assassination

[balmy condor]

or dim non-target nameplates

would maybe try that

[sacred wedge]

Im using a lightly edited version of Luckyoneui plater profile but i think their plates are more suited for ranged classes. they stack too far away, ill edit this specific setting when I get home

[supple kindle]

How does one get aroung energy starvation mid fight on some of the longer bosses?

[balmy condor]

like this

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[gaunt moat]

Take a toilet break, come back when you got energy

[finite dagger]

Which dungeon in your opinion favors assa over outlaw and sub?

[balmy condor]

over outlaw probably none

over sub probably anything where you need to prio constantly

but kinda questionable

[midnight atlas]

sub has prio + funnel also, not as good as assa but funnel is ok

unless you get a dh or bm that pads on every small add

[balmy condor]

yeh but your main prio on sub kills your aoe in the process

not really comparable

[midnight atlas]

im thinking and there's not a dungeon where you can say "assa is the best here", it depends on the group comp. assa is good in all dungeons

[midnight atlas]

if you play for overall its understandable, but for example in brh, at the stairs with the felguards and the bats, as sub its better to funnel them then pad, bats die anyway

[runic hinge]

Right but you also have kb and spatter

so you can funnel as assa too

[midnight atlas]

thats cleave not funnel

[finite dagger]

kinda similar to warlock state, destro is ok, but compared to demonology it lacks power

[balmy condor]

yeh but you get it for free

[runic hinge]

I mean, you can fok envenom and your kb is getting juiced I guess the spatter just makes bats die for free

[midnight atlas]

yeah, you can say fok into envenom at high target counts where crits are more abundent can be considered a small funnel

depends on the pull anyway, there's (i think) 4 or 5 felguards there, you will use probably 1dm +kb and another solo kb

anyway, assa is good on all dungeons, you just have to understand some tanks will not play around your class thats the tilting part but its w/e

[marsh ferry]

Last two seasons you did more prio damage if you did ST rotation over funneling. Is this different with the rework now?

[midnight atlas]

for sub?

[marsh ferry]

I guess there’s no more gloomblade and lingering shadows now

[midnight atlas]

and you are pretty energy + cp starved during downtime

there's not many places where funnel is necessary this season, that was just one example thats not "make or break" the dungeon, you dont HAVE to do it

[woeful meteor]

sub does only dmg during cds and during those you have infinite cp

out of cds funneling is probably more dmg, but everything deals no dmg so it doesnt matter

[dark token]

Also priests PIng havoc over assa

Tilts me

[midnight atlas]

noobs that play for overall

dh kills all the small adds and the big mob lives forever afterwards. but in their monkey brain its more number on the meter so it must be better

in their defence, i received PI as sub during shadowlands in heroic pugs so many times because i was top dps and they wanted to juice me more

so.. people who play priest are not the most informed, but got good intentions

[keen tree]

is DSLICE working for rogues?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[keen tree]

thx

[earnest remnant]

np

[spice spire]

np

[fallen onyx]

guys, shopic dev on both weapons ?

[balmy condor]

sim

typically wafting good

[lucid knoll]

@balmy condor whats your take on this 🤔

sorry for ping tho

[keen spruce]

$10 bucks says he says the same thing i said but meaner

[earnest remnant]

thats not a fair deal

[keen spruce]

only cuzz u don't have $10

[balmy condor]

wait now I need to know what you said

[keen spruce]

racoons don't have pockets

[lucid knoll]

[keen spruce]

for dolalrs

[balmy condor]

well

regardless of what the duck said

don't do that

if we would do that, it would be written somewhere

like a guide

or the pooling command

or ya know

just

anywhere

[dark token]

@sacred wedge

[lucid knoll]

what do we do instead 🤔

[balmy condor]

you let the chain break, pool your energy

and then go again

[keen spruce]

that's what i said

but u weren't more mean

[lucid knoll]

[balmy condor]

sorry

you let the chain break, pool your energy

and then go again

[keen spruce]

now i owe the racoon 10 doll hairs

[balmy condor]

fucking idiot

[keen spruce]

smh

[balmy condor]

better?

[keen spruce]

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[lucid knoll]

[balmy condor]

but like realistically would it kill your damage?

no

it's just more effort for losing 0.1% dps or whatever

big who fucking cares moment

[dark token]

dumbass spriest ping fire mages

it doesnt sync with their cd at all

[dark token]

ct everbloom is stronk

[runic hinge]

What build are you playing without sudden demise

[sacred wedge]

seems like the hybrid build that's listed in wowhead

[balmy condor]

god why did you have to give in to your urges and respond

[runic hinge]

I can’t resist

I didn’t use his call sign so maybe he won’t notice

[balmy condor]

if people keep asking questions when he schizoposts random m+ screenshots he'll think people care

how will he learn

[dark token]

i mean theres nothing else happening in the channel

why not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gilded oasis]

no ct goes hard

[dark token]

sudden demise was only 1.5% dps

[drifting cloud]

are you excited for tuesdays raid

will you finally start to extend

[balmy condor]

no clue

[runic hinge]

Are you a kitty now

[balmy condor]

I'm just waiting room 11.0

[runic hinge]

[gilded oasis]

naw its TW week

[drifting cloud]

you got some wipes ahead of you before 11.0

[sacred wedge]

im scared of assa being bad in 11.0 so im living in the moment

[balmy condor]

that's fine

fyrakk die I can log out

blessed day

[gilded oasis]

did you kill tswift

[balmy condor]

no

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

not even fucking close

lmao

215 pulls, stuck on first platform

cause we're dogshit

[gilded oasis]

nice

[dark token]

nerfs will help a bit

[sacred wedge]

are the tindral nerfs online already?

[balmy condor]

tuesday

[dark token]

i think they are removing the 2nd fire beam cast he does on pull

cause there are only 3 casts in the phase i think

the b2b casts makes sense to remove one

should help a lot

[drifting cloud]

would be weird if its not one of those 2

[balmy condor]

yeh, that's the one they're getting rid of

the beam removed is second set that runs into second roots

[dark token]

seed nerf is actually not that big as i thought they would do, -4 seeds helps but people were very rarely 2x soaking in my raid

we had only like 5/50 seed wipes caused by a 2x soak

i thought they would do 10s seeds or something

[gilded oasis]

get more mormons, professional soakers

[runic hinge]

so just an alt?

[gilded oasis]

Yeah just an alt

[drifting cloud]

bro you are actually on crack

you will be able to run around like an idiot

[dark token]

like its a good nerf

but i thought they would nerf it harder

[drifting cloud]

and -4 is huge wtf thats literally 25% less

[dark token]

maybe im underestimating -4 seeds

[drifting cloud]

40% of the raid doesnt have to soak one now

[dark token]

yeah true but 5s is still kinda tight

i guess with +2 extra people per side helping soak it will feel pretty good

im hoping to call dibs on no flightmode now

[drifting cloud]

the mech should be borderline free now

if you wipe to it its because 1/3 of your raid is asleep

atleast 1/3*

-2 + no tree would have already been pretty good, 4 almost seem excessive

[gusty mirage]

what do you know? its not like you killed fyrakk already or anything

[drifting cloud]

also keep in mind they overlap with so much stuff so it nerfs that aswell

like im planting on a seed and stepping back to boss until the end of time now

[gusty mirage]

-4 actually makes p3 free

its wild

also 1 less flare bomb

lol

[drifting cloud]

flare bomb change is funny but honestly I like it

[gusty mirage]

glad I killed it before it got gutted

[gilded oasis]

gut me

[spice spire]

Don’t steal my shtick dog wtf

[gusty mirage]

[gilded oasis]

[drifting cloud]

they should have gone back to 4 feathers

for the memes

now r300 guilds can get pushed in by fyrakk after they kill tindral next week

[spice spire]

Real

[drifting cloud]

Ive heard people uniornically say tindral is way harder than fyrakk or some shit

yeah maybe the version 2 nerfs ago

its definetly not a fun boss to prog if a big portion of your raid is doing the silly every pull tho

[dark token]

it is way harder

first night of fyrakk im hard chilling

[royal lantern]

wow players not making a drama about nerfs all the time challange (impossible)

[dark token]

CONGRATULATIONS (razsageth was harder on 10.0) on the RAZSAGETH MYTHIC (it was harder in 10.0) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (raszageth used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (raszageth used to have more hp) achieved your goal of completion. I know yo

[drifting cloud]

we can reasses after youve put in another 100 wipes

[dark token]

havent hit p3 yet

but both p1/p2 are chill

[drifting cloud]

yeah if youre still lusting p2 is chill

[dark token]

i think we might lack colossus dmg if we move lust

we have 2x unholy dk

[drifting cloud]

but in 50+ wipes youre still gonna have wipes in intermission or fucking up cages

[dark token]

and they are wet noodles

your guild did really well this tier tho, nice prog

how do you guys do splits on 2 nights

[royal lantern]

watching people that still die quiet often to p1 beams cry in guild discord about "omg boss is free now kill not worth any more gg dmg dummy" is just hilarious

YOU are 1of the reasons that the boss is not done yet

[peak crescent]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[drifting cloud]

dunno, just go fast in those 8h

it was first time doing it, and was optional

[dark token]

ye i just dunno how to fit into raid time and still get mythic prog, assuming u did 2x normal 2x heroic clears

even if you blast everything with no wipes thats like 6h

[drifting cloud]

that sounds about right

we didnt kill council week1 because of splits but definetly worth

[dark token]

but yeah the tindral/fyrakk prog was impressively low wipes

we did ok on tindral but fyrakk is going rough, p1 is way easy and people keep fucking up

like 2x p1 wipes that should be there

[drifting cloud]

yeah thats what I mean, you guys are still really good

imagine a guild that has tindral on like 30%, they prob kill next week

they will struggle in p1 fyrakk

and intermission is cringe

[dark token]

yeah post nerf i think fyrakk will be harder for those guilds

we just have so much WA bullshit problems in intermission

they need to stop this private aura stuff

its same as echo

[drifting cloud]

whats the default wa people use?

ours is like only press if youre orange

[dark token]

yeah same

that one

northern sky

problem is some people had like an older version or something

it was causing issues until we forced everyone to reinstall

[drifting cloud]

macro can also just bug out

where if you put it on your bars again it then suddenly works

[dark token]

and yeah macro someone presses wrong or just idk doesnt work

or i got dc mid raid night

and my macro disappeared

didnt notice

[drifting cloud]

yeah thats a classic

update wa before raid get dcd

everything gone

[atomic willow]

ST Sims are saying to gem Vers/Crit for a slight increase, would that have any big drawback in an AoE setting or are my stats just weighted to a point where it's liking the vers for some reason?

[balmy condor]

the latter

[atomic willow]

Roger that

for reference

[balmy condor]

yeh those numbers don't mean shit

[atomic willow]

LOL

kk

[balmy condor]

sim knows

[atomic willow]

true

[drifting cloud]

makes sense when I compare them to mine

if youre using branch

but sometimes gems sims are just 0.1% dps gain memes

[atomic willow]

yeah branch/sandglass atm in 4 min

signet brand/branch in longer stuff

yeah i'm questioning like 700dps at the end of the day

[drifting cloud]

hey I mean thats decent

thats almost a socket for just swapping some gems around

[atomic willow]

yeah good call

[drifting cloud]

or like 2/3 of a socket I guess

[atomic willow]

back to Fall purgatory i go now

[drifting cloud]

branch just does weird stuff to our mastery

[devout mirage]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic socket]

Not enouh haste

need 218%

[waxen oyster]

surprised sin s1 has as many votes as s2

[balmy condor]

Given how hard season 3 is gapping

I’m gonna say….

7?

[waxen oyster]

yeah but s1 was prob the least interesting

s3 is gapping for all 3 specs

[runic hinge]

Flat damage increase is good for people who don’t wanna play around pooling and evenom chain

Would be maybe a little interesting if we played around sanguine blades more if we had s1 back

[waxen oyster]

sin is basically a pool spec

[runic hinge]

Which would be even more pooling

[waxen oyster]

i feel sin has always had envenom buff maintenance

[runic hinge]

Season 1 and 2 it was basically 95% uptime

No pooling involved

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean to me s1 sin felt like

a million mini cds

that barely did anything

[runic hinge]

Exsang

45 second and then 3 minutes lol

[waxen oyster]

i've always felt sin has had downtime and pooling

in older iterations

[runic hinge]

I just started maining rogue in DF but feral had pooling forever

[waxen oyster]

agonizing poison was the worst

idk sin has always been the "slow" spec

[pseudo hamlet]

Are we using CT during the SD window on the big pulls?

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pseudo hamlet]

Is the timestrike "bugged"? Whenever someone with it dies and I change the target it does damage to it, even if it's kinda far away.

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Don't think so

[limber lion]

Well not always

[limber lion]

It has never had that before

It legitimately did not matter at all previously

This is the first patch where you have to track Envenom. Every patch before this the past 10 years it's just been a passive effect that happens on its own.

[jade abyss]

I like ut even when i suck sometimes on it

[sage junco]

Hey, i just boosted my rogue with the boost i got from my preorder and im not sure what spec to go. Would assassination be a good spec for a first time rouge? ( For PVE, mostly M+ )

[balmy condor]

They’re all good

Play what interests you the most

[junior yoke]

assa is fun and has good dmg, but if u asking THE BEST mplus spec is outlaw

I don't play outlaw cause I don't like it btw

[sage junco]

What would be the most easy spec to get into?

[normal mist]

I find assa extremely easy to learn right now, and outlaw right after, but both specs are played extremely diferently

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15401812

this is assa doing dps between cds

https://tenor.com/view/fast-running-gif-27100967

this is outlaw... 95% of the time

(didnt play sub this season, cant give feedback)

[sacred wedge]

outlaw is very consistent and pretty strong in m+ right now, but i did not enjoy the playstyle. too fast

[normal mist]

Maybe Nicholas could GIVE me 30k instead of teaching me how to do it

I'm kinda lazy honestly

[quiet oar]

Is this the personified TIme Daggerß

[winged sun]

he has timestrike enabled

10% profit for him

[junior yoke]

😦

[near osprey]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[muted cloak]

Are there any YouTube vids with commentary or other resources that people can recommend? Feel like I'm constantly under performing and would like to get better.

Have read all the guides and watched whispyr's stuff

[keen relic]

Whats the best rogue spec in classic wow

[quartz snow]

Does sim always right ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mVYxjHziqMYJUKTh3vN6rE

[midnight atlas]

#classic-discussion, depends what content, what version of classic (era/wotlk/sod)

[keen relic]

SOD

Do you know the best rogue spec for sod

[normal mist]

Same goes for SoD

Use the classic channel

[midnight atlas]

with a question this vague you wont get an answer anywhere

[clever sapphire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[misty holly]

Can you get Mutilate yet?

[oak tangle]

the best rogue spec in sod is dps

[sweet dawn]

Could you use brand on all bosses in raid except like... council? and just swap it out for pips?

[junior yoke]

My favourite number is red

[cerulean walrus]

For Sanctum of Domination? Mans time traveling

[dark token]

its vice versa

u want brand on council

or any long fight

u dont want it on 3 mins volcoross

[pseudo hamlet]

According to archon.gg most popular trinket combination for all the bosses up to Nymue is Branch+Sandglass(Branch+Brand is second)
on Smolderon, Tindral and Fyrakk it's Brand + Branch or Brand + Ashes

[sweet dawn]

ty guys

[storm forum]

Does brand not drop when flying on tindral?

[dark token]

it shouldnt

but sometimes it bugs and does

i wouldnt use it on this boss if u have something better

[storm forum]

Huh

[dark token]

my brand dmg on our kill

xD

next time i go 2x onuse

but thats a sub thing

[storm forum]

Oof

[gusty mirage]

It’s not a bug

[dark token]

see my stacks drop

when i dragonride

[gusty mirage]

Your rupture applied a stack while he was flying and that’s why it didn’t drop sometimes

Or you procced it right as he was flying

[dark token]

mailman has a mythic trinket

my heroic one did more dmg

its just rng af

[thorny onyx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

i think its still better t han most trinkets but its worse than the fight would indicate

[storm forum]

Ok so if we wanna try to highroll on our DoTs applying stacks

Brand is good

[gusty mirage]

Brand is just bad for tindral

Cause if you drop stacks it fucks your damage

[dark token]

ye

[tall jay]

So what trinkets should we be using

I have a bunch of them at 476 lol

[storm forum]

pips and sandglass are pretty safe

[tall jay]

Ok

[storm forum]

sandglass has been simming really high for me cause my haste is low

[tall jay]

I have a 8/8 champion branch

[storm forum]

must be nice

some of us dont have branches

[tall jay]

😦

I’m sorry wasn’t trying to gloat 😦

[storm forum]

its okay im just joking

[static glacier]

pray for ashes

don't touch branch, it's cursed

[storm forum]

i got heroic ashes week 1 it was pretty pog

[static glacier]

i've got myth branch atm, never got a single ashes

[storm forum]

not getting branch is punishment or something

[tall jay]

Ashes is the one that looks like a fire dot right

[gusty mirage]

Ye

[tall jay]

Do we want haste? Cause I think I have like 4% lol I know I know sim it lol

[lean portal]

yeah around 20% i think

15-25 sim will tell you

but 4 is low

[tall jay]

Oh sh…

Hang on let me see actually

Ok, I lied, I guess I logged out in sub spec, but it’s 11% there

[spice surge]

No, thats just when it gets to 5 stacks and starts doing damage to you

[lean portal]

thats my biggest problem from playing sub and assa

stats are not rly matching

i play sub with 12% haste lol

its not terrible but meh

[tall jay]

I’m 483 so, I need more crests lol I am@4/6 heroic on all gear mi yes tier where I am 489 lol. And should we be using the engineering helm yet

Or does it even matter at this point

[past forum]

Idk the more I look at sims to see where I can have the best ratio of gain/loss while multi-speccing the more I realize that maybe stat weights aren’t real

[mellow heart]

so i came back for rework . i'm geared to the teeth finally, but it seems i'd be way better off as outlaw for high mythic + and sub for raid lol

[spice surge]

Definitely not "way better"

[lean portal]

its just micro optimisation anyways

[dark token]

outlaw is better in m+ yes but only matters when u hit30

cause it can just live some stuff sin cant

[royal lantern]

when you do 30s you dont live anymore

[languid moth]

random one for the team, seeing wayyyy more ashes being played on last 3 in mythic over branch, is there a particular reason for it? Is it because it is more likely to proc as well? Seems like branch should still be a lot better for DM since you have the insane mastery from branch at the end of KB/DM vs ashes that ramps down from the beginning of DM

[royal lantern]

branch sucks to play on tindral and fyrakk

[languid moth]

from the collecting orbs perspective?

[gusty mirage]

there's a ton of movement

so it makes collecting orbs kind of a pain in the ass

[languid moth]

mmmmmm got it, makes sense

i passed up a mythic one this week which was pretty lit

[dark token]

also for tindral specifically, ashes is more dmg in the sheild window

branches has slightly less spikier profile

[green juniper]

my chat still working but game freezing I am so mad cant play

[final star]

thank god the shiled damage matters

[royal lantern]

man

im using a normal one

didnt even get heroic yet

[ebon notch]

ok shill

[spice spire]

Silence hpal main

[ebon notch]

im retiring the pala

[spice spire]

You should retire you washed mf

[royal lantern]

the good ending

[ebon notch]

says u

im gonna come back and hit rank 1 rogue world again

[gusty mirage]

lmao quake out here log reviewing on his ipod nano

hasn't logged in in like 4 months

and telling other people to retire

calling them washed

WOOOWEEE

[royal lantern]

he saw the light

not play wow anymore

[gusty mirage]

true

[royal lantern]

he knows the freedom it gives you

[gusty mirage]

mfer works like 835 hours a week now

he just found another prison

[quiet oar]

WoW a Prison ???

No way

[spice spire]

No

I work 40

[snow sinew]

i think he means Torghast

[spice spire]

I’m just spending time on myself instead of WoW.
Love you tho xoxo

[gusty mirage]

in what world do you count working 8-8 5 days a week as 40 hours

[spice spire]

I don’t do that anymore

[gusty mirage]

yeah and I have self esteem

[spice spire]

I clocked out Friday after being there two hours

[gusty mirage]

mfer lying to himself

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

Its really insane how WoW Effects you

[spice spire]

Nah break up is insane how it effects you

[quiet oar]

Not you especially

i mean a person in general

[royal lantern]

eh, only if you let it affect you

like man, i dont give a single fuck about m+, so it doesnt eat my freetime and shit like that

[quiet oar]

But yeah, thats prob also not a good time

Hope everything is good

[quiet oar]

I have too many alts

[royal lantern]

man

my character list has 1 name

[gusty mirage]

so true bestie

[quiet oar]

I ahve like 6 alts atm

[gusty mirage]

did you get to the point where you couldn't eat for 2 weeks?

that was pretty sick

[spice spire]

Yeah

That was November

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Here I just kill myself when I work out

[royal lantern]

emotional problems doing great stuff, ngl

[gusty mirage]

I love it when people tell me that I should "get back to where I was then"

and not realize the underlying cause of why I got that low in weight

[quiet oar]

People telling you "You should eat more"

[royal lantern]

"just dont be sad"

[quiet oar]

"Have you tried being happy?"

[rotund oak]

i was exactly the opposite,was overweight

woke up a day and start running

thats it,alone

didnt listen to anyone or anything

[spice spire]

Yeah exactly.

[quiet oar]

I stopped with that when i began WoW

again

[spice spire]

Point is to be where you’re happy and healthy, king

[spice spire]

That’s your ideal. And you’ll get there

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

first part aint happenin chief

[spice spire]

It eventually will.
For both of us

[runic hinge]

Maybe when you’re finally together living in a cabin in the woods. In a platonic relationship just existing together

[rotund oak]

it can happen,i was very depressed with sht,working for no savings a hard work n stuff.It will sound stupid but running made me happier man

[gusty mirage]

yea I just started getting back in the gym 3.5 months ago

and that's the one thing I look forward to every day

[rotund oak]

keep fighting my man,all in good time 🔥

[quiet oar]

What helped me, when i was in a bad palce, was actually writing Diary

To see what "good" things hapen

[sacred wedge]

a friend of mine is pro-diary, seems interesting, at the very least it helps your memory

to process the day etc

[quiet oar]

ye

[royal lantern]

swollxi inc

[hollow vector]

!log review

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[hollow vector]

What’s the review command?

[spice spire]

Just rawdog one

[hollow vector]

Rewdog link it?

[dark token]

pala is fun but historically 0 attention from blizz

its like playing WW

both awesome specs but yeah

[hollow vector]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CK3TwDg7QjZpRyq9#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=49

Can’t figure out why im ass^

[lean portal]

77 without pi looks cool

[balmy condor]

without windfury even

idk

doesn't seem like an issue to me

[hollow vector]

Well coming from you I’ll take it

[balmy condor]

when your wafting looks like this and you're missing 20k worth of raid buff/externals

[hollow vector]

I had to sim so much stuff these last few days

[spice spire]

Missed the penultimate tick of your final kb unlucky

[balmy condor]

what missed

[spice spire]

Crit

Literally forgot to type crit

[gusty mirage]

you literally forget that you're a bozo, bozo

[spice spire]

Never have forgotten

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[spice spire]

I know

[nimble zinc]

hi all, I'm fairly new to assassination rogue, after maining monk (mistweaver) and various tanks and other dps like mage and hunter.

Does anyone have recommended guides, talents, builds, etc. for assassination rogue in 10.2?

[normal mist]

Wowhead

[nimble zinc]

I referenced subcreation for raid/ST and keys/AOE, but i'm not sure if those are the gold standard or not

[normal mist]

Just wowhead

its up to date

with trustworthy info

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

Besides that, you can also check Whispyr's channel

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793

Everything you need is in both the wowhead guide and in the youtube channel from the write guider himself

[balmy condor]

"I referenced subcreation" might as well just be a slur at this point

[nimble zinc]

oh hi! i just subscribed to your channel 🙂

[normal mist]

xD

[balmy condor]

thank you

next thing to do

is not use that dogshit ass website

we'll play a little game

this is subcreation's talent builds for the raid

now you tell me

which one of these is used in single target, cleave fights, and council

and be aware that you are entirely walking into a trick question and will fail

[normal mist]

xD

[balmy condor]

(the best single target tree isn't on that list)

[normal mist]

He's still trying to figure it out

wait for real?

[balmy condor]

yeah lmao

the only build taking tight spender is a caustic build

that's the cleave one

second to last

[normal mist]

is subcreation a website that just gathers data from... somewhere and goes like "most people use this" so you should aswell?

[balmy condor]

and then the third build is on council

[balmy condor]

correct

it just consumes endless warcraftlogs data

and then regurgitates it

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[balmy condor]

u.gg and even archon do the same thing

and they're all dogshit

lmao

archon is the least dogshit

but like

if I gave you a sandwich with 5 layers of shit

vs 3 layers of shit

you'd still complain that I handed you a sandwich with shit on it

[normal mist]

I'd go with a salad that day

[desert inlet]

can I get turkey instead of shit on mine?

[balmy condor]

the problem with popularity things is that people very quickly will jump to "oh that means better, more people are doing it"

like this is archon's gear list

and it looks fine enough

but you start to realize

that's a lot of crafted gear

and wait a minute, that's an m+ cape

are they the most popular? sure

if you're a new rogue it might even be good to craft a fuck ton of slots

[spice spire]

No

[desert inlet]

:/

[balmy condor]

but it's pretty questionable for most other things

[normal mist]

boots/belt/wrists and a ring are actually alright to craft if you got nothing better at this point

[desert inlet]

I'll just do soup then I guess

[balmy condor]

also imp ambush

pog

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-cat-eating-cat-bow-tie-cat-crunch-emote-gif-3331174923798145954

[balmy condor]

I like the dps number at the top

[desert inlet]

I love u crunchy cat

[balmy condor]

I assume that's just spitting out the overall

[bright cipher]

i had a bigger hate to subcreation in the past, still don't like when people treat it as the bible

[balmy condor]

[bright cipher]

but i find it sometimes is userfull

[royal lantern]

you can hear it

[balmy condor]

I have not been able to get a use out of it once

since its been a thing

it's so fucking pointless

what am I gonna do with it

[royal lantern]

you donna do 254k dps

[balmy condor]

"oh throne is a hard dungeon and black rook hold isnt"

interesting

very cool

oh havoc is s tier/

[desert inlet]

[balmy condor]

how weird

[royal lantern]

meanwhile BRH endboss on tyranical:

[balmy condor]

what an unexpected turn of events

[desert inlet]

last boss is easy you just cloak the thing and vanish the bugs onto someone else

[balmy condor]

the only thing subcreation is good for

is pepelaughing

the fucking idiot with the spore shoulders

[royal lantern]

the casts you cant see who they target?

[desert inlet]

Can't be on you if you vanish

[pale tiger]

simply cloak every random shadowbolt in p1 yes

it is that easy

[subtle tundra]

youre just mad he is a free thinker

[bright cipher]

i use it to have quick acess to some information in logs without needing to dig a lot.

[balmy condor]

name an example

what information

[desert inlet]

Weren't the spore shoulders gonna be good in like beta or something

[spice spire]

Lorrgs sound like it

[desert inlet]

Maybe that was the last time they got info

[balmy condor]

yeah but then the shoulders were actually bugged

and lost like a third of their value

[bright cipher]

For exemple, i recently looked for logs who used shadowy inspiration to see if the talent was properly implemented on sims, quickest way to find them was just clicking a link on subcreation and boom https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z1pLbwA9t4XdVvrz#fight=9

but it does enforce some bad things like

https://i.imgur.com/VxIgxAy.png self fulfilling profecies

lariat isn't the best embelishment, but because its used by one of the more skilled keypushers, it becomes "oh its the best embelishment"

making it more and more popular

[balmy condor]

so at best it's a webpage that speeds up you searching for a log to check for simc implementation as a theorycrafter by a minute or two

and at worst it's misleading thousands of people

good trade to me

[bright cipher]

basically its how i use it but of course i am aware of the garbage in/garbage out of it

while someone who is unaware will just look at that and craft lariat

and if questioned they will just say "its the best because the highest key is being pushed on it"

[royal lantern]

the hilarious thing there is, high keys<--------------------> "optimal" play for most peeps

high keys is so extremely heavy based on the other 4 players, the dungeon itself, how you play and on survivalbility

[bright cipher]

https://i.imgur.com/EmGqS9t.png this here is a sin

[bright cipher]

also like, embelishments are so weak right now, they represent such small difference between one and the other than you can have people who time 30's time with or without the best of them

^ that screenshot is literally the worst embelishment current in the game, who offer almost no damage gain (worse than a gem rly) and almost no survivability (its shield is what 10% of the max hp of a warlock?) and some uninformed person is pushing it to a 28

[royal lantern]

keys are not serious content

[bright cipher]

now, i still hate, like RLY HATE https://i.imgur.com/kfaOPO0.png their tierlists @balmy condor

[lean portal]

doesnt look that wrong

demo to A maybe

[bright cipher]

the thing isn't that its wrong, but it terribly warps perspectives because categorizing classes/specs in letters is a terrible method of conveying information

[royal lantern]

its a tierlist, its wrong by default

[lean portal]

true yeah

[royal lantern]

the only tierlist that is not 238% trash, is the one fuu made once

[sacred wedge]

specially if it goes from S to F

[lean portal]

tierlists are shit but since they rly want to do one

[bright cipher]

then you have someone denying an 488 affliction with 3.4k IO from a 20 because he is F tier

[sacred wedge]

game is not that imbalanced

[lean portal]

worse things couldve happend

[lean portal]

affli could be in K or L

[bright cipher]

what is F, what is S? how much is the difference between S and F? what is the sucess rate of S tiers in +20's on average, and F tiers?

nothing of this is shown, what is shown is "S tier = GOOD F Tier = Total garbage"

[sacred wedge]

stuff like this is actual misinformation that makes the game less fun

[lean portal]

its the concept of a tierlist

but i agree its bad on wow

[orchid haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bright cipher]

and because its partially popularity based i am not even going on the idea that it enforces the weaker specs to become even less popular, who leads it to become even more biased towards being at the bottom

[runic hinge]

is that the alphabetical one

[robust axle]

Wait whats the Blind DR talent called? The one you use on Tindral

[royal lantern]

yes

wrong guy replied

thanks discord

@runic hinge yes

[royal lantern]

blackjack...?

[runic hinge]

I need to find that

[leaden cypress]

does feint work on waves on smolderon? (no elusivenes)

[royal lantern]

yes

but if you can react to a wave hitting you with feint

you could also just, well, not get hit cus you saw it comming?

[leaden cypress]

i mean, i try dodge but i can use feint to be safe

if i fail

[royal lantern]

ye sure, that works

[quiet oar]

Its more about Feinting for tankslam

and getting less dmg from wave

[plain onyx]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[keen spruce]

smold down

[shy pecan]

Did you get one?

[keen spruce]

[shy pecan]

Grats yo

[keen spruce]

our GM had a normal signet still

and he's an arms warrior

so he gettin that

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-disco-duck-gif-22815289

and man

i have a normal ashes

[keen spruce]

i love getting 30k yoinked off details

when the log gets posted

nice ebon might

[gilded oasis]

kinda rude that guy took all the loot tho

[runic hinge]

I need both

pls and ty

[spice spire]

True

[runic hinge]

for my heroic raid and weekly 20s

[vestal wren]

cograts

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-gif-27687064

[royal lantern]

you know the best thing funny duck man?

you dont need to prog current tindral

[nimble zinc]

is it better to do 2x sophic, 2x wafting or 1 sophic and 1 wafting?

[royal lantern]

sim

different for everyone

[spice spire]

There’s no fucking way

You highrolled

Both

[royal lantern]

mate

shmeeps always highrools

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[royal lantern]

like

every time

[earnest remnant]

highdrools

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

I would like your thoughts on the instagram reel I sent you this morning

[earnest remnant]

pretty accurate depiction of what im doing right now

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

our priest missed my 2nd PI cuz she was gettin yelled at by the raid lead

[shy pecan]

smh my head

[bleak plume]

does kingsbane get buffed from the Fatal Concoction talent - +10% damage to weapon poisons?

[royal lantern]

why do you get Pi

[keen spruce]

cuz one of our hunters plays MM

[royal lantern]

chad

like

[keen spruce]

and the other one is always dead

[royal lantern]

actually personification of a gigachad

if MM could use pets

[keen spruce]

and we have like 3 priests normally

[royal lantern]

best hunter spec by default

[keen spruce]

so UHDK gets one on pull

i think maybe hunter or warlock gets one

then i get one

assa still 3rd best pi target

[royal lantern]

man

you know how wow players work

3rd best might aswell be "actually garbage, get spit on for even mentioning it"

[keen spruce]

I am trusty rogue

my guild has has recruited like 6 or 7 rogues this xpac

and i'm the only one left

[royal lantern]

turns out

FotM rollers are not that great for longterm raidspots

on a class that is unpopular

[keen spruce]

they had 2 in vault that were gone before i joined

the one i got recruited with left halfway through aberrus

[dark token]

is rogue unpopular

[keen spruce]

we got another one after getting CE

[royal lantern]

yes?

[keen spruce]

he didn't make it to amir

another one we recruited before this tier ended up going aug

[royal lantern]

its always 1 of the least played classes since vanilla wow sovi lol

like

[keen spruce]

then another has only come to like

2 raids

[royal lantern]

bottom 3 always where rogue/warlock/priest

[keen spruce]

ye rogue very under represented

[royal lantern]

with monk it became rogue/warlock/monk

[final star]

!cds

[spice spire]

yeah how about you see deez nuts bozo

[final star]

[pseudo hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

!dust

[royal lantern]

!statss

[ember mural]

!bis

[shy pecan]

!quakeisabitch

[runic hinge]

!spaghetti

[shy pecan]

!momspaghetti

[spice spire]

Fk u

[shy pecan]

[ember mural]

[royal lantern]

simpler times

[keen spruce]

!quake

[spice spire]

Real

[runic hinge]

Can we make it real

[spice spire]

Sorry king I’m dead inside

[quiet oar]

!quakelogreview

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Girthy bastard eh? 8.4/10 classic

[ember mural]

[shy pecan]

[quiet oar]

Pog

8.4 is enough for me

The loggers emote is whispyr discord right

[keen spruce]

ye

[spice spire]

[junior yoke]

I finally toped my first +20

omg

[royal lantern]

shmeeps after getting smoldy down

[quiet oar]

I mean smolderon pulverizes to ashes

Right

[keen spruce]

that's me gettin my wep enchants ready

[gaunt moat]

you got smolderon? grats!

[bleak sun]

we pumpin

[gaunt moat]

Not even using latest version of the WA

[bleak sun]

oh u updated it ?

[keen spruce]

u know i don't like updating things

[gaunt moat]

i meant mirthiye

you i have given up on. you have no appreciation to the hours i put into it

[keen spruce]

I commiserated with your struggles fixing it

[bleak sun]

done my dear i've update wa

[runic hinge]

Shmeeps is a dirty OL fotm reroller

[keen spruce]

yeah but I 0 parse

[gaunt moat]

true, should be banned from this channel

[keen spruce]

so am i really a pirate

[gaunt moat]

he's no true sin

[quaint condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[keen spruce]

i just wanna time keys

[gaunt moat]

so you got smolderon?

[keen spruce]

yes on assas

[gaunt moat]

you got proof?

[keen spruce]

under much pressure from our grey parsing aug evoker to switch

[gaunt moat]

If he thinks the difference between killing it or not is you playing sin or sub, he's delusional.

[keen spruce]

nah we knew it didn't matter

we were getting like low single digit pulls with 3-4 people dead

[gaunt moat]

How how did you KB went on 3rd intermission?

[keen spruce]

uhh lemmy cehck

pretty gud

I think i fked up my orbs

cuz my last tick

is a little flacid

actually idk

subterfuge and orbs were fine

[gaunt moat]

9m KB
:feelgoodman:

[keen spruce]

my sophic

[storm forum]

fml i updated and now my max is reset

[spice spire]

You

Never get to complain

[gaunt moat]

Today on kill mine's did only 7.4m

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

how do you add graphs on top of eachother like that? i forgot

nvm

[keen spruce]

"you should play sub"

[gaunt moat]

You guys getting buffs?

[earnest remnant]

You should’ve

[keen spruce]

barely lined up with CDs

never lucky

[gaunt moat]

sophic litteraly lined up with every CD

[spice spire]

I will hit filter

[shy pecan]

smh my head

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

yeah but

see how unlucky

literally unluckiest rogue

in ravenholdt

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-necro-skull-trooper-colt-general-low-tier-god-skull-trooper-gif-26079010

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce dont make me click

[keen spruce]

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

Ur a what enjoyer in ur bio

[storm belfry]

I hate to say it, and I may be shamed upon, but I do not like current sin in keyge

[balmy condor]

Banned

[storm belfry]

But I do miss you guys

Idk what it is Whisp

[spice spire]

You changed

[balmy condor]

Jdotb to the dome

[storm belfry]

I think I’ve just converted to range idk. But I just don’t know

I haven’t even been healing keys really

[spice spire]

I wish you’d dome me

[storm belfry]

I been healing raid. Boomie keyge

[storm belfry]

I’ve wanted that for years

Real

[balmy condor]

Oh so you’re the worst

[crisp pine]

Same

[storm belfry]

No

If I was the worst

[spice spire]

Cyon actually on the Han list

[storm belfry]

I’d be a fire mage or Aug

[balmy condor]

Orange is the enemy

[spice spire]

I’m not even surprised anymore

I thought I knew u

[storm belfry]

You knew what I was when I came back!

I was an rdruid

[balmy condor]

Yeah, emphasis on the r-buddy

[storm belfry]

Rank 15 btw healer logs kek

[earnest remnant]

shouldve been sub, wouldnt have had this issue

[storm belfry]

Idk maybe I played a cringe build

I lost the build oxi gave me

[crisp pine]

I converted to playing+5 keys only
Sudden demise makes me feel things

[spice spire]

I converted to retirement

[storm belfry]

@gusty mirage sup boo

He will ban me surely

[gusty mirage]

I missed you

[storm belfry]

I miss you

[spice spire]

I miss you as well king

[storm belfry]

So the move is vote for season 2

[storm belfry]

[keen spruce]

but that would require me to learn sub first

[balmy condor]

Good luck with that

[keen spruce]

and boss was dead either way

[storm belfry]

What’s winning brother

[balmy condor]

Season 3 by like a solid 2:1 ratio

[storm belfry]

Sheesh

[balmy condor]

Think it was like close to 60% when i checked

[storm belfry]

Is that what you want?

[balmy condor]

I don’t care what happens I’m not playing fated lmao

[storm belfry]

Based

[spice surge]

Clearly the thing assa players want is damage after your cds has ended

[earnest remnant]

wouldve been more deader

[storm belfry]

[crisp pine]

Honestly?
Yea kinda

[earnest remnant]

[spice surge]

You really want more damage for 30s after deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Soviet saw “crimson tempest” in green letters

What can you do

[spice surge]

Alright

[crisp pine]

No, I just don't wanna do 0 damage outside cds

And inside cds cause I'm ass tbf

[keen spruce]

but idk how to play sub

I woulda been flappin around like a tit

in a stiff breeze

[earnest remnant]

probably still more dmg than assa

[keen spruce]

tru

[proper gulch]

Thoughts on addons like Hekili?

[keen spruce]

bad

fat and ugly

and stinky

[proper gulch]

Awesome, thank you for answering

[wheat nest]

Albeit, I only started on Dec 9th, but I use it as a reminder for some CDs and when I can cast Ambush. Not ideal, as I am sure my WA tells me, but I am just use to where it is.

Definitely recommend understanding the class and abilitys over following Hekili as you'll be missing out on some dammy

[storm belfry]

Real

[subtle gyro]

So, someone tell me, that multistrike stat on the dagger...is that for auto attack dmg, dot ticks or what? Sorry if its been covered or posted somewhere. 🙂

[cerulean walrus]

Dog water

[storm forum]

it's for everything

[fringe ether]

what is the best spec for Tindral M?

[spice spire]

Sub

[earnest remnant]

[fringe ether]

what if I can play only sin or outlaw? 🙂

[shy pecan]

Then just play sin or outlaw?

[woeful meteor]

Sin, post nerf law seems a lot more viable tho

[fringe ether]

but what is better?

[earnest remnant]

just play Assa

[fringe ether]

aight, thanks for the response

[winged sun]

Outlaw won’t work on tindral

[fringe ether]

is it worth to switch to outlaw for add dmg?

[woeful meteor]

no

[winged sun]

Unless u dont do feathers than u might compete being top 3

[woeful meteor]

target capped

[desert inlet]

simply spatter them

[fringe ether]

got ya, thanks pals

[rare jackal]

!燃烧德鲁伊 BIRD IN AIR, OWLMAN ON FLOOR 躲避强光 DODGE BRIGHT LIGHT 收集种子 VACUUM 1 FOREST PLANT 驱散远程 HEAL 1234 飞行员蝇根 HONORABLE PILOTS 浸泡蓝球 FLAP DRUIDCUM 牧师的自由 AMERICAN PRIESTS

[storm forum]

????

[spice spire]

[storm forum]

wait

is this a tindral copy pasta?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[keen spruce]

outlaw pretty scuffed

for tindral

[storm forum]

Wowee

[dark token]

With nerf it's ok

You can be one of the no fly melee

And do decent dmg

[keen spruce]

ig if you were already on the boss

and are stickin with 8 melee

but still worse than the other two specs

but probably fine if you have enough root dmg already