it's just branch jail, I was coping myself I might get myth embersoul
#assassination
static glacier
dark token
Boots for sub bis
static glacier
Boots for sub bis
can't drop thorn boots til next spark
static glacier
either way, some gaming gems / switching helm fixes it
dark token
What did you craft?
static glacier
boots + bracers + 2x ring
static glacier
highkey
dark token
I recrafted wrist and 1 ring to bsl
static glacier
the bis list for sub is fake
dark token
And equip 483 boots
static glacier
!fuu
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dark token
I mean those are the bis statted boots for sub
You could craft 486 boots that are worse but
Yeah
static glacier
not even crafting boots
dark token
Anyway just tossing that as an option
static glacier
you'd just run a mastery heavy item in a place where the list prioritises a non mastery stat
dark token
For sub?
static glacier
ye this is sub talk
dark token
You run mastery vers in every stat
If you can
There is no non mastery gear now except tier
dark token
Also I prioritise bis items over sockets
Socket I can get any week
Bis item you won't see for months again maybe
Short term socket DPS gain doesn't matter
That's why I took 489 vers/mast neck over the socket this week
Even tho it's 300 DPS loss
I can pick it up next week
dark token
But crafted slightly better
static glacier
can just pay for socket 489
speaking of which time to see if socketed helm price's gone down. been waiting to buy it
dark token
Eh bsl helm is slightly better than bsl wrist for sub
Go volocross wrist
Crafted helm over boe
Not much better but it's cheaper for sure
static glacier
now I check the OL profile, seems to be needing a lot of haste
gaunt sigil
I’ve been simming and it’s been wanting me around 27% haste
Before I got branch and was using ashes it was around 18%
static glacier
ever simmed wafting vs sophic with / without it
gaunt sigil
I haven’t no
static glacier
on sin / sub / enh it really shows
how much the trinket likes haste or just gcds i think
it's why I think fury's gain from it is so high, they cap its stacks quicker
gaunt sigil
I think it stacks just faster with haste but it’s crazy to seen the gains between haste specs and non haste specs
vast loom
Hey im about to start tindral prog, i noticed that tindral prog is pretty mixed with Sub/Sin rogues what are the reasons to play either?
spice spire
Hey im about to start tindral prog, i noticed that tindral prog is pretty mixed ...
Sin does final phase boss dam.
Sub more balanced and deals a bit of aoe.
Afaik that’s the big split
vast loom
okay okay, what about like the flying timing? do they both prefer the same assignments there?
spice spire
Major reason for some is Acro
Skill issue tbh
thorn fjord
Skill issue tbh
Qol is qol
subtle tundra
Sin does final phase boss dam.
Sub more balanced and deals a bit of aoe.
Afaik t...
sub is just better on tindral
cause dmg in p1 == dmg in p3
spice spire
cause dmg in p1 == dmg in p3
Yeah but people are hard stuck on the execute notion
slate crown
3/3/3 = wait 3 sec, then wait 3 sec, then wait 3 sec. that gives you full uptime 9 seconds into death mark, and 3 stacks for the final 7 seconds of kb
subtle tundra
yea and damage in p1 also helps there
spice spire
Literally why guy played it instead of sub
spice spire
More damage does indeed equal more damage
spice spire
I didn’t say the absolute truth. I just stated the logic for the split
slate crown
Also idn 
I just literally took the string and made all the permutations and threw it at the robot and that's what I got
subtle tundra
i would've 100% played sub instead of assa, even before second nerf. just didnt want to play sub
spice spire
I just reran and 1/1/7 simmed 67 dps better
vast loom
is sub strong enough that if i feel like im worse at sub that its worth playing? i felt like on smoldy i just did more dmg as sub even if i was playing it a bit worse
wicked valve
I have a question for all you ass mains; What transmog do yall slappon your daggers?
spice spire
I don’t think sub for tind is smoldy level
spice spire
I have a question for all you ass mains; What transmog do yall slappon your dagg...
Edge of night
slate crown
I have a question for all you ass mains; What transmog do yall slappon your dagg...
I like the Terros dagger tmog
subtle tundra
I don’t think sub for tind is smoldy level
ofc not, but it is better than assa
and saying it isnt is pure cope
spice spire
Not in my heart bozo
vast loom
i might try out both tonight and see how it goes
spice spire
🫡
woeful meteor
I have a question for all you ass mains; What transmog do yall slappon your dagg...
Edge of Night or the Dark Kyrian Daggers
wicked valve
EoN an early favorite. I'm partial to the Red Ghostblades. I've had them for so long, sheating daggers anywhere other than my back feels awful.
past forum
honestly the nick appearance has been pretty fine for me lately
and its a visual reminder of all the time i spent grinding that dungeon, watching DHs loot Double Time in my face
teal elk
electrowing dagger LFR appearance or the blue Kingslayers 😄
runic hinge
I’m using leggo daggers because I’m basic af
sullen quest
3/3/3 = wait 3 sec, then wait 3 sec, then wait 3 sec. that gives you full uptime...
Ok now I have 2 complete opposite answers of what those numbers actually mean and I don't know anymore what's right lol
So its not time to pick up each of the 3 orbs individually, it is time between pickups as I assumed initially 🤔
balmy condor
Isn’t that the same thing
sullen quest
No, assuming 3/3/3, which could either mean at 0 you do nothing, 3 you pick up 1 orb, 6 you pick up the second and 9 the third. VS at 0 you do nothing at 3 you pick up all 3
sullen quest
Yes that's why I assumed the former
pine dew
someone got tipps for council
sullen quest
But I got told that's wrong
balmy condor
But I got told that's wrong
By fucking who lmao
sullen quest
The other person in the conversation
balmy condor
It’s written in plain English in the wowhead guide
sullen quest
Anyway, with the former the results make way more sense
balmy condor
someone got tipps for council
Hit the boss
spice spire
Me because I wasn’t reading 
spice spire
My bad
lean portal
someone got tipps for council
look wc logs builds
bright turret
volunteer to be perma duck and then use that as an excuse
lean portal
take the dot spread talent (idk the name) and go big on pull
and then chill
jump around
sullen quest
But then how do you sim picking up all 3 orbs within like a second of eachother after 6 or so seconds, at that point they're so close together than you can do it in like 0.5s
balmy condor
6/0/0
sullen quest
but I was told 0 is impossible
spice spire
0 is impossible
slate crown
0 is impossible for first
spice spire
Like 0/0/0
sullen quest
right
spice spire
Which is what I read into
spice spire
But if I’d had an ounce of realization. 2/1/7 wouldn’t have been an option on the way I showed it
sullen quest
I'd be curious to see 6/1/0 or 6/1/1
lean portal
<@323858702031519744> Would Ashes be better?
i dont think ashes is ever better if you can manage the orbs (and you can on this boss)
but maybe im wrong
balmy condor
Simming 6/0/0 is irrelevant anyway cause it’s just really fucking bad
spice spire
Don’t work and do things kids
lean portal
i just never consider ashes cause i have 489 branch
sullen quest
Simming 6/0/0 is irrelevant anyway cause it’s just really fucking bad
That was more to shift it towards the latter half and end of KB
You think that's way worse than having it for like 75% of KB but not the last bit?
sullen quest
I understand
balmy condor
You think that's way worse than having it for like 75% of KB but not the last bi...
Well this is obviously even worse
sullen quest
That's what I thought
balmy condor
Not having it for the first half of Deathmark is awful
Not having it for the end of kb is even awfully
Just
sullen quest
That's basically 1/1/1 and 1/1/2
visual prairie
how do i sim 1/tankmoved/never
sullen quest
how do i sim 1/tankmoved/never
balmy condor
I actually lowkey hate you guys
sullen quest
I'm not asking for what to do
I'm simply curious about this specific hypothetical scenario
The one where you can't fucking see your balls ever because of all the shit on the screen
I hate not seeing my balls
sullen quest
I'm not!
lean portal
there are weakauras for balls
sullen quest
weakauras that make you see balls?
balmy condor
I don’t look at balls
lean portal
like 3 dots on your screen that disappear when you take balls
balmy condor
You just run the figure 7
lean portal
its not too great but it helps me a lot
balmy condor
Last one just hits you
sullen quest
yea the last one is fairly easy, the movement speed is predictable
balmy condor
If you can’t pick up orbs consistently the trinket is dead and you play ashes
spice spire
You just run the figure 7
What if I 1/4/2 it tho
sullen quest
I'm the only person who's ever been in a situation in m+ where I press trinket and I literally can't see any of the balls on the floor?
really?
lean portal
happens to me all the time
sullen quest
You're all acting like this is not a thing
visual prairie
if you use roman numerals run the figure upside down 50
royal lantern
I don’t look at balls
you said something different last night
sullen quest
lean portal
I'm the only person who's ever been in a situation in m+ where I press trinket a...
get a weakaura for branch and try to play with it, it will help you in these scenarios
spice spire
But 
lean portal
and sometimes balls go in frontal or something well you just lose some dmg whatever
balmy condor
You're all acting like this is not a thing
they spawn in the same place every time, you run up+right, straight left, and it gets you 2 orbs without looking
It’s complete muscle memory
You don’t have to look at anything
sullen quest
Yeah I'm not at that point yet
balmy condor
Skill issue
sullen quest
Yeah
spice spire
Toxic mf
slate crown
Oh whispyr answered what I was typing so I’ll just say balls balls balls balls
sullen quest
I have not yet touched as many balls in life
spice spire
God I wish I had
sullen quest
I'ts never too late
balmy condor
Rule is basically if you can grab orbs, branch good. If you suck at the game, branch is unplayable
Even just picking up all 3 instantly means you play ashes tbh
sullen quest
According to Ensc's sim you'd have to fuck up pretty fucking hard to hit the 2k+ dps loss that would push you towards ashes
sounds almost impossible, or rather, it'd have to be deliberate
Atleast for me it's roughly 2k atm
past forum
idk im not very good at the game at all and i still manage to get within 2s of ideal orb grabbing time even at my worst
sullen quest
like whispyr said it's just muscle memory, I hadn't even picked up on the fact that the pattern is the same every time yet
past forum
aside from seal fate and blindside the entire opener could be done with eyes closed
sullen quest
not wrong
slate crown
Blindside?
sullen quest
in m+ build
slate crown
Press da button
visual prairie
it's right there in the name
past forum
doesnt ambush give 1 more combo point assuming no crit?
sullen quest
runic hinge
Extra combo points with ambush tho
balmy condor
Ambush is 2, +crit is 1 is 3
You just always double generate
And you can do it with your eyes closed
past forum
huh....i dunno why i thought....ambush gave 3
past forum
splendid
but yeah the bigger point i was making is that rotation very scripted, punch dummy til you can turn off brain
vast loom
is lorgs just broken rn?
balmy condor
Looks fine to me
spice spire
You look fine to me
vast loom
D: i cant get it to work at all for me lol
balmy condor
D: i cant get it to work at all for me lol
Can’t get it to work how
vast loom
might just restart chrome rq
past forum
lol at all the Gnarlroot parses where they got the prepull PI
vast loom
huh weird its still not working
subtle tundra
guys im raiding with no pi/ no windfury, youre welcome im bringing down the dps for y'all
ancient kraken
and you stick with assa?
subtle tundra
ofc
ancient kraken
subtle tundra
i dont care anymore, prog is over
(didnt care before either)
though i do wish to reroll from rogue
maybe play a healer
woeful meteor
Varas Healer Arc 
subtle tundra
i really want to try it atleast a bit seriously
spice spire
Which healer would you play?
subtle tundra
definetly not druid, the only one ive tried before
monk seems hit or miss if its good or not
pala and priest i dont have any leveled character so its rougher
muted ridge
pine dew
!pooling
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TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
pine dew
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
proven carbon
quick question
in a situation where i get to 4 cp immediately on first builder should I build again to get 5+ or just pool until envenom?
i'm not sure if this can be tested reliably but it's always been something I've wondered
proven carbon
even if i have a free ambush proc?
limber lion
Yes
proven carbon
it always feels bad to wait on the free ambush since im not spending energy
arctic socket
runic hinge
It would be 1 stack
limber lion
more chance to proc amp poison?
you do that with your basic attacks
by pooling
at 4cp
arctic socket
Any rogues here with hero track Nicholas want to come run fall with me? I will pay you 50k per run
If the wep drops you trade me tho 
cerulean nest
Any rogues here with hero track Nicholas want to come run fall with me? I will p...
I'll do it tonight lol
arctic socket
That’s one
arctic socket
What tf is a fursona
cerulean nest
What tf is a fursona
convincing misdirection
arctic socket
to be honest i'd come for the gold even if i need it
I have spent 450k so far on runs no luck so far
subtle tundra
i've done almost 70 and only 1
subtle tundra
where?!?
blazing jewel
talking about fursonas
arctic socket
harsh anchor
blazing jewel
arctic socket
What actually is a fursona
polar bridge
anyone know how the sim treats branch? does it assume optimal usage with spacing out the orbs or what
subtle tundra
nope
sullen quest
Any rogues here with hero track Nicholas want to come run fall with me? I will p...
eu?
harsh anchor
My results came back, I am a feline.
blazing jewel
arctic socket
echo junco
Any rogues here with hero track Nicholas want to come run fall with me? I will p...
Ill join, got double nicho. EU?
arctic socket
Ill join, got double nicho. EU?
Na
echo junco
Damn
cursive marsh
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
arctic socket
Damn it got quiet in here
cloud goblet
I'm still tryna figure out what track hero Nicholas is
Lmfao
I like looking at xmog stuff
keen spruce
I'm still tryna figure out what track hero Nicholas is
"nick of time"
the dagger from dawn of the infinites
cloud goblet
🙏 thanks
runic hinge
"nick of time"
Nichole fulltime*
cloud goblet
This is the first time I've heard of dawn of the infinites
I'm out of the loop on this game 😮💨
wide ferry
@arctic socket ill run it i got 2
wide ferry
i already got 2 brotha, tryina help this dude out
spice spire
Oh
arctic socket
He’s meaning
wide ferry
im almost all bis, just gotta get to 489 i think im 484.
wide ferry
i got my second 2 runs after my first i almost shit on the floor
spice spire
But also yeah TO is poop.
arctic socket
Every day he threatens to filter me
spice spire
Man sped run it
spice spire
Every day he threatens to filter me
Nah I threaten to hit the filter
wide ferry
If we get a good tank and an aug well burn through em
spice spire
arctic socket
arctic socket
<a:hypergrab:965830301093888042>
🦐
runic hinge
That’s on gang
arctic socket
Mhm
spice spire
arctic socket
You don’t expose armor in vanilla
fleet pagoda
fleet pagoda
is that bfd raid fun tho?
arctic socket
Faerie fire
arctic socket
is that bfd raid fun tho?
You complete it in 30ish minutes
Then go afk for three days
spice spire
Bro
arctic socket
Repeat
spice spire
Nah
spice spire
Also nice name too bad ur parse lost to the hunter
arctic socket
Wait
That’s the wrong log
There we go
I’m not actually playing rogue in sod
Btw
I’m the mage
slate crown
everyone asking how to get good parses, is their shiv too late, are they using tea to early rupture this envenom that
but the real tech
runic hinge
I was gonna do this my next raid
arctic socket
It’s op
runic hinge
Don’t leak my strats
arctic socket
Af
I didn’t use it o nyk mage
I don’t know how to parse as mage
Too low mana pool
spice spire
Gabagool class
arctic socket
I cast Then oom
spice spire
Me fr
past forum
something weird has been happening in dungeons today
i finally decided to stop holding cooldowns, and it feels like i'm casting them more now? and they're doing more damage?
how do explain?
runic hinge
Stealthi and shmeeps said to just always send and never hold and that’s how you do big dam so I try and stick to that
past forum
but in all seriousness, like i've always known it was true but it just feels wrong to send deathmark on something that'll die 5s in. but as i'm doing slightly higher keys that happens less and also it just makes the dungeon go faster
also i'd always thought "save deathmark for boss, you gotta mr prio man!" but then i realized that having it come up mid fight as okay, especially if you net some free zoldyk value
runic hinge
I’ve decided since its raging week and I wanna be extra lazy imma play the ap blindside build with internal bleeding and only do 18’s this week
limber lion
hell no man this is the free-est week ever
If you were to do higher keys, this would be the week
Literally free affixes
runic hinge
Plenty of time left to push. And this week is free but everyone is still on vacation so no push for me
past forum
"i can feel different levels of haste for ass" thats cap cause i didnt even just realize that afflicted went off just now
blazing jewel
@spice spire 
slim hamlet
"i can feel different levels of haste for ass" thats cap cause i didnt even just...
I doubt anyone is talking about aoe
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> <:PantsGrab:1085754534925717625>
I might
icy acorn
also i'd always thought "save deathmark for boss, you gotta mr prio man!" but th...
as long as youre not missing a cast of Dm it doesnt matter when you cast it tbh
another brother enlightened
pine dew
Quick Question if i have 2 charges of tea left do i still pool or can i dump energy?
vestal cliff
!ui
balmy condor
the rest you send
vestal cliff
/ui
pine dew
merci Senior!
balmy condor
!wa
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
vestal cliff
ah yes ty
past forum
<@382290692149608475> <:Prayge:862923081098330112> another brother enlightened
If no one got me, I know using cds on cd got me
spice spire
Amen
balmy condor
Amen
shy pecan
Amen
flat musk
Any loggers can take a look an tell me what I'm doing so wrong?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WQB4cZFTd63RyNKf#fight=36&type=damage-done&source=18
echo junco
do you use 2x tea during kingsblade?
junior yoke
spice spire
Workge Thread
daring comet
Does BM is rly higher PI target than SIN ? - according to bloodmallet it is
spice spire
Yes
echo junco
You can if it doesnt cap energy
if you have everything up on pull, you dont starve energy becasue of bl?
gray hazel
I havent noticed it
since you will have DM up
2 garr and 2 rup will give you lots of energy
sour oasis
Hello Guys
What do you prefer
everbloom trinket or Ashes trinket
i see lot of rogues play with Ashes on the last
storm forum
Ashes, cause everbloom wont drop for me
sour oasis
If u have the choice
storm forum
havent played with everbloom so i cant really say. others have said that ashes is better on some fights due to movement constraints, even if everbloom trinket is better.
also the minus haste sucks ass in dungeons, i play mirror in M+ but I think I would prefer the branch over both
thorn fjord
I have a 483 branch and ashes and I run ash
It’s a .4 dps loss
For me
Qol things
So I run 489 sand glass and 483 ash
balmy condor
do you use 2x tea during kingsblade?
no, never.
normal mist
Question about weapon enchants: does it matter where the enchant is? My MH is simming higher with wafting (hero track timestrike), but i also use it for my outlaw m+ gear, would it be any dif if i just slap wafting on the offhand (that i wont use in OL gear) and call it a day?
past forum
thats what i do but that certainly doesnt mean its right. sophic and wafting simmed close enough for me where it was worth it since i dont have an extra OH to enchant
normal mist
Yeah i got 2 nicks, and using the better one as an OH for OL
balmy condor
Question about weapon enchants: does it matter where the enchant is? My MH is si...
doesn't matter at all, raidbots just has to hit one
normal mist
Many thanks Whispyr-sama
balmy condor
np
normal mist
(tbf i just noticed the dif is like 8 dps, not actually worth it spending 5/6k for that)
balmy condor
well yeh
that's cause it doesn't matter
margin of error
it's not actually 8 dps
its just small enough to the point where it doesn't know better
normal mist
Margin of 101 dps +/-, still, not worth the gold for such a margin, im fine like i am rn, many thanks again xD
drifting cedar
can anyone help me figure out what im doing wrong on my rogue?
Whispyr made an excellent video on how. To review logs on ur own, check it out
storm forum
can anyone help me figure out what im doing wrong on my rogue?
a quick glance says your dances are kind of psycho (you dont snapshot some of your KBs with it, including the opener), and you have some wasted ambush casts (over cap on CP).
If you have trouble remembering when to KB/Dance, make a macro with both. It works for 100% of single target/raid purposes. With ambush, it's okay to finish on 4 CP. If you do that you'll never overcap on ambush CP.
spice spire
Dance windows were definitely biggest areas
dark token
I like to take sophic when it's within margin of error of wafting
Cause it's better on aoe and for sub multispeccing
quiet oar
I like to take sophic when it's within margin of error of wafting
Fuck devotion enchant
I hope tww has better enchants
orchid flume
does anyone have the branch macro pwease OwO
sweet shore
You know we only put it in the power bottom spot
orchid flume
thank you whispyr sama
orchid flume
You know we only put it in the power bottom spot
This is the way
brazen zodiac
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
deft peak
what are the chances that sin gets the bat again
raven egret
hopefully 0 - we're great PI targets still but not top of the charts, unless they know something we dont about Sin performance, which is always possible mind you, I dont see Sin being nerfed again
hexed willow
what are the chances that sin gets the bat again
Sin is in the middle now, doubt it gets nerfed again
raven egret
It really does feel bad right now if we don't get PI in raids, doesnt it 😦 I mean I get everyone will feel differently about that on their own but still
dark token
the last nerf was clearly balancing around PI
raven egret
at least we're still perfectly viable and performing, so I will likely not be asked to change spec for Smoldy (I hope lol)
dark token
u will
raven egret
we start Smold progression tonight, looking forward to that
dark token
sub slams smold
so hard
especially post sin nerf
its kinda a grief
u can stay sin fyrakk
raven egret
yeah but I absolutely god damn hate playing with Dust, I hate everything about it, so as long as I dont have to play it, I will persist
vocal crescent
is it worth going sub while still using toxic boots+patch?
raven egret
embellishments are relatively minor now, it wont make or break Sub to use that combo
vocal crescent
fair enough
would anyone be willing to look at some logs of mine and give tips what I'm doing wrong/ could improve?
mossy spruce
in sod does nature damage affect poisons or deadly brew?
cerulean nest
Any rogues here with hero track Nicholas want to come run fall with me? I will p...
sup
balmy condor
in sod does nature damage affect poisons or deadly brew?
#classic-discussion or different discord, we're heavily focused on retail
leaden silo
what exactly does timestrike do on nick of time dagger? what does it scale with, how does it work, what percentage dmg does it do?
and how often does it proc
eternal nymph
what exactly does timestrike do on nick of time dagger? what does it scale with,...
10% chance to replicate 10% of your damage
Doesn't scale with anything
leaden silo
it says +315 on each sword. so if you have both thats a 10% chance?
eternal nymph
it says +315 on each sword. so if you have both thats a 10% chance?
One is 10% to replicate 10%
2 is 20% for 10% or 10 for 20, idk
Or mby even 20 for 20
leaden silo
so would that be better than cruel dreamcarver and betrayers cinderblade?
eternal nymph
so would that be better than cruel dreamcarver and betrayers cinderblade?
Offhand always. Mainhand a 489 beats a 483 nick
spice surge
2 is 20% for 10% or 10 for 20, idk
Or mby even 20 for 20
Its 10% to replicate 10% of your damage as seperate debuffs
real stirrup
I can't even get into any 23+ keys
eternal nymph
Play your own. Or get that io up and spam apply ig
royal lantern
tbf, 23 is allready reaching the normal pug ceeling
eternal nymph
Not this season. You'll meet plenty of monkeys but you can still time it with them.
slate crown
in sod does nature damage affect poisons or deadly brew?
(But the answer is no, poisons don't scale off any + spell damage effects in sod, they scale off AP now with deadly brew)
Ok
what shit is this new search for discord mobile?
and does it suck for everyone else?
Like typing simple phrases nets 0 results and I search on my computer and it gives me hundreds of results
eternal nymph
Always been the case for me on mobile discord, no matter the version.
It just sucks.
slate crown
I feel like it was hard to use before but it at least worked, like it returned results, now it just sucks to use and doesn't work
severe condor
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royal lantern
I feel like it was hard to use before but it at least *worked*, like it returned...
welcome to discord mobile
every 2-4months an update that makes it worse and worse
slate crown
D: D:
sweet ridge
is deathmark cast then bleeds are cast
or bleeds then deathmark
i dont know why im just parsing like a turd
slate crown
is deathmark cast then bleeds are cast
Does not matter, deathmark replicates bleeds that currently exist or are applied after
sweet ridge
and my kings bane is hitting 50% of similar rogues
im 2nd
i dont know what im doing
slate crown
!guide That said, you should review the standard opener sequence, it's pretty structured and doesn't change much
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slate crown
Follow that sequence on the opener guide for KB ramp damage
slate crown
It benefits from bleeds through A) the energy those bleeds give you to cast other abilities, and B) through the Lethal Dose talent
slate crown
Correct
sweet ridge
amp and deadly
slate crown
Correct
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wtr1h9nbmCRKjZzA#fight=last&type=damage-don...
You’re not vanishing the final 3s of vanish and you let your branch fall off by the final tick
So all around kb window was super bad
sweet ridge
ok so branch play is really that important
and i cant vanish every KB
its 2 mins isnt it?
slate crown
Your opening sequence is a bit of a mess
snow hamlet
Does 2pc bug be fixed?
slate crown
Like I said, there's a breakdown of step by step what it should be on wowhead, I would start there, rather than us pick apart each global that is off first
slate crown
Does 2pc bug be fixed?
yes
sweet ridge
i thought i was bang on with oepner
slate crown
Does 2pc bug be fixed?
(if you mean the "randomly drops after capping" bug from end of PTR, yes that was fixed)
I mean
slate crown
i thought i was bang on with oepner
You linked a log above, you can look at the opener there. Yaneh's opener (the first log you linked) is pretty good. Not perfect, vanish was 0.5sec too early but otherwise was fine.
Your log (the second link), if I go to your volc kill, looks completely different.
snow hamlet
(if you mean the "randomly drops after capping" bug from end of PTR, yes that wa...
No I mean 2pc buff will decrease like 2-3% autoattack and bleed damage
slate crown
oh I didn't know that was a bug that existed, is this recent?
glad tundra
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9thY84DMRZCjb3n2#fight=5&type=damage-done can someone take a look at th is log and let me know how what i can work on.
snow hamlet
I heard someone mention it about a week or two ago
lucid scroll
@glad tundra you miss thistle tea timing, shiv timing (non existant for the most important part of your kb) and vanished early in ur kb dm opener
sweet ridge
whats the most important part
i thought you pre shiv
and then once again during KB\
misty holly
The shiv at the end is more important than the one at the beginning
bc kingsbane damage ramps up as it ticks
sweet ridge
Guide just says shiv when expires
So is it no shiv KB shiv on expire
of first shiv
lucid scroll
no, 2 shivs for ur opener
2nd one is roughly halfway through yea, needs to be up for the last tick of kb
misty holly
If you time it right, shiv should cover the whole duration - but if you mess up the timing then make sure you have shiv at the end, dont worry about the beginning as much
sweet ridge
right at the end?
lucid scroll
ill link a good weakaura for tracking ur timings in kb
keen spruce
shiv-kb-stuff-shiv when first shiv falls off-stuff
sweet ridge
or half way through i thought i want the buff 100% uptime on KB
keen spruce
this should be every single kb
misty holly
right at the end?
within 7 seconds of KB expiring.
lucid scroll
sweet ridge
vanish at 3
lucid scroll
Has vanish timing, shiv timing and tea timing
sweet ridge
ty
lucid scroll
i believe if you have ashes it also has that built in
timber pawn
Is anyone having luck with the bone spike build, is it really comparable to dance
dark token
no one is using it
lucid scroll
also @glad tundra your priest is PI-ing the affy lock, you get more value from PI so maybe consider asking ur RL or the priest for PI over him
glad tundra
also <@711401530011549698> your priest is PI-ing the affy lock, you get more val...
Im aware of that.... our lock is bone headed sometimes
lucid scroll
its quite a significant jump, 30% increase over affy so worth mentioning
sweet ridge
According to the WA im not supposed to be in a shadow dance the whole time KB is up?
lucid scroll
yea, but if the Bm hasnt mentioned it then take it for urself
lucid scroll
According to the WA im not supposed to be in a shadow dance the whole time KB is...
you dance before KB
sweet ridge
Thats what i thought
storm monolith
there has to be a faster way to level
storm monolith
dps queues being 8 minutes is actually a crime
shy pecan
i should just hold even if i overcap?
You could if you know you’ll have two charges up for KB when you use them so you don’t waste another charge
sweet ridge
a big dps loss if i dont get those 2 extra shivs in?
because im doing something horribly wrong im sure of it. 50% or so overall like 20% or less in ilvl
slate crown
shiv isnt used outside of KB right
Shiv does not cap in single target
slate crown
According to the WA im not supposed to be in a shadow dance the whole time KB is...
Please open the aura and read the custom options page. The Dance tick is when dance ends, not when you cast dance
lucid scroll
a big dps loss if i dont get those 2 extra shivs in?
Are you asking about the KB window?
shy pecan
You want to save shiv for KB. They line up very well
sweet ridge
@lucid scroll no shivs outside of KB window
violet sonnet
is wafting vs sophic devo a big difference?
orchid flume
Basically just pool while you wait for burst window and keep up dots
lucid scroll
<@156399251570688000> no shivs outside of KB window
this is shiv timing
(matches ur kb windows)
violet sonnet
quickly
lucid scroll
that timing looks pretty good
yeah its r1 gnarlmythic, probably delayed a few secs for dmage amp on 3rd kb
sweet ridge
in a KB window. Do I want to prioritize 4 combo pound plus envenoms
Over everything ?
Can’t remember the combo point bleed. Brain lag.
Rupture.
If I’m in KB and rupture is about to fall. Do I spend combo points on it or envenom
slate crown
You keep rupture up
limber lion
well
potent forge
currently on smoldy and trying to decide if the dreamcarver mechanical or 2% stam is better
limber lion
Rupture has a very long pandemic
You can easily fit in an Envenom, a Rupture and an Envenom after that
to both maintain the Envenom chain without dropping it and Rupture without dropping it
woeful meteor
!dagger
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limber lion
You don't need to Rupture the same second it enters in pandemic
it just gives you leeway to do it whenever it's opportunistic to do so
sweet ridge
Ok envenom chain. Does that mean I can’t let envenom fall off at all
And just renew it at 1 sec.
limber lion
Outside of KB you aim to do that as much as possible, but sometimes you have to let it reset
!pool
!pooling
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Read About Pooling
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TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
sweet ridge
Ok
woeful meteor
thanks, guess I think im looking for opinions for prog
I'm playing mech, but rly doesnt matter
misty holly
And outside of kb
Do your best, you will have to let it fall off from time to time.
woeful meteor
you can only die on that fight to soaking waves and not dodging in intermission
so the extra "cheat death" can probably save you from one more wave
potent forge
thats fair, good point, ty
sweet ridge
Is the non dance version of the build really far behind
woeful meteor
yes
sweet ridge
Fuck assassination must be the arcane spec of mages
It’s really punishing to miss windows.
sweet ridge
Fair enough. I just lump it into one.
woeful meteor
and a no KB build is even more dead
misty holly
Splitting Kingbane and DTB was a mistake
just made kingbane mandatory even moreso than DTB was before
and they had to nerf dtb for that to even happen
so now kingsbane stands alone
dark token
Splitting Kingbane and DTB was a mistake
Nah I like it
woeful meteor
DM is just such a boring cd on it's own that the spec needs some extra button to keep it interesting, last season sepsis now KB
dark token
Beat sin playstyle in 3 years
vast loom
im having way more fun playing KB than playing only DTB
dark token
DM is just such a boring cd on it's own that the spec needs some extra button to...
Better than vendetta 
Imo if they ever remove kb they need to make caustic proc off bleeds as well
woeful meteor
Sofo Vendetta Goat Spec
dark token
I really like how caustic and kb solved sins single target 2 min CD problem
Legit best iteration of the spec ever atm
Ive still got some minor gripes but they are extremely minor
Just wish balancing was slightly higher on sin in m+ specifically
Some CT, sudden demise, and scent buffs would be good
People untalenting from them when they really shouldnt
runic hinge
Legit best iteration of the spec ever atm
Agreed
main solar
I wouldn't say that's because they're undertuned/need buffs. Things just don't really live long enough. Partially how there's so many packs with low hp mobs, or how long our set up/ramp is. When some builds are much easier to play/manage/set up for not too much loss of damage, people are just going to play that most of the time. Small gain just isn't worth all the work.
shy pecan
There’s ways to play around that. Whispyr covered them in one of his AoE guides
main solar
yeah, but that's not exactly mindless compared to what a lot of other specs get
shy pecan
Sometimes, just gotta say “screw the ramp” and fire KB and go with it
woeful meteor
it's a dot spec
it should have a ramp up
and if you say shadowcrash rn you are delusional
main solar
and some of those adjustments are talent changes, which was what was said
like dropping CT
shadowcrash is way too much, I wouldn't like that lol
woeful meteor
good
main solar
I kinda like having to dot everything up, especially rupture
just wish it actually had some value
other than scent
dark token
like dropping CT
Dont
misty holly
I dunno, I don't really have fun maximizing KB.
I played sin all these years because it didnt have a complicated minigame to do every minute
so now I have to do this thing thats not that fun every minute to play the spec
so rework is a failure to me in that regard
past forum
it would be cool if kb was just an option, for ppl who dont like it. but if i had to pick between it being auto-lock vs being unusable i'm takin the former every time
main solar
I agree with KB. Feels like the entire spec is just kingsbane at this point and there's no wiggle room on that. There's a lot of other changes that were good, but kingsbane just overpowers everything else
runic hinge
I thought the spec revolves around shiv. You press shiv twice but kb only once??
past forum
holy fuck that's so true
runic hinge
You care about it like..twice as much
If my math is correct
I need a shiv flair
Snd is old hat
main solar
and then deathmark gets used even half as often as that
runic hinge
Dm makes me upset, the two weeks I pvp at the end of the season, when it gets cleansed, and for that reason it’s no longer my bff
main solar
Yeah... seems ridiculous how easy our big CD can just be removed. Haven't pvped too much this season, but I haven't really liked the changes in that regard so far.
runic hinge
I’ve gotten 1800 both seasons in DF for the appearance but it does get annoying
spice spire
Don’t make me say it
main solar
Yeah there's another channel for that. I got my gripes with pvp too, but that's not for here.
runic hinge
Don’t make me say it
I dare you
raven egret
I just came back, what are we saying
spice spire
Yeah there's another channel for that. I got my gripes with pvp too, but that's ...
That isn’t it
Frankly I’m just reading one thing
runic hinge
How dare you
past forum
nothing will ever be as skillful as shadowlands s3 ass pvp
shy pecan
Damn, another thing quake and I agree on. World probably ending soon
past forum
where you pressed sepsis shiv vendetta and just afk while your opponent dies instantly
cinder geode
how do you guys pug keys ? nobody applies to my keys and i cant get accepted to 23s at 484 3k io lol
ive been twiddling my thumbs in valdrakken for 2 days now lol
spice spire
23s I’ve never been able to pug
Usually 22s cap the pugging adventures for me, never really delved beyond tho
shy pecan
If you can’t find anything, might just have to run your own key or find some friends to run keys with
runic hinge
Usually 22s cap the pugging adventures for me, never really delved beyond tho
Delves aren’t until the new expansion bozo
spice spire
Delves aren’t until the new expansion bozo
Mf mad because I said krill issue
main solar
They're doable, but you'll probably spend a long time looking for groups since too many people won't deviate from the "god comp" specs.
runic hinge
Mf mad because I said krill issue
spice spire
river cipher
I keep that thang on me
river cipher
ive been twiddling my thumbs in valdrakken for 2 days now lol
Try 3 weeks
violet sonnet
what build are ppl running for Doti
forest notch
is @slate crown around? Im really curious how to read this Mainly the numbers in the brackets
slate crown
Damage dealt during kingsbane (not damage by kingsbane alone, it's all damage done during the window)
Number = Number of unique targets hit
Which is intended to give you context if you are cleaving
forest notch
ahhhh ok cool
thanks
Ya just was confused about the brackets
and is the order bottom to top or top to bottom
slate crown
Top is most recent, bottom is oldest
But
Can look at the dynamic group for the Grow setting
and you can flip it if you want
forest notch
kk
elfin valley
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kindred crescent
who here prefers the cleve build or the hybrid build this wek?
elfin valley
@slate crown is that KB one in ur group bc i didnt see it in the one off one
raven egret
who here prefers the cleve build or the hybrid build this wek?
I prefer the cleave build all the time
slate crown
The one from Archer’s question?
kindred crescent
I prefer the cleave build all the time
I was going to try it out this week!
elfin valley
yeah
i just happed to see the discord and hadnt ever seen a WA for that and thought that seemed really neat
slate crown
yeah
Should be called Damage Windows, and it is standalone in my profile
It’s also in my Group pack
slate crown
Supports dance for sub and Kb for sin
kindred crescent
I prefer the cleave build all the time
could you link me your build?
slate crown
Nothing for outlaw because I didn’t know of a window for them given their flat profile but maybe something for crack shot window could be fine, never dug into it further
raven egret
could you link me your build?
its the cleave build, same as the one posted on wowhead, minus whatever utility changes I make sometimes
kindred crescent
okay cool thank you!@
raven egret
just keep in mind its not the best build for every situation, I just personally like it for the content level I usually do all the time
sigh imma have to get sub ready for Smolderon prog most likely... 😦
radiant shadow
!pooling
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Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
tame sand
!up
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winter gale
Guys, with these nerfs sub overtook us as desired spec in raids?
It's not important for me, just enq as I saw some assa rogues I know went sub these last couple of weeks*
Or is it that sub gets better with gear?
Also, if I have 4+CP and all bleeds are up, do I envenom as soon as I can or do I wait for envenom buff to almost run out before I press another?
sweet dawn
On fights with no exploitable damage phases we'll be overtaken by a lot of the other better specs
raven flower
Shouldn't KB be decent on smolderon?
sweet dawn
Yeah but afaik sub can get like full CDs every damage phase
Whereas we get KB in 1 and DM+KB in the next
If it's in the damage phase at all
small garnet
is <@228712200385200130> around? Im really curious how to read this Mainly the ...
what weakaura is this
crisp pine
Just post it, one of the gigabrains here won't be able to resist looking at some data
Go for it
lucid scroll
ur opener is really really incorrect
blissful forge
so the channel doesnt get floated by msg for your log review
lucid scroll
would recommend you read the wowhead guide, your opener is all over the place
some things to instantly fix for you though, 5p envenom before dm/kb window, have slice up before kb/dm window because ur doing it mid kb atm and use your thistle teas in ur kb windows (ur randomly using tea atm)
dusty zenith
fringe lily
but 5.6m vs 8.5m seemed a bit wild for 10ilvls
spice spire
It’s not updated tho
low quartz
does nick of time even drop - plz confirm, Im losing my sanity here
spice spire
Don’t let them gaslight you it’s never existed
arctic cloud
spice surge
Its actually not an astronomically low chance of getting it in vault
echo junco
Its actually not an astronomically low chance of getting it in vault
spotted the 489 leech guy 😄
spice surge
Assuming theres no extra hidden weighting to the vault rng (might be for tier, but not sure) it should be a higher chance of seeing it in vault than from a run
echo junco
I got both my nick upgraded from champion farming the trinket, got the trinket on the 40th run or so
spice surge
Obviously you can spam runs and you cant spam vault
spice surge
spotted the 489 leech guy 😄
No mine doesnt have leech 
spice spire
Speed?
spice spire
True and real
wild condor
So Sub is now the go to spec for raid? And I guess outlaw for M+? Feels bad man, not to mention if we don’t have PI or Aug buff then yeah we fall behind
pure sail
Bring the player not the spec
split cipher
Play what's fun for you unless you're in a guild that forces the "meta"
gaunt sigil
Ok my guild just did the first few pulls of mythic Tindral last night, there is no way you can run branch and keep your sanity is there?
desert inlet
gaunt sigil
Didn’t think so
Thank god I have like 6 different rings and 2 necks so I can have an Ashes gear set and a Branch gear set 
echo junco
So Sub is now the go to spec for raid? And I guess outlaw for M+? Feels bad man,...
how much better is outlaw for m+?
wild condor
how much better is outlaw for m+?
It’s played at the highest key levels plus I believe that Outlaw is more suited for M+ because of the Overall damage, yeah Sin is a huge one mob nuke to priority mobs but after that you would have to spend dots or just do Spatter off the one mobs
Plus Sin is very dependent on Stealth, manly to spread Garrote and Rupture which let’s just spam Fan without worrying about energy that much
spice spire
Ok my guild just did the first few pulls of mythic Tindral last night, there is ...
Only if your name is eleem
That mf built diff tho
echo junco
our spec would be so fun if they buffed singletarget dmg in tempest/bleed build
wild condor
Yeah it would be so much fun, it’s sucks that in pugs everyone just focuses on Overall Damage, where there has been moments I been asked where is my damage lol like bruh the add died too fast and KB was half way there
I have had also many times where I nuke the big problem add that would have wiped our party and not to mention being able to silence all mobs at the beginning is so useful
modest glen
So true
And ignore the ppl padding overall on smallies that dies in 10 sec instead of prio targets
ionic arrow
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fickle viper
Ok my guild just did the first few pulls of mythic Tindral last night, there is ...
on pull you might be able to pre use it at a smart spot and collect them weirdly, but besidse on pull you can get good value out of it
2nd use is on shield, boss is static, nothing is happening
3rd use also
4th might be a bit sketchy
drifting cloud
Since the timing is a few seconds later
nah you can bind it to kb 
spice spire
Pretty sure that’s a loss innit
drifting cloud
it was before the kb nerf iirc, its as close to neutral now as it gets I believe
spice spire
Maybe for you, but I’m different
drifting cloud
might be like 0.1% loss or something
gaunt moat
Pretty sure that’s a loss innit
that 50 dps gonna be a real diffrence in the fight 
gaunt moat
FOR YOUR INFORMATION
I DON'T WIPE AT 0.01%
I wipe at 80% 😌
gaunt moat
I was under the impression we're talking wiping on raid bosses. you tricked me.
spice spire
gaunt moat
I made a huge mistake.
I met with friends.
now i'm sick.
Let this be a lesson to you. never meet with any other organism.
echo junco
just had a chance at +25 EB and overtime with 20 sec
spice spire
Let this be a lesson to you. never meet with any other organism.
Real
royal lantern
I made a huge mistake.
I met with friends.
i meet with a friend and got the best plush ever
checkmate
gaunt moat
proof?
strange python
I've played outlaw rogue a bit, how is assassination in comparison?
sweet ridge
Painful
strange python
is assassination harder? o-o
thorn fjord
No
strange python
is it worth learning for a new player?
sweet ridge
Im struggling with my timings lol
strange python
I kinda want something medium-ish in difficulty
thorn fjord
I kinda want something medium-ish in difficulty
Sub’s harder to play imo
thorn fjord
I run OL in dungeons personally
Most the guys here run sin
I raid sin
But I’m only running 22-24 keys so I’m not very competitive
strange python
I mean, I'd probably be running max +10 or something xD
thorn fjord
Oh then run outlaw.. if you’re geared shits gonna be dying too quick to enjoy sin
But you can pretty much play what you like.. try each out see what feels better on your hands
strange python
Oh then run outlaw.. if you’re geared shits gonna be dying too quick to enjoy si...
Im not geared tho 👀
or what do u mean?
thorn fjord
Like if you guys are blasting trash packs they aren’t going to live super long so your dmg won’t get much of a chance to ramp
strange python
But you can pretty much play what you like.. try each out see what feels better ...
I've tried outlaw a bit, feels a little overwhelming to keep track of everything xD
strange python
I'll try it out then, any weakaura or hud recommendation?
thorn fjord
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thorn fjord
Whispyrs edit is solid
strange python
is there one that could work for both outlaw and sin?
thorn fjord
You can get regular afenar or lux
strange python
You can get regular afenar or lux
afenar is the first one?
thorn fjord
That’s whispyrs edit of Afenars class wa
You can just search afenar at wago.io if you want the general one with all 3 specs
strange python
sounds good! thank you
dark token
@strange python are you fuu's cousin
strange python
uhh no Idk who that is
marble bear
so im an outlaw and i swapped to sin for raid today for funsies and even with my literal lack of mastery on my gear i killed it in single target which kinda just made me depressed
XD
so that was fun
wide ferry
tried dh and fuckin hated it, right back to sin 😎
woeful cipher
is 489 ashes really 5k behind a 483 branch? seems crazy with how many top logs are running ashes
thorn fjord
is 489 ashes really 5k behind a 483 branch? seems crazy with how many top logs a...
Depends on your load out I’m guessing… 489 ashes sims higher for me than a 483 branch
woeful cipher
i guess because im already haste heavy
i really want to play ashes on tindral so i have one less thing to worry about cause i still dont have the branch movement down
thorn fjord
483 branch is only behind my 483 ash by like .4-.5%
bright turret
You'd have to have some funky stat distribution or doing something weird with sim for it to be 5k behind
thorn fjord
So at most I’m missing out on like 500-700 dps
