assassination

[steel ridge]

did you?

[royal lantern]

go and push keys into a keyhole

[spice spire]

At a certain point of variables, it’s a mini game

[civic sedge]

no

[crisp pine]

wtf do you even mean by this

[spice surge]

A. He links what sims the highest, which is the things he linked
B. Theres like 4 different talent setups you can use for m+ that all work and do good damage

[clever sapphire]

Go to wowhead, see that assa has 6 m+ builds, pick your poison

[spice surge]

Just depends on what you want exactly

[royal lantern]

wound and instant

fight me

[clever sapphire]

Crippling and sanguine

[spice spire]

I will

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hug-bff-best-friend-friend-gif-9512793

[civic sedge]

so what is the best single build for dps for m+?

[royal lantern]

there is none lol

[spice spire]

There isn’t one

[clever sapphire]

The one you enjoy

[spice spire]

You’re going to have 9000 different situations where one build will excel over the other one

Playing the game will help with your decision making

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-pirates-day-chuckmccarthy-arrr-gif-10893476421774942887

[royal lantern]

tyranical and your group has a dh+ww? going bit aoe with crimson tempest will not really be THAT great overall cus stuff just die fast

but same group in a fort week? now its actually better then before

assa has no "1size fits all"

[steel ridge]

speccing into outlaw

[thorn fjord]

^^^ this guy gets it

[spice spire]

Outlaw players 👉 🚪

[crisp pine]

Speccing into outlaw to get invites, respeccing to assa before the key starts

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/everythings-gonne-be-okay-eric-cartman-south-park-fatbeard-s13e7-gif-22897458

[royal lantern]

not doing keys and enjoying life

[clever sapphire]

How do i gear my alts without keys

Reee

[spice spire]

I enjoyed keys more than raid

I’ll say it

[crisp pine]

Imagine staring at a big fire drake for 500 pulls and still not killing it lol

[quiet oar]

Quake is based

[steel ridge]

thats the thing, if you dont do keys you dont need gear

[spice surge]

Keys are a vibe this season imo, mostly good dungeons

[royal lantern]

very very very rare quake L take

[steel ridge]

♿

[spice spire]

Because it was a mini game that I did not care about

If I was let down by pugs? WhTever

Raid? Tilter

[lucid spoke]

any 1 knows if its worth to use sepsis atm in pvp?

[clever sapphire]

Stop making me question reality

[quiet oar]

You are a good boi

[steel ridge]

everybody knows that dragonracing is the real content

[clever sapphire]

Pvp channel

[spice spire]

Afaik no but #pvp to be safe

[lucid spoke]

k thx

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha sure, i just cant take m+ serious so its just doing weekly shit and vibe

[clever sapphire]

Only place i dont use pathfinder is on tindral, fight me

[royal lantern]

timed? not timed cus randoms are randoms? w/e, vault is full

[steel ridge]

whats pathfinder?

[spice spire]

Yeah exactly

[clever sapphire]

Normal mounts

Not dragoons

[spice spire]

I find it enjoyable just vibing

Over doing the right thing 6000000 times and still failing in raid

Because ranged can’t count

[royal lantern]

RANGED MOVE OUT

litearlly every ranged in the game: "eh the others will do it, i just stand still and dps"

[quiet oar]

if they could read, tehy would be very upset

[spice spire]

Brother 300 wipes on echo and not killing it broke me

[royal lantern]

i love raiding

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i hate 70% of raiders

and 99% of raidleaders

[subtle kiln]

amature numbers.

[royal lantern]

[steel ridge]

raids are for memes

just meme every pulltimer

[subtle kiln]

your guild was dead before you got to echo

[royal lantern]

you cant, the boomkin is gonna pull at 4seconds

[subtle kiln]

imagine having a boomkin in raid.

[crisp pine]

I always pull with poisoned knife

[royal lantern]

cus apperantly its really hard to notice that a cast with a 1sec cast time should not be used at 6sec pulltimer

[quiet oar]

its always boomies or WL

And you attack as melee and get cheat triggered

Because tanks sleeping

[clever sapphire]

Whats cheat

I never cheat

[crisp pine]

How do you win in life then?

[clever sapphire]

Who said that i win

Huh

[crisp pine]

That's fair

Dude the group lead here is declining like 488 Demon Hunters
Yet he invited me
That's not a good sign is it

[clever sapphire]

Dh hater

Good sign

[neat rain]

So question based off of Method.gg is the build similar to the raid build, 'Cleave build' preforming better or worse in mythics than the other demise builds?

And if it performs better which fights does it perform better in? (Specifically only talking about mythic+s rn)

[green apex]

We got m larry Tuesday! Going into M Nyume tn! Very excite. Any tips/tricks for her?

[gray crest]

Dodge

[green apex]

On heroic I just stand there so that's going to be a challenge for sure

[civic sedge]

ok so

Arterial Shock is best for Raging
Hybrid is best for Fortified
Cleave is best for Tyrannical

but what if the week has none of those 3?

or it has 2 of those

[spice spire]

There’s no de facto best.

[civic sedge]

there is a best one depending on the week's modifiers

but no1 has made a flow chart yet

[spice spire]

It’s really just a “the tank/dungeon/affixes will dictate what works best”

[spice spire]

One tank pulls 3 mobs at a time next tank pulls 12, same dungeon, same affix, same level.
Different builds will be best for the situations

It’s a fool’s errand

[neat rain]

That makes sense and obv for Fortified week you use the prio AoE build for mythics to clean up mobs like idk blackrook hold the second pack before the first boss

[civic sedge]

it really makes u wonder

why play assass

when outlaw is better in everything

m+, raid, pvp

i guess assass is better in dampening

[neat rain]

True, but it's not like assassin is out of meta like Marksman hunter or DKs

[lean portal]

it kinda is

[neat rain]

I def still feel strong enough to compete against other classes and thats kinda enough for me at least

Plus I really hate how Outlaw plays. I can't deal with MUH GAMBA

[lean portal]

in m+ it will always be playable cause iron wire and prio target dmg

but in raid i dont see a single argument tbh

[neat rain]

Iron Wire is really good especially if you get a paladin tank you can chain silence packs their entire uptime

[civic sedge]

imagine not playing outlaw

LUL

[neat rain]

I like my poisons

[civic sedge]

in raid sub is the 2nd best spec in the game

after demonology warlock

while outlaw and assass are neck and neck

but considering m+

outlaw is just superior

while sub is better for raid

and assass is also the worst spec in pvp

must suck being an assassin main

[quiet oar]

[neat rain]

We had the beginning of season at least

[subtle tundra]

I'm used to it

[hollow dirge]

No. Tuning sucks, we’ve been overnerfed, but assa rocks.

[civic sedge]

never give up on ur dreams

no matter how bleak it looks like

[quiet oar]

Sin really got overnerfed

Its sad

[clever sapphire]

You did not just pull up a fecking subcreation chart as an argument

[royal lantern]

imagine playing that garbage spec that needs 300000procs every patch to function at all

[civic sedge]

why what's bad with it

[clever sapphire]

A tierlist made around class popularity

Also if we vonsider the fact that it was your argument for why outlaw is better. If you open up and check highest keys done, outlaw has a 28, assa has a 29

So the "worse" spec has a higher key done

[vestal wren]

damn, we are C

[clever sapphire]

Im not saying assa is better, im just saying using subcreation for arguing whats better is dumb

[clever sapphire]

Time for you to reroll fuu

[civic sedge]

i thought it ranks em based on better things

than just popularity

popularity is almost irrelevant

[civic sedge]

other than sample data

[vestal wren]

^ wdym, sub is top on the real tier list

[crisp pine]

Why is Enhancer E :c

what did they do

[clever sapphire]

Surv broken?

[vestal wren]

you answered your question

[civic sedge]

is this list for pve?

[vestal wren]

yes

[crisp pine]

Oh

I'm a clown

[quiet oar]

Read the beginning letter

[clever sapphire]

Outlaw on the bottom, me liky

[quiet oar]

of those specs

[civic sedge]

sadly i dont know half of em

[quiet oar]

Sub is S tier

Aswell as Survival

[clever sapphire]

Thats just how it is

[quiet oar]

A is Assa

[clever sapphire]

Survival surviving it

[quiet oar]

I wish

[clever sapphire]

Wait there really is no C tier spec

I just realised

[thorn fjord]

I'm F tier irl

[clever sapphire]

Fabulous?

[vestal wren]

time to rename retrepution paladin to crusader

so we have someone for the C tier

[clever sapphire]

Im C tier

Yay

Fuu you f tier

Gg

Cant trust you anymore

[quiet oar]

Well

im T Tier

[clever sapphire]

T. Swift tier?

WAIT IT LINES UP, Smolderon is S tier, Fyrakk is F tier

[vestal wren]

[civic sedge]

it would be cool

if blizzard would allow u to create ur own spec from ur class

so u can have a bit of poison

[quiet oar]

Stealthi is S Tier

[civic sedge]

a bit of pirates

a bit of stealthy eviscerates

u could have

a poison pirate

with a pistol

that makes em bleed

ur left hand replaced by a hook that poisons em

so u cant equip weapon in it

[clever sapphire]

SIKE, F stands for Fabulous

[clever sapphire]

Oh no, you know what this means?

Whispyr is W tier

[quiet oar]

[spice surge]

Theres no way demo is better than sub
You cant just blindly look at sites like subcreation without doing any critical thinking at all

[quiet oar]

I mean you can, but you will have a false picture of the Balance

[vast loom]

once next expac releases we will be able to add all the subspecs to this

[vestal wren]

haha true

[clever sapphire]

I did the thinking, demo better because it brings healthstones/soulstone/warlock gate

[gusty mirage]

maybe demonology warlock is latin for BM hunter

[thorn fjord]

I wanna be a butt pirate.... wait

[gusty mirage]

also fuck bm hunter

they were the best spec in 10.0

then they were okay last tier and cried and cried and cried

and now they're one of the best again

and still crying

[dusty storm]

not to mention their rotation is 3 keys

[clever sapphire]

Fuu i realized that this list is actually partly wrong

[vestal wren]

what did i fuck up

[clever sapphire]

How is SuRvival before SuB rogue

And dont even get me started on A tier

[gusty mirage]

also

no F tier?

[kind forge]

fully mobile and range

[gusty mirage]

don't forget BM hunters somehow being out of position always

despite that

[thorn fjord]

Ran a 23 WM yesterday with a BM and poor guy insta melted every time he got thorns lmao

[gusty mirage]

actual kindergarten spec

[thorn fjord]

it was hilarious

[gusty mirage]

that's his fault for not feigning it

skill issue

[thorn fjord]

Yep lolol

Dude was raging and the rest of us were just rofl

[civic sedge]

i am curious, how much does damage differ in good and bad classes? for example last dungeon +22 my friend who plays assass had 125k dps on 1st boss but the havoc dh and the warlock had 250k and 230k dps, he is 484 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

maybe he should sign up for azor's patreon for the feign spreadsheet

[vestal wren]

fair, i did not go that far with sorting

[civic sedge]

does assass suck taht bad?

[gusty mirage]

depends on the dungeon

[kind forge]

no

[gusty mirage]

and if they're using their brain to hold CDs for bosses on tyran weeks

[civic sedge]

2nd boss he did alright but 3rd boss he only did like 60% of the dmg again

[clever sapphire]

Its fine, we can all make mistakes

[gusty mirage]

if they're losing by 100k they're just bad ngl

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/failure-gif-23242816

[clever sapphire]

How long did boss last, did he have cds on pull, did he mess up rota?

[thorn fjord]

Hunter APL's still behind a paywall too? lol

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[civic sedge]

what would u recommend

to tell him to improve?

[gusty mirage]

no, it never really was

azor had his experimental apl stuff there

[thorn fjord]

ah

[gusty mirage]

but the hunter TCers are actually good dudes

[thorn fjord]

I thought that was the meme

[gusty mirage]

people just love shitting on azor

[kind forge]

dont understand why

[thorn fjord]

Lip reading makes it seem like he's saying something really naughty

[kind forge]

azor is a good guy

[gusty mirage]

which I mean he's done plenty to give them material, dunno why they're making shit up

[final star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

ye azor's a good dude

but he's danish

(don't tell stealthi pls)

[vestal wren]

hunters just have impact from a very dominant streamer with some questionable decisions

[kind forge]

[thorn fjord]

Pikaboo best rogue streamer dont @ me

[gusty mirage]

I'm going to at you

[clever sapphire]

After whispyr maybe

[gusty mirage]

I love Pika

good dude

I'm actually somehow a moderator in his channel

dunno how or why that happened

[clever sapphire]

Oxi is slowly taking controll over the world

[thorn fjord]

He’s great tbh

[gusty mirage]

its true

[thorn fjord]

Solid attitude and great player

[gusty mirage]

I actually moderate so many channels on twitch wtf

[thorn fjord]

Is he any good at pve? Never seen him play pve lol

[gusty mirage]

no

he's awful

lmao

[subtle kiln]

he picks randoms to moderate at times iir

[thorn fjord]

Rip

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

I assumed that he would be good, since he is memorizing openers like there is no tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

I helped carry him through some dungeons in bfa

that man on cragmaw

was 10/10 content

he got hit by the charge

brezzed

hit by the charge again

lmao

[clever sapphire]

[oak tangle]

you gotta respect the people who don't care and embrace it

[subtle kiln]

he’s responding to what’s happening not doing a pve dance routine.

[thorn fjord]

When you’re that good at pvp it don’t matter how much you suck in pve

[gusty mirage]

it does

the pve nerds will make fun of you

like the pvp nerds make fun of us

"HAR HAR DRAGONSLAYURS LULZ"

[oak tangle]

i just be bad at both

[thorn fjord]

Have fun killing bots loser

[gusty mirage]

based

[clever sapphire]

Good thing we beat the pvp nerds by like 50 to 1

[subtle kiln]

10 steps ahead of every comp he faces. can’t be arsed with dmb r

[gusty mirage]

I would actually pvp in wow if the balance team wasn't smoking crack

but ya know

[thorn fjord]

Balance usually works in our favor anyway

[gusty mirage]

some of my best wow friends are exclusively pvpers and I miss playing with them

[thorn fjord]

But I haven’t pushed rating in arenas since bfa

[subtle kiln]

oh oxi i promised a dog pict. lets play which channel will it end up in

[clever sapphire]

I tried out pvp, got oneshot 6 out of 10 times, i stopped pvp

[gusty mirage]

the real off topic scath

[oak tangle]

all of them

[gusty mirage]

#assassination

[oak tangle]

light up the discord

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[gusty mirage]

I refuse to read about running shoes

[gusty mirage]

real krill issue is me telling my client they had to be in court this morning and they decided to fly internationally

[thorn fjord]

Uh oh

[gusty mirage]

so now they have a warrant out for their arrest for failure to appear for a fucking ordinance violation

lmfao

[thorn fjord]

You’re never gonna see them again

[gusty mirage]

can't wait to call him and be like "ayo when do you come back?"

[oak tangle]

what's that white shit on the ground

[gusty mirage]

"oh you and your wife are getting arrested in the airport"

"lmk when you land!"

[clever sapphire]

Salt

Never seen it before?

[gusty mirage]

LE BAGUETTE

[gusty mirage]

he's not even real

he pretends he's from australia

and we all know australia isn't real

cause they'd just fall off our flat earth

[oak tangle]

i saw snow once

they told me i couldn't use my toboggan

"it's early season snow it's not safe"

[clever sapphire]

Damn i alwaysknew you were smart

[oak tangle]

so i made a compacted snowball

and threw it at my teacher

[thorn fjord]

I’ve never seen snow in person outside of like being at an airport where it was snowing outside

[gusty mirage]

perfect

now it's time to lie to yourself and us

and tell us how awesome snow is

[thorn fjord]

That shit looks miserable I don’t know what you’re talking about

[clever sapphire]

There is good snow andbad snow

[thorn fjord]

Wet and dirty and cold

Gross

[clever sapphire]

Than there is the shitty mix of snow dust and water

[civic sedge]

when i told my friend he should not be dealing half of the dh's dmg on the boss, he said it's cuz dh is S tier and there's a lot of walking on that boss

[oak tangle]

i was in grade 7 and jsut wanted to play in the snow

[gusty mirage]

I just had my 15 minute drive to court take 45 cause of the snow. WOW SO FUN

[clever sapphire]

Aight thats a skill issue

How the feck you gonna complain about movement as assa

[civic sedge]

cuz he said the boss has mechanics where u have to walk

[clever sapphire]

Also what boss has a lot of movement

[oak tangle]

what boss are we talkign about

[clever sapphire]

Should have walked lazy guy

[gusty mirage]

that 15 minute drive is like a 45 minute walk

wtf

[oak tangle]

i mean if it's volkal, that boss sucks ass

[gusty mirage]

but you aint wrong

[vestal wren]

i am sorry that happened to you

[gusty mirage]

would've taken me the same amount of time

[gusty mirage]

[civic sedge]

it was the 1st boss of AD

bfa

[clever sapphire]

And you would have frozen to death, now you only got annoyed

[gusty mirage]

one of my buddies became a big fortnite streamer and now I deal with 14 year olds messaging me asking me if they can be his friend

[spice spire]

[civic sedge]

the warlock and dh had 200k+ dps and he had like 120k

[clever sapphire]

That doesnt say much

[civic sedge]

Atal Dazar

[clever sapphire]

Seeing as you can choose between 3

[thorn fjord]

14 y/o's messaging you sounds terrifying

[gusty mirage]

if he's losing by 100k on rezan

that's a skill issue man

[vestal wren]

tbh if i would moderate on twitch, i would just set up my private discord to re-post the chat and let me do actions from there

[oak tangle]

it'll be rezan

[clever sapphire]

What if its totem guy

[oak tangle]

man probs doesn't know that cloak, vanish, meld exist

[gusty mirage]

if its totem guy, it kinda makes sense

[clever sapphire]

Its fine on totem guy to lose by 50k dps for all i know

[gusty mirage]

cause you need to use quite a few buttons for the totem

cause if you hold CDs you're in the totem phase for 8 years

[oak tangle]

my bet's on rezan, and it's gonna be a fear dif

[gusty mirage]

God I'd love that

[civic sedge]

it was Rezan

[gusty mirage]

3 minute kill timer is purty good too

[clever sapphire]

Well rezan is straight up st with full uptime

So skill issue

[vestal wren]

i did that for testing, it isn't even that difficult

[clever sapphire]

You even get a bit of cleave sometimes

[thorn fjord]

popping puddles to pad on lil raptor boiz

big brain

[clever sapphire]

Never done it before,couldnt be me

[civic sedge]

he does on pursuit but he had no pursuit

[thorn fjord]

Best is the dragon in DHT... Was in a key where at like 8% the tank popped the whole back side eggs

[clever sapphire]

Well ye he just sucks in that case

[thorn fjord]

Dmg went brrrrrr

[civic sedge]

ok but i cant tell him that

[clever sapphire]

Tell him to git gud

[oak tangle]

we'd have to see logs tbh

[clever sapphire]

But like 130k on rezan

[oak tangle]

to give any real meaningful criticism

[clever sapphire]

In 3 minute fight

I can say without logs that he messed up the feck out of that fight

Losing in dps on totem guy is totally fine tho

[oak tangle]

i have logged next to zero rezan kills, but at 482, with no lust or pi, slapped 160k

[clever sapphire]

Also depends what build he played i guess

[clever sapphire]

I would guess they pressed bl, if they did rezan before anything else

[oak tangle]

yeah, from memory when ive done a rezan on rip with lust, im 200k+

he probably just needs to get used to the fights, i mean to get 140k or whatever yoou have to have an idea, just work on cd timings, and boss mechanics

[civic sedge]

well this sucks

[civic sedge]

he is 484

and has 1 nick of time

[fallen forge]

can i be YOUR friend

[clever sapphire]

Well cant really help out without any logs

[thorn fjord]

Are you subbed?

[civic sedge]

how does one record logs?

[subtle kiln]

imagine if you had an EV

[oak tangle]

there is a process to it, but once set up it's easy

[gusty mirage]

the new prius has 200hp

[subtle kiln]

easiest way? install raider.io application. it auto records them. then use WCL uploaded

[subtle kiln]

all the tesla charge parks died out here

[oak tangle]

1. download warcraft logs uploader and make an account on the website.
2. go into the connection settings in wow and enable advanced combat logging
3. type /combatlog in chat before you start the key
4. go into the uploader app and throw them up

[vestal wren]

could also use an addon that automatically starts logging

[subtle tundra]

i wish it snowed. 😠

[oak tangle]

yeah i have ERT which does that for me

[civic sedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a68bwYLzGdRFVDqM#fight=22&type=summary

[thorn fjord]

Plenty of stuff does that

ERT

Elvui

[vestal wren]

time to invest into a ski set

[civic sedge]

i found a little bit of an older log

[thorn fjord]

there are weak auras that do it too

[civic sedge]

but should work

[subtle kiln]

sled dogs

[vestal wren]

also great idea

[subtle kiln]

better tax write off

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck is weather, going from autumn to winter to autumn like nothing

[gusty mirage]

also I get dogs

[oak tangle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a68bwYLzGdRFVDqM#fight=22&type=casts&translate=true&start=41173579&end=41302883&view=timeline&source=1400

I've filtered for rezan here, your friend very much likes to overcap combo points it seems inside kb

[subtle kiln]

exactly

[civic sedge]

i dont play assass

does this look sus?

[oak tangle]

very

i mean there is the bones of correct order

but as a fundamental for rogue, of any spec, he's overcapping cp inside big cd

[sonic schooner]

Should shiv after deathmark also

[spice spire]

God they’re so real for that

[thorn fjord]

I'll overcap your cp

[civic sedge]

ok so don't overcap combo points, don't cast that orange ability 4 in a row, should use shiv after deathmark

[spice spire]

Shiving before dm is way less bad than overcapping an envenom

Ambush ambush envenom ambush ambush envenom

[oak tangle]

theres the second kb

same thing, he seems to want to ambush as much as possible forgoing cp

[civic sedge]

what is kb?

[oak tangle]

kingsbane

[civic sedge]

ok i am writing everything down

[oak tangle]

give me a sec i'll find a proper order or an example of it

[spice spire]

The tea after kingsbane pops

[civic sedge]

so he should tea before kingsbane?

[oak tangle]

with 6 seconds to go on it

it's a little finicky

[thorn fjord]

Can use @slate crown weak aura for KB

Will help

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

Should be in the profile I believe

[civic sedge]

KIngsbane timeline?

[oak tangle]

yup

[quiet oar]

How many times have you seen that one

[civic sedge]

anything else what's worthy of mentioning?

or like even if it isn't

[spice spire]

Too many

[civic sedge]

:/

[oak tangle]

this is liekly not perfect, but i think it should give a good idea

[civic sedge]

well, he was kinda sick before new year and this log is from then

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-like-a-log-sleeping-log-gif-7817126525077078656

[civic sedge]

but im sure he still does most of that stuff

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

Have some happy log quake

[oak tangle]

i cloak where i do because that's when the first fear comes out, so you can stay on boss during ramp, he seems to hide when his ramp is primed

[arctic socket]

Quake log review time? AyO

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/log-ren-stimpy-ren-and-stimpy-gif-10446033207196957339

[subtle kiln]

$5

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/log-logan-log-moment-logan-moment-gif-9540859510085633087

@spice spire

[arctic socket]

Huh

[subtle kiln]

he doesn’t need to be doing log reviews for a game he doesn’t play for free

pay the man

[thorn fjord]

Or send nudes

[arctic socket]

He gets paid with kitty pictures

[subtle kiln]

you fucked up your KB window. log review complete.

[quiet oar]

Is this some code for nude

[quiet oar]

or your KB didnt crit

pls 5$

[subtle kiln]

also accurate

make sure you have 34% crit

10$

[oak tangle]

i was in a guild in another game once where the officer group was doing this for carries, needless to say when that became public that guild disbanded

[thorn fjord]

Gross

[oak tangle]

mhm

[civic sedge]

how do u cast mutilate and ambush

at the same time

at 7:15

[oak tangle]

it's a log bug afaik

[subtle kiln]

very carefully with a speed hack

[civic sedge]

so mutilate is before ambush?

[subtle kiln]

just like a fps

[thorn fjord]

Sir that’s against TOS

[oak tangle]

no you would always ambush if it's available

[subtle kiln]

i’m not the one posting logs with tos violations.

[quiet oar]

Well

[arctic socket]

[thorn fjord]

lolol

[civic sedge]

well now my friend won't talk to me cuz he got insulted i called him bad by telling him it's a skill issue and not just DH being op dealing 2x his dmg

[thorn fjord]

Sucks to suck

[civic sedge]

but i saved all the tips

for later

[thorn fjord]

If you're not willing to take constructive criticsm theres nothing that can be done

[arctic socket]

If you take criticism it is a Skrill issue

[civic sedge]

i guess some people are just happy being in their own bubble

and thinkking they're great

he's pushing for 3k rating now

just needs a bit more

[spice spire]

God I should start

[spice spire]

Mutilate has a lot of bugs. If you notice mutilate casts twice at the same time every time. So something went fucky there

[hearty swan]

i've tried to give outlaw a go for a couple of days but i like assassination more ;-;

[spice spire]

Welcome

[hearty swan]

hihi

[oak tangle]

don't leave it's not safe over there

[civic sedge]

wait

if thistle tea has 3 charges

[arctic socket]

Would you charge me quake?

[civic sedge]

why do u only use 1

during the kingsbane window?

[arctic socket]

Welcome to assansion the off topic rogue spec

[thorn fjord]

for the mastery

[civic sedge]

yeah but u can use more of it

so why not

[thorn fjord]

Would be a waste

[civic sedge]

it doesnt cost GCD right

[thorn fjord]

You only want the mastery during KB 2 charges would be enough

But generally you're popping Tea after your second shiv so the tea buff last throughout the rest of KB

[subtle kiln]

you missed the dog picture FYI

[spice spire]

Cat pics

[spice spire]

Mastery bonus is best on the final tick. Otherwise you can refill energy if needed

The main thing needed is the mastery bonus on the final tick tho

[spice spire]

What the

Time to search

[quiet oar]

So i could pay you with dog pics

[spice spire]

Yes

Unironically yes

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

Send you pic of my dog when he was a pup, for the Log reviews

[spice spire]

Bless

[quiet oar]

That was 2 years ago

Time flies

[spice spire]

Damn

George is going to be 9 this year

[near valley]

Send a pic of you as a pup UwU

[quiet oar]

He will do some more years

He will be one of the old ones

[spice spire]

He better die after me

[near valley]

That can be arranged

[quiet oar]

You want him to lose you

and be alone

[spice spire]

Or with me

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

Deal

[near valley]

I want a dog like Clifford

[quiet oar]

[arctic socket]

[oak tangle]

@civic sedge I didn't see anyone say this, but it's a 1 min recharge time on tea, and a 1 min cooldown on kingsbane, so it lines up to where you have 1 charge of tea for each kingsbane

you use the other 2 teas whenever, but always 1 tea with kb

[civic sedge]

i see

give this guy a helper role

he has earned it

who do i need to ping

to tell em?

[oak tangle]

not sure about that XD

[civic sedge]

maybe Ronkley?

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

Nah that’s not how the role works unfortunately

[civic sedge]

but he must receive a reward

[oak tangle]

my ego boost is enough reward

[spice spire]

I mean you can message a shadow and tell them how much you appreciate memz

Or a blade like oxi or something. But it’ll just be a “hey good job”

If you do message a purple recommend shiennar/whispyr/Ronkles since they’re somewhat around this channel

[oak tangle]

just gotta rep the sin spec to the homies, we're under represented in the world

[spice spire]

Amen

[thorn fjord]

games dead

[vestal wren]

would word it diffrent

the game hasn't recovered from SL yet

[oak tangle]

SL had to hold up the dip from BFA and it did not

[vestal wren]

SL lost a lot of people

in a time every game on the planet grow massively in players (due to covid)

reminder of how bad it was

[oak tangle]

i know people hate AP grinds, but i liked them because it gave you some tangible goal each week, without that, i don't have rep with the DF factions

[vestal wren]

i think DF did a lot better

but i am not sure how easy it is for blizz to start growing the game again

[oak tangle]

it did for casual and for more mmo enjoying people, but i've never been a huge fan of the mmo aspects, i'm more of a raid logger

[vestal wren]

Legion was a high point, and BfA still maintained players for the majority

[oak tangle]

it's partly because BFA ended on what could have been a end of story moment

[vestal wren]

and BfA was Blizz chance to get back in the game

after that SL was

and after that DF

[oak tangle]

sorry i meant legion not bfa

[vestal wren]

and now War within

[vestal wren]

possible i think bfa was overall a good xpac, it did feel worse than legion to me

[oak tangle]

BFA was definitely an attempted reboot to horde vs alliance issues

[vestal wren]

we kinda hope for a banger

with war within

after two xpacs of not delivering (perosnal opinion)

[thorn fjord]

@vestal wren I think there’s a lot of hype behind WW

[vestal wren]

it reminds me of prince of persia

[thorn fjord]

They brought the bald guy back for a reason right?

Next wrath incoming

[oak tangle]

i think that people put so much faith in chris metzen, and assume that the "bad" expacs are cause he wasn't there. but i truly wonder how much of that is true

[vestal wren]

btw. just to clearify, i do think DF was a decent xpac

[lusty kraken]

I only hope for class reworks and m+ revamp

[vestal wren]

is metzen back for long enough

[lusty kraken]

I have zero hopes in their storytelling

[thorn fjord]

The way they angled it at blizzcon

Chris is the messiah

[vestal wren]

iirc xpac development is in advanced and possibly takes years

when did metzen come back

[thorn fjord]

They’re really banking on Chris from the looks of it

Shortly before blizzcon

[oak tangle]

i almost bet that chris metzen could be at the company when they put out shadowlands and people would have a more positive reaction to it

[vestal wren]

so lets assume he came back before blizzcon

he has 2 options

either stick with what was already the planed xpac/direction and try to nail that

or throw it in the pin and create something memorable

[thorn fjord]

The narrative was that he’s spearheading these next 3 expansions and focusing on lore and getting the game back to how it felt in its glory days

[vestal wren]

the later would make it a one year (or less) development cycle of a new xpac

what means quite a challange

[thorn fjord]

The timeline was 6 years for the following 3

[oak tangle]

my friends make similar comments on it, about how the story went to shit after he left. but there aint no way that he did not leave them plans for where to take the storty

[thorn fjord]

Let’s see how that goes

[vestal wren]

oh absolutely, only time can tell

[thorn fjord]

I’m just happy we get a break with the fated season

So that WW will feel like a refresh hopefully

[vestal wren]

i am not that positive on fated

[thorn fjord]

Get to not focus on prog and focus on other hobbies for the time being

[oak tangle]

i am personally hoping for some more borrowed power in the game, it is what makes patches interesting to me

[thorn fjord]

Yeah me neither but I know we won’t be raiding like we do during prog

[vestal wren]

i don't mind content downtime

but fated in SL already felt rly bad

and people did move away from the game as a result

[thorn fjord]

For the 3-4 day raiders it’s a nice break

[oak tangle]

people cite their hate for borrowed power / added systems, meanwhile they tout legion as the best xpac, where you had like 5-6 different versions of it

[lusty kraken]

the only thing I didn't like about fated was the raid affixes

[thorn fjord]

But that’s just me

[vestal wren]

DF so far had no big downtime

[lusty kraken]

they were very annoying to play around

[vestal wren]

also given the more "clever" content release shedule

[vestal wren]

its just a missunderstanding of borrowed power

i think SL did show it quite well between 2nd and 3rd season

[thorn fjord]

What’s borrowed power again?

[vestal wren]

basically any system that gvies you only temprary gains

[oak tangle]

stuff that dissapears upon new xpac

[thorn fjord]

Ah ok

[vestal wren]

e.g. legendary items in SL

[oak tangle]

people hated conduits / soulbinds, they hated azerite armour, that sorta thing

[thorn fjord]

Covenant abilities?

[lusty kraken]

tier sets are borrowed power and people don't complain about them

[vestal wren]

covenent abilities yes

[oak tangle]

concordance of the legionfall was the ultimate borrowed power

[vestal wren]

Shadowlands season 2 to 3 transition was rly wild to me

because you had domination gear

that suddenly stopped working

so you would go into a new tier in the middle of the xpac

[thorn fjord]

Yeah the rune shit was interesting

[vestal wren]

and suddenly see a drop in output

[thorn fjord]

But i feel like most people hated the runes

[vestal wren]

"woh, my performance is noticable worse"

^ this is typical between xpacs

[oak tangle]

so was like 14 million dps, to 20k from legion to bfa XD

[vestal wren]

but between tiers its not

what people hated was never borrowed power

but some implementations of it

[oak tangle]

yeah, and sadly it got lumped as a remove as much of it from the game as they can

[vestal wren]

and it became a trend because blizz sadly has the tendency to repeat mistakes

often to a degree, it can feel like they don't learn

[oak tangle]

azerite power grind wasn't crap because it existed, it was crap because it forced you into island spamming

[vestal wren]

this is the fustration that lead to

"borrowed power sucks"

[oak tangle]

i think BFA started the trend because azerite armour was just a shittier tier system

[thorn fjord]

That shit sucked

[vestal wren]

BfA did lay the ground work

[oak tangle]

in theory it gave you more choice, but people didnt want choice

[thorn fjord]

More choice yeah

But the choices were shitty

[vestal wren]

BfA did try to remove clutter from all specs

[thorn fjord]

EP sin was lots of fun tho ngl

[vestal wren]

SL and DF did the opposite, they used this baseline and put a lot of things on top

[oak tangle]

i can see the ties for how azerite armour became soulbinds, which has now become our current talent system

[vestal wren]

BfA was tragic if you liked subtlety

[thorn fjord]

Oh yeah

[vestal wren]

the azerite neck was just a iteration of the artifact weapon

[thorn fjord]

Was only good on Zuul

lol

[vestal wren]

but a failed one in my opinion

[oak tangle]

anyone else want artifact weapons back?

[vestal wren]

azerite armor was tier sets but as more static thing for a xpac

[oak tangle]

i do

[vestal wren]

so you would kind of have the same "tier powers" for the xpac

[oak tangle]

i think artifact weapons would be a great way to stop us living and dying by rng on dropping a decent weapon

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but then it gives you one less thing to play for

Albeit the RNG does suck

[oak tangle]

it would also give you more of a character progression sense, if they was a constant between expacs

something you had to work for over the entire xpac, and they bring out lots of cutomisations for them like the dragon riding thing

craft your own dagger kinda thing. get a gold blade, but a crystal hilt or something

[vestal wren]

some legion systems ended up beeing rly cool

the weapons had so many good layers to them

[oak tangle]

mage tower was a big one. it valued skill and rewarded you for it

[thorn fjord]

Legion was the goat

lets stop beating around the bush

Legion was better than Wrath and BC

[vestal wren]

• the acquisition was a unique quest chain
• ap was a progression system you would empower them over time
• the entire customization section with secret weapon unlocks etc

[oak tangle]

it's so funny though, that people say that, yet from everything i have heard, legendary implementation in early patches was some trash tier

[thorn fjord]

The ONLY thing that sucked with legion was the legendary RNG

but that was fixed too

[vestal wren]

legion had a lot of problems of beeing the first xpac with the new systems

[oak tangle]

i think legion was carried by theme

[vestal wren]

legendary aquisition was a pain

[thorn fjord]

Theme and content

[vestal wren]

that only ended once the xpac was over

[thorn fjord]

Nah it ended S3

When you could farm the Cache's that dropped legendaries

[vestal wren]

if you played actively

you would have all legendary items with Tomb

[thorn fjord]

Then they let you buy leggos S4

[vestal wren]

however, what if you came back at any point

you would need to grind and hope for the correct one to drop

they added a vendor in s4

but in late s4

[spice surge]

I mean ye, but that was like 15 months after it launched

[vestal wren]

so nobody was progressing by that point anymore

basically fixing the system at the very point nobody cares about it anymore

the ap system was also stupid early on

and worldquests

[oak tangle]

i'm just praying that illidan comes back with TWW and gives me back the kingslayers

[vestal wren]

because you would get infinite supply of new worldquests initially

and blizz changed it because some people would go insane

basically, the fear of missing out made them do them nonestop

ap grind to a degree similar, people would spam maw of souls initially

[oak tangle]

cause i'm fed up that some random centaur in ohnaran plains has a green dagger that's better than my golden blades i worked for

[spice surge]

The first few months you were capped at 4 legendaries too, so if you didnt get your 2 bis ones you were fucked

[vestal wren]

techically there was no cap

[spice surge]

They said there was no cap, yet people who played maw of souls all day didnt see one for two+ weeks despite seeing one every week before that

[vestal wren]

the bad luck protection was just completey turned off after 4

so you did stuck with a insanely low chance of ever getting a drop

i think it was mentioned later in a bluepost or update too

[vestal wren]

i got the utility trinity as first 3

got the first useful/decent one in the 3rd raid

i remember to this day how people did tell me i wasn't very graceful because i did not like getting a bad legendary first

[thorn fjord]

Boots were my first leggo

Then i didnt get the fucking shoulders till S3

[vestal wren]

in my guild back then

"bro, you got a legndary, be happy ... you are so stupid"

^ something like this, but a bit more agressive

i got shoulders late into NH

got the boots (which did make subtlety viable) as last legendary, in the transition to ToS

[thorn fjord]

i meant deathstalker boots

[vestal wren]

and in ToS you didn't play them

[thorn fjord]

Those were sin only

i think they were deathstalker?

[spice surge]

Main problem really was that they were very very imbalanced, like on my DH i got the ring for them and it was like 8-10% better than any of the other legendaries

[thorn fjord]

i forget it was the one that would reduce vendetta cd

[spice surge]

Which is very silly

They got better balanced as time went on but still

[vestal wren]

iirc sub boots ended up beeing somewhere in the 15-20% range

[strange python]

Hey guys', sorry to intrude, nor am I sure that this is the right section to ask this question on

I am a primarily warrior player, and because SMF fury build is broken - wanted to check out the next best thing that dual wields one handers - rogue.

Which spec is the one that goes hard with swords and doesn't require stealth?

[vestal wren]

because of the energy bug

[spice spire]

Swords is outlaw

[vestal wren]

outlaw

[raven flower]

"doesn't require stealth" rough

[spice spire]

All require stealth tho. Sub less dependent than the other two.
Tho sin isn’t really dependent either

Outlaw really likes stealths 😛

[quiet oar]

Outlaw uses sword, but needs stealth prob the Most out of all three

[spice spire]

Sin wants it for IC but we have tools that make it palatable for us.
But you’ll have to use stealth abilities all the same

[quiet oar]

If you dont like stealth

[vestal wren]

you are kind of out of luck

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/big-smoke-big-wrong-house-gif-12391029

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs are now designed around using cooldowns to use stealth abilities

a late consequence of a chage in design with shadow dance as a more core rogue spell

instead of only for subtlety

[strange python]

oh i see i see,

but if say i am used to finger breaking apm of fury warrior

which one should i go for?

[vestal wren]

outlaw has 85 apm

its fast paced

[strange python]

sounds fun
all i know is that it used to be called combat

iirc

[vestal wren]

just to have a rough idea how this compars to warrior

[quiet oar]

Ye

[vestal wren]

warrior is on 70 apm on fury and 60 on arms

[strange python]

oh wow that does sound like fun

thanks guys, sorry if its all in wrong channel and whatnot

[spice spire]

It’s fine

[vestal wren]

all fine, if you want to start with the spec i suggest to take a quick look at the #outlaw-faq

[dull cloak]

had someone tell me arms is a high apm spec the other day and I'm just like "interesting"

[raven flower]

if you count pressing ignore pain as an action sure

[vestal wren]

i can spam my buttons on assassinaiton too

making it a high apm spec

[pure moth]

Until you have no energy

[vestal wren]

with a high amount of < you are out of energy > on my screen

[quiet oar]

Fuu

Just put pickpocket in the APL for Sub

so it gets higher

[vestal wren]

think thats not supported by simc

[quiet oar]

fuck

[raven flower]

random feints

[dull cloak]

do arms warrior still macro ignore pain on everything

[woeful meteor]

no

[spice spire]

No that was fixed this patch wasn’t it?

Or was that 10.1.5

[woeful meteor]

I think .2 but not 100% sure

[latent copper]

Is it possible to use effect on cruel dreamcarver if its on offhanf?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[runic hinge]

Just use "detection" while pooling to keep that apm up

[spice spire]

That was actually a tech for one of the shards on Sylvanas

[runic hinge]

I wish I played rogue sooner

Sounds like there was some interesting times

[hard river]

[spice spire]

A rare solo appearance

Huge

[hard river]

simp

[spice spire]

Okay and?

[gusty mirage]

we judging people for simping now?

[spice spire]

What I’m saying dude

Solo just doesn’t want my love

[hard river]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-cat-otter-hug-cat-hug-otter-love-gif-23039408

us

[tulip willow]

What’s the best spec to play for simplicity I’ve tryed outlaw and too much going on

[frank jay]

they all have their own flavor of complexities

sub is CDs

outlaw is all the business

youre probably in the right channel in some ways

[gusty mirage]

he doesn't want any of us to love him

[tulip willow]

You’d so the rotation for Assin is simplier?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Should be us rn

[spice spire]

St rotation for sin is pretty easy. Sequence your CDs well and you’re golden.
Aoe it’s probably the hardest tho

To do correctly

[frank jay]

in some ways, if mechanics mess up a kingsbane window it hurts

same can be said for a dance in sub

[vestal wren]

whats the hardest part?

(not a joke question)

[spice spire]

Spreading your bleeds. Tabbing and kicking is a hard task to do when you’re newer to a class. You used to have complexity on which finisher to use, but it’s pretty cut and dry now.

[vestal wren]

oh so its the sam as with subtlety

[spice spire]

Sort of.
You spread bleeds for damage as sub from my understanding, but for sin it’s also part of your energy economy. So if you Bork it, your damage drops off a cliff

[frank jay]

i find the aoe and cleave much, much easier than sub

[spice spire]

It’s decision making on the fly which isn’t something I recommend a new person

[frank jay]

w/4 set that is

[vestal wren]

for subtelty, before/after cds

you kind of need to guess well how long something survives to spread ruptures

also given that you only spread to a 2nd target

[arctic socket]

Aoe is hard for sin?

You press garrote / rupture if you’re lucky maybe envenom

Fill with Fok

[spice spire]

Fill with what

Caustic spatter bestie

[vestal wren]

are you still fairly energy flooded if you have bleeds out?

or is it now tighter

and you will need a high amount of targets to be energy neutral

[royal lantern]

aoe is hard for sub? you just press shuriken storm and black powder
(dont need to answer fuu, i just wanna make him see how stupid it is)

[gusty mirage]

you never really get energy saturated anymore w/ sanguine blades

[vestal wren]

you forgot to link the gif

[arctic socket]

If you have bleeds out you will never have a energy problem in aoe

[spice spire]

Yeah but getting the correct number of bleeds out > damage phase is also a bit of help. New IC makes it a lot easier but it doesn’t mean I’d recommend it to someone that’s new

[arctic socket]

If you’re energy starved in aoe you’re doing something wrong

[royal lantern]

cant, dont have it saved

[frank jay]

not necessaarily hard at all, but does far less damage in my case

[spice spire]

Honest recommendation is just to learn outlaw st so you can press blade flurry and do their aoe too

[arctic socket]

Based

But true

[vestal wren]

only spec without bleeds

haha

[arctic socket]

Naw

[vestal wren]

but you can't play it if you are over 30

[arctic socket]

Your fingers and eyes are bleeding

[spice spire]

Every spec has their gimmick and outlaw’s is carpal tunnel

[runic hinge]

I'll bork you

[gusty mirage]

hey woah

[arctic socket]

I thought outlaws gimmick was guns

[gusty mirage]

I played it in 9.0

[spice spire]

Dog?

[gusty mirage]

wtf do you want

[spice spire]

I’ll never let you forget

[gusty mirage]

yeah man

[spice spire]

Oh that dog wasn’t to you

[gusty mirage]

sorry for wanting to do damage

[spice spire]

Delayed to tony

[gusty mirage]

fuckin nerd

[royal lantern]

"my gimmick is aoe dotting"

"my gimmick is short duration burst windows that are up frequently with high target count"

"my gimmick is permanent body dmg when you are 29+, but the entire playerbase is 14y olds on their 20th monster energy, so they dont care and say its peak gameplay"

[vestal wren]

did you see the clip/meme around that?

[gusty mirage]

man was one trick doing kyrian hpal damage in 9.0

trying to shame me for playing outlaw

[spice spire]

You started venthyr opinion invalidated bozo

[royal lantern]

i started NF

[arctic socket]

Hpal in 9.0 was fucking cracked

[vestal wren]

9.0 was interessting

[gusty mirage]

venthyr hpal was "fucking cracked"

kyrian not so much

[vestal wren]

people started with NF for subtlety

[spice spire]

Kyrian Prot Pal

[arctic socket]

Venthyr was bis raid healing

[gusty mirage]

yeah sorry I listened to the lies

[vestal wren]

even tho Kyrian was better for the first part of S1

[gusty mirage]

my b

[spice spire]

Yeah you definitely healed the boss if you were a rogue going venthyr

[arctic socket]

For hpal you dimbo

[royal lantern]

lets not act as if there was really a big "Better" covenant at S1 launch

[gusty mirage]

something something covenants only cosmetic

[vestal wren]

it was 1-2% only

[spice spire]

God original flag was… an ability

[arctic socket]

Venthyr definitely had the best cosmetics

[spice spire]

Loss to press it twice

Basado

[gusty mirage]

certainly an ability of all time

[vestal wren]

but we also found out later because of how anima charged cp worked

so initial sims had it like

[arctic socket]

Steptis one shot

[vestal wren]

"pick what you want"

[arctic socket]

Bring it back

[gusty mirage]

ok I gotta go back to covering the even worse blizz game

[arctic socket]

Rumble?

[gusty mirage]

you guys have fun

[vestal wren]

you play wow rumble?

or warcraft 3 reforged?

[gusty mirage]

probably better than actual wow

still better than actual wow

[vestal wren]

ohh

[royal lantern]

D4?

[vestal wren]

you mean heroes of the storm

[arctic socket]

I think he meant hero’s of the storm

[royal lantern]

YOOOOO

[arctic socket]

Sometimes I forget that exist

[spice spire]

No he means d4

Iykyk

[royal lantern]

hots revival when??

[thorn fjord]

Never

[vestal wren]

is there something new in d4 currently?

[spice spire]

S3 inc iirc

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

is D4 good now?

(serious question oxi)

[thorn fjord]

It’s much better

[gusty mirage]

will know for sure tomorrow

[spice spire]

I liked s2

Didn’t get to play it a ton

Unfortunately

[vestal wren]

i am completely clueless what any of it means

[thorn fjord]

Barb stonks

[vestal wren]

i think D4 probably still needs a bit of to be good

[junior yoke]

Assa rogue got 5% buff

[vestal wren]

nice

[thorn fjord]

D4 is a really good couch game

And I love playing it on my steam deck

But if you’re playing on pc it gets stale

[spice spire]

Yeah I enjoyed playing d4 with Val

[vestal wren]

via game streaming?

[gusty mirage]

there's so many extra words in this sentence

But if you’re playing on pc it gets stale

fixed that for you

[royal lantern]

tbh, thats the entire game type for me in general

could never play poe for more then like 1-2 weeks aswell

[thorn fjord]

Yeah using moonlite

I have it natively installed too but it’s not as good

[vestal wren]

oh nice

i wasn't sure if it runs natively on linux

[thorn fjord]

It does using the proton gfx hack thing

We have a guy in the guild that raids off of his steam deck

But he only joins us for heroic

[jaunty dew]

Can you not put toxified armor patch on cloak? 😐

[thorn fjord]

no

has to be leather

[jaunty dew]

fml