#assassination

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thorn fjord
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2.3 seems like a lot

woeful cipher
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yeah I was expecting 1% or less and was gonna just run it to simplify things but 2.3 seems like too much to drop

bright turret
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im guessing you have really low mastery

woeful cipher
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45%

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not sure whats low

bright turret
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whats the actual number

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% doesnt help

woeful cipher
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3300

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im rerunning now with enchants/gems to see if that moves the needle

bright turret
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that is definitely low compared to me, but it could just be your stat distrubution works better

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branch is a pita to use compared to ashes though

woeful cipher
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yeah lol thats why im trying to find a way to not use it

bright turret
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as you get your mastery higher, it will favor ashes more basically

thorn fjord
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Im sitting at like 65% mastery if that helps @woeful cipher

bright turret
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won't necessarily lead to a bigger sim though

thorn fjord
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Branch is still higher in sims like I said but only by like half a percent

woeful cipher
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I may honestly recraft/gem/enchant mastery if it gets ashes close to branch

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doesnt have to beat it but if it gets within half a percent thats fine

bright turret
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with my stat distribution 489 ashes sims slightly higher than 483 branch, but I only sim 214k as well

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mastery being highest stat

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i think you may outgear me slightly though im 484

thorn fjord
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Should be at my computer soon and I can show you mine

woeful cipher
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it gets down to a 1.3% loss with mastery gems hmm

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maybe i just gotta practice branch

grand bramble
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anybody done a dmg test with life-bound belt/bracers and toxic thorn footwraps and noticed that the dmg from the boot proc is the same with and without decay embellishment?

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I ran it twice on the single target dummy in Val, with decay and without decay, and the hit/crit were almost identical

balmy condor
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It’s double for me

grand bramble
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wtf

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I'm gonna have to try this again

dreamy canopy
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Hey guys, currently struggling to get the best out of sin. Trying hybrid build on fortify but on some keys I'm soooo far behind. Is everything linked to the KB windows ?

balmy condor
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With hybrid yeh

dreamy canopy
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what's the easiest/friendlier build to be "ok" in m+ ? AS build maybe ?

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trying to see if i'm mistakend in aoe as well but I can't find what's the issue for now.. ><

balmy condor
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I mean they’re all kinda the same

dreamy canopy
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it's like personnal preferences then between hybrid/as/cleave right ?

thorn fjord
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I get PI tho... so i usually sim with it

ashen rover
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my dh friend and i did a troll run on a 17 and this happened xd

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balmy condor
lean portal
dreamy canopy
balmy condor
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Np

dreamy canopy
lean portal
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but try the build without dragon tempered blades i think its easier to play cause the kingsbane burst is way less relevant

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yeah depending on dungeons and key levels

dreamy canopy
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All right, will try thx !

woeful cipher
opaque iron
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yo so i seem to be doing more dam with atleast 15% haste. both on ST and AOE.. how much haste do you guys run? i thought this spec was jsut pure Mast=Crit>Vers

woeful meteor
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just use the gear that sims best

opaque iron
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ye i get that . was looking for a ball park. like how outlaw needs 30% or more vers to be good

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somthing like that , all g

spice spire
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No ballparks

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Different setups will yield different results

woeful cipher
thorn fjord
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Unfort

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I used it for like 4 days and was like nah im good

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But im real shit at mechanics so an extra thing thats going to make me move will fuck me up

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Was gonna ask how do you guys normally navigate through having a hard time with mechanics?

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Like this month ive been playing like absolute dog shit... the officers talked to me about it yesterday

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My dmg is chillen and im usually top... But i've been dying alot to dumb shit

gray hazel
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Focus less on damage and more on doing mechanics

turbid harbor
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Gap is much smaller with more mastery, I always used ashes over branch

gray hazel
thorn fjord
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Mad annoying

gray hazel
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Yeah, sometimes just have to be more safe

turbid harbor
gray hazel
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Not dying in mythic is better than pumping

thorn fjord
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There’s never an in between with me

gray hazel
thorn fjord
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Either I go all night playing like a fucking pro and not dying at all

gray hazel
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What is your mastery?

turbid harbor
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And that’s with perfect branch orbs, which I didn’t think was consistent on prog

thorn fjord
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Or I fucking die like crazy

turbid harbor
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I haven’t played assa since smolderon and the nerfs came in

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Can’t remember what my mastery was

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5kish?

thorn fjord
spice spire
turbid harbor
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With my gear now ashes is likely an upgrade

spice spire
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(This is a joke I’m sorry)

thorn fjord
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And I know the fights

gray hazel
thorn fjord
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Larodar was a nightmare for me yesterday

spice spire
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Oh no I pinged the right person dieslow kekdog

thorn fjord
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On our third reclear

spice spire
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But yeah

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Mechanics first, dam second.
Ten toes down etc

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But gotta learn to dam with mechs

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Tight rope to walk sometimes

thorn fjord
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Larodar is really hard for me

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I can’t ever see the shit on the floor

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And I’m just taking crazy damage

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I take less dmg on smold

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Ima start taking focus factor two hours before raid OMEGAKEKW

spice spire
blazing jewel
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Quake will be snorting preworkout before every dungeon so he is dialed in

keen spruce
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scana i didn't meant to ignore you this morning

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i was bedging

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also idk how to respond to half of the stuff you send me

blazing jewel
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Are you a big fan of the unhinged videos

keen spruce
blazing jewel
keen spruce
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when i see a video from the channel "polish.memes.kurwa"

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i know it's gonna be a banger

blazing jewel
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#polishmen#polishboys

royal tree
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if im making a titanic insight ring what two stats should i focus on it?

south wing
low quartz
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Nick of Time doesnt drop - I cant be THIS unlucky

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PLZ TELL ME I CANT BE THIS UNLUCKY

midnight otter
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You and me both

keen spruce
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i can tell u exactly how unlucky

spice spire
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Be your own truth

low quartz
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24 runs this week, havent even seen it drop

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😦 😦 😦 😦

keen spruce
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24 is rookie numbers

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gotta get those numbers up

low quartz
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AND WE NEED IT x2 !?!?

spice spire
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Yes

runic hinge
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Just get a vault one. Ez

keen spruce
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only very slightly unlucky

low quartz
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That actually makes me feel marginally better, ty number cruncher

keen spruce
spice spire
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Nerd is a better word

thorn fjord
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What about bozo

spice spire
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Not today

jaunty warren
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It took about 60 fall runs for me to see two heroic nicks drop

thorn fjord
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Took me 30 something to see the heroic one and i stopped

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lol

woeful cipher
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you dont really need 2 unless you get one from vault is my understanding

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thats assuming youre killing mythic igira i guess and get that dagger

remote grail
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I'm on 25 runs and no sign of that

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Using Yazma and Tindral daggers dogflex

silent hornet
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Quick question guys assa Rogues sim for around 220k ST with good gear right ?
Friend doesn t wanna believe me cause he thinks assa does more.

hollow dirge
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220k is a very very strong sim for assa atm

jaunty warren
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I sim about 180k on patchwork and 220k on dungeon slice at ilevel 480

low quartz
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^ here's what u.gg is sayin

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in M+

silent hornet
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i m doing this in ST

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but friend says there must be something wrong with raidbots cause his druid sims 235k and he can t believe that rogue sims for so little

lean portal
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assa always sims for little this patch

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never understood why

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friends are making fun of me as well XD

bright turret
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that actually seems high for your gear, do you have PI selected?

gloomy sparrow
thorn fjord
bright turret
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hard to say cause I feel like he'd be a bit low without it

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does have plenty of sockets + 2 nicks

keen spruce
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doesn't do that much damage without PI / aug/ or add pad

balmy condor
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bis assa sim is at 231, feral/balance at 248

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sounds about right

balmy condor
gray hazel
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Ashes gets used with SD -> KB right?

bright turret
balmy condor
opal bison
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
wind dune
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The journey for all 26's with pugs here we gooo painge

past forum
balmy condor
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my bad

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they're part of the parent company of icyveins

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how could they be bad

past forum
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exactly, you get it

keen spruce
bright turret
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yea, but lets not pretend that isn't how many players view sims

keen spruce
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i'm just trying to yoink a 25 fort then wait for it to get nerfed

wind dune
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got fall done at 27 the other day but yea rise is gonna make me cry

bright turret
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like the guy above's friend wondering why his sin sim is so low when it doesnt translate to raid performance

keen spruce
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fall 27 feels like about

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a 23-24 rise

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maybe

wind dune
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facts

pine root
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I'm pretty new to rogue and I've seen some people say that Witherbark's branch is skewed since sims "milk" the uptime of the buff. so I was wondering how much worse it is if you are unable to move around enough to maintain the max efficiency of the buff? rn bloodmallet has it by far and away the best trinket for assassination but if I were to sit still for a soak or something and all three get consumed at the same time would it be worse than another option or would it still be the best?

keen spruce
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but also, sims aren't "milking" anything they're just playing correctly

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it's like a 5 second window to grab the 3rd orb, very generous

past forum
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situations where failing to do branch at least okayish are the exception and not the rule, if you are at least slightly cognizant of fight timers

balmy condor
# past forum exactly, you get it

yeah, that's why I always tell people, gotta use the new beta version of archon.gg for the most up to date and accurate aggregated data. It links to the wowhead guide, which means that it has my stamp of approval, even though it pretty much is the same shit as u.gg and it got shoved down our throats.

at least the archon people took the writer concerns into account somewhat and removed "best" from their stats since it's not actually best but "most popular", but ya know, "most popular" doesn't get clicks the same way Smile_Dog

past forum
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they spawn predictably and you can do 1 easy trick (sims hate this!) to maximize your dps

balmy condor
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all these fucking dogshit ass aggregate sites

past forum
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oh yeah i wasnt even thinking about dogshit content from the standpoint of a guide writer

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that's gotta be tilting when someone comes in here with that

balmy condor
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I remember there was like a week in season 1 when assassination was A tier on subcreation and people FLIPPED

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turns out it was break the meta week

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or whatever

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and people were just playing assa for the event

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but people see tier list big shiny spec

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and go

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OH SHIT

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ASSA GOOD NOW?

keen spruce
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yellow name up list

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big purple high list yellow need up list more big good

balmy condor
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I had a guy argue with me about it cause he was trying to convince me that assa was actually a really good m+ spec for XYZ reason and subcreation is actually accurate, people didn't realize how good it was

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and I'm like

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okay, see you next week

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back to F tier

spice spire
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Yeah it was me bozo

past forum
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first time i tried ass in m+ s1, i opened with carnage and was like "whoa this spec is so sick!!!"

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then i went into the next pack and was like.....oh....

wind dune
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then you look at the meters :^)

spice spire
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Sin in 9.1 was a viable m+ spec

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wind dune
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zdps babbbyyy. but tbh this iteration of assa is really fun in m+ just not really tuned for dungeons sadly

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speaking for 10.2

balmy condor
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I'm all for like more theorycrafters and people trying new things and optimizing and general widening of the min-max community or whatever you want to call it. It's a great thing to see people excited about a spec and trying to get the most out of it.

But then the voice in the back of my head sees u.gg and subcreation, bloodmallet and all of the "easy" statistic stuff you can do, even just like slamming whatever different sim type in raidbots and comparing the two. And it concerns me lowkey, cause there's so much data and info at peoples hands which just gets used to justify the opinion you already had to begin with, rather than actually pushing the numbers and the theory towards a truth

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statistics only works if you actually like

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know what you're looking at

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and can use that to come to a conclusion

spice spire
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I’m not even gonna meme it

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Damn

blazing jewel
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Add subcreation to the rh naughty word list

balmy condor
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like I can easily come up with something

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hold on

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aight

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this is the gear page on mythic fyrakk

crude moat
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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if I just look at this, would be safe to assume that ashes/signet are bis

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and igira dagger > nick of time

tall basalt
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And legs

balmy condor
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yeh sure but the tier legs vs non tier legs is actually just whatever

spice spire
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3 embellishments is cheating tho wtf

balmy condor
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so yhou can point out that stuff

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and be like well branch is better than ashes technically

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and sandglass is usually better than brand on shorter fights or with downtime, this is just one example

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and you want 2 nick of times ideally but a mythic igira

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but that's all nuance

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that you actually have to like think about and know

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now imagine someone else uses the same webpage, but instead of guy #1 who looked at it from "end boss = hardest boss = best"

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guy #2 is going "well all these fights have adds and damage amps and whatever, I'm gonna look at volcoross, that's a pure 100% uptime single target fight"

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double nick, branch, sandglass

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all the same nuance is lost, but in reverse

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there's a different cloak in there too

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why? because the fyrakk cloak is from smolderon

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and the volcoross one is from m+

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the most popular thing on volcoross won't be from a boss that comes after it

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but these are all things that actually require you to stop for even 15 seconds and think about it

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and that's too much to ask for most of the time

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you usually go into it looking for an answer

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"assa rogue trinket bis"

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you land on a webpage

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it spits out something

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you go "okay"

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and then close the tab

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that's 95% of the traffic on these pages

floral shoal
balmy condor
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cause at the top it says 84 total parses, and 38% of 84 is 32 parses

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cause it's saying 38% of all parses use it

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which is 32

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not 38% of 32 parses

floral shoal
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yeah

balmy condor
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which also should be obvious since the nick of time has 64 parses

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but ya know

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you look at it once and zap some numbers into your head

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and these pages thrive on that

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if you look at it a little deeper, it actually gets even weirder

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cause this part

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lucid silo
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who made whisp go on a tangent

balmy condor
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isn't even the most popular trinkets

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it's the most popular COMBO of trinkets

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cause if you look down a bit

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there's more witherbarks than ashes

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but there's more ashes + brands

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than any other combo

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and on top of all of that

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you get to the bottom of the page

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and the gall

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"sometimes you just want more data"

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after spitting out all of that

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is incredible

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anyway

frozen iris
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Anybody willing to go over logs with me? I will tip!

jaunty dew
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
halcyon arch
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!dagger

prisma monolithBOT
earnest remnant
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Ashes basegcat

grand niche
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Hey, I have a rogue in my guild who is having... not the best performance. He may not be the most chronic of die-ers but he just doesn't do much damage. I think it's a combo of some things wrong + his character not being optimized potentially (he can literally just upgrade his gear more if he plays the game but idk if there's another glaring issue with it) -- can someone pm me who wouldn't mind peeping logs or giving me some ideas on how to help him?...

balmy condor
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I'll take a quick check

stable juniper
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any youtube guides y'all would recommend for assa?

spice spire
stable juniper
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wow that's a lotta content thank you!

real stirrup
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+23 DHT not baaad

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upper breach
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is there a written out rotation specific to the cleave build or just follow what's on wowhead? sims seem to use envenom a lot in 5 target cleave but rupture usage seems erratic

keen spruce
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it's the same

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you just don't press tempest cuz you dont' have it

upper breach
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thanks babe

spice spire
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thanks babe

spice surge
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Np

runic hinge
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Thanks babe

dark token
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I need the TC peeps to come up with some ashes gains on sin

keen spruce
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i'd love to

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if i had one Madge

balmy condor
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kinda madge

spice spire
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Come on

keen spruce
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i just do heroic with my guild every week

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and it never drops

spice spire
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Krill issue innit

keen spruce
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and they wouldn't give it to me anyways cuz i have a myth track stick

spice spire
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Show them the pb memes

keen spruce
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oh tru i wasn't even in this guild when i made those

spice spire
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Mf hates actives

keen spruce
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surely that will get me all of the trinkets

spice spire
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That requires an ounce of work

keen spruce
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i like my stick

gaunt moat
spice spire
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Send pics tho

balmy condor
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lamestream media doesn't talk about shmeeps stick smh

sonic hollow
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was never an ass enjoyer throughout bfa or sneedolands and now i find myself liking it. what are some drawbacks it has compared to say outlaw

runic hinge
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No drawbacks. Best spec ever

sonic hollow
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it certainly does feel nice to play

magic sparrow
elfin haven
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so the latest nerfs were 20k less than my outlaw ST sims with less gear. is that normal for sin to be under 2k at 484 ilvl now/

gaunt moat
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maybe? I sim 214k with like 486ilvl

We're fighting a war against the nerfs.

bright turret
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It sims on the low end, but fight design still makes it one of the better boss damage specs for raiding

gaunt moat
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they nerf us, we get gear to get back to what we were before nerfs.

elfin haven
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480 outlaw 218k 198k with my sin 484.

bright turret
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198k is definitely low for 484, are you specced into splatter?

runic hinge
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Fight design too good for sin

magic sparrow
gaunt moat
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You're just built different. litterally.

magic sparrow
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Litchralay

spice spire
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198k is definitely low for 484.
220 at 483 pretty believable, if a little high

magic sparrow
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220 ~2k

dark token
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I'm 220 at 486

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244 on sub

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Rip sin

past forum
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i've been dabbling with sub and outlaw here and there but i just keep coming back to the ass

spice spire
magic sparrow
spice spire
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I’d never betray

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Fake fans in chat man

magic sparrow
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Hey now im progging on Council so Sin all the way

bright turret
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Don't like sub post rework, and none of the bosses this tier have tight DPS checks

spice spire
magic sparrow
balmy condor
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assa smolderon

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is based

spice spire
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Fake fan

keen spruce
spice spire
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Blocked, banned, muted

fallow canopy
spice spire
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All these fake sin mains out here

balmy condor
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assa smolderon is a rollercoaster of emotions, cause on pull you're doing big dick

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and then on intermission you disappear from meters

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and then you press 2mins

magic sparrow
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Sins fun, wish it didn't get nerfed buy I have the numbers sooooo

balmy condor
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and you're so back

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but then you disappear again on second intermission

bright turret
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i did more damage than the sub rogue on our smolderon kill, the secret is to just have him die early

balmy condor
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and then third intermission you ROAR back

magic sparrow
spice spire
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Ur so real for that

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Truly my goat

balmy condor
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it's like edging your raid leader, he can never truly tell if assa is a dogshit spec or not

spice spire
balmy condor
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what

magic sparrow
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What

spice spire
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I bet the doms blizzcon experience was wild

balmy condor
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I slept in a room with 2 evokers and they both snore like a cartoon dragon on a pile of gold

spice spire
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Wait two evokers? PogO

balmy condor
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yes

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they were giving me ebon might all night long

spice spire
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Nice

magic sparrow
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We can argue Sin over Sub all day but the real issues facing our beloved spec is what transmog do you run. Poisoner Mogs, Ninja Mogs, or Murder mogs (like this tiers mythic color)?

keen spruce
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we dont' even get to raid this week except our 4 boss reclear yesterday

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fking holidays man

dark token
balmy condor
spice spire
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I’m a set andy - Venthyr set minus hood with cursed vision and edge of nights

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Boring ass mf

magic sparrow
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Alright alright, solid ones!

limber lion
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Mythic Dashing Scoundrel was my go to

past forum
balmy condor
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the white mage tower recolor from tomb was gud too

quiet oar
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Cm Set all the way

limber lion
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With Blades of Hakkari

magic sparrow
spice spire
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Blade of hakkari PogO

royal lantern
spice spire
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A truly based

spice spire
royal lantern
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ldeees

limber lion
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One of the only daggers that sheathes on your back

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Bis

magic sparrow
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I'm a lover of the "doomblade" kinda set from Nighthold

balmy condor
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tryan either drunk or getting some banging head

magic sparrow
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😅

balmy condor
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only if both parties consented before inebriating themselves

spice spire
balmy condor
spice spire
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It’s too early to be unhinged king

keen spruce
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Hey Whispyr

quiet oar
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These are the negative effects of travelling with deutsche Bahn

spice spire
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I’m just now leaving work

keen spruce
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are you a cigarette?

balmy condor
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it's not unhinged quake, it's the law

keen spruce
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cuz I want to get you lit and put yo butt in my mouth

balmy condor
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drunk people don't want tea

spice spire
keen spruce
spice spire
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L bozo

keen spruce
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oh damn

quiet oar
keen spruce
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see i yoinked it and posted it somewhere else

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then i forgot that i got it from here

spice spire
keen spruce
runic hinge
gray hazel
balmy condor
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that one is archon

quiet oar
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Warcrsftlogs archon

balmy condor
quiet oar
runic hinge
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Shadowy and filled with K-pop

quiet oar
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And cum jokes

runic hinge
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Tbh a lot of horny posting in general

quiet oar
spice spire
old halo
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big sudden demise hit on boss XD

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gray hazel
balmy condor
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just random boss?

old halo
balmy condor
gray hazel
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Thanks!

balmy condor
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the warcraftlogs people

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they basically rub it in your face at every opportunity when you open wcl on the front page

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but in essence, u.gg, archon, subcreation

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it's all the same meaningless garble

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just presented differently

gray hazel
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Gotcha.

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U.gg is garbage right?

balmy condor
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they're all garbage

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u.gg just also happens to be run by a garbage company on top of it

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at the end of the day, it's all bad though, you either get stabbed with a bread knife or a butcher knife

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yeh the butcher knife is worse

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but you're still getting fucking stabbed

keen spruce
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They're like the epitome of "this information is technically correct" but often mislabeled, misleading, and generally completely worthless

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anything an aggregate site gives you could also just be gained by opening raider IO and looking at a top m+ run of your spec

balmy condor
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yeh

keen spruce
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like oh they took this this and this, close enough

balmy condor
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archon is the best of the bunch

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but that doesn't make them any good

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There’s still very big ??? Moments on archon

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Maybe there’s a world where the beta banner on archon ends up being a “we’ll remove misleading data and try to present things more clearly and take feedback on the site into account”

tall basalt
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Mage tower reskin for kingslayers is 10/10, too bad you can’t get it anymore

balmy condor
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But I think realistically it’s gonna end up being “it’s in beta because we’re working on adding a couple more sections of useless data no one asked for”

blazing jewel
magic sparrow
balmy condor
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It’s just a list of cooldown usages

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Which isn’t inherently disruptive

spice surge
blazing jewel
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Wow AUG SUCKS

quiet oar
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This is clearly a good example

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For nerfing sin further and buffing law and sub

earnest remnant
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nerf outlaw

blazing jewel
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Buff BM too

quiet oar
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True buff bm

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Buff dh

blazing jewel
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That’s Eleems favorite spec

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He loves the complexity and intense theory crafting of it

spice spire
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Nerf DN

runic hinge
hexed willow
spice spire
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Demon nerds (hunters)

past forum
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Death-narc

little summit
lean portal
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you have soo much crit

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this cant be the only reason but your stats are a bit goofy

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other than that im sry i guess im not good at looking at logs XD i cant see anything rly wrong

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i guess thats the fate of the non-pi sins

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scary af

bright turret
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honestly dont see any giant knowledge gaps, but percentile isn't gonna help you much since you aren't getting PI'd, and its going gto compare you to rogues that were unnerfed and getting PI

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there's some small stuff like CP waste, but like I said not huge problems

little summit
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So I can tell my raid that the experts of the field demand I get PI? 🤔 Cause I'm okay with that

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And yes lots of crit

lean kite
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The only thing is your KB casts seem a bit low even if you're not getting PI.

lean portal
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try to become friends with your priest

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i recommend

storm forum
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yeah no externals is whatever, but you have a lot of overcapping on CP

lean portal
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then you can argue that pi on bm is not that goooood i think its almost as good on assa huuh

lean kite
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Yeah. PI will be a big boost. And make sure you're playing your witherbark trinket right so that it's fully juiced for the back half of KB

storm forum
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kind of unlucky on wafting procs

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but cant control that

lean kite
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Otherwise yeah, I don't see anything glaring. Swap crit for mastery, otherwise yup. The fate of not getting PI is your ilvl parses will be low

woeful meteor
lean portal
lucid scroll
lean portal
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i still get it with my group cause its almost same thing and priest likes me XD

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but its a joke

lean kite
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Yeah, I get it for mine too but our BM hunter just....isn't that great.

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...not that I am, but still

little summit
lean portal
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your second use of branch is rly good tho

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almost pixel perfect

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the first one is bad

lean kite
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I actually use mine at the start of Deathmark. There's a weakaura to help track the timers and orb collection

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I make sure I get the last orb about 7 seconds after the 2nd with KB at about 8'ish seconds

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So if you do it at DM, you should be getting the last orb right around when you're refreshing shiv

urban grail
little summit
lucid scroll
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@little summit

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storm forum
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you're ambushing too much

little summit
lean portal
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yeah you take 2 instantly and take the 3d one about 7s later

storm forum
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you can finish on 4

lean portal
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this is exactly what you should do

storm forum
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and it helps a lot

woeful meteor
storm forum
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but disregarding seal fate, you lost 21 CP, which is ~3-5 finishers

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????

little summit
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Good points, that's a lot of finishers.

storm forum
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they wasted 12 CP from ambushes, thats definitely too much ambush

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some number of ambushes should have been finishers instead

woeful meteor
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ignoring the pressing ambush when you should finish, unlike during ptr pressing ambush when you can is correct and no more mut during KB being better

storm forum
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oh yeah

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forgot that was a thing to ignore procs (on ptr*)

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wait

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whispyr's typing right after i said something and i dont like this

orchid flume
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Does anyone have advice for keeping uptime on Fyrakk since this is what I assume is leading to a drop in my DPS

storm forum
orchid flume
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The leap thing is pretty solid actually

little summit
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Ty to all for input, super helpful stuff!

orchid flume
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I think I’m panicking too much especially on fyrak and tindral since I notice I’ve been doing a lot worse than I usually do

storm forum
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Also I stopped using the signet trinket on heroic fyrrak, sometimes we kill adds too quick and we sit there for like 25+ seconds waiting for him to come down with nothing to hit.

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and the stacks reset

orchid flume
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So signet is just suboptimal on the fight

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Would pips branch be better ?

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Or hourglass ?

storm forum
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i thought signet was supposed to be good on the fight, but im going to wait for whispyr to finish to ask him

dark token
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What

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Fyrakk is signets best fight in the tier

bright turret
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assuming its mythic fyrakk, 10 min fight is good for cata

spice surge
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If youre wiping in p1 signet is obv not the best trinket, but for the fight overall its very very good

dark token
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Even on heroic it's like a 8-9 min fight lol

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Depends on group

balmy condor
# little summit I feel like I'm slacking on pure ST fights in raid. Like doing something really ...

stats look fine idk what the dude earlier yappin bout, minor stuff to think about here

pic 1, that's a wasted gcd of dance and crit and nightstalker and allat. Shiv suck big donkey cock don't do that.

pic 2, got a couple of uncharacteristicly small gaps in your envenom uptime, but your energy indicates you probably shouldn't have done that. Gotta be diligent on the pooling here. The ratio looks okay, but definitely some odd stuff going on with those gaps. Remember that if it drops you pool back up and then start a new chain.

pic 3, L wafting

pic 4, branch didn't cover the kingsbane during opener, kind of an issue like some other people mentioned

pic 5, similar problem but in reverse for your 2 mins, that's a huge overhang, so you lost quite of damage during your deathmark from not having the orbs. It got the end of the kingsbane, so that's good, but kingsbane isn't the end all

pic 6, also already mentioned, we finish on 4cp, 5cp specifically for the envenom before a deathmark. Some seal fate overcap should happen naturally, but within like single digits. Shouldn't be seeing overcap on anything else ideally.

pic 7, don't rupture here if you're gonna drop envenom like that, just get a fat envenom and rupture after so you can cover the whole kingsbane. Also never double tea back to back like that either. Use the charge on kingsbane at the end, use the other charges spread out to help you pool and keep your chain going.

pic 8, the vanish is too early, you missed the MA window on the last tick, same rupture/envenom thing,

also 4:10 kill time is giga bad, killing it in like 3:40 would've basically been 10k dps on the spot, killing it slightly slower would've been even better so you could get off another cooldown sequence and go farm a second nick you luckernoob 489 nick vault haver

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damn, shaigos really did a yap reading back over it

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crazy

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anyway signet good

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but not in heroic

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fights too short

near osprey
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
mellow juniper
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Whats the command for log review?

balmy condor
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there is none

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we just do it when we have time, and I had a free minute at work :)

spice spire
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Rawdog it

balmy condor
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quake haven't you suffered enough

spice spire
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No

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I still have a will

balmy condor
mellow juniper
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here ya go, if you want to go for it

lean portal
storm forum
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Wowee

lean portal
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i just saw the orbs be 1 1 7 and was like wow wp

balmy condor
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yeh was more like 3 1 8

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close

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but kinda yikes

lean portal
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yeah i mean 2 + 1 7s after

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but ofc if you miss 3s of deathmark

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not that good after all

balmy condor
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bit more than that

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bout 6 seconds after

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that green is kingsbane btw

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not deathmark

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so with deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane

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the first orb should've been on shiv, the second on kingsbane

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so the kingsbane hits at 2:12, the deathmark was 2:10

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first orb was lets be generous, 2:14

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then 2:15

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then 2:22

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so we're looking at 4/1/7

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which is uh

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kinda late

lean portal
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ye its bad

balmy condor
#

reading logs good practice though

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props for giving it a whirl

lean portal
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^^

spice spire
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@balmy condor mf actually Jesus saving my ass on god

storm forum
little summit
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I'm honored to be an example 🫡

storm forum
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I'm not smart enough to go more in depth than that

little summit
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Of what not to do

mellow juniper
storm forum
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Also, maybe tea use a bit too generous early imo. I like to not dip below 1 charge until execute. I don't think this matters at all, but I wanna pick Whispyr's brain about it if he sees this. In execute sometimes you actually just get too much energy cause of increased blindside procs so you cant get value from extra teas so don't worry about it.

lean portal
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its such a big deal

mellow juniper
storm forum
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OL ST is very competitive this tier

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if you think you can play it better than sass ST

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then I think you swap

balmy condor
#

normally it's like:

  1. use shiv during kingsbane
  2. you didn't vanish at all
little summit
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I appreciate the nitpicks, that's how I'm gonna really shine. We got some strong players in our group and I wanna compete with them. And beat the other rogue 🤔

storm forum
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i have nightmares about 80 wasted CP log

balmy condor
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my favorite is arguing with boomers about how vanish should be a defensive cooldown

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and I'm sitting here like idk man

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I don't make the game

storm forum
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what does vanish even defend against?

balmy condor
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I just say vanish button do damage

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press it

little summit
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There's a lot of M+ stuff that just won't hit you if you vanish at the right spot.

storm forum
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vanish loses us defensiveness cause it drops recup right?

little summit
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Dunno when you would use it defensively in raid though. Maybe the javelin cast from aerwynn on council?

storm forum
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soothing darkness makes it an extra crimson vial i guess?

balmy condor
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even in m+ it's such a niche thing

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90% of the time the mechanics just re-target someone else

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or you have to gamble and pre-vanish and hope it targets you like a pre-cloak

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shit is jank as hell

runic hinge
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I use vanish all the time to make mechanics target someone else

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I did it in my AD for portal and had the dot go on the ret so she could bubble it off

wraith cosmos
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vanish at most to drop out of combat if a wipe happens to save yourself 5 seconds...but if you wanna look at it that way, using it to do dmg would save you more than 5 seconds probably

desert inlet
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vanishing to survive a wipe so you can say everyone else is trash

lean portal
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defensive vanish in m+ is so broken ye

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but in raid i cant remember one single time where it would be useful

dark token
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In m+ vanish is quite good this season

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Maybe stronger than dwarf

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I was considering night elf for sin m+ push

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Both to use it defensively on bosses and for more restealths on trash

dark token
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The spider boss in voti as well, remove slow debuff, but less useful

river cipher
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Hunters being taken over rogue for keys is fucking egregious

rustic hornet
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ya'll go double wafting for m+?

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or just double sophic?

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sims say double wafting for 1 target

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but sophic for 5 target

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im conflicted

dark token
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I go 1 sophic 1 wafting

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Compromise :)

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Also that's because it's what dslice tells me is bis

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Just sim dslice for m+

balmy prairie
#

Hey guys i just startet wow und with it rogue, im constantly looking for improvement but i think i play rogue completly false in single target.
I often find myself with no energy, so i just pool before kingsbane window. Or should i stay aboth 50% energy most if the time?

I know its a dumb question but i think i play assa completly wrong :/ and got no rogue in my fl who can help me

gaunt moat
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@balmy prairie
Assassination does suffer for windows which it will lack energy.
And some abilities do work with excess of energy (Sanguine Blades)
Or other abilities create a "damage window" where you would want a lot of energy (kingsbane)
And on top of that, the 4set bonus rewards being able to envenom during envenom, which requires enough energy.

Whispyr's about 2-3 videos on youtube about pooling energy as assassination, when and if you should do it.

But in general:
You don't have to above 50% all the time, consider that a bonus.
Pool to about 80% only when you can't continue a chain of envenom into envenom.

misty holly
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Need an addon to make it impossible to spend energy if it would make you go below half. Permanent Sanguine uptime 🤤

keen spruce
slate crown
sullen quest
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Is there currently a bug that makes you skip a GCD right around when the first shiv ends and you go for the second?

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Or has anyone else noticed this

balmy condor
#

What

storm forum
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that might be Shadow Dance ending, sometimes it causes a problem if you try to ambush there. Should only affects ambush/mut though

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like you skip half a gcd cause the server and your local client cant agree if youre in stealth or not

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should not affect you pressing shiv though

azure basalt
#

Isn’t there that spell qing setting too if you have bad ping

sullen quest
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it's the last gcd before the second shiv

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that suddenly disappears

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the shiv following is perfectly fine

sullen quest
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this is a game issue

storm forum
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yeah, just get an extra keybind and press mut there

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thats what i said id do but i always forget it

azure basalt
#

I shouldn’t have said just bad ping but there’s a setting that also affects spell qing in general

sullen quest
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yeah I did get one of those already, just gotta get used to using it

storm forum
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and just live with losing that half gcd

sullen quest
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mine is already on 400ms

azure basalt
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You’re a maniac playing wow on 400 ping

sullen quest
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I like to press buttons once or twice per GCD, not 50 times, spellqueue 400 is good for that

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I'm on 4ms

sullen quest
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Because that missed GCD just creates this needless clunk that feels insanely bad

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Wonder if it would be possible to macro mutilate into ambush with a conditional, probably not

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That's the old riposte macro and I think they broke that tech in like WOTLK

storm forum
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some people tried that and it doesnt work

sullen quest
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figured

storm forum
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like, the macro works normally, but the half gcd from dance ending still happens

sullen quest
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oh I see

storm forum
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i think the macros are evaluated client side, so there's still a discrepency with the server

balmy condor
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That’s just the stance swapping yeh

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Two ways to fix it

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Method 1, put mutilate on a different button and queue that

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Method 2, shrugFreg

storm forum
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lmao

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just live with it dracthyr_shrug

sullen quest
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KB starts at 7 seconds of shiv remaining, so if you shiv at 0.5 that means it'l last 14.5 seconds no

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so you're still good for the entirity of KB without really losing anything

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(?)

storm forum
#

i think so

balmy condor
#

My eyes glazed over for a couple minutes

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It ain’t really that deep

sullen quest
#

It's janky as fuck and actively unfun, not deep

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It kills the flow

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And it's not noticeable if you're a button spammer most likely

keen spruce
#

it's very noticable

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as a button spammer

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cuz i'm spammin

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and nothin happens

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but also idc

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cuz there's 700 casters and 53 frontals murdering me and my friends and i'm trying to avoid all of that and pick up my magic orbs that fell out of my stick just trying to do 2/3rd of the damage of the DH in my group so I get invited to the next key

sullen quest
#

ah is it

earnest remnant
sullen quest
pseudo hamlet
#

Two questions:

  1. Is there any guide which trinkets/trinkets combinations are best for each boss encounter?
  2. Totally hypothetically: which 2 passive trinkets would've been best? I guess the ones which sims highest, but I am wondering if anyone actually calculated that for the lolz?
sleek cypress
#

thought im doing ok, but wtf just 16% ilvl parse

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gaunt moat
balmy condor
pseudo hamlet
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Thank you guys! happy_holiday_pepe

neat plank
#

i bricked a bunch of throne +24 keys today ;/

#

spec feels too hard for me when there's too much stuff going on

keen spruce
#

Fridays are brickmas

neat plank
#

i get tilted and just do everything wrong

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mob starts casting something i click and kick the wrong mob

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i wanna do my ramp, i notice i somehow didnt even cast KB

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its just crazy

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in low keys i'm chill and play well

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i actually feel sick from the stress right now :p

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i think its time to level aug

keen spruce
#

well the feeling sick from stress

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is what's makin you make mistakes

neat plank
#

how can I overcome that :p

keen spruce
#

keys should just be a vibee

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idk don't invest too much your self evaluation of skill or worth to timing keys

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there's like

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4 ways a key can get times

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timed

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and like 10000 ways it can get bricked

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IO shouldn't be an expectation, it should be a tasty morsel after a lot of luck and hard work

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as far as getting your buttons correct. idk just reps

neat plank
#

;/

keen spruce
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i know like on EB first pull

weary badger
#

hi is cataclysmic trink good on fyrakk?

keen spruce
#

my CDs don't matter

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so juts get a shit ton of garrotes out

weary badger
#

like does the stack fall off when he changes phase?

keen spruce
#

and look for stuff to kick or stun

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on throne

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I stay in stealth passed the first pack

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garrote the caster

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then get to the sentinel as soon as my tank hits it

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and just like

balmy condor
keen spruce
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idk blast on it

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i pop evasion as like my 5th global

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in case a doggie fixates me

weary badger
keen spruce
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and just get up in there and slap it

balmy condor
neat plank
#

the thing is, I do have the milage and knowledge of dungeons, the problem is stuff falls apart because of stress

keen spruce
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and don't worry about kicking shit until

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you have your CDs rolling

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like just know that you're not kicking for like 5 globals

neat plank
#

yeah that helps

keen spruce
#

fire mages have been doin it to us for years

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but yeah idk stress is a self induced pain. just gotta take a deep breath, take a step back and look at what's actually goin on

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just stabbin pixels

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also like

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there's good stress and bad stress

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there's like the "oo that was a close one, heart is racing, let's keep it clean" in the zone kind of anime protaganist stress

neat plank
#

yeah im having the really bad stress

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😛

keen spruce
#

then there like "fuck fuck fuck i'm gonna die and this group is gonna call me slurs" stress

neat plank
#

im not excited, i'm panicked

keen spruce
#

just uh

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don't do that

neat plank
#

😛

keen spruce
pseudo hamlet
sullen quest
#

sounds like it's just a muscle memory issue

mortal jewel
#

is there any guide for sod best weapon at main and off hand pvp build

sullen quest
#

what's a sod

mortal jewel
#

season of discovery

lucid scroll
#

wrong disc g

sullen quest
#

ah classic+?

mortal jewel
#

oww my friend linked me the site so that'S why I typed sry guys

drifting cloud
#

yeah this discord is mostly retail, not sure what the best one for sod is

near osprey
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
arctic hare
#

Hmm

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ember of nullification is actually simming pretty high for me.

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not much higher than trinkets of the same 489 ilvl,

lucid scroll
#

yeah, same for me, if youre low on vers its actually a decent trinket

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the interupts are kinda nice in m+ as well, kicks like 4 or 5 a dungeon

sand burrow
#

Anyone have a good updated guide for Sin? Just swapped back over, due to some dank drops from raid last night. Haven't touched it since 10.2.5 launch.

drifting cloud
#

wowhead, icyveins

sand burrow
#

Yeah, i checked em. Icy is alys so short, with such little theory behind it heh.

past forum
brazen sonnet
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
sand burrow
#

What's the details behind the spreadsheet? I don't understand sims to be frank.

lean portal
#

be more precise

#

what are you not understanding

sand burrow
#

I assume it's showing theoretical max dps with max ilvl bis gear. But I also don't see any of that info on there, so it reads as number go up for this build, with little context...which is what I'm missing

dry chasm
#

for the wrist crafted what i choose from them?

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winter gale
#

With Cruel Dreamcarver I need extra Cheat Death and that's it?

spice surge
#

You can pick whichever buff you prefer, neither of them are particularly impactful

#

Its not a cheat death btw, its "heal when you drop below 20%"

dry chasm
#

name of the gem for the wrist? (revive one)

past forum
#

For Dreamcarver, you pick whichever buff gets you to pop open lfg and spam Galikrond’s Fall til you get 2x Nick

royal python
#

during KB, should we avoid using ambush and only mutilate ? for extra poison proc chance

lethal vector
#

pretty sure ambush replaces mutilate when it procs

strong temple
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
winter gale
#

Guys, I play sub for Smolderon. Can I, without losing alot, play assa for last 2 bosses?

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Or is sub much better option for those two?

quiet oar
#

On Tindral sub is better

#

On fyrakk you can probsbly play whatever spec you enjoy Most

deft vault
#

Assa still viable on tindral tho

quiet oar
#

Viable Yeah

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But its like smolderon

#

Sub is just better

edgy musk
#

outside of indiscriminate carnage should I be applying garrote and rupture to every target one by one? im coming from feral so the stealth window to spread is a bit unusal for me

jaunty dew
spice spire
#

Why is your sim so low at 484 PogO

magic sparrow
#

Crit gems all day baby

spice spire
#

Oh no buffs

jaunty dew
#

Yeah it's just a pure char sim

spice spire
#

You can just use the “training dummy” option kekdog

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Anyway

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Top gear into gem swaps

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That’ll give you the answer you seek, every profile is different

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🫡

magic sparrow
#

He's right, it can tell you to run Crit/mastery gems and then if you swap 2 items out it will be crit/vers gems.

quiet oar
#

Quake is so versatile

jaunty dew
#

Yeah it's annoying when I play musical gems xD

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Jus ttry

spice spire
jaunty dew
#

This is my current stats

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spice spire
spice spire
quiet oar
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

jaunty dew
magic sparrow
spice spire
#

This also applies to me madgeClap

jaunty dew
# spice spire

Haha yeah I know, just wanted to know if maybe I was missing something

magic sparrow
#

I have like 7 rings so I just don't have to swap gems, I can swap rings and cloaks

spice spire
#

Nah

#

It’s worth if it’s a massive swing.
But if you’re doing 300 dps? Nah - trinkets and other gear stats change the minutia of stat gems a lot

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So the safer option is to just say “do it yourself or have someone help you check” there’s no real general rule

jaunty dew
#

Figured as much

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I will say that having more base haste is nice for the energy regen

near valley
#

The best stats are the friends you make along the way

magic sparrow
past forum
#

If it’s close to margin of error I gem vers cause I’m greedy and sample a bite of every non-lethal mechanic

past forum
# spice spire

What gems will help me recoup the damage lost from not getting regular restealths?

#

The wowhead bis list doesn’t match what I saw on u.gg, time to argue with theorycrafters in discord

void mesa
#

BiS list arguments got me like

spice spire
past forum
void mesa
past forum
#

How much haste do I need before I can even spec sin?

#

I have 12% vers, am I allowed to play sin or am I condemned to outlaw?

magic sparrow
distant cliff
#

potentially stupid question: Does Dethmark duplicate Kingsbane?

#

deathmark

slim hamlet
#

no

past forum
shy pecan
magic sparrow
dark token
spice spire
spice spire
feral mason
#

timing a key is 0% either it doesnt happen or it doesnt happen

magic sparrow
spice spire
spice spire
magic sparrow
spice spire
arctic tusk
#

is pips or hourglass better in m+

magic sparrow
feral mason
magic sparrow
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F

feral mason
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wasnt expecting to time 29 regardless

spice spire
feral mason
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but everything under that was ROUGH

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imagine pulling double bear pack before 1st boss on a 27

magic sparrow
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Assuming youre a rogue yeah idk why you would. Skip that nonsense

spice spire
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Need 150% trash tbh

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Gotta show dominance

magic sparrow
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Big tiddy energy! Love it

past forum
void mesa
past forum
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Damn ur right, krill issue i guess

void mesa
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I see fury warriors breaking keyboards and doing more dmg with the more anger they use

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Just be toxic and KB will crit more

nova flax
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Pussy

void mesa
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Holy shit thats spicy tech

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I need to coerce my tank into doing it

feral mason
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but a bug has actually been causing this

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On multiple 27 attempts

void mesa
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Pull double bear into boss, send lust and full spatter cleave it

feral mason
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still no clue whats doing it

past forum
feral mason
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just 20s into boss the two bears pull up with tank aggro

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even when nobody is near

void mesa
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That sounds very huh

Sad starege

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Just like how half of WM first wing pulls outta nowhere everytime I have a pally in my groups

feral mason
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nah dont care that much

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this season is just a bit buggy

void mesa
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Really is yeah

feral mason
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and they’re not doing that much to fix it now of course

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holidays and that

void mesa
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Easier keys -> make em bugged out

mighty cloud
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Hi guys I'm new on rogue and I got question about Caustic Spatter. Do I must keep only on one target or must I use it on all target with rupture ? I talk about "Tab => Mutilate, Tab => Mutilate. Someone can help me, cause I don't know how to increase my aoe dps

magic sparrow
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One target.

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Use Fan once to get poisons out though

turbid harbor
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If you mutilate a target with rupture and a poison applied it will apply caustic spatter, if you do that to a second target caustic spatter will move to that target

mighty cloud
turbid harbor
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So you can only have it on 1 target at once

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Yes, you can apply more bleeds but you want to get most of those out with the bleed spreading talent out of stealth

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Get bleeds out, apply caustic spatter to the highest health enemy then fan and envenom, use cds if it’s high enough hp

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Applying bleeds is much easier out of stealth or with vanish and shadow dance with IC, talent at the bottom

subtle gyro
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I also have a question. Been away from the game since mid S2, and getting back into the swing of things. Question...does CS also splash a portion on KB to other targets as well or?

royal lantern
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yes

turbid harbor
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If you use Kingsbane you want to keep attacking that target to stack it properly, and ensure caustic spatter is up so the damage cleaves

echo junco
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do you guys swap any talents at all between keys?

subtle gyro
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Perfect, thanks all 🙂

deep raven
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
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And no

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If I think a build is better for x over y, yeah I’ll swap

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But it’s user pov tbh

echo junco
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Bleed is nice for lower keys but in 23-24+

wind dune
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cleave build goes hard for a dungeon like rise where the dungeons alot more single target then aoe. Alot of prio mobs in that dungeon

spice spire
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There’s like 5 standard builds

echo junco
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i'm playing this in every key

lean portal
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only time i play bleed is when i do 18 with guild rerolls

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single target is so valuable this season i feel like

echo junco
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bleed is way more fun, but our single is shit after the blindside nerf in bleed

raven flower
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question, should I apply poisons in a certain order because of that application chance?

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junior yoke
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56th run

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I got a gloves xddddddd

fleet pagoda
junior yoke
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I mean this is a joke I'm prettty sure

void mesa
magic sparrow
raven flower
junior yoke
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how can I have 56 runs here

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have like 20 loot

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and nothing is tthe thing I nede with only 5 loot posibilities

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is this well done?

void mesa
magic sparrow
junior yoke
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I had bad luck on vault as well

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I'm geting ttired T.T

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congrats btw

dark token
lean portal