assassination

[spice spire]

PSA: this discord is the most misleading, herd of sheep, n*zi community to exist for rogues. Led by no io having, no experience having SIM BOT SLAVE bafoons, all the poor people trying to play rogue are led into the darkness with misinformation and lies about builds, legendaries, and damage expectation for the rogue class - all based on numbers and NONE on experience or logic. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO LEARN ROGUE, FLEE FROM THIS DISCORD AND ASK REAL ROGUE PLAYERS WITH IO OR RAID LOGS HOW TO PLAY THE CLASS. like someone doing fantasy football saying they know shit about how to play football.

[ebon mortar]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[balmy condor]

you'd have 5 dozen people here in a heartbeat

saying how great the spec is now that they dropped kingsbane

[shy pecan]

Players be like sheep

[spice spire]

Deathly shadows

[waxen oyster]

didnt jpc convince like every m+ outlaw player

[balmy condor]

it's just a pointless human centipede of whatever the guy with +10 io above you said

[waxen oyster]

that deathly shadows was good

when celerity was just better

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

I think that was Shantiana

[keen spruce]

ok i updated it

[shy pecan]

Nice update, updater

[keen spruce]

turns out this is much easier now that i've curated a more organized frog folder

[shy pecan]

Frog folder?

[keen spruce]

you need

a peepo folder

for my WA pack to work

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

did you even read the description smh

[waxen oyster]

idk who that is

[shy pecan]

She's... a rogue player... That's all I have to say.

[spice spire]

Rogue streamer

[balmy condor]

but yeah @quartz snow, TLDR is I frankly couldn't care what gets played in m+, by the time people do keys at the level where it matters they either get one shot regardless of what talents they pick, or they've made their own opinions and don't need anyone else to tell them.

play hybrid, play cleave, play arterial, drop ct, don't drop ct, doesn't really matter this season go wild

[spice spire]

Interesting character

[waxen oyster]

anytime i hear a baked take its usually from someone

who "only" plays m+

[balmy condor]

nicest description I've ever seen of her

[slate crown]

Could you imagine

[spice spire]

I don’t speak Ill of people

[slate crown]

if all thsoe peepos were added to WA baseline

[spice spire]

If they cannot have a rebuttal

[balmy condor]

she's definitely human I'll tell you that

[shy pecan]

I mean, if the only time she comes in here is to stir shit...

[spice spire]

And I’d rather her not

Anyway

[keen spruce]

would make my life easier

[balmy condor]

out of the like 19 billion people that have ever existed on the planet or whatever

she is one of them

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Love the copypasta tho 10/10

[balmy condor]

she can't tho

[shy pecan]

She's banned now, right?

[balmy condor]

for a while now yeah

[shy pecan]

I can't remember

Yeah, it's been a while

[balmy condor]

3 strongly refused appeals as well

[quartz snow]

Thanks for all the help to get me understanding and loving more rogue!

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[spice spire]

I unlocked a core memory of Ed

[shy pecan]

I don't know if I wanna know...

[waxen oyster]

nibren my fav rog stream

[spice spire]

You do not

[waxen oyster]

the once in a blue moon he streams

[spice spire]

Nibren lowkey goated

He occasionally pops in here and OT

[shy pecan]

... now I kinda wanna know.

[spice spire]

He’ll just post cute animal/muscle brah gifs

And that’s it

[balmy condor]

nibren my #1 ethical fan oce

[spice spire]

Bless him

Real

Wonder what happened to the #1 honestly fan oce

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure his dh is named musclebrah

lmao

[shy pecan]

They were in OT recently

Him and Nibren were talking

*Them

[spice spire]

Ahh I just see him pinged less these days

[balmy condor]

pinging nibren could be the move

(I will not cause I respect the guy)

[spice spire]

Ur right hit him with a !whispyr

[balmy condor]

you know who I don't respect though

[spice spire]

Me

[balmy condor]

and who I will ping

relentlessly

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Toxic mf

[shy pecan]

I saw that

[balmy condor]

it's a long standing tradition

[waxen oyster]

tbh people act like streamers are the endall authority

on classes

[balmy condor]

@keen mist is my endall authority

he says jump and my only response is

"I can't"

and then he sends me to uncle sco

[keen spruce]

Whispyr is my end all authority

[fallow canopy]

someone that does +28-30 should sacrifice their sanity and play 1 dungeon with sepsis + doomblade just to see what ends up being cooked in this channel

[balmy condor]

who puts me on a training regiment

[keen spruce]

he says "it doesn't fking matter stop asking you idiot"

and i say "yes chef"

[keen mist]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-26949640

[waxen oyster]

he's rogue/ww/whatever is fotm isnt he

[balmy condor]

seli used to do this during legion/bfa when he was high ranking, he'd just log out in random fucking talents and gear so anyone who looked up his character would go "yo he's playing X???? NEW META?"

was a very good troll

[spice spire]

No that’s @ebon notch

[shy pecan]

[somber sparrow]

so we vote for the gameplay... i actually have enjoyed the s3 bonus the most so far

[spice spire]

Seems like a good vote then 🫡

[fallow canopy]

that's honestly the most based thing I've seen since I discovered the pets thread

[waxen oyster]

i dont think anyone is voting s1

unless hard trolling

[shy pecan]

S2's 2pc is kinda interesting though with spatter though... 🤔

[keen spruce]

someone tell Jpc to slap on an eggshell and a counterweight next time he logs out

[shy pecan]

[sweet ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdARG6jrDi3uqMYeLpLRR3

can someone take a peak. im 4 lvls below another rogue, im simming like 25k dps under

am i missing something glaring?

[drifting cloud]

other person is simming with pi

[sweet ridge]

he says no

[spice spire]

Post

[drifting cloud]

I mean assa doesnt sim 230k

[spice spire]

Other sim

[sweet ridge]

hes outlaw

ST

[bright turret]

considering 230k is full BIS, it'd be pretty impressive to be that at 484

[storm forum]

oh

[spice spire]

Oh

Yeah

We sim less

[bright turret]

lol outlaw

[spice spire]

lol

[storm forum]

yeah we need PI to hit OL numbers

[sweet ridge]

i thought we were super close

[storm forum]

we were super close and then we got nerfed like 3 weeks in a row

[bright turret]

dont take sin's sim too seriously in actual raid performance

[drifting cloud]

outlaw always sims more than what people actually do

[sweet ridge]

kk

[drifting cloud]

robot too good

[dark token]

Ye it's true

[bright turret]

sin is at the bottom of simlist, but still close to top boss damage

[dark token]

Only highroll outlaw parses can match robot sim

[storm forum]

our damage profile also owns for the raid

[shy pecan]

It assumes you play outlaw's current build perfectly too, right? Because I see people fuck that up all the time

[storm forum]

and we only need to change 1 talent point for free cleave

[bright turret]

yea, and good luck playing .8s GCD outlaw perfectly during fight mechanics

[wide ferry]

so we are running iced phial of corrupting? Despite the damage?

[storm forum]

usually yeah, personally im just running vers cause i cant trust my healers

[bright turret]

your leech easily outheals corrupting, it only ticks like 30k if you have the profession

[wide ferry]

Wow im prob losing a goood amount not runnning that..shit ty

does the damage knock you out of stealth tho in m+?

Dumb question im assuming

[slim estuary]

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[median grail]

what if they lowkey made this vote system to fire the lowest voted designer and pay raise who wins

[runic hinge]

it does not

[arctic venture]

Guys, for mythic plus Which trinket 483 Will be the best pick?

Withjerbark, pimp or sandglass and ashes?

simc tells me pimp with Which

but I´m not sure on playing.

Whitherbark

[worldly wyvern]

so on St raid outside of KB window and doing fine on energy and such I am not using combo points and then envenom as much as I can I should be casting envenom and waiting 4-6seconds to chain?

[arctic venture]

I mean. *

[worldly wyvern]

is the explosion not just applied on a target with envenom on it there is a waiting aspect or only if were pooling?

[runic hinge]

Envenom is a buff on yourself

and you need to cast again before the buff runs out

[worldly wyvern]

right but if im not ever having a problem with it falling off me im waiting to chain it instead of using it as much as I can without draining myself of energy and thistle charges?

atm i'm just using it i wouldnt say spamming it to the point im drained but im for sure not feeling like im holding things to create a chain

[runic hinge]

You don't have to wait if your energy is full

[old halo]

i like bark for tyranical weeks

[gusty mirage]

you're better tho

[spice spire]

No u

[keen spruce]

Witherbark is best on use. Ashes is easier to play and and harder to screw up, is technically worse tho. pips is default choice for passive trinket in m+

[arctic venture]

Got it.

@keen spruce and sandglass? passive use it or pimp?

[keen spruce]

sandglass is good. normally sims a little better in single target

the stats from pips do better in AoE generally

both are fine

[arctic venture]

Im mad because i cant open 1kk dps in aoe

[ebon notch]

Ye

[spice spire]

[woven slate]

Whats the best thing to use my embellishments on? I ask bc the number 1 and num 2 rogue parses for volocross (and top points overall parse), dont have toxic thorn footwraps: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rQNMB8b37CqzXWw2#fight=60&type=summary&source=261&translate=true

[severe sparrow]

is that man even using any embellishments

[runic hinge]

That dude is sub

[woven slate]

idk if its that i cant tell, or that he isnt

[runic hinge]

He's also running BSL

[severe sparrow]

im so tired i didnt even notice he was sub

[woven slate]

ok probably im bad at rogue, i thought assasin had the highest parses. did something change or am i dumb? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35

[severe sparrow]

nerfs + more nerfs

i should learn sub but

[woven slate]

i finally get decent at assasination...

[spice spire]

Sux

[woven slate]

sin rogue still has more fyrakk parses (by count of parses) than sub, but not top 3 anymore (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#boss=2677)

I was chasing a sweet dps class for that alt toon

[ivory sierra]

when do yall use cds on fyrakk like what the fuck man lol

[severe sparrow]

i suppose there's no way to know if youre fumbling branch enough to go back to ashes, without just doing it and seeing if the numbers are better?

like there's no % of uncovered kb that's the magic number, it's all just "you suck at branch"

[balmy condor]

correct

and the reason that doesn't work

[woven slate]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/fyrakk-the-blazing?difficulty=heroic

[balmy condor]

is because % of uncovered kb

means nothing

[severe sparrow]

yeah im seeing i have a habit of missing the end of my kb

which is a heckin oof

[balmy condor]

missing the first 5 seconds is much better

than missing the last 2

[keen spruce]

you could sim a bunch of different orb combos

like when you pick them up

but like

it's pretty hard to make branch worse

unless you're consistently only grabbing 2 orbs or something

[severe sparrow]

i have a hard time finding the 3rd at the right time lol

it's

i'll just go try ashes for a bit again

[keen spruce]

I've just been grabbing 2 asap

then grabbing the 3rd on my 2nd shiv

if it hasn't already hit me

just an easy way for me to remember

not quite optimal

but good enough

[severe sparrow]

i have a wa for it i just uh

suck haha

[keen spruce]

just uh do this

and stand on x after

and the 3rd orb will just hit you around a good time

that 3rd red line is like 1-2 teemos from the 2nd orb

[woven slate]

teemos is a distance measurement

i like it

[severe sparrow]

i think im so scared of picking up the 3rd one early i subconsiously move away from it after picking up the first 2 and then cant find it amongst the melee stack

[fervent jasper]

Is this the correct M+ build?

[balmy condor]

it's one of the correct m+ builds

[fervent jasper]

I'm doing a +26 Throne with an aug and disc priest

Should I play this one or a different one?

[balmy condor]

that builds fine

[worldly wyvern]

watched the sequencing vid but am I using thistle once during last 6s of KB or if I am at 3 charge shiv thistle dance kb second thistle at 6s left?

[arctic socket]

You should really just use this’ll tea the last 6s of kb, then use the other charges when you’re running low on energy, then save a charge for your next kb window

[worldly wyvern]

alright

is there a good tool I can use to self analyze im only 4 ilevel behind the other 2 sin and im getting gapped

[arctic socket]

Do you have the same externals?

If there getting things like ebon might / pi and you’re not it will be hard to compete, and going sub may fetch better results

[spice spire]

Logs work tbh

[arctic socket]

Quake will log review you

[spice spire]

Do not

[arctic socket]

Just post a log

[worldly wyvern]

yea im just a little confused on how to log myself I guess I will look that up

[spice spire]

Does your raid log?

[worldly wyvern]

they do

I just cant/ don't know how to get to the part where I can view myself and my ability usage

only damage and rankings as a group

[spice spire]

Click your name

Go to damage done

[worldly wyvern]

got it

[arctic socket]

Would you mind posting a log so we could look into your rotation / burst windows? To see if there any major issues

[worldly wyvern]

i don't mind is it appropriate to slap it in here?

[spice spire]

Yeah

They’re right

Yeah

I’ll thread it

[worldly wyvern]

and I just copy paste the link?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R3dbWypjrQAnwHXV#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=9

[tulip bough]

do yah think assasin deserved that second nerf?

[spice spire]

Language may be straight forward but no judgement we all start somewhere

[spice spire]

No

[worldly wyvern]

i don't mind

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice spire]

Bedge log review 2 electric boogaloo

[balmy condor]

the only thing weird about the second assassination nerf is that sub didn't get nerfed at the same time

[tulip bough]

sht really hurts my soul

[arctic socket]

Whispyr, how do you feel about kb getting another 4% nerf?

In the next patch

[balmy condor]

sure

idk why you picked 4%

but fuck it yolo

[arctic socket]

That’s what the blue post said no?

[runic hinge]

What blue post

[balmy condor]

???????

makes some shit up

does not elaborate

leaves

[arctic socket]

We do a bit of trolling

But statically speaking, blizzard is gonna hit sin again

[runic hinge]

statistically you're gonna get muted again

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

Lemme start talkin about beans and it’s over

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

You're asking for it at that point

[calm trail]

is refreshing rupture during KB worth it? or do I just disregard rupture if it times out while in KB/SD ?

[drifting cloud]

refresh

[junior yoke]

What??? 😂

[oak tangle]

Yessir

I went looking for the context around the question though and I couldn’t find it

[lean portal]

hi guys, if i recraft a belt that has a socket (from this season), does it disappear ?

[shy pecan]

It should stay in there

[lean portal]

should 🤔

[shy pecan]

The only reason a socket disappears if it had one from last season

[lean portal]

okok

yeah the game knows which socket is from this season and from last season

thats what i was wondering

[tulip stratus]

does feint work on bursting?

[gusty mirage]

it doesn't unless you're specced into elusiveness

[tulip stratus]

is that recommend to spec into to? also wafting or sophic devotion im seeing both

[lean portal]

elusiveness is mandatory on high keys (23-24+)

[gusty mirage]

iirc, assassination prefers 1 sophic and 1 wafting in M+ but realistically you could go 2x wafting if you also raid

and yeah elusiveness is absolutely necessary in higher keys because it also turns evasion into a DR

and feint is strong

really really strong

[keen spruce]

double wafting normally very slightly better in ST at higher gear

but ye

[gusty mirage]

you're normally very much better in everything

[keen spruce]

i run one of each

[gusty mirage]

:3

[keen spruce]

ok i sleep i just could go bed before talking to oxi

[gusty mirage]

gn cutie

me too

[keen spruce]

[vestal wren]

i think all 3 specs end up playing it this season in very high keys

[tame sand]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[misty holly]

Recuperator still bugged... How many months has it been since rework?

[digital zodiac]

Yo, is Dungeon Slice sim good for us to check m+ ?
Or is there a better way

[runic hinge]

That’s your best bet

[gaunt moat]

Easy ashes
FUCK BRANCH

with my stats, branch not even that much better

[runic hinge]

Now that I’ve used branch for 2 weeks straight it really hasn’t been that bad

When I first got it tho I hated it

[gaunt moat]

i'm happy for you, but I ain't using it for 100 more dps

[runic hinge]

I ain’t ever seeing mythic ashes so I took the myth branch from vault today

[lean portal]

same

but branch jail feels so bad when you push keys

sometimes its just fucked for you

[runic hinge]

Agreed I just realize that it’s gonna be better than a 483 ashes by a decent bit even if I fuck it up

[lean portal]

yeah i hope so

im too lazy to sim the different branches

like the orb picking combinations

[rotund oak]

laughed so hard on this

[weak cypress]

branch sucks

[spice spire]

It’s pretty good

[floral shoal]

Get branch on your hunter, practise it standing somewhere in Kalimdor annoying your healer while you're at it and when you get enough muscle memory use with rogue.

[vital coral]

anyone playing Lethality + acrobatic strikes in m+ instead of Alacrity and deeper stratagem? Thinking if it a big loss or so? seems atleast to be a big quality of life both in survival and getting dots spread?

[grim jay]

Idk its so easy with the wa

Not much to practice

[lean portal]

this seems rly bad yeah

[floral shoal]

practise might be the wrong Word, getting used to

[lean portal]

imo

[vital coral]

yea problably, just so annoyed to not have acrobatic strikes xD

[grim jay]

Feels good to never have relied on it

[lean portal]

yeah i guess some of our dps not requiring uptime (dots) can make up for it

[vital coral]

i usually play Arterial shock build, mainly because i find it most fun so thats why i wish i had aerobatic strikes since it more about dot spreading than other specs

[visual hemlock]

why so many assa rogues play ashes trinket on tindal instead of using branch?

[balmy condor]

But acro wouldn’t help you with that

[vital coral]

Well mostly not yea i agree

[balmy condor]

Sucks to pick up orbs + they feel like it

[visual hemlock]

i have mythic ashes in my vault, should i take it and replace branch for tindal?

[balmy condor]

It’s quality of life at a slight dps loss

Is that worth for you

[grim jay]

Personally, reading your messages every day is all the quality of life I need

[balmy condor]

Also now that I think about it

Acro technically is worse for carnage

Because of how the targeting works

Although I guess it depends how the pack is grouped

[vital coral]

aha alright

[balmy condor]

Interesting geometry problem though

[vital coral]

seems like most people playing cleave build, is this only to get a stronger single target or do you actually get a better overall with this?

[grim jay]

Here I thought it was smooth enough to get you

[balmy condor]

For the single target

[vital coral]

yea figured, i always play aerterial shock and usually top of the overall at the end of the dungeon

[balmy condor]

Sorry I’m thinking about the overlapping of circles in a bounded area

[lean portal]

you drop very few overall and this is way better in every other aspect

[grim jay]

Thats not a good reference. I top many dungeons with bad specs

But its not much you lose with cleave as shaigos said

If you can get your KBs off good

[balmy condor]

I top many bad little naughty dungeons

Those filthy 5 mans

[vital coral]

yea

but so hard to get invites xD

[lean portal]

just played a DHT where i nearly os first bear

id take this over the top overall

[grim jay]

Thats... Understandable.

[vital coral]

i have about 3090 rating with 386 itemlvl but damn, can take 30+ minutes to get invite to a 23-24

you guys have the same problem?

everyone wants mage / dh / aug xD

[lean portal]

y ppl are racist

of rogues

[snow sinew]

386 🤔

[vital coral]

486*? xD

[grim jay]

It often gets funky. People start wanting atleast 500 rio above what they invite for

[vital coral]

yea for sure

[lean portal]

but even when im pushing on mage i wouldnt invite a rogue idk

maybe its something with yellow

[grim jay]

I personally never invite mages

[lean portal]

cant pass on a good mage

class so broken

[grim jay]

So you can pass on 99% of the mages that queue up

[lean portal]

true

[vital coral]

i always feel like i don't wanna invite meta classes, so many times its meta slaves that doesnt know how to play it properly

[lean portal]

but i like lottery

[vital coral]

i mean dh's, jees can they jump into more shit?

xD

[balmy condor]

But like you see the issue right

Not to scale obviously

But like

Even though you increased the area

You missed more mobs

Cause the mobs aren’t spread randomly

They’re clumped

The blue area is an issue

Cause you can squeeze the circles closer

But then you lose area behind you

Which normally is fine right

So if you’re playing acro and you’re further away, that blue area grows

Which is where mobs are

[vital coral]

ah yea i understand what you mean 😄

dident think of that

[balmy condor]

And like the circles overlap in game cause the circles are much bigger technically

But it’s the same thing

[vital coral]

basicly the increased range will problably make me stand further away from the group of mobs so i will miss more mobs anyway

[balmy condor]

I mean it could hypothetically

[vital coral]

yea

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it’s really an issue ever

But it’s a funny little theoretical that’s possible

[vital coral]

yea i guess i never have problem during aoe, its more a feeling i guess that i do

and more its the bossfights sometimes you wish you could step away a little bit

[blazing jewel]

What in the cock and balls drawing is this

[vital coral]

michelangelo

[balmy condor]

That’s my balls when you aren’t around

Blue

[vital coral]

xD

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

[oak tangle]

someone help me, im considering trying to get my io up

and that's bad

[blazing jewel]

No

[grim jay]

Watch the world burn in the newest release: Indiscriminate Carnage of the Acrobatic Strikes
Starring Whispyr as: Himself

[blazing jewel]

There is no helping

You’ve contracted severe brain decay

[oak tangle]

crap

an example of how much i've cared for m+ so far

[blazing jewel]

Only known cure is to copy the floppa spin

[oak tangle]

all my highest keys are tyr weeks lol

[balmy condor]

[floral shoal]

Will now be the week I get a fortified key done? It's a mystery.

[normal mist]

And I bet it's a rise, BCS I had the same xD

[oak tangle]

nah that was waycrest

rise is a little bit better but not by much

my entire rise history

[normal mist]

I was 20/20 on everything but rise, had a 13 tyrannical laying around

[floral shoal]

I like Rise much more on a hunter esp if the other das are melee.

[normal mist]

Which I did last week

[oak tangle]

what io does that get you royal

2750?

[normal mist]

2795 rn

[balmy condor]

Oh I remember now

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8VQnRrW/

[oak tangle]

HAHA

[oak tangle]

it is true

i went out to get something from my shed the other night after it had rained for like 2 days, and a spider had already set up between the gutter and the shed roof

copped that shitin the face

[grim jay]

But you didnt fight it with a massive greatsword

[frigid wing]

anyone know why i dont have envenom?

[royal lantern]

what lvl are you..?

[frigid wing]

not high enough for the spell lol, issue with a program im running thanks for that

[balmy condor]

[raven flower]

Graduated from Ravenholdt online course

[calm scarab]

Hello, i need advice on my pick for vault. I just got into assassination and i got one of the bis trinkets, but goes to 483 so it's eventually farmable, 489 legs that aren't farmable. What is better here? I personally think about the trinket, since there still will be a long way, and it's only farmable once a week

[raven flower]

legs for tier

imo

[torn atlas]

nah do it

number 1 OCE rogue go go

[strange python]

Pew pew 2nd Nick of Time 489 😄

[grim jay]

Keep yourself safe brother

Gz I guess

[strange python]

Like a true Sin I know how to hide ^^

Cheers ^^

[royal lantern]

tbf

offhand is w/e anyway lmao

[grim jay]

Still stats

[jaunty dew]

Mine

[vital coral]

🤤

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

Im pretty excited for my vault. Its probably either the 5th tier piece vault

Or the 3rd socket vault

[spice spire]

Huge

[grim jay]

Which would be neutral

As the next socket would be offspec

The tier piece aswell ig

[arctic socket]

Man

Can I finally send messages lmao

[spice spire]

?

[arctic socket]

@spice spire your message broke my discord for 8 hours

[spice spire]

Huh

[arctic socket]

It said I had two unread messages from you and every time I would check the messages I could no longer send any but I could still receive them

[spice spire]

Man I’m so real for that

[arctic socket]

Meanie

[grim jay]

Quake just in total control.

If he doesnt want you to

You just dont

[spice spire]

The hell

[arctic socket]

George controls quake

[spice spire]

George has 0 thoughts

Head empty

So yeah that sounds right

[arctic socket]

How could you say that about him

[spice spire]

Because for everything good that he is.
He’s an oblivious mf.
His thoughts are “love me, feed me, I want cheese, play fetch with me, I want to meet that person, or I sleebge”

And that’s only when he catches the brain cell

My goat though

[arctic socket]

Y’all share the same brain cells huh

[spice spire]

Pre much.
My only functions are log review, memeing, and helping others. So it’s a pretty easy share

[royal lantern]

i love him

[spice spire]

Same literally no better dog in this world

[oblique pendant]

hai bois, is the cleave build still the go to for forti weeks?

this is my 2nd week of season 3 so im kinda confused atm

[oak tangle]

hahaha, no shot 386 people above me, we can look at maybe top 50 realm sins

[grim jay]

Dang now I miss my cat

[grim jay]

Wdym just play 14h a day

Smh my head

[oak tangle]

i +3'd a waycrest, and that made me realise i don't want to do keys

[grim jay]

Usually people realize that on keys that went wrong

[oak tangle]

well that also happened in a 13 waycrest which i healed on a rat alt

ret pally didnt use a single interrupt, then started flaming the tank for the witches standing on the candles

he also only beat me in damage

so was kinda suss

but they were from zangarmarsh which is a server i have never heard of, so it checked out

[snow sinew]

idiots gonna idiot

[royal lantern]

o/

[ionic arrow]

any recommandations?
I got signet and sandglass hero right now. Im playing m+ and it simme crab the highest for me but I red, that its garbage?

[grim jay]

No idea where you read that

[royal lantern]

i mean, can sim your stuff

[calm scarab]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk according to bm it's not better, and you rarely see any high tier rogues play crab, but you see some play signet

[grim jay]

But someone said its garbage

[royal lantern]

but hourglass is kinda shit for m+ ye

[royal lantern]

probs a yellow brain

[calm scarab]

according to top rogues from website, this is what trinks they play

[spice spire]

Aggregate data

[grim jay]

Bm is funky for trinkets

Because of how they sim them

[calm scarab]

well, still looking at top rogues no one prefers the crab atleast

[grim jay]

It kinda depends on your other gear and what options you got

Also Signet sucks and its in there

[ionic arrow]

Since I also got hero talisman, I just gonna stick with chest myth track then

[grim jay]

Idk talisman is way worse

He also linked you ST stuff

While your question is for m+

[arctic hare]

huh?

[vast shuttle]

hellbloom belt or glad belt?

[grim jay]

Whatever sims higher

[raven flower]

hourglass for ST crab for aoe no

[ionic arrow]

oh true, do I use patchwerk 5 targets for m+? then crab is pretty high up there

[grim jay]

Usually just sim dslice

For gearing

[oak tangle]

what is this blasphemy about signet

[grim jay]

Its stupid in m+

[oak tangle]

oh m+

[grim jay]

Arguably

[raven flower]

have to keep pulling otherwise damage goes away

at the same time if the tank keeps pulling you won't restealth and suffer internally

[gusty mirage]

It’s trash in raid too

[oak tangle]

restealth is a meme

[torn atlas]

See the trick is to move to a smaller server where competition isn't as high

[gusty mirage]

Signet requires a long boss fight

Which no one should have in anything outside of fyrakk at this point on any difficulty

[grim jay]

Oxi coming in, looking gorgeous and spitting facts

[oak tangle]

true i should do some more 2-3 min sims vs 5 mins

[gusty mirage]

Cool trinket, had potential but it’s so ass

Also it’s useless on mythic tindral funny enough

You’d need your dots to proc a stack during intermission or you just lose all stacks

[spice surge]

Even though it might not be good on average on shorter fights

Its gonna show up in logs

because when it highrolls, it highrolls hard

[gusty mirage]

Ye

It’s sophic procs in trinket form

[spice surge]

Its even worse

[gusty mirage]

Idk my sophic uptime is either 30% or 3% I have no in between apparently

[slate crown]

Aggregate this: ||hello good morning ||

[spice surge]

It has multiplicative scaling, so a fully stacked one is roughly ~15x the damage of the unstacked one

So not only do you get more hits if you get lucky, yours also do significantly more damage

[gusty mirage]

Tru

[spice spire]

How could you do this

GM homie

[gusty mirage]

Oh do I have a doozy for you eleem and quake

[spice spire]

[wheat vigil]

Anyone have suggestions for log analysis? Did a plain normal ATHD last night and my ilvl parse was so bad it was embarrassing. Problem is it didn’t feel like I was missing anything aside from Kb maybe not being 100% efficient. It’s frustrating

Wowanalyzer wasn’t as helpful as I remember it being in the past

[oak tangle]

afaik you're still comparing logs to those who weren't nerfed, so if you're in mid ilvl range you're probably getting cooked by that a bit

[wheat vigil]

~470 so could be

[grim jay]

470s is no range to compete anyways

[wheat vigil]

How do you mean

[grim jay]

You lack stats big time vs most higher logging people

[wheat vigil]

Ah. I see

[oak tangle]

i mean they were speaking of ilvl parses, but it is also a bit that ilvl parses can be that someone just puts on a shit item in one slot but has 2 mythic daggers

[spice spire]

Can look but driving to work rn

[grim jay]

Oh. Ilvl parses are really cooked

[wheat vigil]

Yeah straight overall parse was… serviceable enough. Middle of the pack

[oak tangle]

i wonder if i even have a parse at 470 ilvl

[raven flower]

wdym poisons are green colour and my parses are green too, don't see a problem

[oak tangle]

found one, 470, did 175k on novemeber 26

volcoross

[grim jay]

Think I had like 462 first raid day and close to 470 on the second raid day

[oak tangle]

idk if there is a way to filter results in the last 2 weeks, but if you can do that

[grim jay]

[wheat vigil]

Did 138 on a 2:30 fight (Volc)

[oak tangle]

post your log

we can have a look

[wheat vigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bWxnf1zdRB4pN3kL#type=damage-done&fight=13

[frozen jasper]

if i only got one nick of time, is it necessary that it's in main hand?

[grim jay]

No

[slate crown]

Only thing that matters for mh/oh is ilvl. Higher ilvl in the main hand no matter what.

[oak tangle]

couple things, opener is not quite right, with the shiv timing. Also a major issue, you seem to be somewhat randomly throwing shiv.

You should hold both charges for the kingbane, one charge before you press it, and the second charge with 7-8 seconds left

[wheat vigil]

Gotcha thanks. Semi random I guess, thought process was trying to squeeze one in where it could still recharge before the next kb

[oak tangle]

nah, kb is 1 min cd, and shiv is 30, you can't get an extra one in. as they only cd one at a time

[wheat vigil]

Gotcha. Appreciate that. Figured the opener probably wasn’t 100%, suppose missing ticks late is a killer

[frozen jasper]

Thanks mate

[wheat vigil]

I probably missed some empowered garrotes as well

[oak tangle]

your opener should look like this

[wheat vigil]

Image saved. Thanks for that

That’ll all be very helpful

[oak tangle]

if that makes sense as to where you should move things

but the bigger part is making sure you have shiv for then end of KB

[wheat vigil]

It does, thanks. I know the last ticks of KB are the most important

Need to put in some dummy time. I grabbed a WA that is supposed to give you an idea of how much overall KB did but not sure I love it

[oak tangle]

once you get the hang of it you'll be golden. as the rotation doesn't change really. there is 2 sequences you need to know

[snow sinew]

on AoE where do you Put CT? for reference im like 440 ilvl, 2set, using AoE shiv build because it works better for me (bleed scales better than poison or something)

use it instead of rupture? or use it late? or not at all?

[oak tangle]

i am not certain on aoe, but at your ilvl i don't think it matters XD

[snow sinew]

i wanna still do as well as i can

[wheat vigil]

Thanks again. Appreciate it

[oak tangle]

it entirely depends on the pack, because if it's going to die before your kb finishes, you need to change it up

assuming a pack will live a long time, i open with 2 or 3 garrotes and then 2 ruptures. i'll pick a target, mut it for caustic, and then kb it.

when i ct in there is normally before i caustic, but it should probably be after. but i dont think it matters so much

if the pack will die before kb. then you can do the maintenance things after kbing

[snow sinew]

so im getting that when i have AoE Rupture buff up, multi rupture on opener, and if not (tank doing dumb pulls, no dance) i CT ?

[oak tangle]

i'd maintain both

you want 5 stacks of rupture for energy management, and CT on them all

[wheat vigil]

That’s my biggest m+ issue, tanks not giving me a chance to restealth

[oak tangle]

restealth is not that important

it feels nicer to be able to, but it's not that dps impactful

[modest glen]

if tanks chain properly its no problem, but tanks that wait until the last mob is like 10% and then jump to the next is annoying af

[oak tangle]

let me check the number cause whispyr breaks down the math on it

[spice spire]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[oak tangle]

pog, ty

[spice spire]

Traffic let’s me do the little things

[arctic socket]

Whispyr how much vers would I need to become a viable rogue tank?

[spice spire]

Need more CDs tbh

[fringe lily]

3 vers

[oak tangle]

the only benefit of restealth is saving 4? gcds

[fringe lily]

Is optimal for rogue tank I heard

[oak tangle]

idk, but either way, not that bad

[spice spire]

Or sustain of some kind

[oak tangle]

just be a nelf

guranteed restealth

[royal lantern]

the only sustain i need

is sustaining my mental stability

[grim jay]

Did you say human trafficking

[spice spire]

What the

No

I’m sitting in traffic

[oak tangle]

is carpooling not human trafficking

[spice spire]

It’s been a long drive

[grim jay]

Yeyeyeye

Quake irl rogue

Confirmed

[royal lantern]

texting while driving

smh my head

[oak tangle]

tesla owner?

[grim jay]

He is driving his "load"

[royal lantern]

quake is:

1: not rich enough to buy a tesla

2: not stupid enough to actually buy one if he had the money

[grim jay]

Hopefully not

[royal lantern]

[oak tangle]

lol, i can't even drive

saves money on car rego though

[grim jay]

Aint noone taking away my lovely 13ltr/100km

Money well spent

[royal lantern]

socket vault

and i sstill have 2 heroic tier pieces

[oak tangle]

what kinda guzzler is that car

[royal lantern]

that i just dont get replaced

[grim jay]

Only a 3ltr v6

[oak tangle]

"only" he says

[grim jay]

Had to say only for the Americans in here

[oak tangle]

lol

[grim jay]

My vaults literally were 1 neck 4 tier pieces rest sockets

[oak tangle]

when i was able to drive, or rather learning to, my brother had a sv6 that was very nice to drive

[royal lantern]

head and shoulders are heroic tier stuff

and man

we dont drop mythic tier

i dont get any in vault

sucks

[oak tangle]

then i'd go back to driving my shitbox civic

i have not seen mythic trinkets or daggers, but all of my tier is 489

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/audi-s5-audi-audi-india-audi-a5-a5-gif-21213987

[royal lantern]

im sitting on 4 cata charges

and cant use them

lol

[grim jay]

Thats mine just Daytona grey with Black accents

And carbon inside

[grim jay]

That sucks

We atleast had some drops for cata

[royal lantern]

legit just used 2 for tmog right now

[oak tangle]

that was my shit

thing was as old as i was

remember the days of buying aftermarket stereo units

or having cars that allowed it

[grim jay]

Those were days I wasnt allowed to drive

Or even obtain a license

[oak tangle]

lol, it was the shit if you had a custom built subwoofer box and hand wired it

[grim jay]

I remember someone at my fathers work having his own custom system inside his car

Spent like 20k

Back full of it

[oak tangle]

they had to ban the neon lights for the underglow

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pgDSpLrBUBxjjVs52jQwRh

gimme those 2 missing mythic pieces

[oak tangle]

can i have ur dagger

[royal lantern]

no

[oak tangle]

unluck

[royal lantern]

you get it next vault

trust

worked for oxi aswell when i said that

[grim jay]

Imagine having 489 nichole fulltime and getting cucked by tier

[oak tangle]

i'm past needing it now 😦

[royal lantern]

and myth track branch

but

i also only have a fucking NORMAL ashes

not even heroic drop

[oak tangle]

i don't have an ashes, cause my dh tank rolled on it in raid the one time it dropped

[grim jay]

Same

Normal op

[spice spire]

Tesla’s ain’t that expensive but no.
I don’t text while there’s any movement. People just were exceptionally lackadaisical this morning with their driving

[oak tangle]

is it illegal over there? or just frowned upon or not even frowned upon

[grim jay]

Wait

Is it legal somewhere

[oak tangle]

idk

probs

have you seen the videos of the roads in india and shit, they don't even have road rules

[grim jay]

130 euro if you get caught

[oak tangle]

bruh

my mate lost his license for 6 months

cause he was caught texting on some backwards ass rural town in central QLD

[grim jay]

Duh

[royal lantern]

deserved

fuck text drivers

[grim jay]

I think you lose it for a month over here if you were close to hitting someone or something while getting caught

[oak tangle]

i don't disagree about the punishment thing, but liek 130 euro aint shit

get caught trading stocks while driving? you probs make more money

[grim jay]

I mean you can only do it a few times until your license is gone

The system more or less works like that

You accumulate points over time

[oak tangle]

same as here

[grim jay]

Unless you do something really bad

[spice spire]

Super illegal.
Texting while driving actually despicable stuff.

[snow sinew]

german detector goes weee wooo

[arctic socket]

I think I might get a new animal today

[snow sinew]

any idea yet which one or are u just /rolling in the animal rescue

[spice spire]

You better send pics

This is absolutely a threat

[shrewd crescent]

which build is better for M+? arterial or sudden demise?

[thorn fjord]

If you’re texting and driving you better have been drinking

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

me after texting and driving

[spice spire]

Play styles, how the dungeon runs etc. come into play.
There’s no de facto best that’s universal across all dungeons

[oak tangle]

me before and possible while just driving

I jest, it's been nearly a year now since i've collapsed. could probably look at getting my license, but it is what it is

[deep wadi]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[arctic socket]

I will

[spice spire]

Ty

[slow oracle]

how do you sim aoe

[spice spire]

You can do it multiple ways. Dungeon slice most used

But if you’re looking at pack damage only you can do a multi target pw and adjust the time

[arctic socket]

Is there a point in simming aoe as sin?

I mean really

[spice spire]

It’s all arbitrary

[indigo sinew]

is there any input on sub vs assa on the last 2 bosses mythic?

[somber sparrow]

I recommend playing whichever one you can press the buttons the hardest ^^

[spice surge]

Theres not a very big difference between them so you can pretty much play whichever you prefer

[indigo sinew]

i think i press my buttons harder when i play sub, im more relaxed when i play assa lmao

[pure moth]

Lol

[indigo sinew]

yea ok thx. i checked the top logs and looked like assa only competes with pi, but yea thats only overall dmg and doesnt always ethical dmg or however you say it

[spice surge]

No pi as assa is rough

[indigo sinew]

ya

i dont get pis anymore

[spice spire]

Brethren you always should piss

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-11864636400230753109

[spice spire]

[minor gate]

oh boy vault day, i hope i get something i need

[royal lantern]

i got a socket

:3

still 2 heroic pieces

:3

[minor gate]

socket it is i guess

[safe wigeon]

An error occurred: You can't vote because you can't post in this topic.
what is this error i cant vote for tier sets

[magic sparrow]

PI Assassa > Sub > No PI Assassa

[lean portal]

pi assa is worse than sub i think

[arctic socket]

[thorn fjord]

It sucks

[spice spire]

Maybe for you, but I’m different

(I have never played sub a day in my life)

[tawdry portal]

how much haste should i have idealy?

[spice spire]

Whatever the robot says

There’s no set point

Stat priorities fluctuate, don’t aim for breakpoints

[lean portal]

around 20% but yeah robot knows best

[thorn hollow]

Okay gamers please be as critical as possible. I am trying to improve and really struggling. Heres a video and a log of me hitting the raid dummy and doing super low dps. I am 479 Ilevel and doing zero damage. Have watched a lot of videos and still feel like im missing something. I am using the M+ hybrid build from Whispyr's guide as M+ is most of what I do. I would love some feedback and some criticism
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9xQWfNPzcgLThpay#fight=2&type=summary&source=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owTyAm44GQk&ab_channel=Facepalm105

also not sure if this is helpful but this is my armory

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/wyrmrest-accord/giloman

[gusty mirage]

It definitely is

Idk where people are getting this cope that assassination with PI beats sub

[spice spire]

You ever seen me play sub bozo

You’d think the same

[gusty mirage]

I ain’t ever seen you play anything

You’re washed and dried BUD

[pure moth]

Played it last night. Was cringe lol

[gusty mirage]

I actually know where it comes from

People are comparing assa with PI on tindral to sub which drops a smidgen of ST for help with root damage

[void mesa]

Is your question including the fact you are using the AoE build to hit in ST? Just to be sure we aren't forgetting that part cuz you are using the bleed build which does cut a lot of ST dmg to grab all of the AoE basically

[spice spire]

Quick thing, in your initial kb window. You dance shiv then kb which isn’t ideal.
You also immediately picked up your branch boi, which means you were missing the buff from the final tick
You also overcapped a little bit standing still so that hit is always an easy one to mention

Also your envenom uptime was very very low

Focus on your pooling

[silk bane]

it used to beat sub, then it got the typical " oh my god assassination is strong for more than 48 hours" treatment so now its at best equal. but people like to hold on to the good memories. some good old

[thorn hollow]

Yes! I am comparing myself to some other videos I have seen of people running similar talent builds in M+ doing High keys and they are beating me using very similar builds by like 100k dps

[thorn hollow]

thanks for the feedback! I watched Whispyr's pooling video but I agree definitely needs improvement. Is there any specific tips you have for that? I feel like sometimes im not sure how to pool effectively. Is there something you saw that I am consistently doing wrong in regards to pooling?

[sweet dawn]

Beating you by 100k overall or just in ST in M+ build

[silk bane]

didnt see the context, LOL i think stealthi said sin does more root damage sub does more boss but idk i dont think its true anymore

[thorn hollow]

ST usually. Sometimes that includes drums or other such effects but overall im like 75-100k less in single target. I am not exagerating when I say I am straight garbage

overall in M+ i average 140-150k

in overall damage

but my st is always like 100

or 110k

[void mesa]

Using lust and a potion will mega inflate sin's dmg due to how KB scales, so that may play into the huge difference in numbers

But yeah, getting your branch orbs correctly and doing the opener well as was mentionned earlier will help.

[royal lantern]

wdym assa more root dmg, sub uses their 2000000000000IQ aoe dmg gameplay(pressed secret tech once) and roots are half life

[thorn hollow]

its not super obvious but my potion, whitherbark and deathmark are all macrod together. And gotcha Ill look into doing whitherbark better

[royal lantern]

thats 100% fine

[thorn hollow]

in terms of opener is it just the shiv deathmark KB issue or are there some more things I should try and recognize and address?

[void mesa]

Macroing it all is fine and recommended yeah

[thorn hollow]

okay awesome

[void mesa]

DM-Shiv-Dance+KB

I cant really see much more from my huh, terrible phone data atm sadly xd

[thorn hollow]

all good. i really appreciate the feedback and the time that you all have taken to look at my video

[void mesa]

Would also highly suggest holding teas for your KB windows. You are using some teas during pooling periods, which isnt great

Better to slow down and pool correctly in downtime, then send tea during Shadow Dance + Kingsbane to have more casts in there and use the mastery better at the same time

[thorn hollow]

gotcha can do. Is there a resource or something that can help me pool? Currently im trying to go by the rules in the wowhead guide and also the video from whispyr and im not sure what im doing wrong

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[spice surge]

I think whispyr has a WA linked somewhere for it

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice spire]

Practice tool

[spice surge]

Ah there it is

Thanks you mr quak

[slate crown]

mr quak

[spice spire]

Gotta be good for something 🫡

[thorn hollow]

thanks so much!

[void mesa]

And its gonna feel bad, but you are trying to get the longer chain possible

And then you sit with no energy and wait for it to refill while doing nothing 🙂

[thorn hollow]

that feels so bad

[void mesa]

But then you get big juicy burst windows

Tradeoffs 🙂

[thorn hollow]

fair enough lol

what kinds of ST numbers should I be striving for in M+ bosses assuming no lust? just so I kinda know what im shooting for and whats realistic

its gotta be higher than the 110k I currently do

[sacred wedge]

seems like ilvl issue

my 465 fury does that

[thorn hollow]

I am 479 i thought that was pretty high ilevel lol

its more like a skill issue I think

[sacred wedge]

fury has nice st tho this patch

[silk bane]

depends on set, for most sets u do 0 damage

[thorn hollow]

if anyones has more info for me or any additional criticism just ping me or dm me. Thank yall for the time

[spice spire]

Good luck friend

[silk bane]

but yeah the ones that are important u can do some damage

[strong cradle]

do we ever use needlessly complex wristguards, or do we just stick to life bound bindings?

[royal lantern]

i mean

its no real difference

you can get the engi wrist and act as if its some big utility thing and put it into a m+ note where it gets ignored i gues

but stat wise its the same

engi is all in 1, normal wrist is the ussual 50/50 spread

[onyx falcon]

can anyone rip me apart and let me know what im doing wrong with my ST? Feel like i shouldn't be doing ~67 parses at my ilvl so im doing something wrong i don't know even after reviewing the log :/. Cant figure out waht im doing wrong. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3K8VhCdnRxN7gy6P#fight=67&type=damage-done&source=6

[boreal glacier]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raven flower]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

How’s that tool work? I’m on my phone and curious @spice spire

[spice spire]

The pooling tool?

I’ve not played this tier

I’m the worst person to ask

[thorn fjord]

True

Ive reverted myself to only playing sin when my PI is on (he’s been traveling a lot these last few weeks)

I’m so bad at OL in raid

Not too bad at sub tho

[tawdry flint]

does nelf racial proc subterfuge?

[void mesa]

No, you need to wait for meld to allow stealth, which is not gonna work everytime/everywhere

[surreal canyon]

Please help ;-; https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nqTFB8akAJgKDp6m#fight=10&type=damage-done I just want to Orange Parse

[void mesa]

PI + Windfury where x)

[waxen oyster]

Before "lol heroic" memes, no PI or windfury is gonna scuff you.

[surreal canyon]

it was just a pug

[waxen oyster]

Doesn't change the fact you lose a significant amount of dps missing those

[void mesa]

Trying to hit an orange parse where the top 10+ % of parses will have these tools will scuff your parse comparatively

[waxen oyster]

Not 100% sure if potting during lust or execute is more damage

in this scenario

[surreal canyon]

So besides a lack of windfury or PI I perform adequetly

[void mesa]

88 parse with no external on an external spec seems pretty good on a first glance, kill time is good, ilvl good

[keen spruce]

warcraft logs didn't partition after the nerfs

so while our gear might be better. you're still competing against un-nerfed people for parses

and PI+WFT is ~20k dps gone right off the top of whatever you're trying to do

guess which one didn't have a PI

[sharp viper]

i got lucky

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

jeez

[sour oasis]

guys

plz

do u finisher at 4 cp?

in mono target

or 5+

[royal lantern]

4+

[sour oasis]

ok thx

[royal lantern]

only exception is the envenom during the opener/before you enter kingsbane

you want 5+ there so you have 100% envenom uptime for the opener kingsbane

[spice spire]

Honestly ur washed bud

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

I thought I was wrong saying assa is worse than sub w/o PI

[bright turret]

its criminal sub may get away with 0 nerfs despite being stronger than sin was before its 2nd nerf

[spice spire]

You’re right

Tonight we riot in #subtlety

[gusty mirage]

quake looking for a nice muterino

[void mesa]

When are we going quake

[gusty mirage]

sub survived cause no one played it

[void mesa]

Im onboard

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t be the first time

[gusty mirage]

I mean I could pull a whispyr and ban you

[fleet pagoda]

but if they do more damage how can you overthrow them?

[spice spire]

Nah he kicked me

[gusty mirage]

tomato toma-toe

[maiden rover]

If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black

[spice spire]

Ur a toxic mf holy fuck

Cannot believe you’d do this to me in the rogue disc

[maiden rover]

Miss you

[spice spire]

And you’re a rogue now? You were supposed to be my WFT

Miss you more

[maiden rover]

Anytime you need my totem you let me know

[royal lantern]

"totem"

[spice spire]

After guild implosion uh. Probably WW

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-pissi-twitch-7tv-gif-7223094372649290081

[spice spire]

Jealousy is a disease get well soon xoxo

[royal lantern]

im just pissed man

guild shit

all shit

fuckl the game