assassination

[primal jolt]

[real pike]

sin is pretty close to the playstyle tho

[quiet oar]

[velvet bridge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mystic osprey]

something makes me wanna go back to sin

for no reason

[royal lantern]

play outlaw

remove all abilitys except sinester strike/dispatch/SnD

congratz, you now have combat

[real pike]

😄

I like rupture

[rotund oak]

combat had backstab as well newfie 😛

[real pike]

I definitely don't use backstab on my wrath server

Blade flurry is there too

[rotund oak]

u are newfie as well

combat dagger was the king

in vanilla

[real pike]

with Muti rune right

hue

[rotund oak]

im talking original vanilla

not sod

[primal jolt]

kekw

[real pike]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[rotund oak]

on wrath u couldnt use muti as combat anyway

just sayin

[real pike]

really?

[rotund oak]

but ye,try original vanilla combat dagger

pugio or qiraji ripper+thunderfury on OH

[real pike]

......did someone say?

bro does anyone else's discord keep going like blank grey screen until you minimise and bring it up again

[primal jolt]

nay

[real pike]

sorry if this is in a guide but I can't find it - do we break S3 4 set for S4 2 set?

[spice surge]

No

[real pike]

😮

[brisk crystal]

When we should use Ashes?

[hexed willow]

With KB or DM don’t think the timing matters as much anymore

[gusty mirage]

Correct, either or works

[hexed willow]

I always lean to DM since sometimes my KB/DM gets disjointed on trash etc

[subtle tundra]

Manually casting it 😍

[royal lantern]

not using it at all because its against my perceived class fantasy

[digital venture]

Creating a cast sequence and spam it off CD

[spice spire]

Dm

[subtle tundra]

I should be allowed to bullion branch

Cause I have myself

[royal lantern]

branch+puzzlebox

[subtle tundra]

Yesssss girlieee

[clever sapphire]

i hit the sweet spot

now i shall be top dps in raid

right?

[real pike]

ashes is pretty much always upgrade prio right (no weps)

[royal lantern]

my stats are giga cursed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1113743029786923069/1235168731429077042/1.png?ex=66336405&is=66321285&hm=0ee2ccdea4412bbec0e48433cdb327662c97da26e9f005e4d8984e36331e87e3&

look at this outlaw shit

[dark token]

Eh sin doesn't care that much

[clever sapphire]

Mr CT enjoyer, are you proud of me? (8 academy)

[royal lantern]

aug dps

[clever sapphire]

sssh

[royal lantern]

opinion rejected

[clever sapphire]

i didnt ask for it

[royal lantern]

• mandatory Delete Aug

[clever sapphire]

i dont mind aug in keys tbh, as long as there isnt something you have to burst (aka bracken totem)

this aug was pretty funny tho

he always used the breath when nobody used cooldowns

[royal lantern]

average 3,8k aug player

[dark token]

Big CT

[primal jolt]

way ahead of you

[real pike]

bro how the fuck does a 519 ilvl ashes sim the same as a 489 branch

what a massive waste of everything

[dark token]

U don't have much mastery

[royal lantern]

where is cancelaura Power Infusion

[real pike]

yeah cause in S3 I kept getting told to go haste/vers

[dark token]

Ashes simmed within 0.4% at same ilvl when I had giga mastery

[primal jolt]

AH SHIT DAWG

ty for reminding me

[dark token]

Well now ashes wants mastery gg

[real pike]

yeah I mean got crafts and that to do

not the worst

just 😮

[primal jolt]

there

[real pike]

regem all for mastery

[primal jolt]

no one will stop me from getting gray parse

NOBODY

[royal lantern]

based and real

[primal jolt]

this is a cope

as if anyone would even use that shit on us

[real pike]

wait the priests in your guilds don't just use it on their mates?

[rotund oak]

[primal jolt]

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Prescience
/cancelaura Ebon Might
/cancelaura Power Infusion
/cast Mutilate

feel free to copy paste

[rotund oak]

too hard bruh

[primal jolt]

no point in getting any of those buffs if im already capped on 200k dps

assa rogue gang

[rotund oak]

i feel like

sin buffs

[dark token]

Why are rogues not on blood mallet PI + WF sims btw

[rotund oak]

we are a waste

thats why

[primal jolt]

[rotund oak]

[dark token]

They are on last tier

Assa actually seems not bad

Is evoker tier set still bugged btw?

[rotund oak]

bruh we losing to 20ilvls less rets

with a wpn

[spice surge]

Because bloodmallet hasnt updated for a while

[dark token]

Ye but a spec can do 1k DPS and devastation evoker can do 300k dps

But if the 1k DPS spec gains 50k from pi and evoker gains 30k

U still pi 1k DPS spec

[primal jolt]

even with evoker and pi i dont think we can keep up with ret dps

its just so ridicilous

how much damage that class does

[rotund oak]

we cant keep up to any srs specc imo

[primal jolt]

i mean yeah fair

[rotund oak]

think of it like

[primal jolt]

i did out dps an outlaw rogue yesterday thats 10ilvls above me and has old 4 set

but hes just shit

[rotund oak]

what we have for as a trinket

[primal jolt]

so its not a flex

[rotund oak]

they have better as a node

someone dies

they pop wings

and its already on 1min cd

let me sniff more of that cope brotherman

i could prolly shit on alot of pppl if i swap to sub

but ye,i prefer to start slowly as sin

[primal jolt]

wanna sniff copium with me

[rotund oak]

all done for today brother

[primal jolt]

[rotund oak]

gonna log my mages

yes ive got 2

[primal jolt]

bro i wanted to learn sub

[rotund oak]

in case u are wondering

[primal jolt]

but god damn

that spec is wild

so many cooldowns

[rotund oak]

its the planning that gets in ur head,cds are pretty str8 forward

[primal jolt]

half of the kit are just cooldowns

[primal jolt]

aye

i was practicing yesterday and learned it overall

but ended up going to raid as assa anyway

ass is just too comfortable

[rotund oak]

sin is beautiful

🤝

[primal jolt]

[spice surge]

Surely they buff assa

[rotund oak]

[gleaming geyser]

being comfortable and performing on a worse spec is better than being confused and underperforming on a better spec 100%

[rotund oak]

a fun time ahead of us

2months btching about sin buffs

[gleaming geyser]

I cannot fathom RL as outlaw or sub after being sin for so long

[primal jolt]

hero talents are gonna bring ass to top

[rotund oak]

[primal jolt]

im definetly overdosing on copium by now

this trinket

is so strong

for absolutely no reason

its been keeping up with so many trinkets ive put it up against

[steel ridge]

Its utter garbage

[primal jolt]

better then everything i got so far

except ofc for my beloved ashes i just bought

[marble hemlock]

add shifting sands

[primal jolt]

/cancelaura all buffs

[royal lantern]

iirc fuu uploaded it but they didnt update it yet

[vestal wren]

assassiantion gets ~5%

[royal lantern]

going even more hardline, add bloodlust/heroism

[primal jolt]

[vestal wren]

#assassination message

[spice surge]

Ye their timestamp for their last update was 27/04

[primal jolt]

ok im not trying to get kicked out of the raid now

[spice surge]

Youre using your custom thing that doesnt properly place the PI

Default profile places it better

[vestal wren]

oh, moment

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/inu5ckZiURpY38dneVWTWj

^fixed

closer to 6% then

[gusty mirage]

20k dps

that's the same as uhdk

like a 200dps dif

[royal lantern]

❤️ beeing a pi spec

its so great blizz

you should do it for every single spec ❤️

[gusty mirage]

do you love getting PI to still be the worst simming spec?

[royal lantern]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

dont you see how IMPORTANT Pi is oxi?

with every single priest hating it?

specs getting fucked over it

[gusty mirage]

wdym specs

literally just demo lock and assassination

[royal lantern]

tbf, unholy had it for a long time aswell

they just needed ages to fix it

[gusty mirage]

yeah but unholy still did damage without it

[royal lantern]

(and then did the same thing for assa)

[gusty mirage]

it just wasn't obscene damage

[royal lantern]

tru, assa just does no dmg in general

Pi? no Pi? cds? no cds?

whats damage

[gusty mirage]

like

fucking yikes man

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1233146832385871973/r9aMP0T.png?ex=6633493b&is=6631f7bb&hm=5a15bdea9d60e8dc20dbce68e6037093a611f89e9f8622cf9ffefc8359d2567b&

i just love selis pic so much

cus thats assa in a nutshell

[dark token]

Ye ideally they get it on pull

And we get it on execute

[dark token]

Pin it

[gusty mirage]

dog no one should be playing the spec right now

hard to PI someone who's afk in valdrakken while the real specs clear the raid

[dark token]

I am planning to play it for sarkareth only

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

Since theoretically it's quite good there

[royal lantern]

wdym, redditors keep saying "the game has insane good balancing right now"

for the last 3 tiers

[gusty mirage]

I mean overall it is

outside of a few outliers it was good

the best it's ever been actually

it's just assassination's been on the ass end of the balance

because this balance team smokes crack

[primal jolt]

anyone mind sending me a screenshot of their statweights, also what is our stat cap

[royal lantern]

(for the 80th time in a row)

[primal jolt]

i cant find this stuff in pins

[spice surge]

spec is bugged stealing all aug damage and looks insane
nerf spec
fix the most egregious aug hooks
Assa big stinky without it

[royal lantern]

dont exist, stat weights are a meme

[spice spire]

Don’t follow caps

[royal lantern]

forget they exist

[spice spire]

Weights don’t matter it’s just sim

I mean caps exist. For us specifically they don’t matter

[buoyant moat]

I'm just so happy to be playing sin again i fucking love this spec

[primal jolt]

ah okay

[scenic nacelle]

Truly a travesty

[spice spire]

Love to see it big dog

[royal lantern]

you forgot "stop doing updates after 1month cus ??????????????????, 3-5% dmg buffs/nerfs are hard work that can only be done in the first 3-4 weeks after a patch release"

[buoyant moat]

also so glad we dont have to use echoing reprimand

[dark token]

Ye this is annoying

[buoyant moat]

i hate that shit sooooooo much

[dark token]

They don't like to reverse their decision

When they messed up

Overnerf assa? Can't go back cause we look dumb

Just leave it

[gusty mirage]

they'll slap a generic aura buff that'll make people feel better

and then undo it for tww

then have to buff it in tww beta

then they overbuff it

and it's super strong for 2 weeks

then they overnerf it again

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[buoyant moat]

Man at least the spec is playable and functional last time I played it we didn't even have cut to the chase anymore

[gusty mirage]

9.0 was a dark time to be a rogue in general

[buoyant moat]

dont remind me

those were truely dark days

[gusty mirage]

I was 7th on the meters

with a 99

behind green parsing boomkins

ggs

[buoyant moat]

I had perma enrage debuff from RTB RNG

[gusty mirage]

I rolled GM so many times on that kill

I had 24 minutes of snd by the end

I felt so immersed

[buoyant moat]

AHhhhh Sick FUCKING GRAND MELEE AGAIN

at least it didnt cost CP

[gusty mirage]

[buoyant moat]

Hot take I dislike Underhand

[primal jolt]

at least we got to use fleshcraft and bonespike

which were fun imo

[buoyant moat]

Bonerlords were bis

god i love those goofy doods

[primal jolt]

i loved how bonespike kept damaging after you die

[bright turret]

Sin can't be strong enough to compete with sub cause it will reveal how few people actually like sub's reworked playstyle

[primal jolt]

at least sub has pretty animations

:)

[gusty mirage]

sub's reworked playstyle is great

wdym

[royal lantern]

huh

[primal jolt]

you dont think the shadow clones look good?

and shurikens

[vast loom]

melee in general i never notice animations

[gusty mirage]

I'm too busy staring at the 6 giant red hunter pets

and 2 doomguards

and xuen

[royal lantern]

where is blizzard and orbs of frost there?

[vast loom]

actually i notice my bladestorm on warrior

[gusty mirage]

imagine having a frost mage

[royal lantern]

mixed with the meta dh dashing around

[primal jolt]

god i hate orb of frost

its so obnoxiusly big

[gusty mirage]

but if there is a frost mage

frozen orb probably missed the hitbox of the boss it was aimed directly at

and is on the other side of the raid now

good ability

10/10

[royal lantern]

yeha, cant make it a targeted ability because FRICTION

[primal jolt]

i always try avoiding it 💀

[royal lantern]

i remember that one aswell

[gusty mirage]

I remember playing frost mage in 8.3

and pushing frozen orb

and watching it go through 8 mobs

and pulling the pack behind them

[royal lantern]

"we cant make a crucial core ability be not shity to aim, sorry, suck it up losers"

[gusty mirage]

I was like oh okay

[primal jolt]

frost mage is a pvp spec anyways :)

its okay :)

[royal lantern]

and next pull it got stuck on a critter 2cm before the mage

[gusty mirage]

GREAT ability

[primal jolt]

frost sphere is a boss mechanic

i wouldnt avoid it every time otherwise

[gusty mirage]

they just need to give frost the pvp talent that lets them place the orb where they want

if that's even still a thing

[royal lantern]

they asked for it and got told to fuck off

[primal jolt]

clicking things is annoying tho

[royal lantern]

not that long ago

[gusty mirage]

[primal jolt]

like to place down

[gusty mirage]

you just do mouseover

@cursor macro

[primal jolt]

nay ill play melee mage and put it under my feet

[gusty mirage]

or @player

[primal jolt]

/underfeet macro

no

[gusty mirage]

that's what I did with bonedust brew on my monk

tossed that shit at my feet

[primal jolt]

ofc

[gusty mirage]

I could only bonedust brew the lantern floating above me so many times

[primal jolt]

i do that on dk decay too

[gusty mirage]

shout out to theater of pain

[primal jolt]

i am 2 lazy

[gusty mirage]

my fav click moment was playing a hunter

and throwing a trap on the sign in junkyard

idk why that's even a thing

but ya know

friction

[royal lantern]

the friction of making the game near unplayable from a visual point

[marble ruin]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[royal lantern]

many enemys at once? just use all deffensives and pray, cus LOL trying to see them

[gusty mirage]

they were inspired by poe's visual clarity

[vestal wren]

action rpgs have nameplates not shown by default or?

[jade carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

what build i play in m+ this week

[proper tapir]

Whichever one you want, babe.

[subtle tundra]

something with spatter..

is this a build?

cooked a bit more?

[shy pecan]

Need Sepsis in there

[subtle tundra]

bro give me DEATHSPIKE

HOLY FUCK?

literally only 2 fun covenants assa had were FLAg with obedience and DEATHSPIKE

[proper tapir]

Take out CTTC, it's useless

[subtle tundra]

and we get NIEHTER?!??!?!

GOD I HATE DF

[shy pecan]

Go big or go home

[subtle tundra]

more fok???

[proper tapir]

FoK in M+? Is your tank pulling crazy?

[dark token]

What's this build lol

[subtle tundra]

m+

if youre mad, stay mad

[dark token]

U take fok node

Over ct

Ur crazy

[subtle tundra]

womp womp

[gusty mirage]

nameplates are optional in arpgs

[proper tapir]

In reality, flying daggers is never the choice. The other one that saves energy always wins

[gusty mirage]

you just need a healthbar

[vestal wren]

i like to see how much hp enemies have

but i can assume they are usually dissabled because of just how many enemies are on screen

[subtle tundra]

oh i didnt notice it was choice node

[proper tapir]

Deathmark is also a choice node BTW, you have to click it really hard tho. Like as hard as outlawl players hit blade flurry.

[narrow marsh]

How does sin feel in M+

Looking to do some testing after work since I haven’t tried the spec

[primal jolt]

if rogues have to use vanish as a dps cooldown why dont they make paladins use bubble as a dps cooldown

the favouritism goes crazy

[royal lantern]

thats a weird comparison

[primal jolt]

idc

[proper tapir]

Many of us like it, you aren't asking the most unbias group. Good luck with your testing

[primal jolt]

:)

im trying to make paladins feel shittier

[subtle tundra]

oh you get to feel...

[primal jolt]

no matter the sense

[primal jolt]

he'll feel the healer out dpsing him that's for sure

[proper tapir]

Only if they play one of those degen CT builds, yuck

[shy pecan]

It's fine. Just have to be aware of what targets you probably wanna be using as your spatter/KB target in keys in case stuff dies too fast

[primal jolt]

the last pack in the hallway before 3 boss in halls of infusion

has that big dragon

man the dps is so sexy there

i always top the meters

for that one pack

no fr if they have a big mob dps is quite alright

[paper wraith]

do we only get 1 spark piece this week im confused

[shy pecan]

Half a spark

[paper wraith]

sadge

[narrow marsh]

XD it’s gonna be fun later

[spice spire]

How about you get half a ho

[shy pecan]

You + jake = one full ho

Or @ember mural

[spice spire]

And yet I avoid you, curious!

[shy pecan]

[real pike]

going from 486 bracers to 506 bracers is a DPS loss HOW

these sims are breaking my smooth ass brain I swear

[subtle tundra]

do those 486 bracers maybe have a line

thats says this item is infuuuused

with the pooooooweeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr of DECAY!

maybe?

[proper tapir]

Probs like socket or embellishments. Bracers are kinda low priority

[real pike]

not the embellishment but ig the loss of mastery

and a socket yeah

[royal lantern]

losing a bit mastery will not make a actually difference lol

cus mainstat gain always wins

[sharp viper]

especially not on ass²in

[real pike]

then explain my sim :>

[royal lantern]

link your sim maybe

before and after

so we can look at it

[real pike]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6wwWBYQi6bSaHYDgsc2pvd

does that show both?

[gusty mirage]

you're giga heavy on crit

using crit phial

swapping from haste mastery to crit/vers

and bracers has less stats than other pieces of armor

[real pike]

thought main stat always wins

surely 20 ilvls?

[gusty mirage]

you're disregarding the socket

that socket makes is a lot less than a 20 ilvl gain

[real pike]

said here

but yeah makes sense

so I would be going Mast/Haste or Vers not Crit atm?

[gusty mirage]

essentially what's happening is you're getting DR'd heavy on the crit on the new bracers

[real pike]

Ok cool

[gusty mirage]

so it's minimizing the gain from the agi

[real pike]

so need to change gems and missives on other gear

[gusty mirage]

ye if you swap around enchants and shit the gain would be more noticeable

[real pike]

away from crit

[gleaming geyser]

how annoying is flaring cowl`s range? Simming next craft/buillon buy and its pulling way ahead of 2nd blue silk. I do have myth track eranogg ring fwiw

[real pike]

cool ty for the help

[gusty mirage]

np friend

[gusty mirage]

we don't play acro anymore

[royal lantern]

im sure it should not sim ahead cus flaring cowl is kinda terrible

[gusty mirage]

so you're bing chilling if you wanna go cowl

[gusty mirage]

do you have your helm enchant

[gleaming geyser]

yea

[gusty mirage]

whats the ilvl dif for helm -> cowl

[royal lantern]

are you comparing double BLS with a cowl that is also a bigger ilvl difference on your head

or just the embelishment itself

[gleaming geyser]

both equal; belt and helm are 509 currently

[gleaming geyser]

already have one blue silk on 525 bracers

comparing current bracers + cowl or belt with silk

I am vers heavy because of ring, so cowl might be oversimming a bit because haste/mast are very good for me with current gear

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean cowl isn't terrible

contrary to what the angry german dragon says

[spice spire]

@ me

[balmy condor]

Link the sim

[gleaming geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nwzwfvMq2CqQfAioGMABBd/simc

[royal lantern]

im angry?

[spice spire]

One sim eh

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

lil bit

how about now

are you angry now

[gray hazel]

Any of you guys just going to craft the second BSL on your feet since that’s what we are used to? Hah

[royal lantern]

im angry at myself for never getting enough sleep

and saying every single day that i will do better

and then watch random shit when i have to wake up in 5 hours

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

do ring, belt or bracers

get out of crafted boots prison

you owe it to yourself

[gleaming geyser]

run some brackenhide

[gray hazel]

What’s wrong with boots?

[gleaming geyser]

there are good stated boots

[gray hazel]

I have myth belt already. Rings will prob be the VotI ones

Boots just make the most sense.

[gleaming geyser]

craft cowl

[gusty mirage]

the ilvl hit is less impactful on bracers/belt

but I mean it's kinda whatever

[gray hazel]

I don’t know where to stick the flavour pocket this season

Might not run it

[gusty mirage]

neck

no dps is worth sitting down an eating a feast again after a wipe like a peasant

[balmy condor]

Ilvl is carrying here I’m pretty sure, helmet is more stats than a belt would be, so with a myth track helmet/myth track belt equipped it would swing the other way

[gray hazel]

Was thinking about neck. Not a big difference for those 3ilvl

[gusty mirage]

ye

and realistically none of the necks available are particularly special

[gray hazel]

True. But this would be like what, 100dps?

[gleaming geyser]

makes sense; ill do a sim with myth track helm/belt

thanks!

[gusty mirage]

yeah probably a hundred or two if I had to guess

[gray hazel]

#bootlife for me

[somber sparrow]

we call that a boot-y call

[royal lantern]

big lack of booty in this channel for that

[rigid tartan]

gotta ask: is last boss dagger of higher itemlevel than normal myth track during season 4?

[gusty mirage]

it shouldn't be anymore

I believe the bonus ilvl is just for the rare items off last 2

[rigid tartan]

thanks, Adventure Guide shows Sark Dagger at 528 as well

[gusty mirage]

ye when they finally added the myth track it sort of solved that cringe ass issue

like the terros dagger vs brood dagger

[gleaming geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nvc5Xm9rSCCyhNWLKmX6GD/simc still similar margins; give or take 1k in favor of flaring cowl. Technically even better stat distribution on crafted belt setup. I'll craft cowl and be the ultimate booner

[balmy condor]

[real pike]

is there a point where our mastery starts getting too high and DR comes into play? currently sitting at 57%

[quiet oar]

Dont think about stats

Do what the bot guides you to do

[bright turret]

what if the bot tells me to hand over the nuclear codes

[quiet oar]

You do it

ofc

[primal jolt]

then u do it

[real pike]

bot must be getting fed up of me by now 😄 done so many sims today

[spice spire]

Oh homie

If only you knew

[primal jolt]

about to hit my cap bros

[ember mural]

[primal jolt]

soooo close to hitting the sweet 200k dps cap on assa

[royal lantern]

you probs did as many sims as whisp does in 4min when new stuff drops

[shy pecan]

Sup ho

[real pike]

I'm limited by peasant free raidbots hue

but yeah no competing with that

it's actually kind of long simming every single combination with all enchants and gems and etc

but I'm old and stubborn so still gonna carry on using gear compare instead of top gear

[primal jolt]

I FUCKING DID IT

I HIT THE CAP

time to retire for the season

[rapid maple]

Can't use assassination rough on Mytic+ anymore?

[jade carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[proper tapir]

Bis profile is simming 354.7k, idk what cap you're talking about

[clever sapphire]

cant use what?

[primal jolt]

lies

[bright turret]

354k may as well be 200k

sin in shambles fake season

[proper tapir]

Try the agi/vers leg enchant, may give you more

[primal jolt]

ye its the leg enchant

[keen spruce]

[rapid maple]

assassination rough

Because now the dps expectation of assassination rough seems very low

[subtle tundra]

yes man assassination rough

for real though

what does rough mean in this context

[proper tapir]

I think spec when translated poorly

[proper tapir]

Assassination specialization is good in mythic +. Play it and see if you enjoy it

[subtle tundra]

its a spec you can definetly play

but i wouldnt say its good

🙂

[balmy condor]

Rogue spelled wrong

[rapid maple]

yeah rouge 🤣

sry my mistake

[balmy condor]

But yeah if you think it’s fun, play it

But it’s definitely not meta

[rapid maple]

ahhh

okay thanks bro

[balmy condor]

Outlaw is just better

[proper tapir]

Hey @balmy condor, if you love outlaw so much why don't you marry it! (haha, got'em boys!)

[gleaming geyser]

It is very fun chaining silences alongside a vengeance DH though

[balmy condor]

[primal jolt]

[vestal wren]

outlaw/assassiantion hero talent combo will be a banger

[subtle tundra]

🧢

nothing related to outlaw can be fun for assa

outlaw only brings ruin

[primal jolt]

so true...

[keen spruce]

restless blades and float like a butterfly

and ace up your sleeve to slam more envenoms during KB

[spice spire]

Banger? I know of her but we don’t have that kind of relationship.

[vestal wren]

[keen spruce]

or just give me a grapple hook

[vestal wren]

fan of knives selects a random target it hits and grapples you to the position

[keen spruce]

[vestal wren]

best hero talent idea, blizz hire me

[keen spruce]

the true gamba rogue

indiscriminate carnage also grapples you to random target hit by bleed

[proper tapir]

Blade flurry and caustic spatter range increased by 5 yards and is uncapped, but single target damage is reduced by 80%.

[gusty mirage]

does this break like regular grappling hook

or what

[vestal wren]

it works just like hook ye

[gusty mirage]

perfect

I wouldn't want it any other way

[jolly turtle]

what have people bought with first bullion?

[clever sapphire]

ashes

[old halo]

ashes

[keen spruce]

cheeburger

[jolly turtle]

fair

[keen spruce]

[visual coyote]

How much does it cost to max it in one go?

[keen spruce]

like 7 bucks

[severe oyster]

Don't give them ideas. This is the type of thing some Blizz higher up would get excited about.

[keen spruce]

cuz bacon cost extra

[visual coyote]

So like 60 of each and 1k fs

[old halo]

yeah

[visual coyote]

Aight gotta get some drakes in me then

[old halo]

i had a 512 trinket already so it was free up to there, just flightstones

[real pike]

holy god it is SO nice not having to worry about picking up branch balls

[visual coyote]

It felt so bad taking 2 sockets over a mythic puzzle box

[real pike]

I am so happy

[keen spruce]

that's a good thing

[gusty mirage]

caustic is already uncapped

[gusty mirage]

and does 0 ST damage

this man is making the hero tree for assa/outlaw only a buff to outlaw

wtf

ban this guy

[balmy condor]

oxi, it's an assassination channel

endless cooking

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ramsay-raw-gif-13771788

[gusty mirage]

bro this cooking is a crime against humanity

these mfers need to be tried in the hague

[runic hinge]

Can I be on the jury

[visual coyote]

Do I just ST on amalg?

[proper tapir]

Yes

[visual coyote]

No lil spatter?

[subtle tundra]

489 ilvl gaming

yuge!

[proper tapir]

Okay take spatter

[visual coyote]

Can you still stack them or will my healers cry

[balmy condor]

your healers will probably cry

it's doable on heroic but you gotta smash one of them super hard or half your raid dies

in which case

uh

caustic bad

and on mythic you just straight up die

[digital venture]

Myth track boots with crit mastery. Was really hoping for nog ring or ashes :p

[rain oyster]

do you bind ashes to DM or kingsbane?

[subtle tundra]

we take those

[little hornet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[proper tapir]

You can, sure.

[rotund oak]

want to confirm something relative to m+

i found my dmg being higher while rupturing on every opener into garrote=>mtutilate=>ct

meaning my overalls

10s range

feels alot faster

its not bad right?

[balmy condor]

if you're playing a bleed build it's probably fine yeh

[rotund oak]

arterial precision yup

[balmy condor]

did you make sure you weren't getting the tier bug

[rotund oak]

its fukin poggies

i have no idea what is the tier bug tbh

just qued some keys,i love arterial precision

[balmy condor]

then you probably didn't do it

but yeh

rupture spamming is kinda okay but it's timing specific

if mobs don't live the rupture then it's a bit weird

[rotund oak]

so what i do is keeping 4+ cps for the next pull and even if i vanish i make sure to rupture first into garrote into mutilate coz it applies spatter and ct lands as well

and im free to spam

[high jetty]

I really enjoy the amount of build diversity you get in this spec. I literally never play the precision/bleed build

[balmy condor]

was by far the most popular build for the first half of season 3

[hexed willow]

Sorry @rotund oak

[rotund oak]

sorry for what my man?

[balmy condor]

then people started playing a bunch of poison stuff

[hexed willow]

I called you

Cause fat fingers

😦

[rotund oak]

oh lol its cool dw

[rotund oak]

it feels so good

[high jetty]

I’ve never played it honestly, you just lose so much single target, in my sims at least, that it never seemed worth

[rotund oak]

and like out of all the dungeons in this season until now i found AV being sketch and thats because the tank was too agressive

[hexed willow]

I’m still undecided between poison and bleed build this season

[rotund oak]

its a fort week

bleed build makes higher overalls

consistently

least for me

and it feels much better

[high jetty]

Yeah, my push group is priest/hunter/bear. We don’t really need more aoe. But maybe I’ll give it a shot

[rotund oak]

in 3-5target packs

when u press cds

u should smash the priest

sin is heavily overlooked

i might test it with mast/vers

but for now im gonna do all 12s

later on with gear i might push a bit

[clever sapphire]

ya been doin over 1M dps in 5 target packs when i press all cooldowns

(shock build)

only did 8s tho

no idea in higher keys

[violet jackal]

first try its just that easty

[royal lantern]

i wanna play with poison stuff irl

[high jetty]

I’ve been playing mast vers this season. I feel unkillable at like 4K vers. And it’s not really much of a loss in my sims,

[rotund oak]

i think for keys mast/vers looks the way

[subtle tundra]

man this season is a joke, 1 shotting every boss on mythic except last one

[rotund oak]

u gain some passive mitigation

[high jetty]

I was gonna play hybrid tonight since it’s fort, but ill give shock a try, fuck it

[high jetty]

Yeah, I agree for sure. I think the bleed builds tend to like crit, but I’ve got lots atm, pretty low mastery

[rotund oak]

KPB and all the subbies say the exact same thing

[subtle tundra]

i literally dont know what those words mean

[royal lantern]

you fight multiple times nerfed version of bosses that got an additonal flat 10% hp/dmg nerf with gear mixtures that where not possible

ofc its not hard if you are in a higher-ish guild

[rotund oak]

if u jump into the sub channel u will understand brother

[subtle tundra]

yea but its the first clear...

[rotund oak]

they say the same thing

[subtle tundra]

you'd expect on like zskarn to wipe once or twice

[royal lantern]

like yeha, SL fated had the OP affixes

this fated is just "everyone is OP and fights are tuned low"

[subtle tundra]

next time we'll be like 10 ilvls higher

[rotund oak]

i think that its more like giving crit to gain survivability,its not about dmg,its about making the build viable to go some lvls higher by adding vers

[gusty mirage]

ill wipe you once or twice

[subtle tundra]

i never wipe my ass

for you!

[rotund oak]

and vers is generally adding dmg,not the crit multiplier though

its flat inc

[balmy condor]

what

[royal lantern]

varas, what did you expect btw lol

[high jetty]

I agree. That’s why I’ve been playing vers. I’m immortal and it’s like a .5% loss in ST and basically a wash in d-slice for me

[real pike]

are people using caustic spatter on sark?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't

felt like a pretty big waste of time tbh

[proper tapir]

Maybe try Rup Gar Gar Mut CT, forced pandemic in AOE is good and that will pump your CT (assuming you are in 4+ targets since you said CT)

[real pike]

haha I'm using bleeding and thinking CS might be nicer

[royal lantern]

in theory it would be great

in reality its like all add fights: stuff explodes in 0,04 seconds and you did dmg 2x with splatter

[balmy condor]

if it was like prog sark

then caustic might be the move

[rotund oak]

yeah thats my ''fast'' opener i normally gar x2 to add pandemic into mut ct

[balmy condor]

but everything explodes this season

[rotund oak]

specially into caster mobs

[real pike]

we suck in my guild so adds are living, I'm gonna try it ^^

[balmy condor]

yeh go for it

[subtle tundra]

if you know youre wiping you can just try it

see how well it does

if it helps

its not a completely game changing talent to swap around

[ancient tangle]

is assa viable this season ?

in m+ or raids ?

[gusty mirage]

define viable

[nova trail]

I'm playing it and doing fine, but my goals might be different than yours I guess

[gusty mirage]

if your goals are to clear raid (on any difficulty), you won't exactly top the meters but it's not like you'll be doing tank dps

[nova trail]

That's where I'm at

[gusty mirage]

if your goals are to do +10s, then yeah it's very much viable

if you wanna push IO, just play outlaw. If you care about raid damage play mage

[ancient tangle]

ok thx mate 🙂

so outlaw is the best spec overall dmg wise for m+ and raids ?

[shy pecan]

Among rogues

[rotund oak]

questionable

[gusty mirage]

for rogues: outlaw is bis for m+ because it's tankier and just has damage all the time, for raid it's probably still sub

cause sub can move its CDs around to fit almost every boss encounter

[rotund oak]

yeah for raid sub looks better

[nova trail]

outlaw does have the weird after effect of making your arm fall off, just fyi

[hexed willow]

Learning the cd timings for sub with shadow dust for 3 raids sounds horrific

Sin and law are nice and chill

No thinking only zug

[nova trail]

yes, only borst

[ancient tangle]

what u mean ? APM ?

[nova trail]

yeah

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[tropic zodiac]

Hello, does shiv bonus nature dmgs work with boon ?
If yes, is it worth enough to be played around ?

[unborn hatch]

Hej 🙂 Someone knows if the Toxic Boots Craft Item still worth in Mythic+? 🙂

since I might be playing bad and wont use the other one with 90% health 😄

[primal jolt]

sims calculate silken at 40% usage

and it still beats boots

[hexed willow]

I like my boots for spec flexibility 😦

[primal jolt]

well yeah you can do that

it even says it in the sub wowhead guide

[gusty mirage]

it does not, it's white listed

[hexed willow]

Why can’t mastery be really good for outlaw so they can use blue silk too 😭

[gusty mirage]

I mean you can use it as outlaw

mastery's pretty decent for keys iirc

@midnight mist can confirm

[hexed willow]

I don’t like asking about secondary stats, someone’s always mad there

[gusty mirage]

all embellishments are low key ass anyway

[hexed willow]

depressingly true

[midnight mist]

mastery shit ass

blue silken bis for m+ tho

[gusty mirage]

you're bis for m+

:3

[midnight mist]

YOO

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/peaches-the-dog-damian-walter-hitting-gif-16355532

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855552726934487061/1224411287375839323/993919954804035655.gif

bro sark is so cringe

we have to stop dps in p2

for 10 min

im bored

any stop dps gamers

[gusty mirage]

yeah man I've stopped dps all tier

[thorn fjord]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

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[shy pecan]

Same

[thorn fjord]

[winter vapor]

Stupid question, but are Ashes and Grieftorch not both on use trinkets?

so should be either or + signet?

[balmy condor]

no, you would use both

[winter vapor]

So they dont share a CD? Or just macroing to different abilities?

[royal lantern]

you just use torch w/e its readdy after you used ashes

what do you wanna macro torch with lol, its a channel trinket

[winter vapor]

aha, yes. like I said, stupid question 🙂 thanks both

[marble crest]

anyone have any good ideas on what good profs are afor assassin rogue?

[tropic zodiac]

Ty !

[royal lantern]

profs are for crafting stuff and gold making, they dont have any real influence on what you play

[marble crest]

@royal lantern ya ik ive been pal ying rogue most of DF i just wanna swap professions

i got no idea what to go for tho

i tried JC BS LW

[royal lantern]

w/e you like? the question is weird lol

[marble crest]

oh mb i was asking if there were any that were especiually good on rogue

or if there were any that were more useful on rogue

[royal lantern]

i always say the same, do what you think fits or you wanna craft, if you dont care about proffesions and dont wanna do them go enchantment+alchemy for disenchanting stuff for some gold you make on the side and the QoL longer flasks and thats it

[junior aurora]

alchemy is the only one that has in combat benefits right

health pots heal a lot more for alchemists

[thorn fjord]

Fits the lore too

[marble crest]

hmmm ill try alch

i haev a tailor/enchant priest i just need to find something for this damn rogue

[junior aurora]

but honestly yeah professions dont matter much outside of some QOL stuff like longer flasks

[real pike]

do I get my sin pass revoked if I go O***** on assault?

[royal lantern]

im the biggest outlaw hater in the world

and i played both outlaw and sub backin S2 for assault

never touched assa for that fight

[real pike]

sub would prob be the best but I can't stand it

[royal lantern]

cus holy shit im not THAT stupid and tried that out

[real pike]

and I learnt outlaw for m+ so

[real pike]

lmao everyone has their price

[thorn fjord]

On mythic assault OL is superior over sub

[rigid tartan]

what's up with Windfury and PI sims not including Sub and Assa on bloodmallet

[balmy condor]

profiles haven't updated yet

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor you guys still clearing stuff for s4?

[balmy condor]

I got my fyrakk mount yesterday, one more heroic clear next week and then I get to log out

[thorn fjord]

Nice Grats

[balmy condor]

and then immediately log back in for alpha

the cycle of life

[thorn fjord]

Hopefully alpha is fun

[balmy condor]

it rarely ever is

[somber sparrow]

am I reading this correctly that assault was defeated in under 28 seconds https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vfcCBa21WQKqgRHx#fight=9&type=summary

on normal lol

[balmy condor]

slow ass kill

[lusty kraken]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

oh

our fastest was 28

in 10.1

those mfers

I mean it wasn't normal

back then

but still

mfers

[rigid tartan]

yeah we did 29secs tonight

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty confident normal assault can be done under 20

yeah easily

fastest normal kill is already 21 seconds

maybe 15

[rigid tartan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z7LmT1g4FBvytdfD#fight=23&type=damage-done
i did not get to pop my Homeland Raid Horn (2nd on use)

[balmy condor]

they're still 2 tanking

[spice surge]

Im very confident mythic assault can be done in like 30 if you do the raid later on this week

[balmy condor]

yeah

mythic should fall to 30 by next rotation at least

[spice surge]

We had him below 25% so he shouldnt have jumped away

[rigid tartan]

next week will be even more fun

[spice surge]

But he still flew away for some reason

[balmy condor]

that happened to us too

he started channeling his heal and instead of phasing to p2 he flew off

landed on a platform like in p1

and then died on that platform

was very strange

[spice surge]

Whole instance felt undertuned as hell, but we take those

[royal lantern]

hey, i was in that guild on #2 once

[balmy condor]

hey, I didn't ask

[royal lantern]

hey thats rude

still love you

[spice surge]

Like we pushed most things faster today than anytime when it was live, and theres still like 20 ilvls left on most people

[lavish jasper]

!craft

[spice surge]

Bosses are just gonna melt

[lavish jasper]

I need to stop making these up

[royal lantern]

the 10% hp nerf they did before launch was probs a bit overkill

[lavish jasper]

Flaring cowl for M+ Ideally paired with Eranog ring right?

[junior aurora]

double BSL as far as im aware

dont need flaring cowl anymore bc of helm enchant

[balmy condor]

flaring cowl is okay

but it sucks in aoe

so if you're gonna m+

definitely not cowl

[muted tide]

heya i was wondering what do you guys usually get for total damage on kingsbane with your first opener. Im pretty new to sin and have been practicing for a bit and i seem to average between 2.1m and 2.3m and cant seem to get it much higher than that https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/ysondre/wubbzy this is my armory as well incase you were curious on the gear

[balmy condor]

seems fine

I would just macro shadow dance and kingsbane together though, that shiv is a dead gcd in dance

bit of a minor optimization

also should be using garrote in that 3 second vanish window

don't tea at the start of kb

[muted tide]

yeah i just learned that you were supposed to garrote in vanish so im trying to get used to doing that now

[balmy condor]

in general though not much wrong

[muted tide]

you arnt supposed to thistle the first 6 sec on the main opener?

[balmy condor]

no

[muted tide]

i thought u did 2 for first

ahh okay

[balmy condor]

the only time you tea is the last 6 seconds of kingsbane

otherwise it's just energy

[muted tide]

kk sweet

thanks a lot homie

[balmy condor]

np

[muted tide]

also where did u pull up that graph showing the rotation that seems helpful af

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JQ48YpfaWxztZ2gn#fight=20&type=casts&source=10&view=timeline

[muted tide]

ohh shit

[amber fossil]

does dawn M+ share rest with hardmode?

reset*

[balmy condor]

dawn m+ doesn't exist

it's just m0

[amber fossil]

MO

[balmy condor]

hardmode is a toggle within m0

so it shares

[amber fossil]

dang

[balmy condor]

you just talk to the guy at the start

and instead of "start dungeon"

it's "start dungeon (hardmode)"

[amber fossil]

I was hoping to be able to run it 2x per week

will do harmode next week then

[runic hinge]

I will not be subjecting myself to doti for a small chance at a tiny amount of dps

[amber fossil]

must be nice, I need every bit I can get my hands on

and still parse dooky

[junior aurora]

not sure what an agi timestrike dagger gonna do for you anyway

[sharp viper]

shadow rupture being oer 3% of my damage feels pretty stupid

[runic hinge]

I’ve done 4 rogue keys this patch I’ll have you know

Spriest is honestly super fun

[balmy condor]

nice bug abuse

[runic hinge]

I need to get better and get better gear but caster life is so payphone

[balmy condor]

I'm reporting you to the police

[runic hinge]

Purple on pink abuse

[balmy condor]

it's okay

warcraftlogs invalidates any logs that abuse it

so it's not like it matters much really

[amber fossil]

speaking of logs, whats up with all the 100's? It's like Oprah is handing them out

[balmy condor]

That’s what happens when a new partition is made

[amber fossil]

N run last night had everyone at 100 on most bosses

[balmy condor]

You get 100’s until there’s enough kills

And then it gives you a real parse

It just doesn’t update for a day or so

[amber fossil]

ahh ok, did not know that, sry for making you repeat it

[balmy condor]

All good, not an obvious thing

[grim tree]

I guys i use outlaw in m+ and raid what reccomend sub or assa?

[analog hornet]

Hey, I uses the Ashes while Kingsbane ... But when exactly should I use them? With 10 / 8 / 6 seconds left of Kingsbane? Which ticks are the strongest? ^^ Tanks

[grim tree]

I have seen in the logs that all the people are using more sub in raid is it because of the assa bug and now will it be seen more or why?

[proper tapir]

Play what you like, mate

[analog hornet]

Yea, Assa bugs a bit, but its still funny ^^

[royal lantern]

just macro it with kingsbane or deathmark

[grim tree]

I like to play asa but I understand that in my raid if I do low damage they will rotate me for another dps

[proper tapir]

11 sec left, or whenever

[proper tapir]

You're going to do low damage either way the first few weeks while playing a new spec.

[balmy condor]

Macroing it into your dance/kb macro is easiest

[grim tree]

If I already have a silken ring embelishmen, where would you recommend making the other belt, for example? since I use rotten dolls for the outlaw

[sharp viper]

I didn't do it intentionally - please no raport

[balmy condor]

usually belt/wrist

[lime edge]

if i luckily got storm eaters boon from a chest, would i still spend my bullions on ashes of the embersoul and replace the storm eaters

[balmy condor]

you'd play both in m+

[lime edge]

double on use?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[lime edge]

wait really

[balmy condor]

that is what both means, yes

[lime edge]

[indigo ginkgo]

didnt saw til now, i thought the set was exatly the same but i am seeing the statts are from the first set ! its a bug ? or i was a dummy

[balmy condor]

the stats are different yes

the bonus is from season 3, the mog is from season 2

[plain flower]

Hows our aoe rn

[balmy condor]

compared to what

[plain flower]

Any dathea enjoyers

[plain flower]

Outraw

[balmy condor]

worse

[plain flower]

Womp womp

[primal jolt]

compared to the healer im always pumping as assa

[cloud basin]

so im using hero rotation to try and learn atleast something for assassination, but it will tell me to pool resources, so do i sit and auto attack a bit? Like im not use to it as i main arms warrior lol

[balmy condor]

yes

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[plain flower]

Dathea cant shore it up enough? Notice its never recommended roy

[balmy condor]

what

storm eaters is recommended

but what would it fix

outlaw rogues play it too

and they have more vers

so it's technically even better for them

[waxen oyster]

does the 2p buff external nature damage

or only class

[balmy condor]

no