assassination

[jaunty dew]

Is there any news on what's happening with rogues for TWW? Seems assassination is still absent from any talks of Hero talents or talent rework in general.

Seems Warlocks and Mages (as usual) get a lot of attention xD

[spice surge]

No news

[jaunty dew]

Well, let's get the copium on.

[lusty kraken]

assassination nerfed, sub buffed, outlaw being meta is 50/50

[jaunty dew]

Oh that's just the usual. I mained Sin throughout all of DF until S4 where I broke down and went shadow priest.

I didn't feel like playing the exact same thing for another 3 months.

And unless TWW hero talents do something fresh with the class I doubt I'll reroll back to it.

[lusty kraken]

it already happened twice

[spice surge]

Going from a mid/low tier spec to the best spec in the game, very clever

[lusty kraken]

so why not a 3rd time

[jaunty dew]

Can you blame someone for wanting to enjoy the class/spec their playing?

Been wanting to go rdps for a while now, maybe I should have gone affliction warlock eh?

[royal lantern]

Missinformation? i call it future sight

just remove the "sub buffed" with "sub is strong but gets ignored"

[lusty kraken]

whenever they will post the rogue changes or hero talents, I'll ask realz how many weeks we'll be able to enjoy the spec before it gets nerfed into irrelevancy

maybe we'll be lucky and it will survive heroic week

[primal jolt]

here's future sight

aug gets buffed

so they have to nerf ass again

[royal lantern]

that was never the problem

the problem was that aug hooks where fucked and didnt show the "real" dmg

not how much dmg shitmentation gave in the first place

[primal jolt]

its ok guys next expansion we will surely get a legendary dagger for ourselves

to pump!

[royal lantern]

i rather dont have a legendary

its a pain in the ass everytime

[lusty kraken]

And get tuned around having the dagger

[primal jolt]

so regardless of the legendary

we will still get out dpsd by aug

[royal lantern]

get it in the first 3-4 weeks and enjoy beeing op until nerfed, or dont get it, nerfs cus of legendary come and now you do 0dmg without it

[primal jolt]

damn

curel reality of every sin player

[normal mist]

Just create fangs of the mother

looking at alexztraza

She does have mommy energy

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

i never understood the name

cus like

they where made from parts of DW armor, not his fangs

[normal mist]

"Armor of the father"

[gusty mirage]

They were shaped like fangs

[rotund oak]

true and real

[royal lantern]

rename all daggers into fangs

smh my head

[gusty mirage]

Not all daggers are shaped like fangs

Why do you hate LORE

[spice surge]

Dont forget armor of the fang

[normal mist]

What a cursed image

[spice surge]

Great set

[royal lantern]

but hey

they made a rogue legendary in Cata cus nobody wanted to play rogue

maybe it happens in tww again

[gusty mirage]

I hope there’s a cool power to it so random people can use it and claim they invented the strategy around using it in future applications

[royal lantern]

real talk, a set of legendary daggers probs never happens cus outlaw exists and needs 1h weapons

ONCE AGAIN OUTLAW MAKES EVERYTHING MISERABLE

[gusty mirage]

Yes surely that would not be the case

Given that warrior got one despite prot not being able to use it

[royal lantern]

leme make up reasons to hate Outlaw

[spice surge]

I mean ferals got two daggers as their artifact weapons, im sure if they made rogue daggers they would make it so oultaw could use em too

[gusty mirage]

And paladin just got one despite holy and prot not being able to use it

[royal lantern]

holy can use it

[gusty mirage]

For sure

[royal lantern]

you just dont wanna

[gusty mirage]

With all that intellect it gives

[royal lantern]

cus no shield is kinda bad

[spice surge]

No int is kinda bad

[royal lantern]

i forgor

strenght only

[gusty mirage]

It wouldn’t even be a set of daggers if we do get one

It’d be one

Outlaw can shove it in their off hand or up their ass

Whichever they prefer

[royal lantern]

again, leme shit on outlaw for no reason

trickster bad? outlaws fault

if fatebound is bad? Outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I’m bad, is that outlaw’s fault too?

I just dusted off my pants and nut tapped myself AMA

Good way to start the work day

[spice spire]

OOF

Been there dog

[hearty reef]

Lookin good oxi

[normal mist]

proceeds to get hard

Because dick can be a dick

[royal lantern]

yes

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ti-tip-sure-ok-mmm-gif-15934447

fair

[gusty mirage]

no u

[quiet oar]

Well, combat needed 1H too. But the Legendary daggers in Cata buffed sinister strike for that reason iirc

[haughty flicker]

Leggo next expac is a 1h agi mace

So only enhance and outlaw can use it

[jolly turtle]

Hi guys, is there a "better" off piece item for assas?

[split jewel]

Hunters got leggo bow last xpac when only 2/3 specs could use it.

And Razageth bow was basically a legendary in season 1 with how much power it gave.

[royal lantern]

lets be honest

the sylvanas "legendary" was kinda a meme anyway

and the real legendary was the dagger

and gravel

[split jewel]

The real legendary was the friends we made along the way

[royal lantern]

like, the effect didnt even do anything in ST iirc

[split jewel]

I think a Dagger leggo is possible this xpac due to Xalatah, but maybe it'll be both Intel and agility

[royal lantern]

wdym, my buddy has that dagger in his bank

better idea

scrap legendarys

cuss they where always bad

legit cant remember a single time where legendarys where done good and didnt feel bad

[split jewel]

Bring back artifacts

[royal lantern]

fuck no

just scrap the entire "special item" bs

[split jewel]

But my flavor

[royal lantern]

litearlly the same shit every time

"OMG MY CLASS GETS A LEGENDARY OMG"

2 weeks later, didnt get it yet

"WTF I DO NO DMG CUS IM BALANCED AROUND IT???????????"

[split jewel]

Maybe they could just add legendary appearances so they don't have to worry about balance

[hexed willow]

Atiesh

[royal lantern]

bless you

[split jewel]

Like Taschalach or the Scythe off Argus, granted they're not legendaries

[hexed willow]

Can’t balance around legendaries if you don’t balance

[normal mist]

[primal jolt]

how are you guys still talking about legendary weapons

😭

[normal mist]

Is there anything else to talk about?

[primal jolt]

big sin pumper numbers

:)

[normal mist]

No sin for me this season, I'm boxing with the monsters in m+

... With fist weapons

[fierce sigil]

Bleed Build or Shock Build for m+?

[normal mist]

Cleave build

Cleave was my favorite build to play with the whole S3

[fierce sigil]

Im with u But i See i have the feeling that a Few assa Rogues Are Playing bleed Build atm and i dont really get why

[royal lantern]

doesnt really make a big difference

[primal jolt]

im playing shock

its alright

[fierce sigil]

Isnt the st damage very low then?

[royal lantern]

shock is better when stuff dies faster

[royal lantern]

you play assa

lol

[primal jolt]

HAHA

[fierce sigil]

Y why?

[royal lantern]

dmg low is part of assa 😄

[normal mist]

He's answering you why

[primal jolt]

assa is like the worst dps in game atm

[normal mist]

XD

[fierce sigil]

Thats true But big fun is Part of assa too u know 🙈

[royal lantern]

ye, shock has a bit less ST dmg

but like

not really that important

[fierce sigil]

Atleast for me it is

[normal mist]

((try cleave))

[primal jolt]

im out here fighting aug for whos gonna do more damage

[normal mist]

The voices

[gusty mirage]

don't let the haters derail you

play the video game for fun

the way games are meant to be played

mfers out here dooming their way into misery

[normal mist]

Since when?!

[fierce sigil]

I do 😊 i love assa and i will Play it 🙈

[gusty mirage]

idk man I press shiny buttons and do 1.5 million dps

[rotund oak]

arterial shock does more overalls coz sudden demise

[gusty mirage]

ret pala is SICK

[rotund oak]

u are cheesing

the meters

[primal jolt]

how dare you say that

[fierce sigil]

*i will keep Playing it 😂

[royal lantern]

thats really fucking sad

[gusty mirage]

dog its week 2

[royal lantern]

mate

the thing is

[fierce sigil]

😂

[royal lantern]

is did 4 keys that are above 9

[gusty mirage]

you realize

that those 9s

are like 19/20s right

[royal lantern]

ye

[gusty mirage]

and not many people did 20s week 2

[fierce sigil]

True

[royal lantern]

oxi telling me im a big pumper

💪

[rotund oak]

9-10s is very high for ppl w.o gear

[normal mist]

Ret is fun I actually admit xD

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

[royal lantern]

ret is like sub, if sub gameplay was actually smooth

[gusty mirage]

I make a lot of oopsies playing ret

[fierce sigil]

Until i opened my vault yesterday i only had 490 ilvl 😂

[gusty mirage]

like pressing my legendary into frontals

:3

[normal mist]

I actually did a +10 AV yesterday, was pretty smooth

[royal lantern]

same but with boon

:3

[fierce sigil]

And After that vault (and spending buillon) i was at 500 😂

[royal lantern]

AV is so weird

the timer is like, 20min too long lol

[normal mist]

I went from 450 before the patch hit, to 508 yesterday

[fierce sigil]

Wow 🙈

[royal lantern]

im 503 equiped cus im sstill missing 1 tier piece

[fierce sigil]

Im Not having too much time to Play atm

[normal mist]

I was at 3, rolled a 53 on normal shoulders ... Won

[primal jolt]

any raid pink parsers around here? how much damage can you guys even pull on like let's say eranog

[normal mist]

I'm a normal raid pink parser

And in discord I'm pink

[primal jolt]

damn youre the real deal

[normal mist]

I'm the pinkiest

[primal jolt]

im doing around 200k as 500ilvl

with no set

i was curious how much do people actually pull that have tier sets

and better gear

[normal mist]

I tried playing OL yesterday with 3pc in raid, was doing around 200-250k in aberrus

[royal lantern]

day1 hc raid, 86 logs, did 272k

no wft/pi

[gusty mirage]

:3

[primal jolt]

that's kinda sad

i wont lie

and the ret paladins in my raid are about to hit 300k dps

and are the same ilvl as me

bruh

[normal mist]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/grim-batol/royalflux#difficulty=3 if you wanna compare to a shit outlaw

Which is me

[primal jolt]

i am outdpsing a shit outlaw in my raid

but sure

[normal mist]

I played OL BCS I had no 4pc

I do now :3

Will pump assa on my HC clear

[cloud basin]

apparently the game wants my rogue alt geared more than my main LOL

[primal jolt]

rogue isnt main

[cloud basin]

nah ima warrior main, but i may end up switching lol. Got both rings and nick of time lol

[royal lantern]

not everyone is mentaly lost

[primal jolt]

sorry

sin isnt main

[normal mist]

What if I have... Two rogues?

[gusty mirage]

that's why you have a special colored name

[normal mist]

Does it balance it out?

[gusty mirage]

there's tiers to this mental illness

[primal jolt]

i have the luxury of taking all the daggers for myself ALL THE TIME rogue is great!

[normal mist]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/grim-batol/royalflüx this was the character I played the most since WoD, while still playing both (but never in the same content, pvp vs PvE)

[primal jolt]

playing since wod and couldn't get a name without special letters

im guessing you have another one with the proper name xd

[normal mist]

If you haven't notice

The first rogue's name is royalflux

[primal jolt]

oh shit ye

kek

[normal mist]

The one I'm playing rn

[primal jolt]

so the other one is offbrand rogue

noted

[normal mist]

First rogue was the OG one, but all my friends went horde and I simply created the one with special letters

And like 3 months ago did a faction change to nelf

[primal jolt]

ive been horde since tbc

[normal mist]

Same

But when I started playing retail my friends went ally

[primal jolt]

i started playing rogue after meeting this dude who was an orc rogue

and i was a hunter at the time

and he would ninja our own guild to give me weapons

he lived up to the class fantasy

in wotlk

[normal mist]

Sounds like a thing a rogue would do

[primal jolt]

aye

bro that guy was so nice

[normal mist]

I remember ninja looting DBW

[gusty mirage]

wtf

someone ban this guy

or gal

[primal jolt]

then eventually i just started playing rogue because he was always like in the back of my memory

[normal mist]

Auto attacking milliseconds before the tank

[normal mist]

IT WAS ON A PRIVATE SERVER

[gusty mirage]

oh

[normal mist]

I started wow during tbc, but was only able to afford it in WoD

[royal lantern]

i "ninja" looted the CE mount this tier

looted it from the kill, they talked for like 15min about the kill, i used the mount, and 2min later "allright roll for the mount now"

[normal mist]

LOOOOOL

[primal jolt]

only rogues are legally allowed to ninja loot

[gusty mirage]

it's personal loot

tf

[normal mist]

Yeah but rolls

And guilds

[gusty mirage]

roll deez

[royal lantern]

yeha idk, salty hunters/druids oxi

[gusty mirage]

yeah they can wait their turn

fucking losers

skill issue, get better rng

idk

[normal mist]

Play rogue

[gusty mirage]

imagine trying to steal the owl from my boy

[primal jolt]

nothing like chilling in stormwind as orc rogue and listening to TF2 spy theme song

and a beer

[normal mist]

Actually TF2 music's were bangers

[primal jolt]

aye

[quiet oar]

I mean did they say that before?

Did you know that

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-cat-cute-gif-4544032

[quiet oar]

Well their fault, if they dont ask for the Mount from you

Like after 15 Minutes, i wouldnt wait any longer

[sinful holly]

Hi Team,
Asking a question might have been asked a few times, I saw the antique bronze bullion purchase posot on wowhead, it seems we need to take the fire dmg ring too, but if i am not wrong, we don't seem to have any fire dmg right?

We got to add shadowflame patch to trigger the ring?

[primal jolt]

huh it should've been updated

oh wait i thought you said take the ring first

[spice surge]

Helm enchant

[primal jolt]

head enchant

[spice spire]

Keep reading the guide. It explains

[sinful holly]

maybe i am blind..

DH now

[spice spire]

Understandable

It’s okay

It’s a lot of words fwiw

And personally after 20 or so I cba

[sharp viper]

head enchant does fire damage, so does signet brand and some other trinkets

[sinful holly]

the s3 raid one? sorry, very new to pve, didn't play any pve s1/s2

[sharp viper]

yes

[royal lantern]

head enchant

[spice spire]

Head enchant

[royal lantern]

enchant head

[sharp viper]

head & shoulders

[normal mist]

Shampoo

[sinful holly]

[spice spire]

If there’s a reveal today and I have to be serious. I’m gonna clown for a bit before hand

[sharp viper]

maybe it's maybelline

[spice spire]

Shoulder? I hardly know er!

[normal mist]

LOL

[primal jolt]

dont say the shampoo word here in the sin chat

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/piglet-shampoo-bubbles-gif-12938202

[spice spire]

?

[sharp viper]

remember to pedro before seriousness https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1231592737221120152

[spice spire]

Oh ty

[primal jolt]

not showering is an overtime dps increase

its a stacking buff

[normal mist]

We are not warriors

[primal jolt]

cant say the same about outlaw players

[spice spire]

Showering is ++ dps

[royal lantern]

can confirm, taking a shower every day and my dps is HUGE

[primal jolt]

how big are we talking

[royal lantern]

gargantuan

[gusty mirage]

also remember to install the pedro lust WA when you resub

[spice spire]

Wait I’ve seen your parses

[sharp viper]

not just your dps

[spice spire]

Maybe that’s not the best measurement

[royal lantern]

ignore tindral/fyrakk

[spice spire]

Fair

Ok we’re so back baby

[primal jolt]

because ive been watching some guides to optimise my dps i can definitely feel the knowledge filling me up

if showering is also a dps increase might as well

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire can feel something filling him up too

(its me)

[primal jolt]

is this true?

[gusty mirage]

[primal jolt]

does he pink parse?

fill me up

hit me

[proper tapir]

You can sim the S4 vendor, that can help you pick what to spend buillions on; it may be some time before we are picking the ring

[primal jolt]

i need those pink parses man

fill me

[sharp viper]

two parses in the pink

[royal lantern]

guys i just noiced

tomorrow is friday

[sharp viper]

wait

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331

[sharp viper]

I'm pink

[normal mist]

I'm pink

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[gusty mirage]

PEDRO LEAK

[primal jolt]

paladin mains smh

[gusty mirage]

[sharp viper]

PEDRO CONTAINMENT UNIT IS ON IT'S WAY

[gusty mirage]

its too late

pedro has spread

he dances his little heart out on my screen everytime anyone lusts

might add PI to it too

[spice spire]

[silk bane]

thats illegal. #1231592737221120152

[gusty mirage]

ur illegal

[silk bane]

damn

may need a laywer thgen

[gusty mirage]

whispyr's sleeping, this is my rodeo now bud

[silk bane]

know anyone?

[sharp viper]

I gotta download the media files for the weakaura

[maiden rover]

I wish we were

[gusty mirage]

it's so worth

[spice spire]

I’m expecting a rough day if stuff is revealed today (because you mfs will never be happy) so

Pedro a bit

[sharp viper]

bold of you to assume whispyr sleeps

[gusty mirage]

I also downloaded the chipi chipi lust one

[spice spire]

As a treat

[gusty mirage]

and I rotate between them

[spice spire]

He does

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Babe…

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

show sleep logs or gtfo

[spice spire]

I watch him sleep all 3 hours

I know

[maiden rover]

Babe

[gusty mirage]

oh are you in the other closet? @spice spire

[spice spire]

Yeah man

[spice spire]

Don’t.

[silk bane]

dont lie to me ive seen his room. enough monsters to give a baby elephant a heart attack

[gusty mirage]

he doesn't drink monster

you liar

[silk bane]

he does with me behind your back

u cant stop us

[sharp viper]

sounds like quite the party

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Nah he doesn’t that’s me

[patent vessel]

btw thank you to whoever noted that I can spam garrote and rupture on a target to spread it in m+, you have saved my fuckin life

[spice surge]

Pedro spotted, mods take him out

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ you can literally do the job

[maiden rover]

But

[sharp viper]

it's not ideal on 6+ target counts and certainly not if you are going to overwrite empowered bleeds on your main target

[spice spire]

Only but I wanna see is the fatty king

[quiet oar]

Quake

[maiden rover]

You don’t wanna see it

[spice spire]

Sup

[quiet oar]

It is log time again

Pls review my log

[gusty mirage]

how are you asking this retired mfer to log review

[silk bane]

nice log. good thickness, good color. Drake would be jealous

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-ltg-mods-low-tier-god-mods-balls-gif-6304382572771063267

[spice spire]

All tier

[spice spire]

4/10 still young, not quite up to the Girthy log standards we set here. Good progress tho

[patent vessel]

nah only doing it until I can't apply improved garrote anymore

[gusty mirage]

cause you're a gamer

[spice spire]

Implying I kept this in the divorce

[quiet oar]

Ye pretty young, will work on that. Thanks for the feedback quake

[spice spire]

Any time big dog

[gusty mirage]

@quiet oar is that your dog in your pfp

[quiet oar]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

boy or girl

[patent vessel]

bless I've been workin on improving my m+ gameplay

[quiet oar]

Boy

[gusty mirage]

tell him I love him

pls

[spice spire]

He has a very good lad

V cute pup

[patent vessel]

and I reread the guide to study up on chaining empowered envenoms

[quiet oar]

Hes a very good boy, except the times he escapes the garden

as example, when he bites through the fence

[gusty mirage]

why is the fence in his way

????

[quiet oar]

Well, because he thinks he can hunt cars

Because he very brave

[gusty mirage]

tbf

he can

[quiet oar]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

you're just saving the cars from being hunted

[quiet oar]

I dont lock him up for his safety

Ye

[gusty mirage]

those car owners should pay you money

[quiet oar]

True, THEY should pay my fence

[gusty mirage]

@brazen zodiac

[brazen zodiac]

bless all of u today <3

u pwn oxi cxcx

[quiet oar]

You got a puppy pic

in dm oxi

he was like 3 months or smth like this

[brazen zodiac]

;o i want puppy pics

https://tenor.com/view/dog-puppy-cute-puppy-puppy-dance-adorable-gif-15401155133904711754

[quiet oar]

You got one and quake too

For reviewing my log

[spice spire]

[patent vessel]

where post cat

[spice spire]

#1146207476983812117

Lot of pets

Enjoy

[primal jolt]

having sunshine and giga thunderstorm here

razageth is alive again it seems

Sylvanas brought her from the maw

[spice spire]

Damn

Gl

[maiden rover]

https://wago.io/Pq8Xhp2_9

This may persuade @spice spire to make a come back.

[clever sapphire]

does this also play the music

[maiden rover]

Idk. Haven’t tested it out yet

[clever sapphire]

aight gonna try it out in a minute

oh me dumb

should have just read

[strange python]

It does

I have used it for the last 2 days and will never delete it again

Tells you in the description how to get sound and picture

[strange python]

LOL SAME

[gilded oasis]

no reading allowed

[primal jolt]

is there a chipi chipi version

[maiden fjord]

what effects buff kingsbane damage? do bleeds still proc weapon poisons?

[spice spire]

Old news old man

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

Mastery iirc

[maiden rover]

Kids these days 🤦‍♂️ no respect.

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

and vers

[spice spire]

Oh mb the one stat that buffs all damage flat too

Apologies

[violet jackal]

hate and crit too right more ticks and bigger ticks lead to bigger ka boom

[gilded oasis]

quake been stackin hate since d1

[gusty mirage]

tru

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

You been stackin hate since dn big dog

Tired of ur nonsense

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Wait

We got it here

Let’s go

[gilded oasis]

woke up and drank my haterade

[spice spire]

I woke up and drank an Alani. Speed running life

[subtle cipher]

looking for hc sark pugs remind me of my first job

want to kill? need to have killed before, want to kill it before? need to have killed it already

lmao

[clever sapphire]

our paladins are getting PI

i cant

[bright turret]

they see ret paladin damage and don't realize how PI works as a raid buff

[clever sapphire]

yap thats what i assumed

[severe oyster]

Random weekly reminder that it's not too late to delete Augmentation.

[pseudo hamlet]

I guess we use pure ST talents in whole Aberrus but Assault of the Zaqali?

[primal jolt]

gonna try out the hybrid build

lets see what happens

[quaint hull]

go caustic spatter on sark 2

[modest spindle]

what's the difference between running and not running arterial precision? how does that affect gameplay?

(in m+)

[spice spire]

No effect

[modest spindle]

so why are people running it

cause i saw there's one build without it and one taking it

what's the difference

[keen spruce]

Basically no difference

[pseudo hamlet]

Because it does dmg 😄

[keen spruce]

All of the builds were born out of teenie tiny optimization at super high keys last season to squeeze out a little more prio damage or AoE

For anyone asking in here there’s no functional difference except that the ones with tempest and sudden demise will do better overall in low keys

But it doesn’t really matter which one you play

[modest spindle]

alright, thanks

what about crimson tempest? i saw some video of a guide doing a +15 key 2-3 days ago, he wasn't running CT (was in algethar's), is that something dungeon-related to run it or not? or is there some other logic?

i think it's quite a bit of damage

[royal lantern]

another clear with 0 tier items

have to wait until next week 👍

[keen spruce]

So end of last season most people ended up running a more ST build without tempest and I’m assuming lots of them just didn’t switch this season

[spice spire]

If you’re not getting a lot of mob pulls as well

Slow pulls etc Ct loses dam

[keen spruce]

But also ST pretty important in academy

[spice spire]

But if you’re pulling big Ct goodge

[spice spire]

Nah I’m here for the tree area only

Sorry king

[keen spruce]

Yeah ct really only gonna go sicko mode on the lashers

[modest spindle]

alright thanks a lot 😄

[keen spruce]

And if you pull giga before last boss

But ct pretty good below like idk scaling rn 13s?

[subtle tundra]

i have a mythic bow

🐐

[royal lantern]

same 🙂

0 rogue tier item drops, but 3 bows

[gilded oasis]

i've gotten more gear so far from a pug normal than from any guild runs combined so far

[dark token]

academy is like 7 big pulls and its the whole key

wdym dont go CT

these guys are trollign you

there are actually no small pulls that key

[subtle cipher]

what keys ct isnt the go?

[spice spire]

Depends on ur tank

You get a feel for it when you run a bit

[subtle cipher]

just doing pugs, have to guess :S

[dark token]

maybe not RLP

or halls of infusion

but honestly every key its good

[spice spire]

Kinda value on ring + first boss innit

[subtle cipher]

not rlp? ever tank i run there they do giga pulls

[spice spire]

I’d think rlp pretty good

[dark token]

ct value on first boss

what?

kill whelps fast?

uesless pad

you keep em alive as long as possible for funnel

[spice spire]

Oh hell no

We’re not doing the funnel topic again

[dark token]

not sin funnel

but other specs

[spice spire]

[dark token]

like spriest

definitely gain from it

cting the whelps in ur key is an int

[clever sapphire]

spriest aint me, i dont care about spriest dmg

[dark token]

they can do like

50% more boss dam than u

if you dont touch the whelps

its dumb

[clever sapphire]

i will save cooldowns so spatter cleave kills whelps

[spice spire]

Ring + pulls after second boss + pulls before first boss are all decent sized

Rlp is probably one of the better keys for Ct

[subtle cipher]

yeah, thats my guess too

ct feels solid there

[spice spire]

HoI also has some fucky packs

Shmeeps is probably right though people just didn’t swap over

[subtle cipher]

prob will avoid ct only on hoi

[clever sapphire]

cleave build is probably also good on rlp, since there is always a big guy in pulls where you are happy if it dies

[dark token]

ring pulls are all like

4-5t

not great

2nd and 3rd bosses both 2t

not great

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

but yes

i would run ct every key

im saying if i had to pick the worst 1-2 dungeons for it

its probably HoI and RLP

[gilded oasis]

sounds like propaganda from big CT

[spice surge]

Uldaman aint phenomenal either

[dark token]

i would pick brackenhide over uldaman

because those packs usually have one giga high target

and smalls you dont care about

also 3t first boss and totem last boss

[subtle cipher]

caustic > ib on sark?

[keen spruce]

The mini boss before bird. Checkmate liberal

[gusty mirage]

really

[dark token]

you can snap adds to it

checkmate

[gusty mirage]

@keen spruce

[gilded oasis]

@gusty mirage picked these up to try. Has crispy garlic bits v good

[thorn hollow]

hey guys sorry for the dumb question but do we use ashes at the start of deathmark or partway through kingsbane?

[gusty mirage]

either way, feel free to macro it with KB/DM

before KB got giga nerfed it made more sense to use it 2-3s into KB

but now it's not even worth the brain power to think about

[thorn hollow]

ahhh gotcha. thanks!

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

aight bonespike may be shit but i enjoyed it on council on all our 9 pulls (8 wipes 1 kill)

[bronze pike]

theres a bear emote for this

but im unsure if i can post it

or should lmao

[ember mural]

[primal jolt]

ok hybrid build kinda goated

ngl

[quiet oar]

You are already unsure

You shouldnt

[bronze pike]

that ones it

[gray hazel]

What passive trinket are you guys going to use for passive in M+? I assume icon wont be as useful there.

[bright turret]

be surprised if anything is better than guzzler

i know you said pasive, but im assuming you are using ashes

[balmy condor]

If anything it would be the nelth trinket but I’m pretty convinced that people are gonna stick to double on use

[gray hazel]

or is M+ going to be the cursed double on use with ashes and boon?

[runic hinge]

Could use echo trinket

[gray hazel]

Gotcha, thanks!

Nelth trinket it is hah

[vestal wren]

grieftorch is, due to how its used more of a passive trinket

still need to be pressed, but its a filler more times than something you need to plan around

[pseudo hamlet]

Which item from the tier set would've been the best option to leave for something else? Legs?

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter

[pseudo hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proper tapir]

I played ashes / boon all last week and hated it. You really gotta play around the huge aoe pulls for boon and the ashes may not be ready for boss. I got myth track nelth trinket last night but if I hadn't I would have spent the bullion on it. For M+ ashes/nelth allllll the way

[gray hazel]

Awesome, thanks Mark!

[clever sapphire]

love to see it

when shit gets parried

whoop whoop

[proven jasper]

villian era started

[spice spire]

Awesome, thanks Mark!

[clever sapphire]

it started with the ret pi and no windfury

[spice spire]

(I’m so sorry alter)

[proven jasper]

MARK!

LMAO

[proven jasper]

Im so sorry for ur loss

[proper tapir]

I can be Mark, no worries

[runic hinge]

Time to wipe the raid

[digital venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

its rashok

getting enough wipes

that also means enough pedros

[high jetty]

agreed. Been playing boon with ashes/branch since season started and Boon is fucking awful. I cannot imagine playing that thing as any other class. W/O cloak/ shadowstep that just sounds horrid.

[pseudo hamlet]

If I care about raiding and M+ equally, does that mean I should get Sophic instead of Wafting devotion for the weapon enchant?

[proper tapir]

Wafting always

[spice spire]

Awesome, thanks Mark!

[proper tapir]

I know, got cloak and step being a part of my dps rotation like some darkest timeline hero talent

[proper tapir]

Quake I still love you bro, you can't change this with words

[spice spire]

I’m not trying to

Legitimately funny moment because it seemed genuine

And just a typo

[high jetty]

I'm just going to play the NOK trinkey with ashes for now. I cant stand boon lol

[thorn fjord]

Someone send me dagger luck

i need an effing dagger

[proper tapir]

Serves me right, I called dude Whyper for a bit... I knew that wasn't his name

[gusty mirage]

karma for playing bonespike

[high jetty]

I crafted one. Because I know my own weapon luck. I'm still using the Veteran one I had when i crafted it in my OH. I made the right call. LOL

[shy pecan]

Here's some daggers for you

[balmy condor]

That’s cause I’m one of them whyper snappers

I’ll see myself out

[thorn fjord]

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks!

Will use Wafting in M+ now also 😄

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[junior aurora]

whyper? I hardly knew er

[clever sapphire]

i only play it on fights where i can actually get "use" out of it

so only council

bonespike on zskarn?

how long do the golems live from you guys experience?

[spice spire]

No

[clever sapphire]

well thats a good duration

now i know why people hated this fight

[spice surge]

Imagine doing it when tuning was way harder

[spice spire]

Mythic zskarn actually no lubed my computers frames

[clever sapphire]

half our guild didnt play this raid so we have no idea whats going on

[spice spire]

Fight was piss easy outside of that

Oh

Yeah

That’s a right where you gotta know what’s happening

[clever sapphire]

ye our tank just got told to move when the clicking sound happens

and he asked which of the 3

xD

[spice surge]

Our progress on this boss included standing in a corner and watching the boss being dragged away every so often

[balmy condor]

same

[spice spire]

Same

[clever sapphire]

wait wasnt there a bug where there was a safe place

[balmy condor]

I still can't believe they tried to tile a plane with circles

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

flunked out of geometry fr

[spice spire]

Just like my dog ass fr

[clever sapphire]

im gonna assume it got fixed a long time ago

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

Tuning on that boss went way down

Safe spot went away

Unluigi

[spice surge]

Fairly sure they thought having a safe spot for the last percent or so would be fine

They just didnt consider you could just do it from the start (or atleast very hihg percentage)

[balmy condor]

that would be even worse

like "oh shit the circles don't overlap" is one thing

[spice surge]

Idk theres no redemption for that boss

[balmy condor]

recognizing that they don't, seeing the safe spot, and going "that's probably fine, right?"

is just next level

[static fable]

does any1 have a poison remind WA?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

go on wago and look up poison

should be like

a billiion

[spice spire]

Might be on one of those

But yeah

[spice surge]

Or make one with templates

Its actually really easy and approachable

Really underused feature in WAs

[spice spire]

You’re underused, eleem

[rain oyster]

The poison reminder wa is when you start a key, realize you’re energy starved on first pull, and go ohh shit poisons 🤪

[vale temple]

Is this the disc for Cata?

[balmy condor]

no, try the discord pinned in #classic-discussion

[lavish jasper]

U guys think it's troll if I craft BSL on my ring for M+? Just having trash luck with rings lol?

[balmy condor]

thats fine

[lavish jasper]

Thnx Whispyr, ur a legend mate

[balmy condor]

ty

[ivory flower]

[clever sapphire]

thats what im gonna do

free socket

shitty ring luck

[fierce sigil]

which race u recommend to play?

[spice spire]

Whichever you like

[shy pecan]

Tauren rogue best because biggest stealthiest race in the game

[spice spire]

racials are so low % it’s not worth

I’d say like

Avoid vulpera and zandalari

[royal lantern]

ayo

dog

[spice spire]

???

Historically they suck

[shy pecan]

I thought you were a furry/vulpera

[spice spire]

If you wanna play them play them you can still orange + as a vulpera

[royal lantern]

u suck

[royal lantern]

yes

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

I do suck Ik

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

but not me for some reason?

[shy pecan]

[proper tapir]

Dracthyr Rogue is gonna be where it's at, blizz hurry up.

[spice spire]

????

[royal lantern]

REAL

[near osprey]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[near osprey]

Are we running AP in keys or just DTB?

[balmy condor]

there's like 5 builds in m+

pick one

[somber sparrow]

i use a build for fort keys, a build for tyrannical keys, that's about it though.

[near osprey]

yeh, I jump back and forth between arterial shock and the hybrid build, but then I looked at the sim on the spreadsheet and it didn't take some stuff, but that's proably jsut because its for the sim, I just wasn't sure if something changed since I've been jumping back and forth to outlaw

[primal jolt]

i swapped to hybrid

been having more succes with it over shock

[proper tapir]

Obligatory plug for Cleave no IW build

[spice spire]

No utility mfs

[near osprey]

I think the thing about the cleave build is that whenever something dies i can pretend that my sudden demise did it

and without it I have to wonder

[proper tapir]

Someone out there loves it, whoever is really into sustained 4T. They are like damn utility build = bae

[balmy condor]

with the cleave build you can also pretend like you're getting full kingsbane value

because you basically never will

idk, all the talent builds are good

they do different things

iron wire is huge utility and untalenting it is cringe

back to alpha watch I go

[violet jackal]

iron wire does nothing when the demon hunter iniates pulls with a silence

[spice surge]

15% damage reduction

[violet jackal]

true

[proper tapir]

Yeah, that 15% DR gets me personal thanks from the tank and healer.

(just kidding no one notices or cares)

[violet jackal]

I was about to say I doubt other specs know what we do

I got bullied in a 10 uldaman for pressing shiv during my burst window on the 2nd boss

[balmy condor]

thats cause there's no assa rogues, not because its a bad talent lmao

especially if you play with a non-vdh it's very noticeable

[spice spire]

I’m going back to work ping me when you need me to nuke the tww channel whisp

[shy pecan]

I loved when sin rogues used Iron Wire when I was bear tanking for whenever I couldn’t get all the casters

[runic hinge]

I enjoy triple garrote and then when the first IW is falling off sending triple garrote in dance too for just a ton of lock down and a lot of dr

[junior aurora]

you get invited to keys where mobs live long enough to be able to reapply garrote?

[runic hinge]

Nah dawg. I’m just sending dance 8 seconds in

Gotta pad my overall with sudden demise

[junior aurora]

real

[misty holly]

We need details to start tracking killing blows. Sudden demise would be mvp on that stat.

[thorn fjord]

@runic hinge gotta get some in this weekend breh

[runic hinge]

Saturday I’ll do some keys. Sunday I’m seeing armor for sleep and bayside

[thorn fjord]

Niiice

I’ll hit you up Saturday night

I had tickets to see armor back in Nov but I couldn’t go cause of blizzcon

The wife went with one of our friends

[shy pecan]

[runic hinge]

Fly up to Boston Sunday

[spice spire]

Drop kick murphies ass Mfs

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-tom-hanks-run-running-on-my-way-gif-9305363

[runic hinge]

I have to drive 4 hours south to get to Boston. Don’t lump me in with them

[spice spire]

Mf says he’s shipping up to Boston

[thorn fjord]

Down

[runic hinge]

I work for the post office so I’m shipping To Boston

[pure moth]

Boston ain't that bad

[spice spire]

Do you mfs not know the song, not you Kriz the other two

[quiet path]

sorry if this is off topic rn but what's the best thing to get first with bullions?

[spice spire]

Trinket probably

Depends on what you need

[quiet path]

the manic grieftorch?

[spice spire]

Guides have it though

[runic hinge]

Yes I’m being purposely obtuse

[quiet path]

aight i'll check it out, ty sir

[spice spire]

Any time king gl

[spice spire]

Yet ur a cute, curious

[junior aurora]

well that boy aint right

ill tell u what

[runic hinge]

Damn that’s what I was gonna say

[hearty radish]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[thorn fjord]

U RIGHT

[cinder horizon]

any chance that Bloodmallet will be updating the rogue trinket list?

[proper tapir]

just sim it

[shy pecan]

Yeah, should be simming it rather than taking it off the list. Your gear profile will differ vastly than the BM/Simc one

[hexed willow]

dumb question, but how much mastery (estimate) should I be aiming for in order to replace Branch? sims are still stating that a 489 branch is better than 415 ashes with my current gear ><.

or better, anyone know a better way to sim with "more mastery" to get a better idea?

[proper tapir]

idk, but 489 branch is gonna beat a 415 ashes. we just follow the sims; maybe look into best upgrades with fliightstones/crests, that may pump your ashes higher

[hexed willow]

*simming higher than 515

but yeah i'll keep simming with the bullion ashes and find a neck+gem combo

[bright turret]

im not even sure how that is possible, or how its possible to have that little mastery

[ivory flower]

No

I just depleted à neltha 12 on the Last boss 15% Still 2min in the timer. Theeeeeen blizzard maj yeeeaaaaahhhhhhh

Biggest affix

Moreover it was my key

Im fukin mad

Sad

[late kestrel]

is assassination best of rogues on single target

[woeful meteor]

no

it's the worst

[ivory flower]

Ye

In keys

[woeful meteor]

wdym with that?

[high jetty]

You might have better single target than OL in like a 4 where the boss dies 5s after your cds lol

[ivory flower]

In raid youre better than outlaw in pure ST

[woeful meteor]

[high jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-are-you-ready-for-some-football-gif-16278812894835706568

For the first 30 seconds, no doubt

[ivory flower]

If youre lukcy with rolls and procs you may be better, maybe

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-umm-dog-gif-27552598

[ivory flower]

Still, sub is the Best ST in the rogues spec

[woeful meteor]

terros, magmorax, rashok

[ivory flower]

Mythic ?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[ivory flower]

Yeah i'm checkin logs

Gosh

We re fucked

How is That even possible

[woeful meteor]

how was sin on sark @drifting cloud

[high jetty]

I feel bad. We should have just let him keep thinking we were ST kings lol

[woeful meteor]

design wise it should be insane, but feel like numbers are to low to be good

[high jetty]

Definitely, design wise. We should just SMASH a single target

[dark token]

Seems ok

[high jetty]

But alas

[ivory flower]

I thought we were barely better than outlaw and faraway from sub

But

It seems the spec is broken

[woeful meteor]

smaller gap than on the rest

[ivory flower]

Gap is Weaker on hero

[woeful meteor]

the screen is mythic tho

dont care about hero

[dark token]

The fact it's not #1 on a boss designed for it

[ivory flower]

Anyway Im not à raid player

Oh I forgot

We suck in mm+ too

[high jetty]

I feel like we are much better in m+ than raid

We at least have a niche and a purpose

[ivory flower]

Still

[high jetty]

Is OL better? Definitely. But at least you bring giga prio damage every second pack

[ivory flower]

ST sucks in m+

If you dont have adds to rupture and have infinite energy it feels weak

Big burst nothing else

[high jetty]

Eh, I think it’s fine. You’re uncapped. Huge burst. Funnel with some builds. Iron wire. It’s not nearly as bad as it is in raid. IMO any way

[ivory flower]

I love playin sin in m+ , I do Good dmg on every packs, thx boon and ashes BTW. But In pure ST i'm farbehind

[high jetty]

I give up on boon. That shit is 0 fun

Yeah, you’re not a single target spec RN there’s no way around it

[ivory flower]

Dépends of thé key

But boon is 5% of my dps

For an agi trinket thats big

[high jetty]

I’m not saying it’s bad

It’s very good

It’s just no fun. Lol

[ivory flower]

Yeah you have to cos Eva and shadowstep during it, I like it

I use it when I KB without my deathmark

[high jetty]

Yeah, I do as well. It’s probably fine, I didn’t play the other seasons, so I don’t know these dungeons super well. Eventually I’ll get better at using it I’m sure

[ivory flower]

Yah I think That this à big train to do

Try it in neltha and AA

Easy shit

Ulda is fine too

I struggled in nokhud With it

[high jetty]

God I don’t like ulda

[ivory flower]

I reaaly like the key

[high jetty]

It’s good in Brackenhide if you have a Druid

[ivory flower]

Big mobs

Yeah in BH too

Why à drood ?

[high jetty]

They can soothe the bladestorms

Which is really the only thing that fucks with your trinket in that dungeon

And the breaths on the oaks I guess

But you just step those

[ivory flower]

You can evasion the bladestorm too

[high jetty]

True

[runic hinge]

You could also shiv it

[high jetty]

I just push with a guardian and ret, so he soothes for the ret and I get to keep evasion for when I get KB aggro

[runic hinge]

Cause you’re gonna send cds into war bringer cause it’s got the most health

[ivory flower]

Yeah boon is really Good for rogues I think, just not easy to use

[high jetty]

Yeah, I usually get one

[ivory flower]

Small advice, dont deathmark the big tree in prio in BH, do it on the mobs Who does fukin totems

[high jetty]

Definitely yeah

I think that’s my fav key this season. That’s a banger of a dungeon tbh

[ivory flower]

And With bolstering in neltharus its the hunter prio

They instant casted at 1.2 millions dmg on random targets, nearly wiped us

Fun moments

[high jetty]

Yeah we had that too lol

BM+ret aren’t great for bolstering

They just mow everything lol

I just try and even us out

[ivory flower]

Yeah thats nearly a Good weeak for us

Fire mago do our job better With ignite build I think

[high jetty]

Yeah, similar profiles for sure

[ivory flower]

Wich classes can dispel disease except pal ?

[high jetty]

Monk I think

[runic hinge]

Priest

[patent vessel]

what do if our priest wont PI me for opener:[

[haughty flicker]

bribe them

if still no cry

[patent vessel]

she keeps giving it to our destro lock

[tropic tundra]

respec to sub and then find out you need wf too

[rotund oak]

buy her food,chicks dig food

[patent vessel]

time to call on our sisterly bond

[quiet oar]

WF being mandatory

[winter dove]

now i can finally play the game

[rotund oak]

because u couldnt play the game before those keys

amirite

[winter dove]

https://tenor.com/view/no-life-south-park-bummer-gif-16184261

[quiet oar]

he means transmog and mounts

which is the true endgame

[haughty flicker]

taivan time

[rotund oak]

[neat plank]

no pins yet regarding Fatebound 😛

[haughty flicker]

wrong channel

[neat plank]

oh right, tww 🙂

[wild birch]

Is there a single reasonable way to get TTK in M+ Cleave build?

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of reasonable

[wild birch]

Not butchering it (MA, Sanguine, Iron Wire)

[balmy condor]

then no

[wild birch]

Big sad :(

[lavish saffron]

10 years of changes is getting to me. i feel like i'm playing a different class, in a different game.

[haughty flicker]

thats because you are

a lot has changed over 10 years

[pseudo hamlet]

I am not a big fan of using two on-use trinkets(especially if they have casting times). What would be the best, passive one to pair up with Ashes?
I guess:
Cataclysmic Signet Brand - for fights longer than 5 minutes(raiding)
Whispering Incarnate Icon - for M+ and fights shorter than 5 minutes(raiding)

[balmy condor]

For m+ generally would want to run call to suffering over icon

Icon after nerfs is rough

[pseudo hamlet]

What about raiding? Would Call to Suffering be a better option than Icon for shorter fights? Considering that no healer and tank wear it

[balmy condor]

Ye

It’s just a very rng trinket

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks!

[alpine lion]

Method lists Seal of Diruna's Chosen as one of the best rings for Assassination Rogues in S4. What sources of fire damage do we have? Are they just using it with the trinket they recommend in this list as well?

https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue/gearing