assassination

[arctic socket]

I wonder how much Americans spend on bacon monthly

[spice spire]

$0 here

[snow sinew]

millenials are ruining the avocado toast industry

[spice spire]

Real

The generations before got the housing market

We claim the avocado toast market

[royal lantern]

i had avocado toasst for the first time in my life at new years when i visited a friend

was good, ngl

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s fine

It’s not life changing. Val used to make some banger combo with fried egg, mashed avocado hot sauce and garlic salt on toast and it banged

[arctic socket]

The amount of money people want for houses or land

Is ridiculous

[spice spire]

Yeah

[snow sinew]

just move to romania

[spice spire]

My parents bought my childhood home for 78k in 95.
It’s market value is 400k today

[arctic socket]

The property I have went from 275k to 915k

Which is ridiculous

[dull cloak]

78k in 95 is like 160k today. stonks

[arctic socket]

In 9 years

[jaunty dew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Boomer

[arctic socket]

I’m 23

[spice spire]

What the

[snow sinew]

tbf its only worth as much as people are paying

[marble hemlock]

not if you can borrow against it and actually use that money

[wheat vigil]

Sorry if this gets asked hourly - where in the opener do you pop Witherbark ? Seems like you’d want it for kingsbane but it’s so slow

[arctic socket]

On dm

[ornate aspen]

What tier set are we voting for boys? S3?

[spice spire]

DM

[upbeat needle]

If i have myth main hand, and a 420 offhand should i just craft an offhand?

[spice spire]

Whichever you like homie

[wheat vigil]

Got it. Thanks

[arctic socket]

All

[arctic socket]

Full send it homie

Even tho you should probably farm fall

[timid haven]

Does Lariat become good with full sockets?

[arctic socket]

For a Nicholas

[arctic socket]

What did your sim tell you?

[ornate aspen]

Voting for season 2, I like to suffer

[upbeat needle]

i got nicholas wep in my vault but i just wasnt sure what to do for my crafted, was gunna do the boots, then toxic wrist, and a wep or ring after

[arctic socket]

But yeah the more sockets makes it more powerful

[arctic socket]

What ilvl Nicholas

[upbeat needle]

myth track

[arctic socket]

Or is that the myth one you’re talking about

Ah

[upbeat needle]

its that one

[arctic socket]

Well you should already have your boots crafted

[upbeat needle]

i just capped liek 2 days ago so im like 425 ilvl xD

[arctic socket]

Wrist / belt

I think there’s enough sparks to craft the boots, wrist or belt with toxic patch then a wep

[upbeat needle]

was waiting for aspects before i crafter

[arctic socket]

Take the crafted pieces you can make and craft which ever one sims the highest

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

[spice spire]

Not trolling for once even with the deleted message

[arctic socket]

Eh it’s most likely a wep

But who wants to craft one of them when you can just farm fall

80 times

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

it's pretty good in m+ with full sockets ye

[shy pecan]

12 houses a year!

(in Seattle)

[gusty mirage]

the ideal set up for m+ would be lariat (with full sockets) + 1 blue silken

most people didn't bother because sparks are limited

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

Just craft the thorn boots slap on a toxic patch with a flavor pocket ring then forget

[gusty mirage]

and that

the dif between embellishments is a lot smaller than people think

[lean portal]

oh rly ? even in assa ?

[shy pecan]

It's true

[arctic socket]

Si

[gusty mirage]

ye its just a ton of mastery

[spice spire]

Bro I’m moving to the PNW

[lean portal]

and what are you geming on lariat ? full mastery ?

[arctic socket]

What ever the robot tells you to do

[spice spire]

Whatever sims best

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

probably haste/crit gems if I had to guess

cause you just get a ton of mastery from branch, and pips, and BSL

[lean portal]

okay ill try to sim this

but BSL sims kinda low for me

even in sub

uptime things ply

[gusty mirage]

yeah, plus realistically if you're got a fuck ton of mastery already

it's possible that BSL just isn't as good for you

[lean portal]

i dont even have that much thats the funny thing

[shy pecan]

Yeah, can grab ramen or something

[spice spire]

Do you have branch

[lean portal]

yeah

oh yeah thats why

[spice spire]

[jaunty dew]

So just curious about the midseason shift in sims/logs, and it's probably due to externals more than anything but Sub surpassed assassination once again #Sadge, is it the nerfs we got to KB/Aura or just Sub gaining more out of the increased stats?

[lean portal]

cause in sub i have 84% mastery and sim for 230k only, i see ppl way higher with way higher mastery

but sims tells me to not go for more mastery

rly confusing

[spice spire]

Nerfs

[jaunty dew]

Feels like season 2 all over again

[lean portal]

anyway thanks

[gusty mirage]

combination of the nerfs, sub being preferred for tindral and smolderon which the majority of players are on atm, and hunters getting PI over assa

[spice spire]

Whoah there Charles dickens

[jaunty dew]

Is it better on Smolderon due to the orb buffs and shorter CD span?

[gusty mirage]

yeah dif profiles can cause some wonky shit

like my sub sim is asking for MORE mastery and I'm already over 100%

[gusty mirage]

yeah and you have something for every single intermission

where as assa has 2 good intermissions and scuffed ones

[jaunty dew]

I enjoy the hell out of the caustic splatter play but might need to look into sub (again)

Feels like every season we start off strong and then get shanked

[gusty mirage]

[lean portal]

by different profiles you mean all sims would be different ? depending on ? scripts ?

or u just mean different charachters

[gusty mirage]

depending on your character

idk why mine keeps asking for more mastery

but it gets what it asks for ig

[lean portal]

XD yeah i guess

i do same

the robot orders i recraft

but sometimes its weird

[sweet zealot]

hey, i saw the pin, but im curious, what do you guys pref (i only played sin this season)

[spice spire]

S2 simp 🫡

New name ig

[gusty mirage]

yeah I skip out on recrafting unless its like a big dif

I aint spending tens of thousands of gold for 300 dps

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's not staying bud

there

more appropriate

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-idiot-sandwich-angry-mad-what-are-you-gif-4169547

@spice spire

[sweet zealot]

ngl, i find s3 set to be better, pref the gameplay of it atleast

[spice spire]

Ur a hater

[gusty mirage]

you're actually mentally illinois if you think the s2 set is any good

the 4pc was dogshit

[spice spire]

Yeah

It was

But envenom chain.bonus

Makes me flaccid

[sweet zealot]

its just weird "oh burn all ur cds and then u get to 40% increase where you just use nothing but envenom (and apply bleeds)"

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's awful

whoever votes for s2 is dead to me

[spice spire]

Damn

[shy pecan]

[desert inlet]

@s2 voters

[sweet zealot]

19% still voted for s2 set

[spice spire]

They hated him because he spoke the truth..

[arctic socket]

T26 was dope

Bring it back

[fleet pagoda]

S3 set is cool and all, but a year straight of it

[desert inlet]

what was t26

[gusty mirage]

corruption

[drifting cloud]

dont worry it will only be 10 months

[runic hinge]

down with s2 voters

[spice spire]

[desert inlet]

oh lol

[spice spire]

Mfs begging for corruption

[lean portal]

kinda disgusting they didnt design new ones imo

[spice spire]

Batman couldn’t beat that outta me

[desert inlet]

Corruption good

[earnest remnant]

S3 assa tier set is 100x better than s2

[desert inlet]

Many haste

[gusty mirage]

didn't stop whispyr and quake from voting for s2

[spice spire]

Silence sub main

[lean portal]

s2 is just designed for old assa

[spice spire]

Yeah you know what did tho

[lean portal]

it would be useless af

[earnest remnant]

i played assa on more bosses this tier than sub

[spice spire]

Not having a sub

[spice spire]

Damn

[arctic socket]

Corruptions

[strange python]

Is it worth using 2 nick of time daggers

[spice spire]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

yeah quake but by more bosses he means

[spice spire]

Timestrike good

[gusty mirage]

unless you have a higher ilvl mainhand dagger, yes

[drifting cloud]

he played assa on 30 pulls and sub on 500

its just more bosses

[shy pecan]

This is the best route

[spice spire]

Yeah but he’s so real for that

[desert inlet]

Maybe I have a sub for lunch

[strange python]

Options are 489 nick of time main hand and 486 crafted wep or 489 nick and 483 nick off hand

[desert inlet]

[gusty mirage]

can I have some

[earnest remnant]

thats actually close to accurate

[desert inlet]

u can have

1 meatball

[spice spire]

What kind of sub

[gusty mirage]

483 nick beats all in OH except for myth track

[earnest remnant]

just a 100 ish off

[spice spire]

Kinda answered it there

Damn

[desert inlet]

ya

[gusty mirage]

I'll just take the comfort in knowing my friend is eating a delicious lunch

🙂

[desert inlet]

[shy pecan]

Meatballs

[spice spire]

I do love a good meatball sub. Even a bad one ig

[gusty mirage]

oh quake

[spice spire]

Yes sir?

[gusty mirage]

stealthi proposed to me on sunday and I said yes

sorry bud

[shy pecan]

You know, I can’t remember the last time I’ve had a meatball sandwich

[brazen zodiac]

;O

[spice spire]

What the fuck

Literally lost two fiancées in a year

Punching the air rn

[runic hinge]

A socket sims for more than a myth track banch?!!!!!!!! WTF

[gusty mirage]

how could I say no to this

[drifting cloud]

what about me

you can ride on my owl

[gusty mirage]

I'm a one man man

sorry

[drifting cloud]

understandable

[earnest remnant]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Nice tag

[earnest remnant]

my phone doesent like you

[spice spire]

Understandable

I don’t like me either

But same

[proven carbon]

i didn't play sin for any of dragonflight except this season and only in raid
what's the general consensus so far on the season tier voting?
i'll vote with the people

[drifting cloud]

vote s3

[gusty mirage]

^

wish they would've given us mix/match options

tbh

like s2 2pc/s3 4pc for assa & sub would be so sick

[drifting cloud]

that would take dev time away from next xpacs tmog systems

or something

[earnest remnant]

fuck no

no s2 sub shit

miss me with that shit

[gusty mirage]

[shy pecan]

I dunno about s2 stuff for sub

[gusty mirage]

s2 2pc was good

stop it

[earnest remnant]

NO

[shy pecan]

Yeah, what stealthi said

[gusty mirage]

this man marries me

and then proceeds to yell at me

wild

[rich jetty]

hello gamers. we should not be voting against one another, we know who our true enemy is... mages. i believe if all 12 classes band together we can put an end to them. if we stand united they won't be able to brick our spec votes. we have all been second to a mage at some point in time, so now we can finally unite against them. the sun shall shine on them no longer. please vote season 1 for all 3 mage specs.

[earnest remnant]

bish, people cant even play shadowdust correctly now

[desert inlet]

domestic abuse

[earnest remnant]

how do you think they will handle 32 different symbols conditions

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-who-asked-who-asked-meme-meme-gif-24590276

[spice spire]

As much as I love this energy. Nah. People should enjoy things

Fuck mages tho

[desert inlet]

Mage fun

[spice spire]

I asked

[desert inlet]

I'd prob one trick fire if not rogue

[drifting cloud]

do you even have a sub to vote quake

[spice spire]

I do not

[drifting cloud]

good

[desert inlet]

We can both get subs for lunch

[spice spire]

And I’m the villain for liking s2? We live in a society

[past forum]

Hi, teacher what should we do if the thing we enjoy is being hateful?

[timber meadow]

when I go assa instead of sub loot spec what are the major changes?

[shy pecan]

Quake is the real winner for not being subbed

[spice spire]

Hating is free

[spice spire]

None

[timber meadow]

okay cool thought so thx

[runic hinge]

Someone justify me taking the branch over a socket

[spice spire]

You can get a socket any week

[autumn pagoda]

Hey there, im leveling my assa rogue from 60 rn, in dungeons is this caustic dmg normal? it says only ''poison damage'' gets cleaved but its always top of my dmg in aoe

[desert inlet]

Can get socket any week

[spice spire]

Branch is once in a lifetime

Twinsies

[runic hinge]

DONE

[desert inlet]

[spice spire]

At 60 probably

[autumn pagoda]

I just wonder what damage is actually gets cleaved?

[runic hinge]

Lmfao it gave me an EB to go with my branch

[autumn pagoda]

envenom is natural damage so it doesnt right

[drifting cloud]

have u killed smolderon, do you reclear

[runic hinge]

I don't raid mythic

Ashes is out of reach

[drifting cloud]

just take the branch then

bag ilvl flex

[spice spire]

Envenom does

Iirc like everything does

[grim tangle]

hey quick question

why would anybody be a simp for the s2 tier set?

[runic hinge]

They like tmnt

[drifting cloud]

for big caustic outside of cds

[autumn pagoda]

okay thanks

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-because-gif-11777634

[shy pecan]

Why not is the better question

[runic hinge]

Because it kept you in combat and ruined my shadowmeld

[shy pecan]

[drifting cloud]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

Meld is a crutch

[runic hinge]

Yeah and I need all the crutches I can get. These knees are old

[strange python]

Last 3 weeks vault I got 2 nick of time and branch

Gg

[royal tree]

can someone here explain why the porcelin crab trink is a non existant choice? it seems like getting 2k mastery for 20 seconds would be a great thing it looks like its perfect for our bleeds and poisonsk. Is the proc chance just really low on it or something? why does no one want it

[spice spire]

Real

[runic hinge]

If it procs outside your cds it’s bad

We’re a burst spec and if you’re getting a mastery proc not during dm/kb it’s not moving the needle much

[past forum]

if only we had a tier set that was fully focused around buffing us outside of cds

[runic hinge]

Stopppppp

[royal tree]

@runic hinge i see your point i just thought with us having bleeds and poisons up basically always the increase would benefit but i can see how not having control of procs makes it a problem

[spice spire]

Ur so real for this tbh

[thorn fjord]

I want my env to do 2mil min every cast

dont @ me

[past forum]

was our s1 set good? i wasn't playing rogue then

[runic hinge]

If our damage profile looks like this getting a proc outside one of the peaks is just not doing much

[runic hinge]

It’s boring passive increase

But not bad

[past forum]

so we probably just want s3 repeat, eh?

[runic hinge]

That’s what I voted for

Tbh I wouldn’t mind s2 2 set if it wasn’t bugged

[past forum]

it was additional damage, right? not an additional bleed?

[runic hinge]

Yeah nature damage on top of your rupture and CT

[raven egret]

Personally didnt like the 4pc, nature damage after deathmark

just thought it was a boring idea

[spice spire]

Counterpoint

[bright turret]

yea people only want the S2 set for M+

S3 is way better for raiding

[spice spire]

Envenom chaining is gabagool

[upbeat needle]

does rogue have a raid buff?

[bright turret]

you already chained envenom for uptime anyways

[reef crow]

atrophic poison

[raven egret]

I mean losing the Envenom explosion would suck for M+ too

[runic hinge]

Evenom chaining is what you should do anyways bozo

[bright turret]

yea s3 is still decent for M+ cause both bonuses affect AOE

but S2 is maybe a little better so they wanna gimp us in raid

[spice spire]

Exactly bozo.

[past forum]

i dont hate the s2 set in theory but i feel like envenomous explosion is achieving what s2 set does while also doing something cool inside DM

[spice spire]

Passive bonus = gabagool

That’s why s1 isn’t even presented here

[past forum]

2set is cool tho

[runic hinge]

They should bring back t28 4 set

[raven egret]

aight aight look...
S2 2pc + S3 4pc

[runic hinge]

Only if they fix the bug

[raven egret]

they wont have to anyway, S3 set winning regardless XD

[past forum]

sub would rather have double 2set than any 4set right?

[vestal wren]

is there even one spec in the game

that wants s1 set

[raven egret]

Destruction locks

[runic hinge]

I think they went super passive on s1 because of the new talent trees and so it’s boring

[vestal wren]

subtleties season 2 2p is nice for energy managment
but the refresh bahaviour makes it a big turn off

[bright turret]

Yea S1 sets were boring because they wanted to be safe

Blizzard had no idea what balance was going to look like

[vestal wren]

season 1 sets did get designed boring on purpose

everyone had a completely new tree to play with

it makes sense to stick with a focus on it

[atomic crow]

Stupid question, does slice and dice make bleeds tick faster?

[runic hinge]

No

[vestal wren]

nope

only auto attacks

[past forum]

i haven't played sub all season until last week and i definitely still forget i need to manually press symbols with dance

[vestal wren]

you can macro it tbh

but you wouldn't be able to macro it

with the season 2 tier set

[raven egret]

I hate shadowdust enough to not go back to sub for the time being 😦

[past forum]

how bad is it to macro? assuming i can also have them bound seperately

[vestal wren]

not bad

you want to line up dance with symbols always

so usually no harm having it in a macro

the one thing to keep in mind is dust

[past forum]

during a vanish go you want to be able to press dance without pressing symbols right? cause symbols will probably still be active and off cd?

[vestal wren]

vanish can dissable dances security mechanism.
So, while this shouldn't happen naturally often it could happen that you overwrite dance by using the macro for symbols

also, think if we want to discuss this further, we should move it to #subtlety

[past forum]

i think i understand for now but yeah i'll definitely have questions later

ty

[mortal pond]

if i do both m+ and raiding what enchants do i put on my weapons, sophic or wafting or one of both?

[spice spire]

Whichever sims higher

Because different profiles show different things

[mortal pond]

how do i put those enchants in in raidbots?

[vestal wren]

there is a gem section you can select them

[mortal pond]

appreciate it lad

[vestal wren]

but make sure to tick this, if you have enchants on your weapon

[upbeat needle]

whats tier off piece, chest?

[woeful meteor]

legs

[cursive frost]

Wonder if the appearance for S4 will have a unique color at least. Bummer if same color we already have

[royal lantern]

YOU DONT EVEN PLAY MAN

[spice spire]

Okay and

[royal lantern]

complaining about gameplay that you never did yourself

man

thats hardcore hater shit

i need to step up on my hater stuff

[ebon quest]

i got the Ember of nullification trinket at 480 (mythic) in my vault....am i to assume that it's not listed on whispyr's trinket page on wowhead because it's that horrendous for us?

[runic hinge]

It can be okay. I’d run it as a passive option in high m+

Sim it and see how bad it is. But it wasn’t listed because originally it was on tank vault only

[shy pecan]

Same

[sand burrow]

Any reason the 6th combo point is so important?

I mean the why behind it.

[royal lantern]

you mean taking the talent..?

[half moss]

!profile

can someone throw the command for all the profiles to show lol, had to add everything back

[royal lantern]

what profiles?

weakauras?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[half moss]

ya! thank you very much

[sand burrow]

Yep, just wondering the rationale, vs "cuz wowhead said so."

[royal lantern]

i mean

cus of how sealfate works, you have less chance to overcap CP with 6cp

and the talent also gives just flat 5% finisher dmg

[woeful meteor]

the 5% finisher dmg alone is enough to make the talent good

[sand burrow]

Makes sense, thanks.

[royal lantern]

like, just the cp part alone

normaly the rule is max -1

(rn its 4+, but that would be max -1 aswell without deeper)

so lets say you use mut and get 2 cp cus no crit

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor what build are you playing in your weekly keys

[royal lantern]

if you now use another mut and both crit, you allready waste CP

deeper reduces the cp waste

cus you have more max

and, yeha, 5% finisher dmg alone is big

[balmy condor]

my what?

[runic hinge]

Okay raid logger

[balmy condor]

I got all the things I need from m+

Why the fuck would I go back

[runic hinge]

Vault

[balmy condor]

Cringe

[runic hinge]

My whole life is cringe

[sweet dawn]

Any assa tricks for mythic Larodar?

[balmy condor]

Accelerate your opener giga hard, hold the 1min kb for a couple seconds till he comes back from his charge, hold a couple teas to get through the second add set

[cerulean nest]

how many pulls did M Tindral take you folks once you entered p3

[gusty mirage]

I got my 489 nicholas

:3

[quartz snow]

hello dear brotherhood , question , when engaging a boss everything going fine for burst etc but around mid fight , i'm really OUT of energy .. i know i have a trouble from energy saving but would like to know what'(s your tip^?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

We had maybe 3 or 4 p3 pulls tops

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[cerulean nest]

actual?

[spice spire]

Wait is tindral dead?

[quartz snow]

thanks

[balmy condor]

Oh tindral

[cerulean nest]

yeah lmao

[balmy condor]

Sorry I was still in larodar mode

From earlier

[earnest remnant]

roughly 20-30

[balmy condor]

Yeah no fucking clue we’re 230 deep and stuck on first platform

[cerulean nest]

ty ty

[balmy condor]

My guilds ass

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-you-what-what-did-you-do-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-19389913

[quartz snow]

so basicly , building energy until i can chain 2 venom , back to back ?

[gusty mirage]

enjoy

[balmy condor]

Yap

[cerulean nest]

we limped into p3 last week at like 170 pulls, this week hoping to get close to a kill

[gusty mirage]

my fav part about tindral

was them changing feathers after we spent 100 pulls getting it right with the taunt swap

it was a very cool nerf

ty blizzard

[balmy condor]

We broke the first shield a couple times

Was very exciting

[gusty mirage]

it's very excite

until you get those 30 pulls in a row of people double soaking seeds

[cerulean nest]

people being intuitive about how to adapt themselves to seed spawns is the rough part rn

[balmy condor]

We haven’t gotten that far

[gusty mirage]

its okay

1 week away from boss getting nerfed

cause this current boss even with the past nerfs is misery

[earnest remnant]

Tindral was fun

[gusty mirage]

My crystal ball says boss gets dumpstered on 10.2.5

[balmy condor]

We’re doing 60 pulls in 3 hours rn

Kinda fucked

[gusty mirage]

you heard it here first folks

I wish I could tell you fyrakk is better

[spice spire]

Ur fun bozo

[gusty mirage]

but its more of the same

chain pull

[earnest remnant]

Fyrakk is fun as well

[gusty mirage]

fyrakk is fun

very fun tbh

[cerulean nest]

minus the fps shit I like tindral a lot

[gusty mirage]

dw the fps shit is there for fyrakk too

just not as bad

[cerulean nest]

sweet!

[gusty mirage]

problem with tindral is you need everyone to focus for the full 7-7.5 minutes

cause 1 mistake and its group wipe

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

so you can giga jump your pull count

[cerulean nest]

yeah it doesnt "feel" like a traditional massive pullcount boss

they happen so fast at the start lol

[balmy condor]

Bro the amount of times we don’t even make it past the very first set of roots

[gusty mirage]

like we should've killed it in 365ish

[balmy condor]

Is insane

We have like 4 people die

[gusty mirage]

took us an extra 10-15 pulls

[balmy condor]

20 seconds in

It’s incredible

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

fair warning

fyrakk fucking HURTS

[cerulean nest]

whats your heal comp whispyr

[gusty mirage]

you for sure play vers over crit phial

[balmy condor]

Not if we never make it

[gusty mirage]

you will

[fallow canopy]

lasers are yummy

[balmy condor]

Two priest monk evoker

[gusty mirage]

prevoker?

[balmy condor]

Yepge

[cerulean nest]

must just be beams then? we have a pally instead of mw but the actual root damage is fine until second one in p2

[gusty mirage]

aren't they doo doo this tier

[balmy condor]

Yepge

[gusty mirage]

our evoker swapped disc

[balmy condor]

Yepge

[gusty mirage]

we have the legendary Shuibo holding it down for rshams

[balmy condor]

We have roster issues

That’s why we can’t kill tindral

Surely

[gusty mirage]

just get more sub rogues

[balmy condor]

Fuck no we have enough lizards in our raid with the evokers alone

[gusty mirage]

hey woah

jish isn't a lizard

how dare you

[cerulean nest]

im staying sin on tindral and blasting

enjoying it

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean if you're still getting PI

assa is good for tindral

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-gecko-smile-lizard-happy-gif-10796374

[cerulean nest]

ye thankfully

[gusty mirage]

its timings are significantly less cancer too

[balmy condor]

This is Josh

Sure

Fuck autocorrect

@wicked obsidian what’s good Josh

[gusty mirage]

don't bully jish

[spice spire]

Ur a mf

[balmy condor]

Yeah, and she’s a lovely lady

[spice spire]

Jice

Nice even

Fuck

[balmy condor]

You wanna borrow my autocorrect?

[spice spire]

Nah I wanna borrow ur

Never mind

[earnest remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/1181914464841375754/flabbergasted_dragonriding.gif?ex=6582ca9f&is=6570559f&hm=b7afdfc9b93a0e979b760826040c27c77b6f10d37a974e0048de6767fcb0269a&

[balmy condor]

@oak tangle aren’t you one of them aussies

[gusty mirage]

been there

[gusty mirage]

I mean yeah his name is upside down

hello?

[balmy condor]

True

[cerulean nest]

I personally enjoy people yoinking my feathers

https://www.twitch.tv/meeser_peter/clip/WonderfulHonorableHummingbirdMau5-F5leYGuqqxX6xDaR

[gusty mirage]

you too?

I'm pretty sure I had to grab my feather from the fire puddle

99% of the pulls

[waxen oyster]

arent most healers otps

[gusty mirage]

even after he shit out 2 more

[cerulean nest]

oh yeah I live in those

[waxen oyster]

so not surprising if you see some prevokers

[cerulean nest]

how about when you steal someone's sky orb and shut your mouth hoping they don't rat

[drifting cloud]

isnt that somewhat common if youre the far right/left person?

[gusty mirage]

it shouldn't be if the middle two people use their brains

[drifting cloud]

hmm think theres just alot of moving parts

[gusty mirage]

yeah but there's a difference between it happening often

[drifting cloud]

or well depends how far into the fire you mean would have to see example

[gusty mirage]

and it happening all the time

lol

[drifting cloud]

for us the far right would spawn in fire often

but im talking like

2yards in

[gusty mirage]

the problem is

the guy on the other side

was sometimes grabbing his feather in the fire too

[drifting cloud]

then it just depends who goes for their feather first

[gusty mirage]

meaning there was 1 extra in the middle

constantly

and then if you commit and take the feather that's not in the fire

"HE TOOK MYF EATHER"

like okay man

[drifting cloud]

xd

lol ok we never did that

[gusty mirage]

so I just started taking the fire one every single time

you don't have the timing to run around like a fucking idiot as sub

cause you need to flag first global down to have it up for shield

[waxen oyster]

mw just seems so big this tier

[drifting cloud]

but yeah like you said 2 people have to fuck it up for it to be bad

[gusty mirage]

I'd feint and just grab the feather and mount in there

no clue if feint actually did anything

[waxen oyster]

(they also come with the upside you dont have to play a ww)

[drifting cloud]

its reprog time this week anyways

too bad its prob nerfed next week

[waxen oyster]

surprised it didnt get nerfed right after holidays

[gusty mirage]

I think if 10.2.5 wasn't so close

it would've been

we're approaching the 2month mark soon right?

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

[waxen oyster]

but 10.2.5 is mostly just random content isnt it

[clever niche]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[drifting cloud]

youre in week 9 buddy

[waxen oyster]

like do they even do class tunings in .5 patches

[gusty mirage]

you're in week 9

fuck you

don't call me a time traveler

you're not my real dad

[shy pecan]

Oh

[drifting cloud]

im stuck in week8 for 7h

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

crazy fyrakk kills are still less than 100

[runic reef]

Is the correct rotation sequence for Sin spec - DM, SD, KB then Shiv or DM, Shiv, SD, KB?

[gusty mirage]

the back end of the raid was much harder than all of abberrus combined

[drifting cloud]

holidays are a big thing, and it got 30 kills this week

[waxen oyster]

the smolderon to tindral wall is hilarious

[gusty mirage]

I'm curious how they nerf tindral again without gutting it

[shy pecan]

DM into shiv into SB/KB

[past forum]

hard in the back end is nice

[waxen oyster]

they prob gut it

ngl

[gusty mirage]

2nd one

[waxen oyster]

its designed by the person who made halondrus iirc

[gusty mirage]

I know fyrakk was for sure

[waxen oyster]

would be funny if it got the same treatment

[gusty mirage]

didn't know about tswift

[drifting cloud]

dont think it is same guy

for both

[gusty mirage]

thing about fyrakk too is idk how they nerf it without gutting it

it doesn't feel unfair

[waxen oyster]

smolderon was triggering

why is everything

orange

[gusty mirage]

the blizz special

blue tinted room, BLUE MECHANICS, ENJOY

[rain oyster]

Axe orange = everything orange

[waxen oyster]

i enjoyed hungering destroyer sl s1

when everyone played nf

and no visuals were nerfed

[gusty mirage]

you can actually predict the colors of mechanics based on the hue of the room

oh god

[rain oyster]

I fucjing hated mythic hungering destroyer lol

[gusty mirage]

wild spirits from hunters

just covering EVERYTHING

extra props to spear of bastion on KT

couldn't see shit under it

[waxen oyster]

blizz: let's make spell visuals stronger

[thorn fjord]

That color WA for Smolderon was a fucking god send

[waxen oyster]

people who play male tauren in melee

[thorn fjord]

I couldnt see shit

[waxen oyster]

just exist to watch the world burn

[thorn fjord]

Thats me!

I wear a dress too

[waxen oyster]

why its mouth open like that

and the eyes

[balmy condor]

That’s me irl

But significantly lighter

[thorn fjord]

Catarax set in

[keen spruce]

i have myth track rings already but i still want to take ring of contempt cuz it's on the bis list

even though i know how stupid that is

[spice spire]

At least ur aware of it

Love u

[drifting cloud]

bis list for what, outlaw?

I had that thing with a socket and it was simming less than just a socket for me somehow, I didnt feel like inquiring more

[arctic socket]

Stat stick trinket bis

[spice spire]

Ur on a misinfo campaign today eh

[runic hinge]

Take ember for your OL era

[spice spire]

Chat suggesting outlaw now too?

[limber lion]

You're lucky all the words I want to say to you are filtered

[gusty mirage]

how does this make you feel

[vast loom]

is this nick #1 or #2

[gusty mirage]

#1

[vast loom]

[gusty mirage]

I just like bullying shmeeps

[keen spruce]

i'm very happy for u

i think it's just a myth hat angle for me

and still craft a pirate hat

[gaunt moat]

I'm hoping for signet brand 🐰

[arctic socket]

Toaster bath

[drifting cloud]

wait

you did 8 keys

🤔

[gusty mirage]

yes

I needed crests to craft my shit

[drifting cloud]

rings?

[gusty mirage]

needed to craft engi helm, upgrade bracers, and upgrade 2nd ring

[raven gull]

you guys think assa will be fine for next season or will I be forced to be a pirate :<

[woeful meteor]

caring about fated tuning

[strange python]

How is assa compared to sub in m+?

[keen spruce]

comparable

a little more popular

but not by much

well quite a bit more popular

at lower keys

[raven gull]

I do, didn't play season two,... so I missed the best looking set

[woeful meteor]

What does the specs power have to do with that?

play whatever the fuck you want even more than in a normal season

[raven gull]

want 2.5k rio for special shoulder helm effect

[woeful meteor]

you can get to 3.5k rio on any spec...

[raven gull]

and I pug only, so yeah don't wanna be in queue whole day. And i just asked

[raven gull]

yeah good talk

[storm forum]

How much am I grieving my guild if I don't play sub on smolderon?

[woeful meteor]

2.5k is not even all 20s

it does not take long

[raven gull]

mate I know

It was a question

cool you make a discussion about something else

[woeful meteor]

play whatever you want

it will be good enough for 2.5

[storm forum]

Sin is fine. I can time 25s on it rn with a guild group.

[raven gull]

how is it with pugs, getting into groups?

[spice spire]

Fine

[woeful meteor]

also you are asking about fated thats in like what 3 months

[raven gull]

thanks, that's what I wanted to know

[spice spire]

Good stuff

[woeful meteor]

at that point sin could be best spec in the game and law the worst

[storm forum]

PUGs are usually fine, but we're a dps without lust or brez so it takes a while

[raven gull]

amazing how other people can answer a question so easily and you make such a problem out of it

[raven gull]

yeah always those dot speccs, also combat being s tier right now. So I was curious

[spice spire]

It’s the level of detail you wanna get into tbh.
Easy answer; it’s fine. Play well and you won’t have a problem 99% of the time. 1% you’ll run into it

But cba going over the 1%

Tamaran isn’t wrong though. Just levels of what you wanna display. Either way good luck homie

[fallow canopy]

some people are just weird so weird things are bound to happen eventually when pugging

[raven gull]

Just wanna get my 2.5k, it's not hard but I don't have so much time to play. So I dislike getting rejected a lot of the time. reason I was curious how pugs behave

[spice spire]

They see yellow name and assume it’s one of the good ones

And 1/several hundred dungeons ur gonezo. But it’s a bullet dodged 100% of the time

[bright turret]

You're going to get rejected 90+% of the time anyways

[raven gull]

happens, not much of a problem

[bright turret]

Spec won't change much

[spice spire]

[bright turret]

Doubt you'd get invited and then booted if someone saw you on sin though

[raven gull]

never happens on my bdk :'>

[bright turret]

Yea just giving a bit of warning

[spice spire]

I would but I’m a hater (I’ve never kicked a person in my life)

[bright turret]

You will face rejection, a lot, trying to pug no matter what

[raven gull]

yeah good to know! will think about it

[spice spire]

Also tanks have it easy on invites

My rat ass bdk would get into keys it had 0 business getting invited to

[bright turret]

Yea 20s and down are desperate for tanks, healers, and augs (lol)

[raven gull]

yeah that's why I thought maybe I play assa in pvp... have a good time there next season and enjoy the bdk life in m+

[raven gull]

I never invite augs in my keys below 20, they just int most of the time

[bright turret]

Yep, they are completely unnecessary and just slow you down 99% of the time in lower keys

But people still think they're meta down there

[raven gull]

yeah but keys feel so much worse with them

[bright turret]

They help for living in higher keys, but you lose damage, and augs in lower keys are generally...not very good

[raven gull]

friend of mine plays it, then it's actually fine, but so many augs give their specc such a bad rep

[keen spruce]

it's a fairly significant damge loss

[woeful meteor]

it's like 40k diff for same percentile, sub is pretty easy esp on smolderon imo and if the 40k matter in throughput depends on your guild as a whole.

[keen spruce]

it's just that losing damge isn't what is causing dungeons to fail or not

[spice spire]

Dungeons

[steel vessel]

Hey - I’ve got a question on packs rotation during tyrannical weeks. My overalls are rather bad as mobs seem to get destroyed by the other dps. does someone have some tips on how to deal max amount of damage asap? I play the hybrid build with the following engage (garrote x2, rupture, mutilate, and then cd rotation followed by fan of knives/envenom rotation, refresh mutilate for caustic spatter etc). I think it’s what I should do, but in some keys like WM, I struggle to go above 200-210k overall..

[keen spruce]

what key level

[keen spruce]

mini game fun

[steel vessel]

24-25 atm

[keen spruce]

idk that sounds about right. hybrid runs CT right?

wcm isn't the best overall dungeon

the large AoE pulls aren't real. it's like 3 real mobs and a bunch of gophers that your DH will kill instantly

[steel vessel]

Yeah exactly

[keen spruce]

Assas job is to kill large stuff

if stuff isn't large enough to survive your KB

or DM KB

then you're not gonna do damage

[storm forum]

ty

[steel vessel]

Right exactly. Was wondering if this is normal for everyone or just haha

[keen spruce]

I really don't start closing the gap on my DH until like 27 tyran

or like 25/26 fort maybe

[steel vessel]

Guess bleeds and poisons just go randomly on some weak ads that die instantly

[keen spruce]

but there's still a pretty big gap

[steel vessel]

Alright. Cool thanks for reassuring me haha

[quartz snow]

What's the best build in term of dps output between wowhead build : arterial shock VS hybrid? And the pro / con, still trying to figure out and understand rogue class.

[slate crown]

This video goes over various builds, but ultimately the two play very similarly and have similar outputs. Others with high M+ experience will have more opinions than I do, but from my understanding most M+ builds are very similar in both niche and playstyle and output. At high key levels many are opting to just run a Cleave build where you are taking a full Raid build but grab IC and Spatter, others are running a no-amp DTB build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaVYLApYN-M&ab_channel=Whíspyr

[strange python]

@keen spruce do you know how sub performs compared to assa in m+

[shy pecan]

What level key are you talking?

[keen spruce]

they're probably pretty comparable

sub just not very popular rn

they have strengths, which is why pirates are swapping sub for certain parts of certain dungeons

but i think they just fall behind in low target counts and out of CDs

but i also haven't played sub since PTR

so

i just know the 3rd highest ranked sub rogue in NA isn't even 3300 last i checked

[slim hamlet]

Isn't blessing of autumn just super op if u can get double execute CDs

[shy pecan]

Tanner's working on it 😛

And he's got 3300

[keen spruce]

it's k

[spice spire]

Tanner?

[keen spruce]

diva and prophet holding it down

[spice spire]

I hardly know er!

[keen spruce]

I was fkin

smackin a target dummy

at like 4am this morning

trying to figure out pirate

and i look over

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

and prophet is smackin a target dummy

fkin degenerate

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

Ed?

I wanna bed!

[shy pecan]

Come up here to Seattle, we can make it happen

[thorn fjord]

Nothing to figure out really.. Just dont press the wrong key ever

[shy pecan]

(jk)

[balmy condor]

w rizzlord sigma gyatt as the kids say

[keen spruce]

I can be there in like

2.5 hours

if i drive fast and tacoma magically doesn't have traffic for the first time in 35 years

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

[shy pecan]

Tacoma always has traffic. It's a fucking nightmare because of their constant construction

[waxen oyster]

honestly i actually hate playing with augs in lower keys

most suck

[spice spire]

Which one you talking to bud

[waxen oyster]

and if your other dps stinks then uhh you are in for an awful time

i had a mage doing 80k dps on a boss

after aug

[spice spire]

Huge

[waxen oyster]

i dozed off during dresaron

[shy pecan]

[waxen oyster]

and walked into like 5 eggs

because the boss was taking like 4mins

on an 18

[spice spire]

Brother?

[subtle stream]

I feel that statement in my bones.

[keen spruce]

"step-brother"

[spice spire]

Not tryna feed this man’s kink

[waxen oyster]

but idk

keys feel really easy this season

at the non highest level

[shy pecan]

I hate driving on I-5. Slow drivers in the left lane. Two lanes of traffic for a bunch of it. Construction. Miserable

[keen spruce]

I just pretend i'm playing f-zero

[balmy condor]

feed me not-daddy

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Bro it’s 5:40 PM on a Tuesday

[shy pecan]

No, it's 3:40pm, wdym

[spice spire]

Fake time zone

[shy pecan]

You're fake

[spice spire]

No u

[keen spruce]

i've been doin the portland to bellingham drive for 18 years

u eventually know where the police like to hang out

[shy pecan]

No u

[keen spruce]

and u can just fkin

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

the rest of it

[shy pecan]

True

Also, West Coast best coast

[waxen oyster]

also question

does third boss of throne hurt tanks

or was i just running into pepegas

[keen spruce]

it's probably the most dangerous tank killer boss in the dungeon pool

[shy pecan]

Yeah, when that totem comes out, they're taking magic AAs and more attacks

Err, not magic AAs, but magic damage in addition to his AAs

[waxen oyster]

yeah i watched two pug tanks get clapped

[shy pecan]

More attack speed for the boss too

[waxen oyster]

never had issues with guildies

[keen spruce]

totem = 200% attack speed and each attack does bonus nature damge

[shy pecan]

Yee, that

[keen spruce]

but also like

just use a defensive

[shy pecan]

You really need defensives for each of the totems coming up and pray that your DPS kill those totems fast

[waxen oyster]

we did lol

[keen spruce]

with good tanks we don't even swap to them

[waxen oyster]

i dont think a totem lived more than 5-6 gcds

[keen spruce]

we just cleave the totems down

[shy pecan]

If you have good cleave, yeah, that's not an issue

[waxen oyster]

that tank was beyond baked lol

he stood there for 1min after trash pack

"i need repair"

walks out of instance realizes cant mount then 2mins later decides to hearth

and come back

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

i was like

[shy pecan]

RIP

[waxen oyster]

this guy's brain lagging irl

or something

[keen spruce]

look my gear has broken

mid boss fights

in dungeons

but liek

just slam a hammer down

and keep it movin

[shy pecan]

Or repair before the dungeon?

[waxen oyster]

the fact he spent 1min to say

"my gear broke"

like he was afk

[keen spruce]

i don't have that kind of memory

when yellow daggers pop up under my mini map

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure i've had my weapon break mid boss in bfa

[keen spruce]

i put down hammer

[waxen oyster]

and i just slammed a hammer down

mid boss fight

[keen spruce]

i had a dagger break mid yanlu last week

cuzz the blizz UI

[waxen oyster]

how

[keen spruce]

shows yellow

and like

[waxen oyster]

you can mount in everbloom

[keen spruce]

45%

but it just stays yellow

[shy pecan]

Just need that WA that yells at you whenever there's a ready check to repair your gear and check your talents

[keen spruce]

and shows MH durability

[slate crown]

If the blizz UI shows anything that is an immediate repair make that shit go away from my screen

[keen spruce]

but your OH can break

[waxen oyster]

i just press repair all

on my yak

[slate crown]

place the repair ui

[keen spruce]

and it'll still say yellow

[waxen oyster]

out of habit

[slate crown]

in the middle of your weakauras

make that shit huge, make the game unplayable for yourself if you need to repair

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

tindral is the real bad repair bill boss

45 sec wipes

[slate crown]

Make a Biya Im unhinged weakaura on durability

[keen spruce]

oh true

i could just change the durability

the trigger*

[waxen oyster]

love when im flying in the air on my dragon

a mushroom goes off

[keen spruce]

i also need

[waxen oyster]

and my mechanical cheat starts chimping out

[keen spruce]

to update my peepo wa pack

and by update i mean fully yoink whispyr's edit

[slate crown]

Actually I don't know if weakauras has built in durability triggers? Or if you need to do a loop on your gear, I don't remember

[keen spruce]

change it to peepo's

then rename it to shmeeps edit

[waxen oyster]

this is the way

why make your own wa when you can steal people's

and change them

[shy pecan]

Pretty sure you have to loop

[keen spruce]

I had a random pug resto druid

ask when i'm going to update it

like 2 weeks ago

I think it was one of you guys though

in diguise

[waxen oyster]

i've been tempted

[keen spruce]

cuz that shit has like 7 downloads

[waxen oyster]

to change my dh's name

to 7 ascii letters

and wonder how much people are gonna hate me

[spice spire]

Yes

[quartz snow]

Wow use finished the video. Learned a lot.

So arterial build is more slowly opener, put rupture and most target possible while the cleave build is faster and focusing single target and eveyething around dies, correct or I totally fucked it up?

[slate crown]

I'm not even sure what the install number means, I don't think it tracks Import Link copies, and only tracks installs through the Weakauras App, so it's a deflated number.

(I don't even use the WA app)

[slate crown]

I'll defer to others in the channel on your question, it sounds right to me

[spice spire]

I’ll Defer to people who played this tier

[shy pecan]

Technically, that's right. With the Arterial build, you're wanting to get ruptures up for Scent of Blood. So ideally the more the merrier. But that's not always possible. You don't need to do that with the cleave setup.

[keen spruce]

oh good point

i mean i can't imagine

there's that many people

running around with my fuckin peepo afenar

[slate crown]

lmao

[keen spruce]

trying to play like that

[shy pecan]

Imagine downloading Shmeeps's WAs...

I wouldn't trust a duck for such things

[quartz snow]

Thanks for the clarification!
Would you say that in terms of aoe, cleave build would be a lot behind arterial build? Sometimes it's kinda tricky, specially like new rogue as me to swap to all target to apply bleed.

And play on the cleave build for default m+ build?

Im trying to find a reliable build to learn the class and doing decent damage both Tyra / fort week without swapping eveything and get lost

[shy pecan]

I mean, arterial is fine if you can get setup right. It does a lot of damage in AoE with all the bleeds it can pop out. Cleave is solid too since you have a lot of spatter damage due to throwing everything at that prio target. Just have to be aware that once your prio target is dead, it'll hurt a bit damage wise

They're just different playstyles. Just find one that you enjoy playing the most. They're all good. Sin has that luxury to play whatever version it wants

[quartz snow]

Got it, thanks a lot!

[balmy condor]

as long as you don't play outlaw

[quartz snow]

I'll go cleave build, seems a bit easier

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[quartz snow]

Rather delete wow

[shy pecan]

Whispyr can correct me if I said anything wrong 😛

[balmy condor]

you think my wind archer is cute?

[quartz snow]

Yeah would love to have his opinion

[shy pecan]

I think the cleave, hybrid, and arterial buils are all fun. I played them all and they have their pros and cons

[spice spire]

Sure man

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/windy-wimdy-nope-gif-23356709

[balmy condor]

my opinion is m+ is for chumps and the meta is just whatever the top end players regurgitate and baby bird to the poor people pugging their +20's

[waxen oyster]

REAL

[balmy condor]

doesn't really matter what does damage or doesn't do damage

[spice spire]

Wait

There’s a copypqsta for this

[slate crown]

copy pqastala

[shy pecan]

[waxen oyster]

i only like with dps offspec tanks pulling with the motto "healers aint people"

[balmy condor]

if the rank 1 whoever the fuck logs in tomorrow and says "drop kingsbane it's bad aoe"

[waxen oyster]