assassination

[clever sapphire]

wouldnt wanna miss that

[blazing jewel]

[leaden cypress]

Can you post talent tree of “top gear” wanna see what is played instead of kb

[balmy condor]

it's just arterial shock

[royal lantern]

your ass is not a mountain

[blazing jewel]

oh yea prove it

[bronze pike]

Ya

Send pics

[ancient rain]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

y'all would get jealous if you saw my dump truck

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dump-truck-horn-gif-12107640422426889491

[blazing jewel]

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

Yeah it is

He’s thic af

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

?????????

[spice spire]

Ur wild for that one

[desert inlet]

[cerulean walrus]

Ass ass nation

[gusty mirage]

[desert inlet]

why are u judging me i thought we were friends

[royal lantern]

i love it

[arctic socket]

Does this give me permission to post a meme ass pic? @spice spire

[gusty mirage]

No

[spice spire]

No man

[spice spire]

I’d never judge you. But ur wilding for sure. I respect it

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-away-hips-dance-run-gif-19972784

[spice spire]

That goat gonna make me act up

[dark token]

im shy, butt here you go

[arctic socket]

Would

[spice spire]

Bro you can’t say that

(Would)

[royal lantern]

dog?

[spice spire]

Yeah dog?

[spice spire]

Real

[maiden rover]

I remember when you used to say this to me.

[spice spire]

I still do

[dapper moat]

hmm is there way to add weapon runes to raidbots for simming?

[spice surge]

Theyre included by default, but you can change the default in options at the bottom

[dapper moat]

oh ok, ty m8

[thorn fjord]

I raise you Bjork

https://tenor.com/view/bjork-fighting-welcome-to-bangkok-gif-24241673

Oh damn thats a spicy gif... I thought she was a pacifist lolol

[past forum]

i remember when this happened lol as a new mom she was giga paranoid so anyone who bothered her when she was out with her kid got the HEAT

[rotund oak]

rocky balboa-ing

[dull cloak]

isn't this assault lol

[past forum]

yeah lol that journalist had been essentially stalking her for a while (i know its technically "part of the job") and at this point bjork was like nahh dawg

[thorn fjord]

Ive never seen her angry like that lol

wild

[runic hinge]

She just pretends to be a pacifist to lure the reporters into a false sense of security

[patent vessel]

that's kind of what i felt like i should do? but wasn't sure if i needed to adjust any talents

[spice spire]

A bigger loss than the 10 whatever % by not playing kb

Is not pressing kb

[gaunt sigil]

Honestly I thought I’d like Assa more this season but I think I’d rather have S2 assa

[runic hinge]

Tbh I’m having a ton of fun playing wow so idk. Maybe it’s just you

[gaunt sigil]

KB turned from my fav ability at the start to one of my least favorite abilities

[junior aurora]

man opting for s2 assa over s3 assa is a take

i think its so much better now

[gaunt sigil]

Real

I think almost everything about the spec is arguably better now, but KB just gets on my nerves most of the time

[haughty flicker]

i like kb, i just wish it just wasnt quite as rng as it can be

[gaunt sigil]

Also it’s probably unpopular opinion but I liked using echoing reprimand

And I miss acro strikes

[runic hinge]

Er mini game made between cds more interesting for sure

[gaunt sigil]

I often run no Alactrity/Deeper stratagem in favor of Acro/lethality in later mythic fights

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

tell yourself that

[runic hinge]

I mean it’s more interesting than between cds right now?

[royal lantern]

not really tbh

[runic hinge]

Okay sure. 👍

Doing something different between cds is less interesting than just refreshing bleeds

[royal lantern]

i mean, er is just

press er

press finisher when the WA in the middle of your screen glows

[runic hinge]

Sure everything can be broken down to sound simple. But doing something differently than you normally would and paying more attention to your combo points is more interesting than just mut to 4 over and over. Adding another ability and more depth between cds is objectively more interesting than what we’re doing now after kb is over

[dark token]

Ur confusing spec rework with tier set

Cause they released same time

The s2 tier set would be way better in aoe and keys and is better gameplay than the hard forcing envenom thing that the s3 tier set does

[royal lantern]

except we would use it WITH KB anyway

tbh

[runic hinge]

But it’s a 45 second cd. It wouldn’t always line up. And we’re talking last season when we didn’t play kb

If we played it now who knows

@balmy condor if we played ER now do we send on cd or save for kb

[royal lantern]

• again, and thats not evne breaking it down

we played ER for 2 patches, the ability was the opposite of interesting and engaging

cus it was always just

[balmy condor]

What

Of course you’d send on cd

[royal lantern]

ER->finisher->use when it glows

[royal lantern]

had 1min CD in my head tbh

[runic hinge]

Yes but the comparison was to what we do now between cds which is mut to 4 evenom

[royal lantern]

ye ofc you can say its more interesting i gues, but ER is just "instead of mut until 4+ cp->finisher" into "mut until 4+cp->finisher, can do at 3 cus of a charged cp and a big wa in the middle of your screen says you hit it"

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[runic hinge]

Add another ability is more interesting to me. I know people complain about button bloat but I like having more things to press even if they’re like ER or sepsis because it’s just more interesting

[balmy condor]

So it’s more interesting

[runic hinge]

Imma cook an er sepsis build for this week for fun now

[balmy condor]

“Yeah right now we go mut to 4 envenom, but with ER you have to sometimes do something that isn’t that”

[royal lantern]

i dont wanna know the horror of clunky gameplay that would be sepsis with current assa

[balmy condor]

Sepsis would just be a garrote machine between dances

[royal lantern]

aka

like it was before allready

just more garrote uptime

probs 100% now

[balmy condor]

That’s not what it was before

[royal lantern]

or close to it, idk

[runic hinge]

Yeah I would assume I’d just hit it when my dance garrote is out

[gusty mirage]

I wish you'd garrote me between dances

[balmy condor]

But idk you seem to be in a mood where everything is boring and stupid and provides 0 depth

So maybe it makes sense in your head

[royal lantern]

no, but covenant abiltiys bad

[runic hinge]

Sepsis doesn’t give me NS so I would let dance garrote run out full ya?

[royal lantern]

should stay and rot in SL where they belong with the rest of that garbage expansion

[balmy condor]

It should give you the nightstalker for that one stealth ability but that was a bug last season where it didn’t

Idk if that ever got fixed

[runic hinge]

Okay maybe I cook this weekend

[gusty mirage]

please stay out of the kitchen

[runic hinge]

[royal lantern]

i love my 70% shiv uptime 80% envenom uptime kb doing almost 2x the dmg of a 100%/100% one

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sometimes-maybe-good-maybe-shit-gif-15610659

[haughty flicker]

just start saying the lords prayer during kb

100% crit rate

[keen spruce]

Pater imon o en tis uranis
ayiasthito to onoma su
eltheto i vasilia su
yenithito to thelima su
os en urano ki epi tis yis
ton arton imon ton epiusion thos imin simeron
ke afes imin ta ofilimata imon
os ke imis afiemen tis ofiletes imon
ke mi isenegkis imas is pirasmon
ala ryse imas apo tu poniru
Oti su estin i vasilia ke i thynamis
ke i thoxa is tus eonas
Amin

the trick is getting it all in during the 14 second window

[haughty flicker]

i have literally no idea what that is supposed to be but its the right spirit

[royal lantern]

si

my french is also very good

[past forum]

not readin all’at but grats or sry that happened to u

[haughty flicker]

oh its greek

[clever sapphire]

WHISPYYYYYR where stream, i was promised a spoon being bent

[haughty flicker]

or something close

[shy pecan]

This guy...

[keen spruce]

it greek

[runic hinge]

Don’t you love getting the first firestorm on fyrakk and doing more damage than a pull you get full uptime? Me too

[balmy condor]

brother it's 1:30 in the afternoon

well

not anymore

but I just got out of bed

when tf do you think I stream

[clever sapphire]

do i look smart to you

its 10:30 in the evening here

[balmy condor]

aint my problem

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-enough-shea-brennan-sam-elliott-1883-thats-reasonable-gif-24225989

[frigid scarab]

Hi, regardless of meta or not, is sin rogue generally the easiest rogue spec to learn for a new player ?

[bright turret]

I'd say yes for raid. M+ gets a bit trickier

[royal lantern]

when we call for it....?

[royal lantern]

all 3 have their quirks, and "difficulty" changes every patch anyway

rn? ye probs

[strange python]

Anyone know any other toys besides Sturdy Love Fool and Worn Dool that can be used in raid to pre build SND before pull?? ^^

[royal lantern]

but like last tier sub was a 2 button BM hunter brain spec, rn its probs the hardest dps in the game, stuff changes in wow

[bright turret]

my small brain misses ezmode sub

[royal lantern]

you know how frking pointless that is right

[strange python]

well they also work in m+ to prebuild before key starts ect so its nice to keep SND going like in Rise or Fall with running ect

[frigid scarab]

Ok ty. Would u say leveling from 1-70 is best to learn or boosting a toon and reading guides or a combination of both?

[bright turret]

you arent gonna learn how to play any rogue spec from leveling

or any spec in the game for that matter heh

[royal lantern]

i mean, personaly i would always level by myself cus it gives some muscle memory

and ye, gameplay is not the same as it is at max lvl ofc cus low lvl classes have nothing

but can allready get some muscle memory going, which always helps

[bright turret]

if you're brand new to the game you should level first just to do it probably

[royal lantern]

and assing some keybinds and stuff

[runic hinge]

I think leveling is good for getting keybinds slowly and then learning the muscle memory and why you’re pushing buttons

[royal lantern]

(they do dmg/help you staying alive)

[runic hinge]

I boosted a mage and stopped playing it because I had no muscle memory and sucked

But the last part is generally true for most characters I play

[junior aurora]

also the weird chemicals in my brain make me more attached to things i level

boosting characters feels hollow as weird as that is

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats not weird tbh

its still a mmoRPG

[junior aurora]

i still use the boosts blizzard gives me for free but only to get classes i dont have, but i never actually play them lol

[royal lantern]

boosting a character feels more like Picking a moba character

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I can agree with that. It was my boost for free

[junior aurora]

i think the only character i boosted that i actually played was a feral druid s1 of shadowlands

and that only lasted until like 75% thru s1 when i swapped to demo lock that i levelled

[runic hinge]

Oh no. Not feral in SL

[junior aurora]

convoke was a fun button wdym

[royal lantern]

the only boosted character i played was a DH during BfA to unlock vulpera on horde side

[junior aurora]

i ended up playing the warlock more just bc feral was miserable in m+ which is what my group does

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I more meant m+ was awful

[junior aurora]

you could take brutal swipe to do ST damage but it comes at the cost of no primal wrath

like wtf was that talent row

and also it capped the amoutn of swipes you could use it was so bad lmao

[runic hinge]

Until the juiced tier set

[junior aurora]

i did not play druid in s3

[runic hinge]

That they nerfed twice

[junior aurora]

i played demo lock lol

SL journey went feral > arcane > demo

[runic hinge]

I got ksm as feral so that’s probably pretty rare

[junior aurora]

i think i did all 15s on druid

didnt get portals on druid

[runic hinge]

Yeah I did all 15’s but I didn’t think I was good enough to get portals

But also the talent setup for feral in SL was horrendous

[junior aurora]

looking at it i dont think i did any "real" keys in shadowlands until s4 where i did 23-24s

[runic hinge]

Tbh I didn’t even do pve really before SL s3

[spice spire]

Based

Real even

[junior aurora]

thinking about it tho a 24 in s4 SL would probably be like a 28 today lol

[spice spire]

PvE stinky (I’ve only played PvE)

That’s a lie, when I was chronically funemployed (a child) and some into college, I pvp’d a bit. Post cata pvp never hit tho

[junior aurora]

cata pvp was fun

(i played hunter)

[runic hinge]

I used to think I wasn’t good enough to pve and I didn’t play regularly enough to find a guild

[junior aurora]

real

until you play with these mouthbreathers in some of those heroic raids

[runic hinge]

At the start of cata you could kill people in your pounce stun as feral. Good times.

[junior aurora]

and realize you are much more capable than you thought

[blazing jewel]

[runic hinge]

Yeah lol.

[frigid scarab]

How low do you let rupture get before refreshing?

[runic hinge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[junior aurora]

if you're looking for a specific number i think its like 9ish seconds?

assuming max rupture

[frigid scarab]

Is that a talent? Sorry for all the dumb questions

[junior aurora]

pandemic is a hidden in game mechanic

if you refresh a debuff when it has 30% or less remaining it adds the 30% or less that was remaining onto the application so it "extends" it by longer

[frigid scarab]

What 😂 how are we suppose to know if it’s hidden lol

[slate crown]

Same as every other "assumed" mechanic in this video game

[runic hinge]

I usually shoot for 8 seconds left but you can find weakauras to glow when something hits pandemic

[slate crown]

stumble onto it by asking questions or finding it yourself

[junior aurora]

yup

[slate crown]

Realistically yeah, most people just have a weakaura that shows rupture duration which glows when it's safe to cast without losing duration

[junior aurora]

also i haven't played in a bit on my rogue but iirc you barely pandemic'd rupture bc it kinda just worked out for assa

where you would just use it in a kingsbane window and once in between? iirc

[slate crown]

You maintain rupture and that means casting during pandemic range

[junior aurora]

maybe it was garrote i was thinking of

[slate crown]

I don't think there's anything special to it, the only consideration is if you preserve your boosted rupture if you cast one during Dance, and the answer to that is do it if you want to otherwise don't worry about it

[shy pecan]

You don’t care as much about letting rupture finish out its damage if it was cast during dance. Only 10% additional damage on a fairly low damage ability

[runic hinge]

And it ticks slower so you’re not missing much by refreshing it

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[junior aurora]

fair enough

you def want it ticking though

for the energy

[shy pecan]

Yup

[limber lion]

You press all cds on cooldown

You don't hold anything ever pretty much

Holding cds is the biggest error people make all the time

And also the easiest to fix

So yay!

[patent vessel]

true

[shy pecan]

Better to use CDs for some value than to lose casts of them and get no value

[patent vessel]

also true

i will be better about it

[wet chasm]

I'm making a dagger (Primal Molten Shortblade). What missive should I be using? Crit/Mastery? What is that one called? I'll be darned if I can find that one on the AH.

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter honestly

as long as it's the max ilvl

[balmy condor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BetterBigCaribouNononoCat-2eTY4G665gZIu1xt

there ya go, spoon bent

[gaunt sigil]

Its over

[wet chasm]

Thank you!

[dark token]

That's a lot of pulls...

Did you start pre nerf?

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah

We had a lot of roster changes throughout too

Forced to sub

Born to assa

[balmy condor]

is that

400 pulls

of p2 prog

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah...

It got to a point where our raid lead said bad raiders are banished to hero

So around pull 480 we just went to hero and practiced add grouping like 20 times

and immediately started p3 prog

[balmy condor]

[gaunt sigil]

Still my first CE

And also

Big rank improvement for us

[haughty flicker]

meanwhile 300 pulls deep in tindral and we're just now consistently getting to p2

[gaunt sigil]

This was my first tier with this guild and they improved over 100 rankings

coincidence? I think not

[haughty flicker]

true

should put that on your resume tbh

[gaunt sigil]

Lmao I will put in on my app for next season

[balmy condor]

you have more p2 pulls

than I have pulls total

that's wild

[gaunt sigil]

MAAAN

woulda been 300 pulls less if they let me play assa smh

[earnest remnant]

[gaunt sigil]

Hey, at least we gained rankings over the seasons plus we went from like 270us after tswift to 237us

[balmy condor]

I have many comments about why we needed 300 pulls on fyrakk but I cannot say any of them out loud in public

[earnest remnant]

we shouldve been 40 ish pulls lower as well

[shy pecan]

Let's hear it

[balmy condor]

no

[dark token]

If my guild taking 400 pulls of p2 prog and I'm not the problem

I'm playing w/e I want

[gaunt sigil]

I did a couple of pulls assa and guild lead literally told me "Dont troll please play sub"

[dark token]

Assa is legit good on fyrakk depending on timings tho

I'd rate it equal to postnerf sub

[gaunt sigil]

Also we had no aug on Tswift and Fyrakk

[gaunt sigil]

It was more of the fact that I had done a majority of the pulls on sub

But this was my first time playing sub on a myth boss

I played assa the entirety of the the rest of the tier

Forced to bomb on tswift

They guild lead literally told me I worry too much about parses and that was one reason I didnt get PI and had to do bombs

[drifting cloud]

forced to do something 95% of rogues do

🤔

[gaunt sigil]

I got PI up until smold

[gusty mirage]

yall had a choice for bombs?

I was voluntold

[gaunt sigil]

same

[haughty flicker]

i got pi up until smold and when they said i wouldnt get it anymore i swapped to ret lmao

[gaunt sigil]

At least they told us that any people who did bombs dont have to on reclear

[earnest remnant]

Flying is the fun part about tindral

i get to go back to my roots

kamikaze that shit

[haughty flicker]

flying is the only reason i havent committed unspeakable acts during tindral prog already

[gusty mirage]

[haughty flicker]

gotta race the other flyers

if you aint first you're last

[balmy condor]

there's rogues that don't fly?

[gaunt sigil]

Ive heard about it in legends.

[desert inlet]

flying is for chumps

I'm first backup chump tho

[storm forum]

fgidjhgkljdah

[runic hinge]

Just put on payphone

Or did you kill your guild

[storm forum]

sub 1%

[runic hinge]

surely soon

[storm forum]

TSwift can suck my dick

but yeah

Tuesday for sure

if we last that long

I still dont have windfury

surely windfury on sub+sin+2xdh is 6 mil damage over a 7ish minute fight

[runic hinge]

Do you need me to reroll enhance for you?

[storm forum]

Nah it's ok

We have a really good enh on bench

[runic hinge]

I'm just saying

another alt I leveled to 70 and then immediately logged out of

[gaunt sigil]

I am curious about one thing

Why is it that Tight spender sims better but almost all top parses use Imp Amb?

[storm forum]

Imp Amb was better before they nerfed blindside

So some of those parses are from before the nerf probably, and some other people just never bothered to update their talent trees.

[runic hinge]

imp ambush can feel better too

more combo points is more noticable

[gaunt sigil]

But most of the top parses are post blindside nerf

And post aug hook fixes

but for a majority of bosses it looks like roughly 75% of people use imp amb

[balmy condor]

Idiots

[runic hinge]

Probably the second part of people just not updating their talents and it also being a tiny bit of dps

[gaunt sigil]

Its just not noticeable enough?

Cause KB crit rng matters more than talents

[desert inlet]

improved ambush could be more if you just highroll maybe

which is what parsing is

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah I guess. Honestly when I ran acro/lethality on tswift it felt really nice having more consistent KBs

I miss acro

Its a hot take but I will say it again

I preferred S2 assa in ST over S3 assa

[haughty flicker]

its ok to be wrong

im wrong about not liking how outlaw plays with crackshot so i know the feeling

[gaunt sigil]

Preach my brother

[desert inlet]

rework stinky

[gaunt sigil]

Preach my Sister

I wish there was a viable no KB build ngl

[spice spire]

Ur a hater

All of u haters

[earnest remnant]

some lilbro got mad at me for trading the EB branch trinket to a hunter instead this Rogue, when the hunter won the roll and its bis for both

[bleak plume]

I like improved ambush more cuz it feels good to get 4 cp from ambush which is a 100%chain extender

[balmy condor]

The big important chain extender (the entire gameplay of chaining makes up less than 1.5% damage and the difference between imp amb and tight spender is upwards of 0.5%)

[runic hinge]

The rogue should just use ashes because it doesn’t have a crappy minigame

[bleak plume]

Yeah but it's basically the only interesting mechanic of the spec to play around in single target

There's some level of chaos to it which sometimes feels good to manage

Like keeping env chain rolling while reapplying bleeds etc

[spice spire]

That’s just u being real

[rotund oak]

I like your french 🫶

[clever sapphire]

damn, strong in the head, strong in the body

exactly as i wanted it

cool hair

[balmy condor]

is that how you like your men

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[balmy condor]

thanks I haven't dyed it since blizzcon

[clever sapphire]

also good thing you clipped it, it was 3:30 in the morning at that point so i probably turned to the other side in my bed

[royal lantern]

there is alack of "where is my Favorite spoon?" in the background

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor you struggled a little bit bending spoon

[balmy condor]

the spoon is above average

that's a high quality ikea spoon ya know

[earnest remnant]

is the spoon high quality or is the arms mid quality?

[arctic socket]

He leveled his dex skill, forgot to add his points to str / int

[balmy condor]

I haven't been to the gym in a while

[arctic socket]

Idk man

Do you really need the gym to bend spoons

[blazing jewel]

whisp is my spoon

[balmy condor]

no I need the gym to look hot for my beautiful gf

[earnest remnant]

pull up

ive got a gym at home

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/comically-large-spoon-real-how-gif-24041374

^ the spoon

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/uri-geller-willpower-psychic-mind-over-matter-telekinesis-gif-26033337

[rotund oak]

whispyr so strong he bends light like black holes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jayandwine-cute-cat-cat-snuggle-cat-hug-cat-spoon-gif-17470006151249009197

the real #assassination spoon

[vestal wren]

haha

[rotund oak]

clingy night elf

[arctic socket]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hKPi4xttfFw

[rotund oak]

ive solo'd that ape btw

[bleak plume]

There is no spoon

[strange python]

hey peeps this is my gear, mostly normal dif ilvl my question is, which one of the crafted items should i replace, because the boots are a must but i need to have something with the poison embellishment and i cant wear shit anymore

i got the braces of life, belt of life and boots of toxic something

[bleak plume]

Just add the toxic embelishment to your bracers or belt via recraft

[royal lantern]

get embelishments->mainhand weapon (if you dont have one at the same/better level allready)->fill low lvl slots until you are lucky and get something better

thats how you handle crafted items for every single class

[strange python]

humm but i can wear all the items even adding the embelishment?

cuz i think the belt got one

is there a way to get rid of it?

nvm found it 🙂

[pseudo elm]

The use of Cruel Dreamcarver, Carve out a piece of your target´s dreams. What kind of benefit does it actually give? Is it worth using?

[spice spire]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[clever sapphire]

i heard critter is the best

cause then you can blame your unlucky procs on critter giving you -10 luck

[strange python]

Also, i got 33% and 54% mastery (not grouped)_ should i

33% crit

should i replace the crit gem for the mastery one

[pseudo elm]

Try to sim it on raidbots

[strange python]

kk

[pseudo elm]

I got the mastery gem on my neck, and 2x +70 haste % +33vers

&*

[serene flicker]

What is this about?

Oh I see

[manic river]

Does blindside now overwrite mutilate like HO does with SS as Outlaw?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[manic river]

That's lovely. I'm getting kinda bored of Outlaw lately, cause i played it for so long now and it bothers me, that my damage looks like shit in progress, cause Outlaw hasn't the greatest burst 😛

[clever sapphire]

than how come you came to assa

[manic river]

I was assa main a long time ago. Meta made me play outlaw and i love it. But sometimes i feel like playing something different. I never really liked sub, so it's gonna be assa 😄

[vestal wren]

no problem, subtlety still loves you

[clever sapphire]

a one sided love

[arctic socket]

He doesn’t need the shadows, carpal tunnel has his back!

[rotund oak]

sub is when uve tasted all beer and wine and nothing rly satisfies you

then you try whiskey

thats where sub is

learn the class not the specc 😉

[gilded oasis]

I'm ready for our Fyrakk to actually take longer than Tindrall. Jk we might not get CE

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

Don’t worry I won’t get CE either

[royal lantern]

this tier is just wild

not even 700guilds got CE

insane

[vestal wren]

the wild thing about it is

every of the last nerfs had a lot of people getting upset about mythic beeing too easy

[clever sapphire]

fecking elitists

[royal lantern]

every time

like, sorry but

[vestal wren]

so peopl actively feel offended if they reduce the content difficultly

[royal lantern]

nerds should get a life

[vestal wren]

the problem is

[royal lantern]

simple as that

[manic river]

I play all specs, but as long as i'm free to play what i want, it will never be sub. If i do high keys or ce progress and it's demanded, that i play meta, i will do it, tho.

[vestal wren]

the bubble this opinion stems from is often the top end

[shy pecan]

More mythic raid nerfs are probably coming is my guess with knowledge that S4 is coming soon?

[vestal wren]

so players people look up to

[royal lantern]

if your self worth is dictated by content beeing tuned shit for most people, you should re-value your entire perspective

[runic hinge]

It's crazy cause it's not even most people

[gilded oasis]

yeah, self worth should only be dictated by your IO

[runic hinge]

Like 2% of wow players are getting CE at most

[shy pecan]

Yeah, definitely

[vestal wren]

i think dratnos podcast they talked about the community figure post was interessting

[gilded oasis]

we should have been done by now really but we had SO many canceled nights and people just not focusing this tier it seems like

[past forum]

self worth should be dictated by how someone's cat reacts to you the first time they meet you

[runic hinge]

my self worth is dictated by the fact I've only played 1 spec in m+ this season

[royal lantern]

REAL

(the cat is an asshole and hates everyone)

[vestal wren]

because, and i don't assume intend on this

[rotund oak]

can respect the preference

[vestal wren]

the author did suggest a solution about lower rewards for mythic raiding

and the solution would be

https://tenor.com/view/excited-so-drums-gif-11982656

give players the ability to upgrade their geat 4 more tracks after killing farakk

so essentially, giving peopl who kill it 39 item levels on everyone else

[runic hinge]

I think the hard roster requirement is a big detriment to getting people into mythic raiding

[vestal wren]

^ this stood out to me the most

because it would also allow mythic players to go mythic -> mythic without gear farming

[past forum]

the solution to fixing a problem was to reintroduce an old problem, nice

[vestal wren]

my point here was

that people often try to create solutions that only benefit themselves

[past forum]

a very natural thought process, to be sure

[royal lantern]

i would never do that

and now fix rogue specs by making assa raid, outlaw m+ and sub pvp

[vestal wren]

haha

[past forum]

it's nice that blizz is listening, but unfortunately they're listening to vocal minorities and ping-ponging to meet the needs of different people

[vestal wren]

i think some changes make a lot of sense

e.g. the higher item level gap between tiers gives gear a meaning

you now can replace gear in normal/heroic

and don't need to wait for mythic to even consider it

this is why the solution mentioned is so controversial

[royal lantern]

the problem this tier is just that the tindral/fyrakk spike is ridicolous for most raidteams, and that the nerfs they did dont really help THAT much as they think they did

[vestal wren]

it obviosely wants to the system but only for the top 1-2% of players

[royal lantern]

yes, seed change is big

but there are many other things on fyrakk that make it a horrible Fight

ok, i have overall the opinion that fyrakk is a very bad fight

[vestal wren]

there is too much player agency

in the last fights

one player can kill the entire raid

[royal lantern]

and just nothing happening from blizz side

[vestal wren]

and this for 10 minutes often

we return to old xpacs

and blizz officially stated this to be bad practice and design

[royal lantern]

yep

[vestal wren]

but i wouldn't say its intentional

wow just sees a lot of flux in their development team

and the result is, a cycle of ever repeating mistakes

[royal lantern]

nah, its not at all

its relly just weird that the lack of changes is a thing rn

thats it

for those Fights

[vestal wren]

the current tier has just a very weird difficultly curve

the first 5-6 are easy for most guilds

smolderon is the first boss you rly feel the difficultly jump

and the last 2 are just devestating

the crafting and gear upgrade systems also did lad to people going with 90% of their max dps into mythic first weeks

so you don't get a natural growth of power level, but are already fairly capped out

tho there is no "fun" solution to the problem

[royal lantern]

yep

[vestal wren]

limiting m+ to have loot in the same quantity to raid just kills off its appeal

[royal lantern]

ik its a unpopular opinion

but aberrus sarkareth is how a endboss should be overall

and not this "throw against a wall 400-500x lol", not anymore, we went past that beeing good or reasonable

[vestal wren]

^ and this has a flip site effect.
Now everyone that isn't able or willing to spam m+ is hit with a "skill issue"

[runic hinge]

All I have is skill issues

[steel ridge]

blizzard might have overdone this tier difficulty a bit 😄

[royal lantern]

again, its ok by itself, the lack of bigger and meaningfull changes is more the Problem

when we dont even have 800guilds having CE now, something is VERY wrong

people can cry "OMG ITS NERFED ENOUGH FREE KILL OMG" however they want

get a life if you act like that

its obvious that this is not the case rn lol

[steel ridge]

i just wish it would be less of a WA fiesta

macro this, macro that

[haughty flicker]

I pressed the macro!

[royal lantern]

I pressed the macro!

[runic hinge]

(you didn't press the macro)

[royal lantern]

(was outdated)

[vestal wren]

what i mean, some people consider doing 80-100 keys every week a skill

and will let your raid team and guild know how they are unhappy if others arn't running a similar amount

this is the "skill gap"

[runic hinge]

I have done 41 20+'s this whole season and I am burnt out on m+

[vestal wren]

and stkill in this dynamic is just having the time and motivation

(i personally don't)

[haughty flicker]

Not blowing your brains out after doing 80 keys in a week is definitely a skill I don’t have

[royal lantern]

81 keys overall

over 50 where fall

[runic hinge]

I did 18 falls in the first 2 weeks and was like okay I'm done with that place I don't wanna go back, only got 1 champ dagger

[haughty flicker]

I got one dagger and never did fall again assuming I’d get it in vault eventually

Never did

[spice spire]

Weak willed

[royal lantern]

yeha, atleast i had that payoff and got 2x vault dagger

but man

i never want such a key bs again

[runic hinge]

I got a 489 nick week 3 so ligma

[spice spire]

I might

[past forum]

luckily one of our raid tanks was determined to get scale on all of his toons so i always had someone reliable to run it with lol

[pseudo elm]

i liked m+ at first, but now its way to time consuming. People leaving, takes time to get group etc etc. So thats the reason i dont play m+ that much anymore. And its not often i get anything i need from vault, and i could still improve my gear pretty much so its not like i have it all. Raids on the other hand i really like.

[royal lantern]

m+ feels bad cus its so forced onto you

[pseudo elm]

agreed

[royal lantern]

if you dont spam m+, you are legit trolling your raid

like, hard trolling

on the otherhand, spamming m+ is one of the least fun activitys in the game

even more if you play a non-meta class/spec

cus GL then

just pain

[pseudo elm]

Dident think about it like that, mabye thats the reason tbh

[royal lantern]

and 90% chance that your raidteam will have their own ssmall m+ groups, so you mostly sit there scrapping scraps or pug stuff

[shy pecan]

M+ is hugely wonderful great content wdym

[royal lantern]

M+ is good

[pseudo elm]

They do, and i could join for sure. but i dont want to

[royal lantern]

forced to spam m+ is horrible

[haughty flicker]

Yup pretty much this lmao

[royal lantern]

and we are forced

[haughty flicker]

I pugged 90% of the time and pugging is ass even as a meta class

[shy pecan]

Come to NA, I’ll tank for you then without pugging

[royal lantern]

pugging is always ass

[shy pecan]

(If I decide to play again )

[royal lantern]

but again

pugging suck

but cus m+ iss like 80% of the game rn

you are forced to do it

have fun

thats why i legit hate m+ rn

if i could actually chose to do it and have fun with it? sure

but they decided to make everything in this game about m+ at this point, so i started to hate it and the community that grew around it (cus man, m+ pushers/r.io chasers are really the wow verison of "LoL ranked climbers")

get gear overall? m+

vault? m+

fucking RAID TIER SET? m+

like???????????????????????????????

[haughty flicker]

The fact that I got more tier from m+ than raid does kind of suck lmao

[royal lantern]

raid tier sets best obtained on a high lvl trought m+ just feels like a joke

you could remove all gear from raids except trinkets

and it would change nothing on the gear people use

thats the state we are in rn

actually ridicolous

mythic raid gear only mattering in the first 1-2 weeks for the absolute top end guilds that can do a couple mythic kills during that time, for everyone else it m+ drops and m+ vault items

like bro, what the actuall fuck is that, who thinks thats healthy

[junior aurora]

actually remove gear from mythic raid and just make it cosmetic

[runic hinge]

Remove the fights too and just make it a story mode interactive cutscene

[junior aurora]

let me queue it in rdf too

[runic hinge]

As someone with a wack work schedule I hope blizzard makes delves good content. Having stuff to do solo would be huge for me and my already insatiable wow addiction

[junior aurora]

oh no

he's getting excited for island expeditions 😔

[haughty flicker]

Ok but

Island expeditions could’ve been really good

[past forum]

i had fun with islands and horrific visions and all'at, i'm not putting my faith in blizz to do it right but i certainly am not assuming they won't

[haughty flicker]

It was just shit they got forced on us for power

[junior aurora]

you're missing the poitn

all of these things could have been really good

[haughty flicker]

Grinding 1000 islands for power was so shit

[junior aurora]

and then blizz gets in the way of themselves

[royal lantern]

island expeditions where kinda allright when you could spam them for cosmetics (but the cosmetic drop rate hsould have been higher)

for power?

fuck off

lol

[haughty flicker]

This time for sure though

[junior aurora]

island expeditions were cool when you target farmed cosmetic drops by killing specific mobs

[haughty flicker]

Surely they finally get it right

[junior aurora]

and then they removed that

[runic hinge]

Well if they don’t add infinite grinds and just make it for like vault slots or something it won’t be that bad

Solo queue content you can get okay gear from would be good for the game imo

[clever sapphire]

you mean... like... m+?

(didnt play in bfa)

[haughty flicker]

why does dk get a cooler version of kingsbane

[royal lantern]

thats not like KB at all

it has max stack slol

[haughty flicker]

1m ramping damage cd isnt like kb at all?

[junior aurora]

kingsbane has max stacks you just realistically don't hit it without external help lol

but reaper's mark also doesn't do a DoT it looks like, its just a big hit after 12seconds

[royal lantern]

eh, during BL with deathmark you sometimes hit it

[junior aurora]

BL is external help tbf, not a rogue ability

[haughty flicker]

this is the main difference ye

[dark token]

Yo

Why doesn't our KB infect nearby targets

[haughty flicker]

it even gets an execute and spatter damage from tree lmao

[dark token]

When the target with KB dies

[haughty flicker]

its KBs cooler older brother

[dark token]

This solve assa m+

Realz we need it now

[junior aurora]

i'd say maybe we get KB spread thru hero talents but i can't see what other rogue spec would have a similar enough node to put there too

[haughty flicker]

they very clearly saw the issues kb and similar abilities had and took that feedback for this ability

now they just need to take that feedback for kb itself

[dark token]

Ye this is literally kingsbane but 2.0

Infects nearby targets and explodes if the target gets below 35% with no one to travel to

Insta fix kb

[royal lantern]

sepsis infects targets

read the tooltip

🤓

(fuck sepsis btw)

[junior aurora]

can sepsis go bye

[fallow canopy]

rider of the apoc seems pretty cool theme wise

[clever sapphire]

ah so now you want me to start looking for where my kb went if my target dies

in a 10-20 mob pull

[haughty flicker]

better than it disappearing entirely lmao

[dark token]

Just have it go back to ur weapons

And jump to ur next autoatked target

[junior aurora]

or just have it pop and do like a splatter to everything around it

[haughty flicker]

ye can just make the explosion part happen if the target dies

instead of swapping target

[clever sapphire]

i did it guys, i convinced my officers to not have to kick an add on fyrakk

[soft shale]

so now you have to kick and gouge it

[limber lion]

So thoughts on the new trees

:---)

[haughty flicker]

i like fatebound

[thorn fjord]

I smoke tree's

[gusty mirage]

ww/brew one looks terrible

[limber lion]

I like the DH one

like it all looks super good

[gusty mirage]

eh

[limber lion]

except the fact that it's tied to the glaive

[gusty mirage]

yeah

lmao

[junior aurora]

mage one, hunter one both look good

[gusty mirage]

WOW

MORE GLAIVES

[junior aurora]

dk ones look cool

everything else i didnt read

[gusty mirage]

kinda like the rogue one we saw looks good

except it's tied to feint and distract

[limber lion]

like if they had a different ability to trigger the effect then it would be good

but why glaive

[haughty flicker]

yeah tie it to fel rush dhs will like that

[gusty mirage]

they've really really pushed throw glaive as a rotational thing

when it's been a meme in previous expacs

but DHs seem happy

so

(disclaimer: I haven't seen their reaction in felhammer and I'm scared to check)

[haughty flicker]

always better to avoid that discord anyway

[gaunt sigil]

I try my best to stay away from DH disc

I’m ngl rider of the apocalypse looks really strong

But I also have never played DK so

Might have to try them since they are gonna get real movement

[royal lantern]

its really just "play like you allready do with 0 changes in any form or shape, you sometimes do a bit more dmg"

[gusty mirage]

Dw also gives them 2% haste! Wow!

[royal lantern]

tbf, i favor something like that over some of the other trees

atleast passive shit is inoffensive

and doesnt affect you

[gusty mirage]

It emotionally affects me

[royal lantern]

yes

cus we didnt made a OT pillow fort yet

[grizzled jay]

Someone throw the link for new Hero.Talents

[gaunt sigil]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/12-new-hero-talent-trees-revealed-first-monk-shaman-and-demon-hunter-trees-338082?webhook

[grizzled jay]

ty

Damn ours must be straight dookie

[vestal wren]

sadly nothing for rogue

[normal otter]

let them cook

[vestal wren]

well they mentioned it

[vestal wren]

[junior aurora]

well one of them is

hopefully the other two arent lol

[past forum]

trickster to me has some "rushing to finish your paper 5min before class starts" energy, surely mr realz is cookin up some heaters for the other two

[gilded oasis]

WE WERE MENTIONED

[runic hinge]

Our hero talents are just in stealth

[royal lantern]

ATTENTION

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/attention-notice-me-please-notice-me-need-attention-notice-me-senpai-gif-19829808

[royal lantern]

"x rogue stuff is in stealth" is so bad and old that it is funny again

then became bad again cus overused

and then funny again

[gilded oasis]

this is the way

[junior aurora]

yeah but you have to keep making the joke

[haughty flicker]

its tradition

have to laugh

obligated to as a rogue

[runic hinge]

Yeha. You don’t get the irony if you don’t keep making the joke.

Most of my jokes must be in stealth because no one laughs at them

[junior aurora]

its ok im laughing at you in my head

[vestal wren]

don't worry we all know the feel if you make a joke and nobody reacts

[gilded oasis]

my whole life. Good thing I only make jokes to make me laugh, hits every time

[runic hinge]

Yeah same. Just trust I’m laughing over here

[past forum]

I was grocery shopping and I texted my gf “can’t find the fish oil (krill issue)” and she didn’t bust out laughing. The disrespect

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[vestal wren]

lol

[dark token]

Let them cook

The later talent trees are always better

Cause they learned lessons from previous feedback on the other trees

[vestal wren]

the problem is

we don't know if the trees arn't already done

the design space looks a lot smaler compared to DF

[dark token]

I mean it's not that much smaller

Lot of df talents were ripped from previous talents or expacs

It's just the pathing which had to be made

These are all new

[vestal wren]

i think you completly underestimate the extend

[dark token]

So it's similar amount of new talents to code and implement actually

Yeah the pathing takes up a lot of game design space

[vestal wren]

the trees ended up re-designing specs

in comparisons

the hero talents have one theme

it is to fit the fantasy

you have the spec as is as baseline to work with

and build on top

[dark token]

I agree it's smaller but not super small like people seem to think

It's more than like

Conduits

For sure

[vestal wren]

it is like adding 3 new capstones

[dark token]

Similar to legion weaps

Imo

[vestal wren]

and some minor nodes

[gilded oasis]

ive got a minor node

[vestal wren]

so for me, at least on the surface it seems easier to do

i don't want to devalue dev time tho i am sure there is a lot mroe effort put into it

hero talents are the first thing blizz shows from the new arc

so they should be surprising for players, allow more direction that class deisgn up till now

keep in mind that with bobby gone, a lot of the surpression of creativity should be gone

[high jetty]

Are there any tricks for getting stealth between pulls I should know? Or you’re just at the mercy of the tanks pretty much?

[vestal wren]

mercy of your tank

[royal lantern]

realising that stealth doesnt really matter helps allot

cus you stop caring much tbh

[dark token]

Honestly

From what I see of these talent trees

I would rather each spec gets it's own capstone

The hybrid between two specs concept doesn't seem great so far, the abilities same tailored more for one spec than another or have poor identity

[quiet oar]

Im a bit dissappointed, that you just use everything

I thought you have to choose one row

[hexed willow]

I have hope for assassination

I tried swapping to sub for mythic but it just doesn’t hit the same as sin

[high jetty]

It’s a lot of globals saved no?

[woeful meteor]

Feel like they favor a certain spec baseline so all trees see some play, instead of two specs using the same hero tree and the while the other one ends up unplayed

you can just make a tset later that makes people swap the hero tree, like making a KS set for law since in it's current state trickster seems more sub favoured

[royal lantern]

destro lock lol

like

1 tree is 100% demo

the other 100% affliction

and destro is pushed in

it looks downright hilarious

[gilded oasis]

oh kinda lame i thought it was a choose a path too

[balmy condor]

Idk what globals you’re saving from stealth but the main benefit is improved garrote and an absolutely unnecessary amount of energy, but you can trigger it with dance every minute and save vanish for when you don’t have dance so idk

Should have it basically constantly

[royal lantern]

nope

you get everything

you only chose in the nodes with 2 options

[gilded oasis]

hm

[royal lantern]

like

honestly rn they feel more like "shared artifact trees" from legion

lol

[dark token]

Ye

I think a concept more like poes skill globe

Could be better

[royal lantern]

even has the legendary legion "CLASS FANTASY!!!!!!" yelling shoved in

[dark token]

3 different starting nodes for each spec, the tree is connected in various branching paths between the specs in a triangle and u can choose to path between the specs how u want

But this is much harder game design wise so I know why they didn't do it

Right now we got pseudo gimped legion artifacts

[high jetty]

I just mean aoe rupture and garrote saves a lot of globals no? I can’t imagine improved garrote really adds up to a ton over a dungeon. New to rogue though, could be wrong. Just coming from other dot classes. Losing the ability to aoe apply triggers me lol

[balmy condor]

Yeh but your damage comes from kingsbane and dance windows

Rupture is an energy delivery system

And you get your big garrotes out whenever needed from dance and vanish

[high jetty]

Yeh I guess that’s true. Bleeds aren’t doing much except resources

[balmy condor]

The GCD saved or whatever is of no importance

[high jetty]

And it’s not like you’re starved in a pack

[balmy condor]

Like that’s not where damage is coming from

[high jetty]

Yeah. You’re right. Hadn’t thought of it like that tbh

I guess, when you miss stealth, you just don’t worry about spreading rupture. Just go right into KB for spatter damage

[balmy condor]

Pretty much

[high jetty]

That makes sense

[balmy condor]

With how quickly things die anyway you basically just slam dm/kb as fast as possible to begin with

[high jetty]

Yea. Exactly. Which is why I was so triggered about losing. All this time. Cause building to 4+ cp to spread 3x ruptures with out stealth sucks

But is also probably just wrong lol

[balmy condor]

During my weekly 20’s at the start of the season I deadass opened from stealth with kingsbane

[high jetty]

I was thinking of that today while driving tbh

Esp on an alt, shit just fucking melts while I’m setting up

[royal lantern]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOi got an idea

lets make your own energy drink brand, and call it Rupture

[shy pecan]

Probably should get out of the kitchen for a bit. Cookin’s a little off

[royal lantern]

no

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-kid-baking-fast-mixing-batter-gif-17412152

[shy pecan]

[viral python]

is normal ashes better than heroic branch?

for m+

[balmy condor]

sim

but at equal ilvl, branch is better

ashes is used for the quality of life of not having to pick up orbs

[viral python]

i see

also about shadowmeld. Sometimes it works to meld>stealth>garrote, other times it keeps me in combat and i cant stealth

is there a workaround to this?

[quiet oar]

Ye kinda a bummer

Like now its Do i use the tree shared with this spec or this spec

[balmy condor]

race change so you don't have to deal with meld

meld is jank as shit

[limpid sonnet]

Hey guys what are you thoughts on assa for fyrak prog? we're early prog and I kinda dont want to play sub anymore (thanks tindral) so toggling between outlaw and assa 😄

kinda LF something chill so i can cruise the X00 whatever pull we take till CE 😄

(not getting PI 😦 )

[foggy socket]

personal preference here, but i refuse to play outlawl til RtB isnt a thing, i've hated the mechanic since it was added in Legion

sin is more rhythmic imo

[limpid sonnet]

fair enough, im ok with both but as u said outlaw is a bit more "gotta watch procs all night" which i thought mb sin would be a bit more, rythmic is a good way to put it ye.

[foggy socket]

i didnt mind outlaw when SnD was spec specific and the few times it was tuned to be viaable compared to RtB

[balmy condor]

assa is fine on fyrakk but would be for p2 add damage mostly

the boss damage is okay but nothing huge

it's still fine though

[limpid sonnet]

alright cool similar to outlaw then. I think only sub as a specific mission being a shield buster

[balmy condor]

shield is a non-issue

[limpid sonnet]

Thanks. Gonna do some recrafting get the sub gear onto assa now 🙂

[wet chasm]

New-ish DPS player here. When simming (using Raidbots) for M+, what are the best practices folks use? DungeonSlice, HecticAddCleave, etc.? What other considerations? I'm not good enough to be totally min-maxy about this, but I would like to generally set things up correctly for an accurate general sim for top gear questions. Thanks!

[junior aurora]

dungeonslice for rogue

[digital venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[barren yarrow]

ok this might be a dumb question but in lower keys like 17 and below my dps is over 180k , but when i get into 20+ it falls off. im using buzzing runes, icel phial, poisions and fortune cookie and i cant break above 130k single target, somtimes its worse. I know its mostly me, but what else should i be doing? i think my rotation is solid, i keep poisons up almost 99%.

[dark token]

If a boss lives longer in a 20 vs 17 but not enough to get your 2nd 2 mins off

Yes your st dps will be lower

I recommend running the AP shock build if you aren't already

[oak tangle]

blizzard blue balling us on hero talents

[steel ridge]

Yes, afraid of more backlash

warlock gets aura curse and instant cast immolate

That’s the kind of upside you would wish for

Making existing skills better

Ok nvm in a way trickster has improved feint

[royal lantern]

tbh, that tree is bad af for destro

both are

[oak tangle]

deathstalker is either gonna be fully cooked and amazing, or they're not releasing it cause they can't work out wtf to do

[royal lantern]

they make "class fantasy" a big deal, and then both destro linked trees are 100% the other spec ans destro forced in

[oak tangle]

to be fair to that, as a dot enjoyer, i am a fan of more dots on destro

demo is my warlock equivalent ot outlaw, those being the specs i wont play

[steel ridge]

well, atleast it doesnt put anything on top that you have do deal with actively

its just a different flavour of the same sauce

[royal lantern]

ye agree

again

thats how most treess should be and how they announced them

diabolist from demo/destro is the best example imo

(espacily demo)

[steel ridge]

yeah i agree with you, both are less destro themed

wither just screams affli

[royal lantern]

fits the fantasy behind the speec, reads fun, doesnt really change your gameplay in a giant way cus its mostly "you do what you allready do, but better"

[royal lantern]

the entire tree is ???

"its based around satyrs"

cus warlock players wanna be satyrs or what? huh?

they said some names there, and im sure nobody knows any of them except Xavius

[bright cipher]

Hellcaller is complicated

[royal lantern]

farseer is a joke aswell

its litearlly

the holy priest naaru talent

as a "hero tree"

lol

[bright cipher]

its a very strong hero talent (specially for Destro)

but its boring and its fantasy don't vibe well with destro

[royal lantern]

the DH tree

"you WILL play throw glaive, and you WILL like it!!"

the shaman tree in general takes the cake tbh

like

its so bankrupt holy shit

the last talent is litearlly a normal shaman talent again

like, imagine as if the tree for assa had as the last node

"shiv causes the target to take 30% more nature damage for 8 seconds, if you know Improved Shiv, it also does 20% more dmg"

[gaunt moat]

"imagine"
implying it won't be 👀

[bright cipher]

So, Hellcaller replaces immolate for destro with wither, it also have a trait who doubles Immolate damage but halves its duration (so 9s)

and you know, what is particularly funny with this?

https://i.imgur.com/SYTxmWm.png Behold the 4s duration Wither

deal the full damage of a dot in 4s \o/ fun

[royal lantern]

so your gameplay turns into "wither 2x->chaosbolt->repeat"

cool

[bright cipher]

Wither>ChaosBolt>Wither

sorry..Conflagrate(to increase Wither damage by 25%)>Wither>Chaos Bolt>Wither

[royal lantern]

but there is a CoMbO TaLeNt that wants you to use it 2x

nah wait thats for cleave

BIG GAMEPLAY CHANGE

you dont have to press tab anymore on 2 targets

[bright cipher]

thats also dead for two target

its start being a thing for 3 target

as you do agony 1 on target 1 > agony 2 on target 2 who will also apply on target 3.

[royal lantern]

god, the deeper you go into it the more "oh wait, this is supposed to be for 2 specs?????" it becomes

[bright cipher]

well, i guess on 2 targets you could agony 2 on same target for pandemic and that would agony on target 2 as well

[hexed willow]

I was gonna say am I still in the warlock discord

Saw destro sadness and malacath

Wake me up when chaos bolt hits hard again

[spice surge]

And affli still has malefic rupture 🛌

[hexed willow]

I sometimes miss my demo lock but I love those long CD windows

[barren yarrow]

is that arterial shock? sorry im just now replying lol

[runic hinge]

Yes

[barren yarrow]

gotcha

yes i do run that mostly

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah I didn’t believe in it for awhile but it’s so nice for anything under like a 22

[river cipher]

Absolutely no way they fuck up deathstalker right?

[slate crown]

Poisoned Knife and Shuriken Toss adds a bleed to your target lasting 15 seconds. Ticks have a 20% chance to grant 1 energy.

[runic hinge]

No

[royal lantern]

using cloak of shadows increases that dmg by 40% for 10seconds

[shy pecan]

Honestly, this is what I was thinking

That or something involving Rupture

[spice surge]

Rupture doesnt have to be bad, id honestly think something about rupture would even be good

Assuming its decently interesting

[slate crown]

Maybe this is weird but... nevermind

[haughty flicker]

deathstalker is based around vanish

110%

[spice surge]

Its either vanish/cooldowns or bleed

Or a mix of em

[shy pecan]

Yeah, I was thinking Rupture because what they did with Trickster and the idea of Feinting. Rupture was a skill shared between the two specs, so they'd do something with that?

[haughty flicker]

rupture is definitely up there as an option yeah

i wouldnt be surprised to see it be that instead of vanish

or both for that matter

[shy pecan]

Though, what would Fatebound be? 🤔

[haughty flicker]

crits

idk

[spice surge]

Probably something with resources if i had to guess

A rotation of sorts, maybe akin to the old combat red/yellow/Green thing but in a better way

Is my guess, but the name isnt as clearcut as others

[slate crown]

Bandit's Guile

was the old thing

[balmy condor]

rupture increases the damage the target takes by 15%

[shy pecan]

Legion sub, right?

[balmy condor]

bfa I think actually

idk if nightblade was already in legion

my memory is famously bad though

[gilded oasis]

rupture increases the number of cat pics in your DMs by 80%

[shy pecan]

Done, taking that kthx

[balmy condor]

I just remember nightblade being a banger season 1 of bfa cause of the funnel thing

was the extra little juice on top of combo

[gaunt moat]

or around pickpocket.

[spice spire]

I’m logging in then

[gilded oasis]

we did it

hes back bby

[runic hinge]

QUAKE IS BACK SOUND THE ALARM

[gilded oasis]

[ember mural]