assassination

[limber lion]

But that was also like a 0.5% dps increase so only giga tryhards did it

(me)

[junior aurora]

it was like a 1% dps increase to do that

[limber lion]

ye

[junior aurora]

but there was no reason not to

bc it was pooling time anyway lol

[limber lion]

Well it did make it more difficult and increased the apl quite a bit

Instead of a cozy, super slow spec it turned into a pretty high apm one

Had to have good macros for that

My macros were insanely good for my setup, spent a good while on them

[junior aurora]

i had a castsequence macro

did it all for me

[ebon notch]

current feral is super rewarding tho

[junior aurora]

but you also didnt have to do it bc it was so small an increase that if it would be inconvenient just dont do it

[ebon notch]

the more i improved the more damage i did

and it was very linear

[junior aurora]

always fun

then you have specs like rogue

where sometimes rng just says gg no re

[limber lion]

Really enjoy Feral, very smooth gameplay with a few proc based elements

Really enjoy getting Apex procs outside of gcd presses, unlike Blindside is for us

[junior aurora]

do you remember how cursed m+ was with feral in shadowlands cev

its why i rolled off of it lol

[limber lion]

Yeah, equivalent to CT spamming for us

Press Convoke

spam Primal Wrath

[junior aurora]

having no st damage bc legendaries/talents made it so you picked one or the other

most dungeons i ran apex legendary and just did priority damage

[limber lion]

Same

also felt better to play

[junior aurora]

yeah press aoe rip and then every gcd was bite in some pulls lol

[arctic socket]

[junior aurora]

depends

ring could be good, weapon could be good, trinket could be good

[arctic socket]

Is it 1 per week?

[junior aurora]

1 every other week it looks

[limber lion]

Whichever is the biggest upgrade for you

Depends on what drops you get as well

Eranog is easy

[junior aurora]

Easy but also only one try every 3 weeks

[limber lion]

Yep

[junior aurora]

You wont have to make a decision until after your first vault anyway

[limber lion]

Eranog is a bit difficult to sim because you need to consider Flaring Cowl and whatnot with it as well

But yeh

[junior aurora]

shadowflame embellishment

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly

[arctic socket]

Now which class is more damage atm ret or sin

[junior aurora]

or enchant

[limber lion]

That's included in the "whatnot"

[junior aurora]

Ret

[arctic socket]

Doesn’t the current helm enchant proc it?

[limber lion]

you gotta sim all of that and all the embellishments with it

[arctic socket]

Ah

[junior aurora]

oh yeah helm enchant probably procs it

[limber lion]

Yeh

Just talking about what I would do if I had to make a decision

[arctic socket]

Is that only with the legendary?

[junior aurora]

probably without the legendary too

[limber lion]

I would probs sim all embellishments, flaring cowl, the helm enchant with a good helm, enchants and so on

[junior aurora]

well helm enchant is reusable right

[limber lion]

Yep

[arctic socket]

Ye

I guess I will try and gear my ret today

[junior aurora]

most likely weapon will be #1 if you cant get one for some reason

[arctic socket]

Haven’t touched it since when ever beacon was good

[junior aurora]

id probably rate trinkets over eranog ring too

[arctic socket]

Oh yeah

I might have to buy greiftorch

Just for those weakaura messages

[limber lion]

I mean you can do it without the grieftorch

No one has to know you don't actually own one

[spice spire]

Toxic mf

[subtle tundra]

I'll just use s1 one

🫶

[spice spire]

Real

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[ebon notch]

bruh rng is worse on feral

convoke rng is a serious issue

[spice spire]

Also Apex rng

[ebon notch]

true

can be a big factor in keeping your tigers fury up

[spice spire]

Yeah love and hate feral

[spice surge]

Imagine having rng you actually feel while playing

Instead of just having rng that you notice while looking at logs afterwards

Smh my head

[junior aurora]

gonna be real

id rather have log rng than playing rng

at least then i can get tilted after the fact and not in real time

[royal lantern]

log rng is w/e

if logs are a rng meme like they are rn, i dont care cus they dont really mean "i played well" anyway then

gameplay rng can just be shit in so many ways

[spice surge]

I mean it does kinda suck if youre playing the exact same way

But one pull youre doing 30% more damage

[junior aurora]

yea but when you have proc rng it feels bad to play

[royal lantern]

ofc

this giga dmg rng we have rn should be reduced

[junior aurora]

at least rn you can feel like you’re playing this spec as well as you can

[spice surge]

Instead we can use call to suffering to massively increase our rng

[junior aurora]

well it isnt called call to happiness now is it

[royal lantern]

we can also use the new weapon enchantss for TWW, which a random stat procss again

fun

[spice surge]

Imagine if we could use the warlock one instead

[royal lantern]

so much fun

[spice surge]

Which is stats whenever you use your cooldowns

Instead we get casino

[desert inlet]

wouldn't want people to have control over their damage

[spice surge]

tfw outlaw is the rogue spec with the lowest variance

[desert inlet]

[spice spire]

Dog?

[past forum]

ur so real for that

[royal lantern]

dont worry, normal behaivor when your KB with cds only did 1,7m dmg

[viscid spear]

Going to be a treat trying to get Ash relevant

[soft shale]

use suffering use cloak

make a yin yang WA that procs when both are up

[viscid spear]

[marsh ridge]

This is quite the wild guess but whats better for higher keys directly Assasin bc of dots (same would qualify for ignite mage ofer FS mage) or still outlaw/sub rogue 🤔

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw

Outlaw is infinitely tankier and sacrifices very little for aoe

And does more damage than assassination

[subtle tundra]

Wait is assa going into fated with dogshit dps?

[earnest remnant]

bottom

[subtle tundra]

Gahdamn another patch of weighing my team down

🫶

I spit on the street

[hot fulcrum]

I do really like plater by Whispyr (https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi)
It says "Pandemic Tracking for all dots". Does anyone know if this means only rogue dots? Or it can be used by my owl for dots as well?

[spice spire]

Bit odd to announce but go off king

[earnest remnant]

u wish

[spice surge]

You know, were sub

[viscid spear]

I was going to play my Rogue this season but if Sin is terrible idk

[spice spire]

Always is

Don’t let the haters get you down

[spice spire]

Sub rogue also says he’s a bottom, curious!

[earnest remnant]

im barely playing wow

only when i have too atm

[viscid spear]

But you're right here

[spice spire]

I hope you’re enjoying the time away stealthi

[spice spire]

True

[viscid spear]

I have to raid with that terrible Alliance guild again, unless I go full Goblin Mode and become a pugger

[earnest remnant]

first time in like 6 years ive had wow burn out

[spice spire]

Happens

[viscid spear]

I also leveled a Lock so I might just play MageLock this season

[spice spire]

You just have to figure out if it’s burn out or just kinda time. Y’know?

[spice spire]

I’m gonna be sick

[earnest remnant]

playing outlaw unironically made me burn out

i still enjoy the weekly raids

[spice spire]

Now imagine how guy feels

[earnest remnant]

just not anything outside of that

[spice spire]

But yeah. Outlaw would make me quit too. Gabagool spec

[earnest remnant]

well there is a diff between me and guy

my guild doesent force me to do it

i did it to myself in m+

[spice spire]

Even worse

M+ Andy grinding

[tiny kettle]

correct me if I am wrong...and I know this is an over simplification, but assa sounds like just doing fok and then garrote and/or rupture on all the mobs for a large aoe pull and crimson here and there. Just seems kind of awkward of an aoe rotation?

[spice spire]

Not if you run spatter (which you do)

[earnest remnant]

yeah well issue being i push m+ with my friends, and i value people's time so i dont wanna play something that slows us down

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-insane-cat-deranged-cat-gif-2528630332348525147

Actively searching for Ops

[earnest remnant]

so now im just raid logging and playing Lost Ark in the downtime

[viscid spear]

My brother plays Lost Ark (or maybe Ark? Is that a game?) and it looks he's playing an Alpha Build or something.

[spice spire]

In that same breath. You being burnt out probably also slows down the end game doesn’t it?

I’m not here trying to suggest you play WoW more, but maybe just a mental note. You’re a good enough rogue that if a key is possible to play as sin or sub, you’ll be able to. Haven’t played this season, and can’t say Ik exactly where all specs are in m+. But I feel like it’s a bit exaggerated at times - again you know it better than I do. Feel like you’d have had more fun failing a key or two playing sub or sin than the law.

But you also know yourself best so I could be full of shit

[earnest remnant]

yeah im fully aware i set myself up for it this time around

its why i took a step back and just focused on what i enjoy

[spice spire]

Respect

You gonna s4 or take a break?

[earnest remnant]

im raiding yeah

dont think im doing m+

unless sub gets some changes

[spice spire]

High key I hope there isn’t a ton of tuning. Just want all resources toward TWW. An initial pass sure, but fated kinda Mickey mouse season imo

[earnest remnant]

i do think its a mix of things, i started playing LOA like a month or so ago so the game is very new to me so im having tons of fun learning it, + ive never really been a m+ enjoyer, ive always been a raider its why i play the game. Its not like i hate wow or that i dont find it fun anymore, its just only the raiding aspect i like, im still very excited for TWW to come out

Yeh 4sure sub just needs an AoE buff

all i need

[spice spire]

But not too much. Just need a sin buff like water

[woeful meteor]

just dont play sub

casting silly little spells season

[earnest remnant]

im never not playing rogue

if its shit in m+

i just wont play m+

[woeful meteor]

that's the other (better) option I guess

[subtle tundra]

Feels like I'd play windwanker

[viscid spear]

Meanwhile

[dark token]

Preach

[dark token]

Hard facts (or unless assa is good)

[somber sparrow]

they were so fast to nerf us when they thought sin was doing too much damage. yet now we've been the lowest rogue dps for a while, and it's crickets

[dark token]

Outlaw in m+ destroys the soul

(and the hands)

[spice spire]

Would rather this and good tuning in TWW than mediocre tuning in both

Not saying it’s a guarantee, but y’know

[viscid spear]

At least you guys typically rank higher.

[dark token]

Ye I might reroll WW for TWW, changes look great

[subtle cipher]

Sin is the only viable option

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/nowhed-196-196cord-cat-sniff-gif-25844720

[rotund oak]

[ebon notch]

old ppl smh

ive never had more fun playing outlaw

in its current iteration

[spice spire]

Bro that’s crazy

Didn’t ask though

[ebon notch]

wow

[spice spire]

Just ERPing rn

[ebon notch]

im watching viklund trying to get rank 1 rio

[spice spire]

Blud refuses to touch grass eh?

[ebon notch]

he's allergic

[subtle kiln]

That’s great. Mighty interesting. Did @spice spire ask?

[ebon notch]

look what you've done quacker

[subtle tundra]

atleast i dont have mouth froth

[ebon notch]

why lie

[spice spire]

Yeah ur pops

[thorn fjord]

Dont stop

Believin

HOLD ON TO THAT FEEELIN

[subtle kiln]

His pops was holding on

[thorn fjord]

You resubbed right @spice spire

RIGHT?!

[spice spire]

No

Ill@be subbed for a month or two

[subtle kiln]

Too busy with dads

[spice spire]

And then off until TWW and maybe beyond

True

[thorn fjord]

Bring that DK tank back out of the shed

[subtle kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1229440897326776451.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[thorn fjord]

Im only playing OL this tier lol

And frost mage

[spice spire]

Gross

[thorn fjord]

minimal effort

[subtle kiln]

You really do hate yourself eh?

[thorn fjord]

I enjoy this iteration of OL tbh

And hate this iteration of sin lol

[rotund oak]

how could u hate sin iteration

idk man

it never fails,pretty str8 forward

[subtle kiln]

Does damage = enjoyer
Dreams of fucking dads = hate the iteration

[rotund oak]

out fo the 3 specs sin is the most friendly

[subtle kiln]

Sub sucks. Outlaw sucks. Assa does not dmg. S3/S4 rogue tldr

[subtle kiln]

Disco Dust Elmo

[trail tree]

This is me but for sin instead of anything else ngl

Imagine playing something good when you can play sin

[rotund oak]

Sin is always high quality

those that dont understand talk crap

[thorn fjord]

The tier is lame

[trail tree]

Exactly

[thorn fjord]

I dont want to spend my time casting env in pand

shits wack

Thats my personal opinion 🤷‍♂️

[trail tree]

I mean yeah i hate the pooling tier but i legit ignore the gameplay i just pretend its any other tier bonus

Based and true opinion though

Why it got voted in again idk, its kinda whack

[spice surge]

All the other ones suck more

[rotund oak]

generally the minmax tech is cancer for every rogue spec

not even outlaw is fun

and even less fun is sub when u need to plan 2min ahead

always

sub is actually ridiculous

[trail tree]

Only fun thing about outlaw is machine gun procs

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[ashen scroll]

Remove dance from the class tree and rogue will be better

[thorn fjord]

Sub is so on the rails now that its kinda meh for reclears and stuff

Had no issue playing sub dust for prog because it made prog easier

Everything was in the same place everytime

But for reclear meh

[rotund oak]

been bitching for months now that all 3 rogue specs are locked behind a stupendously strong node(dance)

and its wrong

[ashen scroll]

They all somewhat feel the same. They all are forced into dance and theres no real getting away from it

[trail tree]

Its not even a fun gameplay loop ngl

[ashen scroll]

Aoe dots for sin and spamming bte on law

They shoe horned themselves into this gameplay loop and theres no way we're getting out

Its too powerful

[rotund oak]

its just too much to tap into just by pressing dance for different reasons for each specc

[spice surge]

Aint no way your saying outlaw, assa and sub feel the same to play right now 💀

[rotund oak]

that speaks volumes alone to how strong shadowdance is as a spell

[ashen scroll]

Not the exact same, but they feel similar to me bc of dance

[spice surge]

Even though dance is used very differently for every spec

[thorn fjord]

Nah Dance serves a completely different function for each spec

[digital venture]

they don't feel the same but they revolve around burst in stealth windows

[thorn fjord]

As it should be imo

We're rogues... Stealth is our gimmick

Let our dmg revolve around the gimmick

[rotund oak]

it shouldnt though,coz outlaw is a brawler

dance should be sub unique signature

period

[spice surge]

Why

[digital venture]

So and so. Outlaw is a pirate they shouldn't need steath, and sin is the master of poison, there could be other gimick. Sub is fine to revolve around the stealth windows but all of them...

[spice surge]

Its fun for the other specs

[rotund oak]

its not that its not fun,its more like u take something that is a core ability in one specc and give it to all other specs

[spice surge]

Seemingly a lot of people think this but pretty much the only argument for it is "that it used to be like that"

Which is kinda silly imo

[subtle tundra]

meh i dont like it for assa cause rn its completely passive

[thorn fjord]

Agreed @spice surge

[rotund oak]

its more like,u should give something to sub in return

this way u remove something unique and make sub less appealing coz the uniqueness is lost

[ashen scroll]

Anticipation 👀 it would be broken with flag tho

[viscid spear]

[thorn fjord]

Just make DB the go to load out and sub should be fine finishing out the expansion imo

Everyone seems to hate dust

They’ve been hating it for a while now

Just give us what we want

[subtle tundra]

i hate it and i havent even tried it!

actually the reason i wont play sub, cant be arsed to learn 20 different timings

[vast loom]

i bet they would be happy if they got a button that did the exact same thing as shadow dance but it was called something differnt LOL

[thorn fjord]

It’s literally just learning CD timers and when to vanish and when not to

Which isn’t the most intuitive gameplay

[subtle kiln]

They can’t figure out what to do with that spec since legion. Just delete it.

[rotund oak]

[slim hamlet]

Imagine taking dance away from us

[subtle kiln]

Nope. Go count the number of reworks they’ve done.

[slim hamlet]

A lot of problems that got fixed is back

[subtle kiln]

And now they gave it trickster. Amazing.

[rotund oak]

They could ''fix'' anything in a day

there is no way the designer doesnt know how the model works

period

maybe aura buff

blizzard style

[subtle kiln]

Buff mage and lock until tippy top

[subtle tundra]

blizz should take out the survivability nodes from outlaw tree and put them in their hero talents so we can also get them

uwu

[rotund oak]

wdym,they are already toppin bruh

😄

[subtle kiln]

That’s the style, not the current status.

[rotund oak]

i believe in sin buffs

[subtle kiln]

ST sin dps died for blade flurry, I mean splatter.

Same model as outlaw

[rotund oak]

yo but dance is good for all 3

amirite?

[thorn fjord]

We sound like a bunch of old grumpy men

[subtle kiln]

I don’t care if all three have it tbh. Just don’t put it where it is in the tree.

[rotund oak]

are we not?

[subtle cipher]

how many targets to use fok instead of mutilate?

[neat plank]

3

[vestal wren]

acro was a outlaw spell too, and i am happy its not outlaw specific

shadowstep was sub/sin and ... well maybe thats not a good one

[neat plank]

but you can't take it anyway!! 😛

[thorn fjord]

With their melee range post last week do you think we’ll lose acro?

I really hope not

[junior aurora]

i think itll be on the outlaw tree

[neat plank]

if I can't have it on ass, I'd prefer to just delete it so I don't have to live with the pain of not being able to take it

[junior aurora]

i mean ass doesnt even take it rn afaik

[neat plank]

exactly!

[junior aurora]

but realz a while back was in discord talking about how he probably doesnt like acro being a class thing iirc

[thorn fjord]

Sub does tho

[neat plank]

when are they removing echoing reprimand from the game? I don't want some angelic paladin ability polluting my sneaky backstabbing class

[vestal wren]

outlaw and sub both have design directions, which make acro fairly relevant

acro is for assassiantion kinda whatever compared

[thorn fjord]

Was still really nice when we were taking it

[vestal wren]

it is nice

[neat plank]

it's the 2nd nicest talent in WoW, behind mountain of muscle and scars

[thorn fjord]

Whatever they gave us four weeks of sweetness then took it away

We can’t have nice things on this spec

Rabble rabble

Pretty much all expansion they’ve given us love… we’d get super happy then it would get swept up from under our feet

Just the way it goes 🤷‍♂️

[severe oyster]

Damn we still only have one hero tree preview? Blizz really have no idea what to do with rogues it seems.

[neat plank]

yeah the remaining 2 trees will decide if I still main rogue in tww

if theyre like Trickster it's probably time for a break

[subtle kiln]

history continues to repeat itself

[severe oyster]

Real and true. Blizz have slowly killed all the specs and classes I like playing.

[gusty mirage]

Surely they don’t leave rogue things until the last minute 4 expacs in a row

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-gif-12813012

[reef mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-5526730

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

Sub probably getting another rework. No time to focus on other minor rogue things like hero talents

[viscid spear]

Give us Frost Mage buffs first

[gusty mirage]

I hope they delete mage

[viscid spear]

[gilded oasis]

[gusty mirage]

I hope they extra delete it now pal

[gilded oasis]

Oxi woke up and chose violence

[gusty mirage]

Homie I’m about to enter a food coma

[gilded oasis]

you didnt share?

[rotund oak]

sin's gonna prevail

i believe

[viscid spear]

He plays a Rogue, how much damage is there to cause

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

Says the frost mage

Mfer can’t even play the good mage spec

Imagine choosing a wizard and playing the inferior spec

[viscid spear]

I'm a sick human being, what can I say

[gusty mirage]

(Buff frost tho, it’s my fav mage spec)

[viscid spear]

I like freezing adds in sanguine pools

[gusty mirage]

Same

[viscid spear]

Going to goon hard as Frostfire in TWW

[gusty mirage]

Is glacial spike sick now

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

8.3 frost mage was fun as fuck

[shy pecan]

Seems like it’s back to BFA form

[viscid spear]

It's been great for a few tiers now

[gusty mirage]

Glacial spikes deleting mobs

[viscid spear]

But you have RoF erasing things too

[gusty mirage]

I’m just convinced blizzard ruins everything I like

[shy pecan]

Nerf warlocks

[gusty mirage]

I don’t think he means rain of fire BUD

[viscid spear]

No, I just hit 70 with mine

[shy pecan]

Oh

[viscid spear]

Ray of Frost

[gusty mirage]

Because Rain of fire definitely doesn’t erase shit lmao

[shy pecan]

Either way, nerf warlocks

[thorn fjord]

Gearing my frost mage up this week bb

Stoked on it

[viscid spear]

Naw, the group sees you use it in a run and they erase you from the group

[thorn fjord]

The one thing we can all agree on

[gusty mirage]

Gear this bud

[shy pecan]

Ok, later this week?

[thorn fjord]

PRESENT

[gusty mirage]

God damn

[viscid spear]

I hope you like casting Ice Lance bub

[gusty mirage]

Me playing destro in 2024, watching tanks kite out of my rain of fire

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-26327776

[viscid spear]

Me throwing out Frozen Orb, instant Blizzard, Comet Storm, Nova, Cone of Cold for resets, instant Blizzard, Frozen Orb, Comet Storm, Nova, instant Blizzard
Mobs are probably dead

I suppose I could Arcane Explosion a few time, idk.

[thorn fjord]

I do

I don’t like GS

[gusty mirage]

wtf

[thorn fjord]

Glacial spike is gimmicky

Imo

I wanna be a Gatling gun of ice

Pew pew pew

[gusty mirage]

You’re fucking gimmicky

How dare you

[viscid spear]

Shame, since GS is our nuke

[shy pecan]

You blast like two targets and gives some uniqueness to your rotation

[thorn fjord]

I said PEW PEW

Good day sir

[severe oyster]

Still not too late to delete Aug voker

[shy pecan]

IT PEWS ONE TARGET AND PEWS ANOTHER

(Love you, go heat)

[gusty mirage]

Based

[viscid spear]

Splitting Ice

[shy pecan]

EZ

Seeing big damage with GS is so nice

[viscid spear]

[runic basin]

what does an average sin sim currently ?

[viscid spear]

How do you get the Dinar again?
Looking forward to next week when I can buy the staff

[thorn fjord]

Its not going to be like how fated was?

I dont even remember how it was in fated though tbh lol

[viscid spear]

You get one Dinar (or whatever this new one is called) a week

That's why I'm asking

[thorn fjord]

@viscid spear Antique Bronze Bullion is the new currency for Season 4. We will earn 1 Antique Bronze Bullion a week per character by defeating Awakened bosses, with your total cap increasing by 1 per week, meaning you can catch up to that total amount if you miss a week or decide to play a different character

[neat plank]

question

if I buy some raid trinket and it has this awakened upgrade track that goes all the way up to max, what's the currency required for the final stages of upgrading? can it be crests from high keys or does it have to be something that drops from mythic raids?

[viscid spear]

Guess I need to bite the bullet and raid

[thorn fjord]

Not like theres much else to do

Need a guild? We need a good mage 😛

[viscid spear]

Dead By Daylight just had a patch

[viscid spear]

If I see one I'll let them know

[thorn fjord]

[viscid spear]

What realm were you again?

[spice surge]

Its just crests

[thorn fjord]

Hyjal-US

[viscid spear]

Oh jeez, I used to raid Horde there before Mal'ganis

[thorn fjord]

Its not the best but its def not the worst

[viscid spear]

I haven't really tried looking for a new guild tbh

[neat plank]

i havent been in a guild since Cata

[viscid spear]

Current one sorta decided not to care about Amirdrassil so I had to raid with my old Alliance guild

But they're casual AotC af

Which I suppose isn't too bad, I just have to get myself set up before TWW

New expansion means everyone is set back to roughly equal terms so I can do better

When do you raid?

[thorn fjord]

Tues Thurs Sun during prog 1030-130 EST

But for S4 we're only doing Tues and Thurs

[viscid spear]

1:30 in the morning?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

West coast guild

So 730-1030pm pst

I’m est but have always played on PST times lol

I hate myself

[shy pecan]

You’re psycho

[thorn fjord]

Im a night owl anyway

[royal lantern]

wait

@balmy condor double on use

what have you done

[gusty mirage]

Wdym

Torch barely counts

[spice spire]

I’ll spam torch when it’s on CD just to flame other raidwra

[royal lantern]

ye tbf its not that bad cus it will probs be just "use ashes on opener and then torch on cd"

but still

double on use

🤢

[gusty mirage]

Can always use icon still

[royal lantern]

no

sim number big

[gusty mirage]

All the trinkets this tier outside of raid trinkets are absolute dog shit

It’s pretty cool

Or if somehow fights last long enough, signet brand still good

[viscid spear]

Never change, dawg

[junior aurora]

shoutout specs that use two passive trinkets

[viscid spear]

I'm est too and have to be up at 5am Tues-Fri

[thorn fjord]

Ah ripp

[junior aurora]

those are good hours though

id apply if i wanted to raid mythic but im not feeling it

"nick of time bis at m0 ilvl"

ok yes playing mage for sure this season

[royal lantern]

bruh, if there is somebody out there stupid enough to grind nick for litearlly not even 1% in a meme season

they deserve the suffering

[junior aurora]

well its 0.4% at 515 over something at max ilvl id assume?

so probably worth doing up to the 2nd boss to avoid the need for relying on vault

or dinars

[vestal wren]

Subtlety

rly going for the 0.2% dps

moment, ill do a sin sim too

[thorn fjord]

Just be toxic and leave the group after 2nd boss kappa

[vestal wren]

Assassination

0.2% for sub
0.4% for sin

not that big

[urban lily]

always loved sin...but people are rejecting me on high keys cuz im sin lol ( even topping almost every chart ) outlaw is another universe ahead? cuz jeez...

[royal lantern]

big

gigantic

humongous

[vestal wren]

oh yes

so big

mandatory if you want to play sub/sin

(i am joking, if its not obvious)

[steel ridge]

thats what she said

[shy pecan]

I doubt it’s because of sin unless it’s like the highest of keys

[urban lily]

never played with those ppl lol, there isnt any other reason

28+

[thorn fjord]

Just join as OL and change during countdown or something

[urban lily]

LOL

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-shrek-sus-shrek-smile-gif-4983018699107868283

[subtle cipher]

I like how your mind works

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-solutions-dave-chapelle-gif-13450651

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

All relevant

[gray horizon]

The pin and wowhead gear guide are so contradictory for trinkets. Both say only use a single on-use, but both say run ashes & torch lol

I guess ashes + signet/icon is really the move?

[thorn fjord]

Torch is a weird on use because of refreshes

[viscid spear]

Death empowers you

[thorn fjord]

Darn TOOTIN

[gray horizon]

gonna have to get my torch reset WA back

[thorn fjord]

Guild made me delete that thing

I loved it

They said it was toxic

[junior aurora]

maybe dont die

and it wont be toxic

[runic hinge]

Maybe don't have a WA that makes you yell "BIG DAM INC SOME IDIOT DIED" every time it resets

[runic hinge]

it means make sure you're running at least 1 on use you can use to buff your burst

Not only 1 on use

[hot fulcrum]

Can some explain me Nick of Time farm? 515 will drop from m0. But there will be cd for m0 so only once per week I can try to take it, right? Or I'm wrong in my assumption?

[runic hinge]

That's correct

also it's a very small upgrade over something else #assassination message

[shrewd nacelle]

i stopped using a WA that does that, i started yelling it instead in my room so i can know

[thorn fjord]

My version sent a whisper thanking them for dying

[runic hinge]

[junior aurora]

if they didnt die they wouldnt see the message

skill issue tbh

[shrewd nacelle]

is it true that all rogue players smoke weed?

[gray horizon]

yes

smoke weed and listen to techno

[shrewd nacelle]

i guess im the only cool rogue who smokes ciggs

[shrewd nacelle]

TECHNO IS GOATED FR

[gray horizon]

i smoke joints, it's close enough

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

I only smoke fools like you on the bball court

[spice spire]

No

[vestal wren]

why do people who smoke weed always feel like sharing this detail

[shy pecan]

[gray horizon]

we have to let you know

[junior aurora]

bc its their personality fuu

you can smell them from here

[runic hinge]

So they can make friends who also smoke weed and they can share weed

[vestal wren]

who drinks water, bro i am a water enjoyer

[junior aurora]

cringe water enjoyer

[gilded oasis]

people put me on ignore

[junior aurora]

i drink soda to rot my teeth

[runic hinge]

same

[gilded oasis]

is it true all rogues poop seated backwards on the toilet?

[junior aurora]

i mean how else are you gonna use the shelf

[thorn fjord]

False I hate techno

[spice spire]

Fucking love water dude

[thorn fjord]

Water is goated

Followed by Sunkist

[shy pecan]

Same

[gray horizon]

Limoncello la croix is goated

[vestal wren]

childhood memories

[thorn fjord]

Ngl im also a big fan of vitamin water

Pomegranate flavor is too good

[vestal wren]

i like tea and water

[thorn fjord]

Green tea?

[vestal wren]

green tea too

green tea with citrus is rly nice

[thorn fjord]

Yeah scolding hot

So good

[gray horizon]

this shit right here

[junior aurora]

dragonfruit vitamin water goes hard af

[runic hinge]

I had some "hard" arizona green tea on the weekend and i got very drunk

[dark token]

this got some bitter taste

need some more delicate green tea

with some lemon

it goes hard

[gray horizon]

try the hard monster

10/10

[runic hinge]

I think I am gonna do less drinking this weekend

[gray horizon]

yeah right

[shrewd nacelle]

guys how do you call yourselves men if you dont smoke ciggs/weed

like what the fuck do u do

[royal lantern]

by beeing a normal guy

[shrewd nacelle]

the question was to men not to boys like yourself

[ember mural]

[thorn fjord]

Coming in hot

I don’t get how people handle their crippling anxiety w/o weed but that’s just me

I’m weak

[gray horizon]

well most people don't have crippling anxiety

and those that don't USUALLY get it from smoking said weed

[shrewd nacelle]

but we have crippling poison

[junior aurora]

suicidal thoughts and live off of spite

[shrewd nacelle]

only warlock players have those thoughts

[thorn fjord]

My lady keeps telling me this lmao

Damn

Can’t let her know she’s right

[subtle cipher]

btw sin is that terrible compared to ol? i mean, i know ol perform better but wtf

[junior aurora]

its not looking good for sin lets just say that but its still more than good enough for like 20-25

[subtle cipher]

but the dif is that huge?

people sound like ol is doing double dmg

[vestal wren]

the er bug and other things are not that big

[subtle cipher]

er?

[spice spire]

Echoing reprimand

Also I hardly know er

[thorn fjord]

I miss the old er

[subtle cipher]

never saw any ol running er

[vestal wren]

oh wait i did read bug

missread

[thorn fjord]

They don’t

[ember mural]

They do for KIR wtf

[thorn fjord]

Oh yeah

You’re right lmao

[spice spire]

KIR in this economy?

[vestal wren]

outlaw runs er in keys, and they did abuse a bug to reroll a lot before starting a key

[junior aurora]

nobody in assa chat plays outlaw

we just make shit up in here when people ask questions

[ember mural]

Bunch've gaslighters

[spice spire]

Yeah okay and

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-into-bush-disappear-not-me-meme-gif-26259758

[junior aurora]

quake also hasn't played wow in 3 years

[spice spire]

Also gaslighter? I hardly know er!

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

5 months but pop off king

Respect it

[junior aurora]

5 months is 3 years if you look at time nonlinearly

[thorn fjord]

Or quantize it in wow time

[urban lily]

i wouldnt say its terrible, but people on keys do actlike sin do less dmg than disc priest

[spice spire]

I’ve seen the average sin rogue

They’re right

[junior aurora]

average sin rogue doesn't know how spatter works

[subtle cipher]

LOL

how?

[junior aurora]

average player is bad

thats how

[spice spire]

That’s universal though, if you clear heroic, you’re like top 10/15% of players as is

[thorn fjord]

I’m such a pro

[subtle cipher]

yeah but how spatters works :3

[thorn fjord]

Ever seen an adult film?

[junior aurora]

oh you were asking how it worked LOL

[thorn fjord]

Think of every ending to one

[spice spire]

Oh LMAO

[urban lily]

my devices have parental controls, my wife dont let me ):

[thorn fjord]

Bozzos

[junior aurora]

i usually dont watch ones where the talent is ruptured and mutilated

[thorn fjord]

Y’all unintentionally ripped that guy apart

[junior aurora]

if you have rupture on a target and mutilate them it causes half of your poison damage to spread to nearby enemies

can only have the spatter debuff up on 1 enemy

people usually forget to mutilate in aoe to keep spatter up

[subtle cipher]

but when you have more than 3 you dont want to fok instead of mutilate?

[junior aurora]

mutilate is what applies the debuff

fok doesnt

[thorn fjord]

You mut to keep the debuff up

[junior aurora]

you only mutilate once and to refresh the debuff when it falls off

you aren't spamming it

[thorn fjord]

Then fok respectively

[subtle cipher]

oh got it, so just mutilate for debuff

sweet

[thorn fjord]

Yuh

[maiden rover]

It feels like 3 years

[spice spire]

Babe?

[maiden rover]

My totem just couldn’t handle life without you anymore. Had to swap to mage

[ember mural]

Real

[spice spire]

I’m gonna be sick

[cursive geyser]

Did we really take Ashes + Torch? Sorry for the question i did a longer WoW Break and came today back to the game.

[balmy condor]

Ashes + any of like 5 trinkets

but yeah, torch probably looking good

[subtle tundra]

proud to say i havent specced out of assa this season

[wild birch]

Torch on pull or 30 seconds in?

[balmy condor]

well if you torch on pull you put your ashes on cooldown so that sounds less than ideal

[cursive geyser]

so we use ashes for DM and Torch aslong Ashes+DM is on CD right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gaunt sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-herta-im-done-gif-7051224836475024829

[hollow wren]

Algethar puzzle box from AA still good choice as trinket on use after nerfs?

[dark token]

ashes is 2 min puzzle box is 3 min

and the trinket was nerfed a lot

[hollow wren]

I remember only something was in S2. Backing to assa rogue after long break. So focusing on ashes?

[gaunt sigil]

Servers are up!

[spice surge]

Puzzlebox is just a dead trinket now

Idk why they didnt un-nerf it, atleast one of them

[spice spire]

Uhdks

[spice surge]

I mean its nerfed even more for uhdks already

In theory the trinket should be absolutely banging for sub as well, but alas, number too low

[dark token]

Imagine if you had puzzle box

But it was instant instead of channeled

2 mins instead of 3 mins

And mainstat instead of mastery

[spice surge]

2 or 3 min doesnt matter for sub

3 is generally easier

[dark token]

Also short duration of buff for more burst

I was describing ashes

[spice surge]

Im aware

[dark token]

Fragment sleeper op on sub also

[spice surge]

Its alright

[gusty mirage]

It’ll be a banger when they finally buff black powder

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[winter aspen]

sorry if this is the wrong place, but just picked up rogue for the guild, which spec looks to be top and which is easier to play/learn?

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw is solid for raid and amazing in m+ and supposedly a lot of fun

Also it’s just infinitely tankier than the other 2 specs

[winter aspen]

so regardless of performance its a good starting point, ty

[gusty mirage]

Sub is better for raid but can be a little annoying to get down because invigorating shadowdust is the devil

[hollow wren]

Probably outlaw, m+ and raids much easier to learn and with versa is pretty tanky, have good dps

[winter aspen]

im ok with tracking a lot of things. finally got my guild to let me off aug QQ

[spice surge]

Both outlaw and sub are decently hard to play properly, assa requires some thinking as well

[gusty mirage]

I’m a dagger rogue fanboy, so I’ve never really tried outlaw this tier let alone expac

I’d just mess around with all 3 when you get to 70 and see which one you like most

[winter aspen]

oh im just boosting and going ;P

[gusty mirage]

While leveling sub or outlaw are WAY less annoying than assa

[winter aspen]

all gas no breaks

still had my free 70 from expansion pre order

[hollow wren]

Play what u like is the best choice

[gusty mirage]

Ye just send outlaw and see if you like it, if you hate it for whatever reason give sub a whirl

All 3 play different enough where one will stick with you

[winter aspen]

well the last time i played rogue seriously was cata, and i played Combat

[gusty mirage]

With enough overlap where it won’t be like relearning everything from scratch

Rip combat man

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

[subtle cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[hollow wren]

Dont worry, I swaping from resto sham 💪

One healer down

[winter aspen]

well i WANT to go back to healing but they are being stingy, they didnt like me topping the meters xD made one of the other healers feel insignificant LOL

i truely wish i was joking 😒

[brazen zodiac]

me too tbh

[winter aspen]

i generally just play what we dont have, as i can do most things aside from caster dps

i jump around too much and cancle casts as a caster

[neat plank]

sounds perfect for outlaw

[winter aspen]

wasnt too much an issue on aug though since its gota pretty much perma cast on move

[hollow wren]

I only play what i like, experience much better

[winter aspen]

anyways thanks for the insights, will look into the spec now

[hollow wren]

Welcome in rogue world! Keep on stealth

[gray raven]

Somthing is real broken - this is the reward from TW Weekly

[gilded oasis]

so I shouldnt turn mine in>

[spice spire]

I wouldn’t

[shy pecan]

Someone reported something about a bug

[spice spire]

I’d hold until fixed

[gilded oasis]

damn and here I thought Id get a bugged mythic one

[gray raven]

I assume they will fix it

[spice spire]

Open WoW general homies

Pinned there

Once removed turn in

[gilded oasis]

whats wow general

sounds weird

[shy pecan]

You’re weird

Sorry that was toxic

[gilded oasis]

[viscid spear]

We're all toxic

[gilded oasis]

Its my class fantasy

[thorn fjord]

Toxify me daddy

[royal lantern]

did you fix it allready

[balmy condor]

BUGS FIXED, DAMAGE RESTORED, GO HAVE FUN

[gilded oasis]

that is poggers

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah

My friend who hates rogues will be very pleased

[marble hemlock]

more reasons to not be in on raid

[versed vector]

Is a good day to be a rogue, for sure.

[distant ridge]

how did that even happen

lmao

[gilded oasis]

🍝

[shrewd nacelle]

IS ASSASSINATION THE MOST POPULAR SPEC?

[gilded oasis]

it is in this channel

[shrewd nacelle]

but how about in general

i like to play specs/classes that nobody play so i can feel important,

since im not that important irl

[gilded oasis]

welcome home buddy

outlaw/sub are more played

[shrewd nacelle]

YAY

[modest spindle]

assassination will stay the same (worst spec) in S4?

[shrewd nacelle]

wait so is assassination rogue considered one of the least played specs in the entire game?

[soft shale]

rogue in general is not played much

but assa in m+ is the least played for rogue yes you will still find quite a few in pvp or raids

[shrewd nacelle]

YAY NOW I CAN SHINE

[lucid birch]

very pog ty kanye

[thorn fjord]

So we’re pretty much useless tonight eh?

[marble hemlock]

youre in assa

so that holds true even if they fix it

[thorn fjord]

LOL damn the burn

I’m playing OL tho

[balmy condor]

outlaw is also fucked

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I know

Any idea on other classes?

Is everyone just gimped right now?

[marble hemlock]

nope, just us

feral and warlock have bugs going on as well but they help them

[spice surge]

Some are even anti gimped

[marble hemlock]

idk about dev

seemed to do crazy dam too

but that could just be people sleeping on the spec for so long cause of aug

[spice mulch]

feral is doing infinite damage with tear open wounds

[earnest remnant]

cats do be catting right now

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[runic hinge]

How are you gonna be a teal name

[spice mulch]

idk i just picked this like 2 years ago

i don't even play rogue

i just wanted to read about the rogue bug

[split jewel]

so whats the bug? is it just reduced damage in awakened raids?

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice mulch]

yeah some weird scaling shit + remix bugs?

[balmy condor]

seems to be contained to raids atm

[spice spire]

Seli is going brazy in raid rn

[runic hinge]

[vapid skiff]

!stealthbug

!stealthbugs

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into unison (spec capstone)
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[fading mason]

is there a special talent build for primal council ?

with like sbs and ct ?

[normal mist]

Any m+ build should be good enough

I'd use the cleave one - where you just cleave spatter like a boss

[balmy condor]

you can cook sbs if you want, CT is good

but yeh

just any m+ build should be fine

[fading mason]

i see thx

[wild birch]

Do you only get 1 bullion this week?

[normal mist]

Y'all ask difficult questions when the patch just dropped in NA 😦

[wild birch]

Exactly why I'm asking :D It's still season 3 in EU

[balmy condor]

1 every week

[wild birch]

Thanks

[normal mist]

@balmy condor are you ready for all the upcoming questions these next few days?

[balmy condor]

I'm notepadding anything that gets asked more than 5x

and then just making a video

and bot command

gg done

[fading mason]

seems smart tbh

[past forum]

or instead you could just make a command/video that says "who cares, season is a meme"

[normal mist]

How many bullions a week? 1 ✅;
Which spec to play? Doesn't matter ✅;
BiS list? Check pins and wowhead ✅;

Everyone asks whispyr for BiS list, but no one asks whispyr if he happy

SMH my head

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor r u happy?

[restive falcon]

i wanna upgrade my champ dagger to 515 but i feel thats griefin until i clear tn

[runic hinge]

Whisp what should I drunk dm you this weekend

[gilded oasis]

some dude just stole my trade chat spam I worked hard on wtf

[runic hinge]

I kinda wanna know. But knowing you I probably don’t.

[thorn fjord]

Report them

[gilded oasis]

it was just for crests but I worked hard to make it different and stand out and he just copy pasted it. He didnt even know how to link the item not the recipe

im sadge

and then I just got a forbidden flounder from my TW cache and nothing else

[gray horizon]

fucking RIP

[thorn fjord]

anyone know how to get my castbar back in afenars?

[restive falcon]

already got diruna ring with a socket with a fat 100 roll

[prime scaffold]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[verbal slate]

anyone got a BIS item list posted for new raid?

[steel arch]

check pinned

[balmy condor]

I'm the problem

[thorn fjord]

You're the cutie

[balmy condor]

bis lists exist

people use them

which means I have to keep making new bis lists

[thorn fjord]

Help me get my cast bar back

[balmy condor]

the cycle

[thorn fjord]

i forgot how i fixed this last time

[balmy condor]

I have no clue

[verbal slate]

i mean i say thank you ❤️

[balmy condor]

don't

thank me for creating bis

[shrewd nacelle]

thank you for creating bis

[balmy condor]

hate u

praying for the day people don't use bis lists anymore

[shrewd nacelle]

but you're my fav streamer :(

[restive falcon]

[balmy condor]

need to watch more streamers then

[restive falcon]

inc aura buff

[shrewd nacelle]

but you're the richest streamer i found

[keen spruce]

[raven egret]

Sooooo, we bugged on this fine new season day I hear

[verbal slate]

i mean i mack shift my own items for play but BIS helps me find what i might need 😄

i suck anyways

[balmy condor]

yeh there's just better ways to do that

like bis should be

here's special items to try and get

and get tier

[verbal slate]

yeah

as i'm in mythic raid 😄 lmao

[marble hemlock]

same

[gilded oasis]

hello do I see a bone spike? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

did for a while yeah

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

trying my best to avoid bugs

but bone spike fucking sucks

[gilded oasis]

😦

make bonspike great again

[spice spire]

Real

[marble hemlock]

[errant swallow]

is it too soon to cry for buffs?

[patent vessel]

man i am doing no damage on council :<

[balmy condor]

damn

2 for 1

[patent vessel]

no i read the pins im just sad

[raven egret]

I did cry a little when we started raid tonight

[errant swallow]

we all did

[marble hemlock]

i was happy

bugged rogue means i dont have to play

[timber pawn]

I dunno im still blasting towards top of meters most bosses

if we gibbed 25-40% gonna fucking smoke once we get fixed

[balmy condor]

it's not 25-40% anymore

[restive falcon]

r we fixed?

[balmy condor]

no

[restive falcon]

[balmy condor]

you can check your sanguine blades damage

once that's fixed

we're fixed

[restive falcon]

i been playing all 3 specs tonight and it feels like shit

[patent vessel]

i don't even see it on my damage breakdown

spatter also feels like it's doing fucking nothing

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's kinda the problem

[patent vessel]

hahaha

i figured

ah well, at least we are all suffering together

[raven egret]

United in suffering, what are we Demon Hunters now?

[patent vessel]

....yes

[runic hinge]

I’ve sacrificed everything. What have you given?

[patent vessel]

Suffer well.

[gilded oasis]

id love to be a DH they are getting every piece of gear dropping

[severe sparrow]

what's the range-ish on spatter? i never once ever wondered it till now

[hexed willow]

whats the reasoning that rogue specs are underperforming by 25-40% because of raid scaling? not understanding how raid scaling would have that kind of an impact

[severe sparrow]

nvm looks like 12 yards

[languid pawn]

not sure if it has already been mentioned, how would it work if i got 2 piece tonight and had 2x S4 and 2x S3?

[junior aurora]

it wouldnt

[versed vector]

It procs the 2 piece twice

so worthless

[languid pawn]

rgr

ty

[harsh harbor]

on council fights. Do you try to keep bleeds up on all four targets?

[raven egret]

so outlaws say dps issue is fixed, sub section is uh 50/50 on it, and my raid night is over and didn'T feel any better XD

[wise portal]

so did Realz find his work card?

where are the rogue's hero talents

[subtle cipher]

How is this for m+? Very dif from what I'm used to see

[woven frost]

So should Voice of the Silent Star pull you out of stealth every 30 seconds or is this a bug?

[gilded oasis]

its a feature

[runic hinge]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• evoker leggo buff (Unbound Surge) dropping
• Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star (Sark cape)
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into unison (spec capstone)
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[runic hinge]

Seems like yes

[hallow token]

Pour one out for the Toxic Thorn Footwraps I worked so hard to max out.

[woven frost]

Oof. That's a pain

Also RIP toxic booties

[shrewd nacelle]

rate my new cape

[patent vessel]

rip toxic bewtz :(

[earnest timber]

What is wrong with them?

Just DED?

[dark token]

???

this isnt out yet

[shrewd nacelle]

then call me the luckiest assassination rogue eu

[earnest timber]

I think it could get pulled from the TW cache, since I've seen people get loot from Abby

Like a Nelth sword with bugged ilevel & even the fish

[woven frost]

Confirmed. Also got one from TW cache (thus why I was asking about its stupid stealth breaks)

[gilded oasis]

Check out my fish

customer service said get fucked nothing they can do

[earnest timber]

Yeah, I've seen the photos

[cyan surge]

I don't know where to put this information, but I'm getting assassination's Natureblight set bonus on sub and outlaw.

It's procing with no set pieces on.

[runic hinge]

That’s sick

[fluid sphinx]

sb here who can help me with assa basic rotation? i'm struggeling a bit with the guide instructions.. feel free to pm me; thanks 🙂