna sim ty

[normal mist]

You use ashes with the DMs, irideus by itself is pretty poop

The idea about the on use trinket is to bolster our cds

[modest spindle]

ok ty, and do you know if he still takes couple of days after completing class hall campaign to spawn? or was that removed

[spice surge]

Irideus is fine, you just treat it like a 4 min trinket

[normal mist]

On solo dances

[spice surge]

Obviously ashes is better

[normal mist]

I can't quite remember it, sorry brother :c
Just keep checking the order hall once in a while

[modest spindle]

thanks very much

[amber stream]

Yo peeps, need an advice. Week 1, I crafted Toxic Footwraps, as I thought it would be better, shall I proceed with the patch, or just go with BSL now?

[junior aurora]

bsl

[true condor]

Brothers i have a question

could we macro Dance with beautiful kingsbane

[clever sapphire]

yap many people do it

just make sure kb is after danc

dance*

[gusty mirage]

your patch item can be swapped to BSL later

what I'd personally do (if gold isn't an issue) is craft the patch until you can make your 2nd bsl item

then swap

then when you get third spark, craft a 2nd BSL item and recraft the patch to bsl

[junior aurora]

can also just sim it

[gusty mirage]

I'm iffy to tell people to sim embellished gear because it's kind of a pain in the ass w/o gear compare or adding items to top gear

[junior aurora]

fair

at the end of the day, either option you decide to go with will be within 1-2% of each other and not be super noticeable

[gusty mirage]

which btw it's been an entire expac

can we get a better interface for that shit on raidbots already?

[junior aurora]

yeah like an option in the droptimizer

[silk dirge]

When should I try to work in Ashes/Grief in my rotation?

[gusty mirage]

ashes w/ DM or KB (dealer's choice which you want to macro it to) and grief anytime after CDs

trying not to drop your envenom buff

[royal lantern]

still fucking up that Part with torch btw

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's fucked tbh

esp now that they put grief on the gcd

[dark token]

Ye to do it properly you have to add the base ilvl item then upgrade it with a spark in the sim

Or just use gear compare

[cursive owl]

Hello guys , 8 months abstinence of WOW , what are currently bis trinkets ?

Iridius fragment still broken ?

[dark token]

Ashes and grieftorch

[cursive owl]

ok O-o

no iridius fragment ?

[normal mist]

Irideus was never good

[spice surge]

3 min trinket not good on a 2 min spec

[cursive owl]

i seee

ok

[spice surge]

Its alright, but not great

[cursive owl]

Ashes and the stupid grieftorch UwU

[normal mist]

It's only stupid if you have good teammates

[gusty mirage]

they hotfixed it so that assa doesn't lose extra stacks, but its 3min cd is kinda assington city with the way assassination plays now

[cursive owl]

i hate the torch

can i use the Branding signet ?

[normal mist]

You can move while casting

[gusty mirage]

I would not recommend signet in keys

but its fine in raid, it's better in longer kill timers in raid

but it's also sink or swim kinda damage

its either nutty or kinda dogshit

[cursive owl]

i see

[normal mist]

Just go grief and laugh as your teammates die and you keep using the trinket left and right

[cursive owl]

xD

ok

[gusty mirage]

or if you want a passive trinket, can always grab a whispering incarnate icon

I know healers want it

so in groups you'll always have crit and haste (I think healers give haste?)

[normal mist]

The best wipes I had my trinket DMG was above 25%

Brrrr

[hardy dagger]

I thought we wanted to pop ashes at 11 sec of kb?

[gusty mirage]

yeah with a lot of teammate deaths grieftorch is literally the best item in the game

[gusty mirage]

you definitely did prior to all the nerfs, the nerfs kinda made it less important

so you can turn brain off and macro it if you want now

it's still slightly more damage to hold it for 2ish seconds

[hardy dagger]

[gusty mirage]

dw the assa tier set is double dipping

so you're shitting out the damage

[brave zenith]

so i shouldnt hold it for 11 anymore?

[hardy dagger]

Yeah played Assa for our mythic clear

Not to bad

[gusty mirage]

@dark token that's why you were shitting out damage

[gusty mirage]

I would still hold it if that's what you've been doing

it is more damage

[brave zenith]

yeah im used to it

[gusty mirage]

just less important than it was before where it's just a micro optimization

[hardy dagger]

Aye so used to popping in at 11

[dark token]

I was wondering it felt kinda high

But not like op

[gusty mirage]

yeah seli was sending me his stuff too

and I was like hmm

[dark token]

With the bug sin in actually a good place

[gusty mirage]

something's fishy

[hardy dagger]

Might aswell eh

[gusty mirage]

then I saw your log and I was like yeah

something's not quite right

[dark token]

Like only reason I topped volocross is I had a 25k DPS external

I SHOULD be top

[brave zenith]

yeah the only time i dont hold ashes is in keys

[gusty mirage]

ye the bug just makes assa competitive with the top dogs now

instead of middle of the pack

[brave zenith]

shit dies to fast

[dark token]

Ye

[hardy dagger]

I mean the bug is fix right

[dark token]

It's a good spot

Strong not op

[gusty mirage]

they fixed the old bug and reintroduced a new one

but this one is beneficial

[dark token]

Keep it

[gusty mirage]

yeah honestly its fine

it's not like assa is doing 100k dps more than other people

[dark token]

We are actually balanced with this bug

[gusty mirage]

it unironically landed assassination in the perfect spot post buff

[dark token]

Assa is in a good spot rn

Yeah

[spice surge]

The double dipping isnt new

[gusty mirage]

didn't they update a flag with the fix?

[dark token]

Not op, middle of packish without pi, good with pi

That's a good spot

[brave zenith]

tbh in keys they feel like middle of the pack also

[gusty mirage]

or was it that it went unnoticed for so long @spice surge

eleem discovered it fwiw

[brave zenith]

definetely coolwdown based but feels good

[gusty mirage]

he's the smart one here

[spice surge]

Ye just not noticed

[gusty mirage]

neat

maybe those nerfs were justified then

[spice surge]

Because it doesnt make sense

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

Its also not a very big change

[dark token]

So if they fix it they will give compensation buff since it was here for so long I guess

[gusty mirage]

yeah tbh I think they just leave it now

[dark token]

They left the warlock bug

[spice surge]

Like 4p doing 12% more damage is like 1% at most, more like 0.6-0.8%

[dark token]

Even tho it balanced em for keys

[gusty mirage]

rip destro btw

[dark token]

It was actually perfect nerf to destro

Can't believe they revert

[brave zenith]

all warlocks do is bitch

anyways

[gusty mirage]

you're not wrong

them and mages

[brave zenith]

could be top dps all expac and they want more

[gusty mirage]

the only wizards allowed to bitch are spriest, because every single time SPriests get used to the 18th rework of the expac

blizzard changes it on them again

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[gusty mirage]

[brave zenith]

tbh. spriest does get the worst end ur right.

[gusty mirage]

they change spriest, everyone bitches, they get used to the new playstyle, they start to enjoy it

"OH WE'RE REWORKING SHADOW AGAIN"

"THIS TIME WE GOT IT FOR SURE GUYS"

[spice surge]

This time they did get it

[gusty mirage]

I hope so

I feel bad for Publik

[thorn fjord]

Where shopping is a pleasure?

[gusty mirage]

the man's had to do more rewriting for his guides in the last 3 expacs than all other specs combined

lmfao

[spice surge]

Theyve been top tier for m+ all df seasons, kinda mid for raid most of the time though

[brave zenith]

tbh assa feels so cozy rn even before buffs like the spec generally feels good to play so im happy

[gusty mirage]

yeah assa's in a good spot, I just hope the war within changes with max kb stacks removes the impact of PI

because it feels pretty shitty to rely on externals to actually do damage

[brave zenith]

the bone spike thing is awesome

[gusty mirage]

I'm hype

maybe I don't quit the game after all

[thorn fjord]

Can you nutshell it for me @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

nightstalker deadge, bepsis deadge, dance into sub tree, every spec gets 2 vanishes, subterfuge 2pter granting up to 6s now, IC adjusted to 6s to match new subterfuge, bonespike passive now that spikes on ruptures

KB has max stacks

[brave zenith]

and i think it gives combo points and energy

[gusty mirage]

CP for each spike

• the refund mechanic stays the same

it's super nice tbh

and less clunky

or at least in theory should be less clunky

[brave zenith]

yeah tbh it helps funnel for keys so much

[thorn fjord]

Spikes on ruptures you say

interesting

[dark token]

Kinda prefer current sin over the TWW sin so far tbh

I like the KB big burst

1 minute burst is the best dmg profile in the game

[thorn fjord]

Why did so many people hate on SD

[gusty mirage]

I think the KB burst will still be there, but the removal of snapshot + setting a max on KB stacks will lessen the reliance on PI

[dark token]

Ye I like SD more than sepsis for sure

[subtle tundra]

Not once has 1 min burst been useful to me

[gusty mirage]

extra button

mostly

[dark token]

It's macros to kingsbane

[thorn fjord]

meh

[gusty mirage]

now vanish functions the same as dance did for assa and outlaw

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[brave zenith]

the removal of snapshot in keys help u be more attentive in higher keys

[gusty mirage]

with 6s subterfuge

[subtle tundra]

Esp since it also requires prep time and takes 10 sec of ramp

[thorn fjord]

The vanish change will suffice

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's not a super big deal, except dance was 1 min and vanish is 2

[thorn fjord]

so then 1 dance per min

[gusty mirage]

so you'll def feel the difference a bit but it won't be glaringly oppressive to no longer have dance

[thorn fjord]

er vanish

[gusty mirage]

it's also a see what happens when you actually play it angle

ya know

[thorn fjord]

Just gotta break the last 2 years of playstyle is all... Welcome change though im about it

[gusty mirage]

patch notes are just words on a website until you get to actually play with it

[slate crown]

hi

[brave zenith]

are we losing the node for longer melee range next expac

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's swapping to inc melee damage

[slate crown]

[brave zenith]

nice

[thorn fjord]

T-Rex arms blows so much

[gusty mirage]

it's not t-rex arms though

it's the same melee as all other melee*

*except ret paladin and I think feral

because for some reason ret paladin is a melee with 25yd range on all of its abilities

[brave zenith]

if u have played ass for years its legit just a melee buff

[thorn fjord]

Pali's lose their leggo and theyre mortal again

[gusty mirage]

it'll be chill

things will work out

I believe

[royal lantern]

we didnt even get to play it and you allready prefer it

man, i thought im cooked

[thorn fjord]

I'll cook you @royal lantern

Like a nice little hot pocket

[royal lantern]

the weather is allready doing that

[arctic socket]

[thorn fjord]

seriously

[gusty mirage]

oh @thorn fjord also cttc for every spec now

🙂

[thorn fjord]

THAT is huge

[gusty mirage]

a weaker version of our tier set bonus is replacing it in the sin tree

[thorn fjord]

holy

[brave zenith]

wait we get the explosion

[thorn fjord]

The bullshit env pandemic part or the cleave part?

[slate crown]

No

[brave zenith]

in tww

[slate crown]

No explosion

[royal lantern]

the thing that confuses me there is just

yeha its good and its actually a passive now for all 3 specs

but at this point, why does it even exist anymore lmao

[brave zenith]

damn

[slate crown]

Just chaining, env with env = more env damage, doesn't aoe, but does go through spatter still

[gusty mirage]

pick any buzzword from any game developer in the last 10 years bro

"friction" - ggg

[thorn fjord]

Yeah just bake it in to the class like they did during BFA

Not having SND was amazing lol

[gusty mirage]

"immersion" - blizzard

[royal lantern]

idk like i know im the "meme SnD bad" guy

but seriously, if you make it almost 99% passive, why not remove it then lol

[thorn fjord]

'Its not that its bad

[slate crown]

if I wanted immersion I'd go play one of hundreds of other games that aren't wow

[gusty mirage]

I'm still indifferent about snd

[royal lantern]

same at this point

[thorn fjord]

BFA was nice not having to cast SND

[gusty mirage]

idc either way, I wasn't excited about it being reintroduced

[royal lantern]

im just really confused with it

[thorn fjord]

One less plate to spin

[gusty mirage]

I remember everyone being hype with SL returning old abilities

I saw shiv and snd

and I just laughed

[royal lantern]

meanwhile mage

[slate crown]

I'm similar, I don't mind it, my taking of it as a role icon was mostly to be contrarian

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

like oh okay, cool ig

[spice spire]

Ur real for that

And same

[gusty mirage]

I made the role icon to troll tryan

I wonder if outsiders peek in from time to time

and be like "these crazy people actually like snd"

[slate crown]

It's an o.k. ability I wouldn't mind it gone and I don't think cttc is like a huge massive giga deal for the other specs, it's nice but w/e

[royal lantern]

mage: "you get a full hp heal + permanent uptime DR with mirror images"

rogue: "SnD and idk man, sinester strike for all specs"

legit funny

[thorn fjord]

Hey OL got step

HUGE

[brave zenith]

the crackshot nerf to ol may be big

[thorn fjord]

I dont think they could do another expansion with the same Crackshot playstyle

[royal lantern]

mate, outlaws where shooting crack right into their brain if they thought the current playstyle will stay lol

[thorn fjord]

It was fun but its starting to get kinda zzzz now

They need to give OL an AK47

[brave zenith]

lmao

A MINIGUN

[thorn fjord]

Lets upgrade to Semali pirates

Fuck this old yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me pirate

Give me a modern version

if OL had an AK i'd only play that

[brave zenith]

LOOK AT ME im the captian now

imagine the aspects being like champion we need ur help as u walk into a raid battle with grenades on ur belt dual wielding aks.

[thorn fjord]

🦴

[keen crescent]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[sterile cypress]

Hello fellow rogues, how do you do? I played sin rogue back in shadowlands super casually and quit after like 6 months without doing any M+ or raiding. Came back halfway through DF season 3 and mostly tanked some raids and got KSM tanking but found a guild in need of a rogue. I have been practicing this spec for the last 3 weeks but my logs are showing me in grey parses (most of the time).

There are not a lot of runs logged for this spec and I kind of assume that the people playing it are well practiced on the spec. I was curious if I could post my log from heroic amirdrassil for review and get some recommendations for improvement?

[dusky carbon]

anyone have a good neatplates import for assa?

[hexed willow]

Pretty sure you do !logs

[sterile cypress]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[thorn fjord]

There are plater profiles available

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dusky carbon]

ah thank you

[scenic nacelle]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[sterile cypress]

After using wowanalyzer it really seems like I have solid uptime on dots, I'm using my big cooldowns maximum number of times during most fights (sometimes skewed because I hold deathmark combo until phasing smolderon etc). I definitely see some small efficiency improvements like making sure I cast ambush during stealth windows over mutilate.

Could the small sample size of the spec just be very competitive that im grey parsing? Again, I've only been taking a serious look at sin for ~3-4 weeks lol

[violet jackal]

What’s your item level?

[thorn fjord]

Could be a gear issue

[sterile cypress]

500-501 throughout the raid, I'm specifically looking at ilvl% to try and get the best gaugue of things but maybe thats not actually a good number?

[normal mist]

Ilvl parses can be flawed

[violet jackal]

Never look at ILvl parse

[split cipher]

parses are a bit wonky as well with this 1 week rotation per raid at the moment too

smaller on smaller sample size

[thorn fjord]

yeah i grey parsed a fight last night (floor POV) and still got like 89th overall LOL

[lyric vale]

Assa seems so good on raid bought boost for my pally on fyrak he was dealing 400k persec on boss only

What the state distribution for single target;)

[brave zenith]

sim

always sim

[sterile cypress]

Okay, very much noted. I'm absolutely seeing improvements compared to week 1 in Vault. Final question for now - I've been using raidbot to sim gear and spending too much time logging in and out to update single target vs aoe builds with gear, but is there an ideal end game ratio for stat distribution? Like I was learning some frost mage in S3 and they specifically said to get ~33% crit to ~ensure~ their glacial lance crits.

[brave zenith]

not a frost mage. gotta sim buddy

[thorn fjord]

Wait why are you logging out for sims?

[lyric vale]

Hmm semms is telling me more haste how much haste do i need jesus i have 3k and seems like its still low

[dusky carbon]

maybe a stupid question, but anyone know how to move the power resource bar in the center down? trying all the y offsets in plater and nothing is working

[thorn fjord]

We like all stats... its all based on your personal gear set

[lyric vale]

Ahhhhh imo bang my head into wall rotation is easy getting items is hard😫

[violet jackal]

Personally I only sim for single target, the most I’m changing from raid to m+ is a trinket slot

[thorn fjord]

Same usually

[lyric vale]

Unfortunately i domt have ashesh and i bought boon for outlaw this week so ashes will be delayed till next week

Guess should run doung this week for azure neck and fragment and haste mastery wrist

[thorn fjord]

I won’t be able to get double BSL till four weeks from now

[lyric vale]

What is bsl ;)?

[brave zenith]

blue silken lining

[lyric vale]

Oh

Wait min that mean dieslow went for head and fingrr craft this week?

[thorn fjord]

I went boots

But I multi spec

[violet jackal]

Wrist and belt for me

[dusky carbon]

are there ideal slots for crafting blue silken lining to? i went wrist and trying to decide on 2nd

[lyric vale]

I went boot waist;)
Shadow flame both

[thorn fjord]

Wrist belt rings boots

[lyric vale]

But for outlaw

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[violet jackal]

Fuu got it on a ring and wrist but whispyr has it on wrist and belt

[thorn fjord]

I’d swap the toxic patch off my wrists and plop bsl in it but I dunno

Prob just wait it out

[lyric vale]

Hfff i want to do raid and i cant pull out enough dmg out of outlaw in raid

RnG is hard to controll u know

[thorn fjord]

My mastery is so low right now in sin that my sims don’t even want my eggnog ring lol

[brave zenith]

outlaw is easier to play then assa in raid

[violet jackal]

Heroic?

[gusty mirage]

ideally bracers/belt/jewelry

cause they have the least impact for ilvl loss for crafted gear

[potent raven]

the 3ilvls u lose on ur helm will cost u 10 billion dps

[gusty mirage]

but realistically it's whatever even if you go boots

because the variance in dps is way larger than the % loss of crafting on boots vs belt

[thorn fjord]

Gonna disagree with this

Sin is a flow chart OL is reactionary

[brave zenith]

for someone new to ass

[lyric vale]

Game seems broken tbh now

[violet jackal]

Funny enough some players gain i lvl from crafted gear

[potent raven]

outlaw is ez af

sin is the real deal

[brave zenith]

if u fuck up the opener

and subsequent kb windows

u do no damage

[potent raven]

that goes for everyone pretty much

[thorn fjord]

direct all your OL questions to @gusty mirage

he's the expert

[potent raven]

im playing sin now its the ultimate spec for m+ because u have no acro

[violet jackal]

Isn’t zac the expert

[potent raven]

its life on hrd mode

[violet jackal]

Also oxi abandoned us he is a apaladin now

I hope you feralyth into a frontal 2 more times this season

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[lean bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent raven]

XD

[gusty mirage]

so 1 more key?

[potent raven]

@gusty mirage are u eu?

[gusty mirage]

I am not

[cloud basin]

does cloak of shadows remove Jaina iceblock? If not then i cant solo lol

[potent raven]

wow i

wish u were so u could carry me in keys

on ur paladin

[thorn fjord]

Wish he would carry me irl

[potent raven]

same..

so smart and good

[thorn fjord]

and strong

[upbeat mirage]

and pretty

[potent raven]

and Hot

[manic igloo]

hows sin rogue in m+ atm compared to sub

[royal lantern]

never did a tmog run for it or something like that

but when she was current content, it iirc just prevented new stacks from going on you, not removing them

[potent raven]

ngl both are good rn

id be playing sin but my gear kinda meh xd

[brave zenith]

both do different things

outlaw has consisten damage every pull ass bursts hard

[clever sapphire]

i love this guy, gets asked about assa compared to sub and he compares assa to outlaw

[royal lantern]

its ravenholdt, we cant read shmeeps

[potent raven]

nothing wrong with saying w/e he said

hes not wrong but like if the pulls last long enough u can top the meters

[brave zenith]

im working

[royal lantern]

hi working

[brave zenith]

sorry yeah i dont know sub

[clever sapphire]

didnt play sub yet this season, but imo sub is more aoe aoe burst and assa is gonna make 1 guy melt and do big aoe in the meantime

is the aoe bigger than subs? no idea

[potent raven]

sub has a lot of ramp from rupture

[brave zenith]

sub always felt weird to me all ur aoe is tied to rupture and sec teq

[manic igloo]

im gonna go with sin i just like poisoning things lol

[true condor]

could i ask for a log review masters

[spice spire]

Yea

[silk bane]

bro thinks hes a professional hater

the way i hate i make kendrick drake beef look like a love story

[jade carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[north frost]

is assassin back

[potent raven]

Ye

[north frost]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-getit-dance-boogie-gif-195727820326679790

[modest spindle]

is it worth equipping Magmammoth scale trinket over Ashes if it's 4 ilvl upgrade?

[subtle tundra]

💀

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[true condor]

oh we got more advanced thing for sin

i thought we are using the classic way

[wanton spear]

whats the average you should be hitting with the kingbane WA thing with deathmark i'm useally around 3-4 mil without 1.5-2 mil

512 ilvl

[keen spruce]

probably roughly that on average

should be able to peak more with rng

[true condor]

why it could be like this

[keen spruce]

I think I was averaging like 3m on Fyrakk prog last season without lust on pull

[gusty mirage]

idk when the last time wowanalyzer was updated tbh

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

that's a @main vessel or whispyr inquiry

[keen spruce]

was it ever updated for s3?

[true condor]

i coded !log and they told me this

above

[sterile cypress]

click on the box and it might provide more information (i know im hitting mutilate during stealth over ambush)

[gusty mirage]

judging by the "mutilate during dance/stealth is bad"

probably not

[keen spruce]

ye this is out of date

[true condor]

i see i see

[keen spruce]

It's a big pain in the ass to update wowanalyzer for the hyper specific rules for like KB windows and stuff

[gusty mirage]

but I sure as shit am not going to reopen the auto thread opener command

[true condor]

i feel like i cant catch the moment when Dance->KB for Ambush

[gusty mirage]

quake's already gone mental

[keen spruce]

[true condor]

like i just cast KB then Dance over

[keen spruce]

@true condor if you just post a log normally someone will take a look at it eventually

sometimes not

[true condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W39kQdGv6rB41NzC#fight=16

[keen spruce]

but like

[true condor]

could i just put it here

[keen spruce]

also make sure you read the guide

[gusty mirage]

yes

[keen spruce]

cuz it might also get flamed if you're doing goofy shit

[wanton spear]

i thought we only hit ambush if we get a bs proc is that not true anymore

[keen spruce]

ye

well

mut just turns into ambush

now

with BS

[gusty mirage]

it's like slightly more damage to mutilate over ambush during lust/pi in dance w/ KB

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/quotation-marks-chris-farley-air-gif-24463963

I just hid the blindside visual indicator and let my mutilate cast whatever it wants to cast

[gusty mirage]

kinda based tbh

[keen spruce]

never even look at blindside

[wanton spear]

i was over complicating my M+ gameplay last night and doing dick all for damage so i completely changed how i was playing and now i'm at least 300k at end of dungeon

[gusty mirage]

gamer

[keen spruce]

keepin it simple

[gusty mirage]

sometimes trying to do too much will cause you to tank your damage

[keen spruce]

tends to perform better in m+ fur shur

[true condor]

i posted

[spice spire]

Mister reality thread

[true condor]

pls everylord help me to get better and beat my guilds inner group

then i could get my dignity back

[wanton spear]

wait did i just free up a keybind i had no idea about the mutilate turning into ambush

[dark token]

I just unbound ambush from my stealth bar and put mut there instead

[proven jasper]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

I just have a stance macro cause I cba trying to min max like 0.2% dps

[main vessel]

I got a list from Whispyr forever ago and haven’t gotten to it yet because the Kingsbane analysis was a bane in the ass

[gusty mirage]

well now you're chillin' until TWW

with the changes coming

[main vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[gusty mirage]

and meme season

[wanton spear]

whoever made that kingsbane weak aura is the real hero

[gusty mirage]

I'll allow it, but only because I love you

[main vessel]

Ya, what I’m probably gonna do for sin in TWW is burn it to the ground and rebuild

[gusty mirage]

can you burn ravenholdt to the ground too

no need to rebuild

[proven jasper]

[main vessel]

[gusty mirage]

spare @proven jasper tho

kastle is a homie

[proven jasper]

u gonna burn down our home

like that

[gusty mirage]

yes

[proven jasper]

its okay id be happy rebuilding with u oxi

[gusty mirage]

:3

don't tell tryan about the :3 breach

he gets angy

[proven jasper]

:3

Let it out

[royal lantern]

why should i get angy at :3

[wanton spear]

whats our ST raid spec? the M+ specs aren't updated to use caustic spatter in the faq is the st one updated?

[spice spire]

Please DO NOT announce to the server when You are going to :3 in #1080572530554835072 .This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly male strangers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering what emotes you've been using). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

[proven jasper]

Ur so sexy when you talk to me like that

Ill make sure to only dm them to you from now on

[gusty mirage]

he likes it when you meow at him too

[spice spire]

[proven jasper]

[quiet oar]

Quake the cutie can review log

[thorn fjord]

Soulbound Stat gems are dumb

[gusty mirage]

the fact that you can't guarantee r3 without an insight is even dumber

[quiet oar]

Ye

No crafter wants to waste a insight for a Gem

because no one wants to pay 5K

for a gem

[thorn fjord]

Finally got a good gear set going for sin and have a decent sim

But no raid till tuesday now

[dusky carbon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[scenic nacelle]

why are the cleave training dummies only taking 1 damage?

[thorn fjord]

Should I rerun heroic even tho I’m locked out just to parse?

[slate crown]

Dummies are bugged rn, they were yesterday too

[scenic nacelle]

ok I thought I was giga busted for some reason lol

[thorn fjord]

Guild stuff is bugged too.. can’t open guild chest and repairs are wonky lol

[obtuse cliff]

i guess good time to learn AoE on assa

time to troll people in m8's if game tells me to

xD

[clever sapphire]

aoe is just spread shit, press kb when you are happy with your spreading

profit

[ashen topaz]

Hey guys, new to Assa ( and rogue/melee dps in general) im really loving the class, seems rlly fun, but during opener i feel likeim jsut pressing random buttons, is there any good video guide of what to do during the kingsbane/deathmark opening :)?

[clever sapphire]

one is wowhead, other is check whispyrs channel

he has a few videos on assa basics

rotation

restealth

all the interesting things

[dark token]

this patch so buggy

[ashen topaz]

Thanks 🙂 i was checking wowhead i wanted something more visual! will check whispyrs channel 🙂

also, do you guys macro any important abilities together?

[clever sapphire]

i personally dont, but i think most assa rogues macro dance and kb

you always press them together so its a why not

i just like pressing it seperatly

[obtuse cliff]

currently im rlly struggling on switching targets to spread rupture + garrote

not used to it since outlaw didnt want u to swap targets with ghostly strike

[dark token]

use mouseover garrote/rupture macros

sin doesnt want to swap targets either

[clever sapphire]

mousover in big pulls is a big oof

[dark token]

due to caustic spatter

[clever sapphire]

i just tab target

[wanton spear]

i stopped tab targetting for bleeds and it fixed my wet noodle dps

[ashen topaz]

noob question, how do u mouseover macro garrote/rapture :)?

[obtuse cliff]

U just apply to the same target for +2?

[wanton spear]

caustic does significantly more damage

[clever sapphire]

comes down to pull size

5 targets i use it twice on the same, 6 i target the one without garrote, 6+ i try to garrote 2-3 important targets

rupture 3 times

and boom go ST on one guy

[wanton spear]

just make sure the one guy can survive for at least 30 sec

[obtuse cliff]

THIS PART FEELS SO WEIRD FOR ME

[clever sapphire]

stop telling him things that wont happen unless you are doing a 20

[obtuse cliff]

like ur big burst abillities

are all on enemy

not on you

it feels so weird, u target wrong thing and u have 0 dps

XD

[gusty mirage]

ye its def different if you're not used to dot specs in general

[clever sapphire]

after doing the keys a few times you will know before a pull which one you want to target for your cooldowns

in pulls where you use your cooldowns there is usually a guy everyone hates

[gusty mirage]

the real answer is it never really matters cause chances are the spriest and devoker/fire mage are gonna kill everything before your dots do damage anyway

[wanton spear]

THIS

[obtuse cliff]

KEK

[clever sapphire]

tbf i only ran into this problem with bm hunters and monks

[gusty mirage]

that's why you play sudden demise and pad

[clever sapphire]

fire mages are dumb and dont run flamestrike even in 10s, devokers are augs that got benched so they have to learn dev, spriests are brain afk

[gusty mirage]

[wanton spear]

i like watching how zerocool plays assa

[runic hinge]

Is spriest fotm? Am I just following the trends?

[gusty mirage]

of course

spriest absolutely fucks in keys

unless your monitor is off

then it doesn't

[thorn fjord]

@runic hinge dirty bandwagon man

[runic hinge]

Damn

[clever sapphire]

im pretty sure all high keys have an spriest in them

you can rotate the other 2 dps around

but you will have an spriest

[obtuse cliff]

spriest is broken unless u can't hit ur aoe spell or tank does a bit of trolling and pulls pack away KEK

[wanton spear]

anytime you beat an sp or evoker in damage, it just means they are bad

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I was looking at archon and it seems they are pretty meta

[clever sapphire]

what if i beat both in the same key? twice after another

[gusty mirage]

did you think all of these people wanted to learn a spec they'll have to relearn 8 times next expac too?

[wanton spear]

i just did that my last key, lol i think they were bad

[thorn fjord]

Hasnt Spriest been down bad most of this expansion?

[clever sapphire]

told ya, devs are augs rerolling and spriests are fotm andys

[runic hinge]

I just like it for the aesthetic

[gusty mirage]

uhuh...

[thorn fjord]

Sad boi aesthetic

[runic hinge]

Void stuff cool af

[gusty mirage]

only thing being rotated is the resto druid into balance bud

[clever sapphire]

damn im smart, i didnt even have to check

[gusty mirage]

spriest fire mage augvoker

that's it

[thorn fjord]

Asian players dont count

[wanton spear]

did that chart seasons past always have jpc or kush on it lol

[thorn fjord]

Show us US/EU stats

[gusty mirage]

dog

[runic hinge]

I bet they nerf psychic link

[thorn fjord]

[gusty mirage]

there's EU and NA in the top 5

open your fucking eyes miami boy

[thorn fjord]

Nah all I see are Kanji

[manic igloo]

so whats good use of my bullions? like general use for raids and m+ a quick tldr 😛

[thorn fjord]

Torch

[gusty mirage]

yes yoda, drogo, crims, and firedup

[thorn fjord]

is a good starting point

[clever sapphire]

even if they nerf priest dmg by a bit, they still have stam buff/pi/soothe/md

[gusty mirage]

very asian

[obtuse cliff]

TORCH

and ashes

[clever sapphire]

ashes and grieftorch

[manic igloo]

ty all

[ashen topaz]

should i buy the 528 weapon first?

[gusty mirage]

also chinese players tend to be ahead of the curve on new meta shit than NA/EU

so wash your ass @thorn fjord

[wanton spear]

if i have a normal ashes from this week should i replace it with the bullion one next week?

[runic hinge]

Only if you’re not gonna touch mythic at all

[thorn fjord]

my girl likes the taste of a dirty bum

[ashen topaz]

(im just gearing my rogue, 465 ilvl lol) i was thinking of buying weap + ashes

[ashen topaz]

oh yeah, this is just an alt for fun

i main healer, so probably wont touch mythic with him ( or not anytime soon)

[runic hinge]

Weapon is a fine buy then

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't waste a token on a weapon just yet

[clever sapphire]

2 answers:
logical one - sim it
my solution - i had normal grieftorch, i grabbed grieftorch with my bullion this week

[gusty mirage]

cause you can craft a 525

if you're really down bad for daggers

[obtuse cliff]

same, weapon on rogue doesnt do that much (I mean no special effects)

[runic hinge]

Only two sparks so far and you need two embellishments

[wanton spear]

i'm the noob that bought ring week 1 and torch this week lol

[thorn fjord]

I kinda wanna use bullion next week on the very rare Verse/Shield neck

[gusty mirage]

you don't need two embellishments

[ashen topaz]

2k mastery

😛

[obtuse cliff]

i was so happy that i dropped it and apparently this effect don't do much

T__T

[thorn fjord]

Maybe i get brood ring

[potent raven]

who wants to do assa sub keys for funsies

[clever sapphire]

still running 483 timestrike in offhand, 2 daggers dropped on igira yesterday (i was benched 🙃 )

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-dodgeball-movie-ben-stiller-white-goodman-gif-14923367

[thorn fjord]

I had to step away for our mythic Igira kill cause of baby aggro... Fucking Dagger dropped and it got rolled off for mog 😦

On tuesday

[gusty mirage]

how many people showed up for awakened where yall have a lineup rotation

wtf

[obtuse cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679399659843616831/938268224498327613/image0.gif

my reaction to that information legit

rip my dude

[clever sapphire]

24 actually, a few of them are rerollers that are prepping for tww or trials we are testing

[gusty mirage]

neat

[gusty mirage]

no one told you to make a baby bud

[thorn fjord]

He’s awesome tho

[gusty mirage]

I want you to take a second, take a lap, and reassess your choices

[manic igloo]

with ashes best time to use it?

[gusty mirage]

that made you create life instead of farm pixels from imaginary monsters in your computer

[gusty mirage]

with Kingsbane

or DM

[clever sapphire]

i macrod it to DM

[obtuse cliff]

I do it with deathmark because it sometimes doesn't lineup perfectly for 2nd deathmark when on KB

[potent raven]

what do u guys sim on st

[clever sapphire]

cause i always kb with dm, but not the other way around

[potent raven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cBQj8b2VJUXSemyvtdNR52

is this horrible

[clever sapphire]

for assa? no, for any other spec in the game? yes probably

[potent raven]

[thorn fjord]

Not even

Most people are still simming lower

[clever sapphire]

my evoker buddy with 513 ilvl is already simming more than assa bis sims

[potent raven]

just wait for tww

[thorn fjord]

If you want that extra kick of dopamine sim with PI

[potent raven]

gonna be getting gapped by every ranged

i actually want to quit

if i cant play rogue tbh

i love assa and sub but they seem to be unplayable in tww with the changes i read

[clever sapphire]

im simming without windfury but with pi, because we can afford 3 priests but not an enhancer

[thorn fjord]

Our ench swapped resto

And we have no wft

[clever sapphire]

ours went windwalker

[thorn fjord]

Fuckin goombas

[clever sapphire]

assa seems good to me in tww so far, from what im reading

[wanton spear]

isn't this all coming down to our third hero class not being garbage

[clever sapphire]

i dont mind tbh, raid is only there for the sake of gathering the guild every week twice so that they dont disband

atleast this season

[obtuse cliff]

I wouldn't worry about balance just yet, changes seem me to aim on reducing skill required to pilot rogue

[sterile cypress]

Silly question, going into stealth doesnt reset our ashes of embersoul combat does it? (like using vanish)

[thorn fjord]

Yeah same for us

[clever sapphire]

it shouldnt reset afaik

[potent raven]

yeah they're lowering the entry barrier i guess

more welcoming for new people

rogue isnt that straight-forward

which sucks lul

[tall atlas]

is embersoul and iridius fragment close in dps

[obtuse cliff]

I mean i rlly don't mind stealth windows going away, they seem so weird in practice

[potent raven]

because i love putting effort into getting good and figuring out a spec

[obtuse cliff]

like u cannot even use vanish in open world for dps

[clever sapphire]

fragment is not simming correctly (its using 2 ticks with mutilate so its less dps), ashes is the go to no questions asked

[thorn fjord]

Fuck that I love playing like shit and getting carried

[pulsar void]

Simming 220k on target dummy over 5 min just self buffs and food etc. but I am doing 300k over 5 mins raider target dummy in val... wtf is going on

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u2F1AJxRPpYx1YLzHTaxk2

[raw dock]

Guys, Im playing outlaw on M+ while playing other specs in raid.
Can I use 2 shadowflames embellishments in Assassin? (it should be the first 2 for outlaw)

[tall atlas]

ty

[clever sapphire]

are the target dummies in execute range permanently?

[obtuse cliff]

why is that there

susge

[gusty mirage]

no fragment kinda caca for assa

cause 3min cd

[potent raven]

pretty sure blizzard balances stuff off their forums

[pulsar void]

idk bro I just clicked simc optimal or something

[potent raven]

its ok just make everything require x100 less skill so everyone can be equal

[clever sapphire]

can you run it? sure i guess, do you like bsl more? yes

[potent raven]

u just pick up a class and in 1 day youre beastmode on it

[fallow canopy]

meme season beast activated (?

[obtuse cliff]

Avg evoker gameplay

[potent raven]

they did the same to overwatch

[gusty mirage]

more like boli's a gamer season beast activated

[manic igloo]

one more question 😛 for the m+ build which one do i go there seems to be a couple

[obtuse cliff]

But I hope they don't go futher than removing vanish as a offensive cd

and maybe we get something else to press from new talent trees

i mean the one from tww

[wanton spear]

aren't they trying to reduce our button bloat

[potent raven]

as long as we do damage and it requires some effort and thought into it im fine with it

otherwise probably quit angle

[wanton spear]

i mean assa doesn't really have any

i would like our defensive cd's to be defensive tho

[tall atlas]

is whyspr here

[gusty mirage]

dealer's choice, if you're still getting a hang of everything and/or doing lower keys playing a build with sudden demise will make you less sad about your overall

[clever sapphire]

i would suggest the shock build, you wont get much value out of cleave in keys under like 10-12

[obtuse cliff]

dude don't tell me that i still cannot press bleeds properly on AoE

[tall atlas]

what happened to the cool graphics that were in the assa faw

faq

[gusty mirage]

the wowhead guide is like extremely in depth, so the faq wasn't worth updating

[wanton spear]

we have 3 bleeds?

[sterile cypress]

single handedly saving my low key DPS

[potent raven]

so snapshottyy is pretty cool

unluckers

[tall atlas]

but i liked the pictures habibi

[idle cloak]

What ilvl do i need for mythic +0? i've got 486 atm and ive been declined from 50 groups already haha

[gusty mirage]

ye it's legit the only way you'll get any damage out with how obscenely broken some specs are (fire mage, spriest, ret pala, bm hunter)

probably missing a few

except evoker we pretend the dragons aren't real

[obtuse cliff]

Yeah but u have to make sure every mob has it 😭 And sometimes mobs die too quick

shit isnt easy when u just starting

[gusty mirage]

I'm sorry friend

[bright turret]

486 would have no issues with M0, but your issue is gonna be competing with 20 apps with more ilvl

[potent raven]

ic rocks

[clever sapphire]

frost mage, mm hunter, windwalker monk, destro lock, outlaw, ele shamy, warrior, dh

[potent raven]

that saying dont fix whats not broken goes rly well rn

[gusty mirage]

outlaw doesn't count anymore

they're in shambles

[clever sapphire]

specs that popped into my head

[gusty mirage]

because of something something flow of the spec something

[clever sapphire]

wait what happened to outlaw

[gusty mirage]

idk man they melted down over tww changes

[clever sapphire]

lemme guess

no acro?

[gusty mirage]

that too

[potent raven]

not only that but theyre making the spec slower

generally

[proven jasper]

Haste and mastery are real stats for them now

[bright turret]

melting down over having 4 real secondaries seems a bit odd

[idle cloak]

shiet, its just mythic 0. Didnt know people took it so serious

[proven jasper]

they dont know how to feel

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/manatee-hue-colors-rainbow-humanity-gif-4566783

[proven jasper]

[potent raven]

feels pointless to even play any rogue spec rn knowing whats coming

[gusty mirage]

"I HAVE TO GET 25% HASTE REEEEEE" was the general consensus I believe

[bright turret]

Nothing to do with taking it seriously. If I'm a group leader why wouldn't I invite the 495-500 people over a 486 guy when I have pages of apps to work through?

[proven jasper]

idk i like assa changes

i am mega hype for keys

With bonespike ruptures

[gusty mirage]

imagine having all stats get better for you

and being upset about it

[bright turret]

Falling behind the ilvl curve in regards to M+ has always sucked

[proven jasper]

smh

[clever sapphire]

i dunno about that, assa feels nice in keys atleast for me and tww changes look like fun

[wanton spear]

deathstalker copium

[thorn fjord]

Stats are for nerds

[proven jasper]

Imagine ur class literally gets better

And ur upset

[potent raven]

yeah i mean atm its very nice i agree

[idle cloak]

A lot of people doing mythic 0s

[potent raven]

assa does a lot of dam bro

[gusty mirage]

well we'll see if its actually better

[potent raven]

im so hype playing it rn xd

[proven jasper]

true better might be pushing it

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven jasper]

but ur spec actually becomes a spec because you no longer have two dead secondaries

[clever sapphire]

wait zero is back to assa? is outlaw really that down bad or wat

[woeful meteor]

he's a onetrick

[thorn fjord]

Yeah hes got some top 10 parses as sin rn

[woeful meteor]

ofc he goes back once he thinks its good enough

[bright turret]

Some people acting like these changes are gonna apply to current balance rather than content in 6 months

omgersh outlaw nurfs

[wanton spear]

he was testing it in M+ before the buff

[gusty mirage]

I, for one, am SHOCKED they're rebalancing things from one expansion to another

literally never seen before

[thorn fjord]

NEVER

[gusty mirage]

(pls ignore BFA to shadowlands where blizzard forgot about rogue)

[potent raven]

issue is dying quick rn on assa feels like im so squishy in keys

[dusky carbon]

anyone have a link to changes?

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/may-9th-the-war-within-alpha-development-notes-stormbringer-shaman-available-for-339901?webhook

[clever sapphire]

#tww-assassination message

[dusky carbon]

ty

[bright turret]

it'll be nice being able to multi spec and not having almost 5k dead stats from sin to outlaw

[gusty mirage]

the previous stat balance was kinda fucked

[clever sapphire]

imagine multispeccing, just get 3 rogues, 1 for each spec, done

[dusky carbon]

oh shit 6 sec subterfuge is huge

[bright turret]

people just sort of bounce off rogues for whatever reason

[royal lantern]

WTF outlaw always needs 8 exodia greentext pieces every single patch to do dmg

"ok, we give you a reason to actually get stats now"

WTF i need stats now to do dmg??????????

outlaw brains

[gusty mirage]

people forget this is a video game

[royal lantern]

i cant

[bright turret]

my guild bleeds them, and people reroll one to try it and shelf after 2 weeks of raid

[gusty mirage]

where like if you're not having fun

just play something else

[proven jasper]

crazy right

[gusty mirage]

I wasn't enjoying rogue so I decided to play my pally, then I got my leggo and swapped from tanking to ret

I'm having fun

had fun tanking too

[bright turret]

being OP probably helps the fun

[gusty mirage]

ret's fucking silly man

like it's not okay for it do that much damage and have that much utility

[bright turret]

im too lazy to make an alt, but ret would be my first choice

if only to see if its as easy as people meme about

[gusty mirage]

it is

I press the shiny buttons

and top meters

then I use my legendary into frontals and die

because I'm smart

[proven jasper]

Im playing arms rn with leggo

Also a blast

I press mortal strike and top meters

[bright turret]

i hear "I lego'd" a whole lot as people explaining why they die

[gusty mirage]

I'm a team player, I'm proccing my own ret aura for the good of the group

[dusky carbon]

wtf these changes are almost all nerfs lol

[clever sapphire]

also giving them grieftorch resets

how nice of you

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-13719248636774070662

[obtuse cliff]

Don't look at the changes with mind balance is final

look at them from the gameplay perspective

[royal lantern]

they re-adjust stuff

[obtuse cliff]

if u gonna enjoy class better

[royal lantern]

thats not nerfs lol

[wanton spear]

do they think rogue is like too strong vs other specs lol

[bright turret]

cant believe blizzard is applying these alpha changes to S4 next week

[clever sapphire]

funny how my tank buddy played his ret alt today, died like 5 times in ruby and each time he said that exact same thing

[bright turret]

nerfs~

[clever sapphire]

"i used my legendary"

[sterile cypress]

I'm also a team player, i give a 3.6% damage reduction

[gusty mirage]

listen man, you gotta put the cooldown on cooldown

[royal lantern]

thinking 3 seconds ahead is overated

[dusky carbon]

i know this isnt outlaw section, but this as an example is straight up a nerf not sure how you can cope otherwise: "Adrenaline Rush has been updated:
No longer increases global cooldown recovery rate by 25% while active.
Now increases global cooldown recovery rate equal to your Haste while active, up to 25%.
Now increases Energy regeneration by 50% (was 60%)."

[royal lantern]

shiny button is shiny button

[royal lantern]

oh no

outlaw has haste value now

[dusky carbon]

nerf: Invigorating Shadowdust now reduces cooldowns by 10/20 seconds (was 15/30 seconds).

[obtuse cliff]

They gave u reason to stack some haste

[royal lantern]

the HORROR

[gusty mirage]

a nerf literally no one's upset at

[dusky carbon]

even if you get haste its still an energy nerf

[gusty mirage]

a better nerf would be to just delete dust

fuck dust

[obtuse cliff]

yeah but u dont have 2 stats that only do anything on outlaw now

[clever sapphire]

by getting haste you get energy regen, by getting haste you get that global cdr

[royal lantern]

i was more suprised that "invigorating shadowdust has been removed" was not in there

[dusky carbon]

Crackshot’s Dispatch effectiveness reduced to 50% (was 75%). nerf

[proven jasper]

[gusty mirage]

I mean they kinda did without gutting it completely

which is good

[wanton spear]

they nerfed kingsbane too

[royal lantern]

just wait until @vestal wren is cooking some real degen shit up again

[gusty mirage]

but you know what they did do

[obtuse cliff]

did u even read what i said lmao

[gusty mirage]

they made it even more cancer for timings

[clever sapphire]

thank god

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

moving away from kb

[royal lantern]

and WHY did they do it?

[clever sapphire]

and giving a reason to dot

[royal lantern]

think for a second there

[gusty mirage]

#TEAMDARKBREW

[proven jasper]

jesus

I only played sub when dark brew was the go to

[gusty mirage]

nah, they're reducing the impact of PI

[wanton spear]

is ghostcrawler a fking dev again like wtf

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/bobitos-mimis-michis-gif-943529865427663588

[gusty mirage]

which is fucking great

we love that

[silk bane]

darkbrew enjoyers unite

[gusty mirage]

because I'm sick of having one of my specs balanced around externals

[royal lantern]

KB doing infinite dmg cus it can stack so high is 1 of the main problems assa has rn

all dmg is in KB cus KB can go so high

now it has a hardcap which lets them put more dmg into other abilitys AND reduces Pi impact

[proven jasper]

Preach king

[clever sapphire]

the less externals i rely on the happier i am

[wanton spear]

so isn't that just gonna mke us all go into DB?

[bright turret]

nerfs are things that reduce your damage on live, those look like good changes to me

[vestal wren]

you mean like 3 vanish charges for dust?

[royal lantern]

?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

[silk bane]

that dreams dead

oxis just hating becuase his spreadsheeting isnt as good

real sub rogues are spreasheet masters

[gusty mirage]

jokes on you I had stealthi's spreadsheet numbers before you did

nerd

[royal lantern]

mate

1 guy made that sheet

y'all just copypaste it

[silk bane]

we had our own before he made his

i remember staying up with scana till 3 am cooking

[gusty mirage]

your numbers were inferior to the raccoon man's

[royal lantern]

i dont wanna know what scana is cooking at 3am

[wanton spear]

what if they got rid of sudden demise as a capstone and put something useful

[clever sapphire]

huh

[royal lantern]

sudden demise is good

[gusty mirage]

then assassination would be dogshit in lower keys

like actually useless

[royal lantern]

mate, all your takes rn are all so cooked lol

[clever sapphire]

get rid of SD, you might as well spec full st in low keys

[royal lantern]

remove the "low keys" part and that was assa in m+ for the last 5 years!

[silk bane]

alright hows sin in keys, ill stack vers mast so i can live

do we do damage?

[clever sapphire]

depends on the other 2 dps

if they let you do dmg

[silk bane]

alright im down

[proven jasper]

Sudden demise looks even better in tww so that take is wack

[silk bane]

we go spriest aug sin

get breath pi on my dm

ON GOD IM COOKING

[clever sapphire]

zero was keeping up with an SP and fire mage in 15 academy in overall

[potent raven]

armin come do som keys with me

[clever sapphire]

and no assa gear

[potent raven]

i play sub

[royal lantern]

#1 rule of assa in m+

dont use cd's on the first pack of the dungeon and everytime the FotM class has their cds

[potent raven]

no? u can just tricks the spriest

[wanton spear]

zero doesn't use SD or IC

[proven jasper]

yeah he does high keys

Its also tyran week

[potent raven]

prio dps over sd and ic

[proven jasper]

so its boss week

[wanton spear]

he's in a 16 right now without it

[royal lantern]

raiding with zero just made me realise even more how cooked he is

[proven jasper]

like i said boss week

[clever sapphire]

wait not even ic

[potent raven]

why

[proven jasper]

Sd losses value

[clever sapphire]

is the man going full ST?

[proven jasper]

Sounds like zero lmao

He does that kinda shit

[wanton spear]

its aoe consists of spatter lol

[royal lantern]

he has a "special" view on things

[proven jasper]

^

Accurate

[clever sapphire]

he clearly is having ic