assassination

[thorn fjord]

YOU THE REALEST ONE

[spice spire]

Nah a real one would be in the trenches with my brethren playing sin rn

[thorn fjord]

I've ran about 9 RLP since saturday fishing for the dagger and helm

Havent seen either once

Game hates me

[shy pecan]

Same

[spice spire]

Damn call me “game” then

[thorn fjord]

Its impossible to hate Ed

[shy pecan]

Oh it’s possible

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-secret-chris-pratt-silence-dont-say-gif-17543341

[spice spire]

They were calling me Kendrick the way I was hating on those drakes last night

[thorn fjord]

Nobody likes a diddler

[junior aurora]

yea the hip hop game only has room for women beaters like chris brown

[spice spire]

Mm meant to make a joke

Not starting this

Buffs

[thorn fjord]

lol

BUFFS

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

Never seen so many folks hate on drakes until last night

[thorn fjord]

Every body loved Ed

Nobody loves erectile disfunction tho

[shy pecan]

[thorn fjord]

Brother ive been hating on drake for 15 years now

[junior aurora]

drake a real creep

[thorn fjord]

Drakes a loser lol

Degrassi ass

[ashen totem]

i though ppl saw drake as a random pop artist, but over the last few days i discovered a lot that think hes a rapper or something

crazy stuff

[spice spire]

We’re talking about an MtG game

Damn

[thorn fjord]

mostly people not familiar with the hip hop scene

[balmy condor]

the only thing drake wrapping is himself in a body bag

[shy pecan]

This card is harmless:

@spice spire thought otherwise

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right-gif-10368876

[junior aurora]

but quake that card is just worse talrand almost

[spice spire]

Free cycling exist bud

[shy pecan]

[junior aurora]

free counters and removal spells exist too

[shy pecan]

I was playing with a $65 deck 😛

[spice spire]

Next time we play (in three months) I’ll also bring budget

Instead of choosing not to strip lock people

[junior aurora]

all decks can be $65 if you source your cards unethically

[shy pecan]

Nah you’re good. I just like the challenges of like budget and other things

[spice spire]

Same

[junior aurora]

if wotc doesnt recognize the secondary market then why should i

[spice spire]

Real

Also

#1184252404397518918

[shy pecan]

Okok

[spice spire]

I’m detailing a chat that means something rn since buffs

Derailing

[muted ridge]

are raidbots updated already for Rogue buffs or should I wait till tmrw before simming? sorry if ppl already asked, only now noticed

[scenic otter]

Likely noob questions (apologies)… As to the prevalence of the cleave build in M+:

1. Is this primarily to boost ST/boss damage with minimal AOE loss?
2. To what extent is reaping the benefits of cleave build in M+ dependent on having S4 4-set, if at all? (Currently only have S4 2-set)

[spice spire]

99% sure it’ll be in nightly tomorrow

Maybe it was done today but k don’t think so

[shy pecan]

They won’t put those changes into raidbots ever until the changes hit live

[thorn fjord]

BUFFS

[spice spire]

So tomorrow it is

[spice spire]

4 pieces helps you extensively. Don’t think the builds change too much regardless. And cleave is to help with st afaik yes

[thorn fjord]

as it is written

[scenic otter]

Thx! So you think I’m better off running Shock until I complete the 4-set?

[spice spire]

You’re better off running whatever you’re most comfortable with, frankly

The reason there’s 600 builds is because they’re all viable

[scenic otter]

Gotcha, thx again

[spice spire]

[strange trail]

To macro ashes with kingsbane and shadowdance, would it look like this

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane
/cast 13

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[dark token]

Ashes first

Idk if it actually matters but just in case

[strange trail]

im using another one use trinket, and they share the same CD. So sometimes Ashes isnt always up right way

[dark token]

What

When you press that macro ashes will be used regardless if it is at start or end of the macro

[strange trail]

ooh

okay cool

ty!

[dark token]

I recommend at the start so the initial kingsbane hit

Uses it

I don't actually know if it matters for ability ordering in macros but I always order it like it does just in case

[strange trail]

like this

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast 13
/cast Kingsbane

?

[raw cedar]

Is Ashes for sure assa BIS trinket?

[spice surge]

yes

[raw cedar]

Thank you!!

[wild condor]

Should I get ashes with second bullion? Or the ring?

[still creek]

I feel like im doing more AoE with the Hybrid build than with shock, are they that similar or am i playing shock ''wrong''? 11-12 keys if that matter

[balmy condor]

ashes probably but you can just sim a droptimizer

[balmy condor]

that's really not a lot of info to go off of, but generally all the builds do similar damage, it's just how they do their damage. Shock spreads it out by pumping up bleeds, while hybrid and caustic move more towards dtb and kingsbane damage through spatter. Cleave and Hybrid can have higher bursts if the target lives the entirety of deathmark/kingsbane for example

that's also why generally shock gets recommended to the majority, playing cleave or hybrid is great and all but if you're little joey poophands running your first +6, nothing is surviving long enough to leverage kingsbane

so it just doesn't make sense to play that

[still creek]

Yea i guess im playing around my KB alot. Trying to keep up CT entire pull but garrotes and ruptures may fall of from a couple of mobs. Maybe the initial burst of KB Spatter carries my dps

[errant swallow]

What was your first?

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void pecan]

I got grieftorch with first because M+. If live is like PTR, we get 2 bulions for the weekly mythic dungeon weekly, so free item which is nice. I doubt that stays though.

[wild condor]

Grieftorch I use it mainly for sub and outlaw since I change spec for raid and m+

[errant swallow]

Thanks

I'm probably getting ring next, will have to sim it

[naive crane]

we get 2 bulions this week?

[past forum]

The reward on ptr for the mythics weekly was 2 buillons, afaik no confirmation that’s how it will go live (that’s the weekly for this upcoming week)

[still pewter]

Is the sim in pins with pi?

[spice surge]

no

[sturdy sequoia]

So 6% on next week ... what do you think? How far can the buff push sin forward? 🧐

[junior aurora]

about 6% or so

[wicked spire]

does it also make sense to macro in a DPS pot too?

[runic hinge]

Big if true

[spice surge]

Actually its more like 7%

[junior aurora]

if you're gonna macro dps pot macro it to deathmark

[spice surge]

Because bugfix

[runic hinge]

Huge

[spice surge]

Tragic part is im not sure thats enough

or well, enough to not be at rock bottom atleast

[strange trail]

personally I don't

macro my dps potions with it

[wicked spire]

might be at the limits of macros, but can you macro your whole opener (dps pot, deathmark, trinket, shadow dance, kingsbane)?

[junior aurora]

no

deathmark and kingsbane are both GCD

[shy pecan]

You also want to shiv in between as well

[strange trail]

don't you want to get all your bleeds up before you hit deathmark?

and do the whole burst window

Im just curious to see if im doing it right

[shy pecan]

Yeah, and a 5+ envenom as well

[gilded oasis]

and take a shot of vodka

[shy pecan]

And that

[junior aurora]

should be from what i remember: garrote, snd, garrote rupture, mutilate to 5+, envenom, deathmark, shiv, kingsbane

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[gilded oasis]

I like to DM then envenom shiv

[junior aurora]

as long as shiv is the last gcd before kingsbane you should be good

[shy pecan]

Who do you DM? Quake? Do you tell him he’s smelly?

[junior aurora]

tell him the drakes can't hurt him no more

[gilded oasis]

yeah and then we take the shot together

[strange trail]

okay so i have been doing it right, ty

[alpine nebula]

tbh assassination aoe dam is fine but it's painful that "assassination" boss damage is behind outlaw KIR by like 20% in M+ builds (and KIR isn't even fantastic boss damage - see devastation/BM/fire/etc)

big asterisk on fight length

prefer the shadowlands version where we had good funnel and great single target with mediocre overall dam

[spice surge]

Just go with the cleave build then?

[alpine nebula]

this is with the cleave build

would love to see more power in crimson tempest and not caustic spatter

scent of blood and sudden demise feel unimpactful

even though on paper they look ridiculously strong

sudden demise WOULD be stronger if crimson tempest and rupture were better - but rupture feels like a DOT we keep up just to fund more envenoms 🙃

[junior aurora]

sudden demise is pretty strong

people always forget the extra bleed damage it gives and only remember the execute

[balmy condor]

scent of blood is also ridiculously strong

if it were even a little bit stronger we'd start looking at it in single target

it's the next best option after dashing scoundrel and stuff

shit is bananas

[junior aurora]

yeah scent of blood basically does what people thought the fatebound capstone would do but instantly

instead of after like 35 flips in a row

[alpine nebula]

in cleave build rupture and garrote is aboooooooot 33% of my damage, 10% extra from sudden demise = 3% dmg

ignoring the execute part ofc

crimson tempest a bit more on top

[balmy condor]

the bleed capstone isn't good for a build that avoids talenting into bleed damage?

that's wild

[alpine nebula]

we trying to have a discussion here or you just takingt cheap shots

crimson tempest isn't going to add a whole lot

I'll run the sim for you

[balmy condor]

what is your definition of "a whole lot"

[junior aurora]

🤦‍♂️

[alpine nebula]

enough to justify adding negligible damage to the boss

[balmy condor]

cause crimson tempest easily is like 12-13% on its own

counting up all the bleed damage with garrote, rupture, ct, sanguine, the bleeds from deathmark

you can get 50% or more

that would put the 10% bleed buff at around 5%

and the execute is another 4ish% on top

it's a nebulous 9% for sure

but it's in no way weak

[spice surge]

Even if youre doing like very high keys and the execute is worth less (something like 2%), its still a good talent

[balmy condor]

and it follows up scent of blood, which is also crazy strong

[alpine nebula]

scent of blood is great on trash, no issues there

single target less value

here's a breakdown for lulz: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/74LkDAaKPwxt8iMfJm6aTC

and the cost to single target is massive

[waxen oyster]

is this guy actually talking sim damage

for m+ bosses

[balmy condor]

I mean his example is fine

[waxen oyster]

i meant on the 20% behind outlaw kir

[balmy condor]

yeah that's kinda the thing

I'm not arguing about the single target

I'm arguing about scent and sd not being impactful

when they just objectively are

[waxen oyster]

also why do people sim 5 target 5mins

when does that ever happen

[alpine nebula]

its a bleed breakdown

[balmy condor]

like if you wanna complain that the single target is bad in your opinion, sure fine whatever

you value single target really high

and that's fine

but the trade-off is definitely there

you gain that damage back

[runic hinge]

it's why i refresh CT early to get bigger demise procs to pad my overall

[junior aurora]

i vanish and reapply garrote to get the shrouded suffocation back up

"oops didnt mean to deathmark that mob but did you see my overall at the end there"

[gusty mirage]

shadow priest gets sudden demise?

[ruby helm]

we think the assassination buffs will make it compete with outlaw at all m+"

[runic hinge]

I’ve done 4 assa keys this patch

[gusty mirage]

[shy pecan]

Play dargon instead 🙂

[worthy surge]

Really ? Cause I stop playing rogue this season cause sin felt bad in keys and I'm kinda over outlaw

[bronze pike]

both specs would be solid for m+

depends how far your gonn try and push obviously

[runic hinge]

I'm playing spriest and it's super fun

[ruby helm]

I meant to ask as a question hit wrong button lol. Im just wondering myself

[worthy surge]

Honestly I'm happy if it does well in keys like 10s and Above

[bronze pike]

both specs were able to do well in 10+ keys before the sin buff. so this is just extra iceing on the cake. have fun fren

[true condor]

guys i have a question, like i am non-knowledge player for assa, do we use deathmark-vanish- improve garr or vanish-improve garr-deathmark

[drifting cloud]

none of those bac :d

[true condor]

[gilded oasis]

im winnin

[runic hinge]

Imagine you get 6% more tomorrow

[gilded oasis]

[split jewel]

is that 6% with the bug fix?

[balmy condor]

read pins

the sim in there simply is the 6%, not counting the bug fix in any way

[tall jay]

@balmy condor did you guys get all your mounts?

[balmy condor]

just need to clear heroic awakened amirdrassil for the season mounts

but we got all the fyrakk mounts yes

[tall jay]

Cool.

We couldn’t get broodkeeper the first week so raz still haunts us lol

[junior aurora]

only gotta do normal

look at you guys going above and beyond

[balmy condor]

brother we do heroic with like a third of the raid full afk

we aren't going into normal

[tall jay]

lol

[junior aurora]

could all be afk in normal

tab in for every 10th gcd like a true raider

[fresh kelp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[halcyon turret]

Guys after the buffs how far behind is assassination in terms of dmg in keys rn ? I always loved the spec and was wondering if its really THAT much worse than sub and Outlaw as some people say

[alpine nebula]

worse than outlaw in nearly every regard

but its playable in 10s

(also way beyond 10s)

[halcyon turret]

I see, ty

[alpine nebula]

I'd guess aroudn B tier of these specs: https://mythicstats.com/dps

[halcyon turret]

Ahh okay thats nice, ill still play it then thx for the quick response 🙂

[fresh kelp]

Do you guys use Whispyr/Ceverion's Plater or something like Quaziis?

[spice spire]

Cev

[runic hinge]

Cev’s always

[slate crown]

Cev

[balmy condor]

whispyr

no relation

[fresh kelp]

After KB should my next two globals be refreshing garrote AND Rupture? Or just Garrote and let my original rupture run its course?

[high jetty]

Quazi’s is honestly so good

[fresh kelp]

I like Quazis, but I dont like how it doesn't have the script to show my dots are running out

[balmy condor]

just the garrote

[high jetty]

Garrote ambush envenom

[balmy condor]

the bush

[high jetty]

Order Depending on CPS, but generally those are the 3 globals in dance

[balmy condor]

mr president another gcd has hit the stealth window

[high jetty]

Isn’t it

[balmy condor]

it is

my brain is just melted

[high jetty]

I swear you said that in a video. lol

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna go back to writing

[high jetty]

And I just follow blindly

[balmy condor]

you're correct

dw

[high jetty]

Phewf

[balmy condor]

fatebound review article has given me late stage brainrot

I'm shitposting

[high jetty]

I am so excited about fatebound honestly

[balmy condor]

I am excited about not having to argue about fatebound

[high jetty]

Have you been arguing about it?

[balmy condor]

more than you know

[high jetty]

Oh damn.

I think it’s super fun. I like RNG in specs

[balmy condor]

youtube comments would heavily disagree with you

[high jetty]

Casuals

[drifting cloud]

[high jetty]

Playing the soul conduit/whispers of the dark slot machine in legion affliction as some of the most fun I’ve ever had

[balmy condor]

I called the tree good but concerning and a guy hit me with the "you're lucky there's no blizzcon this year or I would've found your fucking ass"

[high jetty]

That’s wild

[runic hinge]

maybe to eat it

[drifting cloud]

damn you missed a good time

[high jetty]

That was me, and I meant it with love

[balmy condor]

the salt mines are going crazy

[junior aurora]

sorry did i come on too strong

[balmy condor]

people saying they're gonna quit rogue because of fatebound

and that rogue is ruined

[high jetty]

Wow played are so wild lol

[balmy condor]

it's a wonderful time

[agile osprey]

But who will give my guild a 3% DR if I quit?

[fresh kelp]

Im hopeful Deathstalker is a solid tree, i'll always enjoy the Assass aesthetic regardless, so i stick to my rogue

[high jetty]

I’m sure it will be some rupture cooking

And very on brand for SIN

For those not man enough to flip coins

[bright turret]

hate rng, but as long as it doesn't swing as wildly as old outlaw it's w/e

seems like it could be potentially very nasty execute too

[high jetty]

Yeah RNG is divisive for sure. I think some is good

FoK in 8 targets for one CP for example, is bad RNG lol

[keen spruce]

this is just a manifestation of many patches of frustration

and people requiring miracles to stick around

also 99% of them are just lyin

they're still gonna play rogue 👇

[silk bane]

already quit rogue

rogues riuined

[keen spruce]

just gonna complain about it

[bright turret]

think people just see "RNG" and are mad without actually seeing what the swings even are

[runic hinge]

"it sucks playing this shit, and I'm fucking addicted"

[keen spruce]

hello stu food-provider

[silk bane]

checkout the spriest mog. im going brrrr

[balmy condor]

king I would never lie to you

[silk bane]

NO TIER NO TRINKETS STILL DOING 300K OVERALLS WERE SO BACK

[balmy condor]

that mog is fugly

[silk bane]

HEART = BROKEN

DREAMS = DEAD

[keen spruce]

imma be honestly honest

[junior aurora]

mans rocking the shadowlands levelling mog and says it looks good

yikes

[runic hinge]

He's being a good boy today

[keen spruce]

that mog is rather dookey

[bright turret]

level 70, so that must be a TBC clown suit mog yea ?

[silk bane]

i only need to replace my shoulder back glove trinket taht are 424

get 4 pc

get vakash

2 trinketss

and we're just winnin

[keen spruce]

the wep+helm+shoulders+chest just lookin like you intentionally chose 4 things that are neither similar nor complimentary

[silk bane]

i did go out of my way to do that yes

thanks for noticing!

this is the NYC fashion week mog

no one gets it

everyoners confused

[keen spruce]

[silk bane]

but no one can talk shit

cuz theyd get made fun of for not getting it

[junior aurora]

ngl you sounding like a drake diss track rn

"i made it bad on purpose to make fun of you for thinking it was bad"

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[silk bane]

alright new #assassination on topic

i hate those "whos winning" tiktos

so much

[runic hinge]

this has never happened to me before

[silk bane]

you never played sin before?

[runic hinge]

I usually don't have a hard time getting groups

[junior aurora]

i like you reporting the ones that decline you

thats real shit

[runic hinge]

lmfao

[rotund oak]

that's what she said 🤣

[neat plank]

Thats not sin, thats low ilvl

[balmy condor]

its you brother, you're winning

[tribal hornet]

sorry if someone has already asked but was the bug they fixed something actually impactful on dps or just a kinda rare thing?

[balmy condor]

2% dps

the 2 set was lowering attack damage proportional to the attack speed increase

cause it used the wrong effect modifier

[tribal hornet]

wtf thats such a weird problem lmao, ty

[rotund oak]

we are so back

[balmy condor]

it's just a really old attack speed modifier

it worked fine back in vanilla and burning crusade

but it modifies weapon speed, not attack speed

and weapon speed is not something that really exists anymore as a concept in the same way

so all of the damage calculations that happen don't use it anymore

ergo, spaghetti

[woeful meteor]

that's a weird looking dwarf for this season

[waxen oyster]

wasnt there also a funny spaghetti like that in df s1

i know pvpers were complaining numbing was using classic client logic

and it was a -haste %

[tribal hornet]

spaghetti code is so funny after like 20 years of a game

[waxen oyster]

rather than attack speed

[rotund oak]

nice now i am hungry

[split jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-we-are-so-back-nightcrawler-lou-bloom-gif-15162091166909902657

[silk bane]

why be a dwarf when u can meld

also my aug better have a caut macro for me

[silk bane]

we're both winners

we just flip 99 heads shrimple

[bright turret]

the 2 set fix is going to be 2% more damage? So that + 6% aura?

"slightly less damage" made me think like less than .5%

[balmy condor]

yes

it's like 7ish% overall

[bright turret]

big gains

[rotund oak]

[bright turret]

we're gonna get PI'd past sub and then 3% nerfed or sub will get buffed

[quiet oar]

Well, i wish that would be the case. But i think they are just dumb tbh

[rotund oak]

sub's gettin' a buff as well

my magic ball says so

[bright turret]

i'm curious to see if it does

its still decently solid, but will sin be allowed to compete with it

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/good-movies-rule-gmr-avengers-end-game-movie-don't-give-me-hope-hawkeye-gif-9699367132154830787

[turbid sandal]

That would make me happy, so it won't happen.

[true rapids]

How is spiteful storm for ass? I got heroic one in my vault last week and its bis for sub so been rocking that + grief.

[balmy condor]

if it's a 10 minute fight, mediocre

[steel ridge]

i would have chosen 2 sockets

[balmy condor]

if it's less than 10 minutes, awful

[drifting cloud]

is it actually bis for sub or are those some s1 memes

[true rapids]

according to bloodmallet and fuus sheet its bis or top 4

[drifting cloud]

I see, its been a while I forgot what made it good back in the first place

[true rapids]

its been doing about 4-5% of my dmg so far

[true rapids]

i'll do some sims with what I have but might be a next bullion angle to play ass, this weeks is going towards eggnog ring

[pseudo hamlet]

Isn't egg-nogg like one of the last things to buy for bullion? Wouldn't high ilvl dagger/cloak/trinkets be better options? Especially knowing that the ring is "easily" farmable

[runic hinge]

Ring is free damage and also a “rare” drop and most classes will be needing on it

Not thaaat easily farmable. Like the boss is easy but you’re probably rolling against 18 other people if it even drops

[hexed tinsel]

also its really good ring for all rogue specs innit?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[true rapids]

already got 428 dagger and grieftorch cloak I can get later too

[grim jay]

I mean ring is definitely a good choice if you got a socket vault and have atleast heroic weapon and some good trinkets

[pseudo hamlet]

Reasonable! Had similar situation and Ashes/Cloak were higher upgrade for me than the ring itself. Though the reason for that could be the other mythic ring I've got already.

[grim jay]

Yeah if you got high ilvl rings already it aint that big

Buying an early mythic dagger was the only option that seemed wasted to me

With the amount of decent daggers in the game

[sharp viper]

yup, especially since a lot of them drop on early bosses (terros, kazzara, igira)

[grim jay]

Yeah those are easily puggable even if your guild wants to focus on 1 raid

And cant full clear multiple

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

[royal python]

Did sin get buffed, what was the buff any idea

[runic hinge]

Check the pins

[balmy condor]

here i'll click it

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-dragonflight-class-tuning-on-weekly-reset-vengeance-dh-nerf-balance-339230

[grim jay]

Dang Whispyr always ahead of everyone else

[shy pecan]

lol why did Oxi make that disclaimer?

[balmy condor]

cause soviet was being a weirdo

[shy pecan]

[grim jay]

The fix that people wouldnt even notice if they werent told. They would just think they have a good day

[royal lantern]

"damm my kb roll high today'

[royal python]

Doesn't the pin just say buff without saying what's the exact buff

[shy pecan]

#assassination message

[royal lantern]

its flat dmg

nothing specific

just more dmg

[royal python]

Ok ty

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/aura-aura-aura-aura-aura-exchange-aura-batttle-gif-5900458108271037543

[royal python]

But the buff hasn't gone live on EU yet has it

[royal lantern]

we didnt had reset yet

so no

[grim jay]

Who cares for classbuffs

We get speedbuff bags

I wish they did more with the mount "gear" stuff instead

[royal lantern]

like what

i have my "cant be dazed" and wont ever take it off lol

[grim jay]

Idk, funny stuff. Maybe some glyphs or other cosmetic stuff that can be added

Currently they might aswell make the dazed thing permanent and remove the feature

[rigid sphinx]

Yo, do you guys know how details can mesure dps without reseting every time i vanish ?

[grim jay]

Reset it and use dynamic overall

Instead of damage done

[rigid sphinx]

i'll try thanks

[royal python]

Why should sin sim higher after tier bug fix in live, shouldn't the sim be "bug free"

[balmy condor]

the sim is bug-free before and after

if you sim on nightly right now the sim includes the bug

[rotund oak]

im now trying to find the difference between nightly and weekly

[balmy condor]

it's 2%

[rotund oak]

yeah thats a good indication what pre-fix and post fix looks like

so what nightly does is simulating the current live version

weekly to updated versions right?

i see on advanced sim that there is a ''latest'' version

do i press it?

im pressing it,what could go wrong

[quiet oar]

Ok, but wouldnt oxi need to make a dislaimer daily then?

[formal spear]

Hello fellow rogues !
Sorry to ask for help, I was wondering : in mono target fight, in which context, you use vanish ?
I usually use my shadow dance as soon as KIngsbane is up, but I never have Kingsbane up without Shadow Dance, so I legit never use Vanish

[royal lantern]

you use vanish at the last 3 seconds of kingsbane

for nightstalker dmg + master assassin crit fishing

[digital folio]

I line up vanish with DM and use it at the end to proc master assassin on kingsbane

[formal spear]

Ooooh

So you get crits on the last ticks of Kingsbane that should have powered up damages from applying Deadly Poison + Amplifying poison, correct ?

[digital folio]

Pretty much, that's why you try to line up SD as well with kingsbane to also get the crit increase

[formal spear]

I though that if you put a bleeding/poison effect during Nightstalker, it powers it up for the duration of the DoT. Have I missunderstood that and it's only powered up during Camouflage, regardless of if it was applied before or after you entered it ?

[digital folio]

I think refreshing garrote is fine, but it s better to still use envenom if you have already ruptures rolling

[formal spear]

Damn that changes everything

(I was refreshing garrote & rupture + kingsbane during vanish/SD)

Thanks !

[digital folio]

Garrote is fine it generates combo points but for your finisher you should always prio envenom to proc set bonus

[rotund oak]

the last 2 ticks of Kingsbane hit rly hard

if u crit on those its a smol nuke

u have to buff that chance as much as u can

thats why u vanish in the last 3 sec

i think whispyr yt guides highlight every possible aspect of sin's rotation

[formal spear]

That changes EVERYTHING

[quiet oar]

I mean its always 50/50 anyways

[rotund oak]

its highly adviced

[quiet oar]

Either it crits or it doesnt

(im joking)

[formal spear]

I understand why I was only 10% in monotarget parses ...

This made me miss at least half of my burst damages

[rotund oak]

sin KB windows

VERY important

u can skip a date with ur gf

u cant miss the KB rotation

[formal spear]

LMAO

[rotund oak]

😅

[quiet oar]

Just put the KB on her ???

Problem solved

[rotund oak]

bro she got me chained

im done for

[balmy condor]

jokes on you

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

my gf

is kb

[quiet oar]

Its your Bane King whisp

[balmy condor]

(she beats me)

[quiet oar]

(You like it)

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

[rotund oak]

alpha discord energy vibes

[balmy condor]

discords search function still in alpha

still can't search threads btw

[polar pendant]

yoo is the buff huge or okay ?

[balmy condor]

fucking dogshit app

[balmy condor]

depending how you wanna count it, it's between 5.5 and 7.5%

[polar pendant]

would say okay then

[quiet oar]

Finally beating DH tanks

[balmy condor]

I mean that's pretty big compared to the average buffs things get

[royal lantern]

lets not get ahead of ourself

[gusty oak]

whispyr.. do you think assa gonna be decent/good after they buff it?

[quiet oar]

Well DHs get a nerf too

[balmy condor]

yeah

[grim jay]

Beating brewmaster now, they got nerfed aswell

[balmy condor]

the only thing brewmaster is beating is themselves

fucking alcoholic ass

[grim jay]

We got a brewmaster main, he really is beat up after running a key

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Bro sweating after 30 mins of HP Bar ping pong if he does m+

[quiet oar]

So you are a Brewmaster IRL?

[balmy condor]

call my balls the HP bar

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Then id gladly be your brewmaster

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

[inner token]

i

[subtle tundra]

im a rot mechanic

[grim jay]

Because you slowly suck the HP Bar dry?

[subtle tundra]

🤑

[grim jay]

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

how many romanian pesos or whatever for an hour

[vestal wren]

you can sim weekly atm still without the bug, the pinned sim sims with weekly. so it includes the bugfix

(weekly gets re-build every reset, and the bug was added to simc between the last reset)

[subtle tundra]

150 lei = ~$30, best drain in the whole of eastern europe

🤑

[vestal wren]

basically, yesterday:
weekly simc version - has no 2p bug
nightly/latest - has the 2p bug
but weekly did re-build today, so its with the bug atm.

[rotund oak]

❤️

that took a while but thx

[vestal wren]

i explained it yesterday too, but it got lost in the discussion

oh wait

think weekly did rebuild already today

okay, this means sims on raidbots for the time till reset are with bug

[rotund oak]

yeah pretty much

thats what i thought while trying to sim

[muted ridge]

so realistically we should sim weekly without bug right ?

[vestal wren]

you could have

yesterday

but today, it rebuild so this workaround is gone

the bug is worth ~2% dps

[hollow dirge]

pretty decent buff all together then. i did not forsee the bug to be 2% worth

[vestal wren]

its overall:
2% from bugfix
~5% from aura buff

[quiet oar]

7% buff is kinda in line

[vestal wren]

so not bad

[digital folio]

How to you manage to SIM at 350k DPS ? Is it st ? I barely reach 250k in my Sims

[quiet oar]

like middle of pack?

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal wren]

^ its the profile from the sheet

[rotund oak]

sub buffs are next on the line btw

[digital folio]

So I guess it's full bis ? Still 100k diff seems huge

[vestal wren]

i don't expect subtlety to get any change

[subtle tundra]

it would be crazy for sub to get buffed

craaazy

[rotund oak]

sub's getting some candy

i think sin gonna get a lil bit more btw

but my antenas arent fully alligned yet

and there is a solar storm

magnetic field and all

[subtle tundra]

thats crazy cope

[vestal wren]

depends on your item level, the diffrence bwteen s3 and s4 gear is quite a bit

[rotund oak]

yup

[subtle tundra]

the lil bit more should be a hefty 15% kb dmg nerf and compensation buffs afterwards

[vestal wren]

subtlety just works very well with the short kill timers

[rotund oak]

sin is more likely to get an aoe qol with fok

[vestal wren]

so it is actually slightly better than you would expect it from a sim

[rotund oak]

clip it and ship it

[subtle tundra]

we will be getting sub 2 min mythic kill timers

[quiet oar]

Slam PI on Sin

And ist prolly in the upper third

[uneven summit]

Call to suffering doesn´t stack does it?

[rotund oak]

btw whats the dps gain from the fire ring?its about 0.5% for sin but what about sub

or wait do you hav ethat on a pin

[balmy condor]

stack with what

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-german-flag-germany-trikot-gif-12722037627503073743

[vestal wren]

depends on your embellishments

[uneven summit]

multiple procs

[balmy condor]

of the trinket?

[uneven summit]

yea

[rotund oak]

double bsl bis for both specs so x2 bsl

[balmy condor]

it procs like once every 15 hours

[uneven summit]

what if Chromie and Nozdormu put together their power and made those 15 hours into 5 seconds apart

would they then stack?

[balmy condor]

honestly? no fucking clue

would be crazy

I would assume it wouldn't

most things like that don't stack

they would refresh the duration

[rotund oak]

🤯

[uneven summit]

Yeah that´s what i figured, just can´t find any info on it

[uneven summit]

Yeah i think so too

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't be able to find anything either

I don't think anyone has ever made it proc within itself

that trinket has such a depressingly low proc rate, I'm not sure it's even possible to double proc

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Tm9BhAVVbCXVE4LcwvLxk

will take a bit to run

[rotund oak]

ty dear fuu

[quiet oar]

[vestal wren]

seems to be 0.5%

[rotund oak]

yup .5% as well

so igira dagger drops for me on reset and i get ring

🤝

[royal python]

Why is the recommended rotation vanish at end of kb n dance at start. Why not flip those two around

[balmy condor]

cause it's worse to do that

[subtle tundra]

my best guess is so you can get the dmg snapshot for the 2nd kb

you cant do that if you dont have shadow dance at the start

[royal python]

Hmm yes, thanks

[balmy condor]

timing issues is indeed a problem

[quiet oar]

SD gives you nightstalker Snapshot and vanish gives you Masterassasin

[balmy condor]

tira been yellow too long

bros brain melted

[quiet oar]

Well

Am i wrong

[balmy condor]

I mean yes

KB doesn't give you nightstalker, dance does

[quiet oar]

Oh

[balmy condor]

but regardless of that, vanish also gives you nightstalker

[quiet oar]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

they give the same in terms of crit and ns

so

im not really sure what you're trying to say

[quiet oar]

Wait SD gives Master assasin too?

[balmy condor]

yes

[quiet oar]

Oh well

Oh yeah the wording

[balmy condor]

that's why they nerfed ma in the first place

[quiet oar]

Ye i mean

The wording is weird

for vanish

because sometimes

Vanish counts and sometimes not

[balmy condor]

vanish is true stealth

vanish always counts

[quiet oar]

You are right

My brain rot

I meant Subterfug

Lets pretend this enver happened ok

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

If i keep the pace of rotting, i might have to reroll Affli for Soul rot

ngl

[royal python]

Why am I still simming same

[quiet oar]

Its not reset day

[normal mist]

Unless he's NA

Are you NA?

[quiet oar]

Well

What i mean

NA didnt have reset

[normal mist]

I know what you mean just wanted to joke around

:3

[quiet oar]

i think after reset or tomorrow its in raidbots

[quiet oar]

Im already diagnosed with Brain rot by Whisp

I need to keep the last bit of sanity somehow

[normal mist]

He can't diagnose it, he plays assa, he's not mentally capable of doing it

[quiet oar]

So he gaslits me

[primal jolt]

bro whats up with all outlaw rogues being so shit

how am i out dpsing all of them

actually embarassing

[quiet oar]

They play KIR

and there is no guide for it

except in this discord

[normal mist]

I find HO so much fun

[quiet oar]

Well as HO

You do less DMG

but its not as punishing

[normal mist]

Still parsing purple and doing 350-400k m+ overalls

Which is fun

[willow grotto]

What was the bug of tier set ?

[normal mist]

Doing less DMG than intended I believe

[quiet oar]

Its completely fine

When my mates try outlaw, i always tell them try HO first

[normal mist]

I like the fast playstyle actually

Brrrrrrrrr

[errant swallow]

Good morning buffed people

[willow grotto]

I know that, what I want to know is why

[normal mist]

Because potato, idk

XD

I didn't saw info on the why anywhere

Just that it got fixed

[willow grotto]

Ok ok 👍

[normal mist]

Idk if anything is Stated on the pins

It isn't

[willow grotto]

Pin on phone are bugged 😂

[normal mist]

I can access them pretty well on phone

[willow grotto]

Ah no, last version solve it

[normal mist]

Idk never had problems with pins

[willow grotto]

Since 2 month when i check pin i see « Baron von transmog » message for artifact appearence 😂

But now is fix

Half fix

[normal mist]

Now that's weird

[balmy condor]

was lowering melee damage

[willow grotto]

Oh ok, potato code 😂😂

[royal lantern]

discord mobile "updates" in a nutshell

[indigo mulch]

Oxi is hot.

[grim jay]

[arctic socket]

[quiet oar]

KInda based take

[royal python]

Why do they say OL is high apm, isn't it 1 sec gcd capped

[balmy condor]

Adr is 0.8

Only spec in the game that can go under 1

[normal mist]

But between each 0.8 GCD we press the abilities 15 times

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/spike-monkey-typing-gif-10973398

Outlaw pov

[normal mist]

False

Low apm

[solar tangle]

[normal mist]

Best part is ace procs in those 0.8 seconds

And deciding to either BtE or any other ability

[grim jay]

Its rather "higher" apm aswell instead of high apm, since its relative to the other specs and nothing in WoW is particularly high apm

Even desperately queueing left and right for keys to not get accepted anyways is capped

[arctic socket]

Fury warrior is up there

[quiet oar]

Like Whisp said 0.8 sec global and some Off GCDs stuffs

[spice spire]

Some

[quiet oar]

Bind pick pocket on any ability

To cheese apm

[spice spire]

Outlaw pov

[quiet oar]

The faster, the better

(Its now always true)

[thorn fjord]

8 hour maintenance?

[subtle tundra]

Yea sorry

[thorn fjord]

All your fault Varas

[royal lantern]

spam detection on dead gcds

[lavish jasper]

For pure science folks. Do we know if Sims account for Ruby Whelp training?

Or if there is a setting to sim Trained/Untrained?

[quiet oar]

You have to choose it

in Raidbots

You only sim it fully trained

[lavish jasper]

Oh ye ur right, it's literally right there ;D

[normal mist]

There's a chance on 2 bullions rewards with the weekly

I hope it stays like that

Having another on demand item w3 would be really good

[quiet oar]

Tbh

For a "real" season this owuld be the perfec tfit

to distribute Buillons/Dinars

Like Mythic Dungeon Event is like 5 weeks apart

and you have to fully upgrade it

[normal mist]

I could see this being a thing in real seasons

It's just so GOOD

[quiet oar]

like bad luck protection

every 5 weeks

where you can just buy your bis item

[split jewel]

or for xmog, because none of the casters will let you have the intel dagger

[thorn fjord]

Nah everyone should suffer if they have bad rng @quiet oar

[quiet oar]

[spice spire]

Tell him tiramil

Hope he keeps that same energy with fatebound rng

[thorn fjord]

My RNG is already trash

Ive accepted my fate

[quiet oar]

Trash man, trash rng

[dawn karma]

This may have already been posted, but do we think that 6% buff is actually going to matter numbers wise? I don't know the math well enough to have an opinion I trust.

[quiet oar]

It is what it is

(Im joking)

[normal mist]

Pins

[dawn karma]

thanks.

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-trash-man-im-the-trash-man-iasip-danny-devito-gif-15616885

IM THE TRASH MAN

[dawn karma]

My guild server name is the Dethroned Trash Queen. Damn frost mage took my title.

[gusty mirage]

I agree we should burn all the wizards

wait what

[thorn fjord]

You're a wizard Harry

https://tenor.com/view/your-a-wizard-youtube-harry-hargrid-jotty-gif-20213313

[pliant terrace]

are toxic thornwraps ok for assassination? how much worse are they than 2x bsl?

[thorn fjord]

They arent awful

Will work

I'm currently running them with patch

Prob switch to bsl eventually but its not a huge handicap

[gusty mirage]

not enough for you to go out of your way to recraft anything

[thorn fjord]

Yeah exactly

[pliant terrace]

awesome thanks guys

[gusty mirage]

only reason you'd ever recraft to 2xBSL is if you plan on triple speccing

cause like I guess mastery isn't completely shit for outlaw in m+

[pliant terrace]

so if I got toxic thornwraps week 1 its ok to upgrade my patch piece as long as I get bsl somewhere down the line?

[thorn fjord]

It kinda is

[gusty mirage]

ye, plus you could always recraft the patch one to BSL later on

[thorn fjord]

Like it could be worse but its still gross

[gusty mirage]

it is a safe upgrade imo

[pliant terrace]

sweet thanks

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

I havent even bothered simming bsl for my set @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

you're just a pirate rogue now

and that's okay

[thorn fjord]

I dont even know what it does LMAO

[gusty mirage]

as long as you're having fun, that's all that matters

it gives you a fuckton of mastery

[spice spire]

Gabagool spec tho

[thorn fjord]

Ah

[gusty mirage]

2x max ilvl BSL is like 2.2k mastery or something bonkers

[thorn fjord]

Oh that would be really nice for sub/sin then yeah

[gusty mirage]

ye

also BSL scales better with ilvl than the other embellishments and thats the main reason it wins

[hearty reef]

1042 mastery one bsl

[gusty mirage]

because realistically they're all pretty assington city

[thorn fjord]

Im not even gonna bother with shadowcraft thing either... I upgraded my toxic thorn yesterday... prob upgrade slimy a few weeks down after upgrading patch

[gusty mirage]

tbh helm enchant + grief is like way more than enough

shadowpatch stinky

[thorn fjord]

Toxic Thorn to 526 was a 3.5% upgrade in ST which was nice

[gusty mirage]

what trinkets does outlaw even run

grief + what

for ST

[thorn fjord]

Grief bomb in ST

[gusty mirage]

oh yeah

[hearty reef]

La bomba

[gusty mirage]

bomba + helm enchant + grief = procs the ring enough

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

you're bing chilling

[thorn fjord]

Gonna hold bullions till after mythic tonight... if Thorncaller drops i can get ring

Lets see what happens

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'm gonna get the eggnog ring on my pala

it's between that and ashes

[thorn fjord]

How big is ashes on ret?

[gusty mirage]

but I feel like eggnog ring might beat out 20ilvl to ashes

pretty biggly

I have a heroic anvil

otherwise I'd get that

[thorn fjord]

Eggnog only like 1.3% upgrade for my ST set =/

I want an ash to jump in to sin but still no decent dagger =/

[gusty mirage]

"only"

for a full statted ring with a free damage proc

lmao

[thorn fjord]

Thorn still like 3% lol

[gusty mirage]

u funny

yeah but you said a ring, that literally has full stats as any other ring

• a free damage proc

was "only" a 1.3% upgrade

[thorn fjord]

semantics

i do want the ring though

[gusty mirage]

brother people are farming dawn of the infinite for like a .7% OH upgrade

[thorn fjord]

Dont tell anybody... but ive been doing it too

lol

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire

too late

[thorn fjord]

Atleast its just 2 runs a week and only to the second boss

[gusty mirage]

just told quake

[spice spire]

That’s crazy

Didn’t ask

[hearty reef]

Nick is that lucury drop

You can boast about

[thorn fjord]

or cry about

pick your poison

[hearty reef]

We all cry about it until it drops

[gusty mirage]

wow

you've changed

[spice spire]

Ik

Toxic piece of shit these days

[gusty mirage]

nah my weapon's pretty secure homie

[hearty reef]

Based pinkie

[quiet oar]

[hearty reef]

Enjoying the ez life

[spice spire]

U changed

[gusty mirage]

I get to unga bunga

and do million+ dps every pull

pretty chill tbh

have utility for like every situation

[gusty mirage]

ur mom

[potent raven]

finished 334k dps in bh not bad for 2nd playing

[thorn fjord]

The Holy man

[potent raven]

assa so fun xD

[gusty mirage]

assa is a blast in keys

[potent raven]

yeah but i miss acro

its so hard to position there as melee

[hearty reef]

Play acro then

[potent raven]

a lot of stuff that 1 shots u

[hearty reef]

Fuck tea

[gusty mirage]

nah you want tea

[potent raven]

yeah but u need tea

for kingsbane

mastery buff etc

[gusty mirage]

you drop deeper and alacrity

take acro + lethality

[quiet oar]

How is your stance on CT oxi

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[quiet oar]

And why do you hate Soviet

[potent raven]

wait what do i drop

oh

[thorn fjord]

CT is worse than Soviet

[hearty reef]

Second from left column

[quiet oar]

Its a meme

[hearty reef]

All three point

[potent raven]

this?

[gusty mirage]

yep

[potent raven]

ok ez ty :3

playable spec now

[gusty mirage]

it's like "slightly" worse

but you get acro

which is a dps gain on its own tbh

[potent raven]

yeah honestly just having acro

is so much easier

[thorn fjord]

I think people underestimate qol stuff

[quiet oar]

Because Soviet was very passionate about CT in S3

[thorn fjord]

Being passionate about that shit button is bonkers

I hate ct

[gusty mirage]

my feelings on CT are whatever

literally couldn't care less about it

[potent raven]

what is ct

[gusty mirage]

crimson tempest

[potent raven]

i like it on fortified

its good pad

12% of my dps

[thorn fjord]

Meh it’s a boring attempt at bleed spread

[gusty mirage]

wdym

it's always been a bleed spread

[thorn fjord]

Just another plate to spin

[gusty mirage]

it's literally been a bleed

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I know

[gusty mirage]

its entire existence

[potent raven]

im playing the full pad tree

[thorn fjord]

I’ve always hated it

[quiet oar]

Well

atleast you dotn spam it

anymore

[gusty mirage]

true

[thorn fjord]

Still have nightmares of CT in ST

[gusty mirage]

there's no shot

[thorn fjord]

SL… good times 🤣

[gusty mirage]

that 1 season of CT in ST traumatized you like that

[quiet oar]

Im glad

I played Outlaw and sub

in that season

[thorn fjord]

Th at season felt like it lasted forever tho

[quiet oar]

I mean

it kinda did

[spice spire]

Hater

[quiet oar]

becasue it was Sepulcher and fated

[quiet oar]

Hater? I hardly Know'er!

[thorn fjord]

What’s funny is I was playing really well those two seasons

I got 3rd overall on sausage

And a couple other top 20s

Take me back to pre patch OL tho @quiet oar

[quiet oar]

Well

It was a fun Outlaw iteration

ngl

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/pxin-gxng-zxdiac-lunar-divine-gif-22544952

Obedience

[potent raven]

how do i decide what talents to ever take

[dark token]

This was the best assa rotation

I'm not biased

[potent raven]

i dont take ct on tyra week i guess

[spice spire]

I played warrior last fated

[dark token]

Any time you use an aoe ability in st rotation is GOATEd

Because you can't be accused of pad

For taking CT

[spice spire]

It’s a lot of trial and error

If you have a static group it makes it easier

[thorn fjord]

That logic isn’t awful

[spice spire]

Because every build has specific niches that it excels at

But if you’re pugging you kinda have to guess or find one you like best

[gusty mirage]

what if I'd like you to shut up and go back to work

what about that

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-simon-cowell-britains-got-talent-this-is-amazing-this-is-impressive-gif-612585323867554481

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I’m gonna kiss you on the fucking mouth if you sass me again

[potent raven]

so this tree no sd and no ct seems fine

on tyra

[quiet oar]

You would never do that....or maybe??

[spice spire]

Test me

[quiet oar]

Im too afraid

[potent raven]

i see

[gusty mirage]

seems fine tbh

[quiet oar]

Uncle Oxi has to test you

[potent raven]

i want to top the meters tho

so i play ct