assassination

[rotund oak]

right

[spice surge]

But its not the reason why sub is strong, it just has high numbers in general

[royal lantern]

broken tier set, numbers stupid high, 0 changes to any for that

dust is the cherry on the top of stupidity

[dark token]

Ye these are 95 percentile parses which guarantees a PI for assa basically

[royal lantern]

cus it also makes cd windows stupid and turns the gameplay into pure shit

[rotund oak]

i think dust is pivotal coz it enables a strong build perform even better

hence we play it

[dark token]

I'm surprised BM/feral is so low, they seem good

But without pi assa would be around there as well

It's propping up assa in the 95% ranks

[rotund oak]

Assa getting an aura buff
''Sapzilla 17:27 1/4/2024''

Clip it and ship it

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/diablo-joke-meme-is-this-an-out-of-season-april-fools-joke-out-of-season-gif-16662191

guess not out of season

[rotund oak]

lemme cope man 😦

[strange python]

Sort for boss dam then feral looks fine, all we do is bite bosses

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-bite-gif-26218368

[plucky warren]

Finally starting to get a better hold on keeping up the DOT’s on larger packs. Normally I’d struggle with anything past 3-4 but I’m able to keep up the rupture and garrote aswell as the green bubble I forget the name of. It feel like it’s less to manage than say outlaw but it’s more than sub. It’s a lot harder when you don’t have shadow dance and your tank chain pulls tho 😭

[royal lantern]

the big thing is

there are not really many moments where you actively dot stuff past 3-4 targets

just always keep in mind to keep bleeds running on the beefy targets that will not explode in 6 seconds/priority targets

thats mostly it

[plucky warren]

Including when you have IC and its easy to spread them?

[royal lantern]

i mean, with IC you mass spread anyway

but most of the time the small stuff is dead when IC dots are running out, or is at such a low hp that manualy dotting them again is just not really doing anything usefull

with IC you dot in masses, without IC you keep dots running on priority/big targets, thats mostly it

[plucky warren]

Yeah, considering the dots last so long

[runic hinge]

Also use vanish to spread dots as opposed to buff kb except if it lines up on bosses, so you can use shadowdance and vanish both as IC enablers

[plucky warren]

and in the mean time after the dots are up on prio you just fan of knives and envenom with the occasional mutilate to keep up caustic spatter.

[plucky warren]

yeah i have been doing this usually i hold it for if my tank chain pulls trash

[runic hinge]

a big thing is to send cd's on cd as well

Sending kb into something even if it dies before full damage is worth to make sure you're not missing casts

[plucky warren]

Yeah, so holding shit is terrible basically

less youre like RIGHT before a boss

[runic hinge]

Right

and even then, kb is 1 min cd

It'll probably be up

[plucky warren]

Yeah, at some point in the boss.

[runic hinge]

Saving DM can be worth for tyr weeks

Depedning on how high keys youre doing it can be worth sending before and having it come up during boss with execute

[plucky warren]

Yeah. Makes sense.

for now im only doing like 11's with my buddies to gear up.

But next ssn im pushing high high.

[errant swallow]

I miss playing sin guys, has anyone tried PTR? I know nothing has changed, just curious regarding performance with purchasable gear.

[proven jasper]

i expect to be mid once again

[balmy condor]

Number go up

Everyone else number also go up

[runic hinge]

What about our scaling?

[lusty kraken]

Are there any sims for assa yet

[past forum]

by my estimates, if execute phase on a boss is too short for your full cds then the key aint high enough to demand you having cds for them

[balmy condor]

Number go up, everyone else number also go up

[lusty kraken]

So assa stays mid

Sub still meta

[balmy condor]

Without any additional tuning ye

[lusty kraken]

What they did to assa was absolutely criminal

[balmy condor]

What they did to assa was fine

They just didn’t nerf sub for some reason

[lusty kraken]

The last nerf was unnecessary

[balmy condor]

Okay

[runic hinge]

First boss Hoi about to get popped by sudden demise on pull

[spice surge]

Next season is for sure an assa season in keys

[proven jasper]

For SURE

so much so im rollin arms warr

[balmy condor]

It’s April first you almost got me

My blood pressure rose but I was stronger

[vestal wren]

if you open the loot box stuff, you can join the clown club

[balmy condor]

I don’t need to join a club to be a clown

It’s just part of who I am

[proven jasper]

the world we live in is a clown world

[vestal wren]

yes, but you get a clown decoration like the one i am using rn

[proven jasper]

Wtf when did fuu turn into celery bird pokemon

[vestal wren]

only for april 1st^^

[proven jasper]

Can you tell me assa nerfs are getting reverted so i can be a clown too

[vestal wren]

maybe they will in season 4

[blazing jewel]

Is this a good april fools name

[vestal wren]

season 4 SL was all about outlaw

and outlaw is quite good atm, so not even a meme

[blazing jewel]

Where is the big man

@midnight mist

[runic hinge]

He said don’t ping him in here

[blazing jewel]

He’s my ekitten I have to ping him

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

who? you mean @midnight mist ?

[normal mist]

I wonder if diurna + flaring cowl will be good next season

[dark token]

I read something about them breaking flaring cowl

It no longer procs eranog ring or something

[normal mist]

[blazing jewel]

[proven jasper]

What a legend

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

Realest Post today

[midnight mist]

Nice

[royal lantern]

should just the scana: "insert the 0 log arms pic"

and nothing else

[runic hinge]

[proven jasper]

W

[blazing jewel]

Prove it

[runic hinge]

I mean he posted a screenshot of a blue post I don’t need any more proof than that

[keen spruce]

yeah wdym blizzard said it not me

[blazing jewel]

I shall never be benched

[keen spruce]

That's scanaW

[runic hinge]

Are you in gang activity

[keen spruce]

not Scana

smh

[blazing jewel]

No grom just comes to our alt raids

[runic hinge]

Oh my friend is trailing for them

[blazing jewel]

Hope he has an unbreakable mental

[runic hinge]

He deals with me on a daily basis so

[blazing jewel]

[runic hinge]

It’s gotta be up there

[royal lantern]

"guy that got benched"

[blazing jewel]

When did I ever get benched bozo

[balmy condor]

next expac

perma bench

[blazing jewel]

Probably

Not going to be there for fated and maybe war within so I wouldn’t expect them to hand a spot over if I am able to play

[bronze pike]

only bench if you dont have

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083948841163829388.gif?size=56&quality=lossless

BOOOOOOOOOOON

[drifting cloud]

@keen spruce blizzard is saving you

[plucky warren]

4 peice tierset is roughly a 15% increase over 2 peice correct?

[balmy condor]

depends on what situation but probably half that

[plucky warren]

Dang.

[balmy condor]

was 7.6% on volcoross

[plucky warren]

Copy. Thanks!

[plucky warren]

is using hekili a bad thing? considering trying it out

[runic hinge]

Yes

Especially for assa

[plucky warren]

ahh. ill stick with me using my brain for it then.

[runic hinge]

It has no concept of seal fate it’s just attempting to read the apl to you but it changes. I’d recommend weak auras and platers

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[plucky warren]

Right on.

[runic hinge]

I personally use luxthos’ group and ceverions plater but any of those are good

[plucky warren]

practicing rotation on this spec is a pain in the ass bc the DOT's last forever so youre always in combat and cant re stealth to restart lmao

[runic hinge]

Just run far away lol

Also idk if you’ve done this but

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[plucky warren]

👍

[plucky warren]

its so hard to quickly read the amount of mobs in the pull and then see what DOT's you have on each one to know your prio 😭 brain hurt.

normally a BM hunter player so thats context

[steel ridge]

Clean up your nameplates

Remove unnecessary debuffs (blacklist them)

So you see what matters

[shy pecan]

There's probably plater profiles that color based on what dots you have on them. Like I have one for when I have garrote/rupture, my KB, and my spatter

[runic hinge]

Cev’s is really good for cleaning stuff up and also changes to green for your spatter target

[plucky warren]

Well all of them are important i feel like it just shows all of my debuffs

i swapped to cev

its rlly good

im just slow lol

[limber lion]

You'll get there

Practice makes perfect

[versed mica]

so community figures

about those s4 sims

: )

[limber lion]

nothing changes for us

Potentially maybe a different trinket, but that's it

Same tier set, same everything

[balmy condor]

Brother fucking why

[versed mica]

memeing

[balmy condor]

Why are yellow names so god damn horny for a raidbots link

Clown shit

[versed mica]

I just ask bc raid lead telling me to get icon first thing bc "SO GOOD" but iirc it wasn't all that great for rogue

[balmy condor]

Tell him to eat shit

[versed mica]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

If my raid leader started telling me what items I need for my own character

I’d be throwing hands

Play your own damn character

[versed mica]

I ain't listening to him tbf

I just wanna prove him wrong asap bc its funny

[runic hinge]

I told my raid lead we should all get icons because it would be funny

[storm forum]

20 icons, 20 orbs

Too bad we'll probably want some double on-use garbage

[runic hinge]

Ashes and icon is my guess tbh

[versed mica]

i cant wait to flame cowl and fire ring again

[runic hinge]

Flaring cowl sucks cause it’s less than acro range so tbh fuck it. Hope I don’t drop a ring

And if I do I’ll just like bomb dispenser

[clever sapphire]

i despise the bomb dispenser, it should be a passive trinket, not an on use one

[quiet oar]

Yes

Cursedloc with a based take

[steel ridge]

yeah sometimes someones cat just walks across the keyboard of the trinket dev

and the result is bomb dispenser like trinkets

[runic hinge]

I think puzzle box is worse tbh

[steel ridge]

puzzlebox can die in huge fire

[runic hinge]

At least with bomb dispenser I just macro it and forget it

[steel ridge]

wait till it bricks all the crackshot outlaws

[runic hinge]

Write in my macro to turn off error messages

[runic hinge]

Deserved for playing OL

[steel ridge]

totally not biased take

[runic hinge]

[quiet oar]

Well it also happens for sin

You lose Subterfuge

WHich is not as vital as losing crackshot

but still

Bomb trinket would be less annoying, if it wasnt for Double on use meta in S2

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I feel like that was the issue

[quiet oar]

I mean Sin didnt play Beacon

right?

[runic hinge]

Depended I think

[steel ridge]

Call to suffering

[runic hinge]

Which was rare

[quiet oar]

Prolly Essence or call to suffering and bomb

[runic hinge]

Didn’t they nerf call to suffering

I think I ran essence cause my raid had all of them

[quiet oar]

Essence was such an annoying trinket

like who thought

Its a cool idea

to fly to all of these aspect pillars, to get all buffs

especially when your setup changes on several bosses

[steel ridge]

i think its a cool idea

[quiet oar]

Well yes but no

[runic hinge]

I mean just set your hearth to an oathstone before raid

For lore reasons

-blizzard probably

[steel ridge]

i also liked the ritual turtle shell as a trinket early in the expansion

somehow, most of the fancy trinkets are open world stuff and once raid comes along, the trinkets begin to utterly suck

raid trinkets are just carried by statbudget

[quiet oar]

Well Ritual Turtle shell was cool

because you didnt have to change it everytime someone got swapped out

[steel ridge]

ruby whelp shell was a cool one aswell, but it was like super inconsistent

[quiet oar]

with the one buff you need

Like you reclear, get to the prog boss and the dude with the Azure Vault Buff gets swapped out and nobody else has it

So one guy has to teleport or fly to the azure vault location to get the buff

[steel ridge]

optional

[quiet oar]

Its not on prog

[steel ridge]

you just said reclear

[quiet oar]

I said reclear

and going to prog boss

[steel ridge]

on prog you dont swap people every 5 minutes

so have people use the buffs they need on the actual boss

[quiet oar]

I meant

the one buff that gets covered by 1 guy who isnt on the prog boss

so you have someone on your current setup to get that buff

[steel ridge]

over exaggerated problem, just have the right buffs for the prog boss and have a less than optimal setup for reclear bosses

having 56 haste or whatever less on 5 people is not breaking your reclear

[quiet oar]

I mean its not a big Problem, but its annoying

it costs like 1-2 minutes

[steel ridge]

less annoying than beacon not critting 3 times in a fight

[quiet oar]

fuck beacon

[steel ridge]

amen

[quiet oar]

ye i dont mind the idea of the trinket, but just put a pillar in the beginning of the raid

where you can cahnge it freely

[steel ridge]

lul, blizzard cant even put a respawn checkpoint at every boss room

imagine the struggle of those gamedesigners

[quiet oar]

True

the walk back to Nymue or Larodar

even with speed buff

[clever sapphire]

just give us a grace before every boss (yes i played a bit too much elden ring lately)

[steel ridge]

i have no idea what that means

since i have not played that game ever

[quiet oar]

You have a respawn before boss room

Which wasnt normal for Souls games

[clever sapphire]

its a checkpoint that they put before every big boss

[quiet oar]

but was a QoL of elden ring

[steel ridge]

insane technology

i hope the bright mind that invented that thing got his nobel prize already

[clever sapphire]

but dark souls 2 was even worse than wows runbacks. You had like half hour runbacks to bosses and you could die midway to the boss

[quiet oar]

Never played DS2

[steel ridge]

i would instantly remove the game from my harddrive this very moment

[clever sapphire]

me neither, i watched a friend struggle to run back to a boss though

[quiet oar]

DS1 and DS3 are the better darksouls

[clever sapphire]

he was fuming with rage because he kept dying

also because you cant see shit on the way to that one boss

[quiet oar]

The run back on DS1 on the Lat boss

[clever sapphire]

so it was even worse

[clever sapphire]

understandable, i wouldnt even play it

[quiet oar]

(im happy he was really easy)

Just parry him

[clever sapphire]

anyways back to wow, runbacks are horrible and why cant we have it on every boss like its on tindral/fyrakk

[quiet oar]

Also in Dungeons

[clever sapphire]

its like they understood those bosses gonna take ages so they put a spawnpoint before them

[quiet oar]

Like why did it take them 1 Season to fix the respawns on Hoi

and you can still argue about the respawns on hoi

[clever sapphire]

just dont die 🤯

also where is a spawnpoint now? i didnt check anything yet

[quiet oar]

Afaik you spawn at the frog boss, if you killed him

[steel ridge]

its almost like blizzard doesnt have internal testing insert anakin/padme meme right here

also, where "this week in wow" post?

feel like we are running a bit late on the last hero talents

[clever sapphire]

surely its because they are gonna be cooked and amazing

[quiet oar]

Well

[clever sapphire]

[quiet oar]

they killed Tindral

and nerfed Fyrakk

[clever sapphire]

is my small tilted brain too dumb or are those fyrakk nerfs almost useless?

[steel ridge]

i am 95% certain they scrapped fatebound and deathstalker entirely after the not so well received trickster talents

because those were similar in design xD

[quiet oar]

Nah they bring more consistency and less BR usage

also, you can fuck up Cages

and still be able to kill the boss

[clever sapphire]

it was surely tied to throw knife/shuriken

after they put it on throw glaive for dh

[quiet oar]

Also less Lethal Intermission damage

[clever sapphire]

i could see them do it

[clever sapphire]

was that change so you get out of the cage after 12 sec? or do you just have more time to get into position

[quiet oar]

If no one gets you out, you get out after 12 secs

[steel ridge]

oh my fucking god, thats even worse than i thought it could be

[clever sapphire]

aight thats an okay change, i think like 10% of the prog nights im usually just sitting in a cage

because someone presses the macro with a cage

and noone breaks out one side

[clever sapphire]

assa/sub could be something that forces sepsis

[steel ridge]

thats bigbrain gaming

[quiet oar]

we didnt play with macro

[steel ridge]

god no

[quiet oar]

We used our Voice

for some of the roster

[steel ridge]

that fell out of fashion alot lately

[quiet oar]

to not use their voice

[steel ridge]

#nonverbal gaming

cause addons essentially play the boss for you

[clever sapphire]

i dont even wanna be on discord anymore

i know the boss inside out already

could play with eyes closed almost

im just waiting till everyone finally does their part

[steel ridge]

fyrakk? i basically need to concentrate for 20 seconds during intermission and payphone the rest of the fight

[quiet oar]

Nah

[steel ridge]

god bless dps monkey brains

[clever sapphire]

concentrate is a strong word there

[quiet oar]

You didnt see the Snipes people do on my raid

on the souls

[balmy condor]

idk bout killed, tindral nerfs are pretty inconsequential

[clever sapphire]

wait imagine if we still had mfd on fyrakk

just sniping the souls for full cp

[steel ridge]

jesus man, where do you find all that terror

[quiet oar]

Ye, bit exaggerated but its really reasy now

[clever sapphire]

i enjoyed mfd

[quiet oar]

like only thing you can wipe on now is Seed and if some healer dispells too fast

[clever sapphire]

the other 2 was just to scare you

i just realised, tindral has been nerfed twice since i killed her and fyrakk is still not dead

get me out

[quiet oar]

Well the HP nerf

didnt do anything tbh

imo

[steel ridge]

no, you have to suffer for your sins

but i want my mount already

[quiet oar]

for your Sin*

[quiet oar]

Fun Fact, our evoker heal got it last Thursday and left the guild instantly

[steel ridge]

wow thats a dick move like nothing else

if you are gonna bail, atleast donate it to the RL or something

[quiet oar]

Well he was supposed to trade it to someone

[clever sapphire]

our tank and monk heal left without a word 1 hour before raid, so we were unsure what to do about fyrakk prog (luckily one of our warlocks had a pala tank ready and we had an offspec heal)

[quiet oar]

but even without that in mind

[steel ridge]

oh you lootcouncil that mount?

[quiet oar]

Ye

But even without lootcouncil it wouldve been a dick move

because he never mentioned something like leaving

[quiet oar]

Thats even worse

[steel ridge]

uh thats harsh, i hope your guild can salvage the situation and kill that boss soon

[clever sapphire]

well warlock is still on tank duty, one of our ferals went monk dps and we found a healer

it just took like 2 raidnights for them all to adjust

[steel ridge]

phew

[clever sapphire]

but whateeeever surely boss dies soon after nerfs

[quiet oar]

Well less Blaze deaths

Blazes do like 250-350K damage

depedning on your Vers, avoidance etc.

[steel ridge]

just curious, whats the criteria for the mount, who gets it first?

[quiet oar]

Attandence

Because thats an issue for us

[steel ridge]

so if like 10 people have 100% attendance it gets rolled?

[frigid musk]

[spice spire]

[steel ridge]

brudi mach intermission shield weg!

[frigid musk]

[quiet oar]

Yes, but its never 10

Its like 6 people

[quiet oar]

Hör auf den Manm

[steel ridge]

fair

[frigid musk]

Wo shadow rupture proc ?

🦜

[steel ridge]

ok hot cook, deathstalker hero talents > shadow kingsbane proc.

[clever sapphire]

and you call me cooked

shadow rupture is bad enough

[steel ridge]

we usually cook for hours in guild discord until everyone present in the channel is muted because we cook so hot.

or just annoyed by rogue deep dives

[spice spire]

Blud ain’t cookin

[clever sapphire]

i usually listen to discord shit for the first hour of fyrakk prog

after that music goes full blast

and i dont hear anything

[steel ridge]

naw during raid hours its just pure unfiltered memes.

[frigid musk]

Shadow Deathmark > Shadow Kingbane

[steel ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[clever sapphire]

shadow poison bomb

a proc that can get a proc

[steel ridge]

blizzard be like: yep, ship it!

[rotund oak]

What rogue needs is cooking a passive ''signature'' ability for each spec :

1. Poisonous Onslaught for Sin : '' Rogue attacks from every direction making it impossible to avoid,a relentless attack that does ''X'' amount of increased hits and damage based on the poisons and bleeds active to the target'' 1min CD
2. Omnislash for Outlaw : '' Outlaw attacks from every direction for 3 seconds,becoming immune to crowd control for its duration.The duration is extended for each active buff '' 3min CD- Obeys Restless Blades
3. Killing Spree for Sub : '' Rogue strikes from the shadows consecutive attacks,dealing heavy unavoidable dmg to the target.This ability bypasses armor and/or active mitigation.In addition it gains double the effect of Avatar of Shadow.''(Dont ask insight for this,its too much,im nerdgasming). 2min CD.

@vestal wren

im cooking again

call realz

[clever sapphire]

sub one should be 1:45 instead of 2 minutes

[royal lantern]

no cooking

[rotund oak]

[steel ridge]

i see what you did there

[steel ridge]

passive signature ability that is active with a cooldown. bro what?

[rotund oak]

yes,we cook that into the specc

an all-out smol nuke button for all specs

rogues going Putin on dem mfkers

[vestal wren]

[rotund oak]

🫶

[steel ridge]

those buttons already exist and are more or less tuned well (looking at you killing spree)

[rotund oak]

No

i refuse

😅

ive cooked a cake and u are stepping on it

[steel ridge]

was that your best cake?

[rotund oak]

no,never said that

but u cant step on other ppl's cakes man

(joking ofc,do what u love)

[steel ridge]

i just wanna see hero talents and cook some dessert for it.

[drifting wing]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[topaz sparrow]

any cata discussions yet?

[vestal wren]

#classic-discussion

[normal mist]

S4 24 april

#wowheadnews message

[royal lantern]

in ~3weeks

and still not even 800 guilds that got CE

totally not a raid that needed adjustments that never happend btw

[lusty kraken]

keep tuning for liquid and echo 🙂

[royal lantern]

thats not a problem

can do that, when they fight the bosses, nobody else does

the problem is the lack of meaningfull changes after that

[clever sapphire]

wdym, the tree on fyrakk having less hp is a massive game changer

[slate crown]

Yo so season 4, are there any major changes for Sin's rotation or is it just the same (i.e. are there any adjustments I should be making accordingly in my WAs?)? I have been absent from retail stuff lately, just cursory glances at major announcements.

[royal lantern]

the blaze nerf is big

but like

that one should have happend 2 months ago lol

[clever sapphire]

blaze and cages aight

the other 3 are just a wtf moment

[runic hinge]

Everything looks the same so far

[slate crown]

K thanks friend 🐦‍⬛ 🐦‍⬛

[spice spire]

No major changes. Gonna recommend every weak aura but your set

[ember mural]

Where sims

[spice spire]

If I speak

[ember mural]

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

[thorn fjord]

Rip the dream

[gilded oasis]

ur so real for that

[spice spire]

Ty Willow

[storm forum]

friends how do I not doom during raid tonight?

[runic hinge]

Think of the nerfs

Put on pay phone

[spice spire]

Pay phone angle

Or Carly Rae Jepsen

[storm forum]

ok

making the playlist now

ty

[runic hinge]

Yeah tbh music helps on bad raid nights

[bronze pike]

put on disney music

[runic hinge]

Also link the playlist when it’s finished

[thorn fjord]

So does whiskey

[keen spruce]

Cut to the feeling is very gud

[spice spire]

What I’m saying

[keen spruce]

Which stealthi are u

[limber lion]

[royal lantern]

june

i have a cool hat

[woeful meteor]

August, I'm all zoomed in

[runic hinge]

Same

[earnest remnant]

thats scarily accurate

im from march

and im currently fully reclined in my chair watching series with a blanket over me

[keen spruce]

me april

@earnest remnant happy birthday did u do anything fun?

[earnest remnant]

no

[woeful meteor]

@earnest remnant what if we held hands on the rio rogue leaderboard

[runic hinge]

Happy bday qt

[thorn fjord]

Sick

[gilded oasis]

same x2

[runic hinge]

Leo szn

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/wonderdaan-desultor-wgmis-pepe-nft-gif-25694093

where s4 sim?

[spice spire]

If I say what I wish to say Moroes will slide in my dms

Horny bastard

[bronze pike]

noballs

[spice spire]

Ur right

I lost those in the divorce

[woeful meteor]

not a leo

[bronze pike]

wtf? steal them back

grand thief balls

[spice spire]

Cba

[runic hinge]

Oh no. August Virgo

[maiden rover]

payphone is always the answer

[thorn fjord]

I’m an August Virgo

[runic hinge]

Oh no

[split jewel]

any sims for s4 out yet? i need to know exactly how much fun this spec is

[balmy condor]

no

and every time someone asks the sims will take longer

[runic hinge]

Damn. Sims not coming until TWW already

[spice spire]

Miss us

[thorn fjord]

Nah the next one lol

Three more weeks and I’m raiding one night a week and enjoying life

[keen spruce]

[bronze pike]

i would stop at nothing to get back my balls

i will be sin irl

[spice spire]

Damn

[golden stag]

anyone willing to look at my logs and tell me why my damage sucks?

[balmy condor]

sure

[golden stag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wc8FnZxjb7RqzBD6#fight=32&type=summary

The raids not relevant just not sure how to split it

[brazen zodiac]

fyrakk dead :DDDDD

thanks to u all <3

[spice spire]

Gz homie

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

[sharp viper]

gz!

[gilded oasis]

gratssss

im on pull 350

[keen spruce]

did you guys sign up for race to world last

I think we're gonna

[gilded oasis]

our RL is out starting the 10th so thats our last raid night

so no

can I come join you after the 10th to race for last

[keen spruce]

possibly

our roster is pretty thin

but we might be adding overtime for the last 3 weeks lol

[gilded oasis]

yeah we have to OT because we keep canceling raid nights

[runic hinge]

I’ll come too. I’m off weekends

[shy pecan]

@limber lion Remember when we were talking about total hours played on one character? This was a friend of mine:

[sharp viper]

hot damn

[sharp viper]

our roster went from 28 players at the start of season to 21 atm (and that's with re-joiners)

fluctuation be crazy

[misty holly]

Think we will be back to flaring cowl next season to use those rings?

[balmy condor]

no

ring singular

and it's probably bomb dispenser to proc it if anything

flaring cowl got nerfed

[misty holly]

ooh didnt know that

the range on it always sucked anyways

[haughty haven]

if everything has rupture and crimson tempest bleeds, is envenom or tempest better as the aoe finisher?

[balmy condor]

envenom by a mile

crimson tempest is a bleed

doesn't do instant damage

spamming it is literally worthless

[haughty haven]

thanks, it wasnt super clear from the wowhead guide on finishers

it straight up says "Crimson Tempest for aoe damage"

[balmy condor]

np

[steel ridge]

could also be a relic from when CT did significant initial damage back 6 month ago

[balmy condor]

nah not a relic

I rewrote the entire page for the rework

it's just not the clearest

should say maintain crimson tempest for aoe damage

missing a word

[steel ridge]

👍

[misty holly]

Anyone else think the reason we haven't had Fatebound or Deathstalker previews yet is because Assassination is getting several talent changes in TWW, so seeing those hero trees now wouldnt make sense.

Until after the alpha goes live at least.

[balmy condor]

no

and that's provable, because they previewed the fury/arms tree and said that the tree is changing to allow fury to get bladestorm or whatever the skill is

[steel ridge]

the reason is probably as simple as they are not even done yet

i wouldnt be suprised if rogue hero talents arent in the first TWW Alpha build at all

[runic hinge]

they better be cool as hell

[steel ridge]

i see you already fitted the appropriate profile pic border

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

[steel ridge]

deathstalker being a fusion of the two most bursty specs in the game will probably lean towards making them less bursty (maybe rupture based or something) because being to bursty was more or less the reason kingsbane got cut down by 15% in week2 this season

the pendulum naturally will swing back to flatlining ♿ (disclaimer, i love the dmg profile of both specs)

[balmy condor]

rupture dn

[steel ridge]

i hope i am wrong

[balmy condor]

this brother yappin like mufat

[steel ridge]

everyone has to yap once in a while

once in a while being every day of the week

and twice on sundays

[shy pecan]

What's dn? 🙂

[balmy condor]

mufat balls in your mouth

wait

[shy pecan]

[steel ridge]

you just got teabagged

[frigid musk]

[quiet oar]

[slow echo]

Is deathmark on gcd?

[steel ridge]

yes

it has its own animation and applies a dot called deathmark

[slow echo]

The same with Kingsbane right?

[steel ridge]

yes

[slow echo]

Sorry, I'm getting boosted to 70 and haven't played assassination, I need this info to set up my bars :p

[steel ridge]

what would you different if those werent on the gcd?

[slow echo]

My keybindings

For example, You want to press 4 abilities all at once after shuriken tornado on sub

So, those 4 abilities have to be keybinded in a way that I can press the 4 at the same time with 4 fingers

[steel ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/kraken-gif-5941647

[slow echo]

lol

[steel ridge]

keybinding usually deranges into the worst discussions and everything ends with my guildmate who binds pistolshot on dot (yes actually dot ".")

(made by hassanki)

[quiet oar]

Crimson Vial is on alt+f4

because when i have to press Crimson Vial, its already over

[steel ridge]

the buff promised at the end of bfa is coming any minute now

[quiet oar]

You mean like the Stealth bug fixes?

[steel ridge]

nah the crimson vial changes that compensate for the nerf from 30% to 20%

but we have recuperator for that, which is nice

wait...

[quiet oar]

I remember Legion

Crimson vial also grants 20% dr

or was it 10?

[steel ridge]

i´d like that

[silver stone]

Good morning,
I can't explain why my Envenom damage is so low even though I'm doing my cycle correctly.
Here are the logs of the first 3 minutes of fyrakk.

If it is possible to get help.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cX8P1vHaJwqmWNf9#fight=42&type=damage-done&start=7700427&end=7880541&source=22

[quiet oar]

@spice spire Baby wake up, its log time

[steel ridge]

your envenom chaining lacks behind the raidbot (you got 62% chained, while the bot has like 90%)

[silver stone]

How did you see that I had 62%?

[steel ridge]

604 casts vs. 377 tierset hits = 0,62

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

no aoe involved since they wiped after intermission straight up

[balmy condor]

thats not how that works

you can't just count poison bomb

also with fyrakk there's just downtime

it's unavoidable

the chaining could be better but it's not the worst thing ever

bigger problem is that this is at minimum 4 missed envenoms

[rough reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNQxGcAo5xA

this is the opener used on the fight

[balmy condor]

thanks don't care though

you're overcapping combo points

has nothing to do with your opener

[quiet oar]

You would look into buffs

For waht you meant

[balmy condor]

yeh

the chain for sure ain't perfect

but overcapping 12-15 cp in 3 min

is pretty yikes

[silver stone]

How can I explain the difference in dps on these two photos?

And first rogue

Because overcapping changes nothing

[balmy condor]

???????????????

[rough reef]

the chain is about keep it constantly ? up time for buff the poison right ?

[balmy condor]

overcapping DEFINITELY changes something

cause you go from like 26 casts

to 31-32

[steel ridge]

26 vs 34 casts

[balmy condor]

yes

[rough reef]

but 8 cast more won't do 60k dps diff

[steel ridge]

not just that, you want to actively clip them as late as possible for the tierset to actually trigger

if you dont clip them, the tierset does ZERO

[balmy condor]

well no the 8 casts won't do 60k

but that wasn't the question

the question was explain the difference in envenoms

[silver stone]

I agree but I'm not talking about that, if you look at the photo, the average crit is 190k against 290k for the first rogue

[balmy condor]

the 60k difference is power infusion, rng, and not pushing at 2:45

[rough reef]

those are early fyrak try that why there is some confusing thing

[balmy condor]

you're doing fine

the rotation is okay

small mistakes but nothing huge

[rough reef]

that why i don't understand i m so behind

[balmy condor]

you aren't lmao

[rough reef]

ik i can upgrade some shit but i m more focus on the fight than the gameplay for the early try

[balmy condor]

if you fix the overcap issue and do your cooldown rotation the same every time

you're on target

[silver stone]

The difference in the 100k average on the crit is not a problem?

[rough reef]

average kingbane on pull is like 2M6 without pi

[balmy condor]

like this tea at the start shouldn't be there

should've been envenom -> deathmark -> shiv

but like

these are minor mistakes

[rough reef]

yep ik was just testing something for try to fix the dips on some pov seeing some assa use mana tea before the burst

[balmy condor]

yeah that's stupid

don't do that

[rough reef]

after burst i shut down to 190k quickly that why i feel so behind idk it's feel weird

[balmy condor]

that's how the spec works

[rough reef]

yes try to keep dps as possible waiting for big burst

2M6 kingbane without pi is enough ?

[balmy condor]

that number doesn't mean shit

kingsbane is rng

[rough reef]

yes :/ never crit this damn shit

[balmy condor]

could be 2 mil

could be 5

could be a billion

who fucking cares

[quiet oar]

Just crit ???

[balmy condor]

just do your rotation

and it's fine

stop worrying about stuff you can't control

[quiet oar]

Also a good life advice

[steel ridge]

aurelius enjoyer

[rough reef]

that the first time i feel behind and my rl @silver stone try to find why i do too

[fringe oxide]

At the risk of making you mad Whisper which I hope I won't how would I focus on gearing my character if I want to play M+? Do I focus on ST sims or Dungeonslice sims more? My team is an AOE powerhouse with Ret Pala and balance druid and we are running about the equivalent 22s next season.

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[fringe oxide]

Big thanks!

[silver stone]

Sorry, but to insist but why is there such a big difference in average dps (in critical) on the Envenom?

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean step 1 is maybe don't compare yourself to the rank 1 getting pi with giga RNG that's pushing into the intermission 30 seconds earlier idk

kinda really stupid to do that

[fringe oxide]

I appreciate the content on youtube more than you could ever know

[balmy condor]

running 100 meter dash against usain bolt

[rough reef]

with a weakaura would be better cause without it's hardcore tier for sure

[balmy condor]

wondering why you're losing

it's usain bolt

like

??????

you're progging p2 in april

it be like that

[royal lantern]

i'd win

[balmy condor]

that's not meant to be rude

but like

gotta realize what you're doing right

[rough reef]

@balmy condor you think on my stat i need more crit ? i use mastery on both weapon

[steel ridge]

tracking envenom buff is essential to even play the tierset correctly, but like whispyr said.... its no good to compare your performance to giga juiced PI Enjoyers with 4 ilvl better gear

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[balmy condor]

sim yourself man idk

I ain't a robot

[rough reef]

i did ton of sim but if i refered to sim he told me to keep 30% of hast not rly trusting that ?

[steel ridge]

stats dont matter, you equip whatever the robot says is the best

[rough reef]

if there any chance can make a diff for the proc of crit in kingbane tic maybe

[steel ridge]

if you feel better with 50% crit, go for it, doesnt mean it does more damage...

[rough reef]

was just looking for top player as you say but that not the same condition there all kinda 25% haste no more

[steel ridge]

you dont have the same gear as whispyr or anyone for that matter, stop comparing the numbers

focus on what you can improve and thats not wasting combopoints

which in turn smoothes out your rotation

[rough reef]

agree do you recommand to spend combo point at max for buff envenom or spend even at 5 for not loosing some cb ?

[steel ridge]

btw, you can and should envenom at 4 cp to chain the buff

in the log you sometimes sit at 4 or 5 cp and keep building

[rough reef]

so in the 6sec window i should only use only 2 generator for extend the buff and never push with 3 in the window even with free cost ?

[steel ridge]

not sure i understand what you are saying

use your combopoints more efficiently regardless if ambush is free or not

what good is a free ambush if you waste 2 combopoints?!

[rough reef]

for the window of envenom buff ( 6 sec) 2 generator = average 4 cp is enough to never push with extra generator to hit 6 cp and spend envenom ?

[steel ridge]

2 generator is alot of more than 4 cp average... its minimum 4 cp

[quiet oar]

!envenom

hmm

well, in the guide it says

Envenom at 4+ cps

so you press envenom at 4 or more cps

I think you overthink this

[rough reef]

okay i was pushing sometime that explain the lost of cp too

[steel ridge]

absolutely

[rough reef]

yep totaly

[steel ridge]

you simply wasted combopoints because you want to finish at 6

which is bullshit

[rough reef]

yep and that cost a lot of energy sometime for keep 50%

[steel ridge]

it totally wrecks your entire rotation and energy economy

it snowballs alot on a spec that values efficieny with combopoints

[quiet oar]

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[rough reef]

but easy to fix now i know i was overthinking cause of the lack of my dips

[rough reef]

does i need to wait for the envenom buff to fade for chain or i refresh before it's fade at 1 sec ?

[steel ridge]

chaining means you dont wait till it falls off... otherwise you might aswell unquip your tierset

refresh as soon as it drops below 1 second

[quiet oar]

Evenom buff does pandemic right

[steel ridge]

yes

[quiet oar]

i dont remember

[rough reef]

pandemic is not 2P it's 4P right ?

[steel ridge]

pandemic has nothing to do with the tierset, its a mechanic for buffs/debuffs to keep 30% of the duration when you reapply them

[quiet oar]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[quiet oar]

[steel ridge]

chad

pandemic is useful for our tierset tho

[rough reef]

ah okay was confused

but pandemic is a passif not a thing to track expect envenom buff for chain ?

[steel ridge]

i kinda hope the tierset finds its way into the talent tree, maybe instead of twist the knife or some shit

[royal lantern]

pandemic is a basic function in the game everyone has

thats not a rogue thing

[rough reef]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

was clueless about this

[royal lantern]

if you play holy Priest, your holy fire has pandemic aswell

[steel ridge]

yet you made it to m fyrakk

[rough reef]

i was playing ww monk to before no dot expect passif

[royal lantern]

its just called that cus Pandemic was originaly a Warlock talent with that function, and they realised "wait, this is kinda neat, we just make it work like that for everyone by default"

but like, that was aaaaages ago

most yellow names wherd not even born then

[quiet oar]

???

[steel ridge]

lmao

[quiet oar]

Nerazar is

[rough reef]

[quiet oar]

what is this color

[steel ridge]

i have transcended colors

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-confused-gif-27211437

[quiet oar]

get rid of member and you may be grey because of podcast

[steel ridge]

even tho i am an assa main at heart, i play whats best for the job

if assa is fit for the job, i will favor that

[quiet oar]

Im not even sure if you are older than me

[royal lantern]

27

aka 70% dead

[quiet oar]

im 26

[steel ridge]

what am i at 34 then?!

[royal lantern]

and 20% cat

[quiet oar]

Hyper dead

[royal lantern]

and 10% Stuart

[quiet oar]

34

and playing outlaw

[steel ridge]

my outlaw game is rusty af

[rough reef]

assa more rng than sub constant damage ?

[quiet oar]

All rogue specs

[steel ridge]

sub is more rng than assa

[quiet oar]

are rng

[royal lantern]

rogue is rng rn

[quiet oar]

There are very similar in RNG

just in differnt ways

[steel ridge]

rogue is the casino class

[rough reef]

kek lucky me

[steel ridge]

😄

[royal lantern]

like, if you want consistant dmg, dont play rogue this tier

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

this tier is giga gamble

parses mean shit

[quiet oar]

Especially with fuckign augs

[royal lantern]

cus its just hoping for the highroll

[quiet oar]

#deleteaug

[rough reef]

since they made outlaw

[royal lantern]

[steel ridge]

wdym, dont you proc your sophic, wafting and pips in your pi window?

[royal lantern]

all my evoker homies wanna play dev and preservation

but noooo

aug exists

and is such a giant mistake that the other 2 are not even worth a thought anymore

10/10 blizz

[royal lantern]

pips?

[quiet oar]

also giving aug so many things

like spatial, cheat death

[royal lantern]

you mean having 12 stacks signet at 1min 20seconds

[steel ridge]

pips friendship badge? the chad trinket

[quiet oar]

scales

and what does Dev have?

Nothing

[royal lantern]

wyrmstone, which is allready turning into warlock gate 2.0

[quiet oar]

Oh yeah

forgot about that

Also

Having a constant up knock

in your rotation

[royal lantern]

@quick matrix can you give us a FUCK AUG

[steel ridge]

evoker as a whole class should be buried after df ends

[quiet oar]

oh and your main cd shields your allies

[steel ridge]

and never be spoken about again

[quiet oar]

Wdym

Pres s1

[steel ridge]

just classify it as an expansion feature

[quiet oar]

before echo nerfs

WAS SO CHILL

I enjoyed healing the first time

[royal lantern]

nah, dev is allright and preservation is 1 of the coolest healers in the game

[quiet oar]

with Pres in S1

Like the Lifebind into Communion

or Reversion

with Golden Hour

[royal lantern]

preservation is a spec that manages to be easy to understand even if you never healed, not too much bloat, but still a really good amount of deepth you can play around

[steel ridge]

dont care, purge it

[royal lantern]

its very obvious that like 80% of evokers development time went into preservation lmao

dev was a after thought at best

[quiet oar]

and the other 20% were aug

[royal lantern]

and aug is "let reddit desing a spec"

[quiet oar]

and Dev was the first concept of aug

[bronze pike]

Pres range is cringe

[quiet oar]

True

Doing Dream breath

and the Hunter or Moonkin stand 10 yard behind you

[quick matrix]

Gotchu

[quick matrix]

Dev is simming 10% higher than any other spec for s4 fyi

Don’t tell the wow team realz don’t read this

[quiet oar]

Oh is that so? Aug now give 25% more stats and takes 20% more dmg for breath of eons

[quick matrix]

Aug is also doing very good

[quiet oar]

and cheat death CD is now 1 minute

[quick matrix]

From what I’ve heard. I cured my augtism after season 2 so I don’t keep up with it

[storm forum]

It's so fucked up that I can do the exact same button inputs on 2 pulls and 1 KB does nearly 5 mil and the other is like 2.6 mil.

This is why I don't go to the casino

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-gif-21994457

[storm forum]

[eternal nymph]

all 3 rogue specs in the top 5 of dps variance

[clever sapphire]

wdym my KB does anywhere between 1.7M and 4.5M (i dont get PI/aug so that may also factor in there)

[eternal nymph]

feels good

[storm forum]

Tbh I think being the external simp casino is the only thing keeping me playing atm

[clever sapphire]

for me its the fact that we are on fyrakk, if we were on any boss before i would have taken a break like a month ago

[storm forum]

I'm not getting wind fury. And I think the only time I don't do at least 2.5 mil is when I lose massive up time and drop shiv/env for a mechanic or weird tank movement. I could probably do 5 or 6 mil, but the only bosses I've done in the past 2 months are tindral and fyrakk and we're not hero-ing on pull and their openers suck.

[quiet oar]

Just kill it this week

[storm forum]

Yeah fyrakk has been fun so far

[clever sapphire]

i wont be there for the 2nd raidnight this week, sooo if they kill it there its joever for me

[clever sapphire]

i also enjoy p1 wipes because people cant stand still

[storm forum]

Wiping in p1 is very good for my ego

It's just me and sometimes the arcane mage at the top of the meters

[clever sapphire]

do you like wipe just after your cooldowns?

[quiet oar]

My raidleader always tells us" Its a choice"

[storm forum]

Our most common wipes were during/after the soaks. Which are like 10 seconds after opener or after second DM/KB.

[clever sapphire]

true

[clever sapphire]

ours is usually the second set of balls

so like 30 seconds after my second kb

so kinda my lowest point

[storm forum]

Yeah rip

[clever sapphire]

but its fine

at this point i only have details on for the officers so they can look at the meters when rewatching the raidnight

[quiet oar]

You can delete details

When you have augs in your raid

[clever sapphire]

neither me nor our subrogue gets aug

it all goes to 1 hunter pretty much

[quiet oar]

[clever sapphire]

and guess who went down on the details when we progged without aug on sunday

[quiet oar]

Why even bring a aug?

[clever sapphire]

i dunno

raidlead said something about utility

i dont bother with that stuff

i just press shiny buttons

[storm forum]

Time spiral + wyrmstones are pretty nice.

[quiet oar]

You can use a Heal evoker or dev evoker isntead

for time spiral

Wyrnstone is whatever

when you can priest grip

[spice surge]

Ye and nobody is playing the gamba enhance spec, so its more like top 4

[quiet oar]

Gamba enhance is the Ascendence proc thingy

right

Deeply root

[spice surge]

Cant for the healer cast while moving thing, thats only aug

[storm forum]

Healer Priest grip for second dream rend is actually so shit.

And we don't have an spriest

[quiet oar]

Ye true spatial

[spice surge]

Paradox

[quiet oar]

Well its not "mandatory"

but makes it a lot easier

[storm forum]

It's replaceable by spell warding kind of

They're so giga good

[quiet oar]

Scales are prolly also good for tank

[storm forum]

As someone who abused spacial paradox and spell warding as a healer last tier

[quiet oar]

Just put spatial into class tree ?

[clever sapphire]

remove aug, put their utility in class tree, everyone is happy

[quiet oar]

[spice spire]

Buff Aug

[quiet oar]

Quake

Why

[spice spire]

Because

[quiet oar]

Why are you a hater

[spice spire]

You mfs terrorized me all tier

It is my turn

[quiet oar]

Well

I terrorized you today too

But whisp did the log review

[spice spire]

?

[storm forum]

I like aug

[spice spire]

Ahh that was the ping

[storm forum]

I mean I don't like playing it. But I like getting simped

[quiet oar]

Ah the discord Shows you thst you got pinged

But doesnt Show you the ping

[spice spire]

I get pinged a lot

So some get lost in the sauce

[quiet oar]

[desert inlet]

I want to get off mr bones wild ride

[spice spire]

I’m glad this one did

[quiet oar]

????

[spice spire]

?????

If I’m getting trolled

[quiet oar]

Do i need to calm you down with an dog video

[spice spire]

Nah I’m calm

Just sick

[quiet oar]

Of my shit?

Or Really sick

[desert inlet]

or like

sick

[spice spire]

Oh no idgaf I’m just sick like URI

[desert inlet]

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

Oh Well. Get Well soon

[spice spire]

Ty worked yesterday, was a mistake. Today I’ve cleared so much mucus

[quiet oar]

Working when youa re sick, never goes well

But when you call in sick in US, do you still get paid for the day?

[marble hemlock]

afaik paid sickleave is very rare in the us

[desert inlet]

yeah usually they call u names and shove u in ur locker for calling in sick

they used to take ur lunch money too but now it's in an account so they can't get to it as easily

[spice spire]

I have PTO. More interested in taking care of my patients, couldn’t yesterday that’s why it was a mistake

[plucky canopy]

21 weeks, but it is finally there

[spice spire]

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