assassination

[rotund oak]

(dog)

he will bring hurt animals to chill here,in a blanket

had parrots couple times

weirdest was a frog

[spice spire]

?

[balmy condor]

?

[spice spire]

When ur mid and ad sprint it

Same

[shy pecan]

[bronze pike]

?

[rotund oak]

?

[storm forum]

?

[runic hinge]

?

[royal lantern]

?

[shy pecan]

?

[midnight mist]

?

[clever sapphire]

¿

[quiet oar]

?

[gaunt moat]

?

[pseudo hamlet]

?

[glass root]

guys any weakaura to track the envenom buff

[gaunt moat]

I use Luxtho's WA pack to see envenom duration + my own kingsbane tracker to track envenom's uptime during KB

both can be found on wago.io

[glass root]

i have Luxtho as well but cannot see an envenom tracker

maby im missing it

[clever sapphire]

i use zacs overall and it has a line thats showing the seconds left

and well since its a line it slowly goes down as its running out

[glass root]

https://wago.io/WXF4MaBV7?

this guy?

[gaunt moat]

You might need to enable it under the custom tab options.
But it looks like a green bar underneath the energy bar.

[rotund oak]

you've ruined everything

[glass root]

what do you mean ?

[rotund oak]

so many questionmarks man

[royal lantern]

we had a combo going

[digital venture]

?

[forest nacelle]

?

[normal mist]

?

[ornate heart]

?

[subtle tundra]

i want to get lead poisoning

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[ornate heart]

me too

lead poisoning sounds amazing

[spice spire]

Dogs?

[subtle tundra]

no. cat.

meow

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/unico-uni-silly-cat-cute-cat-tuxedo-cat-gif-4802866200144313567

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-nerd-plank-plink-cat-cat-gif-17569403098672348326

[digital venture]

combo broken, once again

[subtle tundra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/376389577038102540/1141012308441714708/attachment-6.gif

[fallen arch]

I'm returning to the game currently, what state is sin in?

Like, is it good (enough) for M+?

[subtle tundra]

yes

the other 2 specs are better but that doesnt mean assa is bad

[fallen arch]

Aight, that never kept me from playing it in Shadowlands indeed

I see the rotations are way more elaborate than in Shadowlands though

[subtle tundra]

imagine a world where assa wasnt overnerfed and was in line with the other 2 in m+

womp womp

[subtle tundra]

its quite shallow though

not a lot to think about

[fallen arch]

It is?

[subtle tundra]

how you use your abilities is pretty set in stone

not much variation

[fallen arch]

Alright

The best build doesn't use SBS?

[subtle tundra]

sbs isnt used in current patch

[fallen arch]

And no ER in rotation either anymore?

[subtle tundra]

yea we're dancing in the shadow nowadays

[fallen arch]

Yikes

Alright I see

So it's just maintain dots, maintain SnD by using Envenom, Mutilate to refresh Caustic Splatter, Shiv on Cooldown, Kingsbane+Deathmark the big mobs?

[digital venture]

u use 1 shiv b4 kingsbane and another near the tailend of kingsbane so you can have that up during your whole kingsbane duration

[fallen arch]

Right

[subtle tundra]

yea 2 shivs with each kb

[fallen arch]

So u shiv your Kingsbane target twice, once before and once at the end of the 14 sec?

[subtle tundra]

you want shiv up for the whole KB

i'd recommend reading wowhead guide

[fallen arch]

Yeah doing that rn

I'm trying to prioritize in my head

[subtle tundra]

if you have any questions, go to whispyr

[arctic socket]

boys n girls

[digital venture]

yeah @balmy condor made a dope indepth guide, check his ytb channel

[arctic socket]

rogue good or dogshit in cata?

[gusty mirage]

Depends on the tier

[fallen arch]

Is 10.2 the same as 10.2.5? Or did M+ build change?

nvm, the basics are the same

[clever sapphire]

nothing changed

[clever sapphire]

i would take sbs any day over dance

well i would take sbs over anything if it was good enough

[fallen arch]

I really,really liked SBS in Shadowlands

Is there a non troll way to run it? Or would you give up too much?

[somber sparrow]

we used SBS early on in dragonflight but I think now you just have to give up too much.

[digital venture]

You can pretty much use the wow head builds. They also tell you roughly for what kind of keys you can use them

[somber sparrow]

yeah basically there are various builds out there for fort keys, tyrannical keys, and this season even a rise/fall build.

[wild birch]

Does IC spread from the target or player model?

[spice spire]

Target iirc

[runic hinge]

?

[rotund oak]

?

[digital venture]

?

[storm forum]

?

[ember mural]

?

[raven flower]

?

[shy pecan]

?

[sturdy mesa]

?

[spice spire]

?

[polar jasper]

?

[proven jasper]

?

[austere sorrel]

?

[acoustic roost]

?

[arctic hare]

?

[gusty mirage]

Both, it does a check for the target and then the player

It’s kinda janky tbh

[dark token]

its from player model no?

did they change it

[gusty mirage]

It’s both, it checks target and then player model

It’s really really strange

That’s why sometimes you’ll see it cleave off the target and sometimes it feels like blade flurry

[dark token]

i remember being 8y from the adds and it wouldnt spread to an add 9y from me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1172682255630614558/Wow_b8v0Iys6BA.gif?ex=65fe16f5&is=65eba1f5&hm=27956f6f2c9c852e40485052556762ac03486520bb91c10c5cf52a63e453120d&=&width=296&height=350

[gusty mirage]

There’s some weird secondary check from the player, that’s all I remember

[dark token]

this was prepatch tho maybe they fixed it better

[gusty mirage]

Someone made a graphic about it

Maybe @spice spire has it

I know @keen spruce did a lot of testing as well

[spice spire]

I do somewhere

[runic hinge]

Shmeeps did some testing and I think sometime after the patch in the first few weeks they made it some check of around player and target and maybe Acro was working somewhat but I don’t remember exactly. I do remember some ms paint drawings about it tho

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it def got changed like a week or two into the patch

Because it was literal ass range before the change lol

[runic hinge]

And it not working with acro made it feel really bad

[limber lion]

No and it's apparently never been like that, as far as I remember Realz said that it always checked player and target but thr target check was super small

He eventually increased the target range check by quite a bit

So even in the gif that you sent it was probs like 1y so dummies would have to be on top of each other

But yeah it was changed 2 or 3 times.

[limber lion]

What about me :(

[shy pecan]

Damn you got snubbed by Oxi

[limber lion]

Not the first time gg he hates me now

[gusty mirage]

brother

why you do dis

[keen spruce]

much testing yes

then realz secret fixed it

very early in the season

it had some super goofy behavior when it had a reduced range

that didn't scale with acro

idk exactly how it bahaves now but it's much more cozy

it's something weird like 5yd from target, 8 yd from player

or something like that

venndiagram lookin situation

or booba

[runic hinge]

Shmeeps looking at my knees

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

BROTHET

NO BAD

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-11864636400230753109

[runic hinge]

I’ve obscured them now to keep you from lewding them

[keen spruce]

Did you delete

My poggies

[shy pecan]

smh my head

[woeful meteor]

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce do big damage

[keen spruce]

No I’m washed

[blazing jewel]

no

not washed

[royal lantern]

assassination players dont wash

we cry ourself clean with our own tears

[shy pecan]

[forest nacelle]

[runic hinge]

[bronze pike]

somthing happened here

im curious now

[runic hinge]

It was a zesty emote

[blazing jewel]

[bronze pike]

[blazing jewel]

🤫

[woeful meteor]

it was a very poggies emote

[runic hinge]

?

[spice spire]

Ur not that guy pal

[runic hinge]

Whatever bozo

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1043697181493837884.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

this is my favorite emote

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

☃️

[keen spruce]

[woeful meteor]

[runic hinge]

[dark token]

[limber lion]

Sus boosting discord

[ember mural]

[thorn fjord]

Finally killed swift

Holy shit

[shy pecan]

Huge

Grats

[runic hinge]

Let’s gooo

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1194285744810889296.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

Congrats u handsome person u

[dark token]

[storm forum]

grats!

[balmy condor]

[visual hemlock]

so many cats

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

[rotund oak]

[vestal wren]

congrats

[glass root]

am i suppose to fill bad for asking questions and wanting to improve ?

[royal lantern]

people are mememing

[rotund oak]

no one said that,its supposed to be part of the general meme-spirit man

[royal lantern]

ofc you ask questions lol

[rotund oak]

u can do whatever u love

why so serious

[glass root]

now i memed you 0-0

[blazing jewel]

im going to meme tryan

[rotund oak]

far from the actual art of memeing but 🤝

[royal lantern]

with your MOUTH please

[shy pecan]

[tight minnow]

!macros

Is there a macro pin or something? I feel like trying out Assassination and was wondering 😄

Or what macros do people use?

[drifting cloud]

dance kingsbane, thats about it

[clever sapphire]

i dont think i have a single macro

actually i do

mousover bonespike

[tight minnow]

ty 🙂 and WA? 🙂

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

pick your favorite

wa's are mostly aesthetic and every pack that tracks your cooldowns and debuffs will do pretty much everything and then some

[tight minnow]

Okay, nothing there to show when to use Thistle Tea (6 secs of KB remaining) or when to use Vanish (3 secs of KB remaining)?

[clever sapphire]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[summer elm]

Those are kinda ez to setup in WA

[broken flame]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[balmy condor]

aside from the one loc posted there's another one in LE's group that's like a timeline

but idk

I think they're all pointless visual clutter

you can just look at your kingsbane tracker

[summer elm]

Eventually after a bit you'll get used to it, so yeah

[balmy condor]

like I don't need 3 separate weakauras to tell me when my kingsbane reaches 5

idk

I can just

look at it

[clever sapphire]

no its very good, i know in the first 30 sec if its a shit pull or a good pull (aka 2M kingsbane or 4M kingsbane)

[balmy condor]

[tight minnow]

yeah 😄

but playing sin for the first time since wod 😄

mid tindral progress

[clever sapphire]

also my brain is used to the colors popping up for tea/vanish usage

[tight minnow]

i take any help

[balmy condor]

fyrakk prog made my lose my shit over this

sometimes we'd hit the second dreamrend in p1 and I'd be at like 290k

[tight minnow]

For Fyrakk I gladly go to Outlaw again sigh

[balmy condor]

and then the very next pull

I play the same way

and it's like 225k

and I go

[royal lantern]

skill issue tbh

[clever sapphire]

yap thats where im at, already turned off details

i couldnt take it anymore

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

did you thought about doing more KB crits?

[median flicker]

I put a hella delay for our fyrakk pulls

so i dont really even look

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor mananged to reach intermission once with brand beeing at 2 stackss

[balmy condor]

that many?

.

ping me when you reach intermission without it proccing at all

[royal lantern]

I LOVE RNG MECHANICS

[clever sapphire]

@balmy condor

(you said ping when i reach without proc)

[royal lantern]

I LOVE NOT HAVING IMPACT ON MY OWN DMG AND IT ALL JUST BEEING WHAT BLIZZ THINKS IS FUNNY AT THAT MOMENT

[balmy condor]

just proc

idk

3 times in 11 seconds

doesn't seem that rng to me

[royal lantern]

brand is so bs

like legit

had pulls where at 1st dreamrend i was at 10 or 12 stacks or smth like that

and others where i sit at 5 when p2 starts

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

ofc its still great for fyrakk cus on average its good on him

[balmy condor]

trinkets yep

very good yep

[royal lantern]

but jesus christ brand is all the annoying dps variance BS we have rn summed up in 1 trinket

[balmy condor]

augury is a nightmare

brand is a nightmare

it's all bad

if we didn't like on use

we'd run both

and shit ourselves

[royal lantern]

augury is like

either 1%

or 12%

i legit never saw a inbettwen

[balmy condor]

just an awful fucking game with 35 layers of rng this patch

idk

spec design is great

and then they just shit out the worst RNG garbage imaginable

[royal lantern]

like, we have a feral

1 pull he does like 700k on opener

[balmy condor]

and it makes me want to jump off the fyrakk platform

[royal lantern]

"oh ye, thats rng procs"

rng itself is not bad

but its just waaaaaaay to much rn

[vestal wren]

at least your tier set isn't rng

image relying on a tier set proc at the correct time ^^

[royal lantern]

reason #27 why you should not play sub

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it's all shit

[royal lantern]

just proc tierset rupture on smoldy intermission hello?????

[vestal wren]

idk if you saw it

kieron posted a log the other day

where one person procced shadowed rupture in each intermission

👌 perfect rng

[balmy condor]

outlaw at least RNG is like their thing or whatever gamble the dice yahtzee ass mfers

[hollow dirge]

Reminds me of bfa before corruption fix. Stacking void lashes or whatever it was, and on good pull, literal god, on bad pull tank dmg 😂

[balmy condor]

but god fuck it's so annoying

[royal lantern]

rogue rn is just a giga gamble class

assa with the KB variance beeing so gigantic

outlaw with the "lol crackshoot highrolling" where they sometimes get 8resets in a row or sometimes none at all

sub with tierset

and thats without trinkets/enchants

[vestal wren]

corruption was great

made this bad boy a dps spell

(before it was fixed)

[hollow dirge]

😂😂

[royal lantern]

BfA, the expansion where detection had a usage 2x

which is funny af

the eternal palce council fight and corruption cheesing

[balmy condor]

pull boss, do a perfect opener

you miss wafting and you don't crit your kb

cry

go next

[vestal wren]

to be fair, i was a degenerate that did immidiatly tested detection

if it works on the corruption

[hollow dirge]

Hahahahaha, there has to be one of you in every multiverse

[vestal wren]

can only alt + f4 so many times before your raid lead notices

[royal lantern]

you forgot the part where that is ofc the kill pull

• you died cus healers where asleep

every.single.time

[vestal wren]

speaking from experience?

[royal lantern]

i can play perfect for an entire night, 0 deaths before a wipe call

the second i die, its a kill pull

had that 6 this expansion

[hollow dirge]

Also, you forgot the kill where boss parried your execute kb, and now you’re just standing there with dick in your hands while double dots are ticking

[royal lantern]

tbf, mightaswell rub on out at that moment

not like as if it makes any difference on your dmg when KB gets parried

[balmy condor]

aight this sim is kinda dumb

but I did 400 iterations of 30 seconds just to see

the range that I would get on all of fyrakk prog

if I looked at details after my opener

sure sure

big number

unreal

[royal lantern]

trust me, you need to be a good player for high parses

[vestal wren]

show the graph with the mdian

[royal lantern]

trust me

[balmy condor]

oh true

[vestal wren]

that one is always fun

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

haha

brilliant

[balmy condor]

it's like an even spread from 460 to 530

what a well designed game

[tight minnow]

I feel like Rogue is the class where RNG fits the least theme wise. The class fantasy is like we are great planners and not gambling if our assassination works

[vestal wren]

i mean thats only 15% diffrence ^^

[royal lantern]

tbf, its mostly this patch/expansion, and not just rogue

[tight minnow]

okay, I haven't played anything else this season 😄

[balmy condor]

good thing there's support specs now that deal damage based on my damage and pi that does damage based on my damage and the rng definitely doesn't snowball to them as well right surely not

[royal lantern]

wowhead comments and redditors told me its cool because they can fullfill the SUPPORT FANTASY and that everything negative somone says is just "sweaty tryhard that hates fun"

checkmate nerd

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean the dps range is nearly 23% on my opener, on a typical full 5 min patchwerk with all the variance it's still 16%

and personally I wouldn't want that higher than like 5%

idk

anything higher than that and it just feels like the game is playing my character not me

[royal lantern]

you know, we could get a bigger part fixed

if MA was 100% again

[vestal wren]

subtlety - sim

[balmy condor]

I could sim that actually let me get the override hold on

[vestal wren]

i dissabled bl, not sure if you did too

[balmy condor]

nah I kept it in

not like bloodlust does much for sub anyway though

[royal lantern]

a bit more CP from shadow tech, but ye thats it

[tight minnow]

how much dps do you guys get on the training dummy? 🙂

[vestal wren]

i love just how much higher it goes

[royal lantern]

im not gonna hit a dummy for 5min if you mean that

[vestal wren]

to 750, with bl 780 - sim with bl

[balmy condor]

big

[royal lantern]

gigantic

[tight minnow]

nah don't bother 😄 just thought someone know it from their head

[balmy condor]

I haven't hit a dummy in months sorry

[vestal wren]

i think i show this the next time

someone talks about "opener testing on dummy"

and "why is my opener wore than the #1 wcl opener"

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

according to details

my last 5min fyrakk pull had me at like, 213k

do with that what you want

cus fyrakk is no 5min dmg dummy

[balmy condor]

well MA at 100% reduced the opener RNG from 23% to 17%, but on a full sim it's still 16%

mostly shows law of large numbers I guess

or at least large iterations

[royal lantern]

well, thats 5% allready

and like, 60% for me, cus fuck my KB crit rng

[balmy condor]

aight so doubling crit chance, making ma 100%, quadrupling the proc rate on wafting, unequipping signet brand, untalenting kingsbane and blindside, and making envenom a 100% poison application buff

we got the RNG on the spec below 10%

this game is doomed

holy shit

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

I've removed and buffed basically all I could semi-reasonably to reduce rng and it still wasn't enough to get it down very significantly

I don't think I could remove the 5% variance that everything has built in

that's still a thing right

everything just does random damage as a baseline

whatever

it's 3am

game is cursed

I'm gonna go cry myself to sleep

[royal lantern]

better then my experience last night

[bleak plume]

Yeah but have you tried getting good tho

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[past forum]

Spell variance aka “skill issue”

[spice spire]

Real

[limber lion]

Big

[subtle kiln]

Fish

[digital venture]

Stick

[blissful forge]

Up my ass

(some1 had to do it)

[spice spire]

No they didn’t

[storm forum]

Could have lived our whole lives without that

[digital venture]

induced nightmare

[blissful forge]

No worries 🫡

Pictures will follow 🫡

[acoustic roost]

https://tenor.com/view/ska-reel-big-fish-ska-punk-aaron-barrett-singing-gif-13668644

[desert inlet]

[royal lantern]

i first thought that this is a new version of

[gilded oasis]

more delicious than sandbags

[sharp viper]

a miracle happened, 2nd nick!

[royal lantern]

[storm forum]

why is this on our loot table?

[spice spire]

Because

[royal lantern]

cus it has shitton of stats

like, ye the effect itself is deffensive/utility

but its loaded with stats

[pseudo hamlet]

It's actually pretty nice trinket.

[runic hinge]

It's good for when you start your m+ push

[vestal wren]

big gz

[somber sparrow]

who do i need to message to get the WoW app to allow a preview of the great vault on mobile

[storm forum]

Huh ok

I guess I take it

[spice surge]

The silence part is a meme

Its just a vers stat stick

[spice spire]

You changed

[storm forum]

Yeah I changed a lot

[willow grotto]

Between the Algeth'ar trinket and the Irideus trinket, which one do you think will be better?

[spice spire]

Proud of you king

[shy pecan]

I think it can proc on Volkaal in AD?

[spice spire]

Historically, Algethar

[spice surge]

Algethar was nerfed hard, but either way 3 min trinket sounds kinda cursed

Probably just ashes

[spice spire]

Irideus was pretty bad

I think even with nerf it’s better but ye

[spice surge]

Ye that too, since mutilate takes of two stacks

[willow grotto]

really, I don't play s2 so I don't know

[spice surge]

Unless they fixed it, but i would assume not

Might even be more buggy now with blindside, maybe it even consumes 3 stacks

[willow grotto]

I played s1 with algeth'ar despite the lamentable state of rogue assassination and I found it boring like trinket

[indigo epoch]

So s4 is just all the DF dungeons? :/

[proven jasper]

if they fixed iredius for us its actually a pretty solid trink

i mean itll most likely include atleast all the ones that came out with df

[spice surge]

Not dawn

Just the OG 8

[proven jasper]

yeah not the mega

[indigo epoch]

Damn was hoping for a couple throwbacks

[spice surge]

Some stinkers like uldaman, some bangers like academy

[spice spire]

Uldaman a goat

Shut ur mouth

[proven jasper]

academy

[spice surge]

RLP really good as well

[indigo epoch]

I love academy. Ulda is ok. RLP is aids

[spice spire]

Nogood being legal again

[proven jasper]

Yeah rlp was tough but i liked it

[junior aurora]

nogood and offensive

[spice surge]

After the nerfs RLP was banging

First weeks ye it was rough

[spice spire]

Real

[junior aurora]

too bad they added a killzone to azure vaults though so that dungeon gonna suck now

[indigo epoch]

Damn forgot about nokhood

[spice spire]

Oh yeah AV too

ew

[junior aurora]

forcing us to do frogs or do some dumb shroud skip

[proven jasper]

Dude av skip was fun

insane tech

[junior aurora]

that dungeon without frog skip is fun, that dungeon without frog skip is awful

[indigo epoch]

Do we think there will be any class tuning with s4?

[spice surge]

Almost surely

[indigo epoch]

Hate having to run outlaw to find a group >20+

[spice spire]

Buff mage tbh

[shy pecan]

They’ll buff and nerf tier sets

[junior aurora]

just geared my mage so true bestie

[indigo epoch]

Yeah mage could use it

[junior aurora]

make frozen orb do like 30% more damage

[spice surge]

Surely they dont nerf subs tier set

[proven jasper]

Buff warrior

ALSO THAT

[royal lantern]

proc chance reduced

[indigo epoch]

Which tier did we vote for again? S3?

[junior aurora]

"we have removed variance from the game. every spec will now hit the bottom variance every time"

[spice surge]

26% damage from just the tier set is very balanced and healthy YEP YEP

[limber lion]

S3 yes

[junior aurora]

s3 for all specs im pretty sure

[limber lion]

Unfortunately

[spice surge]

S2 2p and S3 4p wouldve been my vote for assa

But cant split unfortunately

[proven jasper]

Bigtime

[indigo epoch]

Sadge

[proven jasper]

would have been JUICY if you could

[limber lion]

It is what it is

[spice surge]

Tbf assa didnt really have any banger sets

[junior aurora]

does sub grab s2 2p s3 4p?

[spice surge]

So it doesnt really matter much

[spice surge]

Nah s2 2p sucks ass

Its so frustrating to play around

[proven jasper]

Yeah any of the seasons coulda won and i woulda probably still been left with a little bit of sour taste for assa

[junior aurora]

wasnt that the symbols of death during shadow dance one

[spice surge]

Ye

[limber lion]

I liked s2 4p in m+

I love padding in m+

[junior aurora]

guess its not as impactful w/ dust builds

anyway

[vestal wren]

s2 had rly bad refresh behaviour

[spice surge]

No it sucks to play, since you cant dance and symbols at the same time

[vestal wren]

would also be rly bad

because you now have all damage in cooldowns

[spice surge]

Its not just bad, its really horrid to play with

[vestal wren]

so symbols outside of cooldowns is what you get from season 2 tier

and your damage outside of cooldowns

💧 (wet) 🍜 (noodle)

[junior aurora]

can i just get back s1 sub

[clever sapphire]

that feeling when i do a full opener on fyrakk and finish with a 2.1M kingsbane

then i get the circle shit and have to run away

downtime, 70% shiv uptime, 3M kingsbane

i can feel my impact

[junior aurora]

get a better rng seed

[clever sapphire]

im givin my best

[subtle tundra]

i used to have such a godly rng seed back in SL

i'd get no mechanics

now it has changed......

[thorn fjord]

My PB RNG back in legion was untouchable

was the rng lord... other rogue in the guild at the time hated me

[junior aurora]

guid strikes again

[clever sapphire]

btw question, im assigned to kick an add. Do i wait with my KB on golem until i kicked the add?

or do i just send as soon as golems are down

[royal lantern]

bruh

why the fuck is rogue kicking an add?

[spice surge]

Why would you need to wait?

Or are you assigned something thats not even remotely close to melee?

[woeful meteor]

when are people even kicking adds on fyrakk, when they just get knocked/gripped and then aoe cced down

[dark token]

Also as rogue u have aoe blind

Don't kick just press that

Stick on golem

Aoe blind when it's ur interrupt

It doesn't DR with anything important

[clever sapphire]

yes sir

kick an add

in

the

middle

[clever sapphire]

aight sounds good to me

we even have a warrior kicking

[median flicker]

that just sounds cursed

[clever sapphire]

oh it is

[median flicker]

i'm sorry 🫡

[shy pecan]

SURELY

26% or whatever ain’t that much

[somber sparrow]

my great vault was a bust. mythic level boots or wrists. Great, considering we use crafted boots and crafted wrists....

[loud hearth]

Aren't you just moving the Colossus on top of the adds in the middle as soon as they spawn?

That's what we do. I kick the middle add and it's easy to do without losing uptime.

[clever sapphire]

thats what we should also do

but tanks are slow af

thats why i asked

xD

[balmy condor]

Could craft belt instead of wrist or run double blue silk on like neck/ring if you wanted to

But idk how the rest of your gear looks

[thorn fjord]

@blazing jewel Should I sin or sub for Fyraak

[blissful forge]

If you need boss damage always sub 🤷🏿‍♂️

if you need colossus damage you can opt. for sin or law i guess

[thorn fjord]

Dont think it matter which way i decide to go... We start prog tonight tho so we'll see

[blissful forge]

but if you get no pi/aug anyway sub would be the better pick overall for raid

since you dont steal someones pi/auf buffs

[thorn fjord]

No aug in our grp currently but i can get PI

Prob just start with Sub ST build and see how that goes

[blissful forge]

yeah, sub def. better pick then cause you can give a more useful target the pi

like a bm or so

[thorn fjord]

Yeah If i get PI i'd be taking it from the BM

[blissful forge]

yeah then go sub

its also better for boss damage in general since "dps check" starts in p2 already and not in execute phase

[primal elk]

you could play either if you're comfy on sin though. it's worth considering that i was top damage on p1i by far and p3 initially (ret wins now)

so if you lack there then you can consider it

p3 is easy now though

[clever sapphire]

heck ye i steal it from one of our bm hunters

i played sub on smolderon and tindral, they wont catch me on sub for another boss

[blissful forge]

^^

[thorn fjord]

Sub on both those fights were major QOL things tho

Cant imagine doing swift with T-Rex arms

[bright turret]

If you're comfortable with sub, it's straight up better for Fyrakk, but his damage checks don't really exist anymore

[primal elk]

yeah sub is better overall but sin is still fine i guess was the point

[thorn fjord]

Figured as much

[bright turret]

Sin does just fine though

[primal elk]

eg im bad at sub

[bright turret]

Spec you play won't be the thing that stops you from killing him

[primal elk]

maybe one day ill beat the 95 on fyrakk but i probably need to not CD boss in p2

[bright turret]

And if you're just starting prog now I wouldn't be surprised if he catches another nerf soon

[primal elk]

worst part about sin is it dies before the old deathmark on prog perma now

[thorn fjord]

Swift took us about 586 pulls lol

[bright turret]

bruh

ya'll definitely gonna need some more fyrakk nerfs then

trindral way easier atm

[thorn fjord]

Heard its harder from others

Guess it depends on the group

[bright turret]

i could be biased since I progged on the much harder version

he feels very free after that so my view is probalby distorted

[fiery mauve]

Puzzy b is back baby

[spice surge]

Probably not unless they revert the nerfs

A 3 minute trinket with a 30 second buff? Not great for a 2 minute spec with a 15-18s burst window

[balmy condor]

Just play acro on assa though?

[spice surge]

And lose simdps? Have you lost your mind??!?

[subtle kiln]

What could you possibly drop for acro arms?!?

[balmy condor]

I still vomit over your tindral talents

[royal lantern]

yeha but now imagine it with the the abberus set effect

[spice surge]

What did i do

[balmy condor]

Deeper alac for lethality acro

[subtle kiln]

Played outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Dropped dance and played ER

[spice surge]

What

[royal lantern]

no slurs in #assassination

[balmy condor]

Tis what ryler said in my chat many many moons ago

[subtle kiln]

Better @royal lantern ?

[spice surge]

Slander!

I havent even played assa on tindral

[subtle kiln]

Accurate

[balmy condor]

Elaborate ryler troll

[spice surge]

Strange

[gusty mirage]

its okay

eleem deserves it

[bronze pike]

Outlaw>sin

I’m sorry but it’s the truth

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[spice surge]

[bronze pike]

There’s a certain delight on ruining your wrists

[gusty mirage]

eleem leaving me on read is why I'm a ret main now

[spice surge]

huh

[bronze pike]

Leave eleem alone

[gusty mirage]

I expect it from stealthi

but not you

[spice surge]

What did i do

[bronze pike]

He has bis pokemon as pfp

[gusty mirage]

I was going to ask you for some advice

but you never entertained my message

so I just didn't

[spice surge]

Damn i missed it

[gusty mirage]

its okay I still love you

I just play a pala now

without a legendary

[spice surge]

Purple weapon andy

Surely orange stick appears soon

[gusty mirage]

unlikely

I have like a 23% chance to drop it this week

[bronze pike]

Just play for 14 weeks and you’ll get it

[gusty mirage]

I would rather play in traffic than commit to playing this game for an additional 3 months

[bronze pike]

I’m..in shambles

[thorn fjord]

Can hard agree with this statement

Hows fasting been treating you bro

Grumpy as all hell yet?

[balmy condor]

nah he's just like that

[junior aurora]

fasting is until sundown right

[gusty mirage]

yes

[gusty mirage]

awful, both days I forgot something that I pretty much need to function

[junior aurora]

im pretty sure i fast during winter

unintentionally

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-shrugs-gif-9242977

[earnest remnant]

im a busy racc

[blazing jewel]

sub st build is pretty easy on fyrakk

especially because on prog you likely wont push early or any of that

[spice spire]

Blud seek therapy

[runic hinge]

You should seek some bitches

[spice spire]

I am

You offering?

[gusty mirage]

big dog, you down bad or somethin?

[spice spire]

R u not

[gusty mirage]

no

[spice spire]

Ur playing Ret

Checkmate idiot

[gusty mirage]

yea but I had a really bad day 2 weeks ago

and someone brought me tiramisu to make me feel better

[spice spire]

Damn wholesome

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-like-them-apples-matt-damon-good-will-hunting-gotcha-win-gif-10546997

[spice spire]

Love that

That’s how I like it

[gusty mirage]

stealthi abandoned me

and I found someone who won't

he abandoned me for keys too

https://tenor.com/view/eww-meme-eww-gif-eww-brother-eww-eww-brother-gif-4303100356772739930

@earnest remnant

[balmy condor]

idea

[gusty mirage]

idea deez brother

[balmy condor]

tiramiso, it's all the parts of tiramisu with the coffee and the mascarpone and eggs, but it's in a miso soup broth

could be the move

[gusty mirage]

that sounds absolutely horrendous

[balmy condor]

have you tried it?

[gusty mirage]

no but I've tried miso soup

and I don't like that

idk how adding mascarpone and eggs and coffee soaked lady fingers will enhance that in any way

[balmy condor]

well you like tiramisu, and you like those things

but you don't like miso soup

so things you like > things you don't like

overall liking has increased

world is a better place

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/chumchum-scream-screaming-roar-grrr-gif-16604321

[runic hinge]

[tawdry flare]

This just reminds me of that damn bike comic meme. "overall happiness increased" - after getting the bike stolen

[balmy condor]

yes that's the point

[tawdry flare]

So you're going to steal my miso soup now?

[junior aurora]

coffee soaked lady fingers just sounds like some chick mainlining caffeine

[balmy condor]

you just described italy

[subtle tundra]

your moms the only lady i finger

[runic hinge]

Tbh I could go for some coffee soaked lady fingers rn

[blazing jewel]

[spice surge]

lady fingers, or lady fingers?

Probably both, y'all be horny most of the time

[shy pecan]

[subtle tundra]

no... just a lady's fingers

thats all

[gusty mirage]

brethren

what the actual fuck

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-jail-go-to-horny-jail-bonk-doge-cheems-gif-17582752

[spice spire]

Dog that’s what I’m saying

[quiet oar]

This discord damaged me. I thought legit you meant me with Tiramisu

I just read Tiramisu and was like huh

[shy pecan]

Whispyr meant you

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

Zac and zeross damaged me

[shy pecan]

Outlaw problems

[quiet oar]

Will i ever recover from. That

[shy pecan]

I mean, hanging out in #outlaw to talk anything outside of the occasional TC stuff have long-term mental effects

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

I mean, hanging out in ⁠outlaw to talk anything outside of the occasional TC stuff have long-term mental effects

[past forum]

Don’t do crack(shot), kids

[shy pecan]

Solo hangs out in there though and he seems fine

[balmy condor]

idk how he does it

[shy pecan]

I know right?

[quiet oar]

Solo is just built Different

[shy pecan]

Just gotta be like solo and only answer TC questions and ignore everything else

[quiet oar]

The longer you participate in Outlaw the more zoomer you get

[quiet oar]

Well He memes sometimes so

[shy pecan]

It's nothing compared to the rest of you guys in there 😛

[quiet oar]

We never meme

[shy pecan]

OKAY BUDDY

[quiet oar]

We accidentely create a cult

Of pooh pfp

[shy pecan]

[quiet oar]

Or create this abomination

[shy pecan]

#NotMyProblem

[quiet oar]

[dark token]

Kinda rly disappointed we voted s3 tier piece imo

Sin m+ next tier with s2 tier would be sicko

[junior aurora]

does it matter which tier tho they're all a bit boring

[ebon notch]

[past forum]

The more I think about it I kinda agree

At least in lower keys where AP is the most viable build

Though, my AU self from the reality where s2 won called me and said he wants to unsub cause of tanks that wait to pull the next pack as the 4set is ticking down

[junior aurora]

would s2 tier even buff AP

doesnt AP scale bleed damage whereas s2 tier made things nature/scaled nature damage

[keen spruce]

why are there pooh emotes in ass chat

[shy pecan]

Blame daps and Tira

[ebon notch]

Nothing wrong with a bit of poo

[shy pecan]

[gray horizon]

did they fix the stupid monk statue?!?!?!

i'm not getting knocked out of stealth anymore

omfg

nvm i got trolled

[runic hinge]

If they bug fix the 2 set I guess. Imagine dying in NO and you can’t mount after you release cause the 2 set keeps you in combat until the mob dies

A bug they didn’t fix the entirety of s2 btw

The 4 set was also just fucking weird. Why do I want nature damage after my cds are over?

[dark token]

[haughty haven]

hey, question. does nightstalker + subterfuge buff your stuff for 3 seconds, or only the first ability you use after stealth?

[balmy condor]

3 seconds

[warm ravine]

do i over cap on CB to get out the improved garrote on multiple targets after SD/KB window (i have it macro'd)

[balmy condor]

after?

also have what macro'd

sd/kb? cause that's normal

but what's that gotta do with garrote

[earnest remnant]

so many questions

so little time

[bleak plume]

You stick to focusing the kingsbane target cuz that's how you ramp kingsbane damage

But you can use garrote on the kingsbane target to build CP's during dance+kingsbane and spread garrotes

[keen spruce]

[soft shale]

mouseover garrotes/ruptures work too

[past forum]

Or just have a @target macro for every enemy in the dungeon pool

[royal lantern]

thats so galaxybrain

some next level of existence shit

[past forum]

Okay obv I’m memeing about that BUT ever since i started using a @name death grip macro for important adds in raid fights (soulrender, dreadlords, etc) I do find it useful to have one i can edit per dungeon for cc on important adds. It’s particularly helpful for me cause I’m quite an inaccurate frame clicker

And i made one to target and step Pip so I could garrote him in subterfuge

[spice surge]

You could have a macro like that and tie it to a weakaura, so the WA assigns which mob it is based on the dungeon etc

[past forum]

Oh yeah that’s true. Kinda like the smart tricks WA

I mean not exactly but still

Is that complicated to make? My WA skills are not very well developed

[spice surge]

You probably need some custom code, so probably not trivial

[peak lake]

😮 whispyr big pump on smolder with accrobatic ?

[slate crown]

You "can't" modify macros like that with weakauras, Weakauras specifically blocks the EditMacro function

"Can't" - there are hacky ways around it but it's complicated and requires you make a separate custom addon file

[spice surge]

Thats what the tricks WA does though

[blissful forge]

doesnt it just checks if tank is in group?

[spice surge]

And if its a raid group it targets a specific member

[slate crown]

Ah, it's not modifying a macro, at least not the one I found

It's creating a secure button frame (gross) and modifying attributes of that button frame

The macro itself is static

Not like having a separate addon file is any less gross, though

[tawny geyser]

Well this is cringe...
Just because a pug priest PI'd me along with the other priest 😢

[rotund oak]

[gusty portal]

is there a decent way to get acro strikes in the dance build?

[runic hinge]

drop deeper and alacrity for lethality and acro

[gusty portal]

ty

[sweet shore]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange trail]

What is the pooling practice tool weakaura?

[spice spire]

Helps you practice pooling energy

[digital venture]

it shows you what skills you should be using when pooling, a.k.a when to use spenders and builders during downtime along with the 2 charges of tea

[dark token]

i wouldnt call this "decent" tbh

[runic hinge]

What other way are you doing it? and it's like 3% sim dps

[dark token]

that is the best way to do it

i just dont think losing 3% on a spec already behind is worth when u can change specs and get acro for free

[runic hinge]

Oh so I answer questions about how to get acro with "go sub" in the assa channel

[dark token]

that is the optimal choice yes

gain 5% dps + acro by going sub or lose 3% more dps to get acro as sin and now be 8% behind rather than 5%

i play sin when acro is not required and recommend people play without it for that reason

[runic hinge]

Some people just don't wanna play sub

[dark token]

ye but people should be informed with caveat when suggesting an acro build as sin imo

like saying caveat this puts you 8% behind sub if acro is requirement

[royal lantern]

BASED AND REAL

[dark token]

you can play sin all bosses without acro

its kinda a choice between I NEED ACRO and I NEED SIN

[royal lantern]

tbf, i never had the feeling that i want acro at all on assa

[dark token]

^

only on tindral was it nice

and in keys for kick range

but since it doesnt buff IC or spatter its pointless in keys when ur already behind in dps

[runic hinge]

okay but what if they're just worse at sub and swithcing would make them lose 15% dps? Like not every multi-specs. So I told them the talents they would switch in the assa channel

[dark token]

ye sure i just like to inform people of the talents while supplying caveat this is a not insignificant dmg loss and consider playing sub if acro is requirement

if u wanna 1trick sin you should minmax it to max effectiveness imo since it's already behind which means not playing acro

[runic hinge]

If someone comes in a spec channel asking about talents I'm not gonna suggest a different spec

Simple as that

[royal lantern]

now kiss

[past forum]

/cancelaura Power Infusion
/cancelaura Ebon Might
/cancelaura Shifting Sands
/cancelaura Prescience
/cast Deathmark

Stay pure, king

[junior aurora]

this aint stopping ur log from being invalidated tho lol

[royal lantern]

kicking shitmentation evokers does

[spice spire]

Log this, log that, how bout you log some hours in the gym king

[patent vessel]

[ember mural]

Log some bitches

[past forum]

log dn

[spice spire]

Dog I’m trying wtf

[limber lion]

🐶

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-holy-shit-you-fucking-killed-her-dude-gif-18435145

[junior aurora]

what addon is that

[spice spire]

The one where u touch grass

[junior aurora]

can i get a link

[shy pecan]

What's dn? 🙂

[slate crown]

idn dog

[junior aurora]

steve jobs

[shy pecan]

Oh ok ok

[ember mural]

Directory number

[shy pecan]

Oh ok ok

[patent vessel]

man i saw an assassination rogue just completely wreck a key with sudden demise damage

but mine is never that high

[junior aurora]

low key?

[runic hinge]

Just refresh your bleeds as everything is about to die

(Don’t do that)

[junior aurora]

pressing shiv when cds are rolling in a 15 or lower means you execute the pack the moment they hit 35% lol

[royal lantern]

pack at half life->vanish into crimson tempest into shiv and feel like as if you play good (you dont)

[junior aurora]

can't hear u down there at the bottom of the meters in my weekly no leaver 11 tryan

[royal lantern]

im done with keys, not doing weeklys

L bozo

[junior aurora]

damn u so far down i can't even see u on my details (i only show the top spot)

[royal lantern]

(always show me, but renamed into "top spot")

[junior aurora]

dont reveal my secrets

[subtle tundra]

man when i was doing keys and i'd DM a mob and sudden demise does 1.5mil insta killing the mob at the last ticks of KB

wowaweeewa

great design

[patent vessel]

yeah kinda

the one he rekt in was a 16, i just did an 18 and was getting bodied it felt like even though my gear's not that bad

[runic hinge]

I had a 2 million on a DHT bear last week

Like damn where did my kb go

[balmy condor]

Demise is funny as fuck

Love Denise

[subtle tundra]

hate her

[patent vessel]

i love the changes they did to the aoe but man

[shy pecan]

Don't hate on Denise

[patent vessel]

i wish they'd rebalance some of our damage so i didn't feel like i'm hitting with a pair of matchsticks outside of KB

[junior aurora]

are u doing the rotation right

i didnt feel the damage was that terrible outside of kb

maybe if u are running DTB instead of AP build

or w/e it was

[royal lantern]

it kinda is

[patent vessel]

no, not running DTB, doing arterial shock for keys

[royal lantern]

like, would not say "terrible" cus CT pulls its weight

but ye, "dmg outside of KB is kinda dissapointing" is a overall thing with assa rn

maybe changes in the future

maybe not

who knows

[junior aurora]

tbh

dont think it needs to change

[royal lantern]

eh, should a bit

ofc KB should do dmg

but rn its a bit too much ONLY on KB

spreading it out slightly better would make it imo make the feeling overall better

[runic hinge]

More rupture damage

[patent vessel]

yeah this is what i mean

afaik i am doing the thing correctly, keep up dots/snd, use cooldowns etc

i'd have to get yall a log for some hard numbers prob

[limber lion]

But honestly in mythic+ there's not really a "doing damage outside of kb windows"

because kb happens every minute

and you press it on cooldown

so you have it up for every pack pretty much

I just used to style on 20's by playing full bleed and never pressing kb on packs

super duper unoptimal and would not recommend, but feels a lot better to play when spreading dots and focusing on that shit instead of maintargeting a kb target

kb has to die

fuck kb

[woeful meteor]

it's really funny how people were hoping for KB to come back with DF, now we play it and it's just annoying

[runic hinge]

It’s annoying because it’s become the entire spec and has super high variance that you don’t have control over. I think if it didn’t control our entire burst and also have feels bad moments where you just proc less and do significantly less damage it wouldn’t be disliked

[balmy condor]

hmmmmmmm

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

I wonder what the best alternative is without kb

[blazing jewel]

Death

[woeful meteor]

flag, mfd, sepulcher set best alternative

[blazing jewel]

Crab tree

[shy pecan]

Not this rabbit hole

[woeful meteor]

honestly crab tree > KB

[balmy condor]

too late

[runic hinge]

Can it take sbs

[spice spire]

Asking the real questions

[balmy condor]

at the start of the patch I actually wanted to get around to implementing a bunch of short-pull and accelerated opener shit for dungeonslice but dungeonslice is such a shithole can of worms I never got around to it and eventually I just kinda forgor

hey you know

could be worse

[limber lion]

I'll take it

Still gonna +2 any 20

[versed mica]

[woeful meteor]

@rare jackal

[rare jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

[woeful meteor]

[strange python]

how important is the tea on the burst?

[shy pecan]

It's more damage for KB when that final ticks goes off so fairly good

What are you trying to compensate it for?

[rotund oak]

very,it buffs KB

also it helps us maintain more envenom buffs whic translates to more tierset bonus dmg

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1193333736431951935.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

New bis build?!?

[rotund oak]

cant play w/o KB now

i got used to it

dont cook plz

[balmy condor]

I can’t cook 12% don’t worry

Cooking usually happens in like 1-2% at most

like I might be able to bend a spoon

but I can't just obliterate a mountain

[clever sapphire]

can you please do that on stream

[balmy condor]

sure

I'll bend a spoon tomorrow

[clever sapphire]

i need an exact time