assassination

[unique sentinel]

then you do it again with vanish and shadow dance

[misty holly]

does abmush give a lot of combo points?

Does BTE spread from blade flurry now?

[royal lantern]

meanwhile outlaw players: its the hardest dps spec in the game bro!!! APM APM APM!!!!

[unique sentinel]

Yeah just need or two ambush. And its outlaw you’ll always have energy to spam that shit

Yeah it spreads

[misty holly]

Ahh okay, back in legion Im pretty sure it didnt

so yeah I can see 5x bte with 5x dispatch being pretty good

[unique sentinel]

Y i dont think its hard at all. Just need a good internet and good wa an you gucci

Learning sub for my raidteam and have way more problem with it. Must be outlaw brain cant play around actual cds

[royal lantern]

do you realise how long legion is away now?

its 10years soon

why do people still bring up legion

[misty holly]

that's when the change from combat happened.

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[royal lantern]

the flow of time

🙂

didnt even had my drivers licence when legion was new

now im closer to 30 then 20

🙂

[eternal nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[eternal nymph]

Check "LEs group"

Has rupture and garrote empowering tracking

You can just rip the auras out, don't need the whole group

Mby it's on the profile as a standalone as well

[fallow canopy]

ah so this is how it feels

people that did this shit completely unnerfed are some gigachads

[gusty mirage]

that's a weird way to spell mentally ill

[earnest remnant]

you calling me mentally ill?

[thorn fjord]

Nah you just Ill @earnest remnant

[fallow canopy]

||true||

[thorn fjord]

Ill as fuck

[gusty mirage]

yes

and myself

[royal lantern]

thats a weird way to spell ASTRAL BREAK.....WIPE IT

[gusty mirage]

brother

I've had dialogue turned off for 4 years

I never heard one line

[royal lantern]

im 1 of those weirdos that plays with no music

fight me

i win cus i have audio clues

[thorn fjord]

I’ve had game music turned off since cata

[royal lantern]

can dodge oxi's puches cus i hear his yelling

[thorn fjord]

Hes a lover not a fighter

[gusty mirage]

I don't yell

[subtle tundra]

how do people level alts

60-70

except boosts

i will not pay

[fallow canopy]

if you are willing to sacrifice your sanity you can spam TW when its up

[subtle tundra]

i want now

[fast thistle]

hey guys, i'm trying play with assassination on m+, actually doing 140k on keys lv 18-20, and i'm doing the rotation for aoe : Garrote >Garrote > Rupture> Mutilate > slice and dice > Mutilate > Deathmark > Shiv > Shadow dance > Kingsbane > Garrote / Ambush > Envenom ... And the question is, what i'm missing, what is wrong?

[misty holly]

Pay a mage to pull Scarlet Monastary and AoE it down.

good xp

[subtle tundra]

I JUST SAID I DONT WANT BOOST

[fallow canopy]

questing is the fastest I guess, haven't tried with the dreamwalking buff thingy

[thorn fjord]

Time walking

[subtle tundra]

HOW CAN I DO TIMEWALKING WHEN THERE IS NO TIMEWALKING

[thorn fjord]

You wait till there is

[subtle tundra]

WHAT( THEF CK

I WANT TO PLAY THIS WEEK

[thorn fjord]

Can run through the campaign

[royal lantern]

do some questing man

[thorn fjord]

It sucks but prob yields the best results

[subtle tundra]

ofc i can do quests but im asking since there's usually a clear faster way

[earnest remnant]

i just spammed dungeons

but i was tanking

[misty holly]

What is your ilevel?

[subtle tundra]

i dont want to spend 6 hours when i can do 3

[earnest remnant]

so made it quite fast

[thorn fjord]

Varas just being difficult now 🤣

[subtle tundra]

?!?

you guys are telling me to do timewalking

when there's none

how am i difficult

ive barely played the expac, idk what people do so im asking

[fallow canopy]

questing basically then

[jaunty dew]

Anyone knows why the Afenar whispyr edit is loading when playing other classes? :S

[cloud goblet]

If you already have dragonriding, questing through the campaign is decently quick

[misty holly]

It also depends on the key. Some have more pad than others. 140k could be totally fine depending on your ilevel and the key level.

[cloud goblet]

And even then you get dragon riding fairly quickly in the campaign so it doesn't make it such a slog

[gusty mirage]

check the load conditions on the WA

[jaunty dew]

It's the default load

[jaunty dew]

And when I try to edit and set it only for assassination it just messes things up

[gusty mirage]

someone ran into some issues yesterday and he said he was going to reupload it

I'd just bother him until he does

[jaunty dew]

xD

[thorn fjord]

@subtle tundra suck but best bet is either questing.. normal dungeons till you can run heroic or waiting till TW

Think you can do BGs too but that would suck

[runic hinge]

You can do professions for a level too

[stone forge]

can anyone explain why we use deeper stratagem if we use finishers at 4?

[balmy condor]

5% more finisher damage and less cp overcap

[stone forge]

in case it happens?

like a safety net for lost CP

[balmy condor]

kind of I guess?

if you mutilate on 3cp

and you have a max of 5

any seal fate cp will go to waste

if you have a max of 6, you're gonna be able to get 1cp from seal fate with no issue

[stone forge]

aah yes

interesting

[old halo]

F in chat for our last pull last night

[rotund oak]

we had our last pull on 0.8%

but that just sucks

[thorn fjord]

I'll show you sucks

-_-

Our second most pulled boss was Nymue at 38 pulls =/

[rotund oak]

u got this fam

i believe

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange trail]

thank you lol

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

[strange trail]

I just downloaded whispyr's plater, and a msg came up in chat to 'reset range check distance settings if necessary', these range settings are okay, right? or do i need to adjust

[keen spruce]

I think whispyr was gonna update somethin

iirc

[strange trail]

in plater or o.O?

[keen spruce]

idk the patch broke a bunch of stuff. idk if he just has to like

republish his plater profile or somethin

@balmy condor

confirm plzz

[strange trail]

it broke my graphic settings . _ .

[keen spruce]

idk

[balmy condor]

I jus did

[strange trail]

the new patch did lol

[balmy condor]

the range checks shouldn't really matter tho

[gaunt sigil]

My guild is starting to see good prog with the tswift nerfs coming through, -20% in one night!

More like -15% but still big

We are extending for the first time next week though so hopefully we kill next week

[strange trail]

okay thank you! is there a way to change the font on the enemy nameplates? idk if my maybe my eyesight just sucks, but i'm like straining to see the names in the nameplates

or even making it bigger idk

[balmy condor]

should all be in the general settings

[balmy condor]

don't beat us please I beg

we're so shit

I need the ego boost

[thorn fjord]

Just yell at randos in #wow-general

[gaunt sigil]

Just pull better 5 head

I’m so excited to get CE for the first time

[thorn fjord]

Think of it this way

The faster you get CE the faster you’ll have nothing to do in the game till WW

Enjoy the ride 🤣

[balmy condor]

the faster I get CE the faster I can enjoy not playing the game

[thorn fjord]

Amen

I can’t fucking wait

[gaunt sigil]

Our guild is extending next week, and if we don’t kill we are gonna continue full clearing or a couple weeks and try again

At least that’s what they said

[thorn fjord]

Prob level a mage alt for S4

[gaunt sigil]

I’m gonna farm parses as much as I can after CE

I’m a parse slut

For the 10.2 partition I was so close to top 150 for Assa and I feel like I can get it for sure this time

[balmy condor]

well yeah

now that there's only 147 people playing assa anymore

you're for sure making it to top 150

[thorn fjord]

Based

[gaunt sigil]

Wait has the pool died that much?

[thorn fjord]

Also the further you get in to mythic the easier it is to place higher

[thorn fjord]

Oh yeah lol

[balmy condor]

idk depends on what the pool means

because yeh

all star points aren't weighted

so if you kill tindral for example that's just +100 points or whatever

that other people don't even have access to

[gaunt sigil]

Aight top 50

[balmy condor]

so like if you killed fyrakk right now you'd be like top 25 all stars or something

just because you killed it

[gaunt sigil]

If I don’t get top 25 by the end of the season I cut my balls off

[balmy condor]

the bar is getting higher and higher

[thorn fjord]

Let’s see some cut balls people

Go and prog

[keen spruce]

we're not reclearing for all of .5

[balmy condor]

but yeh in 10.2.5 there's 52 assa kills on smold

[keen spruce]

so back to the gulag

[balmy condor]

in 10.2 it was 165

[thorn fjord]

I’ll try sin on smold during a reclear

[keen spruce]

I'm no longer a parse princess. I am only here to bring the vibes

and proc wep enchants

[balmy condor]

so top 150

doesn't sound that bad

[keen spruce]

sin on smold was fine

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I’m sure it is

My muscle memory is just set to sub

[gaunt sigil]

Damn so I was actually just being carried by having a good guild and not being a good player

Cringe

[balmy condor]

kinda yeh

all star points are a fucking sham

[gaunt sigil]

I had all purples except smold

[thorn fjord]

Still better than the average

[runic hinge]

I don’t even know what all star points mean

[gaunt sigil]

I wanted to play Assa S2 but my old guild said I needed to stay on war and also M+ was kinda cringe on Assa S2 imo

[thorn fjord]

Kinda?

[keen spruce]

all star points assign a point value from like 1-120

based on your prase %

so rank 1 is 120 points for that boss

or something idk if it's different this tier

it was 120 in abberus

[balmy condor]

all you need to know is that my 100 parse on mythic sark is 117.8 and my 94 on rashok is 112.11

and if that sounds dumb

it is

[gaunt sigil]

Idk I personally just enjoy Assa a lot so S2 M+ was still ok for me

They really just should make it 0-100 no?

[keen spruce]

i mean it doesn't matter

they all get added up to your all star score

not averaged

[gaunt sigil]

I mean yeah it’s still stupid but it’s be slightly less stupid

[keen spruce]

if they averaged all of your bosses then it would make sense to make it max 100

so that it kind of matched your average parse %

[balmy condor]

all star points in general are just real silly

[keen spruce]

but then there'd be no point to have all star points

[balmy condor]

it's like ilvl %

but worse

[keen spruce]

i mean there already isn't a point

[gaunt sigil]

But if it was average, If you just did 100 on first boss you’d have rank 1

[keen spruce]

but yeah

it's just to make them different

[balmy condor]

you're implying there's a point to them now

[keen spruce]

no you'd have 100 on first boss and 0's on the rest

so it'd average to something bad

low 10's or somethin

[gaunt sigil]

Idk parsing in general is kinda cringe, especially with PI and Aug

Don’t get me wrong, I still wanna farm parses, but it’s also stupid

[keen spruce]

Augs*

[storm forum]

Shmeeps would you join up with all the other duck pfp lads from other class discords and beat up weirdos with duck pfp that give the duck pfp gang a bad rep?

[runic hinge]

I was 2860 as assa in s2 and I was top 100 in the world lol

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[keen spruce]

yeah sure

who's bein weird

[runic hinge]

2876 lmao

[gaunt sigil]

I was forced to warrior main last season so my Assa only got ksm

Guess I need to do more keys

[keen spruce]

this is good season to push on assas

everyone has basically abandoned it

[runic hinge]

I can tell people I was a top 100 rogue in the world with zero context and it’s technically true

[keen spruce]

but it's still quite stronk

[storm forum]

Sorry, it was just a theoretical. I needed to know if the duck people are real.

[runic hinge]

Duck mafia

[thorn fjord]

My gif was to the duck message not you lol

[runic hinge]

Oh lol

[plain moon]

Ducks are clearly the !bis profile pic

[dark token]

Assa is quite good yes

Outlaw is better

But assa still dumps most of specs in game

It's kinda like BM hunter

Big damage but has some trouble living at highest key levels

But you can easily get title on it imo

[subtle tundra]

uh

[dark token]

It feels stronger than sub was in s1/2 for example

[subtle tundra]

bm is kinda tanky brother

welcome to df

[dark token]

They have more hp than us sadly

Rogue needs more HP

For real

[keen spruce]

assas with 2m evasion and not stam buff in the tree

[subtle tundra]

not outlaw

fuck outlaw

[keen spruce]

and not stacking vers

[dark token]

It's pretty bad being 1shot by stuff 2 key levels below everyone else

[keen spruce]

makes us pretty fkin squish

[dark token]

The stam talent needs to be in the class tree

It's pretty absurd only outlaw gets it

[subtle tundra]

well this season just exarcebates the issue that we are squishier

[dark token]

Especially when it was 10%

[keen spruce]

I mean with feint we're still tankier than most specs in the game

just not tankier than the meta ones

[dark token]

Yes but also feint is predictive mitigation, there is some stuff that will just 1tap you unless you constantly pre feint it

And that is shit gameplay loop

[keen spruce]

not much

but yeah

we have no passive durability

[dark token]

Like brh last boss or WM thorns boss

[keen spruce]

last boss brh is semi predictable

it's on a timer at least

[dark token]

It's not that predictable, I watch his projectiles yes

But it's still aids

[keen spruce]

the timing is

like when a bolt is going to go out

[dark token]

Every 2s cast a random 1shot

How is this good design

[keen spruce]

it's not

but also that's just how infinitely scaling content works

[shy pecan]

Why the yellow bear?

[keen spruce]

we're doing the pooh thing again

i have befriended the pirates

i put a little duck bill on him tho

and a duck hat

[shy pecan]

[runic hinge]

I hate it

[midnight atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[subtle tundra]

there should be a balance between depleting cause of time and depleting cause of bs dmg

[keen spruce]

yeah i agree

i think it's better if you the timer becomes the wall first

which makes you pull bigger and do more creative stuff

instead of "oh i better throw on the tank trinkets and pray"

[royal lantern]

shmeeps has an outlaw icon and talks about m+

they infected him

[near valley]

Everyone converts eventually

[thorn fjord]

Embrace all the specs brother

[clever sapphire]

well he also has a sub icon so he is just everywhere

[royal lantern]

go and keep it rolling in the Kindergarten

[restive falcon]

no sin buffs

[runic hinge]

We don’t need buffs

[royal lantern]

how the fuck does sub avoid ANY nerfs

lol

like, HOW

[runic hinge]

Sub is kinda wild rn tho

[royal lantern]

litearlly the best spec in the game on all fights

and just nothing

[storm forum]

Is Realz a sub main?

[woeful meteor]

no one got nerfed in PVE, so I'd guess they wait until HOF closed and Fyraak gets nerfed

[royal lantern]

its just

LITEARLLY season1 again

starts strong->nerfed once and is ok now->nerfed again for no reason->they buff all other classes/specs in the game beyond the OG dmg

and sub/outlaw get ignored

[woeful meteor]

no this time I already swapped to sub on the second to last Boss

[royal lantern]

2x in the same expansion

like

2x

HOW do you fuck that up 2x in not even over 1year

[quiet oar]

🤝

[shy pecan]

Too many yellow bears…

[quiet oar]

Did you lurk in Outlaw chat

DId you see how many there are

[shy pecan]

I don’t wanna see more rats

So

[quiet oar]

????

You wanna see pets

[shy pecan]

Like zac and llmch?

[shy pecan]

Stuart pics any day of the week, tyvm

[shy pecan]

I’ll take puppo pics np

[winged sun]

Hi

Outlaw channel thinks im sleeping

[quiet oar]

[keen spruce]

u know what's crazzy

sub rogue survived this balance pass

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-january-23-1770076

[gusty mirage]

[quiet oar]

Imagine sin being this good

Oh wait

We already had that

[runic hinge]

No nerfs in the whole thing. They want you to be in hof already

[keen spruce]

that's fair

but why not

[runic hinge]

He eating so fast

[balmy condor]

kinda funny at this point

[keen spruce]

revert assas 3%

or like

give ele shaman something

[quiet oar]

Im pretty Sure you can revert all nerfs

And sub is still head to head

[runic hinge]

Ele sham too op on council

[keen spruce]

same as every tier

[grim tangle]

blizzard trying to atone for bfa

[gusty mirage]

Nah cause assassination would yoink PI back and beat it with that

But yeah pre nerf assassination without PI was kinda mid to begin with

Good balancing.

[quiet oar]

Depends on how many bms and pis you have

Like we have 1 pi atm

[gusty mirage]

Pre nerf assassination smokes BM

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

It’s not even debatable

[keen spruce]

post nerf BM better

[quiet oar]

But Yeah

Like

It took them 4 years to nerf pi in wl and unholy

And for sin it took them 4 eeeks

[gusty mirage]

Took less, the last nerf was just uncalled for

Idk who thought it needed another nerf

[spice spire]

Me

[gusty mirage]

But I want whatever crack they’re smoking. It’d be a good time

[keen spruce]

same person that thinks they need the last nerf every patch

[spice spire]

It is

[quiet oar]

The same person who thought rets need a buff

[quiet oar]

You just want Peace and silence

And no more log reviews

[spice spire]

Yeah and

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

Tbf he does that to himself

[quiet oar]

True

But He is a King for that

[gusty mirage]

He a bitch for everything else tho

[spice spire]

I’m gonna tell ur husband ur hitting on me

[gusty mirage]

I’m gonna tell my husband to hit you

[spice surge]

Clearly feral needs singletarget buffs

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant beat him up

[gusty mirage]

As did ret pally

[quiet oar]

Raccoons are dangerous

[keen spruce]

tbh like half of these buffs like

feel very random

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

Ret pally could use some help though

[keen spruce]

just kinda flingin shit at the wall and see what sticks

[odd ingot]

why they nerfed us ;(((

I mean

[gusty mirage]

Idk ours cranks

[odd ingot]

in weeks ago

[keen spruce]

but like

Ret ST was lacking a little bit

but they buffed their AoE

[raven egret]

ret didnt need THAT MUCH help 🤔

[gusty mirage]

Cause everything they do cleaves

[odd ingot]

Final Verdict got buffed

what you mean ?

[gusty mirage]

Bro ret has to be the most resident sleeper melee dps

And that’s saying a lot lmao

[keen spruce]

[odd ingot]

don't consider 50%

[keen spruce]

[odd ingot]

go to 95%

[bright turret]

they decided to stop nerfing anything after sin's 2nd nerf

[keen spruce]

that's not how blizzzard balances

[gusty mirage]

Gotta do Volcross only as well

[keen spruce]

alledgedly

[gusty mirage]

Cause they fuck on add fights especially

[keen spruce]

okay heoric 50 volc

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I mean they’re strong in ST after the last round of buffs

Let them have it

[keen spruce]

i'm just sayin the buffs don't make that much sense

most are fine ig

frost and uh

goodge

shadow sure

surv ye

feral

idk

sure why not

[bright turret]

gotta prove the sub rework was successful by forcing people to play it

[keen spruce]

eh idk most of these are fine

i'm withdrawing my dooming

[spice surge]

could play outlaw if you prefer

[raven egret]

they missed nerfing sin again thought

[dark token]

Would actually be really funny if sin gets another nerf

[lucid knoll]

just revert 3% nerf

[gaunt moat]

sin gonna be bottom 3, where we belong and thrive.

[raven egret]

imagine if we didnt get PI where we'd be on that chart XD

[spice spire]

Bottom

[raven egret]

nah it couldnt be lower tahn Survival hunter!!! Surely

[keen spruce]

well we're here and all of these got buffed

and many of us are still getting PI

[gilded oasis]

yeah well nerf sub

[keen spruce]

i think they wait for HoF then nerf things

[runic hinge]

Hey wait I told you that

[keen spruce]

yes

and now i think it

[gilded oasis]

unsubscribe

[runic hinge]

I’m sorry but you’re stuck here for life

[gilded oasis]

shit

[dark token]

What happened to aff all of a sudden

Why they rising

[storm forum]

They're getting PI now

(I have no idea)

[keen spruce]

they're a good pi target ye

idk if that's why

i know it was kinda slappin on tindral

[dark token]

That's demo

Aff?

[keen spruce]

aff yes

[royal lantern]

im what shithole guild do you need to be that they still give a rogue pi when its litearlly a dmg down for the raid

[dark token]

2 priests and only 1 BM hunter

So assa rogue gets one

[keen spruce]

we have 3 priests

[dark token]

I play sub other guy plays assa

[royal lantern]

allright, thats different problems then

[dark token]

It's not like assa is a bad pi target now

It's still above most specs, just BM is very slightly better

[keen spruce]

uhdk and bm

assas still gonna be a good target in a lot of raid groups

depending on their comps

[raven egret]

I mean the issue is that without PI it feels kinda... well... yeah

progging Smoldy right now, and if I go Sub PI could go to the BM, which I dont really want to do mind you

[balmy condor]

tis how it be sadly

[keen spruce]

I played assas on every boss except kurog since season 1

just cuz we got nerfed doesn't mean i'm gonna stop now

and i'm still gettin a pi

[gusty mirage]

then your RL is an actual potato

[keen spruce]

we have 3 priests

1uhdk

1bm

1 assas

[gusty mirage]

why do you have 3 priests

lmao

[keen spruce]

we can't all be in fancy guilds with optimal comps

we have one of each spec

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

actually one of the healers plays holy and disc

[balmy condor]

we also have one of each

[gusty mirage]

you also had 3 warriors at one point

[balmy condor]

one for each one of my nuts

[gusty mirage]

hot

I tagged you in a video and you ego'd me

I'm mad at you

[errant swallow]

I was really hoping for some buffs or reverts 😦

[echo jay]

!dreamcarver

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[slate crown]

Is this an alert one of you created or is discord screening channels and creating alerts automatically now?

[runic hinge]

We’re just in here

[slate crown]

Discord's watching closely

[past forum]

my raid group has had up to 5 hunters. shit's wild out here on the streets

[gusty mirage]

5 hunters aint even an issue anymore

[gusty mirage]

it's a new feature

throw it in the pile of other features no one asked for

[past forum]

that was s1 when they had no raid buffs and did mid damage

[gusty mirage]

BM was insane in vault

wat

[past forum]

huh, coulda fooled me lol

also 3 of our hunters were mm

[royal lantern]

you bought into the Hunter propaganda

[gusty mirage]

but

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[royal lantern]

OMG BLIZZ HATES HUNTER THEY WHERE SO BAD meanwhile hunter was top dps with 2specs

same as HUNTER HAS NO DEFFENSIVES when they have more then 80% of classes

[past forum]

the propaganda about hunters being squishy and doing no damage was fueled by all the hunters out there that died and did no damage

[balmy condor]

that's just discord

it's

really fucking stupid

at least they let you turn it off though

[gusty mirage]

I'm really fucking stupid, can you turn me off?

[royal lantern]

"hunter is so squishy"

meanwhile hunter: highest HP pool in the game togheter with Warlock, like 100k above others

2self heal abilitys

1 dr

1 immunity

squishy btw

[slate crown]

I mean it said assa's role in raid was being discussed, and apparently that's what it got from you talking about your nuts 👌

Great feature

[gusty mirage]

they had 1 heal

1 shitty wall

and turtle

what

[royal lantern]

assas rolenin a raidgroup is melee dps

[gusty mirage]

exhil was like an 18 year cooldown at that

am I playing a different game than yall

or what

[keen spruce]

hunters pretty tanky now

[gusty mirage]

yeah now they are

[keen spruce]

if you add a lotta HP onto their shitty defensives

[gusty mirage]

now that they have 2 walls

[keen spruce]

they're pretty beefy

[gusty mirage]

and exhil isn't useless

[keen spruce]

ye

and tehy ahve almost 1m health

their util is just kinda cheeks for keys

[tulip stratus]

this might be a dumb question but with interal bleeding does it change our rotation in anyway or just a bonus dps talent

[gusty mirage]

just a bonus

[tulip stratus]

thanks

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

A million HP, +20% HP for 10s on a 2 min CD, 40% DR for 6s on a 2.4 min CD, 30% selfheal + hot every ~1 min and a straight up immunity

like

thats hunter rn

[keen spruce]

hey oxi u lookin extra cute today

[gusty mirage]

yes right now, and no one is saying hunter is squishy right now

[gusty mirage]

no u

[spice spire]

Hey shmeeps you remind me to ping Zac today

[gusty mirage]

boomkins are the new hunter now

[spice spire]

@midnight mist

[gusty mirage]

they just die to everything

[keen spruce]

yw

[royal lantern]

good

lets hope boomkins die out

[shy pecan]

😐

[past forum]

bro what are you even talking about, they can go bear form that's so OP like hello

[royal lantern]

world is a better place without people playing that spec

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

i just realised, we have no boomkin rn

and the bosses dont get pulled at 4seconds

I WONDER WHY

[gusty mirage]

@past forum

[gusty mirage]

dw fyrakk will teach people not to pull early

[thorn fjord]

I am disappointed there was no rogue text

Least they could do is give us back that 5%

Bastards

[gusty mirage]

you think they were going to revert the change they made 3 weeks ago?

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[thorn fjord]

Shows humility bro

🤣

[past forum]

that's the best part of fyrakk, he puts early pullers on blast by just absolutely rinsing them

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

dw they'll give assa a 5% buff in 2 months after everyone stops playing it

[royal lantern]

all bosses should do that

[past forum]

now, igira tank cleave....

[royal lantern]

just kill pre-pullers

[gusty mirage]

they're too busy buffing ret pala

which clearly needed it

[past forum]

i prayge 1 day i dont have cheat procced on pull by her

[royal lantern]

that buff

is so random

like

[gusty mirage]

also feral

their aoe is doo doo

so to balance it out

they buffed their ST

[royal lantern]

"yeha, ret suffers a bit from its tree nit really letting you getting st and aoe at the same time"

[gusty mirage]

I'm going back to my original guess

[royal lantern]

"LETS GIGA BUFF THEIR AOE"

[past forum]

but you can put bleeds on multiple targets, isnt that like aoe?

[gusty mirage]

6 MONTHS LATER

RINGS TRUE

[spice spire]

This explains a lot because outside of rh no one talks about sub rogue so it never got data to implement balancing

[gusty mirage]

that's what I'm saying

and if it scraped RH

[spice spire]

Assassination best and the world talks about it

[gusty mirage]

it'd see hacha talking about rotten or some other cursed shit

[spice spire]

Sub best? Community sleep

[gusty mirage]

and just throw it away

[past forum]

okay but the cursed hacha builds were the only time i enjoyed sub when i rerolled rogue so my raid group had one

the 25 step opener for the rotten dust every active build

[royal lantern]

who?

[sturdy raft]

im new to rogue. any tips on not draining energy in m+? i always feel like im at 0 energy

[storm forum]

Apply more bleeds

On bosses/single target though where you can't do that though, you just got to live with it.

Part of how our spec is designed/balanced is energy drought outside of CDs

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[storm forum]

Read or watch that to learn how to make the best of it

[sturdy raft]

i appreciate the response. so much to learn!

[gaunt sigil]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[waxen oyster]

just tricks someone you dont like and pull early

then blame it on them

[wild birch]

Why does VAST majority play with improved ambush over tight spender, even though it sims worse?

In raids*

[drifting cloud]

theres no good reason, people just dont know it sims better

[wild birch]

There's no way top 100 rogues on their spec don't know that

[waxen oyster]

marginal diff based on gear

[drifting cloud]

but yeah its just a combination of gear and blindside nerfs

[earnest remnant]

you would be surprised

[wild birch]

I am surprised, that's why I asked the question

[balmy condor]

oh sweet summer child

[blazing jewel]

[wild birch]

Fuck this, I give up thinking about it

I never seen improved ambush better on a sim on both of my fully geared rogs

Even with PI it's worse

[waxen oyster]

having multiple rogues

[shy pecan]

Are you hoping for improved ambush to be better or something?

[wild birch]

Special circumstances, I ain't playing 2 rogs :D Just had to have 2 of them

[waxen oyster]

sus

[wild birch]

No, I just don't understand why people use it

[waxen oyster]

alergic to change

[balmy condor]

they saved off their builds at the start of the season

and then never changed it when blindside got nerfed

it's really that simple

[waxen oyster]

did the build in guide change

[balmy condor]

yes

all the builds use tight spender

[waxen oyster]

idk im stuck in late boss prison

[balmy condor]

there was a pin saying we're moving to tight spender and everything

[waxen oyster]

as sub

[balmy condor]

people just refused to change

[wild birch]

Except the one in Fuu spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

out of pure laziness, or out of ignorance

[waxen oyster]

but yeah

[balmy condor]

respectfully if you're looking at a spreadsheet for builds you're already fucking lost lmao

[waxen oyster]

top 100 logs arent always just skill

[balmy condor]

top 100 logs are most often not skill actually

I would say the vast majority aren't related to skill

[wild birch]

Well aware of that, but it's like 95% to 5% overall, not just top 100.

[waxen oyster]

be on a boss with sub 100 logs of your spec

the you can be top 100

[waxen oyster]

ignorance and laziness

[balmy condor]

it is what it is

[waxen oyster]

are very real factors

[runic hinge]

What’s the variance on the top 100 logs? Is it more than 500 dps

[blazing jewel]

I followed my big cheats build off of Whispyr.gg and cant get a blue parse!!!!!! bad guide!!!!!!

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[balmy condor]

top 100 on nymue ranges from 253k to 188k

like

the top 100 is a spread of almost 70k dps

and we're arguing over a talent difference worth 300 dps

it's so pointless

[waxen oyster]

are those just 10.2.5 logs

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

i cant imagine how cursed nymue timers are for sin now

with more gear

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that Kyle

[blazing jewel]

did that fight get changed?

why would the timers be different

[waxen oyster]

no but we got more gear

so boss die faster

[balmy condor]

some taiwan guy did 253k on a 4:53 timer

bro is cracked lmao

[waxen oyster]

nah its cursed at like

when boss dies 5s into last kb

[spice spire]

Blud crit every tick of kingsbane for that juicer

[blazing jewel]

parsing this tier is so cursed

[balmy condor]

126 hits on signet brand

[waxen oyster]

our third nymue kill boss was dead halfway into final kb

[spice spire]

[waxen oyster]

i cant imagine now

with more gear

[balmy condor]

his signet brand actually did 2x mine

insane

12k dps signet brand

[spice spire]

Blud cracked

[balmy condor]

how does one learn this skill

[spice spire]

Real

[blazing jewel]

when we were pulling fyrakk last night

there was a late p3 pull that signet only did .9%

[balmy condor]

yeah

[blazing jewel]

when do I click rope

[balmy condor]

it's insane

[waxen oyster]

500k shadow rupture tick

[blazing jewel]

thats like 9 minutes into the fight

and its at .9

[balmy condor]

I looked at a log of mine cause I thought I played it well

and shit did actually 2k dps

[waxen oyster]

i hate brand so much as a trinket

[balmy condor]

and then the next boss it did 10k

[waxen oyster]

kinda refuse to play it on non long bosses

[balmy condor]

and I'm sitting there like

huh

weird

[blazing jewel]

we inted our smold reclear so we actually got all the intermissions

[balmy condor]

8k dps swing from a trinket, throw a bad wafting on top, miss a couple crits on KB

[blazing jewel]

winning got to blast it was disgusting

[balmy condor]

boom you're down 15k

for no fucking reason

silly spec

[waxen oyster]

sub isnt much better

i love proccing shadow rupture

during all my amps

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's

[drifting cloud]

yeah well I did mine with IC and forgot to press dm at the end

[balmy condor]

really dumb lmao

[drifting cloud]

beat that

[waxen oyster]

and just doing 10x more than other attempts

[blazing jewel]

pre rework sin was great because the variance wasnt that high

[balmy condor]

the only thing I'm beating is my meat buddy

[spice spire]

Blud

[waxen oyster]

i think on tindral i pre much accepted

[spice spire]

Nah

[runic hinge]

Just had to pray to proc sophic during dm

[balmy condor]

pass the blunt

[waxen oyster]

that if i got over 1m shadow rupture in my opener

someone was gonna wipe us p1

[blazing jewel]

was it not on the lower end of most specs for variance

I swear I remember that

[spice spire]

What I’m saying

[waxen oyster]

only got 1.99m on kill throughout whole fight

[spice spire]

Pass the blunt

[balmy condor]

bro just fucking forgot about sophic and nelth trinket

[waxen oyster]

im actually slightly curious

which of the 3 specs now has the least variance

[spice spire]

Blud also forgot that seal fate just existed

[blazing jewel]

yea but most other specs were at the mercy of that too right

[spice spire]

Spec literally founded in rng

[waxen oyster]

what outlaw?

[balmy condor]

yeah and yet there's assa in the top 10

[blazing jewel]

what patch is that

[balmy condor]

you tell me buddy

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

you're the rng expert apparently

[earnest remnant]

it says t30 scana

[blazing jewel]

oh im blind

[balmy condor]

he doesn't know what tier it is

[blazing jewel]

I so thought rogue was lower on that chart

[balmy condor]

for all he knows, t30 is this patch

[blazing jewel]

I AM WRONG

[waxen oyster]

is there one for this tier

[balmy condor]

don't worry

this tier

is much worse

rng city bois

[waxen oyster]

wait

[balmy condor]

gamba time

[waxen oyster]

sin is more rng than outlaw

[balmy condor]

I mean

equal

[waxen oyster]

what a time to be alive

[slate crown]

A sorts before O dunno what to tell u

[balmy condor]

assassination is higher on that list by alphabetical order

so

you can bust out the pixel ruler though

(they're equal)

4.1 = 4.1 = 4.1

[waxen oyster]

tbh outlaw rng now primarily is crackshot

and ig if you roll 6

[slate crown]

Dunno looks equal

[balmy condor]

the pixel ruler was a joke

bruh

[slate crown]

BUT I HAVE ONE

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

4.1 is 4.1

why do you think it would be different lengths

[runic hinge]

Are you trying to make me do math

[balmy condor]

frost, assa, and outlaw, are all 4.1, so they're exactly the same length

it's just death knight starts with D

and D comes before R

and then A comes before O

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

now I know my ABC's

next time won't you sing with me

[shy pecan]

LE just wanted to show off the pixel ruler

[balmy condor]

yeah fr fr

[slate crown]

how dare you accuse me of something true

[balmy condor]

where's my pixel ruler weakaura Lisonna

chop chop

[slate crown]

you know

[balmy condor]

I actually fucking hate you

[slate crown]

I actually started thinking about for a couple seconds

then I stopped

[blazing jewel]

no think

head empty

its bis

[spice spire]

Why r u this way LE

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Mochi fr

[blazing jewel]

yes

[balmy condor]

here's an idea

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/static-glitch-gif-11312357

[balmy condor]

magnifying glass weakaura

so you can target nameplates

aight I got work to do I need to stop shitposting

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-12065013016370441684

[slate crown]

Fucking scope weakaura

[slate crown]

You didn't watch it till the end yet, it's a long gif

just keep watching

[blazing jewel]

okok

[slate crown]

you'll know when u see it

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

can you post your noodle cat in the pet thread

very important

https://tenor.com/view/noodle-eating-ramen-cat-pusheen-gif-16501896

[spice spire]

Can’t just ask someone to post their noodle

[blazing jewel]

nono noodle cat

[runic hinge]

Don’t love this. It’s kinda spooky

[blazing jewel]

LE has a bis cat

add it to the wowhead bis list

[spice spire]

Idk man boots is up there

[blazing jewel]

all sidegrades in S tier

[keen spruce]

tf is goin on in here

[blazing jewel]

the usual

[spice spire]

Yapping

[runic hinge]

Scana tryna see noodles

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

“Send noods.” - scana probably

[blazing jewel]

this is slander

[spice spire]

Slander?

I hardly know er!

[blazing jewel]

!rtb ban quake

[waxen oyster]

i should call her

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce wake up

[spice spire]

Real

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[keen spruce]

huh?

i'm always awake

[blazing jewel]

[willow grotto]

Hello, does anyone have a spreadsheet on the dps gained by an evoker augmentation for each specialization?

sorry if my sentence is wrong, English is not my first language

[quiet oar]

Maybe the evoker discord

[blissful forge]

[vestal wren]

i don't think there is one

but the evoker discord would be the first place to look at as tiramil mentioned

[toxic night]

genuinely curious at some point all 3 rogue specs were dominating at the top so why did they decide to nerf assa 2 times and ignore the two other specs for the rest of the patch ?

i mean assa is pretty decent right so its ok but these balance decisions are sometimes weird

[quiet oar]

Yeah im suprised Sub didnt get nerfed

[grizzled night]

Hey guys, one quick question, which fight style is better for simulating AoE fights? Patchwerk, Dungeon slice or Hectic and cleave?

[keen spruce]

what sort of AoE fight

generally

patchwerk for ST

Dungeon slice for M+

which gives you a roughly simulated dungeon environment

mix of AoE and ST

[muted tapir]

Does anyone know off the top of their head what ilvl nick of time starts to overtake 486 crafted

(Not at my pc to sim these late night thoughts)

[balmy condor]

483

In mainhand at least

In offhand it’s probably like

185

Cause offhand item level is a fake stat with no meaning

(Probably closer to like 465 but same shit)

[muted tapir]

Copy ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[tulip stratus]

whats offhand item lvl fake stat mean

[balmy condor]

It means offhand weapon item level isn’t great

Usually good stats and timestrike easily wins

Cause the only thing that scales from offhand damage is autos and 1/3rd of mutilates damage

[tulip stratus]

interesting i thought they were just two main hands basically but they arent?

[balmy condor]

Correct

The mainhand (left slot in your character sheet) is much more important than your offhand

[tulip stratus]

thanks I have a 463 offhand and simmed a 486 which was only a 0.7% upgrade which confused me but i get it now

is sin the least played rogue spec

I got a "99"% parse for my item lvl but the sample size is so small

[subtle tundra]

ilvl parse is not a good metric for any spec

[tulip stratus]

how come?

[subtle tundra]

big rant

[balmy condor]

You’re comparing against a small sample size

And item level is just an all around awful metric

I could equip like a 460 wrist, drop 6 item level

And then stop the entire bracket

Cause I have 489 trinkets and weapons

Versus a bunch of 470 equipped people

And they’d get fucking cooked

[tulip stratus]

thanks for the explanation, ive never really taken it seriously only for cope

[balmy condor]

Item level just a funny number on the screen but doesn’t mean jack shit

You’d assume generally like a 470 will do less than a 480

[subtle tundra]

85 parse at 476 is pretty good regardless

[balmy condor]

But even then just get better rng on the 470 and they could probably win

[subtle tundra]

considering people are ~8-10 ilvl higher

[tulip stratus]

:) thanks

its all thanks to this helpful discord

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[kind forge]

a little time away and there are new camps in this discord

[royal lantern]

"new"

stealthi was our #1 critter for years

[tall jay]

I’m always looking for blue numbers on my Warcraft log screen. Got them all but the last 3 bosses lol I hope my 60s are good lol

Does anybody use this weak aura for rogue? https://wago.io/n7l5uN3YM

[royal python]

Does Blizzard devs like outlaw more than assassination

[gray hazel]

Anyone know how to add a sound to notters kingsbane WA when it’s time to vanish? It seems like the sound was removed in the last update

[royal lantern]

what stupid qurestion is that

lol

[desert inlet]

need to add a property change for the sound

that's on the Kingsbane Damage part of the WA

[gray hazel]

Thank you!

[pearl mauve]

Hey, trying out Assa, doing some WA etc, is there any single scenario where i'd use Shadow Dance and Kingsbane separatly ? Or can I just macro them both and ignore tracking SD cd ?

[grim tree]

I have macro

Sd with kingsbane

[royal lantern]

not really tbh

[past forum]

I have SD bound separately as well as macro’d into kb. I just assumed that if you were gonna use dance to cleave bleeds you’d wanna kb later in the dance to make sure your envenom uptime during kb was high, but in that case do you still just wanna send kb first global anyway?

[dark token]

i usually send it anyway

even if im ignoring the kb

for better alignment with deathmark

its usually a mistake to not use cooldowns on cd in keys

[past forum]

Yeah that’s pretty reasonable

I’ll keep it a buck, while I’ve always trusted when people say “just use cds on cd” it felt turbo bad to send a dm in a lower key just to have a dh eye beam the pack into non-existence. Now that I’m doing reasonably higher keys it feels more rewarding just sending.

[dark token]

what key level are you doing

play ap shock build below 25 in all keys, and play around ur bleeds more than kb if stuff wont live full duration

it helps a lot

[dark token]

i dont send death mark unless there is a mob > 10m hp in the pack

it wont live so no point

you just send ur 1 mins in this case

and save deathmark for something big

or when other dps dont have cds

[subtle gyro]

Its safe to macro Branch with DM... I would assume so?

[spice spire]

Yes

[subtle gyro]

I have a decent WA for it, but is there one that makes the orbs more noticeable or something. Guild said...oh they come to you, and I know this...but i thought the point was to collect 2 and wait on the 3rd to extend the buff.

[dark token]

lisonna has a good branch WA

it plays tick sounds when you pick up an orb

and a water drop when its time to pick up 3rd orb

helps a lot

[subtle gyro]

i think i may actually have that exact one

[dark token]

there isnt really a better Wa

[subtle gyro]

nvm...i have one called Luckystrike...er made by. shrug

[subtle gyro]

So...you can a cheat death from mech using the dagger....so while using that dagger and spec for cheat death, do you can 2 then or could I switch? I hear Elusi is really good.

[spice surge]

Its not a cheat death

Its heal for 10% of your health once you drop below 20%